The Carpenters LIVE - "We've Only Just Begun" - orig. '71 color VT

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  • That voice... For MORE, LIVE numbers from Karen, hit • Karen Carpenter LIVE -... and • The Carpenters LIVE - ... and • The Carpenters LIVE - ... ("Groupie", "Close To You" and a different performance of "Groupie" - all in original color VT).
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  • @xrustynailsx
    @xrustynailsx Před 6 lety +77

    Jesus Christ she sounds EVEN better live than on the studio. This woman's voice is otherworldly good.

    • @edwardkim2511
      @edwardkim2511 Před měsícem

      She sings this just like the record. Spot on !

  • @linmichaels414
    @linmichaels414 Před 8 měsíci +31

    I was lucky enough to wait on Karen , Richard and their band at a Howard Johnson restaraunt 1970. They invited me to their show at the Marco Polo lounge in Hollywood Beach, Fl. We sat maybe 20 ft. From Karen.She was lovely ❤ My boyfriend at the time went with me and we married in 1973. Our wedding song "We've Only Just Begun. We just celebrated our 50th anniversary in August. I will always be grateful for meeting them.

    • @slayer7682
      @slayer7682 Před 5 měsíci

      grew up on the other side of the causeway. Looking at the Marc polo. I used to sneak in there they had a small arcade with few games. Good times! I miss going to the Rascal House and I remember all the old motels along sunny isle beach and Newport pier. Ocean walk in Hollywood beach. Born and raised in Hollywood and North Miami beach, Hallandale, Dania. LOL your comment just brought me back, very nostalgic. I haven't been back in years. But I know it's all changed down there. The Howard Johnsons, If I remember correctly, it was right off 95. We used to eat there a lot when I was a kid.

    • @linmichaels414
      @linmichaels414 Před 5 měsíci

      The HoJo' I worked at was directly across the street (Ocean Blvd.) from the Marco Polo Lounge. Also waited on Kenny Roger's and his family when he played there . Lovely people.

    • @BarryandGary
      @BarryandGary Před 3 měsíci

      What a lovely story, thanks for sharing.

    • @linmichaels414
      @linmichaels414 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @BarryandGary Thank you! it's a treasured memory. When my husband and I sit outside at night and play 60s & 70 s music.. Our song is always in there.

    • @BarryandGary
      @BarryandGary Před 3 měsíci

      @@linmichaels414 That's really sweet and sounds so picturesque.

  • @gavinspalding
    @gavinspalding Před 7 lety +244

    No electronic interference. Just raw talent!

  • @roberts1924
    @roberts1924 Před 8 lety +174

    Truly one of the finest voices of our time. So sad.

    • @folkfingerstylefreddy2154
      @folkfingerstylefreddy2154 Před 7 lety +12

      Robert S The best female voice ever in my opinion. The clearest for sure!

    • @jonanthony6078
      @jonanthony6078 Před 3 lety +6

      @@folkfingerstylefreddy2154 she has no weaknesses just perfect

    • @tommybewick
      @tommybewick Před 2 lety +4

      The finest voice of a generation..

  • @bigm52
    @bigm52 Před 7 lety +70

    How many of you cannot listen to the Carpenters without being moved to tears?

    • @bigc7326
      @bigc7326 Před 5 lety

      Because im not bent.

    • @philrob1978
      @philrob1978 Před 3 lety +4

      @@bigc7326 I think the lady protests too much. In other words, grow up.

  • @cedainty
    @cedainty Před 9 lety +201

    This song was playing on the radio 44 years ago as I drove to the church to marry the very man she sings about.
    Yes we'd only just begun, but we are still together, sharing horizons that are new to us.
    We are still learning about each other, he 77, me 72.

    • @marcushemmye1458
      @marcushemmye1458 Před 9 lety +8

      Awww ... So sweet! Keep living the dream!

    • @Perthshire
      @Perthshire Před 7 lety +9

      Hope you have many more years together

    • @PrivateJoker0119
      @PrivateJoker0119 Před 5 lety +7

      most beautiful comment I've soon in youtube so far. spread the love woman!

