Retiring Old Pots in the Search for Something New
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- This week, I'm investigating a new bowl shape to finally replace an old form I'm retiring. I discuss my approach, show cross-sections, talk about form and function and finally throw and trim the new, angular bowl on my potter's wheel from my classic high iron stoneware clay body. I can't wait to fire these! Let me know what you think of this new shape?
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Introduction
0:23 - The retired pot in question
0:55 - The replacement!
1:55 - A comparison and cross section
2:46 - Weighing out and wedging clay (530 grams)
3:41 - Throwing the bowls
6:01 - Talking wiring off wire
7:20 - Ware board chat
8:39 - Trimming the bowls the next day
12:02 - Turing the foot of the bowl
13:45 - A before and after, (weight wise)
15:03 - The finished bowls
16:48 - Clean up!
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I love the old bowl forms, but I can appreciate you searching for something that is more consistent with your other work. The new bowls are beautiful. I'm a big fan of the taller foot and extra depth.
It’s a beautiful design but as a bowl lover myself, the taller and narrower foot gives me a sense of unease as it moves the center of mass higher and makes it less stable.
When I have hot liquid in the bowl, I definitely don’t want the bowl to feel like it can be a risk of tipping if someone nudges the table wrong.
And as someone of East Asian heritage, when I have a rice dish in a bowl, I often pick up the bowl with some part of my hand (often times my palm) on the foot to get the bowl closer to my mouth for a good scoop. I’d only see that the tall and narrow foot would make this awkward.
Then again, maybe it can be argued that this is not the intended foods for the bowl.
I agree. It's beautiful, but once filled, it may be impractical to actually eat out of. A vase can be appreciated for its own form, but a bowl should be, first and foremost, utilitarian.
The cross-section and cross-hatching was very helpful to see how this piece is thrown and trimmed.
This bowl shape does indeed feel and look more Florian Gadsby to me so a good natural development! Thank you so much for all your videos, they are so informative and knowledge-packed.
A lovely design, and I wholly support the idea of retiring a design you no longer feel excited by - you're not running a factory after all, and what you are excited about making is ultimately what draws people to your work. It was also really fascinating to see you in this rapid production mode for such an early batch of a design - despite your claims of being unused to the design, the speed at which you throw is staggering, and the precision clearly doesn't suffer whatsoever. Very much looking forward to seeing how these end up looking when glazed. Also, at first I thought the tall foot would make them (visually if not practically) unstable, but looking at the finished form at the end here those fears were easily put to bed. Beautifully proportioned and stunningly harmonious despite the unusually high foot for a bowl. Great work!
I love the updated shape! As for retiring old shapes, I don't feel there is any single correct answer - in my mind it's what feels right, what excites you, what would make you want to turn more bowls or whatever other pieces you make. Art and creation is just that in my mind, so retiring the old and carrying on with the new is great choice!
Change is good and the evolution of your own style is important as an artist. I like the new shape and am curious to see how they glaze. I am enjoying reading your book and always enjoy your videos.
I love the idea of having a set of shapes you make. That's what I'm trying to build now too.
My only critique is the foot seems too high. Definitely fits the aesthetic of your collection though. Maybe I'm just a sucker for smaller foot rings on bowls.
The amount of work that goes into your videos is incredible, a really coherent style from pottery to photography to video etc.! Thank you for selflessly sharing your knowledge and giving the rest of us something to aspire to!
If we do not embrace different ideas, we are destined to remain in a stagnate state, which of course, you will not progress, you will tire of repetition and your brain will drift elseshere. That's not what you bought in for. To truly express yourself is always freeing and joyful. When it's not, it is time for a change. Your work is Magnificent! I stsrted life as a professional singer, then a pottery teacher and now I paint, which is coming along oh so slowly. lol Thanks for sharing with us.
I really quite like the old forms with the crisp line around the foot ring. But I also can appreciate why you want to change it up to fit in with the rest of your style. The new ones look great!
I love them. The shape looks much more in line with your aesthetic than the wide shallow form of the old bowl. As an added bonus, it looks more practical as well.
I was worried when you said that you wanted a taller foot than the first prototype. I thought anything taller might look like it was on stilts. But once it was trimmed I found it very attractive.
I agree that a smaller maker's mark and therefore more narrow walls to the foot would be an improvement.
Overall they look beautiful, I can't wait to see them glazed and fired!
