Genshin's NEW ENDGAME makes players MAD!
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Genshin Impact has a PROBLEM with its new ENDGAME Mode, the "Imaginarium Theater" and the community is MAD about it!
So in this video, I will go over what has happened, why this is a problem in the first place and also what you can do for your personal account to adapt to the new META.
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What do you say? Imaginarium Theater "Yay" or "Nay"?
Tbh, although i have enough characters and finshed is all but it's a Nay i can't play cohesive team just unga bunga which i don't like killing the elemental reactions system which gives the fun of genshin combat
Garbage bin
nay, mainly because in order to enjoy the mode im gonna need to build more characters, and building characters is SUCH a slog, and you get basically little to no resources so you have to hyperfixate on one unit as opposed to maybe spreading them out to at least 3. it makes it a pain to pull and it's part of the reason I've just stopped pulling for new characters and started getting cons for furina instead.
nay. I am quiet far in the game but not much carackters builded and i only could have the gamemode easy sinc ei have not enough for like the normal mode let alone the hard mode.
Pretty awful game mode imo. Team building is completely scuffed due to random additions to roster. Content is scaled down to be laughably easy in order to accommodate the limited roster and scuffed teams, which in turn makes the combat dull and unengaging. Playing off-meta teams due to elemental restrictions could've been interesting had boons given massive buffs to empower teams that would otherwise struggle to perform and content could've been scaled to match, but that's not what we got with imaginarium. Only redeeming qualities atm are the aesthetics and character dialogue between acts. Only a few voice lines for each character, but it's something at least.
Definitely a nay for me.
Veterans hate it because its not hard enough, casuals hate it because it's too restrictive.
I've also heard some veterans that have a few very minmaxed characters and they now fell flat on their face because of this :O
Classic hoyo L
Am I the only one who is happy. Atleast we get some primogems
The fact that the Abyss favors vertical investments and this theatre favors horizontal makes it worse for everyone who isn't a whale who wants to clear everything and get all the rewards.
@@ariyanclown7732 we get 1 extra pull per patch
0:30 What is the actual problem of Imaginarium Theater is?
Me: "Party must contain 4 members"
I 100% agree with this! If you're gonna give me a Vigor system, let me only use a character or two when I want to. That way, I have more choice and flexibility.
This 100%!! I wanted to save up vigor because some DPS units are already self-sufficient like Arle, but was surprised it won't let me play without a full party. I just end up putting some excess unbuilt DPS in place like Diluc.
Yeah, this is the dumbest part.
YES, I could destroy the room with only 1 or 2 good invested and buffed characters, but no, I have to bring my useless party members as well
So what I’m hearing is, they introduced a new end game that forces you to build multiple characters. And are doing absolutely nothing to increase loot rewards?
That pretty much sums it up ^^
It would have been awesome if the theater and abyss both reset every 15 days, we all would be happy to invest for more primogems, but what they did? ...More effort for the same rewards as before.
they increased the monthly rewards tho
Too hard....extra pressure.....no time....is this end?
My only issue is that they should've added more trial characters for the people who don't have enough characters 🤷♀
Yeah taht would've also been nice. Have the main cast well built the way it is now and then some more 4* trial characters that are only lvl 70 with only 4* artifacts or something so that they are weak enough to motivate you to get your own ones in the future but decent enough to even start the mode in the first place ;)
Every time a new event or something like this releases, i just think about how the environment models, art, etc. Have infinitely more effort put into them than the actual gameplay.
The new "endgame" mode is artificial difficulty. It's like wanting to play a more challenging game so you decide to handicap yourself instead of increasing the difficulty. Lazy.
For me, as a F2P player, is literally hell. This event is non-friendly for F2P players and needs many characters, exp, and materials. If you run out of or don't have all these things, you are 100% unplayable. In the next month, the elements change to other elements, If you don't have any characters (Geo, Dendro, Cryo,...), you can't play any mode (Expect easy mode)
The real issue here is the resine, for the new end game content you will need to have many if not all you characters leveled up and build up but how are you gonna do it when you only have 200 resine with an almost 27 hours cooldown! (26 hours 37 minutes) and you need to invest in ascension materials, talents, weapons, accessories, tons of gold, etc. See? The real issue is the resine, too little to build up soo many characters.
If you want us to build more characters, provide the tools to do so. Remove some of the barriers and limitations of grinding. Give more resin and/or reduce resin cost for bosses, domains, and ley lines. There are so many characters now, the severe time gates and limitations are not as needed.
I'd like for them to allow Boss, Ley Line or Domain material drops even without resin. Just lower the maximum drops players can receive once their resin hits zero. That way players can still farm, it'll encourage more encounters against all the boss monsters, and it'll encourage more playtime.
I didn't have any expectations for it, and I was still disappointed. The issues I've identified thus far are:
1. The elemental restrictions force you to play teams that you're not used to with characters that aren't built for those types of teams, which results in an uncomfortable experience.
2. The vigor system is too limiting. I would've made it 2 vigor for 5-stars and 3 vigor for 4-stars.
3. The time restrictions for a lot of stages are unreasonable. Most stages felt like the 12th floor of the Abyss with how long enemies were taking to go down. You'd think they'd give some leniency to compensate for the awkward teams you can get railroaded into running.
4. Despite so many characters being available in the game at this point, they still don't have enough variety in roles to give you flexibility in team-building. For example, we still don't have any electro shielders aside from Beidou and her shield is locked behind her burst (and a constellation).
5. They expect me to shift around my artifacts, and I simply refuse to do that. The artifact menu has always been too much of a mess to deal with, and I, for one, am not changing my burgeon Thoma build to a shield build just to be stuck having to find his old set after the fact. They have the ability to save your characters' gear for your whole run of Imaginarium, even after you change it outside of there, but they somehow can't figure out how to let us save our loadouts? Not buying it.