    • @RonnieD1970
      @RonnieD1970 Před 4 lety +2

      Awesome

    • @katnapper1966
      @katnapper1966 Před 4 lety +3

      The very man she sings about? This song was written by Paul Williams and Roger Nichols for a bank commercial. The Carpenters only picked it up to play as a full song afterward. I'm not understanding what you mean.

  • @DanDryDixie
    @DanDryDixie Před 10 lety +98

    A voice that will live forever

    • @daveparsons3907
      @daveparsons3907 Před 10 lety +1

      THIS VOICE MAY COME CLOSE TO LIVING FOREVER...you decide.
      Google "JASMINE LAMPORT Breathe youtube"...enjoy.

    • @k-man-wz3bx
      @k-man-wz3bx Před 4 lety

      best comment

  • @bertodelacruz2447
    @bertodelacruz2447 Před 8 lety +179

    in an era when songs had meaning and voices we're not auto tuned

  • @johnmason9655
    @johnmason9655 Před 3 lety +39

    A voice that has never been surpassed. Just beautiful.

  • @MarcusStaAnaBurSelF
    @MarcusStaAnaBurSelF Před 3 lety +44

    Can we all take a moment to appreciate the quality of this footage. The people who remastered this quality, thank you very much. Karen will live on forever and ever!

    • @jamesmmahoney
      @jamesmmahoney Před 9 měsíci +3

      This is a from a live BBC concert televised in the UK in 1971. The full concert can be found elsewhere on youtube.

    • @unclewilbur8976
      @unclewilbur8976 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@jamesmmahoney Thanks for confirming what I thought.
      Last night I watched the whole BBC concert, and I thought the same thing you said. 😊
      Karen!!! ....I just love her.

  • @kac327
    @kac327 Před 7 lety +75

    My idea of heaven is to have Karen sing love songs to me all day

    • @SUGAR_XYLER
      @SUGAR_XYLER Před 6 lety +7

      she had an angel's voice

    • @cnjgnd
      @cnjgnd Před 5 lety +2

      yes...me too!!

    • @bruschmidt9943
      @bruschmidt9943 Před 3 lety +2

      True, but defies the meaning of RIP. That's why they left us recordings 😎

  • @mightysaturn5133
    @mightysaturn5133 Před 9 lety +45

    ...that voice was...just wow

  • @sheilamullard1535
    @sheilamullard1535 Před 7 lety +50

    Fabulous Karen Carpenter, a voive with perfect pitch and tone, nobody comes close with a voice like this.

    • @algalogames
      @algalogames Před 5 lety

      Karen Carpenter, Maureen mcgobern and Amaia Uranga

  • @tomduda1343
    @tomduda1343 Před 7 lety +28

    She just had an otherworldly pretty voice

  • @robertdegeorge9199
    @robertdegeorge9199 Před 9 lety +64

    amazing voice...unlike anything I've ever heard in my 55 years on this planet...

    • @fool4singing
      @fool4singing Před 8 lety +3

      +Robert Degeorge ...and we never will again.

    • @a.k.4533
      @a.k.4533 Před 8 lety +5

      +Robert Degeorge YEP.......ADORE HER VOICE AND THEIR HARMONIES!!!

    • @kevingomez8735
      @kevingomez8735 Před 8 lety +17

      Yes, pure perfection, I'm a Hard Rock and Metal fan at heart but when I hear or watch Karen sing I get emotional She was absolute pure perfection and full of soul. God rest her soul....

    • @whitdogg1827
      @whitdogg1827 Před 8 lety +4

      +Robert Degeorge
      She's singing live...imagine that.

    • @brianjavellana6866
      @brianjavellana6866 Před 7 lety +2

      One amazing voice!

  • @geliep
    @geliep Před 6 lety +41

    The thing with her voice is it's just so so so clear! I understand and relate to every story...and that's the way music should be. A story with a tune.. Her voice is like liquid gold! So smooth! So clear!

    • @bruschmidt9943
      @bruschmidt9943 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I agree 120%. What I don't agree with is Rolling Stone's Top 100 "Greatest Singers" of All-Time. With #100 just making the list, Karen Carpenter was ranked #94 -- what!?!? I kept listening & finally we came to Bruce Springsteen. A guy I can seldom understand any words he's singing, ranked #37. I stopped listening after that BS. Bruce was a great entertainer. Karen should've placed within the Top 3 "Greatest Singers" on that list & many would say #1 😎

  • @StargazerNorth1
    @StargazerNorth1 Před 8 lety +12

    This was on the radio today and it struck me how powerful Karen Carpenter's voice actually was. The length of time she was able to hold those notes and make it sound so beautifully effortless...awe-inspiring. Rest In Peace, Karen.

