Theories About the Ayleid Sorcerer-Kings of Legend - Elder Scrolls Lore
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My theory is the Umaril’s title “The Unfeathered” was actually given to him posthumously in reference to Pelinal tearing his wings off.
That’s my opinion as well.
I'm pretty certain that's most likely the case, feathers being a big part of Ayleid culture like adorning armor and all, using the term Unfeathered is very fitting for a dead Ayleid who had his "feathers" ripped away(wether figuratively or literally).
He was a Champion of Meridia too so I'd be more inclined to think his nickname whilst living was something more related to Light or something, but that's my opinion I suppose.
I might be misremebering but I think there's at least one other of the Ayleid kings killed by Pelinal confirmed to be nicknamed posthumously so it wouldn't surprise me if all the Ayleid kings Pelinal killed directly being nicknamed posthumously as well.
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@@andrewcody2181 I mean Tribunal is dead though
@@DrLukeHart I was talking about Scott Drew and Michael, he called them little mortals I was making a joke
@@andrewcody2181 Sorry I was coplaying along as if this was legit, obvs simping for the Madgod 😂😂
@@DrLukeHart oh. Well he is the best daedric prince
If we take the word ‘garden’ at face value and consider the Ayleids proclivity for flesh sculptures, it’s not too much of a reach to suspect Namira is the identity of the insect god. Her sphere is the repulsive and grotesque, covering everything from vermin to cannibalism, I think flesh sculpture would be right in her wheelhouse. She may have granted the Ayleids favor and unknown power if they adorned their gardens in flesh sculptures as offerings to her.
This is a great take. Thanks for sharing it, definitely my headcanon now
Excellent theory, Alana, I'm in total agreement with the Whitestrake on this one 🤜🤛
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True words
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it’s so damn true
The title "of Copper and Tea" was actually given to Heromir after his death, based on Pelinal's description of how his neck veins tasted.
Average pelinal-elf interaction
The dislikes on this video are from Ayleid Sorcerer-Kings that weren’t important enough to get mentioned
No more likes he got 69 unless you want to get him to 420 amd even beyond that the most sacred number of them all 42069
Between the various "lost" elven races like the Dwemer, Falmer, etc.... The Ayleids are my favorite. The lore on them is such a contrast between the beauty and elegance of their gleaming marble and glass cities; and the abject horror of their art tortures, flesh sculptures, and horrendous treatment of humans. An ancient race of tyrannical bird-like elves living in immaculate marble cities harnessing starlight for magic and ruled by sorcerer kings that turn tortured humans into works of sadistic gory art? Love it.
Also, favorite is definitely Haromir of Copper and Tea. I love the name and what it could possibly be derived from.
I think you've got the wrong idea. It was the daedraphiiles who were cruel many if not most Ayleids worshipped the divines and alot of them sided with the alessians
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Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget this. Ancient Aylied Empire likely had many different city states from my understanding, and its likely that a few held a more traditional, standard view with the Aedra and didn't commit terrible acts.
Allesia had their help in rebellion and even the foundation of the Empire, but the fanbase never remembers that.
I take it maybe not "most" but some were chill with humans, a minority in comparison, and so they'd be in no position to stop the other Aylieds and their Daedric practices unless the Humans joined and if the people like Pelinal or the Man Bull showed up, not to mention the Nords that also helped.
Granted, Pelinal just hated Elves as a whole, so unfortunately he likely didn't care much about his Elven allies in the field, probably killed a few of them too in his rampages
Pelinal Whitestrake: the guy who did shit so metal that it made even the Doom Slayer a little uncomfortable
Even the Doom Slayer wouldn't massacre innocents so I can see why he would be uncomfortable
Pelinal's massacres and berserker rages were so fearsome that he disgusted the gods. He had the power to "kill the earth in whole"
I'm pretty sure that if the Slayer witnessed Pelinal's rampages, they'd come to blows. I just don't see him suffering some random dude in armor butchering children without trying to stop him.
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I've said it before, i'll say it again, we need a game in the style of Doom where you play as Pelinal slaughtering all the knife ears and their daedric armies
@michel durant i don't hate the elves, just the Ayleids and Thalmor. The Dunmer are honestly my favorite race in the series. But that doesn't mean i wouldn't take the opportunity to slaughter a fuckton of elves as Pelinal
@michel durant you can already do that in Skyrim though.
@michel durant mods my dude.
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Eh, we still don't know all the history before the Attack on Saarthal.
