What Model Scouts ACTUALLY Look For
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People say "the industry is changing" but just because Old Navy has diverse sizes of models doesn't mean Chanel ever will. The current inclusivity is just marketing imo
I don't want Chanel to have normal looking models I can look at normal people anytime. I want them to look like beautiful aliens.
@@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 exactly. It wouldn't be Chanel if it did
@@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 exactly, thank you! Thereâs something to be said about that.
@@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 Normal looking people is what you see mostly
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The fact is: most people wish they were models because they need âprofessionalâ validation of attractiveness. Not because they dream of being in a nasty, short-term, ungrateful industry.
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perfect
well said
I wish I could give this comment some sort of award or reward
I don't even think successful models are necessarily attractive. They are tall, toned, with a sculpted face.
"Is he gonna be in high fashion? No." :(
"Is he gonna be in the ad when you walk into home depot and he's the guy who's loading up the big truck? Absolutely." :D
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I loved him for that
I love that guy, he's honest without being offensive or rude
Heâs right tho. Thereâs different types of attractiveness.
The scout was just saying what he needed in order to not be hated by the internet. He is a salesman. He was able to tell someone they're a 4/10 without making them feel worthless. That's a talent.
As he should, the industry he works in is very demanding and can even be unfair, yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder but if most of the beholders have a majority vote on what they consider attractive, then it's his job to make that happen
@@decimusvitae ah yes, the slice of bacon and boiled egg, well known to cause you to gain half a pound of fat per serving.
Yes
I know this comment was a year ago. But you're right and have you seen the one with the former model. she rated the same people in the video and a lot had attitude/anger at her comments, yet she was the closest display on the model industry scouts people.
i'm sure that his pandering isnt meant to be purely manipulative. when you are recruiting, you meet a lot of people and some of them can make a scene if being rejected, so you need to deliver bad news in most sugar-coated way just so you dont have problems, because no company wants that.
That's a good point. I think that's why he said the scouting comment just to one.
I feel like people are hurt more by dishonesty than by bluntness.
Itâs also just good social skills
@@katpottz476 In the long run, yes. In the moment and their feelings, maybe not.
@@melissa-5670 true and since you're not gonna see them again, it's never gonna be in the long run
People should know the difference between personal attraction and industry attraction , most people would rate someoneâs attraction higher than the industryâs standards so maybe the question is too broad when people rate each other based on attraction
this
exactly. More people find Karlie Kloss unattractive compared to those who don't but she's 6'2 and thin with an androgenous face so she's literally perfect for modelling
Iâve seen a male model appear on one of those âwomen rate menâs photosâ videos and get called a âyouâre safe with meâ horror movie cop
There is little difference. The industry might have some quirks that they like (for example "slavic" looking people, pale, long hair etc) but the structure has remained the same for the last past 100+ years across all northern hemisphere countries. Look at any Leyendecker painting. Strong jaw, tall, lean, symmetrical sharp eyes, beauty is a universal standard
â@@nini-qc1qd Kloss fills a niche, she's not really "perfect" since she can't be flexible to fill any role. A perfect model would be like Broderick Hunter
or Francisco Lachowski for males and Bella Hadid for women. They're flexible and can go from magazine cover to runway to commercials with ease.
If this video made you feel bad about your appearance, please understand the distinction between marketability and attractiveness. Look at how a famous singer wears an outfit vs. the runway model. When the singer wears the outfit, you see the singer. When the model wears the outfit, you see the outfit. Thatâs marketability.
Brilliant point.
Amazingly well said, and this further moves the metaphor that models are just coat hangers
Exactly , models are just mannequins for the designers , that's why they don't want curvy models, because they want their designs to have all the attention, not the models.
well said!!
@@tonnyrodrigueznunez This "see the clothes not the model" b.s. needs to just stop. As a curvy (ok, let's be honest: FAT) woman, I need to see outfits on women who are shaped like me so I can see how it will REALLY look on me before I buy it. Seeing an outfit on a skinny model doesn't help me at all. In fact, I always just skip by clothes unless they're being modeled by big women. And I'm not in the minority on this. Most women, though not as fat as I am, are still curvier than most models. The same goes for men. There should be more skinny and chubby male models. Not just all v-shaped cut Adonises.
Furthermore, you're going to tell me we "don't see" Christie Turlington, Naomi Campbell, and all those beautiful models? Again, I call b.s. Models are seen. They are MEANT to be seen. Otherwise plain looking people would be chosen to be models, not just strikingly beautiful ones.
I love how straight up you are.
There is not enough honesty on social media so your whole channel is a real breath of fresh air!
What i was thinking
I love his channel for that exact reason. I love how objective it is lol.
unrelated but i read that as "i love how straight you are" and i got so confused
do you know what you can't change in a week? *Your Face!*
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I love how objective it is. There an actual measurable statement pro or con. Let's face it if something is ranked 1-10 we should all be happy to be 3-7 just bc that is how bell curves usually work.
Thank you for understanding that âfun sizedâ really is demeaning to ADULT short people. Iâm 5â1â and 55⊠with a mastery of my craft, BUT I still find myself having to remind people that Iâm not a child. Infuriating
My son, however HAS been scouted many timesâŠheâs stunning, skinny and has a quirky style. BUTâŠhe wants to be a serious filmmaker. So, he does film and tv gig work (and goes to university). Mamma proud đ©đ»âđ€
5'1'' is normal height of women in my country. What are you talking about
@@hanjesse31 They're talking about short women's experiences in countries where the average woman height is not short. Most women are over 5'2" in the United States and in Europe.
Also, with a boring white background, you don't even see how tall people are. Why on earth does height matter...
i remember eailer this year i went door to door selling stuff as a fundraiser for my highschool. iâm 5â2-5â3 and some lady was so surprised iâm in highschool? yes iâm 15 iâm literally just a bit short whats so shocking đ€š
I'm a 5'4 man and I honestly disagree. I find being called fun-sized more like the short equivalent to when a tall person is asked "how's the weather up there?". It's an overdone joke, and it's annoying to hear it sometimes because it's really unoriginal, but overall that's all I see it ass. I'd much rather be called fun-size than most other joking remarks that have been made about my height, and overall I find in my experience that not being taken seriously because you're short and people saying you're fun-size are two separate things.
