Reverse Pop Rivets Fasten Metal to Wood?!
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2018
- With this simple 'hack' you can use conventional pop rivets to fasten sheetmetal to WOOD for a nice clean installation!! This short video shows you that no special tools are needed for quick, clean fastening of sheetmetal trims to most any wood substrate. This IS NOT a universal solution for all (not even most) sheetmetal installations but, rather, a great alternative for jobs where cosmetics are more important than overall strength of attachment so installer judgement is required!
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Or just a roofing nail.
Oh, so you're THAT guy! No next level workmanship from you then? 🤨
I thought that too but the esthetic is not the same.
Pounding the pin in expands the rivet. The pin is now driven into new wood like a finish nail, and the head has expanded against the drilled wood. Having both these, along with the consistent appearance, makes it more than a nail. I like it!
For a woodsy application like that, try natured alcohol (instead of denatured)
I grew up in a sheet metal shop and learned from the best of the old timers but I have never seen that trick before.... Thanks I look forward to making use of that idea some day.
Cool of you mentioning Howard - we can only hope that folks will remember us and speak highly of us . That's the measure of a good person - as is speaking well of a good man .
Cheers friend ...
Thanks... good folks like Howard live on in our memories even though their passing leave a hole in our hearts. Best, Matt
What works even better is to install a hook strip first. A piece of metal formed to the same profile as the outside cap that is nailed or screwed to the existing sill. The “kinked” front of the hookstrip slips into a hem that is formed on the outside piece . This method prevents high winds from blowing it off. Worked for me for 40 years as a union architectural sheet metal worker.
Great video, I’ve used pop rivets before to attach sheet metal to a timber garage door, but I never thought to reverse the pin in the rivet. Another watch and learn moment thank you
Sounds like an ideal application Peter... you're certainly welcome
Truly a great way to protect window sills from rotting. Perfect timing to me. Thank you for sharing.
Wow!
I've been in most all the construction trades my whole working life 36 yrs and I've never stop learning. Thanks for learnin me somethin !
I agree Tony... any day I have where I can say "I learnt sumpthin' new" is a good one! 😂😎 Best, Matt
I think it was a good memory about Howard. I have one to tell you about an older retired gentlemen who lives next door to me who was in early stages of dementia. When we bought our house we decided to put in a fence. We had a surveyor come out to verify the property lines. There was some question about the lines but we figured we could work it out with our neighbor. We ask him to come over and speak with us about it. He was an radio tower engineer, retired. He told us where he thought the line was. We told him where we were going to put the fence and he agreed that this was okay. Some years later as his dementia kicked in a little harder he brought a surveyor in that was about 85 years old and could barely get around. The next thing we know a nail had been hammered into our fence with about an inch of it sticking out above the wood. We ask him about it and he told us we needed to move our 75 ft over about 1 foot. We reminded him about our conversation more than 10 years ago. He was perplexed a bit but seemed to accept it and that was the last we heard about it. He was a real nice guy and I was sad to see that a few years later he went to an alzheimer unit. I thought it so funny that he would say to us that our fence was a foot over the property line after 10 years without a word. Needless to say we didn't have to move it but we sure hope his wife doesn't come out and put a nail in our fence anytime soon. This story may not be as funny as your friend talking about his hands not working right to hold a shovel to dig but it was funny to me. So the moral of the story is make sure your fence is well within your property line. Have a great day and I hope this added to it.
Guess it's true what they say about strong fences making good neighbors then? Glad you didn't get into a survey war with your neighbor though... hate to resort to 'lawyers guns and money' over such trivial issues... Thanks for your anecdote and story George! Best, Matt
Great Tip! Cant wait to see your new shop! I appreciate your videos :)
Thanks tohdubg, glad you like the videos! A word of caution: the new shop is no where near as impressive in appearance as certain well known PBS shops so I hope you'll not be disappointed. It will be extremely versatile and functional though... I wouldn't have it any other way... so I think it will be meaningful to viewers like you though. Best, Matt
Wow! What an awesome idea! I install a ton of ceiling grid & tile and use pop rivets all the time. Never thought about installing them reverse into wood. Thanks for sharing!!
