Tectone Is Wrong About Zenless Zone Zero; Here's Why
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- This is how I feel about the situation, let me know if you agree or not in the comments below.
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This video is to not attack Tectone or anyone who agrees with him, I just wanted to give my thoughts and opinions since I do consdier myself apart of the FGC. Let me know how you feel down below.
He already addressed the video for peps that have the same opinion on a 1 hour long video i recommend watching it since this whole "drama" is a nothing burger
@@minayandere2677 I saw it!
@@minayandere2677 That video was painful to watch.
@AbzuLifeweaver yeah it really was but it was the only way to shut up the people that kept harassing him over the comment section and twitch stream. You can also see it on the video that all the new charter as well kept saying the usual stuff like: L tectone, you are r word for the take so on more. It was just a necessary response to clean the chat/comments a bit so I respect it
@@minayandere2677 I can agree with that
Tectone is Tectone, nothing much that can be done there lol
But I 110% agree with Fighting Gamers caring about Gacha, but Gacha Gamers not caring much about fighting games.
To be honest, "Gacha Gamers" from my experience, are super casual in any game they play.
Also, I like how you said, "I am not that relevant enough YET" haha one day!
One day ima keep grinding!
I was a gacha gamer before I was a fighting gamer. Now I have spent more money on fighting games than gachas.
anyone who says therre's no correlation has never been to a big offline event lmao. I see people doing gacha dailies at my small locals personally. There's a huge crossover, especially in the anime fighter scene lol.
EXACTLY
nobody said this, nobody.
I think the idea that there is no crossover between fighting games and gatcha games is crazy. I think one of the most attractive features of gatcha games is that they're very character focused and fighting games are exactly the same way. I was never really interested in playing fighting games all that much but I can still name characters from Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, Tekken, Skullgirls, and plenty others because one thing fighting games are good at is creating iconic character designs because they HAVE to. It's the same thing with gatcha games, the thing they are selling are the characters so they have to be interesting and well designed. It is what attracted me to gatcha games in the first place.
Very true
I think the crazy thing is that only one gacha game had a collab with Moster Hunter and it's not an action game lmao
@@Yesido470 true
A Skull Girls collab with ZZZ would be fun.
KOFAS: lmao existence
Tbh im grateful that genshin set the gacha standard higher, people tend to hate on genshin a lot bc it doesn’t have endgame and for its cons, but tbh before genshin companies wouldn’t even imagine that you could do a high budget gacha game that ACTUALLY sells well while being actually playable and not turn based PNGs fighting, which is dope, after that came tower of fantasy which flopped but still did insanely well despite of their blatant issues, after that honkai star rail and the list just keeps going, unfortunately ni no kuni was NFT crap but it still was a higher standard than previous gacha, i swear ever since genshin everyone just puts more effort when it comes to gacha, even wuthering waves took a lot from genshin, A LOT, and the fact that genshin was a “good” (depending on who you ask) gacha game that might aswell be a fully fleshed game like many AAA’s if it wasn’t for the gacha did really good for the industry, and now genshin has competition which is also good
And tbh i don’t even understand how tectone thinks this collab is for the worse, not only both communities have a lot of correlation, but also, they’re 2 big asf IPs, zenless zone zero and street fighter are both HUGE, even if they weren’t alike it would be a success because how absurdly big both communities are, which would lead to gacha players trying street fighter or any fighting game and viceversa, just like it happened with smash, when steve got into smash even when both games LITERALLY had nothing alike to the point they had to change every map to suit steve’s mining mechanic, steve just brought sooo many people into smash casually and (for the worse) competitively (bc he’s broken lmao), and yeah street fighter probably isn’t as big as steve from minecraft, but characters like ryu, ken, chun li, yara yara are AS if not MORE recognizable than steve because they’re older and pretty much gaming icons (chun li being the first notable female to fight in a videogame lmao)
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@@KetteiThe7th_ikr im that guy 🗣️ but jokes aside there’s literally no way this collab flops unless they want to, they just need to add true to the source designs, and a fun engaging combat, and that the characters are usable obviously they have to be somewhat decent
Amen
Based takes brother
granblue fantasy had at least 2 collabs with street fighter, as well as has its OWN fighting game... WITH 2B AS A COLLAB CHARACTER.
baldimort is just a huge m0r0n, always been, ever since arknights days
Nothing against Tectone
But I think he has pretty much some really bad takes on ZZZ
well damn
He has bad takes.
