We were surprised at what a difference these springs made and would highly recommend them. Usually the install is quite simple and can be done in a short amount of time. Front coil spring ~ amzn.to/3dWRkrm Back spring ~ amzn.to/3tZTfBh Front coil spring ~ amzn.to/3dWRkrm Back spring ~ amzn.to/3tZTfBh
@@FEARNoMore...Thank you. I’m not the brightest bulb in the box so I don’t always catch what is so obvious to everyone else. Senior moment. Again, thank you.
Thank you for your great videos!! I know this is an older video but I assume people like me are still finding and watching these install videos. I originally installed the rear sumo springs when the van was empty and used both spacers. At that time it was barely touching and made a significant difference in the ride. After building out the van and adding significant weight the ride was extremely rough. I just removed one of the spacers and it made a tremendous difference in softening the ride
I told my wife I watched your latest video on Sumo springs. She wanted to know where they were, if you had to hike in to them and how warm they were! Looking forward to the video on your new window. Stay safe.
Enjoyed the video guys. Lol I hope you continue enjoying the Tennessee river in NW Alabama. I hope you will check out the Tennessee upriver near Dayton. There is a great Cherokee point of INTEREST near. It tells the important story of the Trail of Tears.
Thank you, Dennis. We appreciate the information about Cherokee Point. We are trying to decide on our route through Tennessee today. This current location on the river has been soo good, it's been hard to leave. 😀
Great walk through with the sumos, do you wish you would have installed them when you first built. I have just ordered a new one to build. Have sold my first one, I had to replace the front struts on her, and the mount brackets, she had a rattle when you went on a dirt road, that went away after they were changed. Get the Bilsteins, I also bought 40mm spacers to raise the front up a couple inches to help with clearance and the levelness. Thanks for the videos,👍👏
Great looking dog. I installed the Sumo Springs on my 2018 Winnebago Travato, it also is a heavy vehicle, around 9,000 pounds. The ride was completely changed for the better. Installing the rears was a walk in the park, I had some difficulty with the front springs, I removed the tire and that gave me a little more room to work. Nice video, I hope that these springs work well for you.
Hi to the two of you. I have no clue of these technical things but I enjoy listening to you both So I watched it and gave a thumbs up👍 Have 🤣😝😜 stay safe
Hey Carrie and Dave! Congratulations on getting to 20K! DAVE: You beat Rob to the sumo install. We ordered ours a while back, but they were lost in the mail, so we just received them now. We should be installing ours soon too. We have the exact same van as you, except it is a 2020. 😊 Let us know how the sumos work for you.
Congratulations! We are loving them. Ours are actually touching in the rear. I changed some out on a new Promaster and that was so much easier. We were getting our teeth rattled out on the bumps but not now. 😀
Nice job. Love it when you put up DIY projects. You always explain the process in clear terms that help with understanding. I only put on the rear Summo assists. I’m considering a Van-compass 2” lift. I can tell a big difference in driving even with only the rear done. The garage that put them on only used one spacer, saying it fit to tight. Did you have that issue? I kept the unused spacers in case needed later. So much better when you can do it yourself.
When we built our van, we bought those back and rear sumo spring and had installed by a garage shop for $40 labor. It took them 20mn. We cannot tell the difference in driving since we never drove with the factory ones :). But The back sumo springs lift the van 1-2 inches.
Right on Herve! Sounds like they were fair on the install job. I feel like we hug the corners so much better...we just followed another Promaster and noticed it was leaning on the turns much more than we were. 😀
Right on! Our friends have a Promaster that is 1500 pounds lighter and rides super smooth. We hope we can help further by shedding some weight. Plus I like to minimize any change we get. 😀
I added Sumo springs to the back of my Xterra (also a leaf spring rear end). Made a huge improvement by eliminating the harsh bottoming out I'd feel over speed bumps or while off road.
The first thing I did with our van (it weighs the same as your's) was to add a leaf to the rear springs. At this weight you're pushing it's max capacity and I wanted some additional wt carrying capacity so as not to cause parts to wear out prematurely. I have not increased the overall wt of the van just it's capacity.
@@oneadVANtureatatime Yea it wasn't the cheapest mod but it gave me a little peace of mind knowing I was no longer pushing the limit of the suspension. I think many diy's don't take the time to weigh their vans once completed and therefor have no idea if they're over weight.