Thanks Matt for passing this trick on. I can see a lot of applications for this procedure. Considering your sheet metal expert has been using this method for years is convincing.
Awesome tip Matt, and the story at the end is priceless. We all have that one person that showed compassion and knowledge. Thx for sharing your memories of Howard.
Having that 'one person' really makes for a rich life, doesn't it? Thanks for commenting on Howard's memory... its quite meaningful in these times of social media and lightning fast changes. Best, Matt
The CZcams tree of knowledge bears fruit again! That is great. Thanks for sharing.
one of the best and cleanest ways I've ever seen attaching metal to Wood. tell that sheet metal guy that's one of the best techniques I've seen in a good minute hats off.
Considering you're in-between shops, thanks for taking the time to post this little nugget. Nice story at the end too. I made a couple of chopping boards from and old Oak framed sofa which belonged to my mother-in-law. Each time we use them we'll be reminded of our times together.
Appreciate the 'rich' anecdote of re-purposed wood bish2t... glad to know you too value such a 'legacy' for worthwhile things. Best, Matt
Wait a minute... that's a nail.
Yes... and no, Adam. In an installation where pop rivets are being used for other connections a nail would look 'out of place' IMHO... but then again there's lots of times when that wouldn't matter so much. Best, Matt
I know, I am curious how this is much better than a finish nail and a matching washer? It LOOKS neat and is certainly a neat on-the-site solution when you don't have the 'right' stuff (not that this is wrong, if it works).
Still, it's something I will keep in mind for a few projects.
@@DieCastoms where would you find a coated finish nail and 'matching washer'? Keep in mind that matching washer head screws WERE on site and I chose this as 'the 'right' stuff' on purpose, not as a inferior substitute from lack of preparation, hence the disclaimer 'it's not a universal solution'. Slip it into your bag of tricks for 'someday'? Best, Matt
That is a good finish.
It looks better than nail heads and washers sticking out.
Think I'd seat the sill onto some caulking or construction adhesive just to make sure thise little pins don't give way in the wind.
Yes, another brilliant way to finish sills.
Cheers Matt ☺
Agreed, @@johnmontague69 ... the sill caps got sealed to the glass with bronze silicone to assure their integrity but a 'bed' of caulk underneath the flashing wasn't necessary for this installation because, despite being old and checked, the sills are incredibly dense and held the rivet pins with tenacity! Your mention of additional adhesive tells me you've been around enough variety in on site conditions to know when extra measures are necessary and have the sense to apply them so thanks for adding your comment for benefit of other viewers. Best, Matt
Great Video I have run across this a time or two in my 40+ years of carpentry but I had
forgotten about it thanks
Man I wish I New that trick 20 or 30 years ago. So many jobs I could have used that on, but I will remember it. Thanks Matt.
I'm with you there, Paul... biggest challenge now is in not forgetting about it for next time, right? Best, Matt
That reverse rivet is a tremendous idea, I'll be using that for sure. Never disappointed in your videos.
That was fasten nating.
I was riveted to my chair, watching you hammer home this great tip.
Memories of good times and good friends are the spice of life. Building things by hand infuses the object with those memories and gives them value beyond the sum of their parts.
Great video!
Brent
You totally nailed... err... riveted it here, Brent! Thanks for commenting. Ohh, those stories... no end to 'em, right? Have a great day, whereever in the world you find yourself today... Best, Matt
@doc hall No kidding, right? That Brent's a tough act to beat IMHO! Best, Matt
Digiconsoo-
The French would say that you have a "bon mot" (literally translated as a "good mouth"), which colloquially means that you're witty with words.
I had a bon mot in High School French class. It helped me achieve the grade of "F".
