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CORRECTION: The game has sold 250,000+ copies not close to 1 million
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That makes more sense
Thanks MogulMail, you've inspired a very popular youtuber named Ludwig, he even copied your hairline (he copies everything.)
can there be a correction for 4:03 where you say its 7 to the 55th power when it was 7 times 10 to the 55th power
Absolutely insane that games which don't have gambling are punished for having 'gambling imagery' .... But games that are entirely dedicated to getting people addicted to loot box opening are considered OKAY.
Well, it sucks, but that's the rules.
@@qfsrucjcmlzoey nah mate, that's the issue. The people who made the rules aren't following it correctly. Screwing over smaller companies and creators and letting the larger ones through.
This game is not gambling.
Yup, especially gacha games like genshin as well. Streaming that should be considered the same thing as gambling if the games in the video do
@@qfsrucjcmlzoey this mindset is the issue. we used to allow people to just gun eachother down in a fair duel. "sucks but dats da rules!" rules change with time. the massive uptick in games with heavy gambling mechanics requires new rules which luckily is changing but the fact that "cards = gambling" but literal pay2win lottery systems arent is less of a rule and more of an oversight.
@@qfsrucjcmlzoeyWhat about the micro-transaction games that are literally gambling?
"he's a sick man" I have never been portrayed so accurately
lmao
All hadeez players have a sickness (source I am a hedeez player)
to be fair that run was sick
Never before did I think I'd see the day that Haelian would be featured in a Ludwig video
Here he is
Every AAA game out here using loot boxes and skin boxes, but a completely microtransaction free indie card game is a gambling game, go figure
THIS!!!!
right. cards (with zero monetary value) = gambling but lootboxes that cost money? not.
Most governments/economic systems on the planet allow for a stock market, study after study has proven that while skill does play a role, luck and persistence mean much more in the world of business, if you really really want to look at it, gambling is only ok today when its oked by the government, which makes no sense as they dont do anything to make it safer
@@newp0rtand short selling and stock market trades are totally something different as well
@@AnthemUnanthemed I saw a thing of warren buffet saying the modern stock market is closer to gambling then it ever has been before 😭😭😭😭😭
By this logic, Tabletop Simulator should be 18+ because one of the default tables is a poker table
There are also a TON of game that contain a poker minigame, such as RDR2, Far Cry 3, Dragon Quest 11, Tales of Vesperia, Super Mario 64 DS, Watch Dogs, etc. It's super common. They all teach the player REAL poker hands too, not Balatro's roguelike Joker stuff. Why haven't they been rated 18+?!
@@chet_awesomeladto be fair some of those games are not the most kid friendly in other aspects, but i get your point
@@chet_awesomelad A lot of these games are rated 18+ though (At least in Europe where the equivalent to ESRB M (17+) is Pegi 18+)
Don’t give them ideas
@@chet_awesomeladRDR2, Far Cry 3 and Watch Dogs are rated 18+ by PEGI
Poor LocalThunk. He made a masterpiece. I’ve played so much of this game since it dropped.
this.
I dont want to call my game of the year too early but I love it. Never thought I would live to see a better single player card game than solitare but here it is
I think the rating went back down
@@Someone-sc2hk I just grabbed a lightweight burner laptop to play it on the go. No regrets
As always corporations are more worried about the aesthetics of gambling and the bad press it brings, than actual gambling being pushed onto kids.
Yeah gacha games have no restrictions for children, but a single player card game is blamed for gambling😐
For real. As someone who really hates gambling and how it's permeated our culture even past casinos (how ridiculous sports betting has gotten) and how games skirt past it with addictive, restrictive games with freemium models and loot boxes, from trashy gachas to AAA games... Balatro looked like a well-thought out, awesome game when I saw NL play it, even tho I know I won't ever play it myself
case and point, cookie run
You hit the nail on the head
I call it Fake and Gay world. No one cares about substance anymore, only appearances.
Aesthetics are powerful. People are banning it because it just looks like cards and the appearance of banning gambling games is more important to them than any real rules or morals. It's insane.
