The Bioshock Iceberg Part 2 (ft. TheBioshockHub)
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2021
- Part 1 if you missed it: • The Bioshock Iceberg E...
Thanks all for watching! I’ve got an idea for my next video and I have a more reliable schedule so I should be able to upload more often than this! As with the first video all uncredited art and music was official concept art or music for the series.
Some links if you’re still hungry:
TheBioshockhubs Channel: / thebioshockhub
Infinite’s hidden music: • Hidden Music in BioSho...
Truth From legend fact from myth: bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Trut...
Suzannah Biernoff essay: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Hey Folks! Thanks for all the love! I forgot to add in Imgur link to the actual iceberg so here's that: imgur.com/gallery/lZTIltq
Also feel free to check out my other BioShock video, which is an analysis of Ludo narrative dissonance in the first game: czcams.com/video/1BvdTB68GPg/video.html
Thanks for watching!
I also would like to add "The siren's song" as a part of the iceberg: when fighting the Siren if you pause during the fight you can hear a very disturbing recording of a woman singing Lacrymosa with lots of static.
I think that's because Lacrimosa kicks in when booker and Elizabeth are passing through the Lady Comstock memorial in the Hall of Heroes. This makes me think either Lady Comstock was a big fan of the song, or maybe - as Elizabeth says that the ghost of Lady C is more of twisted representation - she associates the song with her due to finding out her heritage in the Hall of Heroes. Regardless of the reason, I've probably worded this awfully...
Bioshock Infinite should’ve just been a straight-up horror game. Every time it gets scary, it becomes the stuff of nightmares.
Hope you all enjoyed! It was an honor to be here, thank you again.
Sinclair and Alexander aren’t physically in Bioshock 1, but they are however mentioned by name by Suchong in an audiotape talking about the Vitachamber before the Ryan encounter.
Also, besides the audio recording, we also have a reference to one of Sinclair´s many bussinesses in "Sinclair Spirits", an alcoholic drinks store at the Poseidon Plaza in Fort Frolic
Fuck yeah thanks
@@desanctisapostata a Sinclair sign can be found in the bioshock intro, I have used freecam to confirm...
in Bioshock 1, there's also a place named Sinclaire Spirit in Fort Frolic i.stack.imgur.com/JbYUv.jpg
I'm pretty sure the lore behind the cats is that they were originally smuggled into Rapture by Fontaine's smuggling ring. Due to most pets being banned by Ryan. Although after many were smuggled in, the ban was relaxed and multiple industries for cat food were created. Why they are all dead though ... I can't tell you.
You're 100% right! The BioShock 2 multiplayer character, Oscar Calraca smuggled them in with help from Fontaine. I imagine there have to be some cats still alive though. Plenty of fish flopping around on the floors of Rapture to eat.
@@DragonSl4y3r99 plus all the corpses of dead splicers.
Imagine having to fight a giant spliced-up cat that ate too many splicer corpses and the splicer DNA mutated it into a hideous abomination.
So basically a furry.
(I should probably mention that I’ve got nothing against furries, I just thought that it was a fitting way to describe a human-cat hybrid)
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Death by UwU
Oh I guess I missed the Easter egg thread on the other video, but there is a Big Easter egg in Borderlands 2. Makes sence since both franchises were published by 2K. The Easter egg takes play in a pirate themed dlc where you have a low chance of spawning a "Big daddy" (named Mr. Bubbles) and a "little sister" (called Lil sis) enemy that sticks with the "big daddy". Killing them has a really low chance of obtaining the "Little Evie" gun which is also a reference to Eve.
This a cool one, thank you
I've never gotten to a video this fast before. Also that Sea of Dreams trailer was great.
same here!!
After Suchong died, Gilbert Alexander continued his work, which allowed for more big daddies to be created after his death. Originally, while Suchong was still alive, Gilbert opposed the Protector Bond and created his own program called the Pair Bond, using his Alpha series. When that failed, he took Suchong’s Protector program and continued it after his death. This is described in the audio diary “Improving on Suchong’s Work”. So in my eyes, the date of Suchong’s death seems perfectly reasonable to me.
except for the fact that there is not a single mention of Mr Alexander in burial at sea at all.
