Skyrim - The SECRET Mysteries of Flesh Magic - Elder Scrolls Lore & Theories

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2020
  • In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we discuss the secret mysteries of Flesh Magic! We journey through multiple Elder Scrolls games, including not only Skyrim, but Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and its Shivering Isles DLC, as well as The Elder Scrolls Online.
    This is one of the most fascinating types of magic, and while it's hard to define, there's many interesting examples popping up throughout Tamriel's history, going back quite far on the timeline.
    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
    At FudgeMuppet, we uncover the elder scrolls lore secrets that make the games so sensational, and in this video we're going to be exploring the many examples we could find of a very unique type of magic! Our TESV footage is brought to life with a host of awesome Skyrim mods, but we also feature footage from ESO and TES IV to show off the best examples in all their glory. Best of all, we get to visit the realm of the Daedric Prince of Madness, Sheogorath!
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Komentáře • 544

  • @FudgeMuppet
    @FudgeMuppet  Před 3 lety +165

    Thank you for all the love and support you've been showing on the channel recently! We're really grateful for all of the kind words, feedback and passion for these topics. There's two things we'd love to let you know. Firstly, if you're interested in further exploration of the topic discussed of Relmyna and Sheogorath having a thing, there's actually a note you can find called Letter to Sheogorath. Relmyna talks about how she misses Sheogorath, and mentions that when she visits the Gatekeeper, she is reminded of when they created him. She references Sheogorath's "glistening body in the pool" and how he "lovingly" blended the "components of flesh that would become our child". I (Michael) could make a dedicated Relmyna video sometime if you wanted me to - just let me know. Secondly, if you love these topics and the elder scrolls in general, definitely check out our new podcast! We've done 3 episodes already and soon to record the 4th, with each one focusing on a particular TES topic. Thanks everyone!

    • @israelflores5102
      @israelflores5102 Před 3 lety +5

      Yessss yall really make the best elderscrolls content

    • @Kanuui-
      @Kanuui- Před 3 lety +7

      Yeah, a relmyna video would be wonderful Michael!

    • @PabloEscobar-vh6jq
      @PabloEscobar-vh6jq Před 3 lety +4

      You guys are the best

    • @bonyfoxschannel
      @bonyfoxschannel Před 3 lety +2

      You perhaps could have incorporated mention about ESO necromancer class, with flesh atro ultimate

    • @ronanthedaedrologist4297
      @ronanthedaedrologist4297 Před 3 lety +2

      Hey Guys! Big fan as you can probably guess from the name. I was wondering if you could maybe do a build that is played in the game oblivion or Morrowind.

  • @CyberController-
    @CyberController- Před 3 lety +394

    Sheogorath: *sews a bunch of corpses together*
    Random Daedra: It's free real estate

    • @CyberController-
      @CyberController- Před 3 lety +3

      @@Olsenator You gotta bring a soul, but the body's free.

  • @Galimeer5
    @Galimeer5 Před 3 lety +327

    Restoration: healing
    Necromancy: healing but late
    Carnomancy: healing but _very_ late and you had to copy from your friend's notes

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 Před 3 lety +52

      necromancy is just healing without giving up.

    • @pj5403
      @pj5403 Před 3 lety +13

      Destruction is just a way to use necromancy

    • @AnthonyTrudeau
      @AnthonyTrudeau Před 3 lety +10

      @@pj5403 destruction: healing with extra steps.

    • @Artman408
      @Artman408 Před 3 lety +1

      Meatmancy

  • @chrisppx
    @chrisppx Před 3 lety +551

    What if the Dragonborn used flesh magic in Helgen to shift their face and race in real time?

    • @jacobislucas
      @jacobislucas Před 3 lety +135

      It explains why they wanted to kill him/her before ulfric

    • @purpledevilr7463
      @purpledevilr7463 Před 3 lety +62

      Well ok want that to be official lore now.

    • @bryanlatham4508
      @bryanlatham4508 Před 3 lety +74

      Hadvar has....SEEN things

    • @howdoilogin
      @howdoilogin Před 3 lety +157

      "Who....are you?"
      "Why Hadvar-" _flesh melds in real time_
      "-I'm you."

    • @pj5403
      @pj5403 Před 3 lety +14

      Omg it makes sense now

  • @adamxei9073
    @adamxei9073 Před 3 lety +870

    I'm glad to see this topic....... *FLESHED* out

  • @joemitchell6057
    @joemitchell6057 Před 3 lety +417

    Egypt:. Let's just cover them in salt so they don't rott
    Elder Scrolls: MAGIC, EVERYTHING IS DONE BY MAGIC

    • @NoahofWill
      @NoahofWill Před 3 lety +45

      To be fair, if magic existed in this world, would you be content to be so boring as to only use salt?