I respect his drama bait grind
But damn, good thing the guy has money
Coz holy if not for that he's absolutely worthless lol
Tectone never had a good take about anything
no, please, do have a lot against him
the man was thrown out of arknights community for a reason and we should upkeep that because he keeps being like that everywhere
I think it's also worth noting how because it isn't a collab in the first place(it's a roundtable) it's less about what they add(which isn't even guaranteed) and more about making the developers grow closer. Capcom is one of the largest companies in gaming and own several other IP's including Devil may cry, whose playerbase most definently would enjoy ZZZ's gameplay even though it's much simpler so while an sf6 x ZZZ collab(which it never even was in the first place) might not be the ideal collab it for sure gives us a ton of possibilities simply from the companies having a good relationship.
That’s very true
i want lore accurate virgil in zzz
@@GarethXL PLEASE
Though i can't lie, sf6 characters in ZZZ would go hard
Coulda just stopped at tectone was wrong and 90% of the time you’d probably be right.
Well damn
God was literally just about to comment this. He’s kinda a creep with L takes
While I sometimes enjoy Tectones stuff I find his takes are more often then not wrong.
Well damn
tectone himself was in a sf6 tournament hosted by his company OTK 12 days ago, half the participants were gacha players, the evidence he is asking gacha smack for was literally in his own company, why would gacha gamers have sf6 pros coaching them on a sf6 tournament? supposedly people doesnt care right? also he say nier and dmc are a better collab for gachas, nier has collabed with fighting games and nier gacha already close, dmc gacha is doing really bad in the gacha sphere and we can see it closing in a year, now he dismiss max opinion because he is sponsored by zzz, tectone was sponsored by wuwa and hsr, is he a shill too and his opinion doesnt matter? he constantly bashes sponsored people but his points are right even when he is sponsored too? he is an hypocrite and cant stand being wrong, here hoping his fans dont come against you too man they tend to do that with people disagreeing with him.
Well damn
Don't know how he arrived on that take?
The answer is simple. There's is no line of reasoning based on his experience. He's saying this because it can be taken as a controversial take, knowing full well this can stir people up.
He could be but idk for sure and won’t speak on what I can’t say as fact
Not to mention he knows his fans will defend anything he says. Personally I don't care much for the guy it's when his fans get involved and defend him for everything
@@AlexPerez-tt9rubro his fans are the ones calling him out
@@shaquilleauthurs5868 really? Then what's those clown doing in this comment section then? Look at them trying to defend him like their life is on the line
@@KetteiThe7th_ thats the thing with tectone - he is a drama wh0re, been like this for years now. there's a very good reason arknights community threw him out. too bad hoyo players are unable to gatekeep him cuz boy he is just the worst thing
I been playing fighting games basically all my life, I still mad into Tekkan and guilty gear. And ZZZ is possibly my most excited for gacha now. 🎉
You should join the discord then! I have a tekken community alongside the ZZZ comunity in one place, just choose the roles u want to se the appropiate channels!
@@KetteiThe7th_ Cool!
Tectone has a lot of L takes in general lmao
yeah but his sheeps are not aware of that
A guy improving on stream and throwing 100 takes per hour would definitely have a lot of L takes
Yeah and he also toxic too Tectone is the most derespectful streamer
doesnt make him wrong tho
@@juniisenpai3777 I have to wonder what alien interpretation you have of "L take". If it's not wrong or based on a shitty basis, what else is there? That it ain't popular? Nobody cares about that.
its has a move list like fighting games well that something and rexlent pointed out if you parry mobs nothing ...but if parry bosses you slid back from the sheer amount of force.
The part where fighting gamers care about gacha games is kinda true... Cuz idk, I myself grow up playing fighting games. Mortal combat, ultraman fighting evolution, tekken etc. Even at arcade I would choose fighting game or racing sometime. Gacha games just got popular around 2018 and yes the reason I play gacha games now days is bc it's easy. Log in log out done, I don't have enough time to really dedicate to play other fighting game not bc I hate it. So yeah I'll agree with your take.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm gonna be real fighting game players are obsessed with some of the most unlikely games. For example FFXIV for some reason
This is very true
@@cynthiahembree3957 you just described a lot of people including me, a gamer who loves fighting games especially hack and slash and RPG dungeon crawler games is actually likes to play Pou and Barbie games 😂
Sometimes I questioned myself about it, even my friends couldn't believe it until I show my PS2 CD game list to them
Well you know, if it's fun, then I'll play the game and stick with it, that's all
People still don't understand that all he does is create drama to maintain some sort of relevance in the community. That's his whole character. He tries to piss people off to get clout and views.
well damn
bruh tectone has done jack shit for the gacha community. Dont give him that flare. Unbelievable.