  • @Nikkithedog-t6b
    @Nikkithedog-t6b Před rokem +3

    Wow one of the rare non lip sync or background track performances and it's fantastic.

  • @sutrasofdelight
    @sutrasofdelight Před 2 lety +18

    You can tell Karen is quite tired here but her voice is still pure POWER

    • @marmaly
      @marmaly Před 11 měsíci

      Agreed. Good perception. Not at her best. But still better than most!

  • @cedarshoals529
    @cedarshoals529 Před 4 lety +14

    i am absolutely floored by this live version! Just when I thought I had heard them all and run across this masterpiece! Sure do miss you Karen.

  • @KirbyYoung
    @KirbyYoung Před 8 lety +44

    She sings like she just speaks. Damn. Amazing

  • @robertmiddel1028
    @robertmiddel1028 Před 5 lety +22

    Karen Carpenter had just a silky smooth voice, she didn't need electronic help, pure talent!!!! No singer today can match the talent she had!!!!

  • @kianjoseph
    @kianjoseph Před 8 lety +32

    What an absolutely beautiful voice.

  • @cherubimbean4180
    @cherubimbean4180 Před 9 lety +51

    Sometimes one of God's Angels does visit Earth. Karen Carpenter was one such Angel.
    Thank you Karen Carpenter.

    • @markmeade2937
      @markmeade2937 Před 2 lety +3

      And god took her back to his loving arms and left these beautiful memories

  • @annettesjoy
    @annettesjoy Před 3 lety +11

    If only she could come back and show people what true talent really is. She has an ability to make a bad day great. Her voice is so calming.

  • @crystalgirl50
    @crystalgirl50 Před 8 lety +103

    A wonderful voice silenced way too soon!!!

    • @napazalea3379
      @napazalea3379 Před 8 lety

      Ikr 😔

    • @jumpinjojo
      @jumpinjojo Před 7 lety

      Bev Isom If she only ate hamburger!

    • @deha11mo
      @deha11mo Před 7 lety

      Salvation is free forever for everyone that believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
      Jesus Christ died for our sins and He was buried and He rose again the third day according to the scriptures, to save us from eternal judgement and give us eternal life.
      Believe it in your heart and Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and you will be sealed unto eternal life forever. Guaranteed!

    • @jumpinjojo
      @jumpinjojo Před 7 lety +4

      dehallmo's Thunderhaus What the fuck are you talking about??

    • @deha11mo
      @deha11mo Před 7 lety +1

      Do you believe it?

  • @The_Iron_Pilgrim
    @The_Iron_Pilgrim Před 3 lety +11

    An outstanding vocalist. One of the greatest ever!

  • @maamrods6297
    @maamrods6297 Před 8 lety +26

    love this song, it makes me think what if shes still alive today, she died at the age of 32 so much of life ahead.. :(

  • @phrogbubba8769
    @phrogbubba8769 Před 3 lety +9

    My favorite female voice of all time. RIP.

  • @BenDitGamesons
    @BenDitGamesons Před 4 lety +13

    GOOSEBUMPS! Holy cow, I love Karen so much! I've never got so heavy goosebumps like in 0:20. So clear , so much soul, love in her voice

  • @larrydrozd2740
    @larrydrozd2740 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Its not just Karen's unworldly ability to sing like an angel, THE BAND can pull off this song LIVE ....with all the harmonies!!! On a set for television too. I don't care what genre of music you play, these guys and this band are incredible!! Any musician that has played live in any band can understand how good this is.

  • @robertocampo8107
    @robertocampo8107 Před 4 lety +7

    I was just getting born when she sang this song live. I'm 48 now and I only can pick a handful of singers that captivates me when they sing live. She is one of them. Her voice is one of a kind.