    • @vermillion6159
      @vermillion6159 Před 3 lety +44

      @@NoahofWill that's why I don't understand the Nords in Skyrim. They keep saying that magic is for the weak and for elves, but in the long run it's more effective than melee weapons. Sure, their distrust is somewhat justified due to the collapse of Winterhold and recent Thalmor activities, but I wouldn't call it weak at all.
      That's like fighting with swords in the modern day while making fun of people who use firearms, because they're not physically strong enough to wield a "real" weapon.

    • @windebiesteultima3317
      @windebiesteultima3317 Před 3 lety +32

      Lukas Langdon the Nords disdain for magic was apparently kinda recent, after the oblivion crisis. Before than, nords used to respect magic, even called mages “Clever-Men”

    • @jjs8426
      @jjs8426 Před 3 lety +3

      @@NoahofWill magic does exist homie just not like that

    • @insanenikral7011
      @insanenikral7011 Před 3 lety +8

      ​@@vermillion6159 I mean
      if you consider how beefier melee followers treat enemy mages in Skyrim
      It's kinda like your HEMA bro who benches tanking a glock to turn the shooter's clavicle into dust with a great sword lmao

  • @beardedwanderer4408
    @beardedwanderer4408 Před 3 lety +181

    I forgot how dramatic the ritual was, really brought me in to what I was doing and awakened my love for the necromantic arts.

    • @ericcloud1023
      @ericcloud1023 Před 3 lety +11

      Hey guys let's all grab a shovel, head to the graveyard, and get too it!!! Pro tip: bring a black robe (hooded!) And a litre of baby blood (fresher the better, so bring the kids along!)

    • @SupernaturalDetective
      @SupernaturalDetective Před 3 lety +16

      For me necromancy as a way to punish those who I feel that Death is too good for them

    • @vermillion6159
      @vermillion6159 Před 3 lety +9

      @@SupernaturalDetective the best way to be a necromancer while being morally good (in a certain way at least).

    • @SupernaturalDetective
      @SupernaturalDetective Před 3 lety +2

      Lukas Langdon Chaotic good

    • @stephencampbell2735
      @stephencampbell2735 Před 3 lety +1

      It also really helped to have the intense Jeremy soule music in the background while the ritual was going on lol

  • @sebastiandalessandro4221
    @sebastiandalessandro4221 Před 3 lety +36

    The speech she gives when creating the gatekeeper is so well written...

    • @hylianexpected1171
      @hylianexpected1171 Před 3 lety

      Right? I really enjoyed it.

    • @marystone860
      @marystone860 Před 3 lety +3

      Too bad she's not a trainer, like several others back in Cyrodill. The awesome and crazy s%#@ you could learn from her!

  • @TheAssassinbatosai
    @TheAssassinbatosai Před 3 lety +112

    Last time I was this early the Aedra still had physical forms.

  • @larryhinkle9390
    @larryhinkle9390 Před 3 lety +148

    You didnt get into the Briarhearts. That has to be some form of flesh magic. I thought youd dive deep into that

    • @j4x0l4n73rn
      @j4x0l4n73rn Před 3 lety +34

      Both the Briarhearts and the very transformation of the Hags themselves is implied to be the same kind of "old magic" that the Butcher was studying. The magic of flesh is as old as flesh itself, and that's the tradition that the hagravens and the forsworn keep alive. Massive oversight.

    • @libertyprime3482
      @libertyprime3482 Před 3 lety +2

      No actually the Briarheart or all that is considered "old magic" by the forsworn is a form of very powerful restoration magic that is not practiced by any mages (other than forsworn and hagravens) in present day.

    • @elgatto3133
      @elgatto3133 Před 3 lety +1

      @@libertyprime3482 You're forgetting about neleth

    • @Dong_Harvey
      @Dong_Harvey Před 2 lety

      Also Bonewalkers

    • @YuiFunami
      @YuiFunami Před 2 lety

      @@libertyprime3482 auger of dunlain

  • @OmniValor
    @OmniValor Před 3 lety +95

    The Guardian gets attacked
    The Guardian: "It's just a flesh wound"

  • @nomousecat
    @nomousecat Před 3 lety +30

    Relmyna also has a love letter to Sheogorath on her, detailing some very saucy descriptions of the Daedra that involve him in the Cistern of Substantiation.

  • @johnross2470
    @johnross2470 Před 3 lety +98

    I wonder if defeating Alduin and "breaking the dragon" could have caused a dragon break making the outcome of the factions and all side questions be completed and incompleted at the same time like what happened with the warp in the west.

