King-Song S18 REVISIT 2021
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2021
- We revisit the batch 1 King-Song S18 in 2021! How does it hold up? Did I oversee anything? Let’s see how it performs compared to INMOTION V11 and Begode wheels!
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Tomorrow I will open up a batch2 S18 if you’re curious about it.
That’ll be awesome!
Would be nice to know but a lil voice deep down says he doesn't want to know. 1st owner & all. Honestly though, I'd be surprised if you can feel any difference riding (or at least thats what the voice wants you to say😇)
Sorry moved date back to Monday
I am curious!
Wait, so someone did a battery mod on the S18 to increase it? WHERE? :)
WOWWW that opening stairs scene is amazing!!!
Thanks for the revisit! I think the S18 is a solid wheel for its intended purpose. It is great to see the innovations.
I’m happy to see you revisit this because I feel like many of the early S18 reviews were unjustified in their criticism. I’ve had mine since August and it’s been a flawless machine. I’m not a speed freak, so 30mph is more than enough for me to get around Minneapolis. Absolutely love it.
Very nice follow-up Adam. I'm right with you 👍 I finally pulled the trigger and bought my personal copy - for mountain trail riding.
I had the problem with the jumping handle at my first ride. I mounted small velcro with sticky tape underneath. You need to grab a bit harder to pull it out, but it will not jump by itself. No more issues on 2000 km.
I wish everybody safe and fun rides.
It's really nice to see you revisiting the wheels 🥰
some truely amazing stunts!! Thanks for the amazing content, dont get hurt!!😋
Awesome video Adam! Great skills :D
I’m glad you revisited this wheel, feel it got a bit of a brutal initial review against the v11
great video and skillz on those stairs at the start
Wrong way ...saying he was wrong...I loved that kingsong video one of your best in my opinion..especially with the laughing Mexican..
Nicely done. Great revisit. I am happy to hear positive feedback from you. I am waiting for your review of the 2021 batch.
Hi Adam, you know what they say, it takes a big man... I'm glad you took another look at the S18. I got mine in a batch from December, and it's been perfect. I love this wheel. My knees and back thank me every time I ride it.
Hi sir, how's it been with your s18? Any issues? Looking to get my first and s18 is on my lost
@@Cons2911 hi, I had the S18 for one year and put 2500 miles on it. It is a beautiful riding wheel. However, I would only get 40 to 45 miles range out of it and that is at 0% battery remaining so if you want a longer-range suspension wheel, the Hero is the best suspension wheel that's widely available right now, but the Master should be even better.
@@mikeintampa250 40m is plenty for me for likely a good while. Still torn between the 2 that's why I'm asking for feedbacks. And I also don't want them to be too heavy. I'm only seeing like 3 brands here in my area, KS, inmotion and that brand with tesla
@@Cons2911 I would definitely choose the S18 over the inmotion v11. I don't believe Tesla makes an euc. V11 has a pogo stick effect I just don't like the feel of it
@@mikeintampa250 no sorry, I meant begode (they have a tesla model, v3)
Yeah, and I'm seeing post about issues on the latest batch of v11. And s18 is cheaper, I'm already stretching it with the s18 and have to get some safety gears to.
I was only aiming for 16s lol this this is almost 2x as much
Thanks for this review!
Nice review, thanks for sharing.
So glad you've upgraded the opening 🤣 slick! 👌
I really hated the old intro!
Initial manufacturing issues aside, the only reason I have not purchased the S18 is range, even though I have not ridden the S18 the design tells me it is a better suspension design. Hoping they will add more batteries 1800 WH would be acceptable in my mind.
P.E.V.K.W commented on your Instagram and a day or so later bam, there's your re-review. Good timing!