6. Building a single character takes forever. Talent books alone take several weeks, and artifacts can take months depending on the build. And they expect you to have 6 characters per element (on average) built for this?!
7. Being forced to make a party of 4 each time can potentially lock you out of later stages if you don't unlock enough of your alternate characters.
8. They only let you borrow 1 character from friends, which I wouldn't have a problem with if they didn't sell it in the 4.7 livestream as "Don't worry! If you don't have enough characters built, you can borrow from friends!", acting like it would make such a huge difference when you can go through a whole run without ever seeing that character if RNG doesn't favor you. I think the limit should be increased to 3 total characters, one per friend.
9. Retries! I suppose you could retry over and over again until you clear, but I have better things to do with my time. The fact that there isn't a "quick retry" that allows you to skip the team-building screen if you want to re-use the same team can also be aggravating.
10. Stage effects! These were really unnecessary! Especially the one I encountered in stage 7 where your whole team starts losing HP until they're dead if you take too long.
11. The interface had me confused for a while. Like all of their tutorials, explaining things clearly is still an area of weakness for the devs.
12. A lot of the options for buffs seemed limited to a select few characters, which doesn't help much when they run out of vigor.
Overall, it's excessive. Between elemental restrictions, requiring a dozen characters to even start the run, forcing a party of 4, strict time limits, stage hazards, and enemies with inflated HP... Calm down, Hoyoverse! Pick 3 of these, not all of them at once!
As for me, I'm going to treat it like the Abyss. I'll do the stages that I can do comfortably and skip whatever looks like it'll take more than 30 minutes of my time. Between Imaginarium and the Abyss, you can get a maximum of 106.5 wishes over the course of a year, so if you're feeling the urge to pull more than one 5-star per year solely for this game mode (because you feel like you need them even though you don't like them), you'd actually be better off ignoring these and just doing events/dailies while playing the characters you actually like.
Fully agree with #3. With an ideal team these limits are easy to deal with, but with a sub-par team you're not used to playing, you are on the razor's edge of failure on the later stages. What I expected to take an hour to finish extended to three because of all of the retries I was forced to make. I very nearly gave up on clearing stage six on normal.
Skill issue
@@Lennis01
I was able to clear hard mode after having to retry a few stages, but it didn't even feel satisfying in the end because of the awkward teams. I feel bad for people who are having trouble with even the lower difficulties. One friend in particular has been working so hard and has learned so much about the game in the past few months, only to be slapped in the face by the elemental restrictions. I blame it entirely on bad design, but in the end, I think it's important to maintain perspective as a player and remember that the rewards are not worth the time, money, and frustration (hence my last paragraph above). There are plenty of better options for your time and effort, and if you're looking for a new game, the Steam Summer Sale is currently running until next week.
@@felipevillanueva6171 YOU try clearing stage six with Clorinde, Wanderer, Electro Traveler, and Faruzan. It can be done, but not without pain. It also didn't help that I don't have Clorinde and Wanderer on my account, and haven't yet built Faruzan. Skill takes practice, and most players don't bother practicing with characters they're not ready to build. Team practice is also essential. An otherwise capable team will look like trash if you don't learn their optimal rotation, given such strict time limitations.
Great write up! I agree with everything you said
a big problem is that it replaces an entire abyss reset (so you get roughly the same rewards) so people who cannot complete it are losing out on quite alot of primo that they would’ve had. you need primos to pull characters- we already don’t get many. so now theyre taking a decent chunk away from players, leaving them with less than before. and you need more primos to pull for more characters so that you can actually do Imaginarium theater ☠️ they did not cook as usual
facts
my biggest issue now is that I am forced to use 18 characters, but I have only 13 total available.
Additionally, I have to use all 4 slots, which consequentially leads to having 18 characters at level 70
Yes, I also think if you wanna go with a 2 unit team then the game should let you do that ;)
- Cant even attempt hard mode if you dont have 12-18 characters build level 70+ of specific elements
-you can only use a character 2 times
-you have to play full team (4 character)
-character you get in different stage are random, so no team building
This mode is just so bad it's beyond imagination
they should just remove the element restriction
well that kinda defeats the purpose of it being an endgame mode. The challenging part of the abyss is the high levels of the enemies. Unlike here, where enemies are just the same or almost the same as the overworld ones, the elemental restriction provides that challenging aspect that endgame modes should have.
For AR 35 people, the enemies are not lv 90 lol
@@definitelynotabroccoli8684🫵😡
Genshin players: " the game is so easy i can't use all the characters that i have, there's no reason to pull and no incentive to build more characters lol i can nuke everything and have shieldz, release end game lol"
*easy end game is released*
Genshin players; "omg what's this?! why can't i beat everything with 2 characters? what sorta of psycho made this?! it sucks make it easy please i can't beat it!!!! abyss please come back"
@@noelvermillionshilling4178 more or less ya lol
Too real 🤣
I logged in and gave it a try.
I thought, "This is like Spiral Abyss but with team restrictions and Paimon."
Then I logged back out.
and Paimon?
(I've done a few days, but I just thought of Simulated Universe)
Letting us farm however much we want and having the resin only be there to speed up the process would get rid of this problem pretty much instantly.
I don't know how you got these point of views, but I've seen that from CN perspective.