* slow clapping...
DigiConSoo, did that just POP into your head? A driblit SILLy, I'd say.
Simplicity indeed! Thanks for passing along Matt. Great tip.
You're most welcome Duncan... just payin' it forward! Best, Matt
Brilliant!! Thanks for sharing👍🏻
This is a perfect solution to a project I am working on now. I am adding a 6" roll flashing border on a wall, to give it the industrial look. I was looking for fasteners that would give that same industrial look without protruding and catching on passerby. I'll use adhesive and reverse rivets and I bet it will look great. Thanks!
MJC Peters, this does sound like a great solution for your project. If there's potential for clothes catching you might want/need to hit the rivet heads with a smooth file after driving in case there's any little burrs to snag stuff... but in any case this will be far better than hex head bolts or regular flat headed nails... Good luck! Best, Matt
very clever! Will help with my 30 year old shed. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing that memory, it hit me in the feels
"hit me in the feels"... I like that one. Haven't heard it before but know 'zactly what you mean! Best, Matt
Awesome Stan, thanks to sharing.
Thanks! Great tip. I look forward to using it soon.
Thanks HHP! Best, Matt
This is perfect idea for an installation for my deck. I had a shed installed underneath my deck and the installers put slanted boards underneath the corrugated aluminum roof to divert the water away from the wooden walls. It was not a successful application as the water runs onto the wood anyway. So now I have to deal with keeping the wood from rotting on my own. I bought some rolled sheet metal flashing(1 foot wide or so) from home depot(color matched to my stain) and I am going to extend it out from the slanted wood. I will use the reverse riveting method to attach the sheet metal so water will not hit my wooden shed wall. Count me as one person you helped. Thank you for your kindness in sharing this with me. I will probably add a gutter as well.
That's cool, George! Be sure to goop 'em up well with silicone anywhere with constant exposure to water because the reverse rivet pins are relatively small and won't hold well in damp wood or heavy loads. No shame in using color matched washer head screws where necessary... Best, Matt
That's Fantastic Matt! Definitely Something I really use.
Thanks !
You're welcome Joe... and your reaction is exactly mine when Sam showed this trick to me... just payin' it forward! Best, Matt
Good info. I'm rehabing an old single wide mobile and and that'll be another option for fastening. Thanks for adding the memories at the end of the video! 👍
You're welcome Reddirt... memories and all! 😉😎
Loved the tip. I think we all had a Howard in our lives and they are someone we think of often. I know it always brings a smile to my day when I do.
Another trick I will try soon- thanks for sharing this
Now this is a master tip man! Thanks!
Welcome back. Great tip. 👍
This tip is FABULOUS! Thank you so much for sharing it!!
I just finished a standing seam roof on my new shop, so did a zillion rivets, but this would sure be useful to know. Thanks for sharing!
New shop, eh? Seems to be a trend lately... hope it's all you want/expect it to be Neal! Coincidence is amazing sometimes, right? Most of the fasteners the guys used on this house were screw-type for holding power in wind... especially in that canyon, but there's a few details like these sills where the reverse rivets were exactly the right 'touch'. Best, Matt
Super cool! Thanks sir!
Thanks for the great video and reverse riveting trick. Memories are wonderful, thanks for sharing.
In the big picture the memories are most meaningful, right Billy? Thanks for commenting here... Best, Matt
Thanks for the great tip mr
I will be doing a similar project soon and this looks like the perfect solution. Thanks for the tip!
Hope it works as well on your project as it did on this one bdcopper! Good luck! Best, Matt
That's way useful !!!
I've looked for a way to attach my bent aluminum for hiding bad facia that they could not afford to replace. Since however I've found color matched galvanized nails... but in a high moisture area this trick would be great inexpensive solution
In all my years I have never seen this. Simply brilliant.
What?? If I hadn't seen this, I wouldn't ever believe this was even possible. Genius! Thanks for sharing.
