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Something Went WRONG with the eBay Turbo!!! Chevy Cruze 1.8L Daily Driver Build
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2020
- Something Went WRONG with the eBay Turbo!!! Chevy Cruze 1.8L Daily Driver Build.
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Whoops! Time to sort out the PCV... lol
One of numerous problems with these pieces of shit.
@@ianseiler8813 This is a 1.8 NA. They don't come equipped with a PCV system for boost.
@@cmattdabrat Have you tried looking into a valve cover breather?
@@PatrickFedigan I've got a couple ideas that'll work great. Involves a couple check valves, and either venting to atmosphere or using an PCV exhaust EVAC to pull the crankcase pressure under boost.
@@cmattdabrat you need a y splitter one going to the intake filter and a vac line with a check valve going to the inter side of the throttle body with the valve arrow going to the valve cover.
Love finding hidden gem channels like this! I love your content bro!
Thanks bro! I appreciate it.
haha i know right, mans got me in the bahamas watching him build a mf chevy cruze 😂😂 i love it
@@poopytrist9892 LOL! Welcome aboard!
Now, me and the mad scientist got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
LOL! What are you smiling at? Dude, I almost had you.
As the pioneer, I'm glad you're not easily discouraged! I can't wait for the end result. I am currently reading up on tuning and planning to purchase the HPTuners to start with, so I can fetch my data and go from there.
I'm not discouraged at all. It took me 6 years to build that v8 beetle, so this is a walk in the park, although new to me when it comes to tuning and boost. Smart idea! I kinda did that, with the turbo on as an exhaust piece for a while until I had it dialed in. Learn to MAF and VE tune. VE before MAF. MAF basically keeps things spot on and references the VE tables from my understanding thus far.
Love the content!! Been binge watching the Cruise build on and off for about 2 1/2 hrs or so now and I don't even own a Cruise!! lol. Very informative videos though, I like the fact you're showing that you're learning how to tune. I have a 2004 SRT-4 with a few upgrades. I am currently running a DSP 93 tune but I am learning how to do all the data logging and write the tunes myself also. It is not an easy process and there is a lot to learn!! Watching these videos has definitely helped me as well as inspired me a little more. Keep up the good work bro!! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos
LOL! Thanks! With learning to tune, I've learned you definitely have to been in it for the long haul. Try to learn as much has possible online week after week, and most importantly, apply it. Sounds like an awesome build. I also wanted a SRT-4. I had a dodge neon back in '01 right before they released the first SRT-4. Wish I still had it. Keep me updated on how the tuning goes. Also, check out HP Tuners tutorials. Lots of cool live tuning.
Currently binging. Don't know how i got here but I'm glad 😌
That’s awesome. Glad you made it over and are enjoying the content.
Just found this channel, great job man very interesting series. Looking forward to more
Thanks! More to come soon.
Been binging on these vids! 👍🏻
Definitely will! Lots more to come.
Me too. This guy got great energy. Good vibes
@@thenwent I appreciate it.
I don't even own/like cruzes, but same because it's different and he's making his dreams come true. As a car guy, this is the kind of thing I can get behind!
@@BMTDTRAA Thanks! I appreciate it. It's definitely been a fun project slowly coming to life.
Hey Matt, love the video series as I got a 1.8 Cruze as well and thinking about a turbo as well. Mad props and keep it up! I have a feeling it's your catch can setup. There's excess oil that is coming out of the valve cover / PCV. It's meant for pressure release with vaporized oil. However, your current setup puts that air right back into the beginning of the intake. Try sending the catch can exit to somewhere further downstream like after the BOV.
Thanks Ken! You're right about that. Once everything is back together I'll get that all sorted out.
Sub'd. After this and the other vids you deff deserve more exposure.
Thanks. I appreciate it!
Binge watching all the Chevy Cruze videos! Nice
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Haha same
@@UndergroundRacingCartel Nice! Thanks guys!
To be honest I'm glade I'm starting with modifying the 1.4 turbo Cruze so I'm ahead of the curve. No timing belt to worry about and gm already did the design work on engineering a turbo to fit lol. Most of your upgrades can be transferred over to modifying the turbo car so I'm loving watching start to finish.
The 1.4 is actually a great engine. Has a bed plate main bearing setup, timing chain, hemi head with 4 valves, steel block, aluminum head. Plenty of aftermarket support with intakes, intercoolers, injectors, cams, etc. If you wanted to make 1,000 hp I'm sure you could with enough boost.
Thanks for the video 👍
Plenty more to come as I resolve the PCV issue and get her back on the road!