Hmmm, idk if I can agree, there are some of his takes I don’t fully agree with yes but he is the most watched creator and that means he has brought a lot of players to the gacha space, whether those players hate him or like him they still came. So I wouldn’t say he’s done nothing
Sounds like a hater for no good reason
Just think of it this way. Gacha community would be better off if Tectone didn't exist. if your argument for his contribution is only his toxic fans, I don't think it is much of an achievement.
@@Vincikun there’ll always be someone who will be good and a bad influence towards a community. Taking someone out won’t change anything
@@Blacknight6577 no, no, in this case, it very much would change a LOT. less misinfo spread, at the very LEAST, which would be already huge
Kektone with his "YES MAN" cult. LOL.
Well damn
I've been playing fighting games for more than 6 years and I'm really interested in ZZZ. I don't know why though. I like the characters and the combat looks fun.
Welcome aboard! Stay tuned for more ZZZ content!
funny thing is, after their drama he din't even bother watching the round table where both developers agreeing that their games are similar.
it was a very interesting round table
yea it was interesting to hear what they had to say!
Being a granblue frantasy versus player and gbf veteran, its pretty funny to hear eggman talking about gachas and fgs having no overlap lmao
egg clown being a clown as always
As a tectone viewer that actually likes the guy and supports him, i will tell you straight up that Tectone said this main bc he on his wuwa glazing arc. So everything else looks mid to him. Its just that simple. He biased against ZZZ, since his first run with the game was unpleasant during the beta. Pair that with him being emotional and you get some ass crack takes; which he then tries to convince his community with dumb logic. Both me and my GF, who play tons of fighting games and were primarily fight games players, are dedicated gacha players. I will be trying out this game when i have time, even though i may not stay with it for long, its because i have little time, not cuz i dont like gacha games as a fighting games player or vice verse.
Bro capped as he often does lol.
Thanks for sharing, also I hope you stick with the game and join the community me and may others are looking to make it a great one!
As a fellow Tectone viewer, where does he say that he doesn't like ZZZ?
You do realize that while everyone has been shitting on ZZZ Tectone has been saying the game will be good? How tf does that maek him a WuWa glazer. I'm not personally interested in ZZZ but like how do you have this take.
@@vjbd2757 he's always talking about how mid the game is? All the trailers he's watched he said were cringe and even just now he watched the LS and pretty much reduced the game to "PDF bait".
Admitted maybe saying he doesn't like ZZZ is a bit of a stretch, it's more like he's biased against it. And is always looking for reasons to say it's mid. Hence why he would say something dumb about fighting games just to take the piss out of ZZZ.
@@cynthiahembree3957 Nah he shits on it every chance he gets as well. Did he say he's going to play the game. Yes. I call him a wuwa glazer, because He makes every single thing that Hoyoverse does be somehow about Wuthering Waves. I admit, prolly shouldn't have said he hates ZZZ. He biased against it, so he takes every shot he can at the game when the opportunity arises. Hence his dumb take about the games communities.
tectone is probably the person you can least trust in these types of situations, he is one of the least objective and least self-critical content creators you will ever see, also tectone really didn't do anything positive for the gach community (currently the It's the reason why drama content became popular) he's just a guy who decided to make the right game content at the right time which made him popular and boosted his career.
Well damn
One thing i want to make VERY clear.
Tectone did not "bring hundreds and thousands of eyes into the gacha scene"
He leeched off the hundreds and thousands of eyes Hoyoverse brought into the gacha scene
Again I promised to not attack him, but I will agree genshin helped him a lot. But also tectone was still successful before genshin too with arknights. So yeas and no to your statement imo.
Also keep up the great guides for the game bro your content is solid!
omegalul
LUL omega
@@KetteiThe7th_ he was "successful" because he's a can of toxic waste ever since before he was thrown out of arknights for outright lying and spreading drama. people really should start gatekeeping him and his community...
Real good take on this topic. I've been rly interested in ZZZ since it was first shown, u earned a new sub!
Ty so much!
I agree with everything that you've said, however I think they went too hard on "casual" side with ZZZ. I've got access and played a lot during CBT2 and no matter what I did I just felt completely invincible, enemies were just damage spounges, they didn't do anything, they would struggle to deal damage to me if I just stood afk and if I was actively hitting them they would not be able to fight back at all. I know they added some sort of "challenge" mode after CBT2, so hopefully it's not as bad anymore, it just felt so easy I was barely awake
it will definitley get harder in the end game, just expect the early and mid game to be extremely easy
I said this on Tectone's video as well. What attracted me into fighting games in the first place, like dbz tenkaichi, tekken, guilty gear etc, was the anime inspired artstyle. Gacha are the epitome of that artstyle. Also as i get older i start to appreciate games that appeal to me that are not super sweaty competitive and are less tiring to my hands.
