Every MVP Winner On A Team Lower Than The 2nd Seed
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- Only 10 times in NBA history has the MVP been won by a player on a team lower than the 2nd seed in their conference. In this video, we take a look at all those occurrences and why it happened. Enjoy!
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Jordan in ‘88 was impressive. Dude averaged 35 PPG while also winning DPOY. Doing both in the same season was crazy.
Crazy 💯💪
Also carrying a horrible bulls team with pippen as their 8th man in the regular season to the playoffs. Dominated the cavs in the 1st round and faced the pistons
Impressive???? That's a UNDERSTATEMENT!!....let me give you a lil insight what Jordan's 88' season was like.....
ALL NBA 1ST TEAM
ALL DEFENSIVE 1ST TEAM
ALL-STAR
ALL-STAR MVP
LEAGUE MVP
LEAGUE LEADER IN STEALS ( 259 )
131 BLOCKS
D.P.O Y
SCORING CHAMPION ( 35 PPG )
53.5% FROM THE FIELD
SLAM DUNK CHAMPION
This 👆 is the kind of seasons Jordan was having before Pippen was drafted and matured as a player.
This guy said the same thing I've been saying for DECADE'S...." it was Jordan's 88' season that started the whispers of Jordan being the greatest player ever "
‘88 Jordan was sooo good, the two best players in the world were in awe of him despite being on better teams, and one team had to become straight up villains of the NBA just to stand a chance against him (okay, Dumars then & now is a pretty good guy-he’s more ‘villainous’ by proxy. Edit: John Salley is in the same camp as Joe)!! 🐐level 🫡
35ppg with 3.2 steals and 1.6 blocks is crazy, Jordan’s 2 way presence was unmatched
Nah jordan averaging 35 points and winning defensive player of the year in the same Szn is insane
Wasn't he playing vs mailmen?
@@OkagaCalifornia Yeah like playing against twitch streamers and load managers is SO much better. 😂🤣
It's BEYOND insane when you take in what he did that 88' season....
ALL NBA 1ST TEAM
ALL DEFENSIVE 1ST TEAM
ALL-STAR
ALL-STAR MVP
LEAGUE MVP
LEAGUE LEADER IN STEALS ( 259 )
131 BLOCKS
D.P.O.Y
SCORING CHAMPION ( 35 PPG )
53.5% FROM THE FIELD
SLAM DUNK CHAMPION
The whispers started about Jordan being the goat...
The fact that you couldn't spell out season and chose to abbreviate it to szn yet couldn't figure out DPOY instead of spelling that out says everything I need to know about your general intelligence and NBA acumen 🤣
In 2022 Jokic was the first to have at least 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 500 assists in a single season. This also impacted the decision.
Kareem winning in 1976 while missing the playoffs with a losing record is INSANE
Another crazy stat is that every player to have won an MVP has made it to the Hall of Fame. Of the active players, the only one who’s looking like he might not make it is D-Rose
I still think D rose can pull it off
@@Augustp08 doubt it. He’d have to be a Detlef Schrempf or Jamal Crawford level 6th man and he’s nowhere close to that.
He might make it since it’s the basketball HOF and his 1 season at Memphis where he led them to an NCAA record 38 wins(despite losing to Kansas in the final) might be the kicker.
@@NotMeNaNaNa there’s a lot of good examples of players that were plagued by injuries after a few seasons of their prime. His prime was way shorter than other players in that category, but the mvp gives him a decent case
@@Augustp08 yeah maybe his renaissance isn't as good as grant hill but he's an example of a guy plagued by injuries who transformed his career. Vince Carter. Even c-webb became an entirely different player after he blew his knee out
Derrick Rose may not, but even if he doesn’t make it, he’ll probably be referred to as someone who might have become a consensus Hall of Famer without injuries.
