I am a bit late here. For those of you thinking the RD-9 kick sounds less impressive you need to watch some other comparison videos. The kick tuning is way out on this video, and others. There are videos about now that are far more analytical and show its is literally no different. I get mine today!
I think the slew rate of the older op-amps in the 909 is probably one of the main sources of difference in sound. It might be instructive to try a touch of low-pass filter on the RD 9 with a bit of resonance too. I don't have one so I can't play with it, but a slower slew rate would act kinda-sorta like a lowpass filter.
Got mine for a few weeks now and after years of using samples from the OG's, I'm glad I bought it. It's a great drum machine and it does sound like the samples I used in the past. Even if it didn't sound like a 909, it would still be an awesome machine.
RD9 sounds like a great homage to the original. Ordered mine and can’t wait to rip those sounds to shreds. If you’re looking for the original, use samples.
Great video, really enjoyed it! I don't think you did the RD-9 justice on the kick though. I've been listening on studio monitors and a subwoofer and there is a definite jump in levels where the TR 909 is much louder, especially on the kick (which is not dialed in). Also, looks like you're in "enhanced mode", the RD-9 kick is punchier in enhanced mode but the character of the low end changes. My RD-9 sounds closer to your TR 909 in the "non enhanced" mode. I ran the kick through a UAD API vision strip with preamp gain and an eq boost at 3k, it came very close to the TR-909 in your video. The body of the kick was there, but the Roland has more noise on top and the Tune knob seems to have more range than the RD-9's. The other sounds are basically the same, except for the Toms which I actually prefer on the RD-9. You can't forget the fact that the behringer is $349 while the TR 909 is a $4k collector item. The Behringer just makes sense in 2022.
FWIW my OG 909´s BD doesn’t sound like in this video. I noticed he’s got a mono cable going out of the stereo mix and it sounds kinda distorted. Some weird gain staging going on imo. Still gives you an idea of the overall characteristic differences but this is far from a scientific test..
i agree, at 8:23 where the RD9 kik is being dialled in, all you can hear is transient and no body, after replaying it a few times and comparing it to other review videos, my guess is the pitch knob needs to be at noon and not all the way to the left. As he sweeps through the pitch you can hear all the body come back for a moment before he puts it back all the way left. Shame as the most important sound of the 909 is the kik! Anyway, i'm in for one of these! Very affordable too.
I just got my RD-9 the Monday after Christmas without pre ordering. I think it sounds good for what it is. Yes it might sound a little different from the original, but it still does the job. Every comparison video out there only shows the single output on it being played. I actually connected all the outputs to my 32x8 mixer and it slaps. I loaded original 909 samples into my Akai MPC and mixed them also in my mixer and it sounded basically the same. You wouldn't know the difference in the mix. As soon as they are available again, I'm planning to order 2 more and leave them in the box just because I could.
I wish the graphics had more orange and a better, less blue-colored grey on the front panel, so that it matched the original 909 and 707. Otherwise, I'm very happy with my new RD9. I may make a custom face-plate for it,
Behringer really dropped the ball on the BD and toms, I'm sad to say. It sounds like they're based on a simple sine wave, whereas the 909 had a lot more tonal complexity that really sold the illusion of air being shifted. The mono output of the RD-9 is annoying, too. The original 909 was being sold to pro musicians who would likely have access to sub-mixers, but the semi-pro users the RD-9 is aimed at are less likely to have enough spare channels for the individual drum outs - particularly in a live rig. I miss my old 909, but I'll have to take a rain check on the Behringer - that bass drum just doesn't pass muster.
You can definitely get a killer 909 bass drum out of the RD9. I run it hot direct into a mixer and it sounds fantastic. The added pitch depth and pitch knobs make for a nice change in the character of the kick. I will say that it is harder to achieve a good tone, but with a bit of fine tuning it is as good as anything I’ve heard from the original.
If you only plan to use the drum machine as is, stock out of the box, then you are probably right. For the rest of us, hardware and software processing will make that baby hit hard!
Its 300 euros... not that roland was much much more as it had equal price almost as an mc707 nowdays when it came out ...but anw again for 2022 an analogue with individual multiple outs clone at 300 euros. Interesting.tho i wouldnt say is a direct clone. It has some stupid drumbrute mojo from time to time going on. But maybe is my ears getting old
Sounds much closer when it’s in classic mode not enhanced mode………I have a 909 and Rd9 obviously the 909 has a bit more body but they did a hell of a job also playing with the accent gives the rd9 more balls. I actually don’t like enhanced mode except for the hats.