    • @jakeoneill1913
      @jakeoneill1913 Před 3 lety +9

      That’s an interesting theory , we won’t know till elder scrolls 6 comes out

    • @sleepysartorialist
      @sleepysartorialist Před 3 lety +1

      you put a question I couldn't quite verbalize into perfect english

    • @quincebielka8843
      @quincebielka8843 Před 3 lety +4

      Probably with multiple options on what happens with the civil war they need to come up with some dragon break reason

    • @heavenbot
      @heavenbot Před 3 lety +4

      I mean, you intentionally cause a dragon break when reading the Elder Scroll at the Throat of the World, and canonically that happens before the (potential) civil war truce. Perfect storm for some warping, this time in the north!

    • @teddycouch9306
      @teddycouch9306 Před 3 lety

      That didn't even happen in nirn, so.... No.

  • @brandonanderson6691
    @brandonanderson6691 Před 3 lety +38

    "No one likes you that much." I laughed way too hard at that.

  • @AThousandYoung
    @AThousandYoung Před 3 lety +20

    In Morrowind there's a Telvanni who works with Corprus magic. He made his own daughter-wives via some cloning process.

  • @bronzecobra8556
    @bronzecobra8556 Před 3 lety +53

    Hey Fudgemuppet, I was wondering if you could do more videos about unique magic in Tamriel, such as celestial magic in ancient Hammerfell, fey magic, warden nature magic, aedric magic, and ash lander wise women magic. There is also the harmonious masters.

  • @Akatsukimember6
    @Akatsukimember6 Před 3 lety +54

    I‘d love a „Conjure Flesh armour“ or a „meat tentacle“ spell where you augment your body with. And don‘t forget the meat shield (pun intended)

  • @KRODELUM
    @KRODELUM Před 3 lety +44

    I hope the next installment of the elder scrolls lets us dabble in “flesh magic”... it seems like every time I start a play through of Skyrim I always come back to conjuration.. it just seems so powerful and interesting compared to other schools of magic..

    • @menacetosociety9076
      @menacetosociety9076 Před 3 lety +5

      its hella fustrating to be limited to such a small number of summons

    • @combatpanda4264
      @combatpanda4264 Před 3 lety +5

      @@menacetosociety9076 your right. But beyond that think, where are we conjuring from? I could already think of a 'void pocket' perk that can grant increased carry weight. And bound weapons DEFINITELY need some rework. They should lvl along with u and your one handed lvl.

    • @MeepChangeling
      @MeepChangeling Před 2 lety

      GO play Morrowind. You'd love Mysticism :3 It's a crime they cut it :c

  • @headgames3115
    @headgames3115 Před 3 lety +119

    TES 6 better have Sand Magic. They talked all about it when learning Ash Magic, and leaving it out would be just another shameful Bethesda oversight (or, a convenient excuse for DLC).

    • @more17
      @more17 Před 3 lety +4

      That would be cool.

    • @kalebb1226
      @kalebb1226 Před 3 lety +6

      Gara

    • @galenjones9529
      @galenjones9529 Před 3 lety +11

      There's magic for every type of attribute. Only that fire, frost and shock are the most commonly known/taught.

    • @bronzecobra8556
      @bronzecobra8556 Před 3 lety +17

      I hope they have star magic, in eso it allowed ancient nedes in Hammerfell to make celestial beings through the use of nirncrux. Imagine being able to create your own aedric/ magna ge like spirits that you can summon to do your bidding. In fact, the nedes even worshipped the most powerful ones as gods.

    • @MrGoatflakes
      @MrGoatflakes Před 3 lety +13

      Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not, it's not a story the Mage's Guild would tell you... He was an Ayelid so powerful and wise he could influence the Daedra to create... Sand.

  • @LairdWackyla
    @LairdWackyla Před 3 lety +25

    while this is just conjecture, I imagine Void Essence may be a refined, or possibly a corrupted form of void salts, and it is through that, that a daedric soul can be bound to the Flesh Atronach.
    I will also say that the mentions of flesh magic being used to change the living reminds me of how the mortal races were often changed by the daedric princes, and I wonder if perhaps they are the same magic, just with the magnatudal difference between a mortal and a Daeric Prince.

  • @helixgamer8894
    @helixgamer8894 Před 3 lety +13

    „let me know if you want a dedicated video on ...“
    YES! please! you don‘t even need to ask, we always want more!

  • @shawnwilburn5382
    @shawnwilburn5382 Před 3 lety +76

    Could "true flesh" refer to the actual element she claims to have discovered? Perhaps true elemental flesh is pure, primordial biomass? Maybe there is a realm of oblivion that consists entirely of primordial flesh like how there are realms for fire, ice and lightning?