  • @user-ik9mo8wm7q
    @user-ik9mo8wm7q Před 5 měsíci +1

    Usually when I hear the word “remastered” I’m like yeah whatever, I can’t tell the difference. But this appears to be way better than the original 1971 footage that I’ve been watching for years.
    I can really tell the difference. Great quality. Especially from 1971.

  • @cnjgnd
    @cnjgnd Před 5 lety +6

    this is MAGIC in a voice !!

  • @pattycakelove
    @pattycakelove Před 4 lety +4

    I'm 22 years old and listen to them because times are bad in 2020 and I need simple times and calm beautiful raw talent.

  • @MrScubacat
    @MrScubacat Před 2 lety +1

    Our Song day one. Now 40 happy years later(august 15 ) we’re listening and saying we Still have just begun

  • @richinkle1
    @richinkle1 Před 12 lety +6

    A voice with more resonance, clarity and pathos than any other I can think of. Her singing literally reaches into your soul and pulls you into hers.

  • @dinovinciguerra7757
    @dinovinciguerra7757 Před 8 lety +10

    A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH ----- THE EPITOME OF LYRICAL MUSICAL PERFORMED BY THE QUEEN OF MUSIC - MRS
    CARPENTER - MAY HER MUSIC LIVE ON FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

  • @RosePetal17
    @RosePetal17 Před 7 lety +11

    Such a beautiful live performance!! Oh, such a voice!!!!

  • @davidmitchell4089
    @davidmitchell4089 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This lady's voice was special and unique. There will only ever be one Karen Carpenter. This music is timeless and will live on forever.

  • @strawberryseason
    @strawberryseason Před 10 lety +13

    Nice to hear this live.

  • @rkmugen
    @rkmugen Před 8 lety +10

    The more videos I watch of Karen's performances, the more and more I fall in love with her. And at the same time, the more and more heart-broken I feel....... it's PAINFUL! :( I know she's up in Heaven somewhere, singing in the presence with many other vocal legends... not like some kind of "lonely cloud"!

  • @MCmammajama
    @MCmammajama Před 10 lety +3

    When she sings "so much of life ahead" I cry. Every time. The most perfect voice ever.

  • @er1073
    @er1073 Před 3 lety +1

    My first wife and I danced our first dance to this song 11 September 1971 it didn't last. But this song still remains one of my favorites.

  • @kennethblackstock7224
    @kennethblackstock7224 Před rokem +1

    Award winning song, originally debuted in a wedding-themed television commercial for Crocker National Bank in California in the late winter of 1970, with Paul Williams providing the vocals.

  • @brianr4214
    @brianr4214 Před 4 lety +13

    A mistake I'll regret for a lifetime, never attending a Carpenters concert .
    Those sounds will never be duplicated again.
    She stands alone in that light imo.

  • @content4502
    @content4502 Před 3 lety +5

    Perfect pitch.
    Perfect timing.

  • @rebeccajoy7459
    @rebeccajoy7459 Před 6 lety +6

    Such a pure voice, a rare talent. She sings so effortlessly. RIP Karen xxxx

  • @Hrileyx
    @Hrileyx Před 8 lety +5

    Shame she died, fell in love with all her Christmas songs when I was little never heard a voice like hers, before or since 👌

  • @Javernoss
    @Javernoss Před 4 lety +3

    imagine have a voice like that.. imagine sing so amazing effortlessly. Cant relate.

  • @isu-7822
    @isu-7822 Před 7 lety +1

    04/22/2017: 48 years to the day/date (1969) that Karen & Richard signed with A & M. Thank you Karen, Richard, and band members for all the wonderful music you created. Many thanks also to Herb A. & Randy M. for giving The Carpenter's the opportunity. Missing you terribly Karen, and I am planning to play/listen to all of your singing and music today.

  • @JacquiCrawford
    @JacquiCrawford Před 9 lety +20

    the voice of an angel....I can listen to their songs and her voice endlessly....

    • @normandavenport7136
      @normandavenport7136 Před 9 lety

      The voice the voice.

    • @JacquiCrawford
      @JacquiCrawford Před 9 lety

      ***** thank you!...glad you enjoyed....:-)

    • @reddwarfvi2246
      @reddwarfvi2246 Před 9 lety +1

      If she could only have seen her own beauty through our eyes she might still be alive.