I can relate to that a lot!
We Will Watch Your Career With Great Interest.
haha ty!
Loved hearing your thoughts! Im not sure if Id call myself a member of the FGC cuz I mostly lurk online and barely go to irl events, but Ive been playing a few FGs for the past 3 to 4 years, and I do look forward to ZZZ for the gameplay and the art direction
Welcome aboard!
Tec is wrong about... most things. Sometimes he's right about a gaming thing but even then and everything else he's... he's just not a great source of good thoughts, lmao.
Well damn
@@KetteiThe7th_ Hey, just callin' em like I see em'. High energy though, I get why people tune in, lol.
I've been a Tekken player since 2005, and I have dabbled in injustice and street fighter. I find zzz really fun and can't wait for the full release, I've also played gacha games between rounds when I'm waiting for opponents and what not
Come join the discord! A lot of tekken players in it!
My best friend that I've known for over 20 years since elementary school is living proof of the overlap between the FGC and the gacha space lol. He plays at least 3 or 4 different gachas nowadays (including AK, HSR and soon ZZZ) and is cracked at Tekken, Smash (even brought his fightstick to a friend's place several years back) and Granblue VS.
He's very much open to the idea of a Capcom-Hoyo collab
Goated!
I wouldn't say I'm part of the FGC, but I've played a bunch of fighting games growing up, starting with Mortal Kombat on the SNES with my dad and big brother. Played a bunch of Tekken 3 on the PS1, Budokai 3 and Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Dead or Alive 2, Mortal Kombat Armageddon on the PS2, Dead or Alive 3 on my cousin's Xbox, Street Fighter 5, Soul Calibur 4 and BlazBlue on the PS4 and so on and so forth.
I completely agree with the statement about Gacha Game players mostly not caring about Fighting Games, but Fighting Game players actually caring about Gachas. I've seen it myself a whole lot in the circle I've been playing in casually. Hell, my cousin recently went and bought a PS2 again and we started just replaying Budokai 3 here and there, basically reliving our childhood.
The thing with Fighting Games and Gachas (at least for me and the people I know) is the fact that characters are the main selling point of the game (well, aside from the mechanical aspect).
I'm definitely excited about the collab and hope it's going to be a success. Actually, I don't "hope" it's going to be a success. I'm "sure" it's going to be. Anyway, I think I waffled on long enough for what basically amounted to "yeah I agree with the point of the video's premise".
Ty for sharing this comment! Stay tuned for more zzz content!
You could have cut the title to "Tectone is wrong" and it would still be valid.
Well damn
I like to think of it as a capcom colab, I've been playing capcom games since the 90's and if the colab is done right then that's a big brain play and could bring a lot of people into the gacha ecosystem.
I was playing fighting games before I ever played a gacha game, I play gacha games and I know I'm not the only one.
Amen, I hope it does well!
I been playing fighting games for almost 28 years(Turing 32 next month) and got into Gacha games since Genshin Impact in 2020 as I’m a Day 1 player on it and still play it. I did play Gacha games before, but I didn’t get really into it until Genshin arrived. But yeah all the games I been playing in recent years has mainly been fighting and Gacha games.
I do watch Tectone’s content here and there and agree with half of his takes usually, but the other half I wouldn’t agree and this is one of them. He just doesn’t know much about the other communities or even care for that matter IMO.
Ty for sharing!
Tectone Dropping shit Takes? Nothing new here folks
well damn
big man, i like ur content pls keep it up and wheres the discord server?
It’s in the description and also in the about me section
Im 42. Hold my beer. And you're right.
Let’s goooo FGC bro
My guy
Forever and always!
Tectone is Tectone, just a guy with a camera and a mic. He often speaks with pure emotion and instinct without an ounce of research and evidence, that's part of his charm which reflects the majority of people who go by their instinct (or they want to sugar coat it by saying it's logical).
I don't know how ZZZ collab with SF6 would work in the sense that both games are different genre. Are they expanding the multiplayer function of ZZZ? Adding PvP? Or just making the animation flashier and feel more impactful when each move connects? Honestly I have no idea how they're going to do this.
I’m excited to see what they do for it tho!
Of course ZZZ could collab with SF6… Genshin collabed with Horizon, Last Claudia Collabed with SF as a matter of fact. All very different games. The idea with the collab is mainly to feature characters, events, locations, enemies/bosses from a different franchises regardless of the genre and not necessarily have the game play like the game it’s collabing with. All they need to do is create a couple SF6 characters using the ZZZ style and aesthetic, implement their fighting kit to an equivalent level and there you go. Any franchise can collab with any franchise, it’s just a matter of how interesting and attractive the collabing franchise is to players.
the collab will just be ryeyou from streets 😂
@@GarethXL lmao
Good video, I think it would be really cool if there was a collaboration between Street Fighter and ZZZ!