People always seem to forget that they probably NEVER heard a new TR909 straight out of the box. Do they know how that sounds? It's the same with the TB303's. The aging factor is a BAD thing . People often totally dissapointed because the unavoidable component upgrades didn't 'sound the same', and then they sold the unit, bought a new (!) clone, and they themselves couldn't hear the difference anymore after a day of playing. I wonder why that is ? -> The brain fools you more then the sound of the machines.
It think it has more to do with how 909 evolved, there was at least three different revisions of kick drum. This particular unit probably has later "thunderous" one which is well known from techno. Earlier had softer sound almost 808 like, and actually it is well known many prefer that early tone when selecting unit. So we have no idea which one Behringer cloned, add that enhanced mode makes comparing even more harder. Some comparison kick is nowhere near but some has nailed it. My bet is they cloned early unit with softer kick.
They sound close enough really a lot of the difference is nothing EQ couldn't help closing the gap a bit more, original beefier and less top, both good I can just listen to them on their own and like the sound all the more for not sounding like a real drum kit.
It seams strange to me that the kick/bass drum sounds so lacking in intensity and quality relative to the original. As a connoisseur of the electronic genre of hard techno over many years, I’ve always understood the value of the kick of the 909 to be revolutionary and if the RD9 misses the beat here, I don’t see much value. If one were strictly focused on their music and, like me, wants that raw, hard kick drum, I might suggest something else (possibly software) to generate that bass. However, my experience with RD9 is limited and I imagine CZcams videos offer an unfair representation. I hope I’m incorrect, but right now, I’m thinking ‘no go’ on the RD9.
See the comment from Deep Synths above. This wasn't a true A/B comparison. The tester had the RD-9 in an "enhanced" mode which changes the character of the sounds--especially the kick.
I've got an RD-9 and using it for techno and can confirm it definitely has the classic 909 sound when tweaked and processed as you would any sample. I use it in the classic mode which is much more similar to the original, I find it funny how people judge it on a compressed CZcams video
If you've got the OG version (Roland Tr-909) lucky for you guy's but if your trying to gauge a 1 to 1 comparison ..of course there's gonna be a slight difference, no 2 vintage synth's (analog) ,vintage drum machines (analog) sound exactly the same! However, like it or not the RD-9 has got that 909 vibe, (it's great for some folks) especially if you've been using samples, or don't really wanna take your OG on the road etc.. ! For some they just cannot afford today's 909 asking prices! (I wasn't sure at first but try it,you'll be surprise! ) Btw Big up Alamo :) 🎹
Nice comparison. It definitely doesn’t capture the 909 as well as I’d hoped. Something about the “laser” type envelope on the kick and snare. It’s like the Behringer has a weaker kick, and too beefy snare. It’s still cool, and I’d use one, but this is a great example of these things not holding up side by side
This is the first comparison video I've seen between a vintage analog machine and a modern clone where I could actually hear an obvious difference in overall sound. People always compare the roland boutique synths to the origionals and I can almost never tell the difference. The JX-08 V.S. the JX8P for example. I can't hear any difference at all as hard as I try, at least when listening through CZcams. But I can safely say when comparing this clone to the origional 909 I can ACTUALLY hear how the analog machine has real magic that is very obviouse. Thanks for doing the comparison. I'd like to here the Roland Boutique version of this too.
The RD9 is analog, and as multiple other people have pointed out- this is a terrible comparison video because they're not tuned the same and he has the compressor on the whole time for the RD9.
Like it or not the 909 sounds (and looks!) waaay better. If you don’t have the money for an OG I’d go with the tr09 instead of the rd9 which at least is a Roland product and also sounds real good.
czcams.com/video/aQ6pbHFH57A/video.html This link to video comparison is reality. the above video by alamo is so badly done i cannot even find the words
I'll always regret not picking up an 808 or 909 when the house/techno producer who lived downstairs from me got Rebirth and Reason and decided hardware was obsolete. I could have picked up either for $600 USD. Which was still a chunk of money at the time. But I already had an Alesis HR16b, why would I want a 2nd drum machine? (And he had already sold his Jupiter) PS I'm sorry you lost all credibility when you said Roland did a great job with ACB. When the Boutique line came out I mistakenly thought they were analog. So was excited to hear them. I got to check them out soon after the release and I could easily hear that they were digital emulation, even with my battered old ears.
i have a 90 since almost 20 years... i also have a modded nava wich is amazing... i just got the rd-9 and let me tell you it sound like a 909 period.... the thing is you anyway rout the outs thru a US mackie or something that adds color... i use some pedals and a 16 channel us build mackie... it sounds like a 909 for like 300 bucks. seal the deal if u ask me... nobody is using a 909 stereo out and yes you add some body here and there but most important its the same kind of fun and the sync is quite good... a no brainer for that money
People are shitting on a machine that’s a year old vs one that’s decades old. You sound exactly like the haters back then when the tr909 was first released.
