Buy King Song S18 or Inmotion v11?
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1:47 chooch is officially an old man.
What I heard him say, "Back in my day, we had proper posture because we didn't have EUC with suspension. Kids these days with their suspension EUC don't have it, no respect."
I'm riding my second wheel a V8f and its perfect for me and at 74 i don't much. I kinda do like that V11.
Man you'd be so fun to grab a beer with and talk about this stuff.
Enjoyed the comparison video Chooch. The V11 is my personal favourite at the moment. Loved the decorative cat! 😉😅
CAN YOU SHOW US HOW TO MAKE PADS FOR THE V11
Chooch choo!!
Love this dude! Real character, so much class 🤙🏽
on the v11 or any suspension fork, you can put a zip tie around the fork so you can see how far the travel is. like on the s18 that had that washer.
Great review with some relatable points as well as specs. You've helped me decide I will go with the V11 for my purposes. My only disappointment (though it's a small one) is the lack of bluetooth speaker.
Great comparison review, Chooch.
My deposit is on the V11.
No trails were I live, just the streets.
ohhh this really is The Question right now, innit?
thank you chooch!
U’re the best chooch. Love ur reviews n keep em up brotha.
I got a nil+ n I ride it everywhere I go in my town. I haven’t drivin my car in almost a year. I think the Sherman will revolutionize my riding but either way I LOVE EUCs!!
Seems to me that the tyres should be swapped... love how chill your cat is btw
Which one should i buy V11, S18 or MSP Ht? I am gonna do MTB trail riding, and city cruising. no high jumps. Would like to have juice for passing and not be the last kid on the block in terms of speed against other EUCs. Thanks , for the advice, great videos.
The way I look at it, the S18 is motorcross bike, the V11 is a Harley Sportster. I've got my money on the V11. Thanks for the comparison!
This is the video I've been waiting for!
very informative video and thank you. where did you purchase that purple pad?
When you put new shock on s18 would really like too see a video of that.
I'm really interested in upgrading the shocks when I get mine.
imma go with v11 because its best cruiser and can still hit the trails and jump it
U still using it?
What are the names of those pads you added? Where did you get them, and how did you apply them? Are they sticky on the backside? And what would you recommend, if not those?
Do you think that the different suspension design is what's affecting the ride feel? Specifically that the V11 is essentially an EUC with "suspension pedals" whereas the S18's suspension is more like a typical vehicle where the body/pedals are a single unit and the wheel moves? Is that maybe why the S18 feels like a more playful wheel?
I know they're different wheels bro for different styles, but since they're both not out yet, which one you buying? The s20 or the abrams?
This is what I have been waiting for. Thanks chooch your the man! 💪
If there's no o-ring on the V11 use a small zip tie to test the suspension settings and remove once you have it.
What material are the side pads? Where did you buy them?
Get yourself a recorder to put on your shirt so that when you face away from the camera there isn't a drop in quality my man. Loved the video!
We have the inmotion V11 and really love them. My headlight Rome and they sent me a new one. Do you know how to replace them? I can see to anyone out there thinking about get one of these just go for it. They are a blast for sure.
The cat does not appreciate the interruption of naps 😂
Best matter of fact comparison. Chooch rulez.
‘ I feel like I could make lemonade and sell it while riding this thing!” Inmotion V11 2020 via Chooch!
i guess I am pretty randomly asking but do anybody know a good website to watch newly released series online?
Great review chooch, nice to get a real comparison between the two of these.
Just a note on presentation: you might try standing behind the wheels so that you can look at them and the camera at the same time. Staring at the back of your head is a bit awkward, and it messes with the audio as well.
I'm in Denver too, and put about 3k miles on my KS16x in about 10 months. I mostly ride streets, but i've taken my KS16X up table mesa in Golden and other dirt trails... I'd love to take more of them, but i will always be primarily a street rider only because of business (Turo, and 9-5).
With that said i think i'm going to switch my reservation back to my original choice: the S18. My posture still is not the best, and the ergonomics win... I can live without the little bit of range and slow down a little.. Thanks for the review!
Great choice. The S18 is also a better looking wheel.
I've got similar miles on my KS 16s and have been trying to decide between the two wheels. Kingsong has been good to me but I primarily do street riding. So, great video Chooch but hasn't moved the needle. Might come down to which one I can get first because I'm itching to see what a suspension wheel can do.
What non suspension euc would you say the in motion v11 feels like power and torque wise
Awesome video really appreciate it I guess my next one's gonna be the V11 if I can get one
Can you please do a video of the different wheels for this Amazing machine. Thanks for the videos and information very helpful and informative.
