iPhone 14 eSIM Controversy Explained
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2022
- Apple iPhone 14 eSIM is here. Some people are angry.
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For me, the deal breaker is not being able to use the phone in my home country. I travel frequently to my home country, and eSIM is not available on ANY carrier. I am NOT eager to pay $45 for 1gb of data on Holafly or Airalo, when I can get unlimited data for $20 using a local carrier. Also, in many cases, the places where eSIM is available, carriers lock them to be used only on contract plans, not prepaid. So yeah, traveling with a US iPhone 14 is more of a hassle than a commodity.
Buy a Canadian iPhone
Might as well buy the Canadian variant
Sounds like Apple is doing you a favor because iPhones are garbage.
Also swapping between iphones and non iphones is a pain today with esims. This is a classic move to force people to not want to try other phones just coz of the sheer inconvenience or switching esims.
@@rahullulay there is no easy way to swap esim between Android and Apple devices today anyway because of the way Apple prefers to deliver the esim to a device. When you switch you really get a new profile instead of a new one.
This seems like it puts even more control into the hands of companies, and we won't be able to do anything about it.
Vote with your wallet then, that's doing something.
@@2078smith you will be
just don't buy it then lol
Paranoid
@@sourcream how
Headphone jack removal could be ignored. But sim tray removal is different, it can stop you from being able to make call/text or use your data if you travel to a country which doesn’t support eSim. So that adds you another concern when you travel.
Airlo
It will just make it a hassle. You'd have to buy a cheap smartphone while traveling or a hotspot device.
It's the inability to quickly switch phones for me. Having to contact the carrier each time to do this simple task - and everyone knows the "support" they get from speaking to carrier customer service - is a non starter for me right now. Seriously, imagine not being able to switch phones because of heavy volume of calls. I feel like this is something the carriers wanted to push as it discourages people from switching carriers.
You obviously don't know how to transfer esims among phones
@@livingaboard and you apparently are under the impression that your experience transferring esims between phones is all encompassing. Lol.
@@mphillips2110 it’s just as easy as psychical card.
@@darth_kal-el no it's not buddy. Keep lying to yourself
@@darth_kal-el How
One of the benefits with a physical SIM card is that you can easily pop in a new card to change providers.
An eSIM could enable providers to change cancellation fees to change providers as they authorize the change.
Lol nobody would go to a provider that makes those charges, even if some of them do it they will quickly get put in their place and bullied by the market to get rid of it
Keyword: "could." Doesn't mean they will. It is just your assumption. People are going crazy for no reason.
And don’t buy iPhone 14, keep your old iPhone and problem solved
using an eSim removes your capabilities of standard traditional message and calling you have to pre-paid data plan then you can have signal bars.
Super true
imagine having to contact Microsoft or Apple everytime you plug in or disconnect a USB stick. I dont want to use an app or have to call customer service to perform a simple chip swap. This takes away a lot of control from the users and forces us to funnel our needs through a 3rd party. Totally unnecessary.
It doesn’t require that. Only for the first install, then it’s stored on your phone and you can switch anytime. Just like a physical SIM, where you need to get the physical card, which is the equivalent of getting an app
@@anianii The point is it shouldn't be necessary at all. If there were a way to have a SIM profile that can easily be installed by the user on multiple phones, it'd be a different story. But as it stands, you need the carrier's blessing every single time you need to put a phone number on a new phone.
It's also not "like a physical SIM" because you don't need to get a new card every time you get a new phone.
@@anianii Do you really trust carriers to keep the process that way? There's too much money in adding more hurdles or fees to make it harder to switch things later on.
@@mphillips2110 The carriers have no influence on that. It’s a part of the phone software. Once you first installed the eSIM, the carrier doesn’t know whether it’s just stored and inactive or the phone is turned off or in Airplane Mode. So unless they start to charge you for every Time you restart the phone, they won’t charge you here either
@@anianii But the phone software _could_ let the carrier know of its use in the future, and the carrier would then charge you fees. It's about *trust* in companies that _you have no voting rights in, no economic recourse for, who are controlled by people who couldn't give a rat's ass about you._
Have you tried Mighty Travels Premium yet?
The privacy point made last was then most important. Control and money. In Mexico, an active Sim costs $5 and requires no personnel info. This is a lazy attempt from Apple to save build cost in the name of advancement on your $1000+ phone making it not truly travel-ready. What sucks is they will get away with it. I keep two active sims from two countries in my S21 Ultra.
The privacy point can be a valid concern, but has very little to do with eSIM from a conceptual point of view. Both SIM and eSIM could work anonymously, if the will was there. Also the overwhelming majority of the countries require some form of ID to have a cellphone number and have been doing that for years. Control is a political will, and the SIMs that have been around for three decades now have everything on board already to enable control for any government who wants to. They just need an ID requirement for everyone buying SIMs.
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México is more an exception than the norm. I'm currently in Indonesia, where the government requires everyone to hand over their passports and IMEI to be stored in a database if you want to buy a local sim card, even if you're staying only for two weeks.
Ironically, if I hadn't wanted to do that, my option would have been to use a travel eSIM that covered this region. Since the cost is 3x to 5x a local simcard for the same amount of data, I opted to hand over my data. (which they have anyway in one form or another..)
@@tapatazapata5970 I agree, also once you activated a phone. All base stations (the government) and ofc carrier itself know what imei is connected and was used. So you would have to throw away that phone when it's been used.