FYI, I got my 909 when it was first released, and loved it. That's why I have to take a rain check on the RD-9 - it just doesn't capture the sound of the 909. By the way, I'm not a Behringer hater either: I love my System 100.
There are more harmonics and some compression. Call it saturation if you like, I’m wondering if it is age or just something that has to do with the output . Do the same to the behringer, would it be as different? I have the rd 9, think I’ll give it a shot. With that being said as always nothing beats the real thing.
@@lownrgy I don’t disagree but what I’m wondering is how close the rd 9 would be with some saturation. Also I have heard other videos where they are closer. None the less I never expect the clones to be the same. Prophet 5 vs prophet 5rev 4, they are close but the reissue does not sound exactly the same and that was made by the original inventor with some parts being NOS.
The RD9 to me, vibe wise, is much like their 303 clone. The sounds themselves are reasonably close. They just don’t groove like the original. My 303 clone is cool and all that, but the timing is off. I mean, for the money, they’re great and I’m not here to be down on the Behringer. It’s more of an observation. The feeling that you’re playing something really special is not there. But, you can have a lot of fun with them and good music is good music, and that’s the main thing.
This is not a careful nor useful comparison of the kick. Wildly twisting the knobs in the RD-9's Enhanced Mode is going to make it sound nothing like the 909. However, switching the unit to authentic mode, it's extremely close to be indistinguishable in a blind test. Careful adjustment of the knobs in Enhanced Mode results in some extremely powerful kicks.
Definitely is not a perfect comparison but I can assure you from playing the two in person, even in person, they do not have a lot of overlap. Now, I’m not going to say that is a bad thing. The RD9 is a lot cleaner sounding and you get added functionality in non-authentic mode and you don’t have to send $5-8k for an OG. Additionally, who is to say our tr909 is truly indicative of the 909 sound? The problem is there were 3 revisions of the OG 909, not sure which this unit is, but which is the rd9 based on? As with many of the behringer clones, there is a fundamental cleaner, brighter tone to the instruments. They are less quirky and not aged, which depending on an individual’s taste, can be a good or bad thing - I’m all for them in general as they give the vibe and feeling of the OG’s despite any differences. Just by 2 cents.
Levels are not matched and the original is being slightly over driven. I don't own an RD-9 but if he matched the levels properly with some metering and cranked it up a bit. I'm pretty sure if would sound a lot closer.
@@ogasi1798 great demo! Thanks for sharing. I’ll go back and do a more careful comparison because I’m genuinely curious. It appears from some of your comments on other videos that you worked on the design of the RD9 in some capacity - any insight as to which revision of the TR909 the RD9 is based on?
I think anyone that owns a 909 is probably looking at envy at the hi-hats tuning and some modern UI implementation or functionality and that's it. That said, if you have a rev2 909 with correct hi-hat tuning, you dont really need it to be different anyway. The rest is gonna do a job for the price, but i think it's pretty clear now that it's a missed opportunity for Behringer in terms of accuracy, but not for profit. They will sell millions of these and the world will be full of inferior sounding 909's for it. We wont be seeing any working examples of these in 30 years, thats for sure. Bang for the money? DEFO! Worth the price? DEFO! Just use sampled kicks and snares though instead :)
I'm happy to see there are now so many comparison videos out showing that I was right all along and this sounds only vaguely like a 909 and is not 'a real 909 for a couple of hundred bucks' as the Behringer fanboys have been yelling from the rooftops. Nope, it's a cheap knockoff, and a poor one at that. TR-09 is way closer than this...it wouldn't be a bad thing for them to be different if this was just an 'inspired by' homage, but when you are blatantly knocking off gear in such a trashy way then it's nice to see them fall flat on their face.
ok maybe listen to a real comparison? czcams.com/video/aQ6pbHFH57A/video.html this alamo video above is a cock up so - at least this guy in my link knows both machines....night and day difference to the above balls up - rd9 is being played at velocity of 63 in the above for a start.
@@ogasi1798 OK I did. They don't sound the same in that video either. What are you deaf? I'm listening through a phone here and can here the difference.
I think I like the sounds of the RD-9 more... although the classic sounds of the TR-909 are great, they've been used so often over the years that they kind of come across as dated. With electronic drum machines, I prefer something that sounds fresh and new.
The pattern is so stupid you can barely tell lol😂 but the originals will always win but is it good enough to keep? Got the rd9 on Black Friday,work flow?Way better than 909,the sounds? Meh something is off. The swing is close but no cigar . So return? I can fix with the external outs but there might be better clones but not for $320! 😮I can’t decide
As we can clearly see and hear, the kick drum is absolutely different. Sad... Everything after that is a sad story... How some can actually say they sound the same? The fake one sounds so thin, lacking punch, oh boy...