Guess Microsoft shouldnt install Solitaire or any card games.
@@RandomAutistTRUE I FORGOT ABOUT THAT WTFF
"Rules for thee but not for me"
- Gacha and pack opening games probably
No rules for me because oh what's that envelope on the floor I think you dropped it mr. regulator
Definitely absurd given how you can spend over $100 and still not get a wanted character in star rail. Pegi 12 btw.
That’s not what’s going on though. It got removed due to the age rating change.
I swear I used to play a literal poker minigame in Mario Party DS, it's crazy to me that this is happening
yeah there’s a DS card that’s only casino games with Luigi as the dealer.
i mean almost every japanese rpg game had gambling. ff has the golden saucer. dragon quest has its casino in every game even 11. pokemon had one. and all these in game casinos had slots, card games, etc and were required to get certain items so u couldnt avoid them.
Did you turn out to be a destructive, compulsive gambler? Is your life absolutely ruined because you saw those poker cards on your Nintendo DS? I know mine was. I spent nine years in prison for brutally assaulting a man just because his name was Luigi. I live in a sewage channel and I'm in constant danger of being washed away when they open the floodgates.
It's Mario 64 DS
@@GlobeStanthe poker mini game was actually in both mario 64 ds and new super mario bros ds
The hypocrisy of gaming regulations is mind-blowing.
Balatro is a gem that deserves recognition, not censorship.
Same cant be said for you. Ironic you wish indie developers to be recognized when you are one of the people who dont allow small creators to succeed and show that you can devalue years of hardwork by buying channels
I believe Balatro should succeed and become well known, but its also hypocritical of you to comment when you are in the same category as bots, spammers, and scammers, hence devaluing your authenticity
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@@blitzboy2934 Yeah, fr
@blitzboy2934 x here has 6 million subscribers with 4 videos amassing less than 1 million views. Pretty sure doal is upset that they bought a channel just to delete all of its past content, thus getting rid of all the work put into the channel previously. Or implying that the account was botted to 6 mill or something idk I'm just a girl scrolling through CZcams comments. 🤷♀️
@@kannaharuka Its bought obviously. They abused the checkmark to trick people that they are a famous CZcamsr when they are literal nobodies
When northernlion first played this he hit the end of the demo and the dev gave him a key for an unlimited demo and after a couple hours the dev asked NL to stop playing it because the chat was too hype and he didn't want the game to get overhyped. Now that it's out, we know that there was no overhype, the game is just fantastic. Hope this gets resolved.
okay that's cool as hell. Good on you Balatro dev
Northernlion the indie game goat
ALIENSROCK MENTIONED LETS GO
The goat
ThePrimeagen mentioned?
aliensrock my goat
Aliens sure do rock!
tyler fans rise up
Ngl learning Ludwig also watched Aliensrock was a pleasant surprise. Dude's underrated
fr tho, i love watching aliensrock its where i first heard of balatro
Haven’t watched that guy since I was into Bloons 😂😂 glad hes still around
Was waiting for this comment 😂
fun fact, when aliensrock had close to 100k, Ludwig encouraged him to get editors and helped him a lot with learning how CZcams worked, very cool
@@jarvalicious4908he's done lots of cool and interesting puzzle games the past few years, and if you like that definitely go through his playlists
4:00 correction: 7e55 is not the same as 7^55, it is 7*(10^55) which is orders of magnitude larger
think "XeY, where 'X' is the last digit in a number with 'Y' number of digits", so 7e55 would be 7 followed by 55 zeroes
seventy septendecillion
I was looking for this comment lol. I knew I couldn’t be the first to recognize it
“e” is just shorthand for the “ x10^ “ in scientific notation
So it's basically a notation thing, then?
"e" means X*(10^Y), and "^" indicates that it's just X^Y? (Sorry, I suck at formatting... and math.)