I love that tall foot! It creates really sophisticated form, and looks so classic, yet modern and personal. Thank you for the inspiration to experiment in such precise way
excellent bowl - totally agree the old one was out of place and these angular forms are not just more consistent, but also more sophisticated and modern
It’s a beauty. In my small studio, I only ever make 10 of one pot at a time. Next session I start something new. I couldn’t imagine making the same pot over and over. Reinventing your pots is half the fun!
I love watching you create a new shape, it was fascinating! I feel like student sucking in every bit of knowledge you speak. I like the new shape can’t wait to see it glazed and fired.
they're incredible and a very fitting choice with what I've seen to be your style.
i love the new shape! it definitely strikes me as more sculptural/decorative than a bowl i'd want to eat out of - i can just imagine one or maybe a series of them arranged on a mantle.
i think 'retiring' a form is great and even a healthy thing for an artist to do - as skills, artistry, and tastes develop it's good to keep active and check in with how your work is satisfying your own interests
I love the new shape, it looks great and fits so well with the rest!
Florian, I like the beautiful transformation of the bowl and it is now in your same design.. thank you very much for the video
Oh, it’s very elegant shape 🩵
I can see how the new shape fits into your current line of work, but I can't help but see them as upside-down shades from a 70's-style Vemco drafter's lamp.
I have a definite opinion. You are an artist. Your forms should excite you. Always reach out for more versatility. Always challenge yourself. Always find the joy in making and then your customers will also experience joy from what you've made.
I really like your play on the endless column! 😄
Yes, these are lovely! I can't wait to see how they hold up after being fired. Also, it is always "okay" to retire that which feels "old"
You inspired me to make more!
Love the "bowl-ness" of the new one. And I gravitate toward a tall narrow foot on anything. The "surprise" of the angularity of the outside versus the perfect curve on the inside is so successful. I would eat my porridge out of one of these any day! And of course I watched to the end of the video. I highly appreciate the specificity around your trimming moves. Very very helpful. Keep on keepin' on!
I love the new shape. Fits very well with your other work!
I love the new shape. It is definitely a Florian shape. Congratulations with it. 👍💕🇩🇰
There is no doubt in my mind that this new bowl shape screams Florian Gadsby
The angular shape is definitely a great choice, because so many of your other clay pieces have an angular shape, and it feels unique to you
I fully support your desire to venture into new but also evolved shapes. Composing, writing and even research techniques evolve in my experience. A craft should not be understood as a goal or a fixed point along a route but walking the route towards something
Looking at the untrimmed bowl I thought to myself "I would trim this a totally different way" which gave me a video idea. If you were to want to do a collab video with another potter, you could each throw something like 6 bowls each. Then you would switch three of your bowls with the other person and trim all 6 of them. I think it'd be interesting to see how much trimming really shapes a bowl and it would show off the styles of each potter :)
I was lucky enough to be pointed to FG's videos early on. As someone then (and arguably still) very new to the wheel, I have learned something every time I view them -- and learned when reviewing them again, in light of trying out the techniques in real life, realizing I didn't quite get all of it. I suspect I'll never stop learning from them, no matter how "advanced" I might become. Thanks, FG, for sharing your knowledge and experience to the end of training for all of us.
Yes, these are definitely more “Florian Gadsby” with the lovely angles! As for “retiring” an earlier version, maybe it’s not really “retiring” but rather “evolving” from one version to the next? Thank you for posting your videos, they’ve been enormously helpful to me as a newly aspiring potter.
If the old form does not excite you any more, then that is enough reason to discontinue it I think. I adore the new form you created though, and would love to pick one up at one of your restocks.
The shape is beautiful, the tall foot makes 'a bowl' look elegant. You were wondering if the food would hold it temperature, in my case the bowl is so delicate in looks I'd either forget to eat and just stare at the bowl or worry I'd be to clumsy and manhandle it incorrectly haha. Can't wait to see how you glaze them and know how you feel about using your new creation. Thankyou for sharing your thoughts and making practice.😊
definitely agree this new shape fits in with your others.love it!
I like the way the new style bowl fits into the collection!
I love the new shape.
Love these
Love it!
Like the new form with exception of the high foot- felt a bit high for the bowl. Can’t wait to see the final glazed products .
My mother would like these beautiful bowls, she prefers wide deep bowls whilst I prefer shallow bowls with wide flat rims.
They do feel more your style, and retiring something old is not a bad thing if you aren't feeling it.