Maybe the Asian guy is a 7/10 in terms of modelling (which to me is baffling) but he's easily a 9/10 in terms of general attraction and was the best out of any person shown in that video.
I beg to differ. His toned body proportions made him appear more attractive. But take away the tone body and put his face on a regular slim guy and his attractiveness decreases to a 6-7. This guyâs body proportions and good sense of style increases his attractiveness meanwhile the other guy didnât have either but was still attractive
@@carmencapa6945 agreed, the Asian guy's face just isn't that attractive, he mainly gets points bc he;s fit and groomed but even then he doesn't get any higher than a 7 in my eyes. The face is always more important.
@@carmencapa6945 Being fit and toned is part of General Attractiveness.
@@brooklynsbaby4367 his face isn't perfect but I'd say it's still attractive. he has a great side profile and cute features, his head is just a bit too long and narrow and eyes too close together. Maybe not runway but he could still do commercial modeling.
No face wise no
As a someone who is 4'11 I hate the term fun-sized, it's already hard enough to be taken seriously at my height I don't need terms that make me sound like a child attributed to me.
then grow
@@onlyonegod701 wow, i never thought about that !? thanks for the idea !!!
I completely agree. I'm barely 5'0 and the people around me often treat me like a child when we are the same age.
@lemonssssssss4 not all people can use platforms, some have severe ankle joint problems or are clumsy and can easily hurt themselves
Same!! I'm 4'11 as well and 21. Being taken seriously has always been one of my biggest struggles.
You pointed out the difference between industry attraction and personal attraction. The Asian guy is (imo) personally attractive than pajama pants guy. I see how pajamapants is a better fit on the runway but I found the Asian guy more attractive. And maybe the scout did as well, hence the kinda flirty reaction. Understanding social/interpersonal dynamics isn't your forte tbh, but I'm sure you're aware of that. Thanks for the very insightful and well researched beauty content!
Asian guy was just more attractive because he wasnât a little greasy shit like pajama pants guy. Pajama pant guyâs face definitely has a way better build. Iâm saying this as an Asian person, the Asian guy is more attractive as is, but pajama has the potential to easily become more attractive than Asian guy.
@@gummy5862 pajama pant guy had to nerf himself otherwise he'd be too powerful kek
@@Akihiko-senpai fr
Actually on the contrary i think he was right.. Just because you found the asian male more attractive doesnât make him more marketable, He wasnât saying he wasnât attractive.. but he had more âaverage facial featuresâ if that makes sense.. The guy with long hair had more unique qualities for the modeling industry.
âNot your fort..â
*pfft* Ok âdonâ
I agree, the scout was attracted to the Asian guy.
The industry isnât changing any time soon so I suggest that people that donât fit the âmodelâ standard move on. Itâs the best thing to do for your own sanity
truest thing here. I see so many people going in to try and see if they can change the rules for themselves and get offended when they receive a solid no. It stems off from the whole positivity movement going around now where people are afraid to tell the truth in fear of hurting the other and so blatantly lie saying the other is gorgeous when they donât really mean it, which makes the other feel more confident in projecting their looks even though they really arent all that. advocating for the beauty standard within the industry to change is silly, and your wasting your time as it just will not happen. If you walk into a runway model casting while not meeting the requirements, you should know whatâs coming for you. The industry will not bend for your pity party so itâs up to you to find something in your league.
@@odette4059 I see a lot of that going on in comments sections on CZcams. People commenting, "You're so gorgeous." and such. I 'm thinking really? Are they being truthful or are they saying nice things just because. I hate it when people do that. That happened to me before and it makes me loose even more trust in people. Ironically, I met a guy once who called me an ugly duckling but I refrained from telling him that he had a lot of nerve judging my looks looking the way that he did.
You hit it right on the head ! Itâs really nothing personal itâs business but ppl canât seem to accept it. These so call movements of such irk me lol
â@@saynotohookupsbeauty is in the eye of the beholder, I don't think people are generally just lying because there is a higher standard simply to spare feelings when its easier to just not say anything, I don't really think the beauty standard is that important when there are so many people who don't fit it and are deemed beautiful and at the end of the day you can't really exchange the genetic card youre dealt
These reviews are interesting because itâs clear that the rating system that the narrator is operating off of is different from the person rating in the original video. These type of cut/jubilee videos are purely for entertainment purposes, not education lol
True. I think they were meaning different things with their rating. The guy in the original video when he says he is a 10, it means that he is good enough to try to get into the industry. Not that he is perfect looking or that he can get ANY job he wants. The guy commenting thinks that a 10 means you are a top supermodel.
@@kateginger right⊠a lot of the models in that industry ARE NOT perfect looking imo. Theyâre usually oddly pretty.
Exactly what I think. But in any case, a person can be a model and not be a 10. There are different types of modeling and markets.
This video IS for education
I feel like he was kinda awkwardly polite. I mean, it's different for general attractiveness rating, but for being rated for modeling? People usually understand pretty well that they are not what the industry wants. Being bluntly told that im ugly would hurt, but i would have no problem being told that im not someone who would make it in modeling in the same way. I'm too short, wrong body type, a lot of skin imperfections...like yeah, i know im not fit for modeling. No need to sugarcoat it
Yeah. I remember Abercrombie flat out telling me that I wasn't good looking enough. I appreciated the honesty.
Tbh I know my face would do ok in the modeling industry, but Iâm just too short lol. Itâs hard to be a model because you need to have it ALL.
@@gummy5862 Someone's confident! :D good for you
I guess most people are kinda sensitive about their looks.