From a non casual player point of view, the game mode is very bad for other reasons, being:
- you can't play real teams
- even playing scuffed teams (such as Arlecchino, Clorinde, Wanderer, Kuki), you're fine to clear a stage
- the cost of 80 to get characters is always more powerful then 60 for buffs
- buffs are horrible, because if you used 2 Vigors for Arle, and then you get "Pyro normal attack buff" it's completely useless
that was the endgame side of it, and honestly, clearing is funny, but any challenging at all
For casual players and early game players, the game mode's restriction is gonna drive people mad. But the issue is more because the mod suffers from RNG, and also because Genshin has released almost DPS's only for years. Hence, we're locked with a few good supports to use. If you are early, you probably only have Bennett, Xiangling, Fischl... So w/o Beidou, Sara, Chevreuse, Kazuha, Venti, Xianyun, yes, it feels just harsh
They need a couple of events with 5 to 10 times the amount of rewards they usually give, I’m talking extra mora, hero wits and crystals so that we can at least have a chance to level up a couple of characters, even if we have to grind for all the ascension materials.
My only problem with Imaginarium Theatre pretty much is that It's just another Spiral Abyss, It will get tedious and repetitive very quickly.
it got tedious and boring midway on first run
They literally should have just made this More like that event with child and xinyan. It's practically trying to be that event but more complicated for seemingly no reason.
I'm out of level materials because I was levelling Sigewinne.. _I physically am over this bs where genshin gives bare minimum on artifact rolls and then they expect u to spend damn near everything just trying to level and build one character or waste weeks of time doing so._
well, as a WISHLESS player I can say I legitimately can't complete the hardest difficulty because I actually DONT have enough characters of the necessary elements this time around to even start it haha.
“It’s an endgame mode” some of us have lives outside Genshin, Sharon! Excuse me for playing a game for about 3 years while also having to focus on getting my college degree and can’t spend my time building every single character or having the time to easily get a whole lot of primogems to pull for characters!
This isn’t hate to OP, I agree with him.
I work 60 hours a week and I am very busy during the week ends yet I can still clear just fine.
That's a bad excuse honestly.
You can also just play a game that doesn't require that much time like Genshin...
Very nice video.
Easily the worst part of Imaginarium Theater is the insane barrier of entry (the character amount requirement). I agree it feels worse because we’ve been conditioned to not need horizontal investment for so long & being held back by the resin system does not leave a good impression. It’s a shame cause the gameplay itself is kinda fun.
Ah yes. The horizontal investment was probably what really made players mad. Artifact farming is a headache.
Now I’m being forced to build characters I don’t use and waste materials I would’ve never used or used on a character I wanted to actually build they want us to be broke honestly at this point in done with this game😢 I could handle the cash grab gacha system but this is wayyyy to far
If you build a "tall" account, you'll do well in the Abyss, but poorly in the Imaginarium Theater. If you build a "wide" account, you'll do well in the IT, but get stomped in the Abyss.
Players lose either way. The only accounts that benefit are the whales, or the ones who have been playing for years. The anger is understandable.
I have a wide account and the abyss thing is just a lie except floor 12 which i dont care bout
Dude, building a tall and wide account with F2P resources is possible, you just need to be strategic in pulling for:
DPS of every single element
Sub DPS/support of every single element
This has always been the rule in Gacha gaming
@@skybattler2624 You also need a lot of time and luck, depending on who Hoyo decides to put on a banner. Accounts less than a year old hoping to build a great cryo team literally can't because the best cryo support (Shenhe) hasn't gotten a rerun in ages. There's also the issue of resin, which has a direct impact on the number of characters you can equip and build. Because of how the progression system works, as well as the Abyss, I don't build individual characters, I build TEAMS. Unless I have the resources to build a new team to the same level as my established teams (currently at 70), those characters stay on the bench.
@@kingalex105x7 Floor 12 of the Abyss is the bar most players have set for themselves, and it is no lie that teams that are not hyper invested at least in artifacts are going to get obliterated there. That's more true now than it was in the past.
@@Lennis01 this exact idea actually became a reason why Imaginarium Theater has to exists.
I play cryo teams and deliberately chose to skip Shenhe as I personally did not like the idea of a 5* Cryo buffer as a sacrifice of a CC or healer (hence why I prefer Charlotte when she soon got realized, as she compresses the role even if the buff isn't the same), and have fully dedicated my Cryo teams as an AOE destroyer for Abyss, although I do have plans for Shenhe pulls in the future.
Resin issue isn't an issue if you plan ahead. All I did is just have a daily plan of 1 boss drop of a target character, and either the rest into one target character talent mats, or into artifact farming. Sunday is ALWAYS for weapons (as it is the easiest to farm), and in 2 months, I have 12 characters built with a decent Stat Value (not Crit Value, Crit Value is just a noob trap because it focuses only on 2 stats out of at least 4 that are useful), and decided to build even bad characters knowing how Gacha games work (they always try to screw meta over, and bring back the old Meta suddenly to screw the new players and buy old characters)
Problem is, you treated Genshin as an RPG game and built like one would build Pokemon builds, focusing on team synergy. But Gacha games don't work like that. They lure you into getting used to a meta then screw you over the next patch.
Imagine the Seasonal Element is Geo, Anemo and dendro 💀
Communication is the main problem here lets be real
My problem is they took the primos from the previous iteration of the spiral abyss and put it into this new endgame. I will be missing out on the total amount of primos in endgame to wish for new characters. Another problem for me is why pull any character if you wont be able to use it in the new endgame
So you're not able to complete this at all? You'd only have to beat medium difficulty to still have a net increase of primos with new abyss rewards + new endgame mode
I already completed the hardmode of this event but my other acc with only dendro team comps is having trouble. But does it really give a net increase on medium diff?
@@arkgensis9723 800+620 per month instead of 600+600
As a F2P, what I hate the most is the restriction on elements. Yeah, I don't have that many built characters, but I have enough to at least attempt the challenge. I hate when I can't even form my team because my characters don't match the required elements.
It can be solved if they allowed less than 4 characters on a team or removed the element restriction.