Awesome redux review Adam! I agree with most of your quips on the less than stellar aspects of the S18 but man, everytime I climb on it, I turn into a super hero!!! I haven't done the rocky gnarly trails shown on your vid (yet) but I've come close. I've done jumps & stuff that I'd wouldn't even think of on any other wheel. Its now turned into my fav wheel of the stable so much so I've ordered a Duro HF307 (very similar the Sherm's) for it. It should arrive next month so I'll have it mounted for spring. Hopefully with no issues but thats what the Dremel & angle grinder are for🤪
PS: lov lovvvvv your intro where you rode the stone railing with the stairs on 1 side & a 20' drop on the other. Ballz I fully admit I don't have! & I had felt a heart murmur when you almost lost the V11 coming down on said stairs. It certainly won't be pretty if if the V11 took a tumble.
Best review ever
I think the S18 is a great wheel for on-road riding, easy on bumps, my joints, etc. coming from a 14D. That's the main reason I got it. 14 miles on it today. Love your content!
Hi sir, how is the s18 so far? Thanks in advance looking to get one
@@Cons2911 Great wheel. Even if you get one now.... For me, I use it to practice new stuff, like riding backwards and teaching my wife to ride.
Nice of you to redo this review to give the S18 a fairer score, thank you!
I had the privilege to try both S18 and V11 recently, and I much preferred the feel of the S18. It rides like other wheels, just smoother. The V11 was skyscraper-high, and felt tipsy on top, jiggling between my legs. A bit like the V10F. Didn't like it that much.
I was also wondering why you revisited the V10F recently, with a few videos. What was the reason for that?
Great 👍 vid! Love Bułgaria ! Country full of overheat hills !
If Kingsong were to have the extendable battery... they likely gain alot of momentum this 2021!
100%
Well took you time but like evx you opened your mind :)
Whatever any news on bigger battery s19? S18 v2? Somhing new to 2021(end)/2022.
I am about to buy a new wheel, I want to do forest and bike trails but also commute with the s18 but it's 50km a day so I really wish it had a bigger battery. Still, I can't convince myself to buy a Sherman, monster pro or Nikola for that commuting... I just can't I want suspension. Don't consider breaking my bones over an EXN that would burn it's mb on me so... Can't decide. What do you think? If you could only have one wheel, what would you do? (although I could buy a nikola+a s18, but I don't want 5o be using 2 wheels...)
Nice review G. You ever try a Onewheel?
The suspension design has a lot going for it. They seem to have spent most of their effort there. The side panels that feature tuck ins for your legs and feet is a nice touch. As a concept, I think the S18 beats the V11 hands down. However, if we get a S18-V2, that should reflect experience in the field and further refinement. As a manufacturer, King Song needed to find market acceptance before they bet the company on further research and development. I don't consider this design to be a tepid effort to test the idea of suspension wheels. The fact that we are nit picking things other than the suspension indicates that their first shot at this hit the target, not a bullseye yet, but when you are on the target, you now have a good idea of the corrections that need to be made.
Can you make a episode talking about cut-off? You drove so many wheels, did you have any-issue with cut-off if you did not "tweak" wheel? What I mean, you left "beep" warning or tilt-back? Did any of your wheels cut-out during regular use?
Hey wrong way. I recently bought an e scooter. I ordered a Bluetooth helmet and was thinking about more safety gear. Where did you buy your protective gear on your legs? And do they help protect skin on legs if you/ I have a fall?
F’in Awesomeness!!!!!! Adam! EUC observed trials! I just bought a new one from eWheels, here in USA. They’re the best here! Peace...Aria
Umm... so is this with the new batteries? Or the version before? Do the moleci batteries keep it from beeping a lot going up hills? I would love how that version compares and to hear it from an experienced rider! Thanks a lot Adam for your reviews!
I think you're spot-on in your summary: if you're not a speed demon and don't need the range, the S18 is a REALLY fun wheel. It's light and agile for an 18" wheel and decently zippy at lower speeds.
Where is this filmed? I like the scenery.
hello, I am looking for an EUC that can handle a heavy person and also can last for long rides. What are your recommendations?
Solar R1 scooter is top of my hit list right now
I know this may not be as relevant, especially with the emegence of new wheels like the upcoming s16, but would you consider revisiting the molicel version of this wheel?