The most underrated car related channel on CZcams! Such a shame.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Enjoying these vids, subbed! One comment, maybe a little less shaky on the camera. But content is spot on!
Thanks! I've since upgraded cameras to help. Just been making do with what I have. An old T3i.
So many pops😁
LOL! Popcorn machine.
You may need to look at your oil drain line, 1 its too small, 2 minimum an-12 but ideally larger ID the better. I also noticed the drain tap you made points upward into the pan? it may or may not cause some backing up to the turbo. Garrett says for their turbos an-16 is adequate for flow.
Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely look into it.
@@cmattdabrat I thought that oil return needed decent size, lots of kits sold for my cars are an-10 however the factory return line for my car is id= an-12 so I had a buddy contact garret and ask about mid size journal bearing turbo return lines and the engineer for Garrett said a -16an was recommended and no smaller than a -12 an.
If turbo seals take a hit of too much oil pressure say at wot they can blow out and start pushing oil into the intake side. To reduce the likely hood of pressure build up you need more outlet flow for the turbo and in some cases restrictor for oil pressure. We want volume lots of it, but only up to certain pressures, too high psi can cause bearing failure.
turbolabofamerica.com/category/turbo-blowing-oil/
@@epoxeclipse finally someone in the comments who knows what they are talking about
@@CorruptInfinityOfficial Ian's take from turbo labs is what engineers have brought up, if your outlet flow dips below inlet flow you blow oil into the intake. You want as MUCH flow as possible especially under WOT for cooling and for bearing function, but more for cooling. Oil coming out of the turbo is foamed up. You can run a small ID oil drain and it will work, you are just doing a disservice to the bearings longevity. After pouring over specs I decided to keep the factory oil drain on my 16g, run no restrictor and keep my water cooling lines through the turbo. BONUS my car heats up faster in winter.
Yeah my DSM used 5/8 hose for the drain.
You have to use an oil restrictor in the oil line to the turbo.
Nope. Not for a journal bearing turbo. This was a PCV issue, which needed a one way check valve. Not oil feed / drainage.
@@cmattdabrat yes with eBay turbo you should use a restrictor :)
Ok here we go :)) finally a propper chanel :))
:) Welcome aboard.
One indicator of a major issue is your boost/vac gauge. I noticed when you first installed it the gauge was slow to respond. When you come off engine braking the gauge should go to zero immediately, yet it doesn’t. It’s also slow to respond going into boost. This makes me question whether there’s a kink in the line.
Additionally when you only see 10” Hg at idle you have a major problem. That says the engine can’t build vacuum properly which indicates a cracked piston/broken ring at the very least. Your boost gauge is a valuable tool in monitoring the health of your engine.
I also noticed your oil drain is angled towards the ground, that is absolutely suboptimal. You should angle it up. The way it is now it has to overcome gravity and can cause oil to back up into the line.
Things to consider.
- Guy who built cars for a living before he started tuning for a living.
Thanks for all the tips! Be sure to check out some of my latest videos as I'm correcting all of these issues.
Matt if you don’t take that your to the dealer LOL
LOL! They would be like, what's that turbo doing on there?
I got my fake crystal ball out and I see a new car in your future lol
I am doing a full motor build on my 1.4t and doing a gtx 2860 turbo
Awesome! What are the HP goals?
I’m about to work on a turbo build on my 1.8 Sonic. Pretty interesting to watch your videos on it
Awesome! Wont take much to get her back on the road and then it'll be time to push more boost.
Any idea if 1.4 head will fit 1.8 block?
@@dannyjr7997 Not at all. They're completely different engines.
Ruh roh Raggy. I was wondering if you converted your PCV at all.
Definitely my bad. Now I'm an expert at how the PCV system works on this car. lol
The catch can looked fine unless you weren’t running a PCV off the valve cover, was that the issue?
That was the issue. I made a hole in the cam cover and over looked the fact the stock pcv wasn't going to hold the boost. So I was boosting the crankcase since the pcv goes right behind the throttle body.
What’s installed for engine management and who tuned it?
HPTuners. I tuned it. Was a PCV issue I overlooked.
Was the issue because you drilled out the oil feed restriction
The issue was because the pcv goes behind the throttle body. There for I was boosting the crankcase. Something I had over looked.
Yeah 1.4 don't really have that prob until eather the big breather valve on top or the tiny one inside the intake dies then u see ur valve cover spew out oil like some one stabed it
The best sign to figure wich one died and or both cause once on gose the other is not far you look for a whizzing and or if your cars idle is shit on the 1.4 of course
@@luise7157 They're setup somewhat similar with the diaphragm. I just didn't think it through well enough accounting for the boost coming out of the throttle body. I'll have it nailed down this next time around with a couple one way check valves and a couple catch cans.