Whiner. It’s not meant to be a one to one replace,ent. I’ve owned the original 909 20 years ago and this one sounds even better to me and different. Thus is a winner. All these talking heads on YT just wasting people time to put down an awesome drum machine is just pure pathetic. D8nt you have better things to do.
Do you really think that Roland was not capable to put a “tune” on the hihat back in the 80’s if they think it was really necessary? Buy yourself an akai 900/1000 for a couple of dollars and sample the real TR, even that sounds better. RD 9 is a joke …
Dear Behringer, this instrument is unplayable, i much apreciate the "wave designer", but if you dont have space to respect the original distance between the knobs, drop these "nu" feartures for more real estate to the original functions. it's impossible to jam and use the knobs for muting instruments, A la original TR909 every time you're doing a live act and jam by fadding instruments it's almost impossible to do it without touching the adjacent knobs. my honest sugestion, in case you "HEAR US" is that you offer some kind of replacement knobs, or at least for the cost of manufacturing, only a set per rd-9 serial number maybe, i dont know. These knobs, as they grow tall, they should be slimmer on the tops of the knobs making it so there is more space between them where you grab them. is it awesome for such affordable clone? of course yes... but if it's impossible to do a propper live jam without touching other knobs, it makes the instrument as-a-full-clone worthless. i know, i can remove the tuning knobs before starting a set sure, but there's still the question of the HIGH TOM, RIM, CLAP volumes being way to close together.. ill probable commit myself to a mental hospital if you ever thing about making a "boutique" version... are the knobs going to be glued together hahahah :D it's almost impratical for us, end users to manufacture such knobs without wasting a TON of money, so please behringer, fix this. Im posting this comment in every rd-9 video in hope someone from behringer reaches out, if you're the owner of this video and somewhat agree, pin it so there's more chances or someone from behringer to see this.
I am a bit late here. For those of you thinking the RD-9 kick sounds less impressive you need to watch some other comparison videos. The kick tuning is way out on this video, and others. There are videos about now that are far more analytical and show its is literally no different. I get mine today!
Yes my thoughts exactly, Idk wtf this dude was thinking when he " matched" those kicks 😂.
Yep, the volume levels weren't even close to being matched either. Not much use as a comparison video.
I think the slew rate of the older op-amps in the 909 is probably one of the main sources of difference in sound. It might be instructive to try a touch of low-pass filter on the RD 9 with a bit of resonance too. I don't have one so I can't play with it, but a slower slew rate would act kinda-sorta like a lowpass filter.
Gosh I wish I could still get my hands on a TR-909. The sound character is something else.
Plugins. Everything from RB-338 to the Roland 909 plugin and some really good ones in between.
It was magical back in the 90s, when I had it. Today I'd rather have the RD-9.
Drumazon.
Glad I got mine when they were under $2,000 Canadian. If I recall, I think I paid $1,400 for mine.
To start with Schoolly D's 'PSK what does it mean' is just awesome!
Got mine for a few weeks now and after years of using samples from the OG's, I'm glad I bought it. It's a great drum machine and it does sound like the samples I used in the past. Even if it didn't sound like a 909, it would still be an awesome machine.
Cheers for your honest opinion.
Fun fact of the OG: the crash and ride are samples, everything else is analog.
RD9 sounds like a great homage to the original. Ordered mine and can’t wait to rip those sounds to shreds. If you’re looking for the original, use samples.
The Behringer is absolutely not a hommage to the Roland TR-909. It is just a cheap rip off copy that nothing has to do with the Roland.
5:43 being able to ratchet the hi hats is a great new feature
Haven't you got the RD9 compressor engaged throughout the whole demo??
Great video, really enjoyed it! I don't think you did the RD-9 justice on the kick though. I've been listening on studio monitors and a subwoofer and there is a definite jump in levels where the TR 909 is much louder, especially on the kick (which is not dialed in). Also, looks like you're in "enhanced mode", the RD-9 kick is punchier in enhanced mode but the character of the low end changes. My RD-9 sounds closer to your TR 909 in the "non enhanced" mode. I ran the kick through a UAD API vision strip with preamp gain and an eq boost at 3k, it came very close to the TR-909 in your video. The body of the kick was there, but the Roland has more noise on top and the Tune knob seems to have more range than the RD-9's. The other sounds are basically the same, except for the Toms which I actually prefer on the RD-9. You can't forget the fact that the behringer is $349 while the TR 909 is a $4k collector item. The Behringer just makes sense in 2022.