Esim might get cheap so now i can quickly buy a sim of the internet with monero and thus able to create a fake profile. Year later i just remove the phone number
What i hate about this is at first other phone company will mock apple for doing this but later they'll follow the damn change.
Yea I still remember Samsung mocking the headphones jack removal.
That’s what you hate about this? The d&ck measuring competition between giant multinationals? Not the taking away of usability for you the end user? You’ve got some priority issues to address
That's why there's Sony
That's why I have the X5ii.
Got tired of bending ass backwards and losing features plus I wanted more freedom so I got an Xperia.
Gaslighting
@@brandonb7120 what?
I recently switched carriers in the US and loaded an eSIM in an iPhone 13. The process was anything but straightforward and smooth. You also need to have internet access to receive an eSIM, which you don’t have if there’s no Wi-Fi and you don’t have a functioning SIM. This has happened to me while traveling and being in remote areas doing field work (I’m a geologist). This is a deal killer for me.
I can't imagine trying to activate while overseas on wifi to keep your number while roaming if you lose or break your device they probably would charge extra if it were possible.
make sense, everything need internet to work, lol
@@hackdockage_1286 loser
But the Iphone 13 , 13 pro and the 13 pro max do take nano sims. I just bought one used and just switched my nanosim from my old phone to my new one.
Yeah they do but when I had an 11 and 13 I used the eSIM for my main carrier for security...cant take the SIM card out if it gets stolen@@marshallhughes4514
The e-sim has definitely given me pause in buying the 14. I have a couple of phones that I like the swap out frequently. There should be a US model that provides a choice between using the sim and e-sim. 🤔
There's a reason why the US model is the only one without a physical SIM card. They want to change the US market before they go for the rest of the world. Europe/Canada may be next unless the EU makes laws against it.
They should sell an unlocked no carrier option that has a physical SIM and an eSIM like the Canadian iPhone 14/15
I’m in the military and live overseas in Europe. eSIM makes my travel much more difficult because I constantly switch to different sims based off the visiting country needs
I live in Sweden and I can use my plan within all of EU, no extra charge. Do you really need to change carrier when traveling between countries? I think this is actually EU law to accommodate this
@@marcusellby But are the prices the same say in Sweden vs UK vs Greece vs Kosovo vs Albania vs Czechia or any other country in Europe? I guarantee I could find cheaper service in Greece or Kosovo by buying a local sim there instead of using a esim with a plan via Apple
When you leave Europe its worst. I travel every other month and the prices with esim are outrageous compared to local physical sims in Africa, Southeast Asia, India or South America if the country even has esim. Why would I pay 5-10 times the price for the same service.
Another example of this would be buying food in one EU country vs another when the euro first came out people were shocked at the different prices for the same thing across Ireland, France, Germany, Italy and Greece. There were huge differances in the prices of Wine, Beer and places like McDonalds for example.
Then there is the issue of not every carrier that offers esim offers all plans on esim suchas prepaid plans, even in the USA you can find esim plans but its super hard to find them on prepaid plans and this is true everywhere across the globe.
@@marcusellby As you may be aware not all European countries are part of the EU, so yes, you may need to switch SIM cards depending on your destination.
@@marcusellby I travel continents for work, and part of my weeks routine. This one will make me give up on apple.
Then don’t get the new iPhone, it’s not worth the trouble. Either stick to 13pro and below or u can switch to android. Hopefully they bring the SIM cards back
ok so let me get this straight, apple redid their packaging so that there was less waste but then at the same time takes away the ability to reuse older phones which is gonna create a lot more waste.
you cant reuse stolen phones, you can reuse any normal phone obviously. What a weird way you interpreted that...
@@avgvstvs96 so let’s say you have a new phone and you want to switch to an older phone for the day how can you do that if your new phone doesn’t have an SIM card?
@@avgvstvs96 that’s weird that you would even interpret What I said as weird when he even said it in the video
Finally people are seeing the scene of the green agenda. Did you know that BP the oil giant were the ones to coin the phrase carbon footprint? Yeah about that do some research and follow the crumbs and you’ll be surprised how many people sit back and allow these idiots to govern their lives without even knowing it. Apple is no different.
This kind of thing should be able to be done on your carriers app/website. Want to use an old phone? Well it's going to need a physical card. I'm going to assume there's already one in there, but if not, you'll need to grab one.. once you've got that, you should just be able to log into your account, manage your number, and activate whatever IMEI and SIM you want to activate.. When you're done.. put in the IMEI of your newer phone and it'll generate a new eSIM for you.. yeah it's a pain.. but think of it like switching from the headphone jack to Bluetooth. Headphone jacks were great for "when you're in a pinch" but now that everything is wireless the pros outweigh the cons once everyone got used to it, even if Bluetooth can sometimes be a pain.
Leave it to Apple to fix what is not broken
I was thinking to switch to apple but for only this "feature" I am rethinking. Even though it has not come to india but if it comes next year I'd be in the apple ecosystem and it'd be much more difficult to get out so keeping out is better option as of now.
How would it be more difficult to switch to a non-Apple phone? Transferring your phone number from an eSIM to a physical SIM?
i feel the same way. i just wanna a iphone because most my family have one. but i dont plan for it to be my main phone. i still love my note.
Only the US iPhones are eSIM only. Everyone else gets a physical sim card slot + eSIM except for China who gets dual physical SIMs
The move to go eSIM only is a deal-breaker for me. Although it states that it's for the US only, a lot of regions use the US variant in their countries. Sadly most of these countries, like mine, do not support eSIM.
Which country are you in currently?