The small clips about a tool that you use is really interesting.
Love the angle on the bowl. I understand what you searched in a new foot. For me the foot did not resonate with me. Please don't see this as a negative comment or me telling you how to do your craft. I really felt the same as you called it a sculptural stand.
Thanks, it's beautiful! How wide do you open the floor in the beginning? Thanks
Oh I like the new one
That was a good cross-section. It was cool to see how precisely you'd formed the shape.
I like the look a lot I really want to see them glazed
You really need an apprentice soon, and I must humbly suggest myself :D
New is good if it does its job better. I'm not quite sure the new bowl will do a better job at holding my porridge while I eat it.
You might need one of those magnifying glasses for watchmakers when making the F of your stamp for these bowls 😅. The shape definitely looks you.
Tall foot may be elegant but might be more unstable. I prefer the first model.... because you can stack more of them on the top of each other in the cupboard. ant they are wider.
Cheers.
Very sad to hear the maker of those spin-wheel is now retired and will no longer produce them. on to looking for a replacement option
I definitely think the new form is more, you. And I do like it. I'm just curious if it's going to look a bit out of place with having a much taller foot than some of your other pieces. But that opinion could change once they're fired and glazed. 🤔
Hi Florian, I do love the new shape. I wonder if you could let me know what clay body, you are using.
I prefer the old bowl but the new one is more artsy & angular in line with your collection.
May I ask what is that staging light you showed toward the end?
I love your old bowls and wish I had a set, however if these are what make you excited then of course focus on these instead
Florian ive been quite inspired by a lot of your work but i am curious if you have ever expirimented with marbling clays. Ive found at least in my opinion that the marbling of high iron clays and porcelain clays make for beautiful combinations of swirls and textures with subtitles that fit your simplistic style. I think that your glazes might also fight a barbles clay particularly well because of how the high iron will change the glaze to something different than the porcelain will give. While i use mostly clear glazes on my works im curious if you have and or will try marbling clays and even possibly selling them. If you want some reference photos from my works Id be happy to send some.
-Thank you for your time and wonderful inspiration.
With the angular shape, the walls are now of varying thickness. Are you concerned whether that presents any issues in both the drying and glazing stages?
I love this bowl. Wonder how your Ramen bowl collab helped in imagining this new form. Weight at the bottom is important for stability and the hollow will be a tactile experience for the user- consider keeping the walls as thick as you have them in the video. Cheers
9:02 don’t have to worry about anyone trying to break in…
“Fetch me their souls” 😈😈😈
Ciroooo 😍
This absolutely looks like a florian gadsby bowl to me, I would love to video on how you develop a design and how you came to this design
Ps: a suggestion when trimming the bases i think you should add a over head light to improve visibility both for us and u maybe if the camera is in the was you can just add a continuous light to it ✌🏻️
I reall love the new bowl and I think they fit you better but I think in the future in like make 2 or 3 years you could make original bowl batches for fun and I bet they would sell
If you are feeling lackluster about an item you are making, then grow and expand. Do you find that new shape stable to use? How is the taller foot ring?
the retired shape price is going to skyrocket in second hand market
Will there be a problem firing because of the difference in outside and inside shape and thickness
(Ciro murder)
I have always been told to flood the wheel head with water before cutting and lifting things off. Why?
動画ありがとうございました。
Do you use the 5m or the 10m shell wire from the link in the description? Def going to buy some 😊
I buy a long piece and then cut it to size to fit the length I need.
Omg lmao I thought that was the thickness of the wire thanks!!😅😭💀
I’m sorta new to ceramics and I don’t gas fire so I might be a tad confused but how do you glaze so fair down I always have to leave quite a lot of bare clay incase of dripping
It has to do with his glazes. They don't flow as mush while firering as whatever you're using.
@@melissaharris3389 ahhh cool thanks :)
Thinking about retiring acform indicates a loss of interest in turning the particular shape. Boredom is not conducive to creativity, unlike restlessness to do something new.
Regarding the taller shape, it is different. I like your older shape better. A simple case of personal preferences 😊
retiring a shape thats boring for you to make should never be controversial! make new, fun things! experimentation is life
i love the angular profile of the new bowls, but the very high final foot proportions does make them look a bit like an industrial funnel. of course, i'm hardly qualified to have an opinion on art in the flrst place.
First! hahah
a bowl in the shape of a dead cat
What?!
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