Meanwhile MyPlayer in 2k16 (MyCareer): Became MVP as a rookie while in a 7th seeded team
(Don't worry, per Hall of Fame difficulty rules, said MyPlayer got swept by the Cavs 😂)
My player wasn’t mvp as a rookie but he was fmvp first year
2k14, my player broke every record.
Demolished Wilts 100pt game, 120-20assists TRIPPLE double and hit 30 3s in one game. As a rookie 😂
Jordan in 88 is easily the most impressive one on this list. Can you imagine a guy averaging 35 a game carrying his team not only on offense but defensively as well in today's league?
giannis
@@wuwilliam2464 giannis didnt carry the bucks
Embiid
Offense is encouraged more in today's game with the rules too!
Neither of those guys are carrying their teams as hard as Jordan did their #2 and #3 options are quite better than Charles Oakley, you could argue their #4 as well.
Jokic should’ve been featured twice. The nuggets were 3rd in the west in 2021
Been watching you for years. Your channel is the reason I still follow up with basketball. Thank you, Andy.
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
planning, research narration are all top notch by andy as always. premium content indeed. indeed.
You can tell Andy loves what he does.. You can feel it when he does these videos.. Dude loves the sport of basketball and you can tell it and feel it.. 👍🏿❤️ Go Andy Go!
I feel like we're watching prime Andy Hoops right now.
you’re the only channel where i watch every video that comes out. your format is addictive tbh, lmao. i think joel deserves this mvp cause of his late season push and because he outplayed jokic when they played each other.
Embiid is probably gonna be the first player ever to win the MVP coz people feel bad for him not winning it yet💀
Giannis is the MVP in my opinion, hes just been THAT good for so long that people just dont appreciate him as much anymore. He'll put up 25,15, and 5 and people will say that's a bad game..
Nah. Joel is WAY better than Giannis.
@@MarcoRoberto1 You should say WHY u think that instead of just stating it bro, I'm curious. Joel may be more skilled offensively, but Giannis is the way better player overall. He's more versatile, a better defender, better passer, better team record with him, better impact. The only 2 things joel is better at than Giannis is shooting. dribbling/handles can go either way tbh
@@MarcoRoberto1 What makes Joel « WAY better » than Giannis?
I had giannis MVP as well
I don't feel it's highway robbery or anything all three guys in the race have compelling arguments to win.
Great video Andy!! Thanks!
I love your background music you have in every video
Yeaaa no MVP should ever win on a non playoff team imo 😂
Division rules kept them from making the playoffs, if they used current rules he would've made it(Haven't watched the video, assuming it's Kareem's MVP)
@@zotanica I wrote it before the video. I had Luka getting 1 MVP vote in mind when writing it. Must’ve been a Mavs writer
@@LessGo7921 oh I feel you
@@LessGo7921 Would Luka receiving a vote in his 2022 season make sense?
You know it’s a good day when Andy posts
4:22 “Moses became arguably the greatest rebounder in history!”
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain & Dennis Rodman: “Are we jokes to you?!”
That's why there's the word "arguably'' lol
@@bachnguyenviet4289 Doesn’t make it right, LMAO. 😂🤣.
I believe Jokic did this feat twice. His first mvp season they were third, and for his second they were sixth.
You are right!!!
I still question that mvp season of his
@@jackdempsey2497 how? He carried a team to the play-offs just as much as Jordan did the Bulls, but you’re gonna discredit only Jokić‘s MVPs? Crazy talk man.
@@aquatazer The first no, the second yes. The only way for a person to get a back-to-back MVP should be 1st not only in their conference but the league. That second back-to-back should be special, you must have outrageous stats, and the best record in the league.
@@iam-12345...... he did have outrageous stats, and you cannot honestly tell me that if he had a semblance of a good teammate the Nuggets wouldn’t have won more. Giannis has had legitimate All-Star and All-NBA players during his career when he’s done well. Jokić has never had one, yet still was the 1 seed in the West this season. Put aside your biased judging criteria and look at the facts.
