Podcast: What Austria clash will mean for the rest of F1 2024
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Scott Mitchell-Malm and Mark Hughes (in Austria) join Edd Straw to discuss a dramatic Austrian Grand Prix, that was decided by an incident between Max Verstappen and Lando Norris that handed victory to George Russell. Whose fault was the clash? And what does it mean for how Norris and Verstappen race each other in the future? Those are two of the topics debated and discussed in a bumper race review episode.
00:00 - Start and Austria impressions
02:11 - The Norris-Verstappen clash
15:06 - How the race played out
21:42 - The significance of Russell’s win
26:05 - What Austria says about Ferrari
28:06 - Haas rise to the top of the midfield
30:52 - RB and Ricciardo - progress or not?
33:23 - Alpine score again
37:17 - Listener questions
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Personally I think it's impossible to be mates and fight for the world championship. In fact, as a fan, I don't want drivers to be buddy buddy, playing paddle and golf and stuff. If they are fighting for the championship, then I want to see a battle. In and out of the track. Be mates after you retire, while you are racing, you are there to get yours. In my opinion
Nico and Lewis were friends for a few weeks 😂😂
This whole “I thought we were friends, boo hoo” thing from Lando is absolutely beta behavior
This or try to separate work and life, which is definitely harder said than done. Especially if something on-track leads to contention for long after.
The consequence of what you say is …that one is not allowed to move but forced to get out of the way and open the door. Now you tell me how to do that without moving to the left or right. C
@@scottmeredith3359look I’m a max fan but you are reading way too much into what lando said. They are interviewed immediately after the race and all he said was “ if he says he did nothing wrong I’d lose respect” that’s it. Nothing about friendship lmao
Listen the likes of Lando who backed Max in 2021 as well as a host of other drivers, can't complain about the same Max when the are finally going wheel to wheel with them. It sends out mixed hypocritical messages, and I really hope Lewis points that out if they ask him about Max. Lando was on his Twitch defending Max non-stop!
i dont follow twitch much, was lando defending max after the GP or was he defending max in 2021 etc?
acting like it's all Max's fault 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another great podcast guys keep up with great work.
Last 20 laps were actually really good 😂😂😂
Stop calling every dive a divebomb. Those are not the same thing.
Norris dive on Verstappen in the Sprint Race was not a divebomb. The entire idea of adding the word "Bomb" to a dive, is that it's a dive that was too aggressive and over the line, either because the driver pushed the other driver off the track, braked too late, went off-track himself and/or made a move when the gap wasn't there and caused a collission.
A good dive resulting in a brilliant overtake is not "a bomb". Norris move in the sprint was just that: a dive. And a great dive at that.
His two attempts in the main race that both forced Verstappen off was a dive-bomb.
Lewis had a big hole in the side of the car from lap one. There’s a clear picture of it out on social media.
45:20 - The issue with the Turn 6 gravel trap only applied in Q3, because at the end of Q2 Pierre Gasly plowed a massive furrow out of the edge of the gravel. Piastri has a power wheel hanging over the gravel, but it’s just kicking dust with the gravel 2-3” below that wheel edge, so he can’t feel it. He was off track & the issue was he wasn’t slowed down. Piastri complained bitterly about that, because again he’s qualified the fastest car at the bottom end of the top 10 because with too aggressive Q3 laps.
The British F1 Junta still on it..............
I love the quality of the content you guys produce, but please could whoever is in charge of the audio sort out the unbelievable amount of sibilance on some of these microphones? Edd’s always has quite a high amount of sibilance, but this episode has so much on all the mics that is almost unlistenable, and even borderline painful. It would be amazing if the audio quality was as easy listen to as the quality of the commentary! Thank you.
Great now I can't NOT hear that now I've read your comment
@@MrSkeleton131 haha
Easy to fix with a de-esser, there's also some weird compression going on.
Sounds fine to me
@@jules153 these people probably listen to lots of podcasts with HQ audio that when they listen to some dudes just recording themselves, it sounds terrible to them
My god are we still on this. There was more intent contact farther back. Move the fuck on god it’s like everyone is new to F1 all of a sudden.
they are milking the fuck out of this because lando is british, and it has been a while since we got any fight for p1/
You’d think they nearly killed each other with how people are going on about it. All they did was give each other flat tires. It’s hardly Lewis putting Max into the wall at top speed or Max parking his car on Lewis’s.
@@theguywiththename888 agreed honestly I love lando and max they are tied for my favorite driver but lando kept dive bombing over and over if you keep giving it Hail Marys somethings going to happen it’s a shame they both got a flat but I think it’s just hard racing and down to a racing incident. The media have been dying to see this kind of racing. Post race yes I would be asking questions to the drivers but then what else is there to talk about
@@jockeyjack3367Imagine if only Max got flat tyre and Lando won it. They would still blame Max.