We still don't know what exactly transpired before the Night of Tears in Saarthal, so who knows what the Eye of Magnus had to do with it. They never took it with them, or did anything with it from what we know
Maybe they feared the warlike Atmorams using it for war purposes, or who knows. Atmorans coming in droves and acclaimed Skyrim as their homeland, so I mean... they were worried what would become of them if these Atmorans came and decided they didn't want to be friendly, and used the Eye of Magnus to help them.
Sorry, is this some Ayleid joke i’m too Alessian to understand?
Very funny
That’s gonna be a like from me, dawg.
Mike Tyson in the elder scrolls:
sithis funny
Sam Guevenne the Alessian empire
Mike Tyson was clearly a member of the Dark Brotherhood until he bit the Listener’s ear.
Um deep diving into the obscure ES lore is literally my favourite thing in the world.
I love Ayleid lore. Long gone races and their history make the world really interesting and there is a feeling of nostalgia when exploring ancient ruins.
I even RP my Altmer Templar in ESO as an Ayleid (sort of). It's really fun and allows some fun interactions with other characters
The Altmer will always be #1 but it would be really cool if you could play a proper Ayleid sorcerer.
"So this sorcerer king was pretty neato.... He got clapped by pelinal" - A summarization of the entire video
Except Umaril 😅
@@jameswork-grierson8923 he got clapped twice so far
@@kalebb1226 fair
But
He got clapped
And clapped back from the grave
So
Even Pelinal was arguing that he wasn't officially clapped the first time
@@jameswork-grierson8923 if you associate "clapped" with getting shit beat out of you and losing over simply dying, umaril has indeed been soundly clapped twice.
But that's semantics I guess.
@@Stryker1297 SemantiCLAP 😁
Ayleids are pretty interesting, I wish the next game includes more of their role.
Being Redfall will likely have Highrock locations, the Derinni Elves allowed them refuge. It's possible
If the ayleids are ever in a TES game I'll finish that game with ptsd
Booted up Skyrim on a day off 200+ mods runnin and a new FudgeMuppet video to go along with it life is good!!!
Such a great feeling, isn’t it. I never hop into any of my Elder Scrolls worlds unless I know I won’t be disturbed for at least 4-6 hours, and have no engagements/responsibilities. For me it’s just not a game I can hop into and play 45 minutes like a round of Dota or something. It’s an experience.
It may be a stretch, but Umaril's parentage may be linked to the left-handed elves of Yokuda. They're the only other elven link to a previous Kalpa that I can think of, and presumably they worshipped some gods who could have been brought over from the previous Kalpa also. The Aylieds liked picking up new gods, so it wouldn't be impossible for them to begin worshipping, and apparently eventually boning, a Yokudan god.
I'd definitely bone a few of the daedra😏
Left handed elves worship Lorhkan so it's a stretch
@@Doralga good point
Why would Umaril be linked to previous Kalpa, pretty sure his deadric heritage is from Meridia
@@jacobhoover1654 the lore said something vague about his father being from a previous kalpa. He was favoured of Meridia, but it's unlikely that his divine parentage came from their realm.
I could see the Insect god being Clavicus too. Deals are his thing and having a bunch of needing souls would be very beneficial to someone like him
Who else waiting for the akavir podcast
Definitely excited for it
Only if it has Baurus' akaviri ice album, Clout Ruler Temple, as the soundtrack of the cast
Me too.
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Where tf is it
Bethesda needs to make an elder scrolls game that let’s us play as Ayleids, Dwemer, Snow elves, or any of the other ancient races.
Mods.
@Vicodyn I wanna throw shit at the guards and just be a big spinning gorilla that yells unga bunga.
@ANGRYWOLVES I mean Bethesda won't do it as canonically those races are gone.
@@wolfkanji Game could be set in the early first era. Also. none of them are 100% sure gone.
There's still 2 sources of Ayleid: 1) The wild elves, which are skittish feral elves from Cyrodiil who live in the wilds. The Ayleids who survived the Alessian Order but couldn't escape Cyrodiil hid in the forests an became bosmer-like. 2) The diaspora into High Rock and Valenwood. The Direnni elves have a lot of Ayleid blood and an unknown degree of Ayleid culture, and the bretons are in part descended from Ayleids. In Valenwood, the Ayleid refugees eventually lost all their culture and melted into the bosmer, but it's possible there's villages and such in Valenwood where the "bosmer" are mostly of Ayleid ascent.
The dwemer could still be out there.
The Snow Elves could have more remaining members, and there's a chance the Falmer can be "fixed".
The knotrhingi may still be living somewhere deep in black marsh.