@@bilbobaggins9167 Yes it's basically just notation X^Y is just X to the power Y whereas XeY is X * 10 to the power Y, its needed a lot in science where you can be working with like particle numbers or pressure for instance and you can end up with a lot of very high (or very low numbers)
As someone living in the Netherlands I get mad about this every other week. We have anti gambling laws that I - in theory - agree with, but in practice are absolutely terrible. I can't buy loot boxes in the MMO I play (which is fair enough), but I can still buy Fifa card packs. I can't get some of the FREE loot boxes in the same MMO, but I can buy Apex item packs and was able to buy Overwatch Lootboxes before they stopped existing. To make a long story short, most anti-gambling laws seem to exist purely to make companies bribe countries into allowing their game, which is why large games still exist and small games get screwed over.
antigambling laws are so strict where i live that we have banned TWITCH PREDICTIONS and GTA5 FREE CASINO SPIN (and other casino games)
quite... outlandish, and im from europe
@alexo_pog twitch predictions uses chat points... you can earn more chat points if you are subscribed... so yes. It's gambling. However, you can't take money back.
The fact that in game app purchase Lootbox's or CSGO crates are acceptable to record and upload but Baltro isnt acceptable and allowed is absurd
The stupidity of the story is that lootboxs or case opening streams don't get taken down for gambling, streamers doing CS websites where you gamble don't get taken down
meanwhile CCGs like Hearthstone are totally allowed to get people to spend thousands per year on their game that is "for all ages"
I had no idea Luck be a Landlord faced these issues too. There are ZERO elements of gambling in Luck be a Landlord, there's barely even random chance. What, are literally all games ever going to be banned now then? Most infuriating is that Google isn't touching the shifty knockoffs with micro-transactions and monetization beyond sticker price. Man this just ruined my morning mood.
It’s only about games that look like they have gambling not actual gambling (although there is quite a bunch of random chance in the form of rarity/symbol/item choices, it’s essential to the game and so it is perfectly acceptable but it is definitely there)
Both Balatro and Northernlion mentioned, perhaps this is the best Mogul Mail video that will ever be made.
LUDWIG WATCHES ALIENSROCK
Super Mario Bro DS has literal poker on it. That gambled got in game coins. And it’s E for everyone
Nintendo's hands are also rated E for Everyone, so no doubt the people behind rating games e/18+ would let Nintendo slide if they dared rated it 18.
most Pokemon games have a literal casino in them too
@@danielkaniewski727this is actually why remakes of old games don’t have game corners anymore. Even virtual console releases of old games have had their ratings increased in some areas because of game corners and some versions of the game have them removed entirely.
They’re going after Balataro because they can. Any game that actually promotes gambling like CS cases or FIFA packs arent getting hit because they’re too big.
Battlefront 2 was the huge takedown along with Overwatch loot boxes then it just sputtered to a halt.
What people need to remember, most regulators have never played video games and don't know that much about them.
They see playing cards and green table, and they either think Solitaire or Poker, and thus, banned.
Funnily enough, these same regulators have no issue for providing loopholes and amnisty for large companies like casinos, gacha games, betting clubs, etc...
I love how Ludwig loves Aliensrock, my favorite youtuber as well
This just goes to show how lootboxes or gachas were never meant to be allowed by supervisors, but their cutesy unassuming looks are so unfamiliar to those people so they don't get banned. As soon as the look matches classic gambling (even if the content itself isn't it) they kick into alert mode.
Personally I have a hard time believing it's just naive ignorance. I'm assuming the payment models that games feature are considered by supervisors and even the most cursory glance can show you which ones are actually gambling.
Lawmakers are old farts that are out of touch.
Actually so happy to see ludwig call balatro his favorite game ive played the fuck out of the demos leading up to release and I'm so glad its getting the recognition it deserves
Such a shame. Been having so much fun playing Balatro. The dev deserves all the love and I hope this gets fixed ASAP
My man Haelian made it on Mogul Mail and its a good thing, we eating good today.
Was cool to see that! Haelian and his flavor of the month rougelike is my comfort food :)
I've got into so many games because of him (including Balatro!)