Thank god it’s USA only so I don’t have to deal with it
What country?
@@samuel-wankenobi *yet
@@arjunsen8112 Trinidad and Tobago...hopefully this pushes carriers to update their systems
From someone that works for a Service provider I see many many issues coming, not only impractical especially for travelers because not all countries offer esims and the ones that do overcharge you for it but trouble shooting also.
A lot of times when customers have signal issues a simple SIM change fixes that, with eSIM you’re pretty much fucked a have to resort to warranty or insurance claims, this change takes away all practicality and ease of access to your network without having to go through the hassle of contacting the carrier to make changes
Out of interest with respect to signal issues, is the SIM swap you're referring to within the Sam's carrier or between different carriers? If the same, surely signal issues should be the same, if not better (and worst comes to worst, you can "reset" the eSIM)?
(Genuine question btw, I'm not informed either way!)
@@fetchstixRHD I was referring within the same carrier, and yes eSIM tends to work better than physical SIM cards because I have a lot of customers that prefer eSIM and they (for the most part) experience less connection interruptions than those with a physical one, however I have seen instances where eSIM customers had to go as far as switching back to physical or filing warranty exchanges due to their phones simply not working at all with the eSIM and we all know warranty exchanges are certified pre-owned devices. I believe it’s just a hassle overall for both customer and carrier representative because the systems are not there yet and from personal experience trouble shooting or “resetting” an eSIM is about 90% useless
The eSIM is not hardware so should not have SIM issues and a reboot of the eSIM or a firmware update will fix. I am sure Apple will have technicians that can resolve that.
Travelers buy the phone and have international plans. You don't have to swap sim cards to go to a different country lol.
@UCC7xfSSswK_q_nbPQQAE-_A lol sounds like you work for one of the prepaid Carriers associated with company I work for… iPhone 13 launch was painful lol
One thing that people forget is that Verizon and Sprint/Nextel in the US years and years ago used CDMA with no SIM cards at all. This worked exactly the same as the current eSIM tech except you couldn't use it at all outside of the country and you couldn't have 2 phone numbers on a single phone. SIM cards used to only be an option for GSM networks and once the iPhone moved to 4G LTE and off of the old 3G standards, Verizon and Sprint moved to SIM cards for the first time. So in a way it's reverting back to the way Verizon and Sprint did things during the 3G CDMA days with more adoption globally. I do see the concerns but I think we will eventually get to a point where this is a non issue.
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That’s correct, most forget about the past when this was definitely not an issue. Thanks for pointing that out!
Exactly! This is is a dumb move from apple
Yeah but I like swapping between phones through out the week , I remember when Sprint did that it made me mad because I knew other people you had T-Mobile in AT&t that didn't have to do that I believe this is a way to force people to upgrade their phones and trade their phones and because they won't be able to use them swap between them . When I swap phones it makes me hold off from upgrading to a new phone because once I get bored of the phone I just swapped to another phone that is older and it feels new again just for a little while
I still prefer SIM cards. eSIM makes it better for providers but harder for us, consumers.
I remember esim (they was analog phones ) in which the cellular companies controlled who had mobile phone only for exclusive customers until sims came out and made it widely available to general public. if you remember the first mobile sim phone here in the UK was by one 2 one the Motorola M300 where the credit card sim would slide in-between the front and battery.
eSIM will make tracking your phone far more easier. More authority to the companies, more power to surveillance.
Apple with their 'privacy focus' already has back doors for US government agencies.
As far as I know they don't need a warrant to search either. It's not inconceivable that one could just criticise a politician and be tracked.
True!
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@@AnimMouse 😂😂
"Theoretically it should be easier to switch providers"
Theoretically, you could choose your carrier on a list in your phone configurations, but here what they made was that you have to buy a piece of paper with a QR code on it so you can activate your eSIM. They don't sell it online, they won't send you an email or message with the link or QR on it, you have to physically go to a store and buy a piece of paper with the QR code. I was so angry with that...
Basically having an eSIM is a double edge sword. I like the fact that nobody will be able to remove my Sim card in order to steal my phone and not allowing me to track it. Unfortunately I’ve been in the situation where somebody had stolen my iPhone back when iPhone 5s was the latest iPhone. But at the same time just like you’ve pointed out Lou having the ability to swap my Sim card from one phone to the other is very convenient when my iPhone is being repaired or charging.
Every model except the US model has one eSIM + and one physical SIM (well the China/HK models have dual physical SIMs technically) so its not an either or.
For today in end of 2022 eSIM is available in UK & EU where I travel w/ a unlocked world phone. Limited but growing as it is the modern. As for countries that don’t or won’t, I have not or no plans to go there yet. But if I had to, I keep an old generation phone for travel or backup, dual SiM have been around few years now
We don't want e-sim, it should be an option, not mandatory
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My issue with Apple removing eSim is that they're forcing people to use the more expensive carriers then the cheaper ones because a lot of cheaper carriers won't carry eSim, yes these cheaper carriers would eventually go eSim, but by then a lot of people already stuck to the more expensive carriers because that all they had at the beginning and eSim takes a lot more steps to connect your phone to a carrier using the app so they don't want to chage to the cheaper one.
Yep. It lowers apple's costs and helps big carrier profits. That's it. No benefit to the consumer. Fuck apple.
Can use mint mobile and they have esim.
@@kingbucketz182 He might not be talking about the USA, and Mint mobile has had issues with esim like every other month just go read their reddit about people complaining
They aren't removing e sim 😂
Mint mobile is trash
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I was in Kauai usa and my iPhone stopped working: There are no Apple stores. So thankful I was able to get another phone and access my itinerary, travel plans, family, and make payments!