Another banger bro
Good job Andy
AndyHoops is my MVP on basketball youtube content.
KP willed Embid into this MVP conversation and ppl are afraid to buck it in order to not appear rascist...
Nice grammar wtf is a rascist
I think you meant racist
Yup, the amount of black racists is insane
the real MVP. I mean KP😅
KP himself is a racist
Nah embiid literally had his best month while jokic had his worth month after that
Very good video
I don’t think an MVP winner should be lower than the 5 seed.
I’m curious how many MVPs also won the scoring title that same year.
Off the top of my head: at least Harden, Russ, Steph, KD, Jordan, Iverson
Shaq in 00 as well.
That Westbrook year was insane. KD leaving brought up the talk of he could average a triple double, most said no including myself. I just thought there's no way you can do it in today's ball then he proved me wrong lol
18 times was the MVP also the scoring leader.
Bob Petit 1956, 1959
Wilt 1960, 1966
Kareem 1971, 1972
Bob Mcadoo 1975
Michael Jordan 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998
Shaq 2000
AI 2001
KD 2014
Steph 2016
Russ 2017
James Harden 2018
Love from Toronto 🩸
In the 2020-21 NBA season, Nikola Jokic won the MVP and the Denver Nuggets were 3rd in the West
Man LeBron vs Harden in 2018 is so close.
Not even, Harden despite missing Chris Paul for many games was putting in historical numbers whilst leading the Rockets to best record in the league over the Warriors Superteam
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue bron was carrying a horrible cavs team to the playoffs it was close.
Yeah, you forgot someone. Jokic first MVP in 2020-2021. The Denver Nuggets finished 47-25 as the third seed.
James Harden deserves MVP, but Russell Westbrook triple double season INSANE 🔥💪🔥
How’s going Andy!
Nikola deserves a MVP this season
Absolutely, he is more valuable, leading in every statistic and his team is top 5 defense in the league when he is playing. Also higher seed and played more games. Also won games against teams with other 2 candidates at the end of the season.
He is white, so he won't get it
5:27 I put Kareem as an MVP in 1979. Although, Moses was so close that it could easily be him. However, Gervin was only 7th, behind those two + Hayes, World B. Fee and Julius Erving.
Out of curiosity, who is the best player you don’t see listed here.
This is every player who finished top five in an MVP vote:
ABA Players (24):
Connie Hawkins
Doug Moe
Mel Daniels
Larry Jones
Willie Somerset
Jimmy Jones
Rick Barry
Spencer Haywood
Roger Brown
Bob Verga
Zelmo Beaty
Charlie Scott
Dan Issel
Artis Gilmore
Billy Cunningham
Julius Erving
George McGinnis
Ron Boone
Joe Caldwell
Willie Wise
Bobby Jones
Mack Calvin
James Silas
David Thompson
NBA Players (97):
Bob Pettit
Paul Arzin
Bob Cousy
Mel Hutchins
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
George Yardley
Bill Russell
Maurice Stokes
Elgin Baylor
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Sam Jones
Jerry Lucas
Nate Thurmond
Lenny Wilkens
Dave Bing
Wes Unseld
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Walt Frazier
John Havlicek
Dave Cowens
Tiny Archibald
Bob McAdoo
Bob Lainer
Elvin Hayes
Bill Walton
Pete Maravich
George Gervin
David Thompson
Walter Davis
Moses Malone
Bob Dandridge
Larry Bird
Dennis Johnson
Dan Roundfield
Robert Parish
Gus Williams
Magic Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Bernard King
Isiah Thomas
Terry Cummings
Dominique Wilkins
Hakeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Kevin McHale
Charles Barkley
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Scottie Pippen
Shaquille O’Neil
Penny Hardaway
Grant Hill
Tim Hardaway
Glen Rice
Gary Payton
Tim Duncan
Alonzo Mourning
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Kevin Garnett
Chris Webber
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant
Jermaine O’Neil
Peja Stojakovic
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitski
LeBron James
Chauncey Billups
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Tony Parker
Carmelo Anthony
Blake Griffin
Joakim Noah
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Isaiah Thomas
Damian Lillard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Luka Doncic
Joel Embid
Devin Booker
Dont know
Just thinking that Petit won MVP closer to Peach Basket-ball than today.