This is a similar thing that got the game corners removed in pokemon games from gen 5 onward (gen 4 if you're european). But there it's more just straight up a simulated slot machine where you bet your own in game currency. But i dont think balatro even has you betting fake money on the poker stuff. The money is all spent on luck modifiers basically. It's not gambling as much as it is just a way more indepth coin flip. The worst thing you could argue is that it kinda teaches you some blackjack stuff. It's actually less bad than the luigi casino minigames on the ds
even still, that means that ANY fake game currency falls under that, you get random items from enemies in terraria, you get random abilities in games like hades and roboquest, so those all could be considered gambling then? fake currency is EVERYTHING because counting is EVERYTHING. if it aint real money it aint gambling.
@drewdadew This ingame currency can't be traded into real money, but some MMO currency/item can be traded into real money.
The difference is huge. in the cases where real money can be traded, people would make mass bot farms, there are lawsuits about rigged loot boxes.
I think it is fair for anti gambling law to restrict games in some cases.
At the very least, games where ingame currency can be directly bought by real money need a tool to protect the users.
A card game is only gambling if you bet on it. Otherwise its just a card game.
You’ve got to be shitting me. I was literally waiting on my paycheck to snag this game and play the hell out of it. Damn, I really hope this gets resolved, because I now have money for the dev and I wanna throw it at him! 😢
Same thing happened to 'Luck Be a Landlord,' which is a roguelike with a slots aesthetic that came out last year. No actual gambling involved, but banned from google play in 13 countries.
Luck Be a Landlord came out way later than last year. I think it's been on Steam for like three years now.
i love that ludwig knows about Aliensrock, Aliensrock is truly the best youtuber ever. Also love the Haelian mention, he truly is amazing! Also i love balatro currently, i hope it goes back to 3+ soon!
Did people forget you can literally just play cards? I was in middle school playing Euchre and Blackjack with teachers cause I got dropped off early for candy. 36yrs old, don't gamble at all, don't play scratchers, etc. Why are people so weird.
4:02 that’s 7.019 times 10^55, a number that is about 2 billion times larger than 7.019^55
Also for reference, looked up an estimate of how many atoms is the Earth made up of and the score this gamer managed to get is around 1,000,000 times bigger. Crazy
This number is 70190000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 btw 👍
Balatro is my favorite game this year and one of my favorite games ever. And it was made by 1 guy. And has no gambling in it. This is ridiculous. Thanks for covering this on your huge platform, Ludwig. Hope this gets resolved soon :/
Daily Reminder that the ESRB is entirely managed by the video game industry (AKA the industry making the actual gambling games for children)
Tbf it wasn’t the esrb that did it, they don’t have a +3 rating. It was the discount esrb pegi
ESRB is a North American game content rating, and Balatro is rated E 10+ ESRB rating and is on the Nintendo eShop and others in NA.
The issue is outside of NA such as it's18+ PEGI rating in EU. I don't think Ludwig made that clear enough because I was shocked enough to look.
Another ridiculous thing is Vegas Party has a PEGI 12 rating and is in the EU Nintendo eShop (It has a ESRB Teen rating). That's an extremely inconsistent enforcement of the ‘contains prominent gambling imagery and material that instructs about gambling’ restriction. But ESRB is based in this case.
Hopefully that means PEGI and others will change.
Nintendo taught an entire of generation of kids to gamble on Mario DS being dealt hands by Luigi. The irony of taking this off their stores lmao.
The craziest thing is that most pokemon games have literal casinos in them and no one bats an eye at those
Pokémon stopped having casinos a long time ago specifically because of this problem too !
Iirc gen 2 was the last one with a real casino you could enter that had mini games active...
just checked the age rating in Germany - 12+ for ... violence?
wtf.
Uck be Landlord has one of the best, most innovative UI's I have seen in the last few years, it honestly blew my mind and it has concepts every single game should copy. Sucks to hear they are getting screwed over.
I really think it is beyond time to regulate and update gambling laws, if not across the whole world then at least in the US.
i was looking into it because of a recent positive video i saw of it but i never even got to play! hope the issues are resolved soon and the dev gets the credit he deserves 😭
100% agree. It is egregious that this has happened while card games like Eternal and Magic Arena are 13+
When Gatcha Games are Gambling in Anime Fashion,but was praise and rakes all the addicts,
But a game looks like a Gambling game but its not was ban because of the "Concept"/looks of gambling.