Let’s see how far I get into this before the massively one sided and narrow opinions get too painful to listen to
Updated: 6:48 in and I’m getting close already
Wow, the verbal dance to avoid calling Max a bully is impressive. Maybe you should put that effort into the articles on the site ;).
“There’s nothing Lando could have done.” Haha riiiiight. It’s not like he could have gone to the left like all the drivers in this exact situation have done at this corner in the past. Y’all are pathetic.
Lando caught up rapidly because he had drs from 2 zones from the back markers where as max did not
People need stop being fanboys and accept it for what it was. It was hard, fast, and dirty racing and it was brilliant. The Micheal has done it, Nando has done it, Lewis has done it, Vettel has done it amd that's just to name a few. Stop going like "Lando was wrong, Max cant race wheel to wheel blah blah." It's racing and enjoy it
You’re not going to win a championship from second place. Take pole position, lead from lap 1 and win the race.
Why in the world did this not show up on anyones yt feed?? 900 odd views is a bally shame
It's unlisted
Dear gentleman I want to ask you to enlighten me on something I do not understand very well and that is the expression ‘moving under braking’. I do hear this all the time and you all three seem to understand exactly what it means but I do not. English is not my native tongue and maybe that is the cause of my misunderstanding. I heard a Belgian journalist on a podcast of some of your fellow countryman saying that he always thought that the idea of the ruling was that a driver is not allowed to move in the braking space of the driver that was following him. I am not clear of what sort of move he was speaking. In a recent interview on Dutch television I heard Max Verstappen saying that he did not moved under braking but that he moved first and that he after he repositioned the car he came of the throttle and that slowed the car down because his position was uphill on a climbing slope. Now I still do not know what is exactly ment by moving under braking / or is it braking under moving? What sort of moving? Zig/zag? To the left, to the right? Is it maybe.forbidden to change direction in a certain area like after the 100. >. 50 > meter marks? After the white line? In the braking area? Before or after a corner? Is there a certain area or position in which it is prohibited to braking a tow (to brake up a slipstream)? Is it possible that people understand the meaning of “moving under braking” differently? I am from the Netherlands and my school English is rudimentary so please if you can enlighten me to bring my knowledge up to date, Thanking you in advance, Jeroen Bons.
@@jeroenbons637 Max is this you?
If FIA wants to stamp out any further such incident, minimum penalty for causing a crash given stewards find whoever guilty must be a drive through penalty or a 5 grid penalty for next race, 5-10 seconds penalty if you have a fast car is slap on a wrist. Although I think governing bodies loves such drama so nothing would change.
If it wasn’t your first F1 race you’d know the incident is punished not the outcome
well done max and lando if you didn't crash into each other we all would be bored watching v8 super cars or indy car great move for F1 ratings
Why does it sound like you’re in a colosseum?
5:00 - Jolyon Palmer’s detailed multi-camera review suggested that having been immaculately blocked passed by Lando, Max chose to accelerate off-track, which is how he got back ahead and then claimed he was forced off-track. Jolyon’s conclusion was Max was looking at a potential 10 sec penalty. Problem was with only 11 short laps to go, do you leave that in the Steward’s room?
One thing I’m sure of, in agreement with Stella, that Max’s moves should have been Black & White flagged earlier. It’s verbal trickery trying to con(vince) the racing world that a “dive-bomb” is an illegal or unprecedented move - it does not and never has.
In 2021 Lewis punted Max into the barrier, both destroying his car and putting him into hospital whilst Lewis went on to win the race with only a 10 second penalty. So I don’t see the problem with Max’s penalty, if anything I think the penalty was way too harsh
What drugs are you on? Seriously
Yeah, Lewis shouldn’t have been penalized either because that’s the only way Max understands. The Silverstone one is a lap 1 incident too.
@@vikashchandra9917 Doesn’t matter if it was lap one, they were half way through the circuit so no excuses for Lewis’s dirty tactics. Lewis should of got a tougher penalty, his moved was far far worst than this one between Max and Lando
@@AZBCDE Oh no baby, let them race! No dirty tactics, just hard racing, let’s do it!
It means Lando has to learn how to race. Nobody is gonna hand him wins just cuz he wants them.
What does that even mean? What're you even saying kid? WTF lol
@@lesblase3667It means Lando ain’t Champ material yet. I like Lando but Max is a cut above
@@Raptor0750 Make it make sense kid. I agree that Max is levels ahead of Lando. But how does that justify what took place over the weekend? It doesn't. So, what're you saying? That Max was fine doing what he was doing over the weekend? That was dirty by Max. And I'm a fan of the kid too. Just not delusional. He was wrong for driving in the manner that he did. HE caused the accident. Not Lando. It's clear as day mate
@@lesblase3667you are wrong Max was not allowed to avoid a collision because that needed moving under braking. Lorry was looking for a collision because he came from behind and did not avoid a collision.