Love the baton, I mean pointer 😂 Looks like ya hijacked your professor's classroom!
It's his selfie stick 😝
Which one is smoother over sidewalk seams?
How’s the general reliability and durability sir? For both
They say youtubers are still trying to beat the hell out of the S18 in 2056😂😂😂 seriously I completely agree with your saying about both these wheels. I don't care about plastic, I want solid structure that's why I préfère the s18, it has proven that it is insanely solid. If was only cruising and not leaving in France where streets are litteraly CRAPPY or paved, where everything is not that far, I would consider v11 but I'm way to impulsive and trying things whenever I ride, so I would feel limited by the v11 in those occasions. Plus I can only afford one wheel so It had to be able to do both street and fun/experience. Glad you like them both and can make people realize that those 2 top suspension wheels ( welcome to 2020) are just not comparable. This is not the same game. #stopthecomparison
Ps: thug life Cat 😂😎
@Chooch Tech i see how hard it is just to pick only one wheel😅 good video once again🤙🏻
Thanks for the tests! I am from Hungary and i follow you from long time ago... i like your great chanel!!! Awesome! I have a Z10, but my knees! :/ Next year i want to buy a KSS18, but this will be a big difference!?? Kingsong have more different types from KSS18?? Like distance, chargers, etc!? Thanks in advance! :)
I was all about the v11 but there are a few videos where that thing gets totalled after just one crash. That's not something they can fix by launch right?
V11 is a good look wheel but so fragile! Go with S18 for sure despite lower range...
I heard other people say the opposite
I need something to play. So I decided for S18. I‘ m waiting......
So you like the 18 more but I will wait till they improve the battery
Seems like they need an addition like the head of a trumpet or other concaved conetype thing cut in half and each half should fit like a minimal protrusion engine casing upside down like on each side of those bottom edges of the units to under the foot rests or something like that....so stuff would slip off it sweet 🤷♀️😁.......wiiiiith snow plough adaptors hah :)
Where can you buy the King Song?
Merci pour ta vidéo il semble que ton chat préfère S18.
Thanks for the great vid! Where can I get the pads?
Jihoon Han put the link below it’s a great deal for a ton of padding
The V11 I get wobbles at high speed might be that I need pads to grip it better
This is a great comparison. Thx from Canada
Nice video, Chooch
Good review, the 11 tire blow out and board burn, especially with super high pedals is a recipe for a hard face plant. I’ll stick with my z10 for awhile
I’ve got a Z10 and S18.
The Z10 has stronger hill climbing and better acceleration but the best is the bigger tyre and how you can corner by locking the outside leg keeping the wheel upright and leaning into the corner - that is so enjoyable and stable and no chance of catching your pedal.
The S18 has suspension so I don’t superman if I hit a hidden tree root or hole and it’s more nimble at the cost of less stability.
If I could add suspension to the Z10 it would be amazing but alas, its hard to change your riding style back and forth so I’ll be selling the Z10.
@@laurencebeasley8660 i ride in traffic so I rely on that self correcting stability
Z10 is my wheel as well. Debating on whether to sell and move on to something new
@@barrett5229 If you don’t ride hard and you’re on smooth pavement then the Z10 is like a Harley, solid and smooth.
If you can could hit uneven surfaces and ride hard then the suspension on the S18 is a huge step up in stability and safety, imagine riding a motorbike with and without suspension.
Oh and the S18 is noticeably lighter.
Don’t get me wrong, the Z10 is one of a kind and I think superior to every other EUC that doesn’t have suspension, and that’s the difference.
@@laurencebeasley8660 appreciate the comparison. I’ll probably keep riding the z10 for a while and see what changes/improvements may pop up. The Sherman is interesting but that’s not something I would want to toss in the car and haul around
Let’s talk about the fact he’s pointing at things with a baton 🤣🤣
Very informative video
Awkward, could it be the batteires+body arent suspended like on s18 (less undamped weight). Its like having a light motor bike with only pedals damped.
BigBadBoogie that’s exactly what I’m thinking good way to put it
You keep reassuring me that the S18 I bought was the way to go but shoot both wheels are amazing! Looking forward to seeing everyone on the trails!! 🤙🌅
How’s the s18 sir? Any issues or parts that breaks easy? I’m looking to buy one. Thanks
@@Cons2911 no man it’s been great, put 1k miles on it so far and it still rides like the first day
I padded up the sides for protection and power pads so the actual wheel hasn’t really been hit hard , nothing has ever popped off
Now is a good time to get the S-18 because they have a special edition version that just came out that has better power (much better battery)
The only think about the wheel is that 28mph after 4-5 months of riding seems a lil shy of what how you naturally wanna ride when your traveling and eventually you’ll realize the wheel has enough torque for things but you’ll notice limited push after you get used to it so I’m upgrading to the S20 because of that but yeah it’s been a great wheel
Lmk if you have any questions
How much are you trying to spend on it?