    • @JacquiCrawford
      @JacquiCrawford Před 9 lety

      Bill Wilson I know..... it's tragic? What does it take to make humans appreciate what they have and be happy with their lot?...We are so hard to please...:-)

    • @reddwarfvi2246
      @reddwarfvi2246 Před 9 lety

      She was very beautiful. I had a crush on her. 😊

  • @paulscofield5444
    @paulscofield5444 Před 2 lety +2

    Maybe my favorite Carpenters version of all the Carpenters versions of this tune. Partly because of the reminder that women used to wear peasant skirts and blouses like that in the early 70s, partly because she showed her very human side by forgetting most of the second line of the lyrics (but recovering nicely), and, most importantly, because Karen appears here happy and light. I'm afraid she did not have a whole lot of that in her life. But what a voice. Woo.

  • @sisterluke
    @sisterluke Před 8 lety +39

    best pop artist ever sorry she died

  • @kendallhernandez1327
    @kendallhernandez1327 Před 4 lety +2

    oh how times have changed, i wish i was born in this era. such class, elegance, and pure talent

  • @rci30
    @rci30 Před 5 lety +1

    My man with the tambourine. Killing it just like he did in the video. This sound would be Nothing without Karen's voice and tambourine man's skills.

  • @robertgrant008
    @robertgrant008 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Beautiful will never forget her ,even now her voice gets me deep

  • @edl6026
    @edl6026 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Silky smooth voice and vibrato. Great full tone voice.

  • @shubidowa2351
    @shubidowa2351 Před 8 lety +6

    What a voice. Must be an angel...

  • @candythomas4355
    @candythomas4355 Před 3 lety +1

    September 19, 1970 their song came on the radio on our honeymoon back to college

  • @3kastners
    @3kastners Před 11 lety +2

    Love the Carpenters. I was born in the late 60's. Karen's voice is unlike any other I've ever heard. Heavenly.

  • @adamholtz733
    @adamholtz733 Před 3 lety +4

    Pure perfection in song and voice is Karen Carpenter !!!

  • @markdibble7220
    @markdibble7220 Před 4 lety +2

    Karen carpenter is the only female vocalist that brings me to tears her voice just melts my heart. Born in the early 70's I was lucky enough to feel her touch at a young age.

  • @kratog
    @kratog Před 4 lety +3

    She was an angel. Miss.

  • @fogodechow7735
    @fogodechow7735 Před 2 lety +1

    so much of life ahead always gets me she died so young and they had so much more to do not just musically but brother and sister sharing life

  • @emergencyrecorders
    @emergencyrecorders Před 9 lety +7

    Karen is fantastic - I nearly had said, as always. Don't know if she realized on stage that the wind instruments are a bit obtrusive, but I admire her self-control given the goofy drumming. Oh my God - she would have beaten the pants off that hack. Into the bargain, she would have sung same nicely while playing the drums herself.

  • @mikekavanagh8952
    @mikekavanagh8952 Před 10 lety +10

    Such a great singer to die so young,bless her.

    • @mikekavanagh8952
      @mikekavanagh8952 Před 10 lety +1

      Yes unfortunately she died young of anorexia.

    • @mikekavanagh8952
      @mikekavanagh8952 Před 10 lety

      Hope all good with you Angel haven't heard from you in a while.

  • @unclewilbur8976
    @unclewilbur8976 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I'm in love with Karen!!!

  • @paulevans3105
    @paulevans3105 Před 6 měsíci +2

    She was awesome!!!!!!!💔

  • @BarryandGary
    @BarryandGary Před 3 měsíci +1

    I love this woman, the backing singers sing lower than normal in the harmonies and she ends up backing up the backing singers.

  • @sydnee11
    @sydnee11 Před 10 lety +11

    Her voice is so gorgeous, such a shame.

  • @karla3612
    @karla3612 Před 5 lety +4

    love her dress..

  • @michaelrb323
    @michaelrb323 Před 12 lety +1

    Her soul left her body; her soul never left her voice. Incredible!

  • @chanw426
    @chanw426 Před 11 lety +1

    It almost breaks my heart to listen to this song given the way Karen left us but it is so beautiful I listen anyway. Godspeed to you Karen Carpenter, I know you are singing with the angels now!