@@walqqr1 true, lol
Did yâall just really yassify me in the thumbnail đ
go back to black hair
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@@doodle3984 Frr he should absolutely go back to black
Wait what
Why are people SO DELUSIONAL about their looks? I've accepted I'll never be a model and that's ok. I've accepted I'm average and I'm actually thankful I'm not below average. As a girl, this whole "beauty thing" gets so exausting because you often get multiple female friends trying to achieve the "insta look" when they're just too chubby, too short or too plain in the face. Any time I'm like "Yo girl i'm so ugly lmao" they're always like "oh no baby you're so pretty" ...no the hell I'm not. I've witnessed a copious amount of friends getting upset over outfits and makeup looks which didn't look as good on them as they did on the models. If some trend just doesn't look good on me I just laugh and go on with my life. I'm just so tired of walking on eggshells when it comes to these topics.
bro now watching this channel idk if i am actually delusional or actually looking. i can't look at myself and say yeah thats not pretty, like i genuinely do think i am pretty but idfk.
Yes this is so true I had to be honest with myself, unless my bone structure and genetics change iâm still going to be average height with a baby face and thats okđ€·ââïž
@@doodle3984 some people ARE objectively pretty, as the person making these videos has stated multiple times. I know that I'm average. So on a scale from 1 to 10 I'm like a 5/6 based on a couple variables (sometimes my skin is really clear, sometimes I have massive breakouts, sometimes I look super lean, sometimes I am "period-bloated etc"). Some people I've met think they're 7s, 8s and 9s...yet they look worse than me (I base my evaluations solely on height, weight, proportions, simmetry, healthy looking characteristics like glowing skin and hair etc). The funny thing is all the average people I've met who said they were so beautiful...thought a lot of famous high end models were ugly.
you do not have to be tall to have the insta look.
@@MsTheeloisa it's totally fine if people consider themselves pretty. If they don't work as a model why would they care if they're objectively attractive or not. You don't need to be objectively attractive to feel beautiful
As someone who is 4'11" I absolutely hate when people say that modelling has become "all inclusive" when in reality they won't choose someone below 5'6".. pandering indeed!
I saw a video on CZcams recently "Petite Model Tells All" and a model who is about 5' 2" was talking about having a good career in modeling. I'm not sure how true it is, but I found it interesting and thought I should let you know after seeing your comment.
@@mechanicalpants that's really interesting! Thank you for sharing! I've only really seen the cutthroat narrative of "Too short! Next!" So I would very much be interested in seeing another perspective. My sister-in-law auditioned for London Fashion week and she is walking the runway. Runway definitely has its limitations too (moreso than other sections of modeling) but I am very happy to hear that commercial and maybe even editorial is becoming more inclusive when it comes to petites. Thanks again!
@@puccarts You're welcome! I am so pleased to hear that you enjoyed the video and that it was giving you new knowledge and perspective đ It certainly opened up my eyes too!
Yes, I agree, runway modeling and high fashion modeling does seem like it is only a small part of the industry as a whole and the commercial side seems to be full of very good and lucrative opportunities for a model, even petite ones, which I think is great!
gotta be realistic, you wouldn't expect to become an nba player if you had no arms, for example
It's incredible that people now are that delusional that they think they could become models even if they're 4'11
Models are tall for a reason and that's because clothes just look better in tall people, along with the fact that, if we put average people in runways, what's the unique thing about them anymore?
Sorry that you born that short but it is what it is, find another dream cause this one is not for you.
If anything, I wish that someone would be honest about my looksđ
Honestly, would not want to meet this guy irl :< His vids are amazing and he's good at what he does but the scope of what he considers beautiful is so small and limited to conventions. I don't consider myself *beautiful* beautiful so I'd be worried about him scrutinizing every flaw from my face đ
@@pia1945 I honestly just want to be told the truth, I'm tired of good friends telling me I'm pretty when I know I have some imperfections, im really curious as to what he or others would point out. đ€Ł
@@Killmaster7 I think thats kind of true, but I wonder if there's people you don't know who think you're a handsome/beautiful person but I too shy to tell you. Its funny cause I just graduated and all year there was this dude in my class that called me a she-man, I did care, but i also thought it was funny. Later at a last class party he said I looked nice, I was dressed nice but never had he ever complemented me. I was so shocked, at first I thought he was insulting me cause I didn't hear him the first time and then he said it again, I felt great cause he is one of the cool and handsome dudes in school.
@@Killmaster7 eeeeeh, some people are stunning but look intimidating so they don't get approached. And also in some cultures strangers don't rlly talk to eachother so who rlly knows lol
@@pia1945 This is a character put on for entertainment purposes, why would I want to talk about work (beauty) when I'm out with my friends and family.
Genuine question. If the only criteria the designer is looking for is height and build, then why is facial attractiveness so stressed in the industry? Why isnt it just full of tall, well built uggos?
Would you rather pick a tall well built person with a great face or tall well built person with an ugly face? And faces with good bone structure photograph better
Uh because both is better. Clothes just look better on tall and beautiful people
Because the same models doing runways are also doing beauty campaigns, it was a time when there were "runway models" and "photo" models, it's not he case anymore thought you still have models doing "cabin" or showrooms, but they barely do anything els.
Just supply and demand, too many choices to pick from, why not get the best of both worlds.
Donât think thatâs necessarily true. Look at non-famous runway models (Iâm ruling out VS models, famous ones like the Hadid sisters etc) and just talking about pro runway models. If you look at their faces they usually tend to look almost âoddâ sort of unnatural almost. Theyâre not particularly facially conventionally attractive.
Damn. The modeling industry does look for some details that would make no difference in the real world. Asymmetry (to a certain extent) has its own attractiveness. A 7/10 in modeling industry could well be a 10/10 interns of real world attractiveness. And a 10/10 in modeling terms could also turn out to be just a 7/10 in terms of actual attractiveness to somebody else.
I feel like personality adds to attractiveness, be it for a regular person, singer or actor, but a model doesn't have how to show personality, so they have to be max on physical attractiveness
@@BananLord I feel like if industries don't look for personality...ever...It'd feel like a emotionless experience
@@NiCocoKay the whole marketing strategy for idol groups in Japan consists a lot on showcasing the personality of the idols than caring if they can dance.
yes. this
@@BananLord idols not models ...