Did they fix the cut off problem? if not, it's allways going to be a no buy for me.
what is best psi for putting air in tire. i put too much air so its really hard for me. any reccomand?
This thing looks cool and scary at same time. Maybe because I remember trying to roller skate, many years ago and being like, NA. If I tried this, I’d have to wrap myself in a protective bubble. 😂
Whenever I turn left I get major pedal dip. Any thoughts?
what was that groan, with your head in your hands, at the end for?
Hey, I noticed you are still using a jbl clip
If you ever want to upgrade your sound system when on rides take a look at minirigs. They are bigger yes, but they can be attached to the rider just as easily.
And they go loud, like way louder than even a jbl boombox 2.
Even though they are expensive, they are worth every cent because of the performance you get. Their battery usually lasts me 2-4 days of regular use and can play for 7h at max volume.
I want to clarify, I'm not affiliated with them whatsoever, I'm just helping a fellow rider out
Cool! I’ll check them out :)
According to a seller on Aliexpress there are two versions. One with one valve and one with two valves at the suspension. Anyone knows the difference?
That last "safety feature" seems a little scary IMO
I guess dubstep never dies (c)
Man I'm happy to see this but I really need to see or know something about the improvements in the 2021 batches before buying...
I also contacted myewheel for some insight, waiting for an answer.
My batch is shipping mid March and I asked about improvements, King Song announced most changes are in quality control and production quality, they are pushing less for speed of production and more for proper tolerances and building process, though when I get mine I will compare how it was to the s18 I rode and evaluated from October batch
Hey does anyone know what helmet that is or where to get it the white one he is wearing
There are even some mods with 100cells in complete ;-) I know a guy in Germany having one! :-)
And btw: Nice you worked in the overpowering safety features! Good job!
I will contact one dude in Poland having it ;) definetely worth checking it out
@@mr_wrongway You mean LukLuk? His had 80cells...Mine has the 100cells...1850wh ;-)
Perhaps you need to visit Germany ;-)
@@ullle66 yeah that’s the one I mean! Oh dang it then maybe Indeed I need to go to Germany!
@@mr_wrongway if you ever are around the Rhein/Ruhr Area...you are welcome! I always have a spare wheel btw
@@ullle66 ok great to know! Thanks!
Uczyłem się na Z10-tce ale mi nie odpowiada bo wpada w wibracje i jest nieprzewidywalna. Czy zmiana na S18 będzie dobrym pomysłem?
King on Kingsong PS 0:12:50 - gooood
You definitely went wrong way when at first you panned this wheel!
small battery can have massive handling and traction advantage during to the EUC's stupidly insane unsprung weight (handling and weight are the words which EUC makes doesn't understand, sadly majority users too), not everyone is riding 100 kilometers range every day, by the way I don't think anyone is riding that much but they still want that "more is good" feeling, that works on money bro, not on weight.
It is but maybe with 80 18650 cells instead of 60 21700. It needs to be backed with safety margins
what is the knee protection you are wearing ? looks nice.
Leatt Dual Axis L/XL
@@mr_wrongway Thank you
how to get one in serbia ?
Please review after 10.000 KM? Sir
Masz wprawe w Monocyklach
your right knee guard wouldn't have helped if you stacked it on those stairs at the beginning
Here is my question... u seemed to really dislike the Ruroc but u always seem to wear it, why?
I will make a vid about it later this month :)
The S18 is the BMX of EUC’s super super fun just to stunt on and do tricks and jumps on
Sure needs more power speed and battery
But then it’d be fat and not fun
Kingsong do need a suspension engineer to redesign the linkage leverage ratio, but off road and jumping on and off things it’s my favourite wheel of all time, high speed carving, no..
As a beginner EUC... confused.. but fair review.... My first EUC needs to be GOOD
Define "GOOD" & maybe you'll get somewhere.
Are you going to revisit v11 or do you already have a firm opinion on it? If the latter, where would you rate v11's buyability on a scale of 1-10, 1 being wouldn't buy again, 10 being would for sure buy again
Hello there! I did far more km on the v11 so my opinion holds up. It really depends on the use case for regular commuting and comfort it’s a 10 for fun and excitement I would say 5
Thanks so much.