For my rear bump install, the welds on both nuts broke when I was getting the OEM bumps off. I had to use a reciprocating saw to cut them off (since they were just spinning at that point) touch up paint, then use a locking washer and nut in the channel that the OEM nut was originally welded into. If you break a weld, don't worry! It can be saved. Be mindful of brake lines and wires when removing the old bumps! I only had 30k miles and used penetrating spray as well, so bad luck I guess for me....
I'm glad you have these installed, I remember you saying that they were on the wish list 👏. Sounds like you are happy with the results. The screwdriver 🪛 trick was good thinking. It's always nice to see a surprise video pop up 👍👍👍
I know when I was putting side steps on my Ram having to take out the body bolts to install, the lock tite they used was some good stuff. I was afraid the bolt would break. Looks like you ran into the same stuff.
Thanks for great share, and video! Good to know it was a great investment, and noticeable difference! Wished I had put on my old RV as it used to wallow much. All the BEST and thanks again! Cheers! :)
Going to be installing a pair on our 2020 Sequence 20K. Same Dodge chassis. I see you used the yellow ones for 8,000 GVR. I will check my GVR.. The recommendation I got so far was the black ones for my van. We will be adding a spare tire rack combo ladder. Not sure if that will change it to the yellow. Sway on highway is not as bad. Driveways and rough roads are the problem.
Did you do the install Sparkey? Just got mine delivered today for our 2022 Sequence 20L…the yellow springs. I’m gonna use 1 spacer. Praying to God it’s a simple unscrew the old and screw on the new. Bought a 6 ton bottle jack to simply pry up the suspension if needed, rather than lifting the whole thing.
Should use jackstands I realize you do not want to carry them but just a jack is very dangerous. You may want to check on fluid film, it can keep the underbody from rusting.
Good call, yes I have just started doing some undercoating with a special rubber undercoat spray. In the west we didn't have to worry about this rust issue 😂😂
Nice! I just looked that Landed gear up to see what its all about. The spare tire looks great there! Will you be placing something underneath your van were the spare tire was?
This is timely info! We want to do this! Is the link you provide for “exact” for the 2017 2500? (I won’t hold you accountable lol). We will order these immediately because your video was the most clear I have seen on installation! Thank you for sharing! 🤙 High five to Roodle!
So you don’t have to jack it up to put the back ones on? Did you later try it with the two spacers rather than one or did you just stick with the one spacer on each side of the back ones?
Hola: Os aconsejo que cambiéis el kayak por una tabla de paddle surf. Yo lo hice porque el kayak cuesta muchísimo secarlo completamente y si no se hace bien y se guarda húmedo luego salen manchas de humedad .o incluso se puede llegar a pudrir. El paddle no tiene recovecos y está hecho de un material que repele el agua. Lo puedes secar bien en un minuto. A demás el kayak mojado pesa muchísimo y el paddle lo mismo. Os lo digo por experiencia porque yo tambien tengo una camper. Saludos desde el Principado de Asturias.
Thank you for the good advice. We ended up going with a stand-up paddleboard a few months ago and are loving it. We added more solar to the roof and have limited space now. 😀
it is needed with lots of back end constant weight in the Promaster -- I pick up my winnebago Travato GL at the end of May and plan to do OHV 3in lift at some point and other suspension improvements down the road.. may see you folks as I camp around the NW.. Based out of Spokane WA. old and retired so this is not a full time thing for me.. but hope to use the van enough to enjoy retirement
Hi George! It raised the rear over an inch because it is now setting on the taller bump stop. This helps stabilize side-to-side motion when turning as well. 👍😀
Well Dave you did a great job explaining something the van needed. My non-mechanical mind didn’t understand too much but I wanted to be the first comment. 🤷🏻♀️ 😆 👍🏻 🚐
Hi Ron. I just pulled out a tape measure and got a rough estimate as I can't recall either. It's 22 inches wide and 45” long..give or take a little. We are loving these windows.😀
How many miles are on your PM? Ours is a 2014 159 inch wheelbase with 127,000 miles. We bought it with 122K on it. As far as we know the struts and shocks are original and it handles very well. It's a 3500 so the rear sway bar may make a difference. As simple as they are, $254 for the Sumo bump stops on the rear seems expensive.