Same!
0:44 Well you have 300 more now congrats❤
TY!
In general, I feel like people who are fighting game players but dont play gacha games already, won't really care about ZZZ & the collab. Heck most of these prolly don't even know about the game.
However, fighting game players who already play gacha games will, in my eyes, prolly going to be more interested.
I can mostly agree with that
After hearing u and gacha smack talk bout tis topic , i think imma try play ZZZ soon
Although im not good on fighting games but atleast i have fun to try 🤔
Glad to hear that!
@@KetteiThe7th_ also i already sub ur channel , hopefully u can post some zzz guide in future 😤
I got you!
I also played many Fighting Games during my childhood days like Marvel vs Capcom, Tekken, Mortal Combat, Street Fighter, & Bloody Roar...There is a reason why Mai Shiranui, Cammy White, Chun-Li, Kitana, Asuka Kazama, Ling Xiaoyu, & Kitana Kahn all walked...so that Raiden Shogun, Yae Miko, & Alexandrina Sebastiane can run.
Thanks for sharing!
i am part of the FGC currently maining SF6 juri as a platinum player
I am very aware of this collab and i agree with this video.
I’m still waiting for them to add Sakura why do they always take her out then re add her as DLC!
Bro, baldie can't doesn't even understand how google trends work. He doesn't understand the difference between a "search term" and a topic. What marketing expert? :DDD He's completely clueless and just yaps.
Well damn
Good, logical take. I like how you broke this down. Subbing.
Welcome aboard! Stay Tuned for more ZZZ content!
Good take brother! 😉👍
Ty!
709 subscribers??
Pff let me fix that.... 710 now 😌
Thank you so much! Join the discord and stay tuned for more ZZZ content!
anyone know whats the context of the whole zzz x street figther collab? i really dont understand.. are they gonna make a 2d point of view of the character and just do the same as street figthers would fight? would it gonna be unfair to f2p player since its a gatcha game ffs. or would they will just gonna make every character be the same.? im really confused of the dev stream talking about that collab doesnt make sense
We don’t know yet need more info!
@@KetteiThe7th_ thats what i wanted to know they put like 37 mins dev talk about the collab but zero freaking information. all the dev just did was booty lick how amazing street figther was. was expecting some info since that was a long ass video
True
There's nothing on a collab happening so far. The devs of both games just gathered up to talk and gacha smack said it would be awesome if they did a ZZZ-SF collab while Tectone said there are better collab ideas out there.
So yeah... this thing blew out of proportios for no reason.
Heyyy great video. I've also been a gacha fgc gamer for a long time so it's cool to know that people like us exist haha
FGC all the way!
I really want akuma/gouki as secret boss fight in zzz fr
THAT WOULD BE CRAZY
Fellow fighting game player here and gacha player
I was I fighting game player first as well so it really checks out
One aspect of overlap that you didn’t mention is that both genres are insanely character based
Both are entirely built around the characters, the characters are the lifeblood of both and there is multiple of them all with different gameplay, quirks and aesthetics
The other aspect is that they kinda complement each other, with fighting games being more hardcore and PvP and gacha (atleast for the most part) being single player and casual
I’m usually spent after a big session of any fighting game, so I’d rather play something chill after if I still feel like playing something
I agree!
Got into fighting games a bit late, but I have around 200+ hours total across mostly GG strive and melty blood lumina.
ZZZ definetly has everything I love about fighting games mixed into the gaccha format, and it's very appealing to me as I usually want a small chunk of time everytime I want to get back into fighting games again, but gaccha games are usually very easy to boot up and get more invested in over time, which more easily enables me to experience all the cool parry and combo setup mechanics I love in a more casual setting.
Ty for sharing!
Ngl i used to be FPS Gamer on Mobile and tried some on Console like COD, PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite. Now look at me just playing 2 Gacha Games soon to be 3 incl Zenless. Oh yeah new sub🍷
Ty!
I think tectone is talking about maximilian dood.
1:27 nice reference? cracked me up ngl :,D
I don’t know why I said that LMAO
@@KetteiThe7th_ Dont worry im also 25 and my brain does that too LOL
Made a video about this too as soon as Tectone said the "fg players do not care" comment
🤣. While the "drama" is over, think it did overall show a good amount of the gacha community just have no clue how much the fg community wanders out of their own space
I love gacha game and will always consider myself part of the FGC!
