What Does Shaft Torque Actually Do?
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- Testing two near identical shafts with two different torque ratings to determine what effect on ball flight can occur by isolating that variable.
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Would this test be more valid if Matt couldn't see the ball flight of each shot and subconsciously make adjustments?
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love these videos, who knew a 15 minute video on shafts could be so interesting. thanks guys.
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I've been watching you guys for at least a year, and a subscription has been long overdue. I've been curious for a long time what shaft torque actually amounts to and why.
I'd love to see some more data and discussion about this sort of "nuance" aspects of shaft fitting.
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Great video on torque - I understand the concept but the results through testing are so true. Thanks again
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I feel like often times you guys try and shape your results to match the manufacturers claim. This video goes a long way for me because you called a spade a spade. And interestingly, Matty's comments about feel are 100% dead on. I once interviewed Jamie Pipes when he was with UST about Torque values. He said that 90% of the function of torque is FEEL and contrary to popular belief that Flex code is attributable to feel, it is actually Torque that the golfer feels (especially at impact). This was the impetus for their Tour SPX VTS lineup that had a million skews because they offered every weight and flex in 3 different Torques.
In summary - Outstanding video, gents.
1st , TXG you already know it’s going to be good , another adventure down the shaft rabbit hole , defiantly makes a difference , I have many ,always trying something different and they all feel different. , and I’ve found shaft and head combinations can make a big difference , one shaft feels horrible in one head ,in another feels great . Possibly head weight . 100% you have got to try different shafts and head combos on a launch monitor and see what gives you the best numbers
I have been thinking about getting new irons with graphite shafts, and I realize how many "identical" options are out there with different torques, I tried researching the ones that would match my steel shafts and realize that is nearly impossible without spending a few hours being properly fitted.
Thank you guys for providing a glimpse on the world of shaft torque.
Love these types of videos where you really say it's more than one thing. I love the live videos but it drives me crazy when people ask what shaft will fix x problem.
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Great experiment once again. For me, higher torque shafts seem to enhance the gear effect on my off-center hits. For someone like Matt who rarely misses the sweet spot, as shown here, it becomes more of the preference of feel and dispersion pattern.
Hey TXG, I’m a new subscriber and love the videos as I’ve gained a lot of knowledge that has helped me take strokes off my game in just the 6 months since tuning into the channel! Wanted to know if you could give some advise on what “puring” of a wood shaft or iron shaft can be helpful for? Recently went through a fitting and was told about this concept, but wondering why it’s beneficial if the irons used in the fitting aren’t “pured”. Thank you and always looking forward to the new videos!
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It's been fascinating to watch Matt go from openly saying he's not somebody who can identify shaft dynamics in the swing to now being able to confidently say "Yeah, I feel that movement low in the shaft." It's somehow reassuring to know that it can be learned like that.
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With these types of videos, I personally would really appreciate an explanation of what torque is and why it's a spec manufacturer's use at the beginning of the video. Maybe some sort of visual to help us understand exactly what torque is in relation to a shaft. Then, I'm watching Matty hit drives for 10 minutes and not truly understanding what is going on between the two shafts, so it doesn't really connect me to the video in any way because I still don't have any clue what torque is. Some of the comments are people saying they know what torque is from this vid, but they just think that low means left and high means right = torque.
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Great content guys! You break clubs down like no other! How drastic does a swing change effect a fitting. If you get fit one day and then make a swing change is the fit essentially a waste for the newer swing?
Great info
Myself and a couple guys were doing a little testing on the course and we came to the conclusion for us the higher torque shafts (softer feeling) shafts were harder to draw verse the lower torque (firmer feeling) shafts. Which was different than we had been told or thought.
Great stuff
Another great video concept. I am loving the new camera too.
Does the fitting shop at TXG have the abilty to measure shaft toque? If so check to see if it is the twisting left the same as it is twisting right.
I have never seen a toque measurement tested for a left hand golfer. I did some research into this about 10 years ago and found almost nothing.
From my experience, all of the older shafts will twist more in one direction than the other, usually to the left for low torque shafts.
You Guys have come so far since your very early collaboration with Mr Clements, well done and thank you for all the education you have imparted along the way!
Good stuff isn't it Bandit? I like Shaun as well. Do you look at Paul Wilsons stuff?
@@oldgold5848 No, I haven't come across Paul Wilson before I will check him out
@@banditbaker1675 he is very much a start the downswing with the legs sort of instructor. Now, I am not getting any younger and have always been a very armsy player which as the years go by tends to lead to distance drop off. I have a long way to go, but I try and just have a backswing thought of maintaining arm contact with my chest with a weak grip, and starting the downswing by transferring weight into my left foot. I have carried some standard loft 6 irons 180 yards recently which I have not done in years...if ever...