@UCcSZJjkGFf7wUfxk3SvZcDA i think your exhaust is restrictive and causing backpressure which can over heat the turbo, plus tooo lean/rich can also do that.
also if you supply too much oil to the turbo it will push into the intake or exhaust. you're supposed to run a restrictor.
Hey! Thanks for the reply. I should probably address this in a video. I think it would be helpful to understand what went wrong. When and how turbos leak, and the difference between an overlooked PCV system, and poor turbo drainage, which can cause similar results, but are two different problems. And how to diagnose them.
What kind of numbers are you seeing with that turbo?
I haven't dyno'd it yet. I'm currently building the bottom end and top end. Keep an eye out for video because I will be taking it to the dyno. Shooting for 400+whp.
You look like discount moog from mighty car mod 😂, btw like the content though
LOL, thanks!
Cracked ring land?
Overlooked / under thought out the PCV system. PCV tube goes right behind the throttle body. So I was basically boosting the crankcase. You live and learn.
Hi. So the pcv blew all of your oil through your system? And the turbo may have failed due to lack of oil?
The turbo is fine. Only issue was not setting up the PCV properly, so the cold side of the turbo was ingesting oil and time boost cam on. Oil built up in the intake during one drive, and I limped it home because it was misfiring bad. I was logging the drive and it was constantly under boost, and pulling 10+ degrees of timing. At that point I had to put it apart and make sure the internals were okay. They were. Then that's when the rabbit hole started. "While the head is off, why not port it? While the pistons are out, why not get forged pistons, bigger rods.. while pistons are being made, why not have the cams reground, etc."
@@cmattdabrat hells yeah man. Thanks for having us along
@@dunaweezel I'm grateful that you guys are along for the ride.
I noticed the last video the dash said "reduced power" most likely due to knocking.
More than likely.
Reduce power could be p1820. Its a cruze problem p0700 could pop up too big question can u take pics of your taps and send then to me really dont wanna pay 1200 labor lol
I know it’s an old video. But I don’t think the mad should be before the turbo. Probably why the AFR is crappy.
With the way the ECU is setup, the IAT sensor is part of the MAF. The 1.4 version of these have the MAF/IAT before the turbo. My issue is not a straight enough path for the air to get a good reading. All that is being corrected with the next build.
What u sippin on homie gm cars have the IAT integrated in the maf, the afr is all from the tune
@@CorruptInfinityOfficial True! I didn't learn that until later.
Heat from the turbo was bound to give you issues there mate. Otherwise I like your videos keep working!
Thanks 👍 I found an aluminum cam cover which I'll install on the current engine build.
It was almost like you knew it was going to blow before that ride......
She was running good. Overlooked a small, but crucial part. The PCV setup. I've got her figure out no, so once it goes back together with forged internals, cams, springs, and the better manifold, she'll be a ripper.
turbo is blown!
Pcv needed a one way valve. The pcv hooks directly to the throttle body from the valve cover. So it was boosting the crankcase which caused this issue.
It's always something with the map sensor it gets annoying
Tell me about it!
Just a suggestion turn the volume on the music down and turn the music in the car off so we can hear what the car is doing
Thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated.
FAX
That o2 sensor is too close to the turbo. Should be 18" down the line.
That's the narrow band sensor. Wide band was about 36" away.
You should have never taken out the restriction from the turbo feed line. Where ever you read that the turbo feed line needs to be drilled out lied.
Depends.. journal bearing love lots of volume of oil, just not insane pressure. you really need to go no smaller than an an-12 for the drain and I think garrett specs an an-16 minimum - I am talking for a regular size garrett turbo the drain must flow a ton if it ever backs up the turbo seals take the hit
@@epoxeclipse he more than double the size of the restrictor size. The size that turbo came with is the size that needed. I’ve run many eBay junk turbos and lasted many 1000 miles. I sense went to borgwarner and called it a day.
@@sboyle8850 Depends on the oil feed source. You want max flow to a journal style with not too much pressure, but generally like 40psi is fine. Its possible he should have left the restrictor, but I just swapped turbos on my car and the factory setup had a restrictor and the aftermarket setup doesnt have a restrictor and everyone running the non restricted setup is doing fine.