@@thefoss721 uhm, max would probably be the v11 which is $200 more VS s18. I like the looks of the 18 and its lighter cheaper less weight too. Range would likely be an issue for a good while. And this would be my first actually, I should be able to handle it. I don't need too much speed, for now at least. I'm more conservative I guess. The 18 is already a stretch for (I was aiming for v10f mlat most really).
What kind of padding did you use? I'm thinking I need that esp while learning to ride.
@@thefoss721 another option I'm thinking.. Get something like mcm5 to learn from, it has good range and power and pretty agile. Give it to my kid once I outgrow it
@@Cons2911 the S-18 is my first wheel and it’s been amazing, I couldn’t have wished for anything better, coming from a one wheel the ability on that S-18 has been incredible in the mtns and on the street, the suspension people like more on the S18 but the V11 is good as well, not the same though, the range is better and it probably could cruise at 30-32 for the V11 , cruising at 28-29 on the s-18 I try and stay a few mph under its limit to prevent a cut out and haven’t ever had one , either would be great first wheels though they are both held as great wheels
I use baby foam padding for the body of the wheel, it’s cheap and super protective against all falls and it’s definitely saved my wheel, I actually made pads out of that foam and just shaped it so my legs could rest in that… some regular pads would be much easier and probably better, there’s a lot of brands out there you just want them to be thick enough so your leg feels like it has enough force to push on the pads… I’d look up pads I’m not to familiar with pads but a lot of these guys on these channels are you could message them
Lmk if you have any questions but your gonna absolutely love these eucs man they are something else… just expect a week or so and be patient while learning , it was harder than I thought , lots of “how to learn” videos as well if it’s challenging , I’m currently learning how to ride backwards , it helps confidence going forward, stopping, reversing and switching back and fourth
It’s been a amazing road while learning how to use these devices, for the price you really get so much ability /speed/range , and when you upgrade check out the S-22, I’m about to get that one, a lot of these new wheels coming out will have suspension because it’s just much better for riding and grip , bumps, rocks etc, helps you stay on the wheel so much … ahhhh it’s great , the big ones are super hard to learn on though so keep that in mind, showing others how to learn you don’t want any bigger than a S-18 (just turn off the suspension when others jump on, makes the learning much harder) I just learned that
Enjoy!!! And appreciate whatever wheel you get! She will take care of you if you stay within its limits that are learned after a few months of feeling out the wheel and how it handles pressure/speed/torque , but don’t worry about that at first, lean into that baby as much as you want it won’t cutout , it’s hard to do that at first … almost impossible lol
Here if you need anything! 🙏
THANK.
Great review! I really like the added pads you are using. Can you post the link on my comment or at least tell me the brand and supplier. Thanks!
Quinton DeMarco Bennett it’s linked below my friend
@@choochtech Sorry I did not see that, thank you!
Chill cat!
I want the V11 so bad but Marty’s overheat hill test wigs me out straight up. Slightly leaning toward the MSS honestly. Just would love having suspension. #firstwheel
Even a Sherman died on that hill: czcams.com/video/DFavoAFEcDw/video.html
Marty’s unit is a pre- production, production units has improved cooling.
His unit was pre-production and had been through the ringer already. A lot of changes have been made to pretty much every new wheel’s production version. For example: we are seeing new issues with the s18 like high speed cutouts that are within the stated speed limit, which wasn’t mentioned in any pre-production reviews.
Big_Yeetus ah... then these videos currently being made to help us decide which wheel to buy are really only helpful to the producers of the wheels, they find out what they need to improve before production (hopefully). But for us, we still haven’t seen production quality reviews, and all our decisions would be based on info sourced from inaccurate reviews. I wouldn’t buy the V11 now, but that’s based on a review of the pre-production wheel. See how that works? What’s the point of watching all these reviews then? If every flaw is going to be “oh that’s going to be fixed... we hope”. We really all need to wait another 2 months to see real reviews of the production wheels...
@@lpeter1172 Im not looking at a Sherman either for that reason. You are correct though.