I thought the same about the RD9 kick, not dialed in properly. Great video though 🙂
FWIW my OG 909´s BD doesn’t sound like in this video. I noticed he’s got a mono cable going out of the stereo mix and it sounds kinda distorted. Some weird gain staging going on imo. Still gives you an idea of the overall characteristic differences but this is far from a scientific test..
i agree, at 8:23 where the RD9 kik is being dialled in, all you can hear is transient and no body, after replaying it a few times and comparing it to other review videos, my guess is the pitch knob needs to be at noon and not all the way to the left. As he sweeps through the pitch you can hear all the body come back for a moment before he puts it back all the way left. Shame as the most important sound of the 909 is the kik! Anyway, i'm in for one of these! Very affordable too.
I just got my RD-9 the Monday after Christmas without pre ordering. I think it sounds good for what it is. Yes it might sound a little different from the original, but it still does the job. Every comparison video out there only shows the single output on it being played. I actually connected all the outputs to my 32x8 mixer and it slaps. I loaded original 909 samples into my Akai MPC and mixed them also in my mixer and it sounded basically the same. You wouldn't know the difference in the mix. As soon as they are available again, I'm planning to order 2 more and leave them in the box just because I could.
I wish the graphics had more orange and a better, less blue-colored grey on the front panel, so that it matched the original 909 and 707. Otherwise, I'm very happy with my new RD9. I may make a custom face-plate for it,
You’re using the main out of the 909. Use the direct outs and many of the differences with the RD-9 disappear
if I took a heat gun or managed to corrode some of the circuits would I get some sikk vintage 909 moments
on the rd9 obvo
I got my self a tr-8s last Christmas which include the 909 samples but I will still buy the rd9 just for the looks.
0:10 lovin that Schoolly D🥁💪🏿 #PHILLY
Why didn’t you match the kick , or wouldn’t it get in the ball park ?
Behringer really dropped the ball on the BD and toms, I'm sad to say. It sounds like they're based on a simple sine wave, whereas the 909 had a lot more tonal complexity that really sold the illusion of air being shifted.
The mono output of the RD-9 is annoying, too. The original 909 was being sold to pro musicians who would likely have access to sub-mixers, but the semi-pro users the RD-9 is aimed at are less likely to have enough spare channels for the individual drum outs - particularly in a live rig.
I miss my old 909, but I'll have to take a rain check on the Behringer - that bass drum just doesn't pass muster.
You can definitely get a killer 909 bass drum out of the RD9. I run it hot direct into a mixer and it sounds fantastic. The added pitch depth and pitch knobs make for a nice change in the character of the kick. I will say that it is harder to achieve a good tone, but with a bit of fine tuning it is as good as anything I’ve heard from the original.
This video has not done the RD9 kick justice at all. It sounds killer on other comparisons
If you only plan to use the drum machine as is, stock out of the box, then you are probably right.
For the rest of us, hardware and software processing will make that baby hit hard!
Its 300 euros... not that roland was much much more as it had equal price almost as an mc707 nowdays when it came out ...but anw again for 2022 an analogue with individual multiple outs clone at 300 euros. Interesting.tho i wouldnt say is a direct clone. It has some stupid drumbrute mojo from time to time going on. But maybe is my ears getting old
Sounds much closer when it’s in classic mode not enhanced mode………I have a 909 and Rd9 obviously the 909 has a bit more body but they did a hell of a job also playing with the accent gives the rd9 more balls. I actually don’t like enhanced mode except for the hats.
You can get a perfect match with the RE-909 ;)
I just finished building mine. It's pretty spot on with the original. The RD is missing something
People always seem to forget that they probably NEVER heard a new TR909 straight out of the box.
Do they know how that sounds?
It's the same with the TB303's. The aging factor is a BAD thing . People often totally dissapointed because the unavoidable component upgrades didn't 'sound the same', and then they sold the unit, bought a new (!) clone, and they themselves couldn't hear the difference anymore after a day of playing. I wonder why that is ? -> The brain fools you more then the sound of the machines.
The OG just slays the rd9. Not a surprise I suppose!
Wow, great video...now i know for sure that I want a real 909 😊
the 909 kick punches to the face , the rd-9 seems quite weak for some reason ?
It think it has more to do with how 909 evolved, there was at least three different revisions of kick drum. This particular unit probably has later "thunderous" one which is well known from techno. Earlier had softer sound almost 808 like, and actually it is well known many prefer that early tone when selecting unit. So we have no idea which one Behringer cloned, add that enhanced mode makes comparing even more harder. Some comparison kick is nowhere near but some has nailed it. My bet is they cloned early unit with softer kick.
They sound close enough really a lot of the difference is nothing EQ couldn't help closing the gap a bit more, original beefier and less top, both good I can just listen to them on their own and like the sound all the more for not sounding like a real drum kit.