This worlds is all backwards.
Laws are never about the right thing.
Balatro getting flagged for gambling is the same as doing Minecraft Speedruns since it’s dependant on luck which seed you get😂 Ridiculous…
Check out the game, "Dungeons and Degenerate Gamblers". It's a blackjack based roguelike that id not at all based on gambling, there is no real money involved, and it's super fun. The full game releases this year, I wonder if it'll also get banned in various countries.
If this one got banned, that onen will likely get hit too, it is "blackjack" so it is evil gambling. Sucks so much.
Love this game. Played the multiple demos. I hope things get figured out.
also in poker you cant discard cards over and over to choose which cards to play. the only thing that balatro takes from poker is the scoring system. its like if a game decided to count their score the same way as football or basketball. but it has completly different gameplay.
σ(￣、￣〃) *IF* balatro is being removed why is hoyoverse allowed
•honkai impact
•honkai starrail
•genshin impact
Where's the consistency
Neither balatro nor hoyoverse break the law by having gambling imagery and actual gambling. Neither should be banned.
Only money I've ever spent on loot boxes was when I was around 13 on Overwatch. I spent like $300 on my mom's credit card hoping she wouldn't notice... This was right after my dad died of cancer and my mom was drinking an entire bottle of wine (if not more) every night. I of course felt very ashamed of it afterwards and have done nothing of the sort in the past 6 or so years.
damn i did not expect ludwig to talk about balatro and aliensrock. good shit
Fortunately this doesn't effect my gaming grindset.
Hour 1: I play CS2 until I get a lootbox drop that i can gamble for real money with on 3rd party sites.
Hour 2: I log into my Roblox account, buying and selling various items for robux on the marketplace, trading the sold goods for real money.
Hour 3: I do my daily missions in Genshin impact, obtaining enough primogems to finally roll a 10 pull for the newest 5 star. I get nothing.
Hour 4: I take a lunch break and head out to my favorite bistro. I always order their special of the day. Today it was Tomato soup.
Hour 5: I log into Magic The Gathering: Arena and play an event where I wager premium currency that I get back if I win enough games. I draw poorly and lose my money.
Hour 6: I log into my WoW account which I left AFK to farm gold using a bot. I use a third party site to sell that gold for real money.
Hour 7: I boot up Warframe to run a few missions and hope to get lucky with prime part drops. I sell the parts for platinum and turn it into real money using a third party site.
Hour 8: I head over to the nearby casino. I don't gamble. They just have a really good restaurant inside.
after hearing that aliensrock is one of your favorite youtubers, i would love to see a bro vs bro against aliensrock, but the twist is they are just different puzzle games
I've been playing this game since they released a beta (or alpha idk) version last summer and I fell in love. As soon as the last demo came out I was telling all of my friends about it and streamed it on launch day. Hearing this news makes me so sad knowing less people will be able to experience this and that the dev now has to suffer. Thank you for making a video about it
Really happy your talking about this. I had no idea and am extremely sorry to hear this, it’s an amazing game! Also, really cool your also a huge fan of aliensrock, hes one of my favs :)
Banning Balatro/LBAL without banning loot boxes and the like is crazy
Game is so good hope the dev can still be successful after the issues
Perfect publicity boost, without being a stunt from the dev, can't get any better
You say that like the dev isn't already incredibly successful. The game sold like 250,000 units in it's first three days. At 15 dollars a copy, that's nearly 4 million bucks. Even after all the storefronts and publishers take their cut, the still millions of dollars earned. That's more money than most indie devs can ever hope of seeing, all earned by one dude in half a week. Assuming this gets resolved in a reasonable amount of time, this won't be anything but a minor speedbump in this game's success.
@@RSFArocks Free press. People who gamble LOVE banned gambling outlets. People who play 15$ great games LOVE roguelikes that hit the right nerve. Let's be real.
Trying to kill it makes it stronger.