That’s given me a great idea for some urban photography frames, thank you. I also liked the story at the end.
Cool, Mark... thanks for commenting! Best, Matt
Awesome tip definitely use keep them coming
Abs Brilliant little nugget. Thank you dude. Stay safe and well. X
I've seen this done, after the work. It's nice to see how it was done. Thanks.
That's the best tip I've learned in months. Thanks!
Thanks Bob... it's pretty unique and one of the better one's I've seen in awhile too! You're welcome too... Best, Matt
Learn something new every day? Love it thank you 😊
Good tip I’ve got some facia coming away I’m going to try it on with white aluminum rivets thx 2 the sheet metal guru
This should work even better on light aluminum fascia and associated trims Jeff... hope it gets you a better job faster! Best, Matt
Matt, thanks for the tip, although I'm unlikely to use it here in South Africa, but, really enjoyed your relaying of some of your memories and Howard - no better way to honor a friendship and person! Blessing upon you sir!
Great nugget!!! Thanks
Really cool solution. Thanks for sharing.
I'm making an anti theft mailbox using a 12 X 24 round air duct and a PT 1 X 6 and thought I could use a pop rivet to attach the sheet metal but didn't know how without splitting the wood. Now I know to use a reverse pop rivet which will look much better then truss screws I had planned on using. Thanks 👍
Great!!! I've never seen this one before. Thanks for sharing.
Super great tip! Thank you!
You're welcome Jim! Best, Matt
Man What a cool idea... looks really nice
Thanks, haven’t seen that before. It EAs in the nick of time. I’m installing a little roof over a door now 👍
Another fantastic trick. Thank you and good luck with your new shop.
thanks for the tip, very useful
Fantastic reverse rivet trick! Wilson's are great people to have around and mentor from.
A world without Wilsons would be lacking for sure, Brady... thanks for your comment. Best, Matt
Those kinda memories are golden Matt, and great trick to.
Neat and useful riveting idea, thanks for sharing.
So glad I stumbled across this!!! Thank you for sharing this, you've got a new subscriber!!!
Thanks Robert for subscribing. BTW your CZcams Channel icon image is a crack up! LOL!! Best, Matt
Thanks. Fantastic new tip as always.
You're welcome Rollo! Best, Matt
My search for a solution ends with the video. Thank you
Oh my God. When I first subscribed to your channel I had no idea how your teaching, and in this case the story of Howard, would be so enriching to my knowledge base and skillset. Thank you so much Matthew.
Thanks for subscribing to NLC Craig... much appreciated. Glad to know you've not regretted 'signing up'... every single sub contributes to how the Channel is featured which helps it grow. I do believe the best is yet to come...
I’m gonna use this for the metal trim for some drawers I just built for my work van. Awesome idea! Thanks
Gotta love that one just learned something today thanks
Awesome trick ! Thanks !
You're welcome Daniel... are you as surprised as I am by some of the comments by viewers who totally miss the point of this simple but useful trick?! Best, Matt
That is such a brilliant idea, I bet it glows in the dark!
pretty cool, thanks!
Thanks for the trick. Enjoyed the story too. Take care and God bless.
Nice trick, like it. Thanks Matt and Sam.
Cool Johnny... I'll let Sam know next time I see him... I asked him specifically if he was OK with me doing a video to show 'his' idea and picture of his truck. He was cool with it but I'm not sure he knew what to expect from the amount of traffic his little tip would generate. Oh... and you're welcome! Best, Matt
Fantastic tip!
Awesome trick. Glad to see a video from you. I thought it was going to be a lot longer before I started seeing your vids after your move.
Thanks Bobby... as you can tell I'm itchin' to get back to serious carpentry videos but figure something is better than nothing at this point and so appreciate your comment! Best, Matt
So cool, new subscriber here. I like your no nonsense approach to your videos.