I think tectone was trying to communicate that their money could of been spent better on a different colab like with a game like Nier automata since they have more similarities
yes I know lol, Ive had to respond to this many times now, but I made this video before his talk with smack I get what he was saying now
Im a fgc player played the first street fighter in the arcades, mvc2 to capcom vs snk then played kof all star a gacha snk game but eos on october, played gacha since summoners war and it's true... fgc players do play gacha game :)
Amen bro!
Honestly you can get very hardcore in gacha games. I know there are plenty for genshin and star rail, but my personal favourite is the arknights challenge run scene
Ark knights was fun while it lasted for me!
the thing about tectone is that the man is an honest person (too honest id say)
where he will have ton of take and fact to state about any game, some could be bad take but only a very few amount
his take are brutally honest to the point of he shit talk in most take stating that the company being this and player being that and that just lead to peoples hate him because of it
tectone is somewhat of a d1khead and an as-hole yes but he just being himself at most, an honest guy
That’s fair
As somebody in the comments said:
"Nothing against tectone"
But I genuinely don't understand how people keep siding with him, keep defending him. His takes are almost always a nuisance, he constantly spreads negativity, he's pretty much always just riding the hype wave and baiting people, without knowing what he's talking about. He's like "You're all wrong, I'm the only one right" and then he proceeds to deescalate things by pretending to be chill with everybody. Imo his only contribution to the gacha community is monthly drama.
Let's not tell Tectone that King Of Fighters All Star exists (though ironic timing cause unfortunately they have announced that they will be shutting down on October 31st after 6 long years of service), it's the biggest fighting game IP based gacha ever and had collabs with Tekken (twice), Street Fighter 5, Street Fighter 6, Soulcalibur and Dead Or Alive 6 and Guilty Gear and it's no niche game, it did well and a has few million players.
Wow I didn’t even know that
People really aren't understanding what Tectone has been saying. He never said that there's no crossover between gacha and fighting games, nor did he say that it was a bad collab. In fact, he made a whole video dedicated to explain that he literally wasn't saying that, but rather, he feels that there were other games that could have had MORE crossover than SF6. Whether that be other open world RPGs like Nier Automata, or even other gacha games, I feel like it's a pretty reasonable take to say that although fighting games and gacha games DO have some overlap, there are other genres where there is more crossover, especially when the fighting game represented is not an anime fighter. He never said that there is no crossover.
I also think that it's fair to want to hear more opinions than just a couple fighting game players on it. Sure, the players might have been well-established fighting game players, but they probably don't know the interests of all the different parts of the fighting game community. Even when Gachasmack said that he would go to Tectone to ask what's popular among gacha players, I feel this wouldn't work. Tectone knows a lot about Hoyoverse games and Wuthering Waves, and some outdated understanding on a few other communities such as Arknights and Summoner's War. Although those areas take up a good chunk of the gacha space, it is in no way completely representative of all gacha game communities, and Tectone most likely doesn't even know all the interests and thoughts of the communities of the games he plays. Likewise, I feel it's unreasonable to take a couple people's thoughts on fighting game commity interests from people well-established in fighting game communities and take their own personal perceptions as truth. People are also likely to talk to other people that have common interests and similarly attract communities that have similar interests, so I wouldn't be surprised if Gachasmack and Iyo's perspectives on how many fighting game players are interested are a bit inflated. Now, to be frank, I don't consider myself part or follow the fighting game community, so maybe I (and Tectone) might have just not seen it, but as far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of hype over this collab. The views on the announcement video for this collab are also extremely low compared to most of the other ZZZ videos from Hoyoverse, and while that might not be a perfect indicator of interest, such a drastic difference between videos with almost 1 million views and one that barely passed 80k shows that not too many people were interested in learning about the collab.
I made this video before he cleared up what he was saying, I understood as soon as I saw that but again I made this video before that
I do agree with tectone saying that there are other better collabs than sf. I just dont think he knows how amazing a collab with sf could be. The games a damn icon that people can recognize without having played it. Hell ive never played sf in my life but im absolutely stoked.
I'd honestly rather have this collab thats new to gacha audience that can introduce them to historically iconic games rather than, say, a nier or persona collab (im a die hard fan of those) which are very likely already targeting the same audience.
Also guilty gear x hyv when
GG X Hoyo would go HARD
@@KetteiThe7th_ Or hear me out....Raiden from MGR:R
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I love fighting games! (Most specifically BlazBlue Central Fiction.) If Zenless is like a fighting game, I would totally play it.
Amen to that brotha!
His point was not that it was a bad collab, but he thinks it's not the best and any deal that isn't the best is considered a bad deal in that line of work. Also this has already been resolved between tectone and gacha smack.