Crazy that Go Fish has the same gambling imagery. Does that mean Spy Fox should be banned in those countries? A literal kids game
Was not expecting a Balatro video from Ludwig, this is awesome!
bro i was watching the member stream last night and thats crazy
I think the first 4 generations of pokemon games all had some form of a casino in it with the first 3 having full on slots. Why weren't those rated 18+ for "encouraging gambling"?
This is clearly an abuse of power by the ratings boards for some reason and thankfully the community is seeing right through it.
The reason they stopped having game corner is because EU changed laws and was gonna make Pokemon age rated, so they had to remove game corner from international releases of some gen 4 titles.
Honestly glad you made a video about this I never would have found this game and it looks like a game I would love to
I’ve been tracking balatro for several months before it came out. Playing the demo’s and watching creator play through’s. I don’t understand how they haven’t thought about this earlier and I really hope this gets fixed cause it’s been one of the only video games that I’ve I’ve actively followed and spent any amount of time playing. Really cool to see lud playing it and it getting the love it deserves.
Did hee say random boom? 💀
Haelian is a great dude. He plays tons of roguelites and is chill.
Power ups in Hades are called "boons" if I recall correctly
Credit to Speed, that Sterling impression was spot on
First 20 seconds, “I don’t know about a lot of things” got me hooked
absolutely unbelievable that the publisher already had to get the rating changed, only for the ratings board to go back on their decision and for what?!!
Didnt know balatro till now, banger of a game shame they taken down the game cuz of a misunderstanding of what gambling is and luck based roguelike game
Isn't that QT's Boyfriend
this is such an awesome crossover, i never thought i'd see haelian in a ludwig video
Bought it yesterday, alr. 12 hours in.
I think this is the perfect balance between "learn how to gamba+" and "don't lose anything".
Game is lovely.
There is a good reason mogul mail is a journalism major and not a math major 4:03
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to point out shitty practices hurting small devs while the big boys get a free pass while being 10x worse
This is a trip to see as someone with a ton of hours in luck be a landlord and just was playing balatro for my first time today. Had no idea abt any of this
I like it more when you cover stuff like this more than twitch/streamer drama
Amazing video as always! Crazy situation. I don't really understand the game very much but I enjoyed the content. It's always the great games this happens to.
Yep waited for a mogul mail for this one
WAIT LUD WATCHES ALIENSROCK??? I love that dude, so glad to see another fan of his, especially one so big. It makes me so excited to know this.
“this guy” YO THATS HAELIAN i used to watch him when i was getting really into the mechanics of Hades he does a lot of sick roguelike content
Always a blessed day when Ludwig shows his love for NL.
2:22 omg odd eye circle reference
Thank you for this video. Balatro is a master class of video game making and it's absurd that they'd have to even deal with this. Thank you for drawing attention to the problem
This is how I find out my new favorite game is banned? Sadge.
huge aliensrock shoutout i watch tylers videos every day they come out.
Hope this gets resolved, it’s an incredible game and worth everyone to try out as a roguelike!
Wild to hear you bring up aliensrock, love his content.
Damn Ludwig I love the Haelian and aliensrock shout outs
It's easier to make an example out of a defenseless dev to appear as if you care about gambling than to actually try to fight EPIC or Blizzard or whoever.
Love the aliensrock shoutout ❤️ super underrated youtuber
The aliensrock shoutout is crazy (I love him)
Fun fact: old board games usually shipped with spinners or other rng devices because the mere use of dice in game mechanics was considered by some to be conductive to gambling
thank you for making this
even poker isn't necessarily gambling, it's a fucking card game
you can gamble on everything, like a coin toss
“if you’ve never played a roguelike, well, its like every roguelike”
Ludwig knowing Aliens Rock is a combination of worlds i never expected
i played the demo, this game is great. glad to see you talking about it honestly
Absolutely addicted to this game the last week, so good
I think it is the visualization of gambling, the cards are what you would see at casino, slot machine is not far off from a casino model. If they kept the same math but switch everythings name and visuals, i wonder if they would have the same success.
All I know about balatro is NL plays it more than SAP now and theres one ad that says you can get a royal flush full house or something