    • @hylianexpected1171
      @hylianexpected1171 Před 3 lety +22

      Dude, that's a HORRIFYING thought because it's crazy... but just crazy enough that there's almost definitely a place like that in Oblivion 😬

    • @Mysticpaw
      @Mysticpaw Před 3 lety +16

      There are those flesh pods with random loot inside them in mehrune dagon's realms in oblivion. I don't think anyone knows where they come from.

    • @heyimanameheyimalastname
      @heyimanameheyimalastname Před 3 lety +4

      Yep, that's what I think as well. Necromantic flesh creations just seem like golems brought to life with the soul magic that Necromancy is all about, no different from the skeletal creations other than the ingredients involved. But just like a Frost Atronach isn't just normal mundane ice that's being controlled by a daedra but actually a being made of "true ice" being summoned from an elemental realm of Oblivion, I think the same is true of Flesh Atronachs.

    • @__jonbud______________________
      @__jonbud______________________ Před 3 lety +7

      @@Mysticpaw I never really tried verifying it but because they had stuff like clothes and pocket change in them I always figured the flesh pods were made from mortals. Partly because when I saw the nearby larger containers that looked like giant living daedric hearts, I figured they were punished daedra based on what I'd read in previous games about things like bound/daedric weapons and how daedric punishment isn't always as quick and simple as death, since they eventually can reform after death.

    • @Mysticpaw
      @Mysticpaw Před 3 lety +3

      @@__jonbud______________________ I think you are right. I didnt remember that explanation of them when I wrote my previous comment.

  • @CJ_F0x
    @CJ_F0x Před 3 lety +40

    I can't see the armor on ordinary flesh atronachs having any protective value. Definitely placed there for either aesthetics or holding the bodyparts together, likely both. However the gatekeeper seems to have some protective layer on his belly. The belly is a known weak spot, often not as well protected as the rest of the body seeming as it would limit manoeuvrability. Maybe the gatekeepers belly armor serves such a purpose seeming as he doest seem to concerned with manoeuvrability. Bear in mind that if it hadn't been there, it would have left a large opening for adventurers to lob heaps of spears and arrows onto it, and as mighty as the gatekeeper may be, I can imagine it being rather difficult to fend off all these enemies and protected his belly at the same time.

    • @alec4041
      @alec4041 Před 3 lety

      Spears?
      if only

    • @vexingdata2956
      @vexingdata2956 Před 3 lety

      However, what if the armor pieces are a means to hold the soul inside the flesh? Like extra protection.

    • @zacharycrawford6
      @zacharycrawford6 Před 3 lety

      The armor has no protective value that I can see, since the only thing that can hurt and kill a gatekeeper is another gatekeeper

    • @kalebb1226
      @kalebb1226 Před 2 lety

      Reminds me of cenobites.

  • @Baconpotato710
    @Baconpotato710 Před 3 lety +10

    On the void essence section he refers to oblivion as "there", sometimes the shivering isles are so nice that after the main game gate crawl we forget it's oblivion.

  • @BingFox
    @BingFox Před 3 lety +17

    I'd say Dagoth Ur's blight and what changes he makes with his followers using the corpus is similar to flesh magic.

    • @moch.farisdzulfiqar6123
      @moch.farisdzulfiqar6123 Před 3 lety +3

      Also 'corpus' itself means 'body'

    • @__jonbud______________________
      @__jonbud______________________ Před 3 lety +1

      Well he was working with the literal heart of the god most responsible for the creation of the mortal plane. In addition to its raw power and influence over the world, I'm not sure if there's anything else that can qualify as "primordial flesh" on Nirn.

    • @vonfaustien3957
      @vonfaustien3957 Před 3 lety +1

      @@__jonbud______________________ well you have the primordial chaotic shape shifting beings that azura and Yiffri made the Khajiit and bosmer out of

    • @__jonbud______________________
      @__jonbud______________________ Před 3 lety +1

      @@vonfaustien3957 yeah but those beings got fundamentally altered from their original states countless generations ago. Between the two, the closest we get now is the Bosmer wild hunt, which seems to be an unstable degeneration and is rumored to result in potentially a new monster with permanent form from the survivor of the cannibalistic frenzy at the end.
      I'll agree with you that it's definitely closer to some concept of primordial flesh, but it's still fundamentally altered and not quite of the same magnitude of the Heart. I'm not sure how close the Heart was to it's original composition after Dwemer tonal architects tried messing with it's nature and properties through tonal manipulation or it's relatively current state after everything that's happened with Red Mountain (whole other topic) but it seems to have been the closest thing around that qualified as a relatively stable surviving sample of flesh closest to the original concept of "flesh" as it's understood.