Are you one of the select few who has their hands on v12 for testing?? 😁
@@ImSoooRad87 you’re welcome! I can’t confirm nor deny ;)
Am I too heavy if I'm 90kg?
if you will not push it too much then it's ok :)
4:45 BRUH!
That rattling sound feels like it's about to come apart.
Plus not sure the purpose of having to run thru those rocks and hard pavement, it's like your asking for it to get damage then blame KS that the machine is worse than it is. Just cuz it's for off-road doesn't mean you necessarily punish it to prove something. It's like purposely driving a Lamborghini thru a sandy desert and say, oh look the car is crap cuz it can't go off-road.
What you describe at 15:54 is actually the exact opposite of what the S18 does. It Tilts backward, not forward like you demonstrated. What you demonstrated is what it makes you feel like. When the S18 tilts back it makes you feel like you're falling forward so you instinctively lean back to counter that feeling, and therefore you decelerate; hence the safety feature it is. If it tilted forward it would have the opposite affect and make you think you were falling backward and you would then lean forward to accelerate...which would be hazardous...
You never pushed the s18 hard enough then. The tilt back is indeed present but if you push even harder it tilts forward
@@mr_wrongway OK, I never experienced tilt forward. I thought you just got confused when you were explaining it. I hope I continue to not experience it! (I have a 2nd batch now too...much, much smoother suspension than my original first batch).
Rilm Coolnes factor = 100, the weak spot of the wheel is still light weight battery = less power, in cold climate tis a laff.
I would like to see v11 in same Conditions :)
It’s later on on the stairs
@@mr_wrongway I am in first 5 minutes of video i could watch till the end first 🤣
Because of its weak battery the v11 wins vs the s18 imo
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
No fuse
I really would like to try it out, but i need 50km with around 800 height meters.
This wouldn't make the trip :/ Really to bad
Longest ride I rode on mine was 57kms with 20ish %battery showing. For me, thats more than fine as I can't see myself surviving longer than that on MTB trails.
@@scottsum1319 Im not allowed to charge at work so I have one two 25km trips. But as mentioned, I live in kind of a hilly terrain and have to overcome two hills (or ride 5km more).
this is on the edge
@@DiegoTheWolf In that case, the V11 should satisfy although I'm not a fan as easy maintenance is of huge import for me. In that vein, if it were me, I'd go for a MSX/MSP with either 1600/1800wh battery. No suspension though but there's a reason why alot of content creators here use this wheel.
@@scottsum1319 Yea, the bearings seem to fail some time. I'd like to have a suspension, bit the MSX is a valuable option. I think I'll wait a month and then decide. I wanna ride this summer
is this a paid review? I ride with S18 and my feelings are closer to the first review///much closer...
Im so confused
What are you confused about that you have to post it 2x?
BTW, seeing your knee guard slipping on, you should consider this mod. A bunch of us local riders have been doing this and it really helps. czcams.com/video/jeny6BKNWWs/video.html
Yeah it’s a pain sometimes with these knee pads ;/ thanks for the tip! I have checked out your video and might do the mod!
What a surprise that judge trending = fail just like breaking sprung pedals .. better range and speed than scooters and e boards, suspension is better for traction = (IRL random conditions) safety, acceleration, speed, break distance and both range and speed are ideal for cities unless you're trying to get unicycles banned for prepubescent reasons!
Still the same sh!tty front light?
Yeah it’s not the best in my eyes
Памятник советскому воину освободителю ???\\\ Минус этого колеса в том, что подвеска долго не живет по таким дорогам.
Although I love S18, I highly respected your initial bold negative review. I remember your statements about this wheel being boring, dangerous, etc. Now seeing how you spread cheeks for your sponsor, I lost all respect for you. I can understand a person changing mind after a period of time, but this is something else.
This dude should practice speaking with a lower tone. It's really quite annoying!