We only have 85k miles but have a heavy load and like the remote bumpy roads. Pretty sure we are taking years off our van's life limit faster than normal. I have heard the 3500 ride smoother and can handle the weight better so great choice there. We are currently reducing weight anyway we can and buying time for the strut replacement. We have been pleasantly surprised with the sumo springs. 😀
I can see the sumo for sure. But why are you replacing the rear shocks? Just age? What did you replace the shocks with? OEM? My van is new and not built out yet. Just wondering if I might as well install the sumo bumpers before? Thank you.
The ride in the rear became terrible. When we took took the shocks out they were done. I bought aftermarket shocks on Amazon. The sumo bump stops in the rear made a huge difference in cornering and moderate different in ride for us. The new shocks I can just barely tell that I replaced them. Big thumbs up on the sumo springs.
Now that you have had them for a while, are they still great? My van is not heavy, but I can’t stand the rear “tipping” feeling you get going around curves. Do the sumo springs solve that issue? Can I just get the rears? Thanks
Yes! They completely removed that tipping feeling for us and you can just order the rear sumo’s on Amazon. If you are not that heavy you may want to use both spacers that come with it already assembled. Because they are bump stops they need to make contact when turning to get the results. We are so heavy that they are touching even with just one spacer. It's a huge difference, we love the improvement.😀
Did you have the issue of the nut on top coming lose in the rear sumo springs? I have this issue trying to tighten the spring and then the nut comes loose and I can’t tighten it anymore. Thoughts?
We were surprised at what a difference these springs made and would highly recommend them. Usually the install is quite simple and can be done in a short amount of time.
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Back spring ~ amzn.to/3tZTfBh
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@Javion Raul Is that an app?
@@LaCatLady Both comments above you are spam from fake accounts promoting a site.
@@FEARNoMore...Thank you. I’m not the brightest bulb in the box so I don’t always catch what is so obvious to everyone else. Senior moment. Again, thank you.
Watch this video if your old bump stops won’t come off! This guy has a good solution for a stuck one, including if the flange mount is frozen
Thank you for your great videos!! I know this is an older video but I assume people like me are still finding and watching these install videos. I originally installed the rear sumo springs when the van was empty and used both spacers. At that time it was barely touching and made a significant difference in the ride. After building out the van and adding significant weight the ride was extremely rough. I just removed one of the spacers and it made a tremendous difference in softening the ride
I just installed it on Solis Pocket pro Master 2024 and it works amazing.
Great video, I have the confidence now to do this job myself because my van is almost brand-new so it shouldn't have the rust problem.😊
I told my wife I watched your latest video on Sumo springs. She wanted to know where they were, if you had to hike in to them and how warm they were! Looking forward to the video on your new window. Stay safe.
😂😂😂 That's too funny! They are a cool yellow spring that feels soft and smooth. 😂
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Great job! we installed Sumo springs on my wife's Transit and couldn't believe the difference it made. :)
Nice! These vans should come with them. 😀
Enjoyed the video guys. Lol I hope you continue enjoying the Tennessee river in NW Alabama. I hope you will check out the Tennessee upriver near Dayton. There is a great Cherokee point of INTEREST near. It tells the important story of the Trail of Tears.
Thank you, Dennis. We appreciate the information about Cherokee Point. We are trying to decide on our route through Tennessee today. This current location on the river has been soo good, it's been hard to leave. 😀
Great walk through with the sumos, do you wish you would have installed them when you first built. I have just ordered a new one to build. Have sold my first one, I had to replace the front struts on her, and the mount brackets, she had a rattle when you went on a dirt road, that went away after they were changed. Get the Bilsteins, I also bought 40mm spacers to raise the front up a couple inches to help with clearance and the levelness. Thanks for the videos,👍👏
Thank you for the tip on the Bilsteins! Yes, I do wish we would have started with these. Bummer on the mount brackets 😕
Great looking dog. I installed the Sumo Springs on my 2018 Winnebago Travato, it also is a heavy vehicle, around 9,000 pounds. The ride was completely changed for the better. Installing the rears was a walk in the park, I had some difficulty with the front springs, I removed the tire and that gave me a little more room to work. Nice video, I hope that these springs work well for you.