Or they implement an elemental buff where you get buffed using Electro, Anemo and Pyro, but you can use other elements too. These chars are just weaker - non buffed.
they should make the reward system better so it can be easier to build
Yep. Blessings are too niche too situational it makes them totally negligeable.
@@Sirindilable fr. trying to level even a 4 start too level 70/80 feels so taxing
@@thaben390 you will only need 70/70. If only you want the extra blue wish then up it to 70/80
New players shouldn't be able to finish end game content easily. It's the whole point of end game content, you need to reach end game first.
"Veteran players" should be able to gather enough resource over the course of the last 4 years to level up at least 50 characters
Not sure how the game mode will move forward, but as of now it's too easy compared to the Spiral Abyss.
All in all. The resin limitations need to be lightened up. Either a flat 50 primos per x60 or incorporate resin rewards ALOT more frequently. So we can actually grind and play more...
For me, this is interesting content. I'm not a whale, so I "caught" and built various characters, testing different types of gameplay, usually catching them having floor 12 in Abyss in mind. Unfortunately, I couldn't cope with F-12 well enough to get 6-9 stars, and with patch after patch, my performance was getting worse. What's worse, farming artifacts became a chore and frustration. Imagine when, after 3 months of daily farming, you still can't find the last good item and you run around with the 3 worst stats and maxed DEF in the 4th item... I changed the way I played and when I was satisfied with the character I was building, I started building new ones, testing them and playing with them. Often, old items that were still good but worse than new ones ended up on other characters. I felt some frustration when my friends laughed at me because you can transfer artifacts to other heroes, so why am I keeping these items - in their opinion, they were garbage. This made me feel like these characters were being wasted and now I had a chance to use this army for the first time lol. When I entered the theater, I was prepared for a bigger beating than on F12 Abyss, but to my surprise, I won all the rewards on the first attempt, and for the first time in almost 4 years of playing, I'm really happy with myself, even though I didn't complete all the tasks on every level
My only problem is the artifact grind. How can you build your character properly if it is always going to defense or hp, if they can fix this problem then I’m ok with this.
You can use half build and get to go, the first season has low floor tho so enjoy
Whoa, people aren't happy they can't use the characters they spent 2 years perfecting? Shocker...
Its insane how you build only 2 teams across the span of 2 years
@@Kokichus Almost if I''m being hyperbolic... Does the length of time matter? Not everyone no-lifes this game. Some people decide they like a certain character or playstyle and just C6 a R5 a team. But hey, damn those guys right?
@@TheLovedUnbound i myself have hyperinvested in few characters. Its not an excuse to not built 4*s and standard 5*s. There's a cap how much your resin can give you in terms of one character (xp, mora, talent books, weapon mats) excluding artifacts, which get less and less probable to improve each time you get a new better piece.
Thats the point where you want to build more characters, the game already has small incentive to ascend your unused characters (blue wishes), so why not do it? I understand if youre new player, dont have resources to build one hyperfocused team, but grinding the same domain for years is just stupid and a waste of resin and time.
On top of that almost all character's BiS/second BiS can be acquired from strongbox so getting enough artifacts for all your characters shouldnt be an issue if you actively play the game long-term
@@TheLovedUnbound gamemode is very much clearable using free units. The fact you didn't invest in them even tho your main doesnt gain anything more from future investments is all your fault in poor resin spending
@@Kokichus Let me be clear because I think you misunderstood. I can easily clear this event. It's not a question of difficulty, it's about how enjoyable the experience is when you can't play characters/teams you bought simply because Mihoyo decides so.
Randomizing is NOT a good mechanic to enhance gameplay, it's lazy and undermines the entire 3 year gameplay loop. You don't get random typings in Pokémon every time you battle because that's stupid. You plan everything out and invest in a strategy you enjoy.
The majority solution is to borrow characters you don't like/care about to clear. It exemplifies why this mode does not build on Genshin's strategic combat system. It's an alternate that 's completely isolated from the rest of the game.
Genshin has been sold in a way players can build and play whomever and however they want. And to take that limitless creativity away and devotion to characters in exchange for "random bull sh*t go" isn't an equal trade.
I am just angry! Now I‘m sitting here, building AMBER because I don‘t have enough chars qwq… and I probably won‘t ever even use her again
yep, just a 70lvl bot in the team
Imaginarium theater + spiral abyss is like the game telling you "spend 10,000$ to win," plus the resin cap.. dude this is a contract! 2 years of your life and 10,000$ and you too can beat Genshin Impact! Because the banners are even morrrreee restricting as well, even if the banners did all just come out too, youd run out of primos faster than barry allen's attention span in ap calculus! Idk if this game is for me anymore man..
Well.. I mean I only have one 5 star at ar 40, I can't even beat the spiral abyss.. These videos where theyre like oh bennet and [insert other good 4 star] are really good! And what's in todays banner, hmm.. Oh! None of them! Time to wait till next month.. 😕
skill issue, completed imaginarium and spiral abyss 36 stars completely f2p. and took a year break last year (hence im still ar57).
@@seraby7151 still ar57, bro thats like 3 to max? ive been playing for like 3 weeks
the mode is just there to increase FOMO to make people to pull more characters. It like everything else in the game is not hard it tedious to do and if you want to do it faster you have to pay for it
I think the main issue of this mode is that it takes everything what makes genshin combat fun and everything that makes rougelike fun... and throws it straight out of the window, and thus... IT is increadibly unfun to play
I still think spiral abyss is the better endgane content compared to imaginarium theatre.
Imaginarium theatre is a bit restrictive and not actually that hard.
But hey! AN ENDGAME CONTENT AFTER THE DEVS SAID THEY WON'T RELEASE ANY ALMOST 2 YEARS BACK.
It's definitely a step in the right direction, and I'm glad i can actually spend more time in this game.