Thanks Chooch! One question. MSP or V11? ;)
Pawel Wisniowski that’s a hard one. I have been having a hard time riding my non suspension wheels it feels like I’m missing something
MSP, ( V11 опасное для поездок, так как корпус воздушного амортизатора находится ниже линии педалей, это будущая причина падений)
@@aleksandrselivanov6514 thanks for comment, I was able to test the V11, and not experienced such issue: czcams.com/video/GBOWG6hZgs8/video.html
Seems that the best solution is to have both of them :)
im thinking about the s18 for my frist EUC
stop thinking and go for it if I would have had the s18 for my first wheel I would have fallen in love with the hobby even more.
There is one huge drawback to V11 i didn't think about till today: a guy fell down from his EUC and the hit came to the outer parts of suspension and crushed it into pieces. From this piont of view S18 looks stronger because weak parts are hidden inside wheel's budy.
Well if you paid attention to the details of his crash the wheel kept going and hit a truck even denting the truck, that type of crash is bound to do damage.
What concerned me about his crash was that the V11’s suspension can throw your feet off. Chooch pretty much says the same. And I am not I to having to make custom stuff. I don’t have skills like that. Now I’m concerned about my pre-order.
@@TheLillianYoung true that's a valid concern
Z10 quality? I think Hsiang will disagree pretty hard since his poor v11 didn't survive a single crash.
tapping screws in plastic shell with cracks in these places. Good quality.
Hsiang had Z10, Inmotion v11 and a GW Monster die under him. I dont blame Hsiang for that - I think its poor quality in general.
Some guy crashed his brand new S18-2 when he fell off over small unmarked speed bump here in Moscow, one might question his skills, but the wheel landed on top right gap near front light, that's where battery corner is, and the part of the frame which holds right battery cracked open through the screw on top side of battery box. I hope it's just bad luck, poor guy, but I'm going to put some protection on my S18 when it arrives.
I wouldn't bet a dime on what Hsiang have said on how his V11 broke apart after his crash. He couldn't even back it up with video. According to him, he didn't even remember what happened. He was too busy trying to pull his soul back into his human body right after the crash. Who knows if his wheel was ran over by cars behind him. He's a youtuber, he knows how to get perks for free.
@@paveltroev8221 can you provide a link to this case (video or article)? Would like to read more.
Suspension is the new gen.
S 18 it is... Trails here i come!
heck yea! you will love it!! im trying to get the ole demo one back from NYC lol!! Cheers!
Hola, podrías poner subtitulo en español para ir conociendo la características
y qué rueda tienes actualmente ?
that air you just got in the first few clips just made me switch camps, thanks I'm looking for durable offroad madness. Be careful make sure you're always gearing up, hsiang he just destroyed the v11. The saddle has an impact limit and its not pretty.
I’m confused. You praised the V11 on your “mountain bike track” video the most and now switched to the S18? 🤔
He praises both.
For my analogy
V11 = sedan
S18 = Jeep
I see what you mean I felt the same, even in the chooch and changes video he kept the same speech. But I think after the riding the s18 for so long and it still working fine, and everythingg that has happened trough youtubers reviews' around the world. He had make it clear, this video is about all this, plus his preference regarding his riding style
"Hit it and float with it"
Well after seeing what happened to hsiang Crash on V11 and someother professional rider where his V11 wheel Burned out, I do not think V11 meet the Safety standards anymore. No matter what they said the S18 is a much better choice when it comes to Safety concerns.
Idk I think I like the ex better than both but not for beginners for sure...lol
S18 All Day.
Soluchi
V11 all day, lol
Soluchi {Michael Jackson Lookalike, Dancer, VFX} market will decide, for now V11 is objectively and as many reviewers say subjectively better
@@hubertziokowski172 forums are proving the S18 release has been made a disaster by Kingsong.
i just got a white s18 im ready to ride on the street im pretty much good riding in my basement
I just got my s18
S18 or Veteran? First wheel, not sure what I should aim for.
Hey bro, go for a S18 as your first wheel... Veteran is pretty heavy and you will have a lot of trouble to learn on this wheel. Besides, you wont go beyond 30 mph in a short term, It requires some experience to reach high speeds
@AnsiTiv you want honesty? go for a Msp or wait for the Monster Pro see what is coming soon might change youre mind! changing a tire on the veteran required a full dissambly🤔 i do not recommend first row on euc wait they fix problems
Neither. I am telling you from experience learning on my V10f then teaching my girlfriend on her V8f that you should get a used, shit, short wheel to get a handle on like the V8f or lower then make a choice.