Right on, Jay! We are loving our Sumo Springs. Our dog is a Labradoodle named Roodle. 😎
Hi to the two of you. I have no clue of these technical things but I enjoy listening to you both So I watched it and gave a thumbs up👍 Have 🤣😝😜 stay safe
Thank you! We appreciate you commenting as well.😀😀😀
Hey Carrie and Dave! Congratulations on getting to 20K! DAVE: You beat Rob to the sumo install. We ordered ours a while back, but they were lost in the mail, so we just received them now. We should be installing ours soon too. We have the exact same van as you, except it is a 2020. 😊 Let us know how the sumos work for you.
Congratulations! We are loving them. Ours are actually touching in the rear. I changed some out on a new Promaster and that was so much easier. We were getting our teeth rattled out on the bumps but not now. 😀
Nice job. Love it when you put up DIY projects. You always explain the process in clear terms that help with understanding. I only put on the rear Summo assists. I’m considering a Van-compass 2” lift. I can tell a big difference in driving even with only the rear done. The garage that put them on only used one spacer, saying it fit to tight. Did you have that issue? I kept the unused spacers in case needed later. So much better when you can do it yourself.
Thank you! We also went with one spacer as we are pretty heavy and two would not fit.
When we built our van, we bought those back and rear sumo spring and had installed by a garage shop for $40 labor. It took them 20mn. We cannot tell the difference in driving since we never drove with the factory ones :). But The back sumo springs lift the van 1-2 inches.
Right on Herve! Sounds like they were fair on the install job. I feel like we hug the corners so much better...we just followed another Promaster and noticed it was leaning on the turns much more than we were. 😀
I admire your skills and your nerve. I’m
Just glad our Promaster is still riding smoothly.
Right on! Our friends have a Promaster that is 1500 pounds lighter and rides super smooth. We hope we can help further by shedding some weight. Plus I like to minimize any change we get. 😀
Hi have fun and take care and take it easy and enjoy it
Great job on the install! That is awesome that you noticed a difference right away! 😊💚
These sumo Springs are working even better than we were imagining. 😀
The same thing happen to me! The drill hack worked for me! It took you 1.5 hours. It took me 1.5 days till I saw your hack.
+Motorsports4Christ_Jon We are SO GLAD IT WORKED!!! lots of people have had problems with these darn bump stops!
I added Sumo springs to the back of my Xterra (also a leaf spring rear end). Made a huge improvement by eliminating the harsh bottoming out I'd feel over speed bumps or while off road.
Nice! We could use an extra leaf spring as well.
WD-40 is not a lubricant or a penetrating oil is designed to display water.
Safe travels, Dave, Carrie and Roodles 🚐
The first thing I did with our van (it weighs the same as your's) was to add a leaf to the rear springs. At this weight you're pushing it's max capacity and I wanted some additional wt carrying capacity so as not to cause parts to wear out prematurely. I have not increased the overall wt of the van just it's capacity.
Nice John! We may look into adding an additional leaf spring as well. Do you mind if I ask how much did it cost you?
@@oneadVANtureatatime If I remember correctly it was about $475.00 at the local suspension shop. I suspect this will vary by shop.
Right on! That's not as bad as I was thinking. 😀
@@oneadVANtureatatime Yea it wasn't the cheapest mod but it gave me a little peace of mind knowing I was no longer pushing the limit of the suspension. I think many diy's don't take the time to weigh their vans once completed and therefor have no idea if they're over weight.
I know you'll change it soon, Carrie, but I really like the intro. 🙂
Thank you! We may run it for a year then start fresh with a new year of footage. 😀😀😀
How did you rip the old bump stop in half? And did you use 1 spacer or two?
For my rear bump install, the welds on both nuts broke when I was getting the OEM bumps off. I had to use a reciprocating saw to cut them off (since they were just spinning at that point) touch up paint, then use a locking washer and nut in the channel that the OEM nut was originally welded into. If you break a weld, don't worry! It can be saved. Be mindful of brake lines and wires when removing the old bumps! I only had 30k miles and used penetrating spray as well, so bad luck I guess for me....
Great advice, thank you! I initially thought this was going to be a 5 minute job 😂
I'm glad you have these installed, I remember you saying that they were on the wish list 👏.
Sounds like you are happy with the results. The screwdriver 🪛 trick was good thinking.
It's always nice to see a surprise video pop up 👍👍👍
Thank you, J.G. 😀 I almost broke that screwdriver 😂
Good job! I love your info mericals for the Promaster, did I see new windows on Trooper? Future video I’m sure.