The Inazuma event with the paper doll feels better as an game than imaginarium trash
@@Soparandom true
It's not really end game if it is easier than Abyss 😂
I thought abyss was easier
Fr this is easy
The problem is the game not having enough characters the average player would like to have a "wide" account in the first place. Too many character kits suck.
And even if there were enough characters you like, where is the resin and primogems to obtain and build them? Nowhere.
There's no problem with it except they are SO STINGY with the rewards 🤮🤮
i mean cmon why did they have to make the debut rewards a ONE TIME DEBUT REWARDS???
It wouldn't hurt to give them along as MONTHLY rewards right? I mean cmon it's MONTHLY !!
The only issue i have is the element restrictions. The characters i have synergise poorly and I don't have them built well
I feel the real issue most of the player base don't wanna to build there character, is because most player shared there materials with there character at is already done rather than give the other character there own set
although i can only clear up to stage 4 right now because of my lack of characters and being f2p (as well as a returning player in the past few months) i'm actually pretty optimistic about this because it encourages me to build characters that aren't necessarily in the meta so it will allow for more variety in gameplay
I actually really like it but I don’t have enough characters😭 I’ve been playing for almost 4 years and I still don’t have 18 characters for those elements to play in the hardest mode, because I’m so unlucky(I lose every 50/50 lmao to Mona)
This requires both wide and tall. Not just wide
So part of the problem of Imaginarium Theatre is the requirements are almost an exact opposite to Spiral Abyss? What a nightmare/s
Seriously, I think I may really like this gamemode way more than Spiral Abyss, so possibly, this may be my new endgame mode of focus in Genshin :D
Also loving that this mode rewards me for considering pulling and building multiple characters, with their own weapon and artifact sets. Plus, creativity in drafting and playing a variety of teams. Guess I now have justification to save and pull for Navia and Wrio at least, despite already having Itto and Ayaka. Without worrying about powercreep. And I guess I can try to work towards building Gaming despite having so many Pyro DPSes.
And some of the points of issue can also be said about Spiral Abyss btw. I guess if you want to 36 stars the Abyss, you have to pick mostly meta characters (unless u whale for underrated characters to get as much out of them), min-max to the fullest, you cant build other characters cause thats resources wasted, and Archon help you if your favourite character isnt supported by the Abyssal blessings, nor enemy line-ups, and the worse is, you have no option to use trials characters, nor friends. So you as a player are forced to adapt to that reality. Especially when that was the only option of endgame available.
"So git gud, or ignore it casual" was the treatment players like us received about it. So yeah, I feel less sympathetic about this.
I hate that they could have just literally made the elysian realm or simulated universe, but instead we get this game mode that feels very, idk aimless and unfun?!, its restrictive but doesnt give anything in return to make the restrictions fun, its also not hard in a meaningful way (interesting mechanics) so it very much feels lifeless and like a chore or a shitty artifact domain.
Feels like the trial events we get every patch 💀
Who leaves their 4 stars at lvl 1? Only one lvl more and you can grab a fate. Missed opportunity there.
Mihoyo literally said they don't want to stress people with endgame content they can't complete but now made a more stressful endgame mode with more rewards than abyss, and I got none of the special guest stars so they're just there mocking me.
This game is 4 year old now. If u still don't have enough characters to enter that's on you only.
@naqibfarhan4356 I can enter the hard mode. It's just not FUN when you have a gacha in gacha and a FOMO special guest system. I'm a player from 2.0, stop brushing off players' clear fair opinions like what I said (I'm not blindly hating). I literally quoted Mihoyo, and what if I focused on specific elements not in the 3 choices, then I'll be screwed. That's a lot of primos I'll be missing out on, and I just came back to the game after a month break from burnout.
This is hell for casual player who only has 2 teams build up for abyss
And then on top of that, add that the majority of players play with elements that are restricted there. So to only have eight (or 8 - 12 depending on the player) characters built, out of the which you can only use a few is just terrible for f2ps and new players.
Rip I only have artifacts for 5 chars (Xiang, traveler, Benny, neuvi, raiden)
I personally never could've 36 sttared the abyss. I started in 2.5, when imaginerium theater came out i maxed it out all rewards everything the same day. I personally really liked it tought it was cute and fun. I do think that it does fit into genshin cause we finally have a new mode and a new spin on genshin. For some reason what ever the devs do they only get hate. Yes they are greedy and not the best but they take their time and do their best.
2:03 bullshit as someone who has played for a year+ straight up don't have enough character's in each element to even start the hard . normal was a struggle to barely get pass a few levels kazuha had to solo 2 times
Everybody's gonna cry when Geo, Cryo and Dendro element is at theater the same time 😅
Hoyoverse can't not scream stingy in genshin impact. Here's the characters some of you put hundreds of bucks into, you can use them twice in this new mode. There's a chest on top of that insanely high hill that you will spend 5minutes climbing because of the horrible climbing pace and maybe even fall onto your death because we put a slippery slope at the top, take 2 primogems. Here, answer the survey we will that we will never use to improve the game for a whopping 30k mora, isn't that insane???? Also look at all these quests that have some good story telling but 90% of crazy bloated yapping (just like this comment), you'll probably spend 1 or 2 hours doing them but you'll get an absolutely immeasurable quantity of 60 primogems! Enjoy.