As someone that works at a cellphone store. Apple made our jobs a lot harder. We had to re learn everything from scratch. Troubleshooting is now off the table. I tried getting ahead of this six months ago but still it's hard.
Boycott iPhone. simple.
I agree, tried to do an eSIM earlier this month and its a nightmare man. QR codes don't work and carriers have implemented them so poorly.
It’s pretty simple…
Stick to riding horse.
@@Striker52C for me it’s been hit or miss, i’ve done esims about 10 times, not much but sometimes it is done in 2 seconds or other times it takes a few minutes
I work for a large company and manage phones for my region of the company. Verizon recently changed their policy to not provide a sim card with devices in anicipation of this change (you can still request one). I've had to set up a few esim only devices and it is a major pain compared to just inserting the sim card. Their queues are long and its a long process to get the device properly configured. We reuse devices and sim cards daily and being able to just put in a sim and assign it to the user is crucial. The amount of time I will be spending on the phone with Verizon is going to increase substantially. We will be sticking with sim compatible models until we are forced to change.
Apple is going to put a lot of enterprise on Samsungs with this.
Especially if the customers aren't tech savvy, that queue will be long as F!ck
I’ll give up my Apple if they go to esim
I have two numbers and they are both esims in the iPhone 13 Pro Max never realized till I checked.
The thing I hate about these successful tech channels they won't call out the obvious bullshit these companies do because the money and loss of access. They always play it down the middle. Like it's even close to equal good and bad
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I hope there is a big enough backlash for Apple for them and every other competitor to learn that they are not the wave everyone else has to ride and hopefully other phone manufacturers do not follow or keep the possibility of having a physical SIM
Unfortunately other manufacturers WILL follow suit
I hope so, because this going backfire. Not everywhere nation going have this new system.
There's never a big enough backlash against Apple. Too many adopters that don't pay attention. Any and every time Apple has removed something it has never come back.
@@danielromeo99 I highly doubt android will follow consider how many mobile brand are there
@@Saiputera Samsung a and pixel phones will . And really at this point no one else matters
As a full-time drugdealer, I find that really impossible from Apple!
Bruh, every drug dealer I know buys Nokia flip phones, easier to dispose off since you can break them in two and throw them in the bin.
Go full analog: can't hack a piece of paper, can't listen to a conversation when there's no recording device in sight. Pro tip: every speaker can be a microphone, so remove them as well wherever you conduct your business
@@9an13l I hear a quill and leather flap is great for security.
@@mannylupercio8194 at this point writing in regional cursive would probably be enough security lol
Lmaooooo
Less control for consumers, I mean this is the Apple way. Anything they can do to lock you they will do it.
This is so not about saving the environment, it's about more control of what you can do with the devices you PAID for.
I hope this is something that doesn't take off but looking at the past for some reason companies just start following Apple. Non-removable batteries, no headphone jack, ugly notches.
Wrong, sorry. With iMessage, your argument does hold up, but for pretty much EVERYTHING else, your statement is plain wrong. Been a Mac and iPhone user for decades and not limited in any way.
Exactly.
Soon charging port will be gone as will the volume buttons.
Who needs that shit anyways right?
Just takes up space.
Then you will have people saying it's to make phone smaller (yet they have biggest screens ever lol) and more water proof yet... you can now backup just about everything so do we really need waterproof phones?
I never dropped any of my phones in water period.
To late now people already bent ass backwards and now here we are this is what the the phone industry is at.
I only have consumers to blame.
Thank god Sony doens't follow suit will be buying Xperia phones in the future already have X5ii and has everything on it that you can ask for.
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@@coolfactormac
iOS is the most limited/restricted OS, iSheep. Wake up.
@@ViIgax But if it does everything that I need it to do, is it limiting me?
Easy to hate based on general nonsense.
Last time I went out of US I purchased a prepaid card. When I was finished I was able to give the card to my family to use. Now thats not an option and those minutes go to waste. 100% true real scenario.
The fact that Apple is making a different version of iPhone to a specific region will have a profound affect, and in my view, damage their reputation permanently. Now there will be a "inferior version" of the same product according to different regions. As a global company, Apple's greed will become its downfall.
apple aint downfalling anytime soon
Apple is too big to have a downfall especially right now
Apple has been making different versions of iPhone, Watch & almost every other device for different regions since forever, you just don’t notice/ realise it, until you need to get your device serviced/ repaired/ replaced when you’re in a different region…
It's means that stolen iPhone 14 devices are useless outside the States.
Remember if apple does it first. Then Samsung and other phone brands will gonna follow soon so be prepared
If Apple did it to provide you with a better product, then they'd give you an SD card slot in the place of the now missing sim slot.
Holy cow…I know this was most likely sarcasm but…hell, that would be too honest of Apple. Shame 😭
Or reasonably prices storage upgrade options.
Excellent point.
Removable storage is so much more useful than SIM. But Apple won't give it to you because they want you to pay a monty icloud subscription.
simple. if u want SD get an android. or utilize a work around for mobile physical storage, plenty exist and cheap! 😒
Adding Google Fi eSIM to my Pixel 6 Pro for travel, quickly with app, and deactivating my Verizon SIM, worked amazingly. Google Voice number for calling/texting seamless. Saved a little $ and had larger data cap
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What happens when you’re traveling to a foreign country and you purchase a sim at the airport. If foreign carriers don’t support eSIM then you’re out of luck.