@@AstrotardJones I pre-paid V11 not knowing how to ride EUC and yesterday I had a chance of try-n-compare live units of V11 and KS18L
I think your comment is sooo sooo underrated
Weight and size is definitely a thing for a new riders
while I was able to get SOME sort handle for KS18L and ride like 30-40 meters on it(yay)
I was NOT able to get a grip for V11 in the same manner. Barely made a meter on it or so before losing balance, even holding it with your leg is hard and tiresome
The Nikola was my first wheel. I put 300 miles on it in 2 weeks and I’m very glad I didn’t get a lower end wheel first. Unless you got tons of money just buy whatever wheel you want and go from there. Even the veteran. Ya it’ll take you some time to get comfortable on and you will get super frustrated but once it all clicks....you’ll be glad you got a high end wheel.
I want the comfort of the v11. My roads are so crack and bumpy but I keep hearing that the v11 is a bad first wheel
go for it it aint a bad first wheel really you will just never like a non suspension wheel as much
@@choochtech thanks for the reply, I ride an electric skateboard. I feel every crack and bump. I'm ready for something softer on my knees.
I tested version 1 of the v11 was well ems some defect I bought version 2 of the v11 and the superb my still 2 defect I sold the wheel and then yesterday I received the batch 3 of the v11 and everything is corrected zero problem the pad was remforced bequitte changes the shock valve too and a big piece under the pedals at the damper dub too and I find it much better than the I tested version 1 of the v11 was well ems some defect I bought version 2 of the v11 and the superb my still 2 defect I sold the wheel and then yesterday I received the batch 3 of the v11 and everything is corrected zero problem the pad was remforced bequitte changes the shock valve too and a big piece under the pedals at the damper dub too and I find it much better than the s18 and that other wheels18 and that other wheel hass18 and that other wheel bought I board a v11
Have you got a theory about Shaun’s V11 crash.
He had way too much air in the chambers, you can see how high up his pedals are. No sag at all
chooch tech
They do look high, but as I don’t know how high they should be I took it as ok. Makes sense that he got “bounced” off. How do you think the tyre damage happened? I thought the collision with the truck but Sean said he doubted it.
@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 they were extremely high and stiff I would bet the wheel bounced hit full speed and when it landed it exploded basically
S18 the best!
We tottally agree!
@@Eletricz hahaha Brazil !
@Eletricz 🙌
Your vids are usually some of my faves, Chooch, but this one wasn't great. Needed to do a better job articulating the differences between the suspension in practice. You cover it, but it needs to be the bulk of the vid.
If this was my wheel I would just go to the what craft store? I couldn't hear you. 2:48
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Kiss the cat for me
Yous are very informative n shit.
Love ur little baby
After the tests our guys are done, S18 have a better suspension and assembly quality
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Overheat Hill... V11 fail... comments?
And NY crush. As for S18, we already have here in Russia a case when on just 25 km/h a guy haven't noticed a bump and broken a metal (!) plate on the top of the wheel (the one where all suspension rails come into) into two parts, it appeared that it is made of a powder metal of a very bad quality. Also, suspension doesn't work good on production S18 due to rails jamming and broken bearings (there are 14 of them inside suspension system btw and as the first owners who has disassambled their wheels say half of the bearings are come in unsafisfactory condition). Thus, looks like there is no much advantage in production S18 having 3kg more weight than preproduction one. After Speedyfit feeback regarding wobbling Kingsong increased the thickness of upper pads. As the result noone likes the new ones and custom designs are already created. I've preorderded S18 and should get the one in about 3-5 days but looks like instead of the riding I will be doing disassambling and fixing the first week or two. So both wheels have a lot of realability and quality problems
Arseniy Fomin wow! That sounds really bad.
just don't fuсk your device )
@@arseniyfomin is this why King song released a full assembly/disassembly video for S18?!😅
Rolling the dice quality with S18 , yikes.
Personally I don't believe the avg rider will be facing hills like Overheat Hill ... although a great "test" ... that sort of a riding condition is likely rare. As far as the crash in NYC ... I don't think any wheel that hits the back end of a steel truck probably doing 20mph would fair much better ... the V11 has been dropped and knocked over like any wheel without any major shattering ... so again ... not a big concern to me ... After putting 1000km on a mini-segway ... lol ... I need more than 10mph and 90 min of riding time. I'm a cruiser on bike paths and the side of the highway and with some pads .. will try some trails ... so for me ... V11 all the way.
I wouldnt get KingSong because they lock your wheels for no reason
nah it was a thing they did because alieexpress screwed with the agreement they had. Any wheel bought through my link or ewheels will be fine. Cheers!
You gotta work in the cannabis industry if your in Colorado lol
Hey, show your cats face.
haha her name is dirtbike she will do a face reveal soon! XD
So Inmotion is good in hiding tail, and Kingsong is good in hiding head. And for God's sake stop making this noise with this stick!