Atheists Are Just Dismissive | Jose-GA | The Atheist Experience 24.39
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00:00 Intro And Announcements
04:14 Skepticism With ObjectivelyDan
08:51 Jake-CA | The Devil Is Among Us
15:21 Jose-GA | Atheists Are Just Dismissive
48:28 Lauren-NY | Consciousness Proves God
1:00:39 Lisa-FL | Atheism And Religious Knowledge
1:10:14 Jacob-CA | Laws In Torah Solves Modern Problems
1:24:36 Joe-IL | Inspired Word Of God
1:29:08 Dan-NY | Can't Prove The Devil
1:30.02 Enoch-PA | Why Try Convincing People They Are Wrong?
1:33:58 Jeremy-NV | Good Defense Of Christianity
1:37:55 Anthony-VA | God No Longer Exists
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Hello all you atheists (and theists) out there! The hosts of today’s Atheist Experience are Matt Dillahunty and ObjectivelyDan. Dan joins us from ACA’s own Truth Wanted (airs every Friday), and we're glad to see him on AXP!
Our first caller, Jake in CA shares his beliefs with us. For instance, the devil is walking around and only has power through god. How could you know that? … oh the bible, of course.
Jose in GA feels Matt is dismissive of peoples stories about experiences with the holy spirit. How can we tell if someone had a genuine experience with the holy spirit? We don’t just shut people down, we care about what beliefs are true. Matt demonstrates to Jose that feelings don’t justify beliefs.
Lauren in NY has logical proof for god, arguing if the universe is a closed system then consciousness would extend to the universe itself. We’re not sure how consciousness would extend to the universe. Lauren goes on to talk about astrology and predicts Matt’s friends will have air/fire signs and Dan’s would have earth/water.
Lisa in FL asks how much knowledge of all religions comes into play when talking about atheism. You don’t need to research any or all religions to talk about your atheism. Atheists don’t need to disprove any god, let along all gods.
Jacob in CA thinks lots of laws in the old testament would fix some societal problems we see today. We don’t need a theological understanding of problems in the bible to solve current problems. We don't have to justify the bible, we can just get rid of it.
Joe in IL tries to prove the inspired word of god comes through him. He got a premonition to buy medical supplies at a hobby lobby...