You can pay something like 20 or even 50 dollars per GB to your USA ISP in order to stay connected. Good to be an American.
Anyone who has ever had an eSim installed should know it is a nightmare. The apps don't work, the QR codes don't work, the employees don't know how to do it because so few people use it. Last time I tried it travelling to Switzerland I was in that bloody shop for over two hours before they finally got my eSim to work.
It’s took 2hrs in t mobile for me last time 🤣
I switched to esim about a month ago and so far no issues
Just got rid of my razr which was an Esim. It’s a ducking disaster. If you break the phone you lose your phone until it gets replaced. Don’t get an esim phone.
It can either be a really easy process or an overly complicated annoying one. Last week I had complete hell trying to set up eSIM on my 13 PM. However, whenever I finally got it to work properly I installed another eSIM and that one went so smoothly. It took about 3 minutes total.
its true i work in the biggest telecom company in denmark and the issue with the qr scanner is truth to it we always need to contact Apple to activate it plus the waiting time for costumer can be hours its so stupid the esim
I found recently that the old shove the sim in another phone had a drawback. It disabled my ability to receive text codes for internet sign ons and two step verification. Apparently these particular texts have another layer of secutrity that doesn't like seeing a different phone associated with your SIM. A call to the provider fixed it, but it still made the argument that swapping a sim is super easy lose a little validity at least for me.
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I work for Verizon. All I can say is I hope our systems can handle this and phones don’t get stuck in activation.
My question is who from America will go to a foreign country with this mobile which does not have e-SIM, then how will he use the SIM if he buys that country's SIM?
This has happened to me 3 times. Each time I was out of service on Verizon for 3-4 days.
I had to port out and port back twice in order to get service again.
Sucks man. Better have some Tylenol ready.
I work for verizon too and I’m not ready for Friday 😭😭😭
System?
@@michael.barlow i dont know. The bigger carriers provide roaming on other regional carriers. Without extra cost. When i travelled to the middle east for a couple of months with my dutch simcard it just said Roaming all the time but my bill was still the same.
I’d say the carrier companies were behind this as much as apple. Some Secondary cell service companies don’t have esim so more people sticking to att Verizon and T-Mobile and second makes it harder to swap phones out constantly which means you’ll stick with them.
Swapping between carriers will still be easy if you own an unlocked phone and aren't paying for bill credits over 2-3 years. With iPhone going eSIM all of the small carriers will quickly adopt eSIM. iPhone is the most popular phone in the US -- small carriers won't thrive without an iPhone option.
@@BC08 literal cope. That doesn't mean its a good decision
No i think Apple is gearing up to buy some carrier servers to make Apple 100% stand alone
@@chrisprilloisebola It’s not a cope at all, much less a literal one. It’s a fact
@@chrisprilloisebola Cope? Sim removal was predictable, and once samsung inevitably remove their sim trays in the next year or two, you expect the small carriers to only provide service to old phones? Theyve gotta adapt like everyone else. Same mfs complaining about DVD players not being common anymore lol
I’m soooooo grateful you made this video. I pre-ordered a new 14 Pro and only like 2 days later realized it was sans the SIM tray. This wouldn’t be an issue other than we’re headed to Europe in 2023 and my plan was just to pick a cheap micro-SIM near an airport. Now I’ve been really curious how this is going to play out for frequent international travelers. Thank you for going into the weeds on this one.
eSims are supported in europe. Anywhere. Tmobile and Vodafone have most of Europe, if not all, covered.
Thanks guys. I actually got my 14 pro in the mail today and it turns out the activation process was just like he showed in this video, uber simple. And you’re spot on about Europe & other commonwealth countries being accessible. I did a deep-dive last weekend and it looks like you can pre-activate on any network you want before you fly out to the said country so the minute you land, you’re ready to rock and roll! How cool is that? If this works like it seems it will, you could literally have like 4-5 eSIMs ready and just switch to each respective one as you cross borders. Rad! I think I may have been apprehensive about this whole lack of a SIM slot for nothing, guess we’ll see over the next few years!
Ya, I see it a matter of when. But as for random physical sim switching, I do believe it’s Carrier specific unless u have world unlocked when traveling.
As for iPhone, it was able to do the esim transfer from old w/o removing. I’m under the impression that because u can e send it back that it’s an active SIM again to move as u wish. I haven’t tried since my other new devices do QR or digital eSIM transfer as well. iPad & such
I used a Microsoft surface duo which had an eSIM and a physical SIM. When I switched devices, my texts weren't coming in on my new device for a while because the eSIM was still active on the old device and they were being sent there. It was a massive headache to remove my eSIM from that device so my new device would work.
A lot of people, including myself, travel to the US just to buy a phone because it's cheaper than buying it locally. eSIM is still not supported in my country and I refuse to buy an iPhone that is 400 or 500 dollars more expensive.
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I travel full time.. I love this but admit the option to sim or not to sim would be good as not all countries are covered, some are particularly morr expemsive and I can easily enough switch a local sim in and throw it when I am done amd back to usual coverage via e sim.. thats my perspective, top video
You made a very valid and interesting point about the handset breaking down and the inability to remove the physical sim and put it into another handset, So theory to this would simply be something like an e-sim key like how they already have they keychain . It’s just data running whatever algorithms anyway so why not also a virtual sim which is just data in theory
so the US model won't have a physical sim slot but the international ones will have one while also keeping the option to use an eSIM? That's a considerable amount of space to have "saved" by not including a physical SIM, so I wonder what the difference in spec will be between the two models. Otherwise if the phones are identical in every other way, it'll just further show that this move is completely anti-consumer and purely for the benefit of Apple and phone carriers
Since Apple has to build a version of the iPhone 14 series with a physical SIM card tray for non-US markets, there will be nothing but empty space where the SIM tray would be. It would cost too much to give only US iPhones new hardware that fills the space where the SIM tray would be. The only exception I can think of is for satellite connectivity antennas or modems.