@@caliptus85 because BaS is trash and basically Levine's headcannon, it contradicts established cannon while having many inaccuracies in it's design, hell even the buildings don't look right looking like some 90's art deco or some shit as opposed to the proper 60's (not shitting on u if u like it tho, it just doesn't really try to hard to be genuine to Bioshock or Rapture)
@@caliptus85 it's basically all columbia elements forcefully injected into it too, idgaf who says what those sky hooks being around was just the laziest cop out for game design, then they tried to justify it, like no dag no 💀
@@imonke5303 this is why Infinite should’ve have connected to the first two games. As great as Irrational pulled off the multiverse concept, it’s always counterintuitive since it opens the possibility of the creator just right pulling and saying “no, this is canon and this is how it’s supposed to be, because it’s in a specific universe/timeline.” Just a cheap way of storytelling if you ask me.
@@vault1021 it just always felt disingenuous too, the whole "always a lighthouse" thing just feels cheap, and kinda disregards the story of the first game in favor of this wider multiverse setup, attempting to shrug off it's significance under it being on of many
in the first walking section of the burial at sea dlc you can see a bigdaddy using its drill as a grappling hook
Not sure about this counting but no clipping bioshock 2 in Outer Persephone I found the little sister dream map is directly above Eleanor prison room. Found that the npc are killable (no item drops) and further above a programing room with buttons that dictates what ending you get
I did not know about the glowing blue biomass. It really makes that cool atmospheric blue light VERY, VERY sinister. It was right there in front of all of us.
You dont know how grateful I am that you have made these videos, because you have reignited my love and interest for the Bioshock franchise
I did notice the cats all around Rapture. Super intriguing, I always supposed they were killed by the splicers in one or another way.
Fun fact, Fallout 4 was supposed to have a Bioshock "themed" vault with a huge octopus as a boss. I think it was during a AMA on reddit with Todd Howard.
There’s also a bioshock reference in borderlands the pre sequel, in the claptastic voyage dlc. Forget the name of the map but when you go to pick up a side quest in some fish tank, you’ll see a big daddy buried in the sand.
1:58 same thing happens in bioshock 2 when the players starts and sees the first vent
In tf2 there is big daddy plush you can get as cosmetics along with infinite enemies mask like firemen and the one of medic’s melee weapon called Vita Saw has a strong resemblance to little sister’s syringes
Man, that Bioshock 2 playable intro would have been so great.
Fun bit of trivia for the siege of Columbia board game: several elements of the game are incorrect in terms of Infinite itself and lean more on the concept art. Fink’s character card is based off of his old man design, Saltonstall makes an appearance, and several Vox leaders appear that you’d never be able to identify in the final game. There’s also the fact that Soldier’s Field is labeled “Hall of Heroes” and the Finkton Docks was labeled “Shantytown” but you can put that up more to artistic license so the board would look pretty.
Sinclair was mentioned a bunch more before in the first Bioshock other than Sinclair Spirits. Suchong mentions him by name in one of the audio diaries found near the “Would You Kindly” bulletin board, and there a plenty of Sinclar Solutions crates found around Rapture before Bioshock 2 too.
Wow, you got *the man himself!* Great video, going over corrections is something all CZcamsrs should strive for.
when i stopped going by my birth name i picked Sinclair for my middle name(:
Bioshock means a lot to me not only because its just a wonderful game, there were times in my life where it was my only escape from a lot of horrible things that were happening to me and of course i was crush with what happened to Sinclair ); my fave character after booker xx
awesome new vid!! i couldnt wait for part 2, cant wait to see what else is to come from your channel!!
Hope you're doing well.
Thank you very much. You honor me with your attention
I guess another correction would be for Elizabeth's pendant glitch. In the end of the game when Elizabeth is in the rowboat with the Lutece twins, the pendant for some reason switches to the pendant the player didn't choose.