the problem lies with the current segregation of players, we need more categorization beyond World Level 8 / AR 60
if you further categorized players, then we can implement like, an added difficulty multiplier based on the players World Level on an expanded scale (maybe even reach WL10 or beyond)
Brother are you in need of a local legend level enemies in the overworld , I am AR60 I think the game difficulty is just right
My take on the whole thing is this: The rewards it gives are so miniscule its just not worth spending time building all of those 4star characters. It just takes too much resin to get the resources, be it talent mats or levels, or weapons, and even with that its the same genshin over and over again, random weak enemies piled together with nothing to give back. Also what was the point in pulling all those 5 stars if i cant use them whenever i want? As a whole it would have been better if they returned that one mode from 2.something where it was dungeons generating randomly with random buffs each time, it would have been way more entertaining and would have bigger replay value.... the way genshin is rn is sad with this basically fake difficulty locked behind leveling up trash characters you wouldnt otherwise use, or damage sponges that just tank the damage, not saying they need to make harder enemies or anything like that, but at least make an enjoyable mode that can actually be for anyone (case in point: the randomly generated dungeon)
The problem with genshin is that they use force for everything. This shines when instead of incentivising us to use the characters, they force us to do it by locking any other characters. This could be fixed so easily if maybe the boons only catered to the elements chosen in the rotation, or if the characters just got a straight up damage increase in their rotation. But somehow, almost on purpose, they chose the worst possible way to implement this. It's like they're trying to see how unappealing their game can become while still maintaining an audience.
It's not that it's hard, it's just that I don't give a shit about it. Goals.
I think this whole thing can be solved with giving players more resin and the ability to stockpile over long spans of not playing, additionally the elemental limit being too much of a restriction.
Wait, people say its hard??? I mean, skill-wise, its dumb easy, it just requires a few too many characters to be built, I literally beat the last boss with klee. I understand if people say its "hard" because of the build requirements, but ouside of thats, its very easy.
I did want to add, I dont like this gamemode for being so restrictive and (if you have the characters) not challenging in the slightest. I find it to be insanely unfriendly to any player that hasnt played for ages like a few of us have which I hate, a lot
Well this mood atleast give you people something to look forward to ( building more characters of different elements that you would not normally use ie. geo) rather than using the same bennet /furina/hyperbloom teams till the end of time.
@@naqibfarhan4356 but why cant they just use the teams they like? They are forced to build characters they wont use outside of the Theater because they just dont enjoy them, they just have to for the primos, is that fair? They are demanding for people to build way more characters without even adressing the resin and farming issue.
PD: do also take into account that a ton of accounts could beat abyss with 2-3 solid teams and now they'll be getting less primose cuz once every 2 resets they wont be able to fully star the theater
@@felpblade3.029 if u are able to fully complete spiral abyss, and only do imaginarium theater normal mode, u still get a bit more primos compared to before
@@higuys_8073 the only reason we get so many primos this time is cuz there are first clear rewards, but on the next reset max you can get is almost the same as abyss, if you do it on a lower difficulty you'll get less
@@felpblade3.029 I never mentioned the first clear rewards, if so I will also include spiral abyss first clear rewards.
The original which is 2x SA is 1200
While with both SA and IT combined increases the max primos obtained to 1440 I think.
So even if u only do IT normal mode u still be able to get more rewards.
to be honest, this only bring struggle to newbies. my day 1 account just blitz thro this like nothing. newbies should not expect to run end game contents like this without struggle.
Not a newbie, just prioritized the characters I like. Also, some of us can’t spend our entire lives building characters, some are trying to get a damn degree or have jobs.
This was made for me, as I build every character just for not leaving them low. The builds are mid and I struggle at abyss from time to time.
But this was a breath of fresh air and I hope they correct all the issues without changing it to abyss 2
They should remove the stupid talent books restrictions.
Next Imaginarium Theater restricted elements: *Dendro, Geo & Cryo.*
Goodluck. 😂
Bruh i got 1 dendro, 1 geo, and 2 cryo decent characters. At least make one of the elements hydro cuz i got like 5 or 6 characters
@@rebbanua They are joking of course. The actual next cycle is already leaked to be hydro/cryo/anemo.
@phoenixlau it wasn't per say a literal comment, just saying that the amount of flexibility that I have compared to the current theater is very limited
The only challenging part of this "endgame" is being able to participate. The content itself is equivalent of floor 9 of the abyss which makes all the blessing irrelevant. HOYO had an intent to test accounts horizontal investment but instead of incentivizing it they cut half of the roster by stright up banning them. Like how does it even make sense??? It doesn't work on so many leveles it insane. I didn't expect it to be as good as HSR endgame but holy shit it turned out worse than the Abyss. At least you get easy rewards
New players: We don't have enough characters to qualify!
That's because it's mid- to late-game content.
Veteran players: The characters we have aren't strong enough!
Then _make_ them stronger.
That sort of criticism should _definitely_ be ignored as it's people either not understanding what the content is for or being too lazy to properly engage with it.
I do agree that the amount of characters needed to fully complete the Theatre might be a bit _too_ excessive, so perhaps an additional charge for each character could fix that issue.
On the other hand, the time it takes to _build_ a character can often be too long, and the new game mode runs the risk of making players spend so much time waiting for Resin to get resources that the Theatre runs out before they're done.
All-in-all, the community should be discussing the _root_ of these issues instead of complaining at the first roadblock they encounter.
The time and resources needed to make a character strong can be a problem. For my experience focusing on getting most of my characters at lvl 90, it takes roughly around 3 weeks per character to get them to lvl 90 talent lvl 9/9/9 if i really like a character and I have all resources except for boss drops and weekly boss drops. I know this metric is a little to much, even more with how a lot of people had this mentality of not leveling characters to lvl 90, but this gives an idea of how much you need to do to fully invest on any of them. All this without even considering artifacts in the mix.
Veteran players like me complain because it is way too easy. That's not an endgame mode, more like a character checklist for primogems. It's badly designed with no challenge.