  • @patricialavery8270
    @patricialavery8270 Před 2 lety +2

    The fact the face sculptor is in the hidden headquarters of the Thieves Guild suggests she somehow got in trouble with authorities somewhere. Maybe changing the faces of wanted criminals? Maybe helping dissidents escape the Thalmor? You can see why she might have been given sanctuary there,since her talents might be needed someday should a thief ,assassin or someone else connected to Maven Blackbriar's enterprises need to disappear from official view.

  • @purpledevilr7463
    @purpledevilr7463 Před 3 lety +15

    I love a flesh magic mod or even for it to appear in elder scrolls 6.

  • @nicholasgait3739
    @nicholasgait3739 Před 3 lety +18

    Do we even know Relmyna's age I mean if she started out as a chimer and eventually joined an early mages guild before they caught up with her. Just a thought

  • @ansmith3175
    @ansmith3175 Před 3 lety +8

    last time i was this early i still didnt have an arrow in the knee.

  • @hys4866
    @hys4866 Před 3 lety

    I listen to this at work on spotify. I love the conjecture and love discussion so much. Keep doing what you love guys!

  • @skylerinscore5747
    @skylerinscore5747 Před 3 lety

    I love when you guys make longer videos. I can just have the videos play while I'm doing other stuff

  • @TrueTributes13
    @TrueTributes13 Před měsícem

    This was absolutely spectactular, so so so much detail, love the passion for the elder scrolls universe!

  • @kazune414
    @kazune414 Před 3 lety

    I love videos covering more obscure magic types, so you should definitely make more in the future.

  • @3689dyf
    @3689dyf Před 3 lety +21

    Couldn’t flesh magic have medical use? Say a heart transplant or giving an amputee a new hand or something?

    • @prod.californiajay
      @prod.californiajay Před 3 lety +3

      The FBI would like to know your location

    • @rhysnw1
      @rhysnw1 Před 3 lety +1

      well yes but no, probably wouldn't work on a living target then at that stage what's the point

    • @bronzecobra8556
      @bronzecobra8556 Před 3 lety

      I suppose it’s possible

    • @bigode9743
      @bigode9743 Před 3 lety +6

      Imagine it is TES6, you find a guy that went through a chirurgical process with some shady dude who said that he could return him his lost hand. However, the hand was infused with a daedra's essence, so it has a will of its own and wont respond to the reciever. The man, desperate, asks for your help and pleads for you to find the guy and "deal" with him. Upon finding him you discover that he is a redguard sorcerer trying to master applied flesh magic to help people in need but he couldn't do that back in Hammerfell because of all the negavite bias. So you are met with the choice of killing the sorcerer or killing the "failed experiment", the latter option providing the redguard with more fleshy bits to help in his research.

    • @rhysnw1
      @rhysnw1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@bigode9743 send this to Bethesda lol

  • @HeroLionHeart68
    @HeroLionHeart68 Před rokem

    Wish your newer videos had scenes with words in them to,This is was always one of my favorites.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před 3 lety +1

    Neat explanation! Thanks for uploading!

  • @JackBlack-qn7us
    @JackBlack-qn7us Před 2 lety +1

    When I played a necromancer that quip "We'll make a necromancer out of you yet!" really hurt my feelings.

  • @Druzz48
    @Druzz48 Před 3 lety

    Thank guys , helps with boredom at work. Love the lore of the videos

  • @SilverFang2789
    @SilverFang2789 Před 3 lety +37

    Flesh magic is just Sheogorath's twisted version of necromancy

    • @thomasrosendahl2783
      @thomasrosendahl2783 Před 3 lety +2

      Relmyna Verenim invented flesh magic, Shegorath has nothing to do with it. He did not even know there were 5 elements of magic lol.

  • @alvin13miller
    @alvin13miller Před 3 lety

    Awesome vids like always

  • @yogi147
    @yogi147 Před 3 lety +3

    I rebought Skyrim and ESO just because of your videos. I’ve only been watching for about a month. But please keep up your great work. And begin your preparations for the next one!

  • @lostecho5017
    @lostecho5017 Před 3 lety +5

    At last, all the questions I have had are being answered! Now I shall create the ultimate army of flesh atronochs and conquer Skyrim!

  • @buckweetthesupernaturalsho4047

    Awesome video

  • @FindleyMusician
    @FindleyMusician Před 3 lety +1

    In the World of Darkness, there's a vampire clan called the Tzimisce who craft things with flesh. They look like Cenobites from Hellraiser.

  • @baaler3953
    @baaler3953 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm glad you guys decided to shine a flesh-light on this topic

  • @rhysnw1
    @rhysnw1 Před 3 lety

    Fantastic video, I didn't even realise it was 30 minutes long until it was over lol

  • @plasnania
    @plasnania Před 3 lety

    Last week I finished the Shivering Isles DLC and was saddened to not see a Relmyna video already here. I'd love it if you could fit one into your schedule.