Good eyes Scott! The cabin window video will be coming soon. 😀😀
Good job, guys! Glad things are more comfy for you and pup. 😉👍🇨🇦🐾 and...CONGRATS on 20,000!!!
Thank you! 😀
Thanks for this video guys! Gonna plop these bad boys on today!
Great job Dave, you're a jack of all trades!!
I feel like it sometimes 🤪 The master at none part as well.
Lol I resemble that remark
I know when I was putting side steps on my Ram having to take out the body bolts to install, the lock tite they used was some good stuff. I was afraid the bolt would break. Looks like you ran into the same stuff.
That lock time is no joke! 😀
Have fun and take care and take it easy and enjoy 😊 it
Thankyou for the video. What timing! I'm about to install the front set tomorrow. Your video and commentary is most helpful. Regards!
How did the install go, Ron? I hope you like them as much as we do. 😀
Great instructional video. Excellent job Dave. Happy Trails
The ride is so much better 😀 Now all we need to do is get rid of more junk and lighten our load 😂
Smart drilling !!
Thank you, Mary! 😀
Thanks for great share, and video! Good to know it was a great investment, and noticeable difference! Wished I had put on my old RV as it used to wallow much. All the BEST and thanks again! Cheers! :)
Thank you, Mary! If we ever do another build we will start with these. 😀
Going to be installing a pair on our 2020 Sequence 20K. Same Dodge chassis. I see you used the yellow ones for 8,000 GVR. I will check my GVR.. The recommendation I got so far was the black ones for my van. We will be adding a spare tire rack combo ladder. Not sure if that will change it to the yellow. Sway on highway is not as bad. Driveways and rough roads are the problem.
Did you do the install Sparkey? Just got mine delivered today for our 2022 Sequence 20L…the yellow springs. I’m gonna use 1 spacer. Praying to God it’s a simple unscrew the old and screw on the new. Bought a 6 ton bottle jack to simply pry up the suspension if needed, rather than lifting the whole thing.
Should use jackstands I realize you do not want to carry them but just a jack is very dangerous. You may want to check on fluid film, it can keep the underbody from rusting.
Good call, yes I have just started doing some undercoating with a special rubber undercoat spray. In the west we didn't have to worry about this rust issue 😂😂
Good training vlog guys. Any thoughts for a vlog to see Roodle get groomed? Cheers from Canader eh!
Thank you, Susan! It's possible but would be a challenge for us. We can only do small portions at a time and Roodle needs lots of breaks. 🐕🤪
Nicely done. Glad they are working out. Well done.
I plan to install sumo rear only. Do you jack up body from ground or jack up body with jack on a crossmember , axle or something similar? Ty
Hi guys! We found a big difference too. The van handles better in the wind and in cornering... less sway.
Right on, Toni! We hope you have some fun plans to get out and explore this summer. 😎
Hi guys! Yes! I’m in San Diego for a Landed Gear spare tire mount install.
Nice! I just looked that Landed gear up to see what its all about. The spare tire looks great there! Will you be placing something underneath your van were the spare tire was?
Thanks for sharing your expertise!!
Hi guy's, good job Dave I like to know how much lift you gain on front,
I forgot to measure the front. I would guess it is very minimal...less than half an inch.
This is timely info! We want to do this! Is the link you provide for “exact” for the 2017 2500? (I won’t hold you accountable lol). We will order these immediately because your video was the most clear I have seen on installation! Thank you for sharing! 🤙 High five to Roodle!
+Discovering LockeNest Dave says it’s the same no matter what year😃they made a huge difference for us!
Just curious if you got them installed yet or have any questions 😀
one adVANture at a time they have not come in yet but you can bet I’ll hit you up if I have issues! 😁🤙
So you don’t have to jack it up to put the back ones on? Did you later try it with the two spacers rather than one or did you just stick with the one spacer on each side of the back ones?
Hola: Os aconsejo que cambiéis el kayak por una tabla de paddle surf. Yo lo hice porque el kayak cuesta muchísimo secarlo completamente y si no se hace bien y se guarda húmedo luego salen manchas de humedad .o incluso se puede llegar a pudrir. El paddle no tiene recovecos y está hecho de un material que repele el agua. Lo puedes secar bien en un minuto. A demás el kayak mojado pesa muchísimo y el paddle lo mismo. Os lo digo por experiencia porque yo tambien tengo una camper. Saludos desde el Principado de Asturias.