I am a 4'11 female. I've had some people try to do the whole "funsized" thing on me and it's just...What are you doing? We're not in middle school. It's okay man. I'm short. I've been short all my life. It literally doesn't matter. Just call me short. Stop being weird. I'm not a 7 year old.
Itâs almost a backhanded compliment because they assume we all think short is bad and tall is good.
@@ii954 It's so weird because ppl tried to bully me during school for it and it didn't work because for me it's like, I'm just a person but smaller, like how is that supposed to make me insecure? It's like bullying someone for having brown hair. I just don't really get it lol.
Ye its so infantilizing
nah Iâve been bullied and teased my entire life for being 5 11 female so Iâll keep my remarks ;)
Idk. I'm 32 years old and 4'11" as well. I make fun about my height just like I make fun of others as well. I'm in reach of something up high, and I say, "you're tall.." and the person knows that I'm talking to them. Definitely depends on who's talking to you though for sure. I just gotta make jokes with everything so I'm less miserable around people and I can make fun of others just as much as they make fun of me. Friendly fire.
What people need to understand is that model â irl, touching-grass attractive. And that's ok, because just because Chanel is regarded as the best of the best, doesn't mean that Chanel is what you would imagine an angel or similarly otherworldly beautiful being would wear. Chanel isn't what you would necessarily picture your dream woman wearing.
I'm very frustrated with the "everyone is beautiful" narrative. Because it just makes the issue worse- *the issue is that beauty is tied to self worth.* It shouldn't be, because it is impossible for every person to be beautiful. Every single person is worth something; this is true. People struggle to reconcile these two facts logically. They think "If I am worth something, if I am good and kind, am I not, then, beautiful? Does inner beauty mean nothing?" and the truth is that the two aren't related. Even going off of sheer vibes! You might be able to tell yourself that you can read someone's vibes, but attractive vibes â good person. The man in the video had charisma, he had attractive vibes. But we have no idea if he's a good person. He could be a serial killer. Elvis Presley had charisma, but he was a paedophile. Many autistic people have what neurotypicals call "bad vibes", or come off as creepy and antisocial, even though they are lovely people.
I am an artist, and a character designer. My character designs range from realistic; something that a queen or an elementary schooler would realistically wear- to fantastical; bespoke, intricate clothing with symbolism about character traits and themes, that only a video game character, who exists in a story, would wear. Top designers rarely make something I'd ever find in the top 5% of beautiful clothing. What they make is simply what best matches the parameters of their industry. They must constantly generate unique, striking clothing, to be worn by unique, striking people. If it looks good, that's a happy side affect. People like it for the prestige, for the novelty, and for the craftsmanship. If someone tells you they genuinely think designer clothing is the most attractive clothing that exists, they have no taste of their own. There is nothing visually that defines designer clothing, not like there is for clothing from a fashion subculture like Decora Kei or Visual Kei. Designer clothing is defined by what leads to it being produced.
Models aren't always hot. Even fashion runway models. The type of people who succeed on Tiktok or Instagram, or in Hollywood, because of their good looks, aren't (for the most part) the type of people you'd see strutting down a catwalk with their eyebrows bleached and sequins glued to their cheeks. I am an artist, and the type of people I'd paint when imagining the limits of ethereal beauty aren't fit to become supermodels. You have to learn that sometimes what âšthe industryâš thinks is hot, is not. The industry has strict height requirements, and they're completely nonsensical. It's not as if they have a specific proportional requirement. A man could look like a Greek god, and be rejected for not meeting the requirements.
Once you realise that you don't need âšthe industryâš to validate what you think is attractive, you are free. âšthe industryâš doesn't *need* more short kings, doesn't *need* more people with freckles. If âšthe industryâš doesn't want them, that's their problem, that's their loss. They aren't the end-all and be-all of beauty, and I simply do not expect them to be.
Thanks I'll be using now 'beauty is an industry created construct' đ
but then also... Beauty Marketing is not build for peoples 'desire' but their insecurities.
very well put.
@@Janelou42 somewhat. alot of models look too alien-like for me lol.
True. I have severe body dysmorphia and because I donât feel like I look attractive enough, I feel so worthless and of not value.
Yeah a lot of models don't even look fully human they are not what I would want to look like they have this unreachable/ unrealistic attractiveness to them
Asian guy was everyday hot to me. Pale dark hair guy I could see being more of a model but I wouldnât look twice at him beyond that.
Dark hair guy will be stunning with a tan + hair lightening + muscle. That kid could go to Milan if he did those things. Or he could go for the anorexic look, stay pale, and perhaps switch up the hairstyle to go for a more Paris fashion week look. What Iâm saying is that you wouldnât look at him twice as is, but he could change things to make you look twice whereas the Asian guy canât.
@@gummy5862 that would literally not change a thing for me with the pale guy. đ also the Asian guy could change his look as well.
@@Lucienne487 I agree with both you and gummy. We all have our preferences.
@@gummy5862 he suits the grunge anorexic look
@@qwertyboo thatâs literally all it is. Iâve noticed modeling agencies donât really promote anything outside of that. Anyone who doesnât fit into that Edward scissor hands look (except for the occasional diversity hire) doesnât really get any attention
model attractions and personal attractions are very different, I get stares and even girl keep looking at me alot in public but when I try for modeling they say my face is to wide. so honestly don't feel bad if a scout model doesn't find you attractive.
facts the modelling industry looks for a certain type of face which is attractive rather than just all attractive people
Maybe they look at you because you ugly?
Too wide really isn't that much of Anything lol. They just Photoshop your head slimmer. Sounds ffed up but yea
yea people say iâm beautiful all the time and some have said that i should model however i know for a fact that i am way too short and iâm also a black woman who doesnât have sharp features. thatâs absolutely fine.
@@kaylabey ima be honest judging from you're pfp you look like the average light skin black girl nothing special
This model scout quickly figured out the situation. Of course, he didn't intend to do his job in this video, he really found interesting features in every person introduced to him and called everyone attractive. His profession simply added spice to this process. Do you find irony here?
When I was in my early 20s I literally had no money, so I was starving, which made my face look chiseled and I wound up getting scouted by model agents in New York CONSTANTLY (and girls were very forward in approaching me).