Sorry for the essay!
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@@banditbaker1675 yeah couldn't quite believe it. Most were about 165 carry but some really pure ones just flew!
Good info!
I always thought of torque in wood shafts having more to do with feel, which is completely subjective. I am very happy you have tested it out bcs I suggested wondered if their was more to it if they are puting it in the damn specs right next to flex and grams
Loving the Channel. Biggest problem I have have is that there is no fitters that I know in my country who have such a wide range of shafts to test. Most pro shops or retail outlets have 3 or 4 OEM shafts for each driver. Would be great to get a fitting the way u guys do it.
"Feeling a little bit chunkie" 😂😂
I've always used torque figure as a guide for shortlisting prospective shafts based on feel, personal preference being a dislike for low torque.
So true....get a professional fitting!! Well done guys!
Would love to have a conversation with you guys on this over a pint. I think gear effect is going to be a big factor, also level of acceleration or deceleration into impact. I think you are spot on that every swing will interact differently but I also think there’s not enough attention on the importance of torque. I went to a low torque shaft and my toe hits are almost completely without penalty. Lower torque shafts (3.0 and less) are mysterious and I think a lot of people might benefit from these shafts but never get fit into them
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I believe this correlates with point of the swing ''impact'' which I don't think most people think about but may be one of the most important part of the swing. If you can engineer it efficiently ( savvy with biomechanics of the customer) It can make impact easier without changing ball flight too much.
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Ian, good video thanks. Now can you do one with semi identical(butt/mid sections) shafts but with different tip firmness, soft tip section/firm tip section? And lets see how the dispersion is.
@7:18 sneaky sneaky!
Very interesting video, and really relevant to me at the moment! I was fitted into the VA Drago but it is just too expnsive for me. I am looking for an alternative and was trying to just match shafts torque for torque when looking. I am certain this is very ametuer-ish and useless. Could you suggest a shaft which is similar at a lower price point?
I have an F8 with the Aldila 2KNV blue in the 60 Stiff, I found that the face would twist during the downswing and result in a hook or a big push fade. Today I bought a Taylormade SIM with a HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g Stiff which is a lower torque shaft by 1.4 degrees. Whether that has made a difference, it's hard to tell. But I hit in way better and more consistently, my bad strikes were more forgiving with the SIM and I could visibly see the ball flight was much flatter and had less backspin. Excited to get out on the course and try it, but with how good i hit it today I'm hoping for the same.
Hi guys.
What were the Torque figures for the 2 shafts, ie. was it a 2.9 vs 4.5?
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Yeah it would have been nice if they mentioned this. I was disappointed.
An important concept to consider would be keeping a similar torque through-out the selection of metals in the bag..
I noticed this when I had a "Mitsubishi Tensai orange" on the driver, and a "hazardous smoke black" on my 3 wood... opposite spectrums in terms of torque, both stiff shafts. Completely different load times which can throw off tempo dramatically..
Since that realization I've settled with the fujikura ventus blue in the 3 wood and 5 wood. The torque on that is extremely similar to my driver shaft which is also fujikura in the pro 2.0 - 6S .
I can't say that either low or high torque is better than one or the other but from a personal preference I tend enjoy a faster load time which is how I would explain the low torque. Someone with a very deliberate swing style might enjoy those loads too build further in the take away.
Point being keep the torque similar, if not the same, with club selections.
I would also say the same thing for weight and flex from top to bottom with the irons.
Thanks for reading. Hope it sheds light on what I've discovered torque to feel like.
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Yeah, yeah go and get fit…the problem is there aren’t many people who understand all the variables like Ian. My wife said I can come visit you guys when I turn 40!
I feel i need to make a trip to TXG
The higher TQ shaft also dropped the toe versus the lower TQ shaft - so that's another big factor. In my experience, and I'm very sensitive to TQ with my delivery, there's just more left & right variability - if you go at it too quickly without staying down, the face can be open and Right, stay in it and you get that sweet perfect draw, stay in it hard and really go at it and it can turn over more. So I would agree in principle with what they've said, but once you leave it open with a higher TQ shaft, you then immediately stay in it longer and you change your delivery the next shot.
Awesome video! Question for you guys, I just got fit for a new 3 wood and was fit into a Paderson ballistic TP 85g x flex. I’ve never heard of paderson and can’t find much info or any reviews on those shafts. Any opinions is greatly appreciated. Thanks..
Very interesting findings by TFT. I need to test this. I play an M4 with stock shaft. I measured the same shaft raw and found 6.5d of torque. I love the driver but it definitely fades. I also love the fit of the shaft, Atmos 5R made for TM. So to test this I will have to try a 55 gram counter balanced shaft, stiff butt R flex, but lower torque. Suggestion for anything somewhat affordable and available to all?