The lefthanded elves may still live in some small isles of what remains of Yokuda.
The reachmen are arguably very close to the original nedes.
@@wolfkanji it could be set in the past...
the very moment i found my first welkyn stone in vilverin, ive had a special spot for the ayleids ever since, i cant wait to see more in highrock
Last time I was this early, umaril was still the sorcerer king of cyrodill
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I keep seeing that Reman is a reference to Reman but in the Reman lore it says he is named "light of man" which is Reman. Now we know that Pelinor shot white death from one hand.... a light of man and that the Ayeid were obsessed with light. It makes sense for a man going into for the kill to shout "LIGHT OF MAN". More than that of an emperor not yet born. Perhaps it makes sense that Reman was named after a momentous event that happened in that area? Odd that you leave the bit about the name out when you tell the rest of that story. Especially as I heard that story from you :)
You know, the Ayleids are growing on me. They are a lot like a homebrew civilization I have been scribbling on for a while, the peak of civilization. The height of art, beauty and decadence in all the finest and absolutely most horrifying ways.
good stuff. I don't have a theory, but I just wanted to voice my appreciation for the work you guys do. Please never stop making elder scrolls video
I wonder how much of the tales are true? Are the tales and poems of cruelty true or just another story written by the victors?
The good thing lies in that we don't know
But it is probably something that lies upon a true basis that got embellished and exaggerated
@@sephikong8323 to answer your question it is because what you are saying makes sence is a very good point and you replayed and answerd my questions with your knowlege.
I was wondering that, too. Painting all Ayleids as "cruel" seems like an oversimplification.
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Just earlier I was watching another Ayleid video and I was wanting for more on their lore, nice
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"Ayleid Sorcerer-Kings" Ok this time i have no idea what this is about. Great! Lets watch!!!!
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Neat theory! Thanks for uploading!
With all of the references to bird features displayed by Ayleid elves, I really feel like at some point early in their design they were meant to be part bird and later that concept got scratched, but the bird references didn’t for whatever reason.
I would have liked to see them portrayed as basically being a mix of Aldmer and Bird-Folk. That would have been pretty damn cool.
I always believed that the early elves that colonized Cyrodil pulled a Derenni and actually did interbreed with the native bird people, but only the noble classes retained birdlike features.
@@majfubar5326 head canon inspired by your comment:
Perhaps the Aldmeri interbred with the bird people, but the offspring were outcast. Some descended outcast gains power through revenge or genuine hard work and was recognized finally. Now half breeds are cool and the mark of nobility. Once the bird people have died out/are killed, it was more commonplace to have birdlike features and due to a bloody history of uprising and dominance, violence became the art dujour and a symbol of power and elegance, even if the people didn't physically have the birdlike traits anymore. And as a continuing show of mockery and derision, the Ayleids continued to use bird imagery in an ironic sense
Thanks for mentioning the celestials
Couldn't listen to this sooner, but dang ain't it relaxing to listen to y'all while doing chores in the house :D
Cheers! You relit my urge to redo my oblivion ayleid improvement project...
Pardon their arse tortures?! Oh my, the fiends.
One correction. Spiders are not insects. They're not really even all that closely related to insects.
Yup, they are a different subphylum of arthropods.
Last time I was this early, I still had my boxers on. Twice. She looked disappointed.
Lmfao
Lol i had to read that twice
I have an idea for the podcast. Races most likely to go extinct or fall out of favor(Like the Dreugh, or Falmer.) I'm very worried the Dunmer might be on their way out of the current cycle and since the Hist are from the previous one that could put the Argonians on the chopping block if something were to happen. 4th Era is very dreary and there is about to be huge conflicts probably in Elder Scrolls 6
Eh the argonians should be okay because as long as a creature exists to drink hist sap they are Argonian. Plus the hist exist in other realms as well.
Poor Dunmers.
Pelinal Whitestrake sounds like a medieval terminator
"a name no one knew yet" so good
You reek of tea and copper, my friend. I salute you!
Fun fact! Ninendava will play a very important rule in Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil's main quest, which is also called the Knight of the Nine questline (not to be confused with TES4's KoTN)
*Yes, Mr. Pelinal, this video RIGHT HERE*
I always figured the name "Umaril The Unfeathered" was because he originally had wings but they were ripped off.
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My working theory for the Insect God is Molag Bal, again, only this time taking the same shape as he used in Lyg. Molag Bal is also described as carapace in the Ruddy Man story
Keep in mind, the Nords associated Dibella, Goddess of beauty with Moths. Maybe the Ayleids did as well, and the Flower King revered the Insect Goddess, the Moth Goddess of beauty.