Now I'm successful, married, a little too well fed and have lost my natural six pack, while my face and neck have definitely filled out. Now when model scouts see me they cross the street. women roll their eyes when I say "Hi". Moral of the story: Stay Hungry.
Thank you
Best one yet
Leanmaxxing is OP
He isnât just charismatic, heâs a charismatic *liar.* If I were to like modeling, I want a straight no or yes and sometimes even maybe depending on the headache I would get trying to get that career.
The difference is if you went to him not on camera you would likely get a very different response. The people heâs rating are all volunteers who didnât asked to be judged on their appearance, while you are actively looking to get a job and be criticized on your looks. Iâm sure heâd be curt if he was actually doing his job.
That's not what he's been hired to do here. In an actual casting I'm sure he's right to the point.
Exactly, Like his charisma to me didn't come across as genuine though it was entertaining for the videos purpose!
Seems the comments on the original video felt the opposite lol
Oh trust me... when the cameras are off, his inner sassy queen will come out and tear you into a millions pieces.
I like this guy. He's judging without being judgy. He knows that none of these people will be modeling but points out their good points.
This whole thing is a waste of time anyway, and this industry is toxic to work in.
10:25 so accurate! These things can be taught, like how in acting sometimes they pick people based on looks to fit the part and then give them coaches to play the part accurately. Also, every show wants a different type of walk anyways so it would be a learning curve regardless!
Seeing "petite" being classified as 165/170cm feels so weird as a 158cm hobbit. Tho I do look taller than I am because I have fairly long legs and an athletic/svelte build that gives the illusion of some more cms than what I truly have. Alas my looks fit much more the 1900s aesthetic (which I have embraced by going full Edwardian in my daily outfits) than 2020s lol
158cm hobbit? well hello there I'm 145cm đȘ
itâs bc theyâre tryna make petite look tall which literally just translate to average
Edwardian fashion slaps! Awesome
@@politecat4236 Edwardian? Like Edward Elric? lol
petite is usually defined as below 5'3.. it's different in modelling because the average is much taller in the niche.
What I'm taking from this video is not that I'm attractive or unattractive but that I'm very uncharismaric lol.
over for uncharismariccel jfl
@@21fad24 lmao
What he is doing is not charisma
@@mickethegoblin7167 hmm its more the definition of charisma that got me lol.
With him he started out OK but quickly got disingenuous imo.
@@Arkhs he got VERY disingenuous. Plus, that isn't what the definition of charisma is, not really. You don't necessarily have to make people feel good about themselves- they have to feel good about YOU. That is what charisma is, magnetism- other people are drawn to you and admire you. You can be a asshole and shit on people yet still be charismatic.
I personaly agree with you but most people need that sugar coating
Yes some people really does have bad self image. Also imagine if the model scout were being direct... it'll ruin his image for sure.
I appreciate the different perspective but that video was made for entertainment, not technical modelling.
No they don't. Everyone needs honesty
@@Kamisuitendo you must be popular
@@inexperiencedknife he/she is absolutely correct though
@Stellar Sphinx sure, but tact is not sugarcoating, as you said. As long as there is honesty, than we are all in agreement.
I really love your statement about designers not wanting to create the aesthetical proportion sizes of clothing for everyone to make themselves feel great. That is one of my issues as a southeast Asian. Garments are too long for our bodies, even if the width fits our sizes. I always have this on my mind to create a clothing brand that will teach the market how to wear proper clothing proportions to revolutionize the clothing industry vs. the western designs that are measured through very tall prototypes.
this lol. I hate "that's just how it is" takes because theyre so dull. Any system can be changed. Everything is made up. If everyone sits with their hands under their ass and goes "that's just the industry!" for every situation, then nothing would ever improve in the world . Some people are so content to blindly consume what is put in front of them and nothing more
If you can afford it you could try buying clothes from those markets, on the flip side I've bought stuff from Japanese designers that ended up too short/boxy, you can also figure out workarounds, I'm a guy but usually buy women's jeans with an extended rise because my waist is tiny, or you could develop a style that makes use of these longer proportions. Anyway, just some ideas since the capitalist fashion system isn't going to change.
Can't lengthen a too short item, but you can re-hem a too long one, that's why... now as a tall person I wish just one house I've lived in didn't design every single counter, sink, for tiny ppl.
I really like the way you analyzed this. The way you hot only talked about how how he exaggerated their appearance but also how he delivers the news to them is interesting. Good job đ
Excellent video yet again! I would love to see a whole video on petite modeling - which markets hire petite, physical requirements, career aspects, etc. Particularly, Iâm curious about whether clothing companies (e.g. Athleta) might hire petite women. Thank you so much!
There definitely is a market for it. The same goes for shorter guys, we may not be considered for runways but in everyday life Iâve had a lot of people compliment me on my body proportions
they don't. not for modeling anyway. but petite women can always get contracted by clothing brands since a lot of them are trying to bring inclusivity nowadays by representing different body types (petite, plus, tall, et cetera).
Iâm just realizing now that what this is, is masterpiece in being as diplomatic and generous as possible to ppl. Thatâs actually a very valuable skill to have. It comes across pretty much as genuine as you could wish for rather than patronizing. That is very very difficult to pull off! Iâm going to watch this more and learn from this guy. People skills
Qoves:
You know what you can't change in a week? Your face!
Top Beverly Hills plastic surgeon:
Gimme 6 months, Ms. Hadid.
Carla Bruni. What you can't change is your height and proportions
@@emmaphilo4049 There is a risky surgery to lengthen the bones of your legs. It was developed initially in Russia. It can add a few inches in height/leg length. Requires a lot of time (bones have to grow gradually, metal pins get adjusted) and there's a risk of bones not properly growing and the person needing crutches and walking aids.
@@emmaphilo4049 actually limb lengthening surgery using intermedullar nails have had high success rates such as the us Korea Russia abs turkey
@@SY-ok2dq or we could just⊠not discriminate against short people
@@ii954 What do you mean "WE"? Who is doing the discriminating? It's not me, that's for sure - I'm small (a dwarf by international modeling standards, but fairly average height for a woman, in many parts of Asia, definitely not considered "short" there, by ordinary person standards).