How's going Andy?
Russ is probably the best player on this list simply because of the triple-double narrative plus it was no coincidence he fell off after this.
Malone is definitely the worst on this list. There's no way he should've won it over Timmy. No disrespect to others of course.
shaq should have won mvp that year
How tf did russ fall off? He is still good the lakers stint was bad but still would be a generational season for most players lol
Westbrook didn't completely fall off until the Lakers stint, he lost in the first round and he got a triple double so often it seemed normal. Add in Luka Doncic doing it often too and now no one cares about the milestone anymore.
I won't be mad if Embiid wins this year but I still think it should go to Jokic. He's basically averaging a triple double, shooting well over 60% from the field and led his team to the first seed in their conference. But if Embiid or even Giannis wins, I'll be happy for them too, all three had a terrific season
80’s Jordan put his stats to drag his teams to the postseason before Pippen came into his own
Andy is coming
Bron should have MVP and DMVP when he was in Miami tho
emflopper cried his way to an award 😢😂
And espn cried racism so he gets his woke award.
@@TheCrypticKnight I’m dead ASF, LMAO 😂🤣
Jordan's '88 season is the best individual season of an NBA player of all time, people who say Bird or Magic should have gotten the MVP have no regard for reality. And Jordan was robbed of probably at least 2 more MVPs because of the "successful team" sentiment.
best individual season is anyy season of wilt lol
@@jessbactar8728 Since most stats weren't available when Wilt was playing it's impossible to tell, but it was certainly not "every Wilt season". If you think Wilt's worst season is better than the best individual season of all time in basically every metric we know today then you are rather delusional ;).
Lmao, Hakeem exist so shut up
Still waiting for 2 separate videos about the pre-LeBron Cavs and the new CBA.
What’s that?
@@ND-OPS couple years before lebron got to cleveland. 1995-2003. Then 2003-2010.
@@ND-OPS I'm waiting for Andy make those 2 separate videos about the pre-LeBron Cavs and the new CBA agreed last March.
Moses came from no where? He dominated the aba.
1:40 I have to disagree. Team success shouldn’t be the most important criteria. Players can’t help it if management makes poor decisions. I get there’s an argument that they should make everyone around them better, but it’s so much deeper than that.
Its most valuable PLAYER, not most valuable team member, its not his fault if the other cannot play well
You will never convince me Kareem deserved his ‘76 mvp 😭
I mean.. i dnt think he did but it was other players who voted 4 him
He may have been the best player in general, but yeah, he didn’t have a very good case for the award.
The players at the time thought so.
How the fuck were the rockets even considered to be in the East when Malone played
Jaylen Brown your next video Andy Hoops 🙏🙏🙏
3:18 those division don’t even make sense. Cavs and the rockets are in the same division? Who tf is the kings?
Cincinnati
Division rules are gone now right?
11:28 yea, that was Harden’s year. Though, Russ was close imo.
The NBA shouldn't have changed the MVP trophy 🤦🏽♂️
Westbrook also broke the record for most triple doubles in the season
1:38 Not everyone. The best player in the league shouldn't be held back from winning an individual award if his teammates aren't good.
I hate that narratives & analytics are the primary deciding factors in MVP races. If it were up to me, it would just be a good old fashion eye test & 1 question: Who's the best damn player in the NBA. It's that simple. Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, & Giannis would all have more MVPs than they currently do.
As a Jokic fan, I honestly don’t have a problem with Embiid winning it. His reign at the end of the season won me over.