Mfs when the endgame gamemode requires account investment:
My friend who has c6 eula sweared how difficult it was 🤣
it’s just dumb and disappointing, imagine rerolling for gruper in monolith defence, it’s not even hard it’s annoying, the teams you end up with are not even real teams and yes if you don’t have enought characters your cooked ( wtf is up with must have all 4 characters) imagine if hydro was there there is like only 3 4 stars characters in that element Barbara xingqiu Candice , and most people have only xingqiu build and rest are 5 stars you not ony need decent build characters but a lot of build characters and even if I don’t have problem with that people who are not playing since beginning are cooked again , and any f2p with not so much 5 stars. In my opinion this can’t be called endgame, even abyss is less luck and more skill dependent, and that is saying something. Plus what the fu*k is with elemental rasizm like this game is about reactions what’s the point of excluding half the reactions every month. Plus the audience of this bs of a endgame content just got halfed from people who can even 36 star abyss. Some people enjoy minmaxing that’s their main way of enjoying the game it was enought so far but now if they want to clear all endgame they can’t anymore and that’s why it sucks. Plus players build mostly for meta or characters they like and for this sh*t you need to pull even more and for characters you might not even like or that are not even that good like tf is that , that’s not even endgame that’s just a greasy greedy money grab with lowering abyss reset.
As a AR50 player, I could only do easy mode…. It’s too hard and very restrictive [i’m ftp]
As it should be for you. It is still hard even for when i was AR57 to clear abyss. AR50 still has too few built chara
That's fine, you are not endgame yet.
New player here and I'm not that far into the game but
isn't being forced to widen your horizon a good thing? like, correct me if I'm wrong and I see that people might find it annoying but
what use is all that genshin experience if you spend all the time in the game playing the same eight characters and two rotations? why not build four stars you've never played and learn what they have to offer? genshin is a game with many characters and you can still use your 8 great characters in the abyss, that's not just gone. the game just challenges you and wants you to try more of it and I don't think that's bad...you might find someone that you enjoy and never knew otherwise.
Yeah but its done in a bad way. Imagine instead of a pair of chopsticks you are given a ladle and fork because it's "interesting" that way
@@pyronado4320 I don't know about you but I can work with a ladle and a fork
It's kinda bollocks to claim it's an issue of only building a few characters. I have 13 teams made, each of them has a different dps. But dps characters aren't the problem. Supports are. For Pyro I have Bennett and Thoma and that's it. For Electro I have Fischl and Shinobu and that's it. For Anemo the only character I have is Kazuha. I also have Heizou but until now he's always shared his artifacts with Kazuha because until now I've never needed to run them both at the same time. That is not enough to play this game mode, because you run out of supports by the end.
I have characters I haven't built but plan to. Jean, Sucrose, Beidou, Razor, Keqing, Yanfei. But Razor, Keqing and Yanfei are all dps characters. I never wanted to build Xiangling but I guess I'll have to if I wanna at least beat act 6.
I think restricting characters is something that will always bring backlash. Instead they could have allowed us to use all characters and just made pyro, electro and anemo characters (and possibly all the reactions between these three elements) do 3x more damage or something.
Then they'll make the enemies health to be 3x more sadly
Fyi, this "Phase of the Imaginarium Theater, is catered to "Pyro, Anemo and Electro". It encourages Overload and Swirl Reaction Teams, making Chevreuse, Venti, Xianyun, Heizou, and other niche characters not related to Melt or Vape, to be used more. Something Neuvillette, Furina, Navia fans are probably livid about. Adapt or Perish, noobs, your Skill Issue is showing.☺👍
If Imaginarium Theater were an addition to Spiral Abyss instead of replacing a circle then it would be fine.
I don't even have 18 built characters for hard mode, lol. Could clear normal at least, but still annoying.
As someone who has focused more on vertical investment i still really don’t care about the issues (besides the ar 35 thing). I am f2p btw
If and when i play abyss it’s not because of the mode but the rewards which strips it of personality. Small changes to spice up an event like this go a long way in variety (different looking chambers, character restrictions to make you think about your choices and these like random events that shake up the mix). I may not be ready for this mode, but i’m excited for an endgame that is inherently different and fresh.
My biggest shock with this is mostly that apparently not everyone builds many characters. I have a ton of characters build. Some way better than others, of course, but I always like diversity in my game. Yes, the spiral abyss is often hard for me, but I like that I can use different teams to look what works. This mode only improves on it.
If I was a whale, I would have plenty of level 90 5-star and 4-star characters that I would've felt very worthy of building for years. I just started 5 months ago or less, and I just wiped the floor with the 2nd difficulty. Well, I was wiped the first time, but then I did what you're supposed to to, and didn't use my powerful characters until later. The game mode literally gives you characters, too. I still need to try the last difficulty, so maybe they throw in some BS there. Paying attention to whining through making a video is probably the reason for the moderate amount of dislikes on this.
Also, the music is cool. The later fight music in the 2nd difficulty felt really different and cool, so I hope the final difficulty continues this.
You forgot those who spent a lot of money on certain characters that are now locked away because hoyoverse decided to play racist and ban certain elements.
Not racist
Its elementarist
The main problem is that you can't use certain elements and still have to have 18 characters above lvl 70. Now this time around it was Electro, pyro and Anemo. But what if Geo is one of them the next time? 90% of players don't even have 6 geo characters let alone lvl to 70 or above. For whales that is no problem but for f2p players that is almost impossible. I have been playing for over 2 years and only barely was able to do the hard one. Even though i easily cleared without using certain characters
When it comes to Geo then I am F'd up, too xD
I only have Zhongli built and that's it xD
As a f2p Ar 50 person who plays I’m always on top of new ways to get primos, but I feel handicapped because I don’t have very many characters and it takes a while to build up characters or even save up to get primos to get characters you want. So as a f2p player I feel a little upset because not everyone can invest money into a game or characters so we can get some primos that makes the game less fun and more of a hassle. Because it just makes it a bit harder to grind for primos for the characters we want in a way. I like imaginarium theater and the new way it can bring a bunch of primos to our account but I also wish it wasn’t so restrictive on f2p and new players 😅
They should let us use less than 4 characters in a team. So that you can save good characters for the bosses.
