Resident Evil 2 | What the Original Did Better - Critical Nobody
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2019
- Everyone seems to love the new Resident Evil 2, so I'm going to be "that guy" and explain in what ways I think the remake dropped the ball.
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I'm disappointed by it tbh.
Critical Nobody
I don’t like the original soundtrack being behind a paywall.
BUT i do think costumes being charged for is okay.
Personally i don’t think this is a case greed.
Especially since future game modes will be free. Games cost 60€ , which is alot. But i think games should cost way more.
Here the costumes are more an “option” to give more money (which should be present) WITHOUT stealing a part of the game locked away for people who don’t want to spend more money on the game
It’s not predatory, it’s not assholisch design and not greedy. In my opinion ofcource.
Aslong as it is skins and extra’s, i am okay with it.
Personnally, i have a few games i would have loved to spend 80€ on instead of 60€ and dlc money (like XCOM 2, Valkeryia Chronicles 4)
It’s just, no publisher will ever publish a game at 80€
So i’d like to know, would you have bought this game at 80€ (or 70€) if it had all it’s current dlc, knowing it will get more for free ?
I just think dlc feels worse, but publishers won’t risk selling at higher prices.
(I hate typing comments on my phone -_- why do i do this ?)
@@someitoj7591 It's greed. Costumes have always been part of the Resident Evil experience. It's not "extra." It's only extra because Capcom can charge you for it now and call it so. Resident Evil is a very popular triple A IP, there was no need for them to nickel and dime us on costumes. They sold 3 million units in 3 days. And their "free" DLC is just a replacement of the extreme battle mode that's missing from this remake despite Capcom having stated that all the modes will be included for free. So the way I see it, they just pushed the game out early, and made us wait for a mode that was meant to be in the game anyway.
I share your opinion on this.
You made my day, I didn't know they were re-releasing PS1 era Claire and Leon.
And three new stories, that are going to be for free!
"A RE2 remake without the scenario stuff would be like a Re3 remake without the choices"
Oh boy, if only he knew
I was thinking the same thing, the fact that they said they're focusing more on action has got me scared.. I got re3 pre ordered and I really hope the changes there making do the og version justice. But it is Capcom were talking about so who knows.
Richard Hernandez Fortunately they’ve got a pretty good track record as of the last like 5 years when it comes to to RE so I’m hopeful they can keep it up
@@Aintshitfunny Except the original RE3 was more action focused than RE2 years ago, and that was the point they were making when they said that. Capcom has been doing better with the series since REV 1-2, so they're not going to stop now.
The RE3 remake was ruined the moment the decided to change Jill's face and make her look like a 38 year old woman for some reason. Their Jill looks absolutely nothing like Jill at all. What is up with all these new game makers always wanting to change faces of iconic characters? Their faces matter! hat is how they look! I mean you don't see Nintendo going around and changing Mario's face right?
@@ExodusCore She doesn't look that old.
"as bad as remaking 3 without the Nemesis choices" Oh man you had to jinx it xD
I'm waiting it
i told people this would happen. i said when you have nothing but praise for re2r and won't even point out it's flaws, they have no incentive to do any better on 3, in fact after seeing how overly pleased most were with 2, they'll likely put even less effort into 3. and that's exactly what happened. seems like many are still praising and defending 3, so they still have no incentive to do better. i'm kinda expecting a code veronica remake, broken into 2 games and still not as good as the original.
Jack M why are people defending these remakes? I think they’re good RE games, just not good remakes, especially Re3 remake because it cuts the graveyard and clock tower areas and is super short.
@@punctuationman334 EXACLTY, despites the remakes doing good,(honestly I do like re2 remake, better then re3 remake) they can't beat the classics from resident evil games because these OG games are the best horror survival and put a special place of my heart.
@@vicentserrano9268 Same. I like the RE2 Remake and original RE2 and original RE3. This is coming from someone who hasn't played re2r or original RE3. RE3 Remake cut so much content.
31:25 “Would be like remaking Resident Evil 3 without the Nemesis choices”
Somebody should tell him
My biggest problem with this remake was the huge plot inconsistencies between scenario A and B and the character changes
That's really the only thing I hated about the remake (didn't play the original Claire B scenario, so I don't know about that).
Same, specifically how they butchered Leon. They made him some beta soy boy, where in the original, buddy was a chad. At least the original is still canon, so 4 years later it doesn't really matter but it still does bother me enough to be watching this lol.
that's the problem in general.
A remake should always do more than improve graphics or gameplay.
A good and proper remake should fill in the plot points and smooth out flaws in the story.
This remake would have the chance to fix the problems of the original. That you really see in the B scenario that someone has been there before me. Which would be awesome if there was an NPC walking around the police station. If you're Leon, there's a Clair walking around and vice versa. MGS2 even had that on a small scale where you as Raiden Snake could see how he fought his way to his destination.
Even better, an online coop.
@@NicerNine That’s a bit hyperbolic to refer to him as a beta male soya-infused whatever.
Are those the only 2 options? Chad or vegan vagina? 🤷🏻♂️
One extreme or the other?
If you throw out those labels, he’s just wet behind the ears because he’s young and insecure. He’s literally having to affirm himself by saying “I can do this!” when aiming his pistol.
He’s barely out of his teens and is being confronted with some crazy s**t on his first day on the job.
If you want to project yourself into some ultra menacing macho power fantasy, you can play Doom or God of War.
When I think “soy boy” I think of an embarrassingly spineless pussy, so I don’t see any of that in the 2019 version of Leon.
@@NicerNine Is the canon game stated anywhere because I'm curious?
the biggest sin is the lack of B scenarios.
100%
This game would have been near perfect with that and more cutscenes.
Dave Weaver hey 16 year old that didn’t get to play the original here, so what do you mean by lack of B scenarios, I’ve competed the game but Idk what that is
@@adc4836 The B scenarios were much different in terms of the following: Mr. X was only in the B scenario, new locations, different boss fights, different character interactions and tasks, etc. The B scenarios were basically what the other character was doing during their A scenario but made much more sense storyline wise as opposed to the remake. They were also a bit tougher than the A scenarios.
Ok... the B scenarios simply made the canon scenarios confusing granted the remake is still fairly confusing however the overall canon being leon B Claire A is a little bit more clear seeing as it still makes the most sense
i totally agree with the scenario B ...that was disappointed.the only difference is the first 30 minutes
And the last 10 min.
DaTruth683 yeah, definitely. The b scenarios for me were the most disappointing part. I wish the scenarios connected more and the characters had different bosses, or do less, and make the characters react as such, but still have to go through the level to follow the canon.
More like five or ten
Oh boy, you're really NOT going to like RE3's remake.
Shut up
@@Ryderboycolor9 you should probably hide your subscriptions because can tell you're not much of a thinker from who you're subbed to 😂😂😂
RE3 is straight trash.
@@Ryderboycolor9 Make me, bitch.
@@Mateoski97 LMAO
Thank you for bringing up the A and B campaigns. Everyone swore it was like a whole new game which drove me crazy because it was EXACTLY the same except for a couple very minor details.
How many of them people were sucked in by the easy to learn gameplay 3rd person camera. That’s one of the biggest things that Capcom did to bring popularity back to resident evil. How accessible it was and that’s fine. I enjoyed RE4,5, revelations 1&2 a lot. Just a lot of new people even people that started at 4 don’t know the originals still because they refuse to use tank controls. Despite resident evil 1 remake making the controls super fluid with the analogue sticks.
@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie We were all sucked in by that. The game would have flopped if they used the old tank style controls. These people were literally getting angry at me for saying that the A and B play throughs were almost exactly the same. They swore that it was like a whole new campaign and was so different. Even places like WhatCulture Gaming talked about the campaigns being very different. They just weren't though.
@Chase Schleich Honestly, I hope they don't bring back tank controls ever again, unless it truly works for the game. Yeah it was the same, and the fact that you can't choose a mode where you get one item in that location for both a-b sides, sucks. That was a cool idea in the original, and I've never played it. The game is at its best on the first scenario, and loses some traction in the second half, but still enjoyable none the less.
Yes, yes. And people got sucked into gaming cuz games were made more and more casual.
Then a developer like From Software comes along and puts hard difficulty back on the map and suddenly, every 3rd game wants to be a hard game.
The old resident evil tank controls were more of a strategy move that you had to take into account. Camera angles added more to the horror elements of feeling trapped with unknown sounds going on outside of view, making it even more horrifying.
Heck, even RE4 had complaints of still being clunky cuz you couldn't move while aiming, so they even fixed that.
But Capcom kept going the casual and more action based route until even the casual players reacted badly to RE6.
And it keeps repeating with re7 being praised by old schoolers, re2r being praised by people who don't remember or never played original RE2 and then re3r where even casuals complains about re3r.
Is re3r another reset button or will they continue another step before reaching RE6 standards again?
@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie you want to know something strange... That's my association with resident evil... The "tank controls"... When re and re2 came out... There were no joysticks on the controller... So you didn't have a choice... You had to use the directional pad.. And that was what I got used to... I had a hard time controlling anything that used a joystick on the PlayStation because I had to learn how to control things using a whole new system... All over again.... So not everyone hated the tank controls.. I have no problem with them... And actually for some games i strongly prefer it.... Try to fast turn using the joys.. It's really a directional button combo from re3 and even re4 you can still use the directional pad... Tank control are simply what I'm used to... and in re 4 it's easier to fast turn..
There is fast turn on re 2 the remake... But it's Incorporated into the joystick... I haven't once been able to use it correctly... And I keep turning when I don't want to by accident... For me it's horrible... I strongly prefer the old pad controller for walking!!! If you use the joy to move... And try to fast turn you end up going round and round and round and end up facing the wrong way and usually getting whomped or killed.. So sorry.. I like the old controls... And they should have the pad or joy controls on any game as an option where you can choose which you prefer all the time... On all games.. That would solve a lot of problems..
The absence of the AB scenario definitely was a big negative for me too. I was actually pretty pissed.
The noir costume is referencing The Evil Within. Shinji latest survival horror game
Since when you liked resident evil 😂😂😂
That's what I thought of. Is that officially stated anywhere? That's my favourite game of the last maybe fifteen years but it seems to be very polarising, so I was sceptical that they could be referencing that.
It's not a nod to RE4 Special costume?
@@bloodsoakedproductions766 No, RE4 had an Italian gangster outfit.
Leon noir costume has similarities to Joseph oda.
It seems they focused more on surface level elements of RE2 without looking to the deeper details of the game's charm.
Exactly. It's the little details that make the OG RE2 the better game.
I cant wait for the "What the RE3 original did better" video!
Everything
richv8077 Everything except Carlos’ hair
I mean I liked the hospital more in the remake
I was going to like your comment but im not going to be the one to ruin that number
Everything.
"What the?" - Leon Kennedy
"I can do this"
"Bastard"-Claire Redfield
“Jesus Christ” - Leon Kennedy
"Ugh Women"
Leon Sexless Kennedy
"Ugh is this a fucking joke"
Dude isn't lying... he really didn't say anything that was really "hating". As a longtime RE fan I pretty much agreed with everything he said.
The current gamer generation isnt that smart though.
To be fair, no remake will ever do 2 justice at this point, there’s too much attachment. but Capcom did a great job with the remake, and I’m happy RE is a good franchise again (since 7)
While I do prefer RE2make I am willing to admit the lack of the Zapping system was a pretty big issue and the fact that the only variation in bosses is the final boss for the scenarios are two things the remake did wrong and I personally feel like the way they should have done it was make 2 stories no B scenarios and have bosses exclusive to their scenes such as claire being the only one to take on G stage 1 and 4 with different locations for the sewer scenarios
Sonic roarin waters you know two stories would have been great. No AB for both of them. Instead add a mode in that allows us to use either character for each story that’s more about how fast we can get through if you want to.
he was so damn right about scenarios...
"would be like remaking Resident Evil 3 without the Nemesis choices"
*cut to news article of RE3make not having choices nor alternate endings*
I'm from the future, a lot of places has been removed
@@doddynuryanto3800 that's what happens when most people wouldn't even mention the flaws of re2r. i even remember telling some people that they have no incentive to do any better with re3r, in fact they'll probably put even less effort into it, and look what happened.
The choices didn't have that much of an impact anyway.
@@tahraki4918 they at least added some replayability, and the overall story was the same but interactions sometimes completely changed so the experience was different each time. And also fighting Nemesis in OG re3 was way more intense than re3make
@@tahraki4918 so they should remove it? Not improve it? Is that what you asked for? Take example from REremake they improve the mechanic keeps what is unique and expand it, this is video games not a novel, no need linearity
I think the issues of Leon's portrayal in this game stem from the fact that each team that works on Resident Evil always wants to do something different with him and can't seem to pick one and stick with it. Leon's the most inconsistently written protagonist in the whole series. Hell, even the artists can't seem to stick with a consistent hair color for him. Whether he's brunette, blond, or ginger depends entirely on the incarnation in question.
Claire's cursing in this game is nothing compared to Moira in Revelations 2. Now THAT was tryhard.
She was like an edgy teen
Moira was that way on purpose though.
@@TrenElZombie I know, embarrassing right? Watch how they swear in Robocop or Total Recall. THAT’s how you do it.
“We’ll listen chief, your company built the fucking thing. Now I gotta deal with it? I don’t have time for this bullshit!” 😂 Classic.
Jill was even worse. Carlos says he works for Umbrella and the way she delivers her line makes my skin crawl. “Are you kidding me? Are you fa-huuucking kidding me!?”
Despite this, Carlos falls at her feet and worships her like a beta male bitch for the entire game anyway
The rebellious potty mouthed teenager who swears because mummy and daddy don’t allow them to at home.
I completely agree with you bro. Hated how leon and Claire had hardly any dialogue with each other whatsoever
I always skip the cutscenes on repeat playthroughs. Always. They’re not the game’s strength and the dialogue comes off as something I could have written in high school. Maybe they were just pandering to angsty teens who think swearing makes someone a “badaaass”. That’s my suspicion 🤔.
I don’t play a lot of games but the Uncharted series and Jedi Fallen Order are miles better at the storytelling aspect of gaming than Capcom have ever managed.
In the 90s, the technical limitations of the time actually worked in RE2’s favour, or at least this forced them to come up with creative ways to set the tone and tell a story.
Namely, the environmental storytelling of pre-rendered backgrounds let you really soak in the atmosphere one room at a time. So often I’d walk through the police station and think “wow, what happened here!?”
The files would add to this, and the original game was free to reference the previous game because it was a direct follow up.
Notice how in the remake they don’t reference RE1 because they don’t know if it’s RE1 or the remake
No one mentions that Mr X looks like dolph lungren
I know right? I'm like drago didn't leave with his son after creed?
I did notice his lycra pants too.
Not in My game ......hes the double of the terminator ..........Ahh the modding in this game is great
He was plain and boring not scary just annoying tbh u can just run past him to on all mode he was nothing.
@@lyonhart8768 Mostly yes but on my first play through he did turn up on my way to clock tower in a room where i had to fight 2 lickers & 3 zombies , really caused me trouble having to fight all them & avoid him , almost put the mod in to remove him , but tbh he himself was not a problem no more than he was in the old games , my issue with it was the increased difficulty in the latter part of the police station , it got crazy & then when in sewers same thing , after that it went easy , to easy in the labs , was like the game could not make up its mind what mode of difficulty it was in or something , someone said it has some kind of dynamic difficulty base on how you play , maybe that was what was happening , but it was a good re imagining of resi 2 , not a remake in my opinion though , to much was changed
RIP Leon's voice actor :(
Indeed , RIP Paul Haddad , His last game that he voiced is a third person survival horror gem called “ Daymare 1998 “ A game that put RE2 and RE3 reboots to shame , I have that game in Honor Of Paul Haddad . 🙏🙏
@@shintenku That messy game doesn't put anything to shame. I understand it's a small team and indie game, but please..
@@stefanvujadinovic9991 Yes it does , It has better puzzles that actually challenges the brain , Great atmosphere , Interesting story , Good save room music , Full explorable City And locations , Good dismemberment Effect like being able to blow up any part of the zombies , All that with just 1% of the budget Crapcom put in to their sad games , Yet they have the audacity to charge more than 20$ of crappy useless DLC on top of the 60$ price tag , Also Shinji himself approved of Invader studio’s work , Yet here you are doing nothing but downplaying their passion and what they achieved , Graphics means jack shit if the art style , content , Atmosphere and gameplay in the game are shit .
Sorry lil bro just because a guy you liked voiced the game doesn't mean it puts mega company games with millions invested to shame. This game doesn't even get to REs worst game's feet. You are coping for some reason, but that's very much common sense, I'm sorry@@shintenku
Claire is actually the one I have the issue with over the two because in this game, she's nothing more than a college student, yet she goes full rambo against Birkin when in the original, she was actually scared and didn't have a choice.
Yes thank you, finally someone mentions this. She basically became a female rambo who swears all the time. But in the original game she's a naive and young girl who's the average girl who's just looking for her brother and is forced to enter combat because she has no choice, and she grows as the game goes on and becomes more brave and stronger. By the end she's pretty much become a fighter. Basically all that this build-up and Character work is gone in the remake. The Original did her so much better.
Your not the only one , As RE veteran since 1996 , All the characters are so cringeworthy and badly written , Minus Marvin
@@shintenku Yeah exactly, it's all Cringe in the remake. Especially the stuff with Leon & Ada
@@TheFEARSlayer01 When I bashed the hell out of this travesty on release day , People went witch hunting on me , called me every name and insult in the book , But now they see how this game failed to even come close to the original masterpiece from 1998 !? , Where the fuck were they when RE2 Reboot lunched !? , Or does shinny graphics matter the most to this disappointing generation and new gamers !?
@@shintenku yeah tbh it does feel like more people care about Graphics over Gameplay and heart. I'm not surprised you did get pretty much hunted for your opinion, and it's a shame you did. I wasn't around for the original when it came out due to being born in 2002, but upon playing it this year, I instantly just loved it and it made me despise this remake because of all the frankly bad alterations done. And on the graphics front: I much prefer the pre-rendered backgrounds and camera angles to the fully 3D behind the shoulder view of the Remake, it just feels more like RE with the camera angles and they were a part of the classic RE games 's charm.
Also, "Uniform or not, you do not hesitate." *Proceeds to decapitate Marvin with a shotgun.* You just won a suscriber.
My only problem with the game is the scenario system. Otherwise i think the remake measures up very well to the original.
This sums it up.
Agreed. That's really the only flaw. I feel like this is on par with the original, and even better in some ways.
^^^. Agreed
Mr M0nty my thoughts exactly. That’s the only problem with this gameZ the scenarios. I feel like drastically changing the game in both B scenarios could’ve made this game almost perfect. And differing choices as well could’ve made it better that alters character outcomes.
I didnt care for them merging elements of the B scenario with the A. Thus making the accual B scenario virtually pointless.
I love how he mentioned a RE3 remake without nemesis choices and then that’s EXACTLY what they did for RE3 remake 🤣
😅
He already joked about it in his RE3 review, this comment is totally pointless
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 you alright man
I remember buying the original RE2 for £50 in release day in the UK, the opening sequence was absolutely stunning, it set the scene for what was ahead. I never felt like that playing the remake.
i got the original on ps1 a few days ago for £30. booted it up and the opening sequence holds up SO well, and the backgrounds and visuals are still fantastic today. the remake looks great, don't get me wrong, but it just doesn't impress me as much as the original does.
I bought RE2 for the PS3's PSOne Classics for R$5.00 back in 2013. Played it for almost a decade. I don't think I'll ever spend that little money on something of such stellar caliber ever again.
As for RE2 REmake, I stopped playing it around 2020.
"Not immediately clear where the safe zone from the container is". The fight starts with the container in the position it'll come back to.
yeah and the devs also put a flashbang right next to the console so you can, you know, not mess up
Yeah I felt like when it came to the bullet sponge complaints and combat. It just seemed like it’s more of a user problem rather than the game. Tho there are some valid complaints even on hardcore mode I didn’t need a lot of ammo just the right kind. On Standard Mode I had a huge surplus of ammo lol I only go for head shots. Even when they’re in close proximity.
@@Altered-Stigma I actually stopped watching at that point. I gave it another go when I got the notification for this comment.
It took him SIX TRIES to successfully figure out to not stand in the position the container comes back to AND to make sure the enemy is down/stunned before calling it back so that you don't get grabbed.
I have absolutely no idea how anyone does that and thinks that it's the fault of the game. Fighting the same boss six times might be tedious, as he describes, but it's tedious as a consequence of being inept at figuring out and executing what is, essentially, a supremely easy puzzle, not as a result of bad game design.
Daniel Miles exactly lol. I died twice on the my first standard play though with Leon scenario A. I didn’t blame the game it was completely my fault. If I had moved quicker rather than hesitating both would’ve been avoidable.
First death was as Ada didn’t escape Mr. X quick enough haha. The second was at the final battle with Mr. X his one hit kill which is fairly easy to dodge.
The scenario part hurts the game very bad. We needed new story's for each run, not a single change when meeting Marvin
Agreed
The A / B scenario is pointless in this game. Devs (writers) failed trying to connect both scenarios ... so much wasted potential.
Yea it's really disappointing for a largely great game. I did Claire A and then Leon B but doing the reverse seems pretty pointless unless you're going for a hardcore run. If they did the A/B scenarios right I'd say this would have been the best RE game ever. I think 4 and the REmake might still be better though, including aspects of the original 2.
@@Deathkill06
RE remake literally had just two slightly altered versions of the same campaign and it cut all the different story paths. So I don't really get why you don't apply the same logic there.
@@trashaimgamer7822 Well for one, I was expecting more from the A/B scenario concept for the RE2 remake but as for the REmake, it's still more varied than the RE2 remake. There's different events, boss fights and a couple of different routes you can go with each character for their story.
The fixed camera angles were going to be an unlockable extra in the remake. The auto-aim on easy mode is a leftover from that.
They removed it at the 11th hour because some high-flying cocksnot decided they wanted to double down on the over-the-shoulder presentation and having a fixed camera option might detract from that. I’d love to get my hands on the little corporate weasel who decided that 🤬
What drives me even crazier is that Capcom will happily charge consumers to download silly DLC costumes that look like it’s 1998 but they won’t throw in fixed camera, even for a price?
The same goes for re-releasing the original 3 games on the PS Store. Just, why not?
Fans of this series go way back to 1996 ffs and we don’t all have high spec PCs for replaying them.
Fixed cameras are an ancient relic of the part when companies couldn’t make good looking 3D models so they used a fixed camera to render an environment with better detail. It’s unnecessary and not fun to play in the modern era.
@@Devin7Eleven Says you bud. Tormented Souls and The Resident Evi l1 remake were appreciated.
I agree with how characters were portrayed, literally the only one I thought was improved was kendo and Marvin
Shame neither really does anything important. Marvin just spouts exposition that the player could have figured out on their own with the journal they got moments prior and Gun Shop Owner added dick to the story outside of totes knowing one of the characters from the first game. Which means nothing given how his screentime barely clocked in at a minute
True
Little late comment but true. The characters are a huge drop in quality from the original.
Yeah they really weakened Leon
for me the weakest performance was Ada, hell it's not even close to the same OG Ada. i get that Capcom no longer has Sally Cahill but dang, when she left so did Ada's personality apparently.
i was a bit peeved at how they just have identical scenes for a and b, meaning they cant possibly be happening at the same time, and im wondering if they were rushed or if they just couldnt be bothered planning it properly. the games still amazing though.
They originally planned to not include a B scenario. It was added last minute and it's abundantly clear.
I thought Clair’s would be different but it’s almost the same. So lame
You made alot of sense. The scenario and continuity errors pissed me off too especially ESPECIALLY with the amount of time they had on it
crazy they did a better job with the story 21 years ago..
Time, money and fans' support
"its like remaking resident evil 3 without the nemesis choices"
capcom: 🧐
I prefer the original RE2 than the remake version. Oddly enough, one of my favorite game remakes is the REmake, which I prefer over than the original RE.
I don't know anyone who would put the '96 version of RE above the REmake
@@camrencarpenter8085 there are a couple of things I like in the original that REmake changes. For one, the room designs have a bigger color pallete, but feel more uncanny and empty and that helps make them more memorable. I also would have loved an option for the original meme-legendary dialogue in some of those scenes And, the crow gallery puzzle was better imo. However, REmake did a ton of things better than the original, and I generally like it more.
The RE make was the best remake ever. That should've been their basis for creating these reimaginings. Im so fucking pissed right now. Re 1 was copy pasted and improved with extra storylines that added so much to the story. They were so focused brandishing their new engine they forgot to actually make a decent plot and story line. And the fact that they cut so many things from RE3 im so fucking pissed.
@@emmafrost16 REmake was more than a copy paste. 70% of the game was new including new locations, new puzzles, Crimson Heads, and defense items.
@@emmafrost16 If only the Remakes of 2 and 3 would have been made by Shinji Mikami and his team
My problem with the game is that when you consider how much of the original content was consolidated, retconned, and omitted, they didn't do a very good job filling the gaps with new substance. The new A & B scenarios were a completely missed opportunity to improve the continuity. They didn't even need to break the bank like they did with RE6, all they had to do was shuffle some events around, split the puzzles and have some shortcuts appear in the back half of the campaigns that become explained when you play the opposite campaign. Just as an example, Leon didn't need to fight G1(and G2) imo, they could have easily replaced it with some sort of Tyrant themed encounter. (Maybe Leon gets chased by the Tyrant and it knocks over the cabinet that Claire later finds Sherry hiding behind, then Leon gets away from the Tyrant by triggering the lever that creates the gap in the scaffolding) Don't even get me started on how Claire and Leon both fight G2 at the exact same time to rescue Sherry and Ada, who are both trapped in the same room at the same time. Or how Annette dies like 3 times.
Tl;dr: You can really feel them struggling to stretch the budget. It felt like halfway through development they decided they wanted to get really ambitious with the project, but then quickly backed down from it when they realized how much it would bloat the scope of the game. It really starts to show when you play Scenario B and in the post-game content.
Sometimes I feel like they were almost cancelled and had to rush parts of the game. Considering we didn't hear nothing for a long time during development.
Apparently Capcom had mentioned a few months out from release that there wouldn't be any A/B scenarios and it'd all just be one, but fans flipped over it so they scrambled to get it in anyway.
I really like your idea though, I think they could've made that work with minimal changes to the place where Leon would fight G1. That staircase covered in barrels for example could be open instead, maybe you'd need to find a key to get the crane working, then X comes out and you have to run away from him, pulling down those barrels and that shelf to get enough time to get the crane in place before rushing across.
I don't know if X is smart enough to use computers, but the key could be left there and now you have the reason why it works for Claire and she fights G1 instead. Then you just flip them for the other scenarios. It sounds relatively simple, though you might need to add in obstacles in the machinery area to keep it interesting for Leon.
@@ARandomMonitor Hm, if that's the case, I think I would have preferred one giant campaign that included appropriately timed segments of gameplay for Claire.
RexVergstrong dude... no. I’m tired of hearing this with every game. They did what they could. It’s not an unfinished game. They fucked up and didn’t have enough time, and had to scope it back. This is a common thing in game development.
If it’s because they first not going to make AB scenario but then adding it afterwards, I think it’s forgivable to have such crappy AB scenarios we have right now.
But if not I think they did a really bad job with the scenarios right now
I missed the variety of enemy types - crows, spiders and the giant moth were missing
Yeah the game have what? normal Zombies, that Blind thing, that plant thing and that nemesis prototype mister X
@@yukinezx342 lickers and ivies
@@yukinezx342 and dogs
@BRGammell They don't replace the spiders. They're a boss from the original downgraded to a regular enemy.
@BRGammell those blobs were in the original resident evil 2 but there was only one
I think we all OG players did the same thing, beat the game four times in a row to get all the Scenario A/B and then got super disappointed at the remake over the worse scenarios.
31:25 this aged like wine
indeed, kind sad.
the classic soundtrack should have been an unlock for beating the game rather then a money grab DLC
exactly!
Dude, it is Capcom. It was obvious that they were going for the easy money.
Roman prost esti Adrian. Capcom releasing free dlc for theyr games most of the time since monster hunter world. A few bucks is nothing. Dar cand esti o saracie ca Liviu, te plangi de cativa lei cand primeste 4 ghost survivors moca.
@@teodavid3764 i only speak English.. so youll have to repeat it all in English not part in.. . whatever other language your speaking
Agreed
Going to start by saying you're allowed to have your opinion. My thoughts are with Ada saying that she's FBI and presenting a badge. How are you going to question that as a rookie cop first day on the job. C'mon man. I wouldn't question that either.
Veowolf especially when there’s a zombie apocalypse and she just saved your ass.
@@wwld9823 True. Sounds to me like hindsight is the problem with this because us the fans already knew who Ada was and what she was about that the fact Leon believed her without question rubs some people the wrong way.
Veowolf yeah for real dude no one would
REmake 2 is my first RE game. I've never played Resident Evil 2 before nor did I know Ada Wong was a baddie. But guess what? When I saw one single woman walk in and say she's FBI I thought that was the most retarded thing you could ever possibly do. I mean really? The FBI would send in one god damn agent alone, with a tiny pistol in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?
I knew something was up, but I guessed first that she must've had superpowers or something if she managed to live through a zombie apocalypse alone before finding out she was a bad guy.
Wew Lad She could.have been undercover and then got caught up in the middle of the break. It's reasonable to at least think that much when everythings all gone to hell, plus she saved his life more then once why would he have any reason to doubt her???
I really love this remake, yet I also agree with everything you pointed out. Anybody disliking this video must not have grown up with the original RE2.
Or they thought his issue with more personal grievances rather than actual flaws.
@@fightingmedialounge519 they are flaws that are personal grievances
@@Spitfire77077 not really. Personal grievances are issues you have that aren't necessarily applicable to other people's experience; where as a flaw is a problem that is applicable no matter the person. Most of what he said falls into the former category; like him saying he never cared much for resident evil boss fights and likes them when their shorter.
@@fightingmedialounge519 I really feel your a contrarian and just like to argue, nothing he said in the video was even wrong, or goes against what anyone would think of fans of the originals
@@Spitfire77077 no, I'm just using common sense and recognize that people aren't going take issues with the same thing. He may dislike boss battles in resident evil, but that doesn't mean other people will feel the same way, and aren't happy that the boss battles in this game offers more to them. Doesn't mean he's wrong for feeling that way, but him feeling that way doesn't mean others are going to feel the same, nor should he or anyone else be surprised when they don't have the same issues he does. Calm down and Lower your shields. This isn't a personal attack. It's a basic observation. I can point to several videos in which the person has played the original resident evil 2, but enjoys the remake just as much, and even think it improves the game in some areas.
I’m still disappointed to this day. Should’ve been remade at least 16 years ago to prevent modern updates that destroyed the charm and instead of favoring modern players who never touched the older games.
Age has nothing to do with it. Stop pretending like fixed cameras are the only way to go
While I don't agree with some of the topics you had brought up, I don't think you deserve the amount of dislikes you're getting. I feel like you explained your criticisms well enough to warrant a well understanding of where you're coming from. Some love it and some hate it and that's ok, everyone. It's good to criticize once in a while. We now have two Resident Evil 2's so everyone wins here.
This is very true. I'm replaying the original right now and it's just so different. We have two RE2s. No problem there.
@Hentai Commander. Nobody is gonna take you seriously with that name lol
Indeed. People are very emotional these days, the points he brought up are very valid. Say that RE2 "Remake" is a perfect game, or perfect remake is beyond ridiculous. Not such thing ever exists.
Agreed, too many people being babies these days.
It's really sad that we as a species has turned into this feefee society where the feefee's comes first instead of simply respecting others opinions without trash talking anyone in return for simply stating them.
I pointed a few flaws out myself that was mentioned in the video that I didn't agree with, but at the very least I didn't mention it in a way where I was being disrespectful and that's what counts because lets face it, I don't take anyones perfectly sane opinions as an insult I can acknowledge them as a simple opinion and disagree with them in return with respect as well as a quote "normal" human being, instead of being one of the coward butt hurt bs cry baby whiners that we all hear and read from too often these days.
Didn't mind paying 3€'s for a soundtrack though.
It's like buying some candy, not really anything to feel like a money grab in my opinion.
@@Revixy ,Yea 3$ isnt that expensive,but imagive each people buying a candy ,they will make a ton of money
Yup, This remake ruined Leon & Sherry's relationship, coz Now, Claire became the only who helped Sherry !!
heck, Leon just like, "Who's this ?" at the ending of the game.. Really, Capcom ?!?!
True that, supposedly Sherry cares for both Leon and Claire, but now its just "Leon? Oh yeah, that dude that showed up in the train..."
@@sosaalexis48 yup n yup !
Yeah Leon supposed to met Sherry in the Police Station . Because G Birkin following her. but in Remake it didn't Good Gameplay but bad scenario mechanics. they should make the game different path from first and second run. not the same as they.
Exactly! This shows up in Re6 when they meet up in China, and you can see that they are fond of each other, with Leon even attempting to protect her. But following this game it doesnt seem like Leon should have any real reason to care about Sherry other than she escaped with him.
It now makes Leon and Sherries encounters in Resi 6 meaningless
Ada's cover story of supposedly being a normal civilian just looking for her boyfriend in the original RE2 was a lot more believable than "Yes I'm definitely an FBI agent trying to get a sample of the G-Virus to expose Umbrella and not at all working for a rival company."
I mean she's at the police station so it works out.
Plus Leon doesn't know about Umbrella running Raccoon City; maybe he's even completely new to Umbrella itself. How would he assume that there's even a rival company, especially with Ada saying "welcome to corporate America", which implies her despising it?
I think it's you experiencing hindsight bias and honestly you having a lack of empathy - you know - putting yourself in someone else's shoes and that "someone else" being some guy in his very early 20s very fresh from the police academy, which he probably started attending right after high school so he didn't have much time to educate himself on the real word on the internet, which wasn't even something the average Joe had access to anyway.
@@47Mortuus Why are you criticizing his opinion? It's his opinion and it's valid. Move along.
@@aurancrash4654 How are opinions immune to criticism?
Worst case, opinions attempt to invalidate _truth_ _itself_ . Opinions are - by definition - _subjective_ and thus rather unlikely to be congruent with objective perception and can thus be falsified; what you're saying boils down to "opinions are always objectively true", which is just ludicrous. This kind of view is dangerous and in countries like Germany/Austria get's you into jail, if you express a certain kind of opinion.
In this specific case OP is nearly always incorrect anyway, since Leon is fictional and OP is almost certainly not the writer for his character.
My comment also just meant to... 1st initiate further discussion, which is never bad... and 2nd suggest to OP to look at stories from a new perspective, that being the perspective of the actual characters involved and not themself. Your comment, in comparison, is absolutely worthless.
PS: If you want to express your snowflake "ItS mY oPiNiOn" attitude so badly, at least be consistent and don't assume the gender of some person on the internet ;) Oh and... don't tell me what (not) to do, okay? Who tf do you think you are?
@@47Mortuus Because it's his opinion on a piece of interactive entertainment. Who are you to tell him how to perceive it? Of course he's biased but I can say the same about you. You have no right to tell him whether his views are correct or not. You can disagree with him but you cannot tell him he is wrong. Whether or not something is believable it's not objectively debatable. If he stated that Ada wasn't in the game and your stated otherwise then you would be objective and correct.
@@47Mortuus So you edited your comment, eh? Hilarious. You knew you screwed up and then edited your comment to challenge mine. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. You want to criticize him? Go ahead. If you want to pretend this game is your baby and his opinion offends you that much, then that is a problem with you. Getting mad at me isn't going to make your insecurities go away. Good day, dude.
Right, Ada’s coat is weird, but her walking around the zombie apocalypse in a tight dress and heels, on the other hand, makes complete sense.
That point felt like a personal issue rather than an actual critique
it makes sense for Ada
I don't find her classic outfit bad, female FBI agents wore heels, like Agent Scully in X-Files. Her dress isn't even skimpy or very tight, she has leggings/pants, and actually has flat-footed shoes in the PSX versions, plus it's too hot for a heavy coat in September/early Octonber and contradicts Jill's RE3 attire, and who does she think she is with those shades at night? Wesker? "Realistic" my ass.
And she wears the same dress under the coat anyways, so...
Maybe not the heels but I honestly think the dress is fine if we're allowing Claire to walk around in a sleeveless jacket. Would've made more sense of they just used a slightly altered version of her alt costume from re4, that would work better.
I totally agree with all your points, I liked this game and appreciate their work on it but character development and stories were much better in the 98 version. I would also add they missed any reference to the RE1 events included but not limited to: Ada backstory with John, Marvin explaining what he knew about STARS investigation, Claire mentioning Jill in her end scene.
When did Claire mention Jill?
I'm late to this convo...but that's what I'm wondering.
The best way I would describe the changes in the remake in terms of tone would be, "How would RE2 look as a movie?" and I think it nails that.
And we all know that videogame based movies are REALLY BAD...
@@ocdman3910 Only because they hand them to stupid boomers and Gen X-ers who've only ever played Pacman.
@@RichterTheRat exactly, or even people who never played a videogame in their life
Yes and I watched the RE Dark Chronicle movie game and it was pretty good...,
@@ocdman3910 Because most movie-videogame adaptations are made by people who don’t know or care about the game, they just use the title to make money.
Funny story. I'm playing through the remake again after several months, found this, and can't help but laugh. Everything you said is right, and the RE team has only gone farther away from what made the classics good. Still hoping for a Cod Veronica remake though. See how much of that they absolutely bananas with.
I wasn't aware Veronica was a fish.
@@SavouryGalette Capcom are gonna remake it just for the halibut 🐟
@@CursedWheelieBin Dear God, not the bad puns.
I’m 99% sure the second playthrough in RE2make was a last minute thing. Because when they were asked about it a few months before the game was released, they didn’t even have an answer for it, but they did have a coy answer for the Hunk and Tofu scenarios.
That’s true. Just goes to show some developers wanna be associated with putting out the best product possible whereas some sleazy marketing pricks just wanna push the game out the door and think that brand recognition is all that matters
They also removed fixed camera being an unlockable extra. The auto aim in easy mode is a leftover from that.
You're goddamn right!
Both of B scenarios is one huge disappointment!
I preferred the original 32-bit Chief Brian Irons over the remade Irons. In the original, he was the disturbed psychopath whose town had gone to hell. "Nobody's going to leave my town - everybody's gong to die!" In the remade, he is just a one-dimensional bad guy.
Yeah, his characterization was way better and mysteriously evil. In the RE2 REimagined garbage, he was a typical uninspired shit villain that felt rushed.
12:11 I agree here.
Part of the reason I didn't find RE2 scary was cause Claire and Leon felt like action heros.
Everyone does in every re game except maybe Rebecca
I’ve always found they’re more like that towards the end, like the 3rd act of a movie where the characters work against the problem and ultimately overcome it
My gripes about the game:
- Lack of scary music (RE1 Remake people)
- I agree Leon and Claire are way too lax for the situation
- Ada was made less badass
- Final Boss fight sucked.
I loved the remake but that’s because I never played the original. I love the critiques here and I can see you’re a very passionate fan of this game series. Keep up the great work!
You can play the classic games through an emulator.
You probably won’t appreciate the originals if you grew up playing modern games. They came out a time when this was cutting edge and really exciting. That’s often where half the enjoyment even comes from
I understand why people like the new ones especially ones who had no expectations going in other than its a new game with shiny bells n whistles but for someone like me who's waited years after re1 remake my expectations were high and sadly not met fun game though
I'm happy this video exists. The remake was great, but it cut out things from the original that are noticeable. There were many times when I was playing where I was waiting to get something I knew was in the original, only to never find it.
The original has a special place in my heart, and the remake couldn't take that over. It changed too much.
Glad someone else found an issue with the characterizations of the two main leads in this game.
I like your just giving honest criticisms while showing it’s positives as well
What positives? Outside of the camera being put behind the characters back there wasn't a single shred of effort put into the game
@@jeremyallen492 haha you are right.
The continuity between both A and B scenarios of the original game was never consistent with each other to begin with, so I was hoping Capcom would fix that with the remake. They unfortunately didn't, but that doesn't mean that the remake isn't great. I prefer to see the official canon of both as some sort of combination of both A and B in this case.
Jacob It kinda was in the A campaigns. The B campaigns were not going to originally be included until after fans were upset with the move.
Jacob Well the remake is canon indeed. I just take it as There were two Mr. X’s and the remake retconned it that way. G kills one. Leon kills the other.
Annette passes out next to Sherry. She wakes up and heads to the other side and shoots Ada and she dies there.
There are some retcons in the canon. But the story draws the same outcome as the original.
The repeated boss fights and repeated scenes but character swap are just that. Gameplay over narrative. Claire first run Leon second run is still the most accurate version of the story in the remake.
@@OWmyDragonballz The original RE2 shows Mr. X get dropped from a helicopter carrying several other tyrants in containers, so he was never meant to be a one-of-a-kind monster.
Courtney Valdez Um. In the original those other tyrants were there for another purpose. They went somewhere else.
@@OWmyDragonballz Not what I was saying. My point is that it is established within RE lore that there were multiple Mr. X type tyrants, so it's really not much of a theory to say there could have been two of them stalking around the police station. However, it's ultimately pointless to try to make sense of it in the first place because the remake's two "runs" are more akin to alternate tellings rather than two interweaving plot threads and, as a result, we aren't expected to reconcile the two "scenarios"--long story short, there's no reason to try to justify the "multiple Mr. X" theory in the remake, as both stories cannot have happened simultaneously as presented in the game. If anything, any future RE games that refer back to the remake will probably only refer to Leon and Claire's specific plot points (Ada and Ben for Leon, Sherry and Irons for Claire) while glossing over everything else as some sort of "we were both there for the other stuff" thing. It's what they did for the original RE over twenty years ago.
Also the absence of the crows that smash through the windows in the east hallway
And Giant Spiders. :(
@@Ineedgames oh yeah! I knew i was missing something. I always imagined seeing them with a nest in the sewers with some zombies stuck in them for atmosphere purposes plus it gives more use of the blue herbs. I didnt use a single one my first playthrough even with g monsters around
Basically, they cut out the infected crows, giant spiders, giant moths, moth larvae, and the poisonous Ivy variants. Also, the giant cockroaches are still in the game, but are now harmless, further solidifying the fact that there is not a single enemy, which could play the role as small fry enemies.
@@markcobuzzi826 At least there's those (actually quite horrible) new monsters in the sewers.
@Our Old House
Those are not really new monsters, just the the G Spawn from the original RE2 being rebranded as a recurring heavyweight enemy, rather than an alternate first boss. I actually always wanted to have them function as enemies, which there are more than one of, so I liked that part. My only minor wishes were that:
A.) They didn’t all look exactly the same and Capcom incorporated at least a few cosmetic differences to illustrate the random chaotic nature of the G-Virus (like maybe when you blast away that outside hunk of flesh, a massive heart or lump of brain matter might occasionally be revealed, instead of it always being a giant eye).
B.) They didn’t poison you, since I always found that more appropriate for monsters like giant bugs and the poisonous Ivy variants, if those were actually included.
C.) You needed to burn them to guarantee they could not get back up again, similar to the Ivies, since they are G creatures and should at least have some degree of regeneration.
I feel like Capcom is trying to reboot the series lore with all these subpar “remakes.” While completely forgetting to acknowledge canon lore and og games, and somehow try to weave in this new universe with the 7 & 8 game lore.
The main issue is that RE has gone mainstream, so mainstream that it’s way passed the video games. Literally like most people nowadays know about RE from the life action movies, RE4 and these resent games (RE7 onward). This means Capcom has long given up on accommodating the hardcore RE fan base that has been playing since the PS1 days. They’re pandering to the masses in every aspect, to the point that no modern RE game has every core characteristic that makes Resident Evil, well, Resident Evil.
I’m not that type of person to say the og games are perfect and that RE should only be fixed camera and static backgrounds and tank controls, although an option for the latter should always be included. But god damn have we strayed from what separated RE from any other horror, horror/action, suspense games.
I won’t get into all the aspects of how bad these new iterations of RE are when compared to the originals, passed the whole ignorant and naive “but muh graphics bruh.” :|
But just the fact that you now have to select Hardcore difficulty to be able to use ink ribbons to save the game, A FUCKING FUNDAMENTAL AND CORE ASPECT OF RESIDENT EVIL, single-handedly proves that RE is no longer the same, down to its core, and that Capcom has long given up on appealing to the original fans and put the generation of profits over making good RE games that are actually RE games & not these wannabes.
Like The Offspring said tho, the world loves wannabes.
I agree with 100% of your opinions here but you got a crucial thing (half) wrong. The 2 and 3 remakes aren't canon with RE7 and RE8, the 2 and 3 remakes are just canon with eachother and nothing else, so yes technically reboots. Maybe you knew this and I just comprehended what you said wrongly but my way of thought is, the more people that know the 2 and 3 remakes aren't canon, the better.
I hate how mainstream resident evil has gotten. Everything from 7 onward is not resident evil to me. I enjoyed everything from the series up to that point. The developers and publisher are not the same, don't have the same ideals and vision for the series and show a clear disdain for their older titles. The fans are not the same and don't have respect for the original games and what made the series what it was. The 2 of these have bastardized the franchise and turned it into something unrecognizable to me
*Matt McMuscles* sent me here, even though I've watched this before.
There's a CZcamsr named *Ruby of Blue* , who made a 2½ hour video about RE2:REMAKE that you would agree more, and disagree very less with him. And he talked about the things you probably didn't know or missed out on the 2nd Remake.
Thanks for pointing towards the Ruby of Blue video.
That thing was a surprisingly good watch and deserves more attention.
I found him a little annoying, but he certainly by far had the most in depth review of RE2 & RE3 as well. I give him major props for that. He bought up several points he that I didn't even notice until watching his review.
6 tries on the crane fight?! 😂
well it's the hardest thing in the game if you don't use any ammo and just try to evade all attacks.
@@RyuSaarva unless you suck at the game no it is not
ah lol, it's just goes against my survival horror gameplay style, why waste bullets when you can just kill it with the crane alone, with flamethrower that fight is very easy.
No. The hardest part of the game is the freakin plant laboratory. I know what to do, but the lickers, plant zombies, and regular zombies kill me a lot. I save all my ammo for that part now.
I actually find the lab area to be the easiest part of the game and depending which scenario you play you can either avoid all zombies or most of them without using any ammo.
I'm so glad you brought up the "I got this" moment from Claire, willingly jumping into a fight with G3 Birkin. I had the exact same reaction.. Another moment when when Annette subdues G2 Birkin and hes down for a bit, and Claire (or Leon)and Annette just casually walk up to this monster up close and proceed to carry on a conversation; In the original game I guarantee the next line from Leon or Claire would've been "ok hes down..let's get the hell out of here!" But G3 Birkin catches up to them later on. That's the difference in terms of how the characters were presented in those situations. It actually felt more real in terms to how the character responded then, because they were in a situation where they HAD to fight this thing. Don't get me wrong, I love this remake and I can't wait for RE3. But they are a lot of valid points made in the video.
Gotta be honest, when a character mans up and says something like that people are mad because you have to fight and they don't want to. While I'm out here supporting the Character for saying that. Yes i may not want to fight it but sooner or later, we will have to fight it.
So ummm…..RE3 remake 😂
You're forgetting the biggest element about boss fights that makes them awesome in the original:
The grueling sounds and suspenseful transformations, including a very small detail i only recently noticed;
Where when fighting G2 and you hurt him enough, before he stumbles and the fight ends, the original head struggles to take control back from the virus.
Along with the unexpected surprise made you ask yourself " how the heck am I gonna kill this?!"
Even if the boss fight was just pull out big gun and shoot.
Not only that but honestly I prefer the original G4 because even though the body is being destroyed and regenerated the evolutions are purposeful.
In the remake they opted for the degeneration instead, when it was only prominent on G5.
This game reeks of corporate cynicism. Instead of building upon the original in any meaningful ways (I.E. adding content that was cut from the original due to the PS1s hardware limitations, fully fleshing out the B scenarios etc) Crapcom cut as many corners as possible to get it out the door as quickly as possible because they knew it'd sell like crazy despite it's abysmally low amount of content.
I agree. That's why the Resident Evil 1 remake, still holds the crown for the greatest remake. They had two wonderful opportunities to give both RE2 and RE3 a makeover, in a respectful way, but wasted them.
@@BloodyBrawler92 greatest remake? The REmake was just the original but all the minor annoyances were cranked up to their most obnoxious extremes for the sake of adding an artificial layer of "challenge" to the game.
@@jeremyallen492 As well as to improve and expand. I wasn't disagreeing with you. REmake 1 wasn't everybody's slice of pie, but I'd take it over the lousy attempts of shitmake 2 and 3 any day.
I can say this a million times. My biggest problem is the scenarios. There are no real differences between an A and B scenario.
Edit: You pretty much described how I feel about this game. It's good, but a lot of lazy aspects.
the gameplay is good. the story, characters, and soundtrack took a major hit which also impacts the atmosphere making it quite a generic feel to the atmosphere.
@@ourevilone exactly, every character except Claire to me, was better in the original. And there is honestly no reason to play the B scenarios unless you want to unlock everything.
I heard that the B scenario is not what the alternate character was doing while you were playing the A scenario. B scenario is basically saying "ok scene A character never fought the bosses but progressed through the story. Here's a .45 and take care of them."
@@Luisp1992 that's stupid then. In the original, B scenario was what the alternative character was doing, albeit with a few contingencies errors. I find in so lazy that the remake changes only the pistol and its ammo and places of the key items. Everything else is literally the same. This means we will never know what the other character is doing, its doo doo logic
@@ourevilone None of those things took a major hit. Everything is either equal or greater than the original. The soundtrack is a lot more fitting and not as overbearing as it was in the original game and the atmosphere is much improved in the remake.
The absence of zombie Brad is one of my biggest disappointments. Nevertheless I patiently await the Nemesis remake.
i have to agree with you.
Good thing is, it shouldn't take as long to make a RE3 remake as they already have the engine made and some of the assets (well probably most) can be reused in RE3 (since they are both taken in the same place around the same time)
When I started the 2nd scenario I was expecting him to turn up right at the start and it never happened, haha
me too ^^ hope my beloved re3 will be as good as re2 maybe even better i just loved re 3so much more
YES! could be a sign that they werent going to do anymore
Completely agree. What I can't get my head round is the new Canon, we've always been told its Claire A and Leon B. But in this game Claire B Leon A feels much more canon! I think the A/B component was put into this game late as I believe they originally did a way with it. I think my issue is it felt more basic and linear than the original, I feel like they could've took tips off RE7 in regards to the puzzles and the replayability factor of being able to take different routes to complete a task. I also believe this game felt very short and the environment around the character never came to life as the path to take was very narrow. With this in mind, I believe they deviated from the original police station layout too much.
A point if I may about the characters. I believe in the remake they make the characters digestible in a Hollywood style way, as opposed to the video game way in the original. With chief irons and Anette, there's build up and running around to complete puzzles before character depth is revealed. It's just very quick. Also, Kendo was one of the most iconic scenes in the original. Meeting him happened right off the bat and the seriousness of the zombies breaking through added to the threat. Again, kendo was 'Hollywoodised' and given a daughter and 1 cutscene. They went for something different. But that should've been left alone and serviced to the fans with respect.
In a sense, this game felt rushed. Just a few tweaks and minor improvements, RE2 remake could've competed with the original.
RE2/RE3 should’ve been given the same treatment as REmake.
1:45 haha jaw droppingly impressive :D
That guy clearly died because he was too impressed by the game.
Crane boss can be actually hit only once if you did good amount of damage to him before
Not only that, it's also based on his placement. You can one shot him by getting him on the edge of where the crane comes from, throw a flashbang and he's done for.
@@mspaint5892 I didn't know that, thanks :) (but I also didn't played the game)
Yeah but why waste ammo when you can flash bang him after the first crane hit to finish him off?
@@woweezowie5826 Two flashbangs is pretty wasteful on that boss. Or one flashbang + ammo for that matter.
getting him close to the edge and hitting the button for the crane wont work. It'll still need to hit the button twice. And a flashbang plus one hit of he button wont work either. Finished the game 5x neither of those two worked.
Here's another thing the original game got right that the new one got wrong, the cars for the time period. The police cruiser most closely resembles a 77-90 Chevrolet Impala/Caprice (box shaped body). By '98, if any of those were still being used, they were few and far between. Most by that time had either leftover '91-96 Chevrolet Caprice (with their distinctive round body design) or 92-98 Ford Crown Victorias. Even if this department had the "box Chevys" there are a couple more errors like the car having a console shifter vs. a column shifter (if there were console shifters in that era of Impala/Caprice, they were rare and not frequently chosen by police departments as column shifters are specially made for many modern police packages which are not even offered on civilian models versions. Also, the key fob used to open the truck is a combination of key and fob as one piece. Domestic cars didn't start to offer such a thing until the mid 2000s. A box era Impala/Caprice had the square key (ignition) and round key (doors and trunk). The other white cars with more rounded styling most closely resembles a 06-14 W-body Impala, a more accurate choice would have been to style it more closely to the 95-99 Chevy Lumina (also a W body) which was offered in a police package (just not a very common one at the time).
Also if a 90s car had a remote for opening the doors or trunk, it was independent of the keys just added to the key ring.
31:25 uh dude they did remake resident evil 3 without the nemesis choices
i was just thinking that!
Uh, dude, this video came out before the RE3make came out.
For a second there I thought this was just going a salty review with weak points before I watched the video. I believed the remake was superior gameplay-wise but I still felt something just seemed off storywise. Then you come over here and nail all the details that are missing from the original that I completely overlooked while playing REmake. I gotta say well done my dude it can't be unseen now haha.
Spya exactly what I thought after completing the REmake
The story feels undone it seems even Marvin dunno about Arklay Mansion unlesss Devs don't wanna spoil it and Chris Redfield on Vacay in EU? That look like code Veronica there.
And the voice acted for Leon was weak everything he said had no effort in his voice.
yeah how the story interconnects to the gameplay really produced some major errors like the g boss fights, cap com played it a bit too safe with this games story, they could of increased the quality massively instead of a small margin like the voice acting, but even that wasn't enough for a more "cinematic" feel, its still an excellent and well done game, but it could be so much better; also the story was actually a bit more cohesive in the og than the remake e.g. Leon and Claire meeting up in the stars office
The altered personalities and change in scenarios immediately stands out in your back-to-back analysis. I kept asking the same questions too; these aren’t the characters and events I remember, but nobody brings it up. It’s curious that the game gets near perfect ratings, almost nobody brings up these criticisms, and anybody who does gets hammered. Perhaps this is because the game was made for new audiences not the old ones and the new audiences just don’t care about these changes.
Not really. I've seen plenty of reviewers who grew up with the original that like the re make just as much if not more than the 98 game. It's more of a personal preference thing.
You are 100% right
@@fightingmedialounge519 no you are wrong
@@theshredguitarist25 no, but thanks for participating.
Years later and this video is still the best video to ever exist on this matter of discussing the original vs the remake. And like you said if people dont agree with what you have to say they dont need to watch :)
I 100% agree. He even mentioned my biggest problem which I barely see people talk about, that's how they butchered Leon by making him soy.
@@NicerNine exactly. A soy boy cant be a cop… 🤬🤬🤬 makes me so mad.
@@NicerNine he acts like a pushover and scared the entire game. Not an ounce of backbone to him. Seems more like a civilian than cop. Idk how he passed and was able to become a cop… in the original even though he was scared he still acted like a cop. Someone that wanted to uphold the law. Not a scared civilian.
@@theshredguitarist25 I 100% agree. They made Ada saves his life 2 times before he even saved her once and she was the one to lead the way. The original was the complete opposite, Leon saved Ada's life 3 times before she even saved him once and he was the one to mostly lead the way. It sucks that the remake ruined this but at least the original 2 is still the canon RE2 and the 2 remake isn't, this fact makes it where I'm able to appreciate the remake for simply it's gameplay and just skip the cutscenes.
RE2 remake can be summarised as this: Great first time around, loses some charm on repeat playthroughs.
Jojje4567 Like any other game
imperfectleo88 unlike the original they scrapped the zapping effect.
PlayGo G has nothing to do with my reply to what the other guy said.
imperfectleo88 i was pointing out that it added replay value.
I disagree with this completely. It turns into a different game on repeat playthroughs. It works flawlessly as a Survival-Horror game the first time you play it, but it turns into more of a resource management strategy game on repeat playthroughs. Thinking about how you can get to places faster, how you can do things more efficiently, what items you don't think you need to bring. I've beaten the game 6 times now, and I still enjoy replaying it.
How was the scene with the gun owner and his daughter unnecessary?
It added nothing to the overall narrative and the story would have worked fine without it. That said, i don't mind it being there.
@@tek87 How about it helped flesh out the horror Racoon city was plunged in, by showing you the struggle of innocent civilans ?
I agree, a point of view of a civilian was interesting, and to be honest i prefer the new Kendo, the old one is iconic, but getting a character just for one line and then seeing it killed wasnt that good.
And that wasn't evident before we even met those characters? Now you're just making excuses.
tek87 it’s almost like they wanted to tell you his backstory because he had a planned scenario.
The beginning of Scenario B, the sped up video intro what the hell?
Or even how in Scenario B you immediately start at the Station..
Uh what?!
Yeah, fucking disappointing...
Great Analysis man, enjoyed a lot and 100% sharing your feelings. I was also so disappointed to not be able to kill good old Brad outside the Police station for the Locker Key, that was a very cool way to get extra costumes. Nowadays it's just "Pay this amount to unlock this" when some of us experienced the "Here, find this little secret challenge and you'll unlock more costumes"
Things original did better than REmake2:
*Soundtrack
*Enemy variety
*A/B scenarios
*Mr.X (I do feel he is way too annoying a lot of the time. Nice idea, but feels overused
*Atmosphere. REmake2 overuse flashlight useage and pitch black areas eeeeverywhere. This is a problem cus RE engine don't handle reflections well and when you aim directly at something with an intensive light source, it blows everything up with extreme bloom that make everything look like plastic.
I disagree with the Enemy variety and Mr. X
@@suqzz966 Original had a lot more vastly different enemies. Tons were removed for remake
@m_hicks12 Not that the original is scary now either.
If I were to summarize my opinion below...
*Things Done Better In Original*
1.) The A/B campaigns offering a far greater variety of alternate scenarios and subplots (whereas the only differences in the remake are alternate beginnings, alternate enemy/item/puzzle arrangements, and the G5 battle being withheld in First Run).
2.) Actual story continuity taking place between the scenarios, whereas the remake’s campaigns do not even at least pick one sequence of Leon/Claire events that line up.
3.) The original actual having a complete musical score that stands on its own, plus the save room and RPD main hall themes actually having a loop (though, whenever the remake does provide its own music, then I consider it more of a tie).
4.) Zapping system gave me a little more appreciation for the intricate level design, as subtle as each effect was.
5.) Quantity of enemy types: the remake cut out the crows, spiders, moth rooms, poison-buffed Ivies, etc., and while it did introduce Pale Heads and regular zombies with added armor/poison/packs/explosives, those new enemies are only found in Ghost Survivors.
*Things Done Better In Remake*
1.) Quality of enemy types retained in campaign: I enjoyed fighting the zombies, zombie dogs, Lickers, G-Spawn, and Ivies a lot more and felt they were much more challenging and prominently utilized. At the same time, I do wish other enemies like the giant spiders got the same love.
2.) The boss battles were a lot more fun for me and I completely disagreed with Critical Nobody there (though the alligator could have been given more than one quick set-piece, like the RE1 Remake’s Mother Neptune). Mr. X in the remake was exactly the kind of pursuer I wanted him to be in the original, as well.
3.) The general combat and variety of weapons felt more fleshed out. This is especially with the addition of RE1 Remake-style defense items, the more detailed gun customization, the gunpowder system, the Flamethrower/Spark-Shot/SMG/Gatling-Gun having greater prominence, and the SMG having a suppressor to act like the silent bowgun. I also had a far greater incentive to strategize how I used them, with the more challenging cast of enemies/bosses.
4.) Sherry Birkin and Ada Wong having much more differentiated playable segments.
5.) General improvements to the controls and UI like the inventory management, map, movements, added achievements page, etc.
*I have not played the bonus modes of both games extensively enough to judge whether I like the Old Hunk/Tofu and Extreme Battle versus New Hunk/Tofu and Ghost Survivors more.*
I miss the Zapping system - backpack, SMG and fingerprint verification. With modern game design, they really could have played with that and set up some good scenarios.
I feel like 'hidden mechanics' in AAA games isnt really in vogue right now. In REmake 1 they had the poisen timer for example.
I love small tweaks to the details of the story stuff. That was my biggest notice upon playing REmake 2
You forgot how Sherry gets over her parents death so quickly she wants to be adopted by Leon and Claire by the end... That's just plain weird.
Sherry barely saw or really knew her parents. They were parents by dna only.
It's not that weird if your parents are egotistical, sociopathic, absentee, work consumed scientists that most likely only had Sherry to test the G virus on. Plus she was just in a life or death struggle throughout the night, she probably hasn't even had time to sort out her feelings about losing her parents. She is just enjoying some levity after surviving, the mourning and complex feelings associated with that whole trauma would probably come later haha she's joking around about them adopting her but it might be an actual concern she has as well since she now has nowhere to live.
Edit: The whole testing the G virus on Sherri thing was just a theory I read that was tied into a note in the game but thinking about it some more I don't know if I really believe it. It's not like Birkin planned on giving himself the G virus, at least I don't think he did? I've actually only played REmake and RE2R.
@@Thwap23 Maybe her parents were just strangers to her. So she doesn't really care, it's ok for a character to simply not care. It's natural in fact.
@@Thwap23 William and Annette never used Sherry as a test subject for their reserch work, The reason she had the G embryo it's because William implanted it in her while he was in his first G form.
Xander Crease I mean I agree with you that that’s part of it but I think Kids usually have an attachment to their parents, even when they are shitty people or not around theirs usually some strong feelings there regardless until adolescence. If she were older I’d agree with you more which is why I added in the extra bits about her probably not even sorting her feelings out yet since she has been struggling to survive. I was essentially agreeing with you though, which is why I wrote absentee. We don’t know the whole story but it’s safe to assume they weren’t the best parents/people, it’s also pretty easy to see in the game that she at least cares about them on some level.
1998 RE2 felt like an obvious homage to 70s/80s zombie and raw italian gore films and this came across in the tone, music, atmosphere, and acting. I'd love a mod with Goblin music but that's another topic. The new one is a great game, but doesn't capture any of this. It feels too safe with lots of Hollywood polish and self-awareness
Definitely has that awful Hollywood polish.
Remember how in RE2:1998 if you made it to the police station without picking up any items & then you defeated Zombie Brad you'd get a key that later rewarded you with cool exclusive uniforms?
Huh? Do you remember that? I'M TALKING TO YOU RE2 REMAKE DEVELOPERS !!
To be honest, I would be more than willing to completely forgive all the changes they made (yes, even butchering Leon's character) if they just had Leon and Claire actually talking to each other more than twice in the entire RE2make. I get that it would be jarring for them to constantly meet face to face only for the other character to vanish once they leave the door to the room you're in, but at the very least have them exchange radio freqs and make use of that device for them to have more conversations and interaction. At least that way we can be more invested as to why they seem to care for each other so much in the RE2make when they talk to each other like twice.
Oh, and also drop the weirdly romantic subtext between their interactions, its fucking weird recontextualising their relationship after over 10 years of canon.
Totally agree.
What romantic subtext?
@@aureateseigneur5317 The one where they're seemingly smitten from the moment they meet at opposite sides of the gate in the police station, as well as the "are you two boyfriend and girlfriend?" thing from the end where both of them awkwardly laugh and then make a joke about it being a first date. There was nothing like this in the original, and it just makes the whole thing slightly weird and feels out of place.
@@Rajoovi1 you're reading into too much at the gate, they are just happy both are alive, and the ending is a joke. Stop it.
@@aureateseigneur5317 So your retorts are "nah man you're wrong because I said so". Coolio.
I don't agree with a lot of your opinions but I respect your criticisms and like your passion for RE 2. Good video
*A RE2 remake without the scenario stuff is like remaking Re3 without the Nemesis choices* Big Oof my friend
I really wanted the Giant Spiders and the Giant Moth. Also the secret room from the Original that required both characters flip the switch in the lab.
Willing to bet the 2.9k of the dislikes haven’t even played the original
or maybe half of what he says is either subjective or just plain false... the B scenario criticism being valid though. As an example, the bosses, I nailed Birkin with the crane first time without dying, where to stand to avoid it seemed pretty obvious as it's already in place when you start that fight.... I had also damaged him enough that it only took one hit with the crane. I also didn't need to waste that much ammo on any bosses as I utilised the knifes a lot. And this was still all on my first playthrough at the time. Just because _he_ had trouble with that fight doesn't mean everyone did.
His views on the characters personalities are also very skewed... as another example, Leon _tried_ to take charge in the original but no one ever listened to him... hence why one of his most frequent lines was "WAIT!" before exclaiming "why does no one listen to me". This guy just showed the very few specific scenes out of context of the rest of the story where Leon tries to be the man in control. Not to mention the whole part about Leon believing Ada to be FBI in the remake, this is the first time they meet so he has no reason not to believe her, especially as she shows some convincing fake ID to back it up... CN is acting like they already have a history and that Leon shouldn't believe a word she says.
He's correct about the B scenario snafu though, but as I said the rest is just subjective or just false claims to make the original look better, and I say that as a die hard fan of original RE2, it's still a game I play to this day and will always be one of my favourite games of all time.
I played the original, and I did dislike the video.
Aitor Gonzalez ah do you dislike opinions cool
@@prl4122 Yes. It's perfectly valid to dislike opinions. That's how opinions work. An opinion is someone's view or belief that is not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. If it's your opinion that racism is cool, is it wrong of me to dislike that?
Really need to think about these things, bud.
@@aitorgonzalez4657 and I dislike your opinion
I love Claire stepping up to the occasion, it's shows where her character is going. She's not just gonna run away or take it like a bitch. No she's gonna go to Europe to find her brother and fave Umbrella again, she's gonna go on to join a humanitarian group so she can jump back into biological war fare, and she's damn sure gonna take Birkin down. Claire is presented as a normal student, but Raccoon City brought out the best in Claire. Everybody always talks about how Leon becomes a bad ass action movie star in 4 but Claire is even more bad ass and always has been in my opinion
Even Leon admits Claire is more badass than him.
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True. That’s the one thing I don’t like about this guy’s RE videos. He glosses over finer details. Claire is a hard ass. She was basically raised by Chris after their parents died and he’s a bad son of a bitch himself. Instilling militaristic values into Claire at a young age made her who she is. Also, she’s a biker chick, enough said.
The fact that this needs pointing out is hilariously ironic. This is demonstrated in the original RE2 and CV/CVX; Claire is just as badass as Leon, with the only difference being that Claire is much more aggressive in her approach and personality, also demonstrating the clear relationship between her and Chris. This is nothing special, just good character development.
Richard Cantos when does he admit it? im not sarcastically asking by the way. i really want to know. both Leon and Claire are badass by the way
Christine O'Neill nobody said Leon isn't bad ass, he most definitely is, he just made it seem like Claire wasn't bad ass enough by the end game to want to fight birkin. Which she is
"Would be like RE3 Remake didn't have Nemesis choices" I think this is like the 3rd time I see you expecting them not to do what they would actually do
The only youtube who shares the same opinion as me on this remake.
Good video, I appreciate the honest criticism. A couple things i disagree with are:
-The bosses, probably come down to personal preference, but I felt they were an overall improvement on the original. I think a lot of the bosses are influenced by the adaptive difficulty, so how many bullets it takes is largely down to how much ammo you have once you enter the boss arena. Like the original, they're kinda designed to be an ammo regulator, to make sure you aren't completely loaded with ammunition if you somehow managed to do a perfect run or something. These games are supposed to be about having limited resources, so having the bosses drain that is important to keep the tense atmosphere. If you don't like the adaptive difficulty, the good news is that Hardcore is available to make the bosses a pretty much set health and damage. Based on what you said, it just sounds like RE bosses aren't your cup of tea, both are valid criticisms.
-Claire fighting G3, this game makes a huge point of protecting Sherry. Claire wanted to take down (or at least delay) G3 so the antidote could get to Sherry on time.
-Character, Leon was always a naive chump. I always laugh at how many times Leon tries to talk to characters in the original and they just don't listen to him. They just presented it more realistically as a starry-eyed new guy instead of trying to take charge and failing. Don't let RE4's change in personality cloud who Leon actually was in RE2. Personal preference
-Brian Irons, I don't think he's completely generic like you say, BUT I think the original representation of him and his death is superior in the original.
-DLC, I agree with everything you said except that I don't think the classic soundtrack is entitled to every owner of the game. It's a bonus. Would be nice if it was included, but I don't think it being available for $3 is a problem since the new soundtrack is the intended experience.
-2nd Run, definitely a downgrade from the original. But I think it's more complicated than "why isn't there a scenario B with new stuff". This is a remake of a game whose time per playthrough is maybe 4-6 hours. From a modern game standpoint that really wouldn't cut it for most people, who will probably play Leon and call it a day. They had to choose between making sure the majority of bosses were playable with a single character to help the games playtime or cut the bosses in half for each character like the original. It's give or take, and they chose the latter. The actual 2nd Run could've had more remixed item placements, but I think the objective was to make sure there was a definitive canon route for each character to avoid confusion. Didn't work out perfectly, since 2nd Run still has a ton of continuity errors that are pretty glaring. But regardless of who you play first, the same characters do the same things at the same time in the timeline. As someone who just finished RE2 1998 again recently, I don't think that the continuity errors are any less dumb or glaring than the original, just in different ways. It's a symptom of adapting a story from the 1998 game that honestly made little logical sense in the first place. Scenarios was definitely a last-minute change, they had said for a long time there would be no B scenarios until close to launch.
-You're wrong about both playthroughs being the A scenario. Both are a mixture of each characters A & B scenario. Probably a writing error on your part, but I thought I'd point it out.
There might be more to say, but that's what I can say after watching the video. The game isn't perfect, and I enjoyed the presentation of the video. It wasn't pure cynicism or nostalgia based on admiring aspects of the game that never defined it over the core gameplay loop RE2R did a great job of replicating with modern mechanics.
EDIT: I've got to say, as respectful as I think this video is, you seem much more focused on the negative feedback of this video comparative to the positive and constructive criticism. It looks like a purposeful attempt to make people who prefer or enjoy the remake more than you look like idiots. I doubt that was your intention, but it certainly looks like you made this to bask in negativity to feel correct based on your statements on twitter. Sorry if that's a bit much, still think the video is a good dissection of what you didn't like
Thank you. I wanted to say almost the same things.
Nah, Leon was more assertive in the original. Here he's downright stupid trying to follow idiotic regulations when it's clearly not the time to and he should cooperate with whomever is still alive.
@@RexVergstrong I say he's assertive in the post. "Trying to take charge and failing". He was always Ada's pawn in the original game, I don't know why representing it more realistically is a problem. Leon is questioning Ada the entire time
Leon is following Ada the whole time until the end when someone else (Anette) tells him the obvious.
He literally questions ada during the whole game, he follows her because he wants to escape and stop whoever caused the mess. during a good chunk of the game ada is his only option in doing so@@RexVergstrong
This is exactly the kind of video I would have made if I was able to make videos. I agree with most points, especially the criticism about the scenarios. But I'm surprised you didn't mention the thing where you can choose whether you take the bag or the machine gun with one character and leave one thing for the other. And the door you can open for the other char in the lab. Neat little things like that.
I thought the bosses were okay and not THAT spongy. Sure, they take a lot of bullets, but I thought that was just fitting. The boss with the crane was actually a first try for me, so I didn't really mind him that much.
But yeah, overall I still prefer the original game, even though I really love this remake. It's just a different style of game and it's totally fine by me if people prefer the new one.
Everyone can make a video like this one.
I don't know why it bugs me so bad. But when you meet Leon/Clair at the police station and the only thing separating them is a thin wire fence AND there is literally a pair of bolt cutters behind the player that you find seconds after the cutscene ends. facepalm every time.
Good God, this video aged so well, it's actually saddening...
Capcom, at first, wanted a 1:1 recreation of RE2. Halfway through production they decided not to. They told the Devs " Don't make it a 1:1 anymore." There was even an ENTIRE Script rewrite of the OG game done before they changed their minds.
So those scenario woes you felt? Would've totally not been there had Capcom not interfered with the dev team.
I've never heard about that they wanted a 1:1 recreation? I can't find anything about it online too
Beacuse thats all bollocks
I agree with almost every point. The exception is how you feel about the micro transactions. I think that having the ghost survivors scenarios for free while only charging for purely cosmetic choices is the best way to go, if you MUST have micro transactions at all, that is.
I get that for the costumes at the very least. But charging for the original soundtrack was kind of bad taste. And, a shameful way to cash in on fans with something that ALREADY exists.
Unlocking outfits by completing the game with S ranks or less than 5 saves or not discarting any keys was what I liked so much. I dont wanna pay extra for outfits I want to archieve it
I liked the new chief irons. After a zombie outbreak, subtlety is gone, he should be openly crazy. Hes the only one who acts like something horrible is happening! But, the chestburster was disappointing.
@@StummerVogel pretty sure Claire isnt a teen but whatever
@@juicymelon6132 she's 19 in RE2
@@StummerVogel He was also a murderer in the original, so that really can't be a complaint without showing a giant double standard. But, the rest are valid complaints. It was a bit too on the nose with the rapist feeling. But, I do feel his active involvement with the orphanage being a breeding ground for Umbrella fits well with how it shows Umbrella's tight grip on Raccoon City and the manipulation by William Birkin on Irons. And, of course, his Shining reference is a nice little thing to recognize. But, overall, a downgrade for the character. One thing I'll never forgive the remake for doing, though, is removing the line by Irons "EVERYONE'S GONNA DIE!"