Like what the guy in the video said, he will not buy a US version. America is Apple's home market. Sooner or later Americans will know they are getting an inferior version.
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I have an iPhone 12 Pro , which as both ESIM and Sim Card slot and 90% of times configuring ESIM or transferring ESIM profile is a headache. Sometimes the service provider themselves dont have clue on how to fix problems. Once configured it works flawlessly though.
For avoiding this headache I just use Physical sim
@Phillip Banes That's why I said the only exception I can think of is something related to satellite connectivity. Either a satellite antenna or modem using the extra room. We'll find out soon enough after Friday, when I'm sure iFixit will have a teardown.
Still rocking with my 13 mini. Went from an 11 pro max to a 13 mini and I love it. Wish they still made mini versions. I got the mini bc I knew I was on my phone too much. The mini incentivizes me to actually use my iPhone, vs just play on it.
"Still rocking my 13 mini." You talk like you've had it years it's barely a year old 😂
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Same dude the mini rocks
5.4 inch vs 6.1 inch screen that's only 15% less screen. I think it's just the name mini- tricks ppl into thinking its alot smaller.
That’s me too. Small light phone that slips into my pocket. Can’t go big again.
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I only have an iPhone and all my passwords in it. The other day I factory erased my iPhone and the eSIM card was removed.
Then when I reinstalled my iPhone i could not get into my iCloud account because Apple was sending me a text code to my phone number (which was an eSIM and was removed ).
Then I could not access my Verizon account to access my eSIM code to install it on my iPhone because now a day we all have too many passwords and they were on my iPhone iCloud Keychain (password manager).
It was a headache.
I will Never go for eSIM again.
All that hassle is resolved having a physical SIM card.
Another issue on eSIM: most carriers only support it when you have a postpaid plan with them. Prepaid plans mostly only comes on SIM cards (eSIM for prepaid is very low, if not none). Also, Hong Kong/Mainland China/Macau still has 2 SIM cards (carriers there are stubborn on eSIM adoption) then the rest of the world still has one.
HK & China use physical sims because of the law in China. All other manufacturers selling handsets in China all follow the same regulations. Apple had no say in the decision…
been rocking my Note 8 since it was new. I like the headphone port, I like the sim tray, I like the SD card expandability, I like my fingerprint scanner not on the screen. Gunna be a sad day when it gets killed because carriers decide to drop support for all physical SIM devices. I had phones back before SIM was popularized, back when 2G data and mp3 ringtones were big news and trying to switch that phone over was a HUGE pain. I see absolutely no reason why it won't go back to that now.
A good assessment of the issue. I travel a lot and so consider this a horrible idea. One considerable con is that many eSim providers (in many countries in Africa for example) only provide eSims for postpaid accounts.
This is flat out false.
Nah. if u travel a lot, i suggest u buy a cheap phone with physical sim (u can even buy sim in country) and a decent digital camera. doing so means u dont have to worry about phone loss/theft and increases storage capacity for your memories.
What if I buy an iPhone with my provider (AT&T) and pay monthly payments for 36 months and I move overseas for 2-3yrs (being military). Do I have to pay off the phone or can I still make payments with my provider while using eSIMs for comms?
I move my SIM between phones pretty regularly. I also travel internationally a lot, and buy local SIM's with fair data plans wherever I'm visiting, just going into the shop and getting the SIM. Lot's easier and cheaper than what will be required with the eSIM.
I'm not going to be buying the iPhone 14, at least not the US model. Hopefully the international model will work for me.
But hangon, if you convert to an Esim, you still have the sim tray right to put a sim card in?? I'm based in Australia and have sussed out a few Telco's and they've all told me that the Iphone 14 when released will have a sim tray, so if I wanted to, I can convert my physical sim into an esim and I'd have a sim tray to put a physical sim in anyway, hence the phone being dual-sim
@@ananumatanu7621 For US models, there will no longer be a SIM tray, only eSIM. So there won't be a little drawer anymore. For European I think it will still be there, based on laws overseas.
I’ve been traveling around Europe this summer, and I’ve been using roaming with my local carrier which was an E-sim.
The experience was horrible, it will take more than a day to find service when I move to a new country. Sometimes it will take days.
I didn’t know what was the issue, until I noticed that my friend with “actual” SIM card, didn’t have this issue.
So I ended buying a normal sim from a country and using it all around Europe.
Hopefully this E-sim only stays in America.
I love the SIM cards on my 11 & 13 Pro Max iPhones. One never knows when switching them out would be needed! I am happy I did not plan on upgrading to the 14 Pro Max.
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True, here in Costa Rica the cost of an IPhone increase 300-500 US dollars, the iPhone pro max cost around 1400-1500 US dollars in Costa Rica while on USA they are 1100. People like me who purchase the iPhone outside my country are now affected and quite stressed, hoping that our telecomunications companies bring Esim asap.
For me, it's a deal braker because I've been traveling to the US to get my last couple of iPhones. Now, since eSIM is not a viable solution in my country, if I want to get an iPhone 14 I'm obligated to purchase it on local stores, meaning that it will cost around $500 USD more that msrp's on the US.