Exactly! The amount of times I had to sacrifice characters only for it to turn out I would need them later...
Id rather they allow us to use all 18 characters right from the start. The rng of characters given to us is the very thing that makes this new mode suck ass. Element restriction, 18 lv 70 characters, full party slot and vigor system are fine, we still can make strategies around those restrictions and make synergystic teams. The rng just ruins it so bad by forcing us to play SCUFFED teams while we know we can plan ahead and use better characters for certain stages
@@Wreckedandruinedand I hate that we need so mamy characters still... Like imagine when there's a season with cryo and geo...
@@ghostface4729 yeah when that happens were doomed lol but i dont think thats gonna happen (unless hoyo really wants to troll us)
Well that's why it's called end game, you need to spend some more time to build other characters, so you have something to do. But as a casual player, I only enjoy building characters that I like, so this end game is a no for me
Wish they would've literally ripped off simulated universe from hsr
I always built wide because i like so many characters but i never got all that far in the abyss and eventually just ignored it. I think i will have a lot of fun with this new mode.
Then that's exactly the mode for you, nice! :D
For me as a CZcamsr it was also pretty easy since I by definition have to get a lot of characters but barely have the time to make them really OP ^^
After I learned what the bosses would be I can admit this mode isn’t THAT hard. But I still didn’t have fun as the restrictions feel arbitrary and not like it actually adds anything to the game. Most characters on my account are built, so that’s not an issue for me. But also, why have outside element characters if u can’t even use them unless u have them?? Like I thought sigewinne would’ve been a freebie unit to use, but nope she’s locked away.
I also do not like that all end game content are now locked for a month. If they’re gonna do this we need way more rewards and resin changes. U also make good points abt the account investment issue at all levels. I hv a friend that’s played for awhile but only invested in a few units, they can’t beat the mode last I spoke to them.
Side note, but free Aloy. I want to share her with my friends and anyone interested in using her. Also she’s my cryo main and I want to be able to use her during the cryo cycle. Same with traveler, there is no reason to lock them.
Also, in my most humblest opinion. There is nothing absolutely nothing the developers could have done to avoid backlash. People will always find something to complain about.
Nah in this case specifically they could've done much better. Like what do you mean this is what we get when there have been so many combat modes in events that people liked.
True. It's the internet! :D
@@pyronado4320 so true I agree with your opinion they could have done better like what you mean it's our fault for being mad at the characters limitations and elements not all are Wales
I hear you guys, but this guy is absolutely right. Genshin has had the endgame bone for the longest time, that it didn't matter if it's perfect, a very specific set of loud individuals are bound to pick it.
Personally, I don't mind. I personally have horizontally invested on characters, so it's fine for me. And even if I didn't, it took me a year to 36 star the abyss an an f2p. I don't see why people not spend time building their account for this.
You keep saying how new players won't have enough characters to participate, but it's just not true. Easy mode only needs 3 characters of your own (plus one from a friend). If anything, this mode is super newbie friendly with renewable primos accessible right from the start, thanks to trial characters. Sure, getting all 8 acts will take a much more mature account, but then again 36 stars in abyss is also something that takes time to build towards.
I honestly dont get this Hoyo obsession with endgame that has reward resets. The way I imagine this new gamemode to be perfect is, if you have a very easy part that resets (or just leave that to the abyss) and then a part that doesnt reset, but its final stage would be extremely hard, possibly even at the line where even whales really struggle. As the game progresses and people get stronger, they could add even more to this endgame making it again extremly hard. This way people will have the challange of a proper endgame without the feeling of being left out of all the rewards.
Alternatively, instead of increasing the AR requirement they could reduce the character level requirement and the number of characters needed for the easier modes.
Also, another issue the mode has is that you need characters of specific elements while the game continues to have a very limited selection of characters and banners available at any given point, making it even worse for newer players.
I can do the abyss, but can't even enter normal mode, cause all i needed was two teams, and because i'm f2p that's what i was invested in, on those characters for the abyss, because 3 of them are hydro, and other elements that most aren't those in the theater, then i can't play, so basically, my reward has been decreased, so yea, i don't like it + building now so many characters to get into the hard mode with good artifacts and weapons and such would takes too long, and because it's so hard to get new characters it's just a pain in the ass that as someone that can beat any content in the game and any boss is beatable, i can't participate.
maybe give us more trial instead of demanding us to use only our characters for the requirements
another good solution btw could be either make getting characters (and upgrade them) easier or either let us choose a lot more then one character from friends, that way even if you don't have the characters, your friends might have that and fill that instead of you
Tbh, they should Just change the resin sistem so that people Who don't use them still have them, like you don't use 160 resins then the next day you'll have 160 stacked up instead on giving only 40 to remake 200
Just don't have enough characters to finish it. Of course i'm mad!
It is too difficult! I can beat abyss 12, but that defense stage, f that!
Genshin heard people say they wanted reason to play different characters in end game, and gave us a mode with extremely limiting character choices. So frustrating.
Why couldn't they just copy what star rail is doing?
I actually really like it I just don't have enough leveled up characters 😔
(Edit : in my opinion it encourages me to get and level up/build characters I normally would just leave at level 20)
Same here. I just level them up to 20 to get the fate. And I built mostly healers and supports so when I tried the theater, I was not able to meet the required time duration. I am now forced to build some DPS units. But I am not complaining. I actually like the challenge.
its basically rewarding people who have spent a lot of time collecting characters on the game which is nice because i have a lottt