So okay, you can get the Playoffs in the 70 era per division record not by conference record.
Yeah the 99 season was a weird. A bit of a bubble year feel to it real but sorta not real feeling at the time. Karl’s MVP at the time wasn’t too controversial he was still great and his numbers were impacted 1 - but the weird ass shortened season but that combined with it being 1999 meant scores were down. 2020 bubble teams playing street all almost at times scores were up. I’d say Malone deserved that MVP. I think yeah his age but being the season after MJ retired - Jazz made the finals the previous 2 years and the Jazz come out and are still at or near the top? That helped Malone too
harden should have two MVP’s, not from 2017 but from 2019. he made offense look so easy
Spurs and Rockets in the East. My god, it seems so fake but I remember that NBA back then was weird af.
Practically kept nagging voters to give him the award
The problem I have with MVP is that, the criteria changes too much. If lower seeded team can have an MVP than. Kobe should’ve won it when, he dragged that Lakers team to the 7th seed years ago. Then with Westbrook, how is Westbrook a stat padder but Jokic isn’t? Don’t get me started on with D-Rose won the award over LeBron. That was an all-time joke.
Don’t think anybody could argue Jordan 88 season.
Joel Embiid has officially joined the list
And the winner of them all and Grand MVP goes to........ Michael Jordan. 23
Carl is Fugazi
🏆🏆🏆, thats what i think
You make great reports, but this seasons MVP is a pity MVP... Joel plays great but always plays like 50 games. He scores 40+ in blowout games when the game is over already, he stat pads a lot. His defense is great but overall, offense amazing minus the flopping, because like 6 free throws per game out of his 12 are bogus calls where he cries and yells. Giannis, Jokic and Taytum deserve it more.. but Nba i pushing for embiid for some reason, when Jokic and Giannis won, no one cried this much, now Embiid and his team, coach, ESPN cries for him. Give him his MVP and be done with it... He wont ever have a chance because he will get injured...
Personally, I'd want Jokic to win his third straight MVP... I mean the guy led his team to the top seed in the west. But, correct me if im wrong, if Embiid wins MVP,, is he the MVP with the least amount of games played in the regular season in NBA history with just 66? Lol
@@commentator245 No Bill Walton is.
@@commentator245 i honestly wouldnt mind if embiid was mvp like 3 years ago, he played little but his game wasnt dependable on flopping, he was literally running through people in the paint. Now he scores more because he flopps ans yells, literally ay least 2 calls every game he plays NO ONE TIUCHES HIM, he yells like he is getting raped and gets 2 free throws... I know his body isnt strong enough for him to play like giannis, but he should have takeed care of the body many years ago, but no he started some seqsons chubby... For me, this year he isnt mvp.. and people ignore the stad padding, whats the point if u score 20 out of your 40 when there is 25pts difference and other team is giving young kids and benchplayers minutes... But everyone ignores that. Plus he always has a great team, i do not know why they havent won ring already... Few years ago with jj reddick that team was ring worthy... But embiid got injured in playoff, and he looked chubby compared to today, so its his fault he got injured...
@@ST-tf4sq not trying to defend Embiid or anything but Jokic has always been a chubby player his entire career😐
Kobe shoulda made it in 2006, trying to drag like hell those Kers to playoffs. Yeah I mispelled the name on purpose noticing how bad they were, as cheap as it gets. 35.4 5 and 4.5 an 81 and 62 in three quarters multiple 40 and 50 point games. What else? Damn
I feel like the 70’s is a kinda underrated era.. there were just 2 leagues with top talent
bob macadoo was kd like before kd; people forget kareeem team was so trash with out him
Mcadoo was underrated. 6'9 forward/ center who could score from anywhere and was a good rebounder. People also forget he played on the showtime lakers in the 80s
@@tj5180 agreed man i wish people would appreciate him more plus if u wanna see player who was the orginal stretch 4 is mcadoo
Jokic 3 peat
Embiid deserves MVP
Undeserved MVP only because vote fatigue and the media narrative
@@zemljajeravna5336 Greatest scoring season by any player ever. By all the free throws it doesnt look like an mvp choice for mee
Where is steve nash 2nd mvp?