It seams strange to me that the kick/bass drum sounds so lacking in intensity and quality relative to the original. As a connoisseur of the electronic genre of hard techno over many years, I’ve always understood the value of the kick of the 909 to be revolutionary and if the RD9 misses the beat here, I don’t see much value. If one were strictly focused on their music and, like me, wants that raw, hard kick drum, I might suggest something else (possibly software) to generate that bass. However, my experience with RD9 is limited and I imagine CZcams videos offer an unfair representation. I hope I’m incorrect, but right now, I’m thinking ‘no go’ on the RD9.
See the comment from Deep Synths above. This wasn't a true A/B comparison. The tester had the RD-9 in an "enhanced" mode which changes the character of the sounds--especially the kick.
I've got an RD-9 and using it for techno and can confirm it definitely has the classic 909 sound when tweaked and processed as you would any sample. I use it in the classic mode which is much more similar to the original, I find it funny how people judge it on a compressed CZcams video
The RD9 sounds much better for me.
Much cleaner!!! 👍🏻
If you've got the OG version (Roland Tr-909) lucky for you guy's but if your trying to gauge a 1 to 1 comparison ..of course there's gonna be a slight difference, no 2 vintage synth's (analog) ,vintage drum machines (analog) sound exactly the same! However, like it or not the RD-9 has got that 909 vibe, (it's great for some folks) especially if you've been using samples, or don't really wanna take your OG on the road etc.. ! For some they just cannot afford today's 909 asking prices! (I wasn't sure at first but try it,you'll be surprise! ) Btw Big up Alamo :) 🎹
Nice comparison. It definitely doesn’t capture the 909 as well as I’d hoped. Something about the “laser” type envelope on the kick and snare. It’s like the Behringer has a weaker kick, and too beefy snare. It’s still cool, and I’d use one, but this is a great example of these things not holding up side by side
This is a great example of the demo not offering a fair comparison because they're not even close to tuned the same
This is the first comparison video I've seen between a vintage analog machine and a modern clone where I could actually hear an obvious difference in overall sound. People always compare the roland boutique synths to the origionals and I can almost never tell the difference. The JX-08 V.S. the JX8P for example. I can't hear any difference at all as hard as I try, at least when listening through CZcams. But I can safely say when comparing this clone to the origional 909 I can ACTUALLY hear how the analog machine has real magic that is very obviouse. Thanks for doing the comparison. I'd like to here the Roland Boutique version of this too.
The RD9 is analog, and as multiple other people have pointed out- this is a terrible comparison video because they're not tuned the same and he has the compressor on the whole time for the RD9.
wow the real 909 sounds so much better
@@SuperSpecialWorld I agree!
Like it or not the 909 sounds (and looks!) waaay better.
If you don’t have the money for an OG I’d go with the tr09 instead of the rd9 which at least is a Roland product and also sounds real good.
@@dxtrs_mnpltrhell yeah.
I own a rd-9 and have much fun with it.
Someday i will build and own a RE-909
350 euro vs 6000 euro
I just love 909 kick, hat, and clap is my favorite on this thing, can’t wait to get one 🥵
This IS not a real test, the output in TR IS higher and the rd 9 must not be in enhanced mode
you can hear they are nothing like each other the Behringer can't even do the Pot crackle..
didnt think the difference between the two would be as big as it is.. behringer sounds nothing like it really
czcams.com/video/aQ6pbHFH57A/video.html This link to video comparison is reality. the above video by alamo is so badly done i cannot even find the words
Prodigy -ish beats noticed! Good discussion here throughout.
Thanks for the review, now I know exactly what to buy tr909
I'll always regret not picking up an 808 or 909 when the house/techno producer who lived downstairs from me got Rebirth and Reason and decided hardware was obsolete. I could have picked up either for $600 USD. Which was still a chunk of money at the time. But I already had an Alesis HR16b, why would I want a 2nd drum machine? (And he had already sold his Jupiter)
PS I'm sorry you lost all credibility when you said Roland did a great job with ACB.
When the Boutique line came out I mistakenly thought they were analog. So was excited to hear them.
I got to check them out soon after the release and I could easily hear that they were digital emulation, even with my battered old ears.
Real test min 8:22
Sounds are thicker on the original ..but that rd 9 Slaps pretty hard also..might have to go purchase…
i have a 90 since almost 20 years... i also have a modded nava wich is amazing... i just got the rd-9 and let me tell you it sound like a 909 period.... the thing is you anyway rout the outs thru a US mackie or something that adds color... i use some pedals and a 16 channel us build mackie... it sounds like a 909 for like 300 bucks. seal the deal if u ask me... nobody is using a 909 stereo out and yes you add some body here and there but most important its the same kind of fun and the sync is quite good... a no brainer for that money
People are shitting on a machine that’s a year old vs one that’s decades old. You sound exactly like the haters back then when the tr909 was first released.