Deal breaker for sure... I have multiple phones and change sim when doing certain activities like snowboarding , I dont take my nice new phone, i take a backup phone. This is going 15-20 years backwards. the world is GSM , Verizon used to have locked phones with no sim which is why i choose ATT. This is not good no matter how you try and dress it up. Also i sell my old phones when done, this will be a pain
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if the iPhone 14 Pro max e-sim is blocked on a certain operator, for example, At &T, then other operators will work, for example, Visible or Verizon?
Hey Lew. When is the official unboxing of the IPhone coming?
As someone who works for the big three carriers
This is a bad move for those who might not have WiFi to set up the phone
I think I saw on apples website that Esim setup won’t require Wi-Fi anymore
If you have enough money to buy iPhone 14 then you have wifi at home.
It's like going backwards to the old sprint days. I have 3 phones I rotate out often and the new IPhones won't find their way into my rotation. I swap phones depending on my mood and what I'll use them for each day, not going through the hassle of dealing with eSims.
Will you be able to install the sim on multiple phones?
Perhaps you could have a family plan on the one sim, and share it with your family.
That AZ1 has my attention haha! I have one! They’re awesome!
So I like to switch between phones a lot but with the same carrier. That’s just what I do. So would I not be able to switch between 13 Pro and 14 at will anymore?
In my country you already can switch providers, keeping the number and get eSIM. No haste, but pre paid cards don't have eSIM options currently as they need to be anonymous by law.
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he's correct on the change to a provider. it cuts down on one step. when you change, they have to send out or get you a new sim card. either they mail it or they give it to you from a store. they or you still might need to call the center. but with esim, you only need to call the center and they would just need your imei to generate a new sim number. much more convenient unless there's a long queue. a few downsides i see here are the ones that travel internationally frequently or people that have a burner sim. you can no longer have that leeway to swap sim cards as easily as before.
But how many people like to call customer service. I hate them & you could be on the phone waiting for a long time.
@@2078smith that's true. and one of the things i also hate to do on both ends. as a consumer and as one of those that work in a center like that before. i do believe there's self service options available. like what lou demonstrated. there's an app or portal to the carrier's website that would allow you to "upgrade" the sim information directly.
@high ping gaming --- Calling a call center is not necessary. Used Esim 2 weeks ago and bought it right on my phone, Took 5 minutes.
apple just needs to be like Google Fi and provide service when you travel. I had a xiaomi phone that did that, letting me pay $1 for 1gb of data for a day in supported countries
@@bruxi78230 i had the same experience when i recently upgraded. my last phone had a physical sim, and the new one activated via esim. it only took the same amount of time.
I'm so happy that it's coming with the Sim tray to Canada at least we can see who the US users will deal with this.
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Esim reminds me of CDMA phones in the US that no one uses anymore pre LTE sprint and Verizon required you to call in to activate a phone while AT&T Tmobile and the rest of the world uses GSM with simcards it was easy to switch
Hi, I'm greatly affected by the change. I mainly purchase my Apple devices (mostly iPhones) in the US because it's cheaper. Now with the eSIM, my country is not offering eSIM for prepaid phones but only for those with monthly subscriptions. Also, it will be cumbersome when traveling compared to just swapping your SIM card to the country you are traveling.
That’s true. I hope Globe and Smart would allow prepaid eSIMs already. I’ve been wanting to have dual SIM on my 12 pro.
Next time buy your iPhone from Canada and you will get physical sim tray.
Until more providers offer it since it can host multiple eSims. Honestly seems like it's another headphone jack issue. It'll be fine in the long term and other carriers and phones will follow suite.
@@mohammedalsarraf6016 Australia also offers the sim tray version
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eSIM jacking is already a thing. It's the same process basically. My brother used eSIM with Mint Mobile, and had it jacked, then his PayPal and such were compromised
jacked?
@@bigunclepanda1303 hacked
@@bigunclepanda1303 slang term for stolen. Makes more sense in this context to say "jacked" since its called sim jacking.
@@TechXTech91 i ordered the 14, im switching from a s8+, u think the convert will be easy with the sims
@@bigunclepanda1303 depends on your carrier more than your device. The hardest part is going to be switching from old Android to new iPhone. That switch isn't easy. Depending on how you use a phone personally, you might find yourself missing Android or you might not and nothing will change.
I can bounce back and forth between De-Googled Phones and regular Android phones, but iOS doesn't work for me because some of what I do for work requires a rooted device
I work at verizon and esim can definitely be a pain. Newer iPads and iPhone SE dont come with physical sim cards and want you to use esim by default. 9 out of 10 times I end up having to put in a physical sim anyways because the esim never wants to activate. When it does activate, it'll usually just lose connection to the network a couple days later.
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I’m from the uk and was planning to visit the US in November and to buy the iPhone 14 plus as it is $300 cheaper then the uk
Do you think all iPhones will change to chipless in the next year ?
If is gonna be a change for sure. I remember when traveling abroad, I could easily walk into a phone store, but a 20 dollar SIM card and have data for the month. Don’t know how I feel about this
The market is obviously going to adapt since there will be demand for more flexibility.
I change phones on the daily, from iPhone (camera for family time) to z fold 4 (work) to pixel 6 pro (because pixels are awesome). Transitioning to esim will be a huge inconvenience and unfortunately I had to cancel my iPhone pre order. Maybe I can pick up an international version after the launch 🤔
Yep same here was going to upgrade but I'm not going to as I go for my Galaxy to my iPhone back and forth off and on
Go to Canada and pick one up
@@gibreezy
Never been to Canada but I wanted to visit could really go just for an iPhone but maybe while I was there
Go with the Canadian version then.