Don't say "we could not discriminate". You should be saying "the modeling world" or "Western beauty standards" or something like that.
BTW once upon a time, Elizabeth Taylor was the highest paid actress in the world, and a superstar, and called one of the most beautiful women in the world. And she was small in stature (by Western standards, that is, because she'd definitely have been taller than many women in many parts of Asia back in the 50s and 60s), around my height.
Also, Lily-Rose Depp, daughter of Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis, is only around what Taylor's height was. Yet she's done some very high profile modeling work, for famous brands and designers. But we all know that it's because of who her parents are, and so her lack of height for modeling is not even considered.
Apart from the well put together content QOVES always has to offer, I canât help but chuckle, thereâs always something absolutely blunt to say which really makes you consider and ponder all overđI like the realism that is maintained while taking in account the fierce industry, rather wishful thinking. Always look forward to more.
I think the model scout is really nice and we do need some people to sugarcoat bad news sometimes.
I think so too..body dysphoria is real and comments that are unfiltered can trigger them. This youtube creator does not seem to understand that
The long haired guy looks amazing, and his hair suits him
I think he wanted to scout him because he has a rock-star energy. He isn't perfect but he could be marketed as an edgy model which is very popular these days. The Asian guy would look more perfect as a model but he had nothing that stands out.
he looks too approachable for runway modeling tho
Yes, I want his IG
@@sw-hg8eq Asian guy would do good as a Uniqlo model, long haired guy would do good as a runway model or streetwear
@@dnpc1745 Find it yet?
as much as I agree with you about how "kindly" he is delivering the news, for most people, the norm would not be to go out and point out all the bad things about eh person. as much as I understand and agree with you that sugar coating is unnecessary, I'm sure (ofc I'm not actually sure but yh) that if you or I were to be placed in that situation, when we are talking to people who have *never* been in the fashion industry, we would deliver the news kinder. then again with someone who has experience in the fashion industry, the news will probably come off as normal to them. no hate in the comment btw, just something i thought of.
If you signed up to get rated professionally and all he does is lie to your face, that is disappointing. I would rather be told I'm a 1 (even though I'm not lol)
@@puppieslovies I understand that, though I do think/believe that majority would rather be sugar coated. But I do ultimately agree with you
I really enjoy this video, especially because I work for David(the scout in the video). Iâm an athlete, Iâm fit, Iâm tall, but it doesnât make it any easier for me to get shoots or campaigns. I love modeling, but working for an agency is extremely difficult without a proper manager is very challenging
Your voice is so easy to listen to; your straightforwardness is truthful and kind.
I really like the way you articulated this video, honest and upfront.
As I grow older, I realize that life is really not fair. Some people are naturally attractive and beautiful in a special way without even trying and then there are "us" who are barely presentable. Enough of that "beauty comes from the inside" scam.
Yeah, life is not fair but that's alright. Most people aren't attractive.
You don't need the validation of soulless professionals in this industry to be attractive. Most people are attractive in their own way, even if that just means being great on the inside.
You are absolutely right. But the solution is not to sulk about it, as this will solve nothing. Instead you need to find your own balance in life, truly accept who you are and turn yourself into the best version. It takes hard work and effort, but I think anyone, regardless of looks, nationality, height, economic situation etc., can be respectable, nice and meet people who will value them in the world. You need to put in the work.
@@Jordan_Dossou đ€Ł
I truly believe in effort if you do the work you can be average. How you dress? Did you have braces? Skin care? Workout routine? You may never be gorgeous but atleast you wont be "ugly" care for yourself and someone will see that. Trust. And btw these "beautiful" people will be ugly one day so dont chase after that your whole life. Do things to improve your overall life
Always enjoy your videos, thank you!
I wish they had actually thrown in some top notch candidates. That way we could see the scouts genuine reaction to potential talent. They best they delivered was the â10â and like you said, in actuality he was more of a 7 by industry standards.
Iâm impressed by that scoutâs ability to give people very honest criticism about their appearance while not hurting their feelings.
Magnificent channel. It opened my eyes for beauty and atractivness. You motivated me to start working out after 12 years of inactivity. Im really liking this butality and cruelty of your channel. Best regards from Croatia. And also where are you most active in time between uploading videos?
this was low key one of the most informative and honest videos Iâve seen ! Nice!
thank you for dispelling the myth (i say myth i dont know a better wrod to use) that being a model is solely based upon facial attractiveness. you can be attractive and not deemed 'model worthy'. i liked the point where you said it would be better for people to find a fulfilling career elsewhere and i think it's true.
Lol, how he spoke about that last guy (with the pajama pants) vs everyone else is telling. It's like a baseline for a polygraph.
The Asian guy is attractive for real life, just doesn't have the kind of exceptional beauty like pajama pants guy. The latter doesn't even have to dress well for his natural beauty to be apparent. I think that's why people like that are so marketable as models because they make even ugly clothes look good.
Stuff like this that cuts through such suffocating BS is cathartic. The pity flattery for that first girl was especially painful. Green hair girl didn't seem like she cared about getting into modeling, so I think that's why it was easier to be less bullshitty.
Also wanna add, I don't think the difference between Asian guy and pajama pants guy is make or break in terms of attractiveness. Imo they're both at a level where their personality and how much you connect with them as individuals could determine who you find more attractive, give or take personal preferences.
Just feels kinda crappy having to compare them like that, it places disproportionate value on the details of their appearance.
Am I the only one who found Asian guy more attractive? I honestly think it was just because of eye color, if pajama pants had brown eyes he wouldnât have been ranked as high, is face is actually pretty average.
@@ii954 I respect that opinion, revisiting my comment now I regret the over bias to pajama pants guy, it's really personal preference.