Obviously before making this video that didn't happen yet so that's why I'm letting you know.
i saw the repsonse and makeup between them both! I understand it all now, but yes i made this video before all of that happened
The only real fighting game series I always played is Soul Calibur, Gundam Battle Assault and Smash Bros. I tried to get into other fighting games like Granblue Fantasy, Blaz Blue or Guilty Gear but they dint hook me enough. Now the action game genre has many games that remind me of fighting games because you can combo/juggle enemies while traversing the world/stage and feel rewarded by the cool things one can do like Devil May Cry, Nier Automata and Tales of games. Gatcha game try to do the same as being a side grame which is great when you don't have much time as before for gaming.
Ty for sharing!
AYY I HEARD YOUR ATTACKING TECTONE WHAT IS UP WITH THAT LOL
nice troll lol
do people still watch tectone?
He’s the most viewed Gacha game creator in North America, so yea lol. He pulls in millions of views every month
So You are a Gacha Fighter too 😊😁💙
forever will be!
3:40 there is merit why he said that. Especially when a lot of pc/console players dislike gacha's system implemented.
However, I too disagree with how Tectone handled those takes. Again, he didn't add enough nuance/context on why he came to that conclusion
But there are FGC fans, that would love/like to play more fighting games even if its gacha.
5:57 not when you are addicted to the daily/weekly grind of gacha games.
6:38 and it's a system that keeps most other players' retention to the game because of that daily loop.
9:30 agreeable and has truth to it
12:09 definitely, after all, it's how Hoyo makes their games
12:35 did you try it on their beta?
13:22 good for them
14:11 true
15:48 yes
15:52 i don't think so, there is a niche for that. Why shouldn't it be difficult skill-wise?
16:18 very subjective opinion when it comes to *true* difficulty. Not everyone wants the hardcore of Fromsoft games. A lot of different games handle a variety of hard difficulty, different from Miyazaki-sensei's philosophy.
16:36 again dismissing other niches on gacha games. Yes, hardcore content most of the time in gacha games, is RNG/Luck gated but it shouldn't always have to be that.
16:48 we will have to see on this debut
17:19 I agree with that
17:49 hmmm, examples?
18:29 it's because of how Hoyo handles collab from their other games. Yes, it is doomposting but there is a reason from that: from a lot of Hoyo players playing or has played their games throughout since 2020.. Aside from, the Hi3rd and their early fans of Hoyo.
Wow u went HARD on this comment! Lol
Next time you record, you might wanna lean away from the mic just a little bit, your voice has plenty of natural bass, it'll benefit you more to lean away a bit more
Ok, I’ll take that into consideration
You have a smooth voice. You could be a VA I reckon.
oh ok ty!
Tectone is a cool fun guy, but lot of time he's wrong
Well damn
A vast majority of fighting games are on some anime shinaingans fgc definitely care about anime games especially gatcha games.
I fully agree
Classic tectone, making sweeping statements about something he knows nothing about
Well damn
8:00 true but, its not the good kind.... its the bad kind
Yeah but that's the thing, fighting game players who care about gacha games isn't the target audience of the collab, they already purchased the game to begin with or will purchase the game regardless if there's a collab or not. Its purpose would be to convert gacha players into playing fighting games, just like how every other collab is. You said it yourself, gacha players "probably" don't care about fighting games, hence why they're playing a free to play game in the first place. The argument still stands, and there is no value for Capcom to collab with Hoyo. It might convert a few handful of players (assuming they have a console, and/or financially capable of purchasing SF6 on Steam), but not everyone will. Then there's another hurdle of it being extremely competitive, which the vast majority of the gacha game player demographic are not. It's not feasible, nor profitable for Capcom. Now if it's the other way around, like wanting FGC to try out ZZZ, then yeah it is profitable for Hoyo. BUT, the only way I see this pushing through is if Hoyo won't ask Capcom for payment and/or give a percentage of the SF character banner sale to Capcom (being the bigger and older IP of course), Capcom gets a free ad through ZZZ, Hoyo gets new players from FGC to try out their game, everybody wins.
Tectone again... my problem with him is that he thinks that his opinions are the truth, the fact, and anyone who oppose it are wrong/not qualified in the topics.
Well damn
I have been playing fighting games for 25 years now. I pretty much played every major fighting game. Now only play SF6 daily and registered for 2XKO lab beta.
I honestly don't care for gacha games.
That’s fine I don’t expect all of the FG players to play gachas lol
The games should be balanced around mobile phones too, and all game modes should be able to be finished on all platforms. I don't know how many of you played, for example, genshin impact, on mobile. Is not that easy as on PC.
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yea Fighting Game players will be playing a Gacha Game or something else while they wait for their Matchmaking to find an opponent, Gacha game players don't have to wait for an Opponent XD so thats one big Differance.