  • @Cheerybelle
    @Cheerybelle Před 3 lety

    Great video, m8s!

  • @lexeeh
    @lexeeh Před 2 lety

    Love your content

  • @playerslayer4935
    @playerslayer4935 Před 3 lety +5

    Dude Skyrim ha so much lore and it’s great this Channel tries to cover as much as possible

    • @Gihmpy
      @Gihmpy Před 3 lety +2

      The Elder Scrolls* Skyrim is just one game and one piece of the entire cake

    • @playerslayer4935
      @playerslayer4935 Před 3 lety

      Donovan Anglin I was talking about Skyrim at first then meant all of the lore

  • @martian14671
    @martian14671 Před 3 lety

    Is it me or is this channel ultra active the last few mnths? Much happiness

  • @empress9554
    @empress9554 Před 3 lety +1

    A vid about necromancer elf lady would be cool.

  • @masky1778
    @masky1778 Před 3 lety

    Epic Intro Music that makes me feel powerful!

  • @aedyn3413
    @aedyn3413 Před 3 lety +1

    Now that you mentioned it, I definitely want a relmyna video

  • @piya5243
    @piya5243 Před 3 lety +4

    Take a shot everytime someone says "flesh"

    • @marystone860
      @marystone860 Před 3 lety +1

      Soon you would be drunker than Sanguine on a Friday night!

  • @roymarron7622
    @roymarron7622 Před 3 lety

    After seeing the new video about the possible daedric origin of Argonians... Void salts have a perfectly understandable explanation!

  • @zackm6249
    @zackm6249 Před 3 lety

    Great vid, very informative, eso gameplay hurts though, need to learn to attack weave.

  • @edwardhaybell1938
    @edwardhaybell1938 Před 2 lety +1

    13:31 Damn, Sheo, You didn't have to burn your successor _THAT_ badly...

  • @mattcarlson6047
    @mattcarlson6047 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey guys! I love your all your content and I never miss an episode, keep it up!
    I was wondering if you guys could try and answer the question of what happens to white souls when they are soul trapped? We see 2 animals in the soul cairn in dawnguard but they seem to be an exception and both were accompanied by their masters. Is there a separate soul cairn for white souls? Are those souls lost when used? I’m so curious and I haven’t seen anyone talk about this.

  • @johnbones3455
    @johnbones3455 Před 3 lety +2

    *On the subject of Flesh Atronach armor*
    They're like Zombie Lord Humongous.

  • @johab3338
    @johab3338 Před 3 lety

    Nice vid mike

    • @johab3338
      @johab3338 Před 3 lety

      A video on that lady would be neat

  • @bijou3000
    @bijou3000 Před 3 lety +1

    I feel like every time a child of five is mentioned, it's a subtle nod to Peter Anspach's iconic Evil Overlord list.

  • @CryHeroCZ
    @CryHeroCZ Před 3 lety +2

    Just do it ... do that video on mad fleshmancer from Shivering Isles! :D

  • @great-wolfwulfrenashmane8717

    Ya know, I’m curious if Abnor Tharn’s quote is also a reference to the in universe book Chimervodium... or however it’s spelled, where it’s mentioned that a dwemer child of eight can build a automaton.

  • @ModdingNewbie
    @ModdingNewbie Před 3 lety

    Shades of Voldemort...! Relmyna's incantation reminded me of Tom Riddle's formula for raising himself back to bodily life in _Goblet of Fire._ Creepy. Makes me even gladder I skipped out on playing Shivering Isles when I was doing _ES: Oblivion._

  • @emperorpenguin6420
    @emperorpenguin6420 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for the explanation Fleshmuppet