Need more
What if a plague of insects came apon the Flower Kings Kingdom because of theyr great gardens but his people could not deal with the swarms and were overwealmed by illness and venom.
My theory on the title "the singer", maybe he sang during battle?
It could also come from the, let's call it voice, of the bow, with the "pling" sound you get from stretched strings, or the "whistling" sound a flying arrow makes. In that way, it could be poetic speach of how skilled he was as an archer, making either his bow or arrows "sing", meaning he could shoot arrows at rapid speed.
Or he could have gone the more fantasy route, of using a bow that was stringed like a harp, providing him with several different strings for different distances.
Love these lore videos
But what mod has the armor on the elves?
The Knightsof the Nine quest is my favorite in Oblivion.
Wouldn't it make more sense that Umaril is called, "The unfeathered", because Pelinal cut off his wings? A way to insult the sorcerer king in death.
Last time I was this early, Boethia said to Trinimac: _"Are you from the sweet-shop? Because you're looking like a_ *SNACC* _boi!_ 🍽"
Trinimac must’ve been a fruit cake cause he went right through her
Cool video!
I would argue that the Goat Faced Altar seems more like Clavicus Vile. It could be Molag Bal but by the writing of the Songs of Pelinal he was more lizard-like and just plain demonic, so while poetic license could be applied enough to call that goat faced, Clavicus Vile always showing up as a satyr would definitely work as well. Then there's the title: the Shaper. If this Ayleid King was strongly tied to Clavicus he could be more of a Shaper of Fates as he twists what should happen to his whims and at the same time it would be very fitting of Clavicus to see to it that one of his greatest adherents has his face caved in on his own altar.
Also the Flower King I think is more a reference to real life Flower Wars, given the Ayleid's obvious ties to European depictions of Aztec rule. To this day we still tend to think of Flower Wars in the popular imagination as wars that were more about gathering sacrifices than killing your enemy on the battlefield or conquering some patch of land. This is, like quite a bit of the pop culture understanding of Mesoamerican history, inaccurate as they were more like Highly Formalized Wars I would bet he is 'the Flower King' because he would probably launch many wars and campaigns to take captives to sacrifice without ever taking land. I imagine the insect god is probably some aspect of Namira that would empower him or a demi-prince like you suggested.
ITS THE COLORS of their skin!!!
Copper and Tea, bronze skin and tea green leaves and armor! Like the elven armor from oblivion.
For a moment I broke through the immersion and couldn’t help but snicker at just how silly that list of Ayleid names and places sounded in sequence
Last time I was this early, Meridia wasn't a Daedric prince.
Please do a dawn era, I've watched all your others but that period still confuses me
A Sorcerer King? Aeylid? yes please... Let the games begin.
Fudgemuppet do a video on the Thalmor versus the ancient ayleids and see which faction was more powerful
YES, I would love a game set in the Merethic and First Eras!
Also, as to Umeril's father, I think The Seven Fights of the Aldudagga (I know, it's not an in-game source, but Bethesda has proved that they use A LOT of Kirkbride's non-ingame writings as lore (especially the Nu-Mantia Intercept)) could shed some light on how he came to survive into the next kalpa. In one of the stories, Alduin gets angry at Lorkhan (called the Greedy Man) and the Leaper Devil King for stealing parts of Nirn and putting them into the next kalpa (the Leaper Devil King is transformed into Merunes Dagon as punishment). Could this be how Umeril's father was able to survive the ending of his kalpa? Because Lorkhan "stole" him and added him back into the next version of Nirn?
Which implies he is still around. Maybe he is Syrabane (the Aldmeri god-ancestor of magic) or Phynaster (the god who taught the Aldmer how to live another hundred years).
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“God Howard the Shaper”
I'm curious how these ayleids got lichdom and if its connected to the ideal masters
It would have to be most modren lichs learn from the king of worms and god of necromancers who didn't exist yet so barring time travel fuckery couldnt have taught them.
That leaves the ideal masters as the only other nigh god level necromancer power making them the most likely option
although it could have been a deadra hermaus mora is know to have acess to books from across time so he could have got info on how to do it before manamarco actually came up with the process.
@@vonfaustien3957 I think that would make sense mora molag or the masters would have such knowledge but im curious how is the true first lich the first to become one like we know the first vampire and first werewolf but we never hear of the very first lich
I like the theory that Pelinal is basically a time-traveling magic robot knight.