Thank you for the good advice. We ended up going with a stand-up paddleboard a few months ago and are loving it. We added more solar to the roof and have limited space now. 😀
Back up your bottle jack with a jack stand or two. Thank you
excellent too easy
Roodle thanks you!
He does look happier on the ride 😀
Great video made the job easier
Our pleasure to help! 😀 I hope you like them as much as we do.
you really need more and better leaf springs with that much weight
Yes, we may add a leaf spring at some point.
it is needed with lots of back end constant weight in the Promaster -- I pick up my winnebago Travato GL at the end of May and plan to do OHV 3in lift at some point and other suspension improvements down the road.. may see you folks as I camp around the NW.. Based out of Spokane WA. old and retired so this is not a full time thing for me.. but hope to use the van enough to enjoy retirement
Actually what does the sumo spring do. Does it raise the rear end higher or is a taller bump stop?
Hi George! It raised the rear over an inch because it is now setting on the taller bump stop. This helps stabilize side-to-side motion when turning as well. 👍😀
Very useful and enjoyable!
Well Dave you did a great job explaining something the van needed. My non-mechanical mind didn’t understand too much but I wanted to be the first comment. 🤷🏻♀️ 😆 👍🏻 🚐
Thank you, Andrea! This install is a fun one for me. 😀
So how many spacers did you end up using ?
Just one and they are still touching, what a huge difference in the ride. We are loving them
Would leaving 2 spacers make it even smoother?
Where do you guys bought this?
Hi Dave, could you please tell me what size window you have on your cargo door? Thanks l have a van just like yours, Ron Norris
Hi Ron. I just pulled out a tape measure and got a rough estimate as I can't recall either. It's 22 inches wide and 45” long..give or take a little. We are loving these windows.😀
How many miles are on your PM? Ours is a 2014 159 inch wheelbase with 127,000 miles. We bought it with 122K on it. As far as we know the struts and shocks are original and it handles very well. It's a 3500 so the rear sway bar may make a difference. As simple as they are, $254 for the Sumo bump stops on the rear seems expensive.
We only have 85k miles but have a heavy load and like the remote bumpy roads. Pretty sure we are taking years off our van's life limit faster than normal. I have heard the 3500 ride smoother and can handle the weight better so great choice there. We are currently reducing weight anyway we can and buying time for the strut replacement. We have been pleasantly surprised with the sumo springs. 😀
I can see the sumo for sure. But why are you replacing the rear shocks? Just age? What did you replace the shocks with? OEM? My van is new and not built out yet. Just wondering if I might as well install the sumo bumpers before? Thank you.
The ride in the rear became terrible. When we took took the shocks out they were done. I bought aftermarket shocks on Amazon. The sumo bump stops in the rear made a huge difference in cornering and moderate different in ride for us. The new shocks I can just barely tell that I replaced them. Big thumbs up on the sumo springs.
@@oneadVANtureatatime Thank you!!
Now that you have had them for a while, are they still great? My van is not heavy, but I can’t stand the rear “tipping” feeling you get going around curves. Do the sumo springs solve that issue? Can I just get the rears? Thanks
Yes! They completely removed that tipping feeling for us and you can just order the rear sumo’s on Amazon. If you are not that heavy you may want to use both spacers that come with it already assembled. Because they are bump stops they need to make contact when turning to get the results. We are so heavy that they are touching even with just one spacer. It's a huge difference, we love the improvement.😀
this will be quick and easy........ LOL
That's when everything falls apart 😂😂
Did you have the issue of the nut on top coming lose in the rear sumo springs? I have this issue trying to tighten the spring and then the nut comes loose and I can’t tighten it anymore. Thoughts?
One of the nuts would not let me tighten it all the way. I think the weight of our van has been keeping it in place the last 2 years 😂😂
@@oneadVANtureatatime lol okay good to know
how much does your van weigh loaded?
Fully loaded with us inside we are at 8600 pounds. We have been trying to get the weight down over the past year and maybe closer to 8k now.
Why zip ties?
Why does seeing this make me hungry for Popeyes and spaghetti?
+cesalt I don’t know😂😂😂
Is your van 2018?
2017 Ram Promaster with 85k miles