The oil feed kit was a separate purchase. If you look down into the oil feed, it has a restrictor built in. With journal bearing turbos, you want as much oil in, and out as possible.The issue here is the PCV system. In a nutshell, I was boosting the crankcase causing oil to blow into the intake in front of the turbo. Oil feed and drain was fine. I drove it 2k miles tuning. It wasn't until I started getting into boost that the oil issue with the PCV happened. A one way check valve would have solved this issue. However, I decided 8lbs of boost wasn't enough, so I'm currently doing a full build. Forged pistons, beefier rods, cams, springs, larger turbo. Trying to set some world records for most hp, and fastest 1/4 for the Cruze.
@@cmattdabrat well if it's not your daily then world records here we go!
Interesting series of videos. I always thought it wouldn't be a good idea to put a turbo on an engine that wasn't designed for forced induction. I mean, engines that were designed for boost can obviously handle it, but naturally aspirated engines were not designed with boost in mind, right?
It's done all the time on many platforms. Many engines can handle .5 bar off boost no problem. But learning to tune it can be daunting. He probably should have studied up before he just started tuning on the fly. A couple videos ago he was pulling timing a little at a time. He should never have started the engine before he pulled a bunch of timing from the stock map. Just one example.
@@ichoozjc - Back in the day, my buddy purchased a non-turbo 300Z and tried to turn it into a turbo Z. The results were disastrous. I remember him saying that he thought his engine was the same as the factory turbo engine, minus the turbos of course. But it turns out the engines are very different and his non-turbo engine needed to be built to handle boost. Even the rods needed to be upgraded because the turbo engine rods were much more robust than what he had in his engine.
@@Japplesnap Many engines can handle a little boost. What was your buddy running? I have a na impala engine I supercharged and run 14-15 psi. Been solid for 6 years. Rods can handle moderate boost usually, but if you have a crap tune on it and get bad knock from too much timing or the wrong fuel then you're gonna chip pistons and bend rods. You just have to be smart about it.
It handled it just fine on the 8psi waste gate. I definitely studied up. Watched all of Goat Rope Garages videos, asked plenty of questions, hit up the HP Tuners forums. At some point, you gotta get out of the books, do some hands on tuning and learn from mistakes. I've definitely learned about more since then. Besides, the amount of enthusiasm you get from tuners when you say, "I need a tune for my 1.8 chevy cruze", isn't very high. lol Besides. I'm enjoying the learning process.
Lol. YT suggested one of these videos, looked at the progression in the titles through the timeline, it goes...
Installing turbo
Installing turbo
Installing intercooler
Tuning
Oh no! Something went wrong!
Tearing down engine..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yet you're watching the videos (Got 'em!). Stick around and I'll show you how to build an audience.
@@cmattdabrat no, watched some, laughed, and left this comment after I saw the progression of your "build" 😂😂😂😂😂
So I've been tuning with HP Tuners for quite some time and I might have a pretty solid tune that can have
a 2-step
(launch control), crackle tune, power tune for WOT , and fuel eco for cruising and low rpms if any one in comment list is interested in learning how to tune with hp tubers drop a like I'll be uploading a video sometime today on how to navigate the vcm scanner and editor if Matt hasn't done so already.
Nice! I won't be getting around to any HP Tuners tutorials until I have the engine in the car and start tuning it for all the mods.
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks bro!
Id rather you called it a Ebay turbo cause it sounds like its a failed Chevy problem. But im enjoying your project and that you don't call it a buil and only add on a cold air pipe. Your on it is there a video of a good power run?
Thanks Don! Not yet. I'm currently building up the engine to take as much power as I can throw at it safely. During this stage of the build, I was just going to install a turbo, run 8psi of boost and call it a day, but as you see I overlooked the PCV setup. So it had to come apart. Boost sure is addictive. I'll get some power runs, and drag times in the future once it's all finished.
That's a really bad vacuum leak
??? At what time?
That's what happens with cheap ebay turbos lol
LOL, nah. Improper PCV setup.
Even with your Turbo my Prius V will smoke your chevy !
Wanna race!?
I bought an aluminium valve cover off ebay, might be an option to prevent it melting and you'd be able to weld a crank vent fitting to it. shorturl.at/glpUV
I'm have to check it out. Did you install it? If so, how's it holding up to leaks? The link didn't work.
Matthew Chevalier haven’t installed it yet, had to remove some small casting leftovers and the coil plastic cover doesn’t fit great but the stock gasket fits fine! Will let you know once I install it
@@JoshVC Cool, sounds good. Also, repost the link if you don't mind.
@@cmattdabrat www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Valve-Cover-Camshaft-Rocker-Cover-For-1-8L-GM-Buick-Hideo-Chevrolet-Cruze/313112892487?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
That's exactly what's wrong with it...(eBay Turbo)
Just don't telling boostedboiz that lol
Injectors are too big... you need a better pcv system
Sorting out the PCV. Injector size was fine. Was actually starting to run out of injector on e85.