Oh that's actually super interesting, might not even be a glitch
I love it when people collaborate on a project they're both passionate about! Sounds like the two of you had fun making this video 😊
Wouldn't the Sea of Dreams teaser tie in with Eleanor saying, "The Rapture dream is over."
That sounds right yeah
Thank you so very much for taking the time to make this video. I really enjoyed it.
... Is that a carnival version of Cyndi Lauper's Girls Just Wanna Have Fun?
Yes! Infinite is actually full of weird vaudeville covers of classic songs
The cat theory can be explained away as the workers using cats to hunt rats and other rodents that stowed away when they first went to rapture like sailors would use cats on ships. The sudden deaths of the cats could be explained as the civil war worsening and everyone being hooked on adam, so they didn't care for the cats as they once did.
another explanation could be fontaine smuggling them in for people as evidenced through the bioshock 2 audio log of Oscar Calirca's audio log in the bioshock Multiplayer Source: czcams.com/video/VJ9Jjrpqd7c/video.html also a BioshockHub Video
@@eddydoesthings7817 Technically, Bioshock 2's multiplayer isn't 100% canon so I'd take it with a grain of sand.
@@SSD_Penumbra fair point
There’s literally pipe wrench props everywhere in bioshock lol
I've been noticing similarities between L. Frank Baum's the Wizard of Oz and Bioshock.
Jack is very much like Dorothy, as they were both transported away from their humble farming beginnings (with parental figures) that they wish to return home to.
Dorothy was whisked away to Oz by a cyclone, and Jack was in an airplane crash into the ocean to Rapture.
They both are sent on journeys to find the person who rules over the location they are in, Dorothy must seek the Wizard of Oz- and Jack must find Andrew Ryan.
Along the way there are many enemies and monsters they face, but also friends who wish to better their lives with the main character's help, and ultimately end up with happy endings after their journeys.
Dorothy's Magic Shoes and Jack's Tattoos can be seen as plot elements that drive our heroes further into their travels.
Brigid Tennenbaum has similarities with The Good Witch of Oz, helping the citizens from the tyrrany of the Wicked Witches. Even the Little Sisters could be compared to Munchkins!
The Wicked Witch of the West could be seen as Atlas or Fontaine, as they employ "sorcery" of sorts and manipulation of their resources to eliminate the main character, but are ultimately defeated. (By little girls I might add- Fontaine=Little Sisters / Witch=Dorothy)
And the man behind the curtain is revealed to be an illusion all along, the Wizard character. I think Ryan and Fontaine fit into this description as they are the revered leaders of the city (as the Wizard of Oz is the ruler of the Emerald City) and they all fabricated fascades so that people would worship them. But at the end, they are average people.
(Fun Fact: the 1939 MGM Film's depiction of the Emerald City is designed after Art Deco elements which were popular at the time- and as we know was the main aesthetic design for the City of Rapture.)
I noticed these similarities and thought I could share them. Let me know if you guys have any other connections drawn between the Land of Oz and Rapture!
Citadel Station blew my mind! System Shock is so underrated. Even if 2 has more replay value the first is a perfect game for its time. Design at its finest!
I’m pretty sure Sinclair and Alexander are mentioned in audio diary by Suchong in the Rapture Control Center. I think they invented vita chambers and Suchong kinda scoffs as the idea of raising the dead back to life. He then mentions that for testing purposes, Ryan had the vita chambers set to his genetic code, hinting at the fact that Jack is related to Ryan in some way before the big twist is actually revealed.
I really do hope you blow up more and more, love your content man!
I appreciate that!
If Atlas' pooper made it in part 1, then the fact that one of the shark models in BioShock 1 ( if I recall correctly ) has their genitals fully modeled should have made it in this one. I specifically recall finding out about this when TreyTheExplainer had a video showcasing it many years ago. He seems to have privated or deleted the video entirely however, as well as a bunch of his other old videos..