Hopefully the US will switch to a QR-code based implementation, like the rest of the world already uses. Over here in Europe (Serbia) you just get a QR code delivered via email, no phone registration or anything required, which you can reuse as many times as you want and with as many phones as you want. I’m sad that the underlying technology and Apple is being blamed when really the US carriers should be blamed for making things unnecessarily complicated.
I got around this in an interesting way. I had someone that i know in Canada, buy mine from there and got the physical SIM card slot.
I’ve had a few different iPhones, and my carrier (T-mobile) has locked our sims in the past, but not so much now, so I’m new to the sim thing and I’ll adjust quickly, but when getting a new phone, I’ve never swapped sims, just contact the carrier and activate it
It’s a deal breaker for me too, I travel a lot and need to be able to switch out my SIM card to each country I am staying at every time. With e sim I loose that flexibility. I am not those people that will use my AT&T oversea carrier rate in a different countries since I normally have to stay from weeks to months at a time at different location. Maybe I am just the minority :/
im with you
How does eSIM prevent you from swapping out for each country you visit? Genuinely curious, as I plan to do a substantial amount of overseas travel next year.
@@brendancoots When you go to the country you’re visiting, you could just buy a prepaid sim anywhere in that country, swap the US sim to the local sim and you’re done. As long as you have an unlocked phone. You don’t have to contact the local service provider to activate the sim. When you put the new sim, it will automatically activate the service. With e-sim, some local service providers don’t have pre paid e-sim. And there is the inconvenience of going to local service provider’s store to activate a service. This removal of the sim tray is actually going back to the CDMA age.
Just go and buy a EU model it still got the Sim tray
@@prospera93 10% more expensive than US models. And importing from Europe to the US will cost you even more with the taxes.
The only thing I dislike about this is that apple only looked really to make sure that the major popular Nations had esim because now this leaves out those of us in Eastern Europe Southeast Asia other lesser visited countries
Won’t hurt apple, there have been many reason to not buy apple products but they still sell. At this point most people choose apple vs other companies. Not for the specs but because the brand.
I'm now hanging onto my old 3-4 year old devices just for situations like this. Hopefully soon an OS like nothing os will be available to flash to more devices. It'll be like an old car or computer , just keep rebuilding.
It took me a week before my new provider could get voicemail and data working correctly because old provider wouldn't release my number for new provider to set up eSIM correctly. All couldve been done quickly with physical sim.
Went with the iPhone 13 at the new price for the physical sim slot. Apple royally messed up
Just get the European model.
Had an eSim activated on my unlocked galaxy s22 ultra and eventually the eSim malfunctioned. Fortunately, there was a sim card slot and I was able to insert a traditional sim card, which immediately fixed all connectivity issues. I wanted to change to the 14 pro but skeptical after seeing this information
That's what I'm saying esim isn't reliable same thing happened to use and we changed to physical sims and it solved the issue
Why would you go from the s22 to an iPhone?! 😂
@@DSN262 Samsung recently just got hacked and data was taken from them. I love android but want something with more privacy. Knox has been great up until now and the fact Samsung waited almost a month to inform people of this shows they are pretty shady
@@dasss_it Apple does the same, they have a couple of trackers. I know this sounds boring, but if you read their Privacy Policy page, you'll see that you aren't completely safe either. At least you have more freedom to protect yourself with Android, on iOS you have no choice.
I hate the eSIM just for the simple fact that it took 3-4hrs combined of technical support to switch my number from my 12 max for myself and my husband. Transferring from the phone didnt want to work and neither did the QR code and a lot of agents still dont know how to fix these issues either.
Having an iPhone 12 I tried switching to Mint to eSim and was a disaster. I had a phone in limbo and to fix they wanted to text me a code to a number in limbo. Thank god I still had a physical sim option which easily fixed and completed my switch. I won't be going anywhere near an esim only phone.
Esim works only on Lte
In some hilly areas phones automatically switch to 3G which would not happen in case of esim
As someone who usually owns multiple phones and switched quite often the esim is an instant deal breaker.
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As someone who travels I can see the pros of Esims however I still would prefer a physical sim as well anyway Esim / Sim combos have been been in Iphones for 5 years starting since model XR.
So, the pros seem to only consist of features that will not be lost compared to physical sims. Those seem to be neutral aspects of e-sims because there is nothing gained over a physical sim. To me it seems mostly of cons. I do appreciate your video explaining these facts to the masses, when there are many unfounded rumors from other sources. Thank you for focusing on facts and not drama, rumor or hype. I applaud your approach, especially since rumor- and fear-mongering tactics probably give other (less factual) videos more views .
I work for Verizon in a corporate retail store. This adds a extra layer of complexity that makes ours and your experience less enjoyable and more challenging. Be prepared to bring in your iPads or secondary phones just in case something needs verified.
A lot of carriers won’t support ESim or won’t support it on PAYG because it’s actually quite expensive for the carriers to provision these, more than a plastic SIM. A lot (including the one i work for) won’t advertise they do it due to these costs. Hopefully that changes in the future.
@@HansPeter-ft9hx there is a cost to access the data bases, integrate with carrier systems etc, it’s not cheap
Visible was not ready to handle the esim transition. Launch day was an unmitigated disaster with them and I've been without cell service since the afternoon. Sucks to be the guinea pig.
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