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love gun
Buys $113 turbo, shocked there's oil leaking past the seals.
More like, Buys $113 turbo, writes a click bait title, puts up click bait thumbnail, and wonders why people makes comments about oil seals and restrictors, when it's a PCV issue because people haven't watched the whole video(s) to even understand it's not oil seals, it's the PCV improperly setup. ;)
I don't care enough about junky cavaliers to waste my time watching an entire video on when I would never buy or own any ecoturd or any GM that wasn't a 3800 or an LS.
@@rxtuninginc8444 Good thing it's not a Cavalier. Well, if you're into 3800's, just remove two cylinders, and that's what you're looking at here. Iron block, aluminum head, vvt... I'm currently building it up to see what it'll do. Might change your mind on how you see a LS 1.8 NA being boosted. LS's are cool. My neighbor is building one for boost, as well as my brother. All stuff I'm sure I'll cover, or do a LS in the future with another car.
@@cmattdabrat oh. My. God. Are you actually naive enough to not know your Cruze is a cavalier? Cavalier was such a heap they wanted away from the name so they changed it to Cobalt...then Cruze... get your head out of the sand man.
@@cmattdabrat um no a 3800 is a V6 not an inline 4.... Nothing like it. The only reason I said 3800 is because its actually one of GMs good engines besides the V8 LS series. All other GM engines are heaps of trash.
Never buy turbos off EBay.
Nothing wrong with them.
Lmao tell that to the boostedboiz who have made WR passes on their mr2 on a ebay turbo before the record got broke again.
@@CorruptInfinityOfficial Exactly!!!
@@cmattdabrat Chinese junk!
@@BuckRogers20011 Nah
This is why we call eBay turbo setups turdos
LOL, I've named this car project turdbo...
@@cmattdabrat 🤣🤣🤣after watching some of the other videos I'd say thats a good name lol. I put twin turbo on my mustang.....and now im in the middle of waiting on a forged block to be delivered to me, because the old block is now cracked 🙃 lol
Get e real turbo. Not a faux for looks $113 turbo. That's good for putting on a shelf in a display cabinet in a car shop or garage to look cool not meant to really install on a car. You have bad turbo oil seals. Told u never run a 113 dollar turbo on a car. It's only for looks. Get a garrett.
It’s a a Chevy Cruze, my dude... none of this should be happening 😂
Oh, but it is...Currently taking Dodge SRT-8 donations. lol... sometimes you got to work with what ya' got.
Currently accepting Garrett GT35s. Nah. These days, the chinese turbos are just as good. Take a look at some comparison videos vs a real Garrett.
It's not bad seals. Look up Tim's Turbos on YT. Hell, you can even run it without seals, and no leaks will happen, unless you're not getting proper drainage. That's not the case here. What you're looking at is my lack of knowledge at the time of setting up the PCV properly. The PCV goes from the cam cover straight to the back of the throttle body. I was under the impression the stock PCV would close like a one way check valve, which isn't the case. Therefor it was boosting the crankcase, and sending oil through the cold side. This was a $20 fix with a one way check valve. But I'm glad I'm going to the extent of tearing the engine part to get a better understanding of how it ticks, because this next round, it'll be putting down enough power to make some muscle cars look funny. I'd love it if you stuck around to see the results and the longevity of these "fake turbos".
Doing all this to this horrible excuse of a car. I have a 2014 ltz RS an it's the worst car I've ever owned. These cars seem like they're specifically designed to break down constantly.
Mine is a LS. bought it used with 25k miles back in 2016. Currently has 122k miles. Zero issues.Just standard clutch replacement stuff. However, I can't leave cars alone for long without modifying them. I can't contest to the 1.4.
@@cmattdabrat well if you have the manual 1.8 you will have fewer problems. But I have an auto 1.4 and a car like this should be illegal to sell. I know a couple that have had them too an they had all the same problems but drove them more so their transmission went out also. My trans is starting to become shitty so its just a matter of time.
@@ianseiler8813 the M32 trans is very common. In millions of cars. GM release a second gen that fixes any issues. Larger bearings and improved oiling. I think I’ll be fine. These cars are so easy to work on.
@@cmattdabrat being easy to work on is one of the nice things about it. When my front bearings needed to be replaced the dealership wanted just over 1000 for parts an labor. I got both bearings sn hub assembly for about 120 an did it myself an it was super easy.
@@ianseiler8813 dealerships have a super high overhead! Anything you can do to fix it will save tons of cash. Glad you were able to sort it out yourself.