However, with a quick google search, I can confirm that the model in 2 and Burial At Sea's great white have theirs fully modeled as well. Not sure why this is the case, but I guess they really wanted their sharks to be realistic.
i've been watching a lot of iceberg videos recently so i was really happy when i get the notif for this video :)! i really enjoyed it, no matter how much i think i know about Bioshock, there's always something new to learn lol
i really really would like to see a video regarding the use of the WW1 face injuries inspiring the splicers, it's such an interesting topic, so i'm looking forward to it :)
great video as always!!
I know this is kind of old but with the big daddies and little sisters bonding during 1959. Adam carries genetic memory thus the ghosts you see in bioshock 1. Big daddies run on adam and the little sisters who bonded with that big daddy would've gone and deposited their adam into the central adam bank which would get recycled into other big daddies eventually spreading that genetic memory around so much that the bonding event would come preprogrammed into any big daddy that was pumped up with adam.
As for the little sisters in Bioshock 2 Its shown that adam allows a telepathic connection between little sisters. So once those two little sisters in BaS saw big daddies as a friend then all little sisters would see them as a friend.
For years playing bioshock I've been asking, "what's with all the dead cats?" Glad I'm not the only one! Was starting to think I was crazy!
I used to think the splicers’ faces were more so being morphed to fit their masks or bandages. Like how female splicers that wear heels will have feet shaped as if they were molded to said shoe, if that makes sense. Or how if the splicers wear a mask, when it’s destroyed or taken off, their flesh is still in the shape of said mask - like clay. I always assumed it was an effect of splicing, even after knowing about the WWII references.. I think it’s still a pretty cool head-canon at least.
Tony Stark is based on Howard Hughes. And in Batman Dark Knight Rises, Bruce is joked about "5 inch fingernails and jars of his own urine"(I don't remember the exact quote) at the party where Catwoman steals the pearls, which is what Hughes did later in life.
I cant stand how "girls just wanna have fun" is playing in the beginning of this video.
I want to add to the complications in Suchong's death date:
In the Bioshock 2 into, Delta and Eleanor are shown to be pair bonded during New Years Eve 1958.
In the Bioshock 2 audio diary "The Pair Bond Mechanism," Gil Alexander states that the first successful pair bond (Subject Delta) occurred after Suchong's death. "It is unfortunate that poor Dr. Suchong will not be here to raise a glass."
This means Suchong must die prior to the New Years Eve Riot.
However, in Burial At Sea Part 2, Elizabeth watches Suchong die roughly two weeks into 1959.
The entire history and science of Big Daddies and their bonding mechanisms to the Little Sisters is so contradictory in many ways. Again in a Bioshock 2 audio diary from Gil Alexander ("A Father's Love"), he states that the lab aides started calling them 'Big Daddies' after they were made into protectors. But a Rapture Daily Post article calls them 'big daddies' in reference to their recent invention and initial purpose as builders/maintenance workers.
I'm also really dissatisfied with the theory that Burial at Sea exists in a different timeline to the other games, since that defeats the purpose of them all wrapping around to the same events - and if the events of Burial at Sea represent a different Rapture, how else could a Rapture without Elizabeth come around to the start of Bioshock 1 as it does?
Not to mention that Burial at Sea is inconsistent with itself alone. Suchong first discovers a Tear on October 14 1958 ("Observation #17"), and steals the invention of drinkable plasmids from Fink. Fontaine orders the discontinuation of drinkables in November 1958 ("Product Recall"). However, Ryan has taken over Fontaine Futuristics by October 17 1958 ("Offer of Employment"), meaning that not only would Fontaine have no stake in the company by the time he orders product recall, he would be fake dead!
The dead cats could be a reference to schrodinger's cat. No one on the surface really knows if the city is alive or dead.
I really appreciate your passion towards this awesome game franchise!!!
You also forgot to mention Rocket league for game references. There is an achievement in it named Mr Bubbles the same line the little sisters say to the big daddy’s in Bioshock .
well i'm glad you brought in TheBioshockHub i liked the video overall
i like how they made a call back to the sea of dream teaster in there is something in the sea ARG with the rapture sand castle thing
I remember watching that sea of dreams trailer when I was a kid it was so exciting for me at the time, I loved watching these videos what a great job
Thanks a lot for watching!
I'm glad CZcams recommended your content to me, you really fulfilled my Bioshock itch
Huge props for mentioning Nomad Colossus by the way, I didn't expect to hear him mentioned outside of SOTC community
I love nomad collosus. His commitment to gaining an unparalleled understanding to one teams work is inspiring.
Yes!
A multiplayer character in bioshock 2 has audio logs that suggest he is either responsible for the cats being in rapture or that ryan allowed cats to be brought in, and as we all know cats can turn to eat their human masters if they're deprived of food and the remains of humans are about, so perhaps these cats all ate a bit of corpse well almost all of them in rapture have adam so maybe they all became adam addicted which ultimately lead to their killing or starvation
Yessss, just in time :)
It's really interesting that the blue mutating biomass exists in both the Rapture timeline and the Columbia timeline and yet we know nothing about it
I love lore details like that. The whole "less is more" idea. It captures the imagination better I think.
Oh, yes. Been waiting for this!
Hey man I see you're channel is still growing so I threw in a sub. Your Bioshock Iceberg is well done and as a fan of the games myself I appreciate your work.
Thanks! I'll be sure to make that sub worth your while, stay tuned!
Fontaine and Sinclair are both VERY time period appropriate names. Fontaine comes from the word "Fountain"(spring) and Sinclair comes from Saint Claire, who was a "Hermit Saint."
Pretty interesting, huh?
There's another Bioshock reference in Far Cry 4, in the description of the hypodermic needle item.
Oh thats sick I just watched the first one yesterday!
I really hope the spider splicers will make it in the BioShock movie in all their glory
Thousand Island, my favorite type of Ranch dressing.
Haven't seen much talk about the book "Rapture" maybe a good topic for a video? Who knows keep up the good work.
Dumb theory: The cats were surviving after the war broke out in rapture by hiding in the many little sister vents or other small spaced however the pheromones that Ryan pumped trough the vents in order to control the splicers have also affected the cats which caused them to leave the vents and wonder aimlessly around the city with little no to no regard for their lives similar to the splicers.
We all know that Fontaine's favorite alias to use was "Tater Salad"
This channel is top tier
My comment was just pointing out its a similar wrench, not the exact one, great videos btw
Ah, yes you seem to have gotten quite a lot of responses in the first video, but no worries. I think it got a lot of us talking about the buriel at sea dlcs so it was a well placed comment, thanks for coming around for the sequel!
Didn't even know a part two was incoming ... 👍😊👍
I have 3 additional points to add to the iceberg
1) Elizabeth wasn't killed by a Big Daddy: the theory is based on the dead body of Elizabeth we found at the beginning of Burial at the Sea part 2, it has almost no injuries or bruises, but for a single object stuck in her heart, it seems almost stabbed
1.5) Isolated from the multiverse: this theory is a continuation of the previous one, but is more debatable, it says that both the Elizabeth we control in Burial at the Sea pert 2 and the repented Comstock/Booker from part 1 are isolated from their other universes counterparts, so Elizabeth could not open more tears and communicate with the other selves, like the one seen in Columbia in part 2 and Comstock is not erased as all the other drowning Booker
2) How respawn works in Bioshock Infinite: there are no Vita Chambers in Bioshock Infinite, so how exactly Elizabeth heals Booker every time? According to this theory she goes into a tear, takes another Booker with her and injects him with ADAM, the green, murky substance in the syringe, that trasmits memories and powers to one Booker to another (much like D4C in Steel Ball Run)
3) Neon Genesis Evangelion connections: albeit very unlikely, this theory is fascinating, it says that the Luminescent Biomass is Adam from NGE, because in the Anime, Adam was referred also as "Hikari no Kyojin" (the giant of light) and created all the various angels we see in the Anime, so he has the capability of creating really diverse lifeforms, but another clue is that the little sisters call the corpses of ADAM users "Angels" but through their eyes in Bioshock 2 we see wing-like shapes around them, but is far from "dancing angels", so this theory says that they say so because of the influence of Adam (the creature non the substance), furthermore the plan of Sophia Lamb is quite similar to SEELE's project for instrumentality of man
She was killed by a Big Daddy though, the same Bouncer which killed Comstock to be specific. The game even shows a flashback of the Bouncer charging into her when sent her into the wall which then resulted in her getting impaled on a piece of rebar.
@@gamefan56 yes, i know that she was assaulted by the bouncer between Burial at the Sea 1 and 2, but my theory (that could be false as well) says that something other than death happened to her to justify what happens through the DLC, for example how she and the repented Comstock in the first part are seemingly unaffected by the other universes, and there is still the person who opened the red portal in Fink music store in Bioshock Infinite
@@nicknamelessking9616 That I would put down to simple inconsistency in the story thanks to Levine trying to retcon as much as possible. Honestly the more you look at BAS Episode 1 & 2 story the more plotholes/inconsistencies you discover.
Frankly the only Headcannon I can see it being cannon would be it taking place in a alternate Rapture as opposed to the Original Bioshock 1 & 2 Rapture.
@@gamefan56 is obviously not the same Rapture from the first game: the Eve is drinkable and not injected, there is a wide use of "skyhooks" the time of Suchong's death and imprinting of Big Daddys as protectors is odd at best
@@nicknamelessking9616 Apperently Levine has confirmed it is the same Rapture. But then given how desperate he is to try and write out Bioshock 2 and the amount of inconsistencies it seems more desperate from him than anything.
I am 100% onboard it being a different rapture despite the story writer claiming otherwise.
If you want great material about Bioshock that nobody has really mentioned, you should look at the connection between the luminescent biomass and the concept of the Prima materia and the Anima Mundi. Both of these concepts were introduced into Philsophy by Anaxagoras, who lived from 500BC to 428BC, and was exiled to the city of Lampsacus, where he had altars erected in his honor and dedicated to Mind and Truth
I'll try to remember to look into this, it sounds fascinating!
Sullivan, the man himself, Ryan's chief security
I love we happy few
Hopefully you do icebergs on other series
Great video!
I loved both videos, but I do have one gripe: NO MARK MELTZER???
Maybe, I missed it? He's my favorite part between the ARG and in game connections, having been the only portrait in color, and his unfortunate bittersweet end. I had to stop playing for a little while after accidentally killing him with a trap I set for another big daddy 😢
Yeah he doesn't have any specific entries, but there is an entry about the arg where I (think) I at least mentioned him by name. I agree though he's a very underrated character! Thanks for watching!
@@RivetingMaterial thanks for putting in the work! I'm a diehard fan of the series so it's nice to see such comprehensive content. Cheers!
@@evanEPIC if you're a diehard fan and haven't read the book, i did an audio series of the novel too! Highly recommend as it makes the lore of the first two games even better
Good stuff!!!
YOOO THE BIOSHOCK HUB
Would you kindly make part 3?
Dumb theory: Eleanor and Elizabeth are the same (in a way)
Both girls are kept in solitary constantly watched over.
Both girls parent is a mad person whom is trying to keep them away from someone.
Both of the girls are treated like lab rats and are told superior over other people.
Both have power over their worlds in some way. Eleanor controls the little sisters, while Elizabeth controls the tears.
Both girls are suppose to be the Children that rule over their respected worlds.
4:08 wait, so theres a scientific explanation for why they refill eve? And not just a gameplay reason?
Thats kinda cool...
I was very pleased to learn this during my research as well. Eve is a stimulant!
Nice Fallout New Vegas meme 😂
Hmmmm I found what I absolutely swear was a small dog in Bioshock2 I couldn't tell whether it was alive or dead, it wasn't degraded but wasn't moving. I had found one cat before but this wasn't a cat it was like a small terrier type. OMFG MYTH STATUS, I think it was around Diyonysus place btw
fascinating!
Wasn’t there some really long storyline playing out in the audio diaries throughout one of the bioshock games? Following the same character going through rapture?
Yes, bioshock 2! The protagonist of that story line was Mark Meltzer. The protagonist of the "something in the sea" campaign I mentioned in the video. It's a direct continuation.
Does this mean you like Fallout New Vegas as well? Maybe some videos about that in the future? 👀
Believe it or not I haven't played new Vegas, but I love the fallout series and I know its most peoples favorite so it's in my back pocket as a potential game to stream.
@@RivetingMaterial Please play it! Totally being dramatic but it changed my life, no game has had such a lasting effect for me! Although Bioshock is up there on the list.
@@trin7346 noted, I definitely hold it in high reguard, I get the sense that its one of the most narratively dynamic modern RPGs and that's why people love it so much
i now want to try out mobile bioshock
I made a video going into more detail on them. Check it out (if you want) czcams.com/video/baF4O-g1zeE/video.html
@@RivetingMaterial nice
15:58 YEAH FOR REAL.
A grapple drill Bouncer appears as the final boss of Burial at Sea part 1
17:00 Bethesda and 2k games did team up and made a game that game being Oblivion.
13:27 it doesn’t even make sense in context of the DLC itself, what about the big daddy that was protecting sally earlier? You know, the one that acted as the final boss at the end of the first part of burial at sea, killing the booker/Comstock hybrid? The one that was also responsible for elizabeths death at the beginning of part two and even acts as a roaming enemy at the hub area? The one clearly referred to as “mister bubbles” by sally? Weren’t the two of them a successfully paired big daddy and little sister?
Wibbly wobbly teary weary time travel? (I agree, infinite and it's dlcs are a Swiss cheese of story)
@@RivetingMaterial in the middle of replaying infinite and its dlc aaaaaaaaaaand, yep, it’s no good, the story is kinda trashy, it abuses a lot of cliché tropes like the whole amnesia/time travel/dimension hop nonsense, it’s very inconsistent on the second halve and half the time it doesn’t even seem to know how is everything supposed to connect together.
@@marioruiz1530 yeah. I remember the specific moment that it sort of fell apart for me. It's during the section in and around the fink factory, when Elizabeth and booker start indescriminately passing through tears in order to progress the story. Thats when I knew the logic was unraveling and nothing really mattered because tears can do literally anything, raise the dead, cause infertility, cause amnesia. Hit a narrative dead end? Let's walk through a tear and go to a reality where... There's no narrative dead end! Easy! Hahahaha!
@@RivetingMaterial for me, it was whatever the hell the siren/lady Comstock was supposed to be, elizabeth being promoted into a goddess by the end who could see countless realities yet didn’t realize that killing booker wouldn’t really mean jack squat on the grander picture since she would pretty much need to do so with pretty much every other booker out there pre-baptism in order for it to have the desired outcome (which is statistically impossible) yet she did it anyways (and somehow didn’t cease to exist even though every other elizabeth did so) just for the DLC to showcase how wrong she was and have her get killed once (cuss the devs couldn’t organically implement her tear opening into the story and so they pretty much did that as a cop out to make her use vig- i mean “plasmids”) just for her to get revived cuss why not and then die a second time in a way that’s a huge disservice to the character, in what amounts to a glorified fanfic.
@@RivetingMaterial you forgot that the caused Comstock to age and get cancer.
I'm aware that Sinclair isn't technically canon in Bioshock 1 (then again, universes are infinite so anything can be possible.). However, I like thinking he owned Sinclair Spirits when he isn't/wasn't being a sleazy lawyer. With a smoother than honey whiskey voice. Seriously, the voice actor for Sinclair did a good job.
My gushing about Sinclair's voice aside.
The Sea Of Dreams short is vaguely wholesome but also sinister. And it gets awesome points for the trailer song.
Unrelated but is it just me or does Howard Hughes look like Vincent Price?
Also, interesting fact about the dead cats in Rapture. One of the dead cats in the freezer when you're in I think Fort Frolic (I could be wrong on this. Please correct me on this.) is named Schrodenger. This is in reference to a physics theory by the name of Schodenger's cat which is basically the cat is both dead and alive. And yes I know I'm explaining the theory rather poorly. I'm no expert in physics. Just a mere person on the internet. That's just from what I gathered.
Hey! It's funny I think I remember seeing your profile in the comments of part 1, Shrodinger actually has his own entry! But they're so densly packed in that one that it's easy to miss. And I agree, Sinclair seems like he would happily have a side hustle selling fine liquor.
@@RivetingMaterial
Yep. You saw me in part one's comments.
Where I was basically rambling on about Ryan and vices and finding humor of adult items being sold in Rapture.
HEYYYY LET'S GOOOO
Can we get a video outlining some of the splicer lore gathered from their voice-lines?
That's an interesting idea, I think I will do that, thanks you
@@RivetingMaterial I’d be absolutely thrilled! There’s sooo much juicy content in the lines from both 1 & 2, and the voice acting really deserves a spotlight. Even listing the Splicer’s names/nicknames would be awesome, I dunno how many people know about their production nicknames
I literally just watched part 1 hours before, funny how fate works
I think the cats came down as a mild invasive species that ate the rats around rapture. Eventually, during the civil war, they began eating splicer corpses. The ADAM killed them from there.
You're the first to bring up the "Adam infused person meat killed the cats" theory and honestly it's brilliant
In regards to cats wouldn't there also be livestock? Its pretty tough to cook fancy without milk, eggs or meat
In the book it says that Fontaine did a great deal of smuggling to get contraband into rapture. Its generally assumed that this is how the cats got in. As for livestock there is mention in the book of genetically engineering miniature cattle and livestock for small scale farming. But most of the citizens of rapture feasted primarily on fish.
Watch the fan made Rikki Tikki Tavi video using Sea of Dreams as the video for the Fair to Midland song. "Bioshock, Rikki Tikki Tavi" should do it. It's a fantastic piece of art.
I'll check it out! Thanks!
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It's around 3 minutes
Kinda thought Ambrosia was common knowledge, maybe not in the US? lol
I had never heard it spoken aloud no, I also never read Percy Jackson or anything that contributed to the Greek mythology hype that some people had in middle and highschool. But there are a lot of folks who seem to know quite a bit about it so perhaps I'm just the minority in that regard. Thanks for watching anyways!
@@RivetingMaterial Look forward to your future videos.
Okay, that most definitely was NOT a bottle of ranch. That is Thousand Island dressing. I can't believe you would make this mistake, I know how much you love ranch but come on rivet (/lh)
I love it so much I see it everywhere. When I look in the mirror I only see ranch.
Could just be wrong or confused here but when talking about how Suchong wasn't around to ensure all big daddies bonded with little sisters, I seem to recall there was a second guy who continued working on the little sisters and big daddies (mentioned in 2)? I can't recall exactly but that would explain why the work continued without Suchong.
It was gil Alexander, but it's still chronologically odd. It's just a muddied part of the timeline due to Levine not being involved with two but being involved with infinite. So he never references two, but also his explanation for suchongs death requires a character from bioshock two bonding all future big daddies. Also subject delta was supposed to be the first successful bond but Alexander's "pairbond" is different from the type of bonds suchong was working on. Like I said, it's just a bit messy and confusing but I could've done a better job explaining it in the entry.
"And THEN, they decided to rip our fucking hearts out." -TheBioshockHub
Lol.😂 golden.
Are you ready for the new bioshock game in 2022 ?
Looking like Bioshock Isolation(or whatever they call it)will be out in 2024. Hopefully. Psychedelic 60s in Antarctica sounds 👌
Oh my
The fallout bioshock connection probably isnt the shared universe thing. Mainly just the references and inspirations
In base new vegas there is an achievement if you kill Mr.House (a character also inspired by howard Hughes) with a golf club. Called a slave obeys. Clear reference to ryans death
There Is also a poster in the dead money dlc that lists the creator of a movie as "Andrew Levine"
The dead money dlc is also inspired by bioshock. An art deco paradise created to escape the world brought down by internal stiphe and is isolated from the rest of the world. Where the protagonist is a slave
I remember Fallout 3 having a cut perk ,where you could become a Big Daddy ,you could only attack with the drill and you had to protect a little girl ,( not sure if was real or just a joke )