@@jeroenbons637 You're so full of shyte it's not funny
Milking this huh brits?
Like the quote “Norris fought fire with fire” more like played with fire
And the milking countinues
It was the most newsworthy thing that happened at a race that took place 3 days ago. Jump off the bandwagon and move on if you don't like the content.
@@devilsadvocate2206 Well said. It's been years since we've had an end of race battle up front that ended up in contact ... F1 is finally more competitive at the front so we should be celebrating the battles and making the most of it.
It won’t change anything..Max will be Max and so will be the fans
And what are we revering to dear sir?
@@alicekoppenol-pitti6257 British fans vs Max fans generally won’t be swayed by anyone else’s opinion regardless of the facts .. as far as Max goes, will he or would he change his driving style,. Lol that’s not gonna happen 😂
@@stevepiccinnin1157 I am a Max fan and I totally stand by that penalty. No argument from me there.
The only thing that irritates me is the fact that people are pushing the narrative that Max hasn't " changed". Why would he. It is on them if he doesn't fit the bill they made up for him.
@@alicekoppenol-pitti6257 that’s fair.. couldn’t agree more!
@@alicekoppenol-pitti6257 I am a max fan and i completely agree.
Penalty was deserved.
For me it is also the language used. All this talk about him "maturing". It implicitly says his previous actions were immature.
Its like one of those "have you stopped beating your wife" questions. No matter how you answer, you are always at fault.
Its simple max is max, when will he stop being max? never...
I'm getting fed up with Max's underhanded antics
cry
Get over it, he’s living in your head
The glazing is unreal
I don't get it - hours of hours of analysis. Rules are clear - no moves under breaking. If he moves - give him a black & white flag, he moves again - 5sec penalty. Simple.
Ah, then show me where it says "no moves under breaking" in sporting regulations? This was a very short-lived rule introduced in 2016 and has long since been replaced... there is nothing wrong with "moving under breaking", it's perfectly legitimate.
wow they should make you a racing steward since you're clearly so knowledgeable
@@quigglyz Oh, they've already done that. But your praise is very much appreciated.
Moving under breaking is not at all against the rules.
Its being unpredictable/erratic in a breaking zone is, because it leads to dangerous situations due to the big speed differences with the drivers coming up behind not being able to tell where you are going.
So suddenly changing direction while breaking or in the breaking zone is dangerous and therefor illegal.
But not every case of moving under breaking is that. Specially not if done at the start of the breaking when the speeds are still relatively equal.
Also not when the other driver is not behind but beside you.
Unless you actually change direction into the driver next to you and cause a coalition. Which is what max deservedly got a penalty for.
Next time just say " I hate Max Verstappen" and end the podcast instead of yapping about it for nearly 1 hour.
The British talking sporting regulations? Didn’t Lewis punt Max at Copse. The British accent has been a cover for soo many silly things.
Max makes F1 unwatchable
How sweet, watch something else princess
Merc and torpedo ham made f1 unwatchable...
Why you watching then?
I’m listening to a bunch of figure skating judges ….. Sensing a general lack of testosterone
It’s refreshing to not hear you blow smoke up Max’s backside for a change, and talk about how he really races when his car isn’t 20+ seconds up the road! All the Max fans seem to have gone quiet though 😂😂🕺🏽
@@L3wos85 wouldn’t say they’ve gone quiet .. I think they’re as loud and delusional as ever!
@@stevepiccinnin1157 maybe you’re right, when I think about it 😂😂🤙🏽
cry harder cutie
Here’s a fan for you. Ghetto dwellers
Why would red bull fans be quiet? Their team and driver will win another title, while coping mclaren and brit fans think the dominance is over because their team is finally somewhat relevant.
Imola and Spain 2021 Lewis yielded so he doesn't crash with Max, Britain and Monza he didn't yield and they crashed
2024 Austria Sprint and Imola Norris yielded and when he didn't yield in the race they crashed idk I can see 1 common thing
Max didn't learn anything from baku 2018
Learn what? He is aggressive and is pushing the rules. This is exactly how Michael and Senna were. Max is going to be just fine. His aggression is what makes him great. Don’t like that, then change the rules 🤷🏾♂️
When your excuse for causing an accident and taking a direct rival out is effectively "it's the team's fault for causing other drivers to be around me" ... then you need to reassess your driving. Guess what Max, you're not the only car on the track.
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