  • @flexiblenerd
    @flexiblenerd Před 2 lety

    Bear in mind a couple of things: 1 - the symbol shown in the ritual is a conjuration symbol, and necromancy is considered a branch of the conjuration school. 2 - in books on the practice and morality of necromancy, it is mentioned multiple times that working with souls in general is considered necromantic in nature; soul gems are used in enchanting but do tap into the Soul Cairn, condemning trapped souls therein and drawing upon the inherent properties of the Soul Cairn itself. The Soul Cairn is a realm of Oblivion and of course, the daedra are denizens thereof. Darkest Darkness, The Book of Daedra, Aedra and Daedra, and other books in Skyrim discuss them in great detail, along with books on Oblivion and its realms as a whole. 3 - while summoning daedra is not necromantic in and of itself, it is done via conjuration rituals that summon entities from Oblivion; in fact, the master-level conjuration spell quest in Skyrim specifically has you summoning a dremora multiple times in order to weaken its resolve so as to "barter" for a sigil stone. And some of those books I mentioned, particularly Darkest Darkness (and Varieties of Daedra, iirc), specifically refer to daedra that are bound temporarily to Nirn vs daedra that are bound in a more permanent fashion.
    So flesh magic is absolutely a branch of conjuration magic, just as necromancy is, but I personally wouldn't classify them as the same thing due to the differences in purpose. They may cross over, just as alteration/illusion do, because you're using dead flesh; but I think really, you're utilizing necromancy as well as more generalized conjuration rituals and possibly inscriptions, in order to complete a unique process. I therefore don't think flesh magic is necessarily a school in and of itself, but you could perhaps consider it a kind of pseudoschool relying on a particular school and a branch thereof. I wouldn't necessarily go that far myself, preferring the idea that it's a branch of conjuration rather than even a pseudoschool, but that really enters into the realm of perspective.

  • @kodyjayvin
    @kodyjayvin Před 3 lety +2

    I wonder if flesh sculpting could be used to make one the epitome of strength and vitality, as breaking down one's muscles and bones and making them bigger, stronger, and in some ways reinforced sounds like a viable avenue of research

  • @drakkenmensch
    @drakkenmensch Před 3 lety

    13:20 Sheogorath... is Jackscepticeye?
    That explains *so much.*

  • @EchizenRyoma77
    @EchizenRyoma77 Před 2 lety

    More obscure magic types, or just magic videos in general, any magic lore is interesting to me.

  • @kestrelpeak2270
    @kestrelpeak2270 Před 3 lety +2

    The armor looks to me like it's meant to bind something in. The face mask looks like a muzzle, and in general there's a lot of... visual similarities to some adult things.
    Anyways, my theory is that the armor is enchanted to be controlled by the conjurer as well as to shackle souls, and is intended to both contain the soul of the daedra, and in an emergency, control the body of the flesh atronach if the daedra attempts to seize control.
    Alternatively: The designers where inspired by silent hill's mosnters and just wanted to make something striking and creepy looking.

  • @thomasrosendahl2783
    @thomasrosendahl2783 Před 3 lety

    A video with Relmyna Verenim would be very interesting, she is in the top 5 of the most influential and powerful mages/sorceresses the last few hundred years in tamriel and the oblivion realms.

  • @snailova-ulita
    @snailova-ulita Před 3 lety

    Very good video. I'm ashamed I didn't watch it sooner, but the thumbnail just did not catch my interest. Anyway I hope you will make more videos on these obscure types of magic. Very interesting.

  • @sheogorath110
    @sheogorath110 Před 3 lety +3

    Its so fun to watch mortals try to understand its like a puppy that found an axe HAHAHA

  • @bonjook9670
    @bonjook9670 Před 3 lety

    14:52
    *skyrim battle music*
    *gets anxious and looks around*

  • @metalmaria26
    @metalmaria26 Před 3 lety

    You didn't mention the bonewalkers and bonelords of Morrowind. I love your Morrowind lore videos. Could you do one about those?

  • @vincentpellegrini968
    @vincentpellegrini968 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm imagining these in the dungeons of ES VI and goddamn do I want it badly

  • @bakuretsu00
    @bakuretsu00 Před 3 lety

    very sick

  • @zenninlatimer9874
    @zenninlatimer9874 Před 3 lety

    Id love a video dedicated to the flesh mage of the shivering isles

  •  Před 3 lety +2

    The summoning deal is equally dubious when considering the summoning of bears, zombies, and other such things in Oblivion.

  • @realzachfluke1
    @realzachfluke1 Před 3 lety

    Yessssss, here we go 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @wumpusmcdumpus3130
    @wumpusmcdumpus3130 Před 3 lety +1

    I usually thought flesh magic was more of alteration than conjuration.
    I thought of this without much looking into it as your altering select pieces of to create a new thing altogether which is a very basic premise to alteration whereas conjuration was to conjure out of nothing or bend to your will which I thought didn't really align to flesh magic.
    Nonetheless I love your vid and in depth analysis.

    • @nwahnerevar9398
      @nwahnerevar9398 Před 3 lety

      Magic schools are constructions of magic users, they're not inherent within magical itself

  • @jadedj5385
    @jadedj5385 Před 3 lety

    This was awesome. As someone who has enjoyed the Shivering Isles and is currently playing Elder Scrolls Online, I have to admit that I would take a flesh Atronach over my necromancer's flesh Colossus any day simply because the former fought like zombified Street Fighter character.