True!
From watching tectone's content for only a year, I can say he has 20% good takes and 80% bad takes, for gacha games. But I can't seem to fathom why on other genres he seems to mostly have good opinions, probably since he's bias for gachas in general? Or that gacha controversial drama baits is what most of his content is?
I watch him from time to time can’t as often as I used to but been subbed to him for years
Nice take on this, I'm most definitely NOT a fighter game kind of person, so my opinion is kind of in the gutters (I can say one thing, I dont think I'll ever get into a fighting game, hehe). Although I've had my fair share of it when I was younger, Gacha Games are more appealing, in my opinion.
However, a fighting game I did enjoy a lot would be Skull Girls, I just found it fun. Had to delete it because of storage, but it's a good game. So yeah, I don't agree with the Tectone take at ALL (sometimes I never do, lol). But I did enjoy this take. I can say one or two people is enough to prove going against something like Tectone's take. It even strengthens that take (the take that's one going against Tectone's take) if they're a veteran. Sorry for the long reply, but you've earned yourself a sub. 🎉
SKULL GIRLS WAS GOATED
@@KetteiThe7th_Yes indeed. I love the characters, I personally like the girl with the monster hair (I keep forgetting her name). Nonetheless, I had a great Skull Girls experience. A collab with them and ZZZ might steal my soul and heart. I just have a feeling ZZZ and HSR will be good games that I main.
Stay tuned for more ZZZ content!
I'm just scrolling for Street Fighter content as always then I saw this. So basically Gacha community losing their sht over Street Fighter collab.
Also a lot of people I know of, my friends, coworkers, and people I play with Street Fighter and Guilty Gear Strive are also playing Gacha games because they are available in every platform and they are F2P.
Lmao nice
I have a very miniscule attention span, and I hope you don't take this negatively, but getting straight into the point would really be most favorable, there's also this thing with the voice tone, keeping the same tone is hard for my brain :')
Also, I totally agree with your point, people with little knowledge of a field have no right to speak as representatives of it.
I apologize, I usually script my videos to stay on point but this one I just winged it trying to get it out before the topic was no longer relevant.
@@KetteiThe7th_ Best wishes on the channel, I hope you don't give it up :')
@@ninjutsu17 ty
I think that gacha games are more exhausting than fighting games I remember my self playing genshin 8 hours a day like I was working,it very easy to get addicted I haven't play fighting games but I will take your word for it, u can log of any time u want but gacha games don't want that they want u every single day there playing the game because if don't u will lose I will give an example I played honkai star rail when it first came out and then I stopped playing the September a couple days ago I started playing until I was stuck in a boss fight I tried for hours my friends told me it was a skill issue by the way my characters were well build for someone who left the game the think is fighting games are skill based and gacha games don't need skill only luck if want to play this game then good luck u will definitely need it
I can see your point, it is rough coming back to a gacha game after awhile, especially if your F2P
When is Tectone NOT wrong?
well damn
Ah that CLOWN 😂😂😂😂
Well damn
when isnt tectone wrong? why you think his wife left him lol
Well damn
I play fighting games. I play gacha. Please give me ZZZ x Street Fighter.
Amen to that
Gacha games are not a monolith though I'd argue its not even a genre. Theres tower defense, turn based pvp, turn based pve, open world, rogue likes, AFK, MMO, and yes fighting. Anything can be a gacha game.
"The king of fighters all star" is a gacha game
The idea that someone is the face of gacha but only plays 1 to 2 types of gacha is dumb.
The reason zenless gets so much hate is because the people who only play genshin or generic waifu collector 23 doesn't understand there are other genre's of game people can make.
based
i will never understand the hate for this game...is it jus t because its different??
Maybe?
@@KetteiThe7th_ i just wanna enjoy the game for what it is-
amen!
you didn't prove "tectone is wrong", you proved you didn't understand his point: spending X amount of money on a marketing campaign to the fighting community would bring less players then spending the same amount of money on a marketing campaign to players of other gacha games. it's not that "you can't crossover", is just not as cost-effective. that's not hard to understand.
lol, alot of you have been commenting this. I do fully understand his side AFTER his talk with smack, before his talk with smack it was hard to understand where he was coming from, and mind u I made this vide before he had his talk with smack. Now that the talk with smack has been done I understand very clearly. its not hard to understand my friend
@@KetteiThe7th_ I didn't watch his talk with Smack either. Just Tectone's vid and now yours.
gacha player love gacha game, and fighting player love fighting game, so collab bad.
well damn
Gacha is the monitaziaton of the game not exactly calling a genre of games.
I see