I actually think the reason pajama guy works better for modeling is that his face is...bland sounds bad, but yeah. In that his features are even and pleasant but not eye-catching unless you're really studying them. Asian guy is very cute but his face has some individuality, some character. His nose is a bit asymmetrical, etc. So for modeling especially runway modeling high fashion clothes, I imagine that people's gazes would slide over pajama boy but perhaps catch on Asian guy's face. Also, pajama boy could probably model thousands of different styles without ever looking strange, whereas Asian guy (like most of us) might suit one better than others, or some such. That's my theory anyway. They looked about the same height and proportion otherwise and I disliked their outfits equally, lol. That's the only real difference I can see.
@@rachelclark6393 Yeah I agree, he's "multipurpose".
this is a great video, i totally agree. im 163 cm so too short for petite, however the thing that landed me jobs is my proportions (i look significantly taller in photos because of it and my legs are almost 1m so you can imagine how proportions work out), they are able to overlook my height for commercial/high fashion shoots (no runaway of course). BUT this is only in east asia, where the average height is my exact height, my face also fits almost perfectly to that market, but i canât imagine getting work anywhere else⊠the scout in the video is obviously sugar coating, not really realistic for this industry
i'm the same but i'm way shorter, i have very long legs for my height and that's why i appear much taller than i actually am so lol
love your honest reviews đ
I never watch these sort of videoâs, but this was very interesting/informative! I applaud you!
I really like your bluntness
It's not demeaning, it simply the truth
Maybe this why people I knew didn't like your channel
They didn't want to hear the truth
My uncle is a professional model. He had to change his body a lot, swinging between bulky and lanky. I admire how sure he is of himself that he isn't affected by it
i absolutely loved the way you analyzed this video
10:47 âYou know what you canât change in a week? Your faceâ
that took me out đ
" There's one thing you can't change in a week ,." "Your Face ," loll . If it were me being critiqued I'd rather it be gently by the scout than Qoves :)
The whole point of the runway walk isn't to determine whether a person will be selected as a model, it's to see if a person will be selected in the direction of a runway model or not. He's simply asking to see if they need need work or not, training intensely doesn't mean a person will eventually get a runways walk. The reason he asked them to demonstrate is simply time. If a person has a good runway walk and doesn't need that much training, their availability and booking could be easier and faster vs if they didn't. I would assume you would know this and why he asked, everything is time managed. The quicker and easier someone can do something the better and faster the work can become and the jobs they can get. If you've trained that person for a week and they still don't have the "walk" then maybe they can try something else beside the runway. Posture is the #1 key factors of a runway walk, you don't want to be stiff modeling clothes on the runway, for everybody to see how they may fit on their body, when their actually moving around and other might perceive the look or fashion their giving. So it was really unnecessary for you to make that statement if you simply just didn't understand.
Runways is less than 0.3% of the industry. There is no correlation between your walk and your success in the industry. We have 3 separate interviews on this very channel with 3 different modelling agency owners if you're after a source: czcams.com/video/P4sb6MrIre4/video.html
@@QOVESStudio Understandable but never stated that it meant success, what I'm stating is simply getting a job and being able to maintain that job through different avenue, one of them being runway. You don't won't to waste your time on someone who can't do something, and will probably have a very bad experience if you try to intensely train and then at the end the model states they don't want to do it(time wasted, money wasted, resources wasted). Models should be having easier time in the industry, not a harder time just like anybody else trying to obtain a job regardless of your success being in the đ or not.
I like that your direct, itâs neat
i like how the video is straight to the point
An attractive person doesn't necessarily need to fulfill all the sought-after traits present in the modeling industry, and a model doesn't necessarily have to be attractive outside of the studio.
Perfect!!! Im a model for 10 years , every of your word is spot on !!!!
I find it kinda amusing that models have normal interests like anime
i think we're on the process of change though... just look at jacquemus and moschino to name a couple... their runway models now are very diverse (height, size, race, ability, overall conventional attractiveness)
The high fashion modeling world truly sounds like a nightmare in every sense of the word. I truly think people need to stop worrying about whether they would be attractive according to those standards, because they don't mean absolutely anything when it comes to how other people look at you on real life. Modeling standards are made for specific practical purposes, not for dating or loving or self expression.
I was a scout in fashion in London. Many of the people Iâd leap off the tube to run after would say âIâm already signed with Storm/Select/Premierâ etc. everyone I did send along, got signed up though
How do you get started with modeling as a 16 year old?
I think you sort of missed the point on the comments towards the petite girl, he knew she could take the criticism and that's why he said it directly first and then just commenting on the same point you commented on of how people use different terms to say the same thing to sugarcoat. He explains and lists those words right in front of her because he's not actually trying to sugarcoat things for her. Also, there's nothing really wrong with using those type of words, I'd like to think most people do know what they connotate and it just helps keep the atmosphere light. Otherwise, it's always a pleasure to hear your comments on such videos!
I always say I donât think most models are even attractive they all just look like models đ strong jaw hollow cheeks strong ass eyebrows and small eyes is just what models look like they arenât necessarily super attractive people
Same, not saying that to be jealous but it just doesnât translate as well to everyday attractiveness
@@steezy2591 Someone sounds narcissistic and boasting.
@@Lost_In_Peace He's just acknowledging his attractiveness. Like people acknowledge their ugliness or averageness
There are shorter models like Andrea Faccio, LepetitArnd, Johnny Edling.
It would be really nice if you make videa about what makes them suitable for modelling
Hes just operating on the current standards for most male models.
Those are commercial models. High fashion models need to be a certain height. But i agree shorter people can be models too
@@lousdinovembre lol no one needs to be a certain height for anything
Just the way things are ran as of now.
If we were in the Renaissance, it'd be all fat disgusting women modeling
Am I the only one who thinks that "industry attractiveness" or being a model isn't really that great of an achievement or a thing to strive for?? You're technically a prop, a clothing hanger, less than 5% of models make it big, and like QOVES said you gain a set of skills that are no good anywhere else.
A pretty useless job if you ask me.
Itâs a job, you donât need to apply your set of skills anywhere else because youâre already applying them to modelling. Models do it for money, just like everyone else
@@maxime9006 You actually do, one of the major reasons people go to college is the versatility that the degree would give them so they could use it in applying to different jobs and fields.