I like your content. But you gotta get your grammar right dude. Past and present tenses should not be confused
The bias is real. When Jokic was the 6th seed you mention the fact that the other mvp candidates had a much better supporting cast. However, regarding Westbrook, you conveniently ignore the fact that his team was significantly worse than Harden’s rockets and even worse than Jokic’s supporting cast.
Not really. Before that season, it was Harden's team that was projected to be worse. But the dantoni offense with guys like Ryan anderson worked well. Russ had oladipo and adams who were thought to be good talents next to Westbrook. But oladipo didn't mesh well with Russ ball dominance. And we saw the season after oladipos breakout most improved year. Russ doesn't elevate his teammates in the same way. A lot of those players post-russ turned out well in their careers, adams a rock for Memphis.
Meanwhile, again nuggets second option last year was Barton. And Barton is already a bench warmer now.
@@panner11 Stop it. Westbrook’s team was significantly worse than Harden’s. OKC had Alex Abrines, Ersan Ilyasova, Taj Gibson, Norris Cole, Nick Collison, Kyle Singler, Semaj Christon, Anthony Morrow, Joffrey Lauvernge. Sabonis was a rookie, Jerami Grant was still young and hadn’t developed yet, Andre Roberson (great defender, horrible on offense), Oladipo and Adams were ok and Enes Freedom was good on offense but a cone defensively. Harden’s roster was vastly superior to Westbrook’s thunder. Adams was better with Russ than he is with Memphis, Oladipo and the other younger players weren’t in their prime so obviously they’d be better later in their careers you dullard. Also, KD, PG, and Bradley Beal all had their best season with Russ. This also applies to Ibaka, Adams, and many other role players.
Embiid better send perkins a thank you basement for getting him that mvp.
Westbrick the stat padder lol
damn they really gave Karl Malone the MVP also known for him the Most Valuable Pedophile
Joel Embiidddddddd
I can't comment
The greatest mvp of all time was jordan in 88
First
first, havent even watched the video but i know it'll be great!
2017: westbrook deserves the MVP cuz muh triple double!!!
2018: well actually westbrook is stat padding to get the triple double (just like he was last year)
The league should retire the number 23 #jordan
The Royals went 55-25 in the 1963-1964 season, but Oscar Robertson won the season MVP in 1964
Isiah thomas got robbed in 2017
No I think Jokic is winning MVP again
harden shouldve been mvp in 2017
You know ball
Russ deserved it idc
@@Maxjuliann shut up casual
If seeding matters that much than Jokic shouldn't have won last year imo.
Nah, real men know it's Kawhi Leonard
Pretty much all of what you said about Moses malone in 1982 was false, he played for the 76ers at that point
No that was in 83.
He joined the team in 1983 in a sign and trade
Harden should have won instead of Westbrook. Check everyone's predictions for Rockets when Dwight left.
The thunder were also horrible. They would barely reach 20 games without russ. Even worse then the team russ had
@@tj5180 I doubt tank commander Oladipo and rookie Sabonis take that team past 20 games either.
2020s gonna take that crown from the 70s
Joel don’t deserve the mvp honestly
Jokic is the worst mvp of all time
Best mvp of all time, best passer in the history of the mvp, most efficient player in the history of the nba.
No offense but we all knew russ won that mvp because he had that historic trip dub season since big o, only to averaged trip dub again 3times
The last two still bogus to me. Should of been Harden 2017 and one of the other two in 2022. 6th seeds losing in the 1st round shouldn't be mvp if there's clearly a better candidate.
Jokic didn’t deserve that MVP.
Of course he did, and he deserves again.
@@zemljajeravna5336embiid