Getting fit is the key here. I don’t know how much I wasted before just buying off the shelf store. 20 years ago got fit for Ping that I barely replaced last Xmas with Mizuno.i see it every weekend guys with new drivers or iron that a buddy recommended, not fitted, and are all over the place frustrated.
Sounds advice getting fit is so important.
What isn't mentioned here is that torque has a positive and negative effect depending on delivery vs flex. Someone who delivers the shaft early may get the shaft to begin to positively (closing face) torque and vice versa with someone who has a later release may till have negative (face holding slightly more open) or neutral torque at impact.....which is why you need a fitter like Ian who understands the relationship between bend profile, flex and torque to match the players swing characteristics, to accentuate the good points of the players swing and limit the bad side of their swing!! Love fitting, sometimes its more fun than the game itself!!
I don't even play golf....but I still find stuff like this interesting. Nothing like some data to cut through the marketing.
Another great video. Torque more feel than real?
Are you guys able to test SST pured shafts vs the same shaft that hasn't been pured? I think this would be a great thing for those getting fit to decide if it's worth the extra cost. Would be great to see how effective it is with driver, long irons, and short irons.
My torque window for driver is 3.1 to 3.6. Any flex in this window works pretty well.
Perfect window
Just noticed this. If you think about it you can actually tell which shaft (1 or 2) he was still hitting by looking at the color of the ball flight tracer on the sim. But good video though. Love this channel. Lets get to 100k subs!
99k subscribers!
Hey guys curious to know if you could do a comparison of shafts setup normally, and then pured - as in SST pure. Would be really curious to see the results and I feel like you would be able to go into the nuances of it all, and whether it’d be worth it for a plus 1 golfer. :)
huge kudos to ian here for pointing out that marketing isn't universal, and that there is no universal solution to what you're trying to fix.
Im the same way, have a HZRDUS blk 6.5 75g with low torque. Higher torque feel soft to me and pull hook to much. I prefer the baby fade with stiffer feeling shaft.
Is torque measurement to me signified how stout the shaft might feel relative to the rated stiffness. Something bloke Accra tzxtreme feels pretty smooth despite being fairly stiff. I never really thought it influenced flight on its own unless that feel made me change delivery.
I’m curious if the greatest potential for correcting dispersion, trajectory and curvature is found in driver fittings. My feeling is that irons with their shorter shafts, club/ turf contact and other variables, present you guys with different problems to solve. Years ago at a golf school a teacher told me that when you don’t drive the ball well you’ve lost the best opportunity to control the outcome of your shot. When you have the right club in your hands, it’s a nice thought.
My understanding is that high torque would give you more head deflection on off center hits than low torque. Meaning high torque on the same strike pattern would give you a wider dispersion than low torque.
Another great video. But, what does High Torgue means? Higher the torque number, therefore less stiff? Or, the other way around?
next video is what does matts torque actually do? answer make the ball go forever.
TXG. thanks for this video. Can you help me out with shallow my swing and would Yoga help my Back turn More? Thanks Greg of Ohio.
Took the driver out of the bag and will be making the SIM Rocket 3 as a tee only club. Do you have a handful of shafts to recommend for this use? Know varies person to person but looking to narrow down some shafts to try and test
Always found for myself and fitting others that softer tends to leave out right and stiffer has more integrity through impact and more left (also due to tending to be lower spinning therefore if too stiff a bit ducky in flight).
The common wisdom was always opposite to that which never made sense to me.
Bump this comment up to the top. 100% agree. In regards to myself I prefer a stiffer shaft bc all my drives would traditionally tail off to the right so I would have to aim far left. I finally got fitted last fall for the F9 Cobra. All my drives are going where I want them too. When they do tail off to the right its more of an exaggerated push fade. Hands were just lazy through impact. Easy correction. I'm willing to lose swing speed if it allows me to have accuracy off the tee and hit fairways more consistently.
Yes... stiffer shafts will be lower torque and higher torque will be less stiff. This is also the results that were found.
@@Dead_Goat not necessarily but the general theme is as such.
4:16 the moment you realize why Matty isn't on tour😂 golf is witchcraft and it gets the best of us at some point! Love the content and info as always guys!
Dave Conatty especially when that first drive he drops right on top of the line 😂
Hey TXG what do you guys think about fitting into two different shafts based on how tired/sore you are? In my personal experience when I’m feeling good anything less than a 70X in driver feels whippy, but if I’m tired out on the 17th/18th or sore from working out I almost want to reach for my old 63S
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