And it gives a sense of security as well, if a model gets into an accident or gains weight for example her/his career is pretty much gone. They are left to maybe teach modeling if they get lucky and have a skill for teaching, other than that pretty much useless.
And for the money argument, like I mentioned less than 5% of models make it big enough to be solely a model, many others need to have multiple side hustles to finance their dream to become a model and it may never be a reality.
not really. tiktok proves how being attractive can make you very successful. and how you can use that to leverage into other fields. Alot of models/goodlooking people eventually venture into acting or start their own companies.
It's a job at least. If you want to do it and you can than why not do it? Of course there's more honorable jobs in the world but selling things runs the economy
i think calling it a useless job is very uncalled for. it is a legal job. and those models use their body parts to do it, just like how professionals use their brains or whatever. i agree that we shouldn't base our worth on attractiveness. but calling it a useless job seemingly out of spite kinda make you sound jealous and petty af
I love how you pointed out that a walk could be trained in a week. Idk why model walks are hyped up like theyâre gymnasts or martial artists or something.
thanks so much of the honest, straight forwards answers!! really prefer this over his charismatic euphemisms
This was such a good video on this!
it is pretty interesting to realize the difference between model attractive and normal attractive. most models i see are honestly not the best thing to look at, but they do sell the clothes they are wearing very well.
Yeah calling adults that they're fun sized is the definition of demeaning. Thanks for recognizing that
This man is so patronizing its pathetic!đź
This was very informative. Thanks.
Thank YOU for being honest!!
What I love about this whole ''dont hurt my feelings'' is that despite you wanting or not to have your feelings hurt..you will . Why? Because you know what you are and what you are not .You can lie to yourself for a day , month a year but soon you'll break down while others keep lying to you . Thats sorta of thing will either drive you into suicide or insanity unless you understand the reality of the situation and accept yourself for who you are and who you should be.
Do a video breaking down broad shoulders please
Why?
Broad shoulders are definitely important for male attractiveness so that would be an interesting video.
Thereâs not much to breakdown . They look cooler than narrow shoulders . Thatâs it
10:42 DAMN this made me laugh so hard đ I love how youâre so straight forward
Analyze Monica Bellucci's face. My keyboard is gonna break up with me.
Idk man but I want him to analyze more unique faces and why do we find some weird looking celebs attractive. Monica has the most perfect face harmony ever, thats why she's attractive, the end.
@@milabo2177 I would like to see more of a hunter schafer type ? bc I really think she's attractive even tho i know her face features aren't classic beauty type at all
Most couture houses dont use different body types. They still use the long, tall, slim girls. I say girls because they don't use "older" women either.đ¶ I dont see really real changes in the couture.
What a weird structural device employed in the original video. Did they just go into a random office and tell people to show up in the studio? How did they choose these people? A little information about the setup would have helped the viewer understand how ridiculous this setup was. I've been in the photo industry for decades. I would do castings for other photographers and then later in my career, castings for myself for clients--mostly lifestyle just edging along the fringes of a fashion feel. You said what I was thinking while watching the casting director interact with these people. He was charismatic but in a way that seems part of his schtick. What would be most interesting, and will never happen, would be a behind-the-scenes of a model call or open call day at an agency. Modeling agents are not known for the bedside manner...
Full grown people still get their feelings hurt... Why would you add salt to wounds to people who will experience bad news on their own... I'm glad he did it this way. People need more nice people like that... Not people who treat others like they're machines or not human. No one needs to feel like shit for how they look...you can't immediately change that...
Especially since they arenât in the modeling industry there is no reason to go so hard on regular people.
I know the industry probably won't change, but I wish there was more designer outfits for short people, I'm 154cm 5 foot 2 and all it's always so hard finding fashion that works for my height
hate to break it to you but 154cm is actually 5'0. I'm 5'1 so I feel the pain
must be tough, especially since you don't even seem to know what your correct height is in inches...
@@innocehnt75 152 cm is 5'0
I feel like he should clarify more the difference between scouting a model for advertising rather than runway. Because scouting for both is really different and in some parts it seems like he's trying to sugarcoat that difference to not make the people insecure.
When I was watching the original video I was taking it with a grain of salt, he's being honest with his judgement, just not totally truthful, as the full reality might be quite demeaning for those coming in. The experience of having your looks be judged by a professional can be quite daunting, add to that that the video is made to be an entertaining and representative of a variety of body types/ages and so for the viewing experience its better to have a positive mood, hence the complements and general positive uplifting attitude.
As for the ratings if I were to guess they were given in the moment, as compared to the average person. 10 being marketable and possibly successful (as far as industry goes) and not being assured to be a top performer but capable of making a career. Anything below might be possible to maintain a career but not to the same level.
This was obviously my interpretation of the video but I can understand the desire for honesty in its totality. Though if I might say being polite isn't to be scowled at when judging a volunteering stranger's appearances.
this guy knows what hes doing hes able to interact with people without hurting feelings or making it awkward
Thanks for keeping it real man
The way heâs delivering things is just being entertaining for a video lol. Like fun sized.
And I donât think itâs innate to humans to like long legs and short torsos. The world is large and diverse and humanity has a long history.
Yes, I have noticed the clothes thing. I am 6â5â, with long legs, and a short torso. Clothes always just seemed to look good on me, not trying to be arrogant, but it is something I always noticed.
Whey you can go to modelling industry
Clothes dont look better on taller people. They are more visible. If the clothes its the 1st thing other notice about you, then your body likely ain't attractive.
You tell it how it is, and I can appreciate your honesty, no matter how sad the truth is
Thanks for the great video.
i've never understood why plus-size models became a thing but short people are still shunned even if they are very thin, as expected of a model considering the point is to look like a "clothing hanger" to showcase the clothing without drawing attention away from the main attraction.
follow the money, pandering sells. no one feels victimized for being short
Z good head of hair makes a big difference no matter what@
Ive been modeling for 3 years. PRint and beauty. I love it
The industry is changing. Runway modeling doesnt make up 90 percent of the modeling industry. As a whole its changing. runway not so much but thats just part of it
Your videos are really interesting :)
I love your honesty.