  • @littlestar5521
    @littlestar5521 Před 10 lety +27

    OMG i prefer this to 'modern' music!

  • @lyradguitar
    @lyradguitar Před 7 lety +1

    This is the best it will ever get...angelic tone!!! RIP Karen.

  • @blanchemarieacha9391
    @blanchemarieacha9391 Před 7 lety +3

    I'm only 18 and I like all of their songs and I'm inlove with her golden voice. ❤❤❤
    Hi to all millennials!! 👋

  • @packerjip9665
    @packerjip9665 Před 4 lety +2

    What a voice. Live!

  • @joannemcbride1494
    @joannemcbride1494 Před 4 lety +2

    Beautiful

  • @vincentdiguardi8584
    @vincentdiguardi8584 Před 2 lety +1

    Absolutely perfect

  • @tomrg392
    @tomrg392 Před 10 lety +2

    Her voice has touched my heart ... I love her.

  • @niteboatermusic
    @niteboatermusic Před 8 lety +2

    gorgeous Karen here for sure. Prime time. An angelic voice and a touch of touch of the deep in perfection. Karen you were magic, your song writing partner wrote some truly great stuff. Will never get tired of hearing your voice !!!

    • @johnhuddleston8647
      @johnhuddleston8647 Před 7 lety

      niteboatermusic What I thought was really sad was that they just finished a concert in Vegas and a critic made reference to her being the "chubby sister". And that got everything started and her health went downhill. SAD.

  • @alextripp1230
    @alextripp1230 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just unmatched quality xx

  • @TheJVelez
    @TheJVelez Před 8 lety +9

    CRYING!!!!!!!!

  • @billieabbott3198
    @billieabbott3198 Před 8 lety +1

    On a whim I looked and listened to this song, so far back in my innocent youth. I saw the Carpenters at the Chevron Hilton. How beautiful. How sad is life. And for me I thought I had only Just Begun, but not to be, so sad not to share when you are getting older. Thank you Dear Karen, it was a special time..

  • @mitchrp1
    @mitchrp1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    A master class in vocal ability.

  • @snailjob09
    @snailjob09 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey Karen...you'll always be in my heart

  • @JP-qc8ud
    @JP-qc8ud Před rokem +1

    She’s only 21 years old here. That is unbelievable. She accomplished so much, so quickly. This was our wedding song

  • @andyjarvisio5337
    @andyjarvisio5337 Před 3 lety +3

    This song is being used on a UK tv advert at the moment. At first you think.. that’s not a bad version.. then you hear the original and realise that no one should ever cover a Karen Carpenter song!

  • @judyglover408
    @judyglover408 Před 7 lety +2

    Karen was a star on earth and now a star in heaven 💚💚

  • @calfolk7381
    @calfolk7381 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Those were definitely the days

  • @juliecaudill9619
    @juliecaudill9619 Před 7 lety +1

    Beautiful voice tragic we lost her so young

  • @paulywalnuts24
    @paulywalnuts24 Před rokem +1

    Her voice just melts into your soul

  • @thatguyinelnorte
    @thatguyinelnorte Před 2 lety +2

    I miss her. I never met her; but I am sad she left early.

  • @gators227
    @gators227 Před 7 lety +3

    Best female voice of all time!

  • @doyleperkins4916
    @doyleperkins4916 Před 2 lety

    This was my favourite song as a 6 year old back in 1971...used to make me cry with joy, this and AQUARIUS/LET THE SUNSHINE IN by The Fifth Dimension

  • @jasondesselles9168
    @jasondesselles9168 Před 3 lety +1

    She had the voice of an angel.

  • @badcoach2000
    @badcoach2000 Před 9 lety +11

    Check this out! I listen to all types of music, including the King, The Beatles, Etc. I have never heard a voice like this ever! And she is live with this performance. Probably one of the best singers ever!

  • @Charleybones
    @Charleybones Před měsícem

    This video is a class study on the importance of good tambourine playing. It lifts the song to the next level midway thru. Karen's voice was honey, but Richard's arrangements and accompanyment made it soar.

  • @richcox86
    @richcox86 Před 6 měsíci +1

    One of a kind and should be a poster child for what pushed societal norms in the fashion industry can do to people.