  • @jakeking974
    @jakeking974 Před 3 lety +1

    "But instead of being the soul of a mortal, flesh magic uses the soul of a Daedra."
    Me, who just watched the Nirn is Lorkhan's Realm video: isn't that the same thing? Tamriel ae Daedroth

  • @Davonaegypt
    @Davonaegypt Před 3 lety +2

    You mentioned on the knowledge of other elves, but you didn't speak on the Dunmer of Morrowind. With the Undead that are summoned or created to protect their tombs. I speak of the Bonelords, Bonewolves, Bonewalkers and Greater Bonewalkers (which can be mistaken for a Flesh Golems).

  • @lizardman5313
    @lizardman5313 Před 3 lety

    Read the title and thought about Oak Flesh, was surprised by the actual content

  • @norrinradd6746
    @norrinradd6746 Před 3 lety +7

    Theory on what void essence is: It is exactly what it sounds like, the essence of the void, and this is how it manages to trap the daedra's animus. It doesn't just trap the "soul" of a random daedra, but one that has been recently killed and is on its way to the void, specifically. It's just daedra necromancy...daecromancy? The void essence essentially creates little pockets of void inside of oblivion, drawing the animus of a recently killed daedra toward it as it seeks the void, from where it will be reborn. Only, instead of entering the void and re-emerging in oblivion, they get trapped in a little void pocket in the shivering isles, destined to remain suspended in their own private mini-void for as long as the atronach continues to exist. Given that even the Dremora admit that they fear the void, this must be a very unpleasant existence indeed.

  • @Xolcm
    @Xolcm Před 3 lety

    For future video ideas, how about the two lost schools of magic: Mysticism and thaumaturgy.

  • @samueltheweber
    @samueltheweber Před 3 lety

    I think that Skyrim hints a mentioning of flesh atronachs in the Windhelm quest “Blood on the Ice”, where you must investigate the city of Windhelm, its citizens, and a few key locations to determine who’s the butcher.

  • @sheogoraththedaedricprince9675

    Admire my work? All this time you thought Picasso and Salvador Dali had great and twisted works of art.

  • @thedeadsexyedge
    @thedeadsexyedge Před 3 lety

    If there is enough info to talk about the flesh sculptor of the shiver isles, I would sure like to hear about it.

  • @astra3310
    @astra3310 Před 3 lety

    I reckon Void Essence is gained from a very far out Realm of Oblivion that likely teeters on the edge of the Void. Or is harvested from something rare like a Shade of Sithis or some ritual to make connection with the Void and the essence of Sithis.

  • @SupernaturalDetective
    @SupernaturalDetective Před 3 lety

    Oh this is gonna be good

  • @thecomedygamingnetwork261

    Hey completely off topic but I just watched yalls video on the blood moon so I looked up Secundas face.... its eerily similar to the Dark side of the moon

  • @nathanwright5496
    @nathanwright5496 Před 3 lety

    After watching this an idea for an elder scrolls game:
    Opens with the main character caught in the middle of a calamity/ayleid invasion through time about to destroy the city/country. The sigic order (sorry for the spelling) shows up and uses several elder scrolls in tandem with the eye of Magus in an attempt to fight back. In the resulting action a rift of sorts opens, swallowing the main character and several NPCs along with chunks of the city and fling them through time into the age of ayleid rule. Shortly after waking and interacting with the others unlucky enough to accompany you through the rift , a group ayleids arrive to investigate the disturbance and capture your character with the few others who survive. Witnessing horrors of flesh art the character is made a slave and escapes during some sort of attack by a guerilla group opposing the ayleids. Let your imagination run wild from here with definite hellraiser vibes and very active deadra. Main story revolves around eventually becoming the leader of the resistance and getting back to the future (lol) equiped in a way to stop the invasion and the subsequent use of the eye and scrolls which unravelled time itself. An interesting mechanic in the game could be random rifts that open throughout the game, that drop baddies from every conceivable age, including future ages (remember the time traveler in Skyrim?). I can't put what I'm seeing into words that does justice to the insane possibilities and potential this has.

  • @Priceluked
    @Priceluked Před 3 lety

    To be honest it made the most sense to me, almost like making a homunculus.

  • @quintinfoster4104
    @quintinfoster4104 Před rokem

    You should do a video on blood magic

  • @kylehogan2247
    @kylehogan2247 Před rokem

    I imagine the Alyid flesh sculptures are like the Tzmisce vampires' magics

  • @venoxidegaming1432
    @venoxidegaming1432 Před 3 lety

    I always thought the markings meant that it was like a puzzle. Only certain limbs could be attached to others with the same markings for compatibility.

  • @bronzecobra8556
    @bronzecobra8556 Před 3 lety +1

    Some people might consider binding the souls of daedra to corpses less evil than binding a mortal soul to a corpse.