I know I’m late to the party on this one, but hear me out. What if Umeril’s “father” is Merida before her fall from the Aedra? I mean who’s to say what form or name Merida went by before taking her place among the princes. While I’m no lore scholar, most of what we know about Merida’s fall is speculation…we don’t truly know the how, when, or where. Just thinking out loud lol great vid!
The Fire King Ayleid kinda makes sense in my opinion, if his city is dedicated to Magnus and whilst he is very much tied to the Stars, he's also commonly referred to as the Sun God and Fire being far closer to Magnus in that perspective compared to Light kinda makes sense for him to be obsessed with if he is indeed a worshipper of Magnus.
It's just a different kind of Magnus worship, which honestly was probably super prevalent to begin with considering the Ayleids whole obsession with Stars and Light in the first place.
I’m real into the interpretation of nilikar the flower king worshipping a daedric bee god 🐝 mephala, sanguine, or maaaaybe clavicus vile makes sense to me
eta also re: the Men-of-Ge I am also super curious about light/starlight worship in ancient times. Mostly because I’m a Meridia simp tbh, but also bc I really like Magnus and would love to figure out more about how the other magic-related Aedra and Daedra are linked to him
I think i just love Australians explaining things. Not that i dont love the lore, i adore it... so theres a combination here thats just too tasty to pass up.
Perhaps Umaril's father also took refuge with Meridia? That would explain how he survived the end of the kalpa.
I think in reference to the flower king, he could have sacrificed the men of gi to Namira, and then ground their bodies up into a disgusting pulp to fertilize his flower gardens or something like that.
It could be some real berserk level stuff going on.
i would love to hear more specifics about other planets in Mundas.. an insect god makes me think of aliens... Elder Scrolls: Alien Invaders
Ayleids are starting to sound more and more like bird people.
Imagine magical experimentation similar to becoming a hag raven?
Maybe it required bird person sacrifice and made them all extinct?
Im gonna need a lore video behind the name fudgemuppet. Were the dwemer involved somehow? Is it akavir related? These questions need answered
At 18:00 you mention that Umaril's father surviving from a previous Kalpa into the current cycle leaves us with more questions than answers. However, didn't the Left-Handed Elves, and possibly the Yokudans do the same?
Great video, now I'm going pass l back to watch the Palinal video again
I would say Namira is the “insect god”. There’s a ton of beautiful, yet foul smelling plants that attract flies. That and I would imagine that she’d be more interested in the sacrifice part. If we don’t know how The Flower King sacrificed his “gifts”, then I easily could see a pond or marsh in the middle of a clearing where he would do it. A marble path leading to a table or alter where the victim/victims would be left to rot, drawing in all manner of carrion bugs and pollinators of the carnivores plants.
Theory: the present caliper was saved by the dragonborn... Does that mean we're continuing a divine intended way, or did we create a new one?
I think that the Dragonborn unintentionally damned Nirn to a slow death, sort of like The Dark Souls universe, where you can choose to end the human race and start a new, or let it die slowly. I think the Kalpa was meant to end and we stopped it. Now Tamriel will likely be damned to whatever the Thalmor have planned to destroy it.
Betting Umaril is still alive. Daedric champions are able to pull off some odd stunts. And he has a blood relative.
I do find it weird that Merida would be invested in the Aylied though considering how many practice necromancy and became undead.
Not all Ayleids are the same lol. Some worshipped meridia some mehrunes dagon and most the divines. She wouldn't cast off an entire race because some of them are bad
At some point the man interpretation of Akatosh gained prominence over Auriel in that it was able to bless Elysia.
I think it’s because of the torture art. It would leave men with nothing to do except pray for deliverance. That prayer flans desperation fuelled the manish interpretation of the gods.
Can you make a video on the left handed elves
What music is used in this video? I absolutely love it
4:27 *Godd Howard* hehe
The armour seems to be this mod with texture mods www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17112
Pelinal: This video trigger me...
Morihaus: but why?
Pelinal: IT EXIST.
Maybe the flower king had some twisted version of Dibella worship; she is associated with flowers and moths, after all. I doubt it, though, since the Aeylids really didn't like the Aedra.
12:02 Mephala would make the most sense.
What armor mod do you use? Is it immersive armor?
On the theme of flowers and beauty the insect god could be Azura
I was thinking the insect god could be as stated Sanguine, but i was also thinking lord Sheogorath. The madgod might not be the daedric prince of flowers, but he loves himself a beautiful garden, and not to forget the Elytra from the iles..
But hey, in my mind sheogorath has always a piece in the puzzle somehow
or maybe just another daedric prince you know there tons out there