FYI, I got my 909 when it was first released, and loved it. That's why I have to take a rain check on the RD-9 - it just doesn't capture the sound of the 909. By the way, I'm not a Behringer hater either: I love my System 100.
Old nippon gakki rules!!
amazing video!
thanks for this detailed information.
Do you think the RD8 MK2 got closer to the OG than this RD9?
I was so stupid trading a TR909 for a moog Prodigy some time 15 years ago :/
Not that this is a bad thing, the real 909 just sounds distorted.
@@vjreimedia almost 40 years of reasons
There are more harmonics and some compression. Call it saturation if you like, I’m wondering if it is age or just something that has to do with the output . Do the same to the behringer, would it be as different? I have the rd 9, think I’ll give it a shot. With that being said as always nothing beats the real thing.
more harmonics and depth
@@lownrgy I don’t disagree but what I’m wondering is how close the rd 9 would be with some saturation. Also I have heard other videos where they are closer. None the less I never expect the clones to be the same. Prophet 5 vs prophet 5rev 4, they are close but the reissue does not sound exactly the same and that was made by the original inventor with some parts being NOS.
Ik zou graag eens al die mensen die altijd maar Behringer zitten af te breken hun muziek horen .
909 sounds way better, but RD9 is good for it's price
I was Leary’s fore of a 808 guy but I think behringer did a better job on the9.cant stop using it the timing is much tighter and atrial than the 8
I`m not purist, RD-9 sounds good.
The RD9 to me, vibe wise, is much like their 303 clone. The sounds themselves are reasonably close. They just don’t groove like the original. My 303 clone is cool and all that, but the timing is off.
I mean, for the money, they’re great and I’m not here to be down on the Behringer. It’s more of an observation.
The feeling that you’re playing something really special is not there. But, you can have a lot of fun with them and good music is good music, and that’s the main thing.
PSK what does it mean?
The 909 sounds a bit better but considering the price difference id go for the evil behringer
This is not a careful nor useful comparison of the kick. Wildly twisting the knobs in the RD-9's Enhanced Mode is going to make it sound nothing like the 909. However, switching the unit to authentic mode, it's extremely close to be indistinguishable in a blind test. Careful adjustment of the knobs in Enhanced Mode results in some extremely powerful kicks.
Can you point to proper comparison, would love to hear RD-9 sounding like this unit here
Definitely is not a perfect comparison but I can assure you from playing the two in person, even in person, they do not have a lot of overlap.
Now, I’m not going to say that is a bad thing. The RD9 is a lot cleaner sounding and you get added functionality in non-authentic mode and you don’t have to send $5-8k for an OG.
Additionally, who is to say our tr909 is truly indicative of the 909 sound? The problem is there were 3 revisions of the OG 909, not sure which this unit is, but which is the rd9 based on?
As with many of the behringer clones, there is a fundamental cleaner, brighter tone to the instruments. They are less quirky and not aged, which depending on an individual’s taste, can be a good or bad thing - I’m all for them in general as they give the vibe and feeling of the OG’s despite any differences.
Just by 2 cents.
Levels are not matched and the original is being slightly over driven. I don't own an RD-9 but if he matched the levels properly with some metering and cranked it up a bit. I'm pretty sure if would sound a lot closer.
@@asoundlab czcams.com/video/aQ6pbHFH57A/video.html just sayin ;-)
@@ogasi1798 great demo! Thanks for sharing. I’ll go back and do a more careful comparison because I’m genuinely curious. It appears from some of your comments on other videos that you worked on the design of the RD9 in some capacity - any insight as to which revision of the TR909 the RD9 is based on?
Do music listeners even give a $hit how legit your drum machine is?😂
There is nothing like the real thing. You don't even have to look to know which is being played.
Man, the difference is like night and day. The Behringer sounds lifeless compared to the full and thicc nature of the OG.
Schooly d
I had two 909s’. The kick was different on both…
Wow mini bill gate !
I think anyone that owns a 909 is probably looking at envy at the hi-hats tuning and some modern UI implementation or functionality and that's it. That said, if you have a rev2 909 with correct hi-hat tuning, you dont really need it to be different anyway. The rest is gonna do a job for the price, but i think it's pretty clear now that it's a missed opportunity for Behringer in terms of accuracy, but not for profit. They will sell millions of these and the world will be full of inferior sounding 909's for it. We wont be seeing any working examples of these in 30 years, thats for sure. Bang for the money? DEFO! Worth the price? DEFO! Just use sampled kicks and snares though instead :)
RD-9 kick on individual out has more bass that on the main out.
They sound so different.
.... you have the 909 with more volume wtf.
Damn even through my phone speaker the difference is obvious
I'm happy to see there are now so many comparison videos out showing that I was right all along and this sounds only vaguely like a 909 and is not 'a real 909 for a couple of hundred bucks' as the Behringer fanboys have been yelling from the rooftops. Nope, it's a cheap knockoff, and a poor one at that. TR-09 is way closer than this...it wouldn't be a bad thing for them to be different if this was just an 'inspired by' homage, but when you are blatantly knocking off gear in such a trashy way then it's nice to see them fall flat on their face.
TBH my TR-909 sounds nothing like his.
@@jumpingman8160 This particular TR-909 sounds exceptionally good, that's the beauty with these vintage machines they really are unique piece of units
ok maybe listen to a real comparison? czcams.com/video/aQ6pbHFH57A/video.html this alamo video above is a cock up so - at least this guy in my link knows both machines....night and day difference to the above balls up - rd9 is being played at velocity of 63 in the above for a start.
@@ogasi1798 OK I did. They don't sound the same in that video either. What are you deaf? I'm listening through a phone here and can here the difference.
@@roberttodd2414 ok robert as you were
Why so low volume on rd9 kick
Cos he's got the RD9 compressor on for some reason.
I think I like the sounds of the RD-9 more... although the classic sounds of the TR-909 are great, they've been used so often over the years that they kind of come across as dated. With electronic drum machines, I prefer something that sounds fresh and new.
Just picked up a drumbrute impact and the snare is really really nice! It's similar in sound to the og 909.
why 40 years ago they made better things is beyond me
The pattern is so stupid you can barely tell lol😂 but the originals will always win but is it good enough to keep? Got the rd9 on Black Friday,work flow?Way better than 909,the sounds? Meh something is off. The swing is close but no cigar . So return? I can fix with the external outs but there might be better clones but not for $320! 😮I can’t decide
As we can clearly see and hear, the kick drum is absolutely different.
Sad...
Everything after that is a sad story...
How some can actually say they sound the same?
The fake one sounds so thin, lacking punch, oh boy...
No comparison would not take an rd9 for free
He's got the levels higher on the original FFS...,
Overdriven yes.
He's got the RD9 compressor on the whole way through.
The original sounds like it's being overdriven. I don't think this is a fair comparison.
Gig it, rock it, light it on fire during the gig...make some art
They sound the same haha
Even know you tried with scratchy pots. The TR-909 sounds a thousand time’s better. Hence the price.💪🏻😎👍🏻
Jeez , not even close... Doesn't have the oompf or the vibe of the original.
I've never seen anyone use a 909 like that. It's barely music what came out of that lol
Would make great name for a project, Barely Music
Meglio la Bheringer
Whiner. It’s not meant to be a one to one replace,ent. I’ve owned the original 909 20 years ago and this one sounds even better to me and different. Thus is a winner. All these talking heads on YT just wasting people time to put down an awesome drum machine is just pure pathetic. D8nt you have better things to do.
Do you really think that Roland was not capable to put a “tune” on the hihat back in the 80’s if they think it was really necessary? Buy yourself an akai 900/1000 for a couple of dollars and sample the real TR, even that sounds better. RD 9 is a joke …
Dear Behringer, this instrument is unplayable, i much apreciate the "wave designer", but if you dont have space to respect the original distance between the knobs, drop these "nu" feartures for more real estate to the original functions.
it's impossible to jam and use the knobs for muting instruments, A la original TR909
every time you're doing a live act and jam by fadding instruments it's almost impossible to do it without touching the adjacent knobs.
my honest sugestion, in case you "HEAR US" is that you offer some kind of replacement knobs, or at least for the cost of manufacturing, only a set per rd-9 serial number maybe, i dont know.
These knobs, as they grow tall, they should be slimmer on the tops of the knobs making it so there is more space between them where you grab them.
is it awesome for such affordable clone? of course yes...
but if it's impossible to do a propper live jam without touching other knobs, it makes the instrument as-a-full-clone worthless.
i know, i can remove the tuning knobs before starting a set sure, but there's still the question of the HIGH TOM, RIM, CLAP volumes being way to close together.. ill probable commit myself to a mental hospital if you ever thing about making a "boutique" version... are the knobs going to be glued together hahahah :D
it's almost impratical for us, end users to manufacture such knobs without wasting a TON of money, so please behringer, fix this.
Im posting this comment in every rd-9 video in hope someone from behringer reaches out,
if you're the owner of this video and somewhat agree, pin it so there's more chances or someone from behringer to see this.
As usual you get what you pay for.
Even TR-909 snare punch harder than RD-9 bass drum @9:24
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@@ogasi1798 909 sounds totally different in this video than that, I dont know what it means
Rd 9 scheiss Bassdrum.