Thanks for the sub Travis... it's tough enough for me to provide no-nonsense videos because that nonsense stuff takes abilities I don't have😯😃😎
Best, Matt
Really thank you!
Great tip, and such an easy fix! Would love to see the custom vise grips up close. Those would be perfect for some applications I do in my shop.
Thanks Vicki... it IS easy and handy to have in your bag of tricks for who knows what and when! Sorry I didn't do an up close shot of the vise grips. I made them as a heavy duty upgrade of these that are available on Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B0000TFGFU/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d They're smaller but just might get it done for your needs? Best, Matt
Master carpenter working with master metal bender - master tips! Thanks Matt!
Great tip tnks..never think of some thing like this
Your nuggets and fond memories make You Tuber's love ya Matt. Pat your self on the back with them funny hands that don't work with the shovel.
Gotta be careful with 'them funny hands' Tom... it's just as easy to slap myself upside the head as pat myself on the back with 'em😲😂😎 Thanks for commenting on this one! Best, Matt
Hello! Love your channel and watch it often. PLEASE NOTE: Wrapping window sills with aluminum ACCELERATES decomposition of the wood. Im a contractor in historic St.Charles MO (Where Lewis & Clarke crossed the MO river). I regularly work
on 150 yr old homes, the majority of exterior wood damage that I repair is caused aluminum wrapping!!!! The wood is completely disintegrated under the aluminum. Water gets in and can't escape.
Best method is treat wood with breathable sealant and use a drip edge type flashing to direct water away, but allows it to breathe and dry. Thanks again, love your channel.
Your note of caution is well taken Tim... I too see plenty of degradation of wood wrapped with aluminum... particularly on aluminum and vinyl siding jobs where improper sealing and not accounting for water draining indeed accelerate rot. It's not aluminum in particular that speeds up rot but the other factors you mention. These sills in this instance will definitely extend their life even though 'wrapping' is often not the best practice for doing so. Best, Matt
What is "breathable sealant"?
Awesome...love new ideas, and this one is fantastic...
This is brilliant. Thanks
Thanks for sayin' Clem... I only wish I could claim brilliance for thinking of it instead of just the motivation to share some one else's genius.😏😁😎 Best, Matt
Cool...very good idea, we getting smarter by the day. Tnx to Next Level Carpentry from Belgium.
From Belgium... no kidding?! Talk about cool! Best, Matt
Thank you I'm going to put this in my bag of tricks
Pretty slick idea - thx
nice one, i like your approach with these tips 👍
Gotta admit, that's a pretty cool trick.
Thanks!
omg, I'm mind blown, that's perfect for a couple of jobs I've seen around the house this morning alone, and I'm always having to reinforce stuff with metal to protect stuff from my parrots, it might even com in handy for their aviary I'll be building this summer..
Brilliant idea!
Excellent work 👍👌👍
I really enjoy your videos...in the beautiful Paha Sapa of South Dakota. The sheriff of Pennington county is an old friend of mine. I live and work in Texas now. I learn a lot from you. Keep up the great work and congratulations on your new home and shop.
Thanks RWM... glad you like the videos. Thanks for the comment, especially since you know of our little corner of the world... Best, Matt
Superb idea. I doubt if I will ever utilize it but now I can if needed.
It's one of those things you hope you still remember when the time comes to use it, right? Best, Matt
Right!
Matt,
Thanks for additional insight, bar top is alum. ground metal intricate design/masked foreground w/candy background. Outside edge & joints will get rivet application
SAWHEEET!! Thanks for sharing Bi traeger... Best, Matt
So quick and easy, nice one. All the best Graham 🇬🇧🇬🇧
That's the beauty of it, right? Best, Matt
Awesome tip
Great trick. I hope I remember it when the need arises. Thanks.
That memory thing is an issue more often than a guy would like to admit, right Zale? Best, Matt
Wow, that is a new one for me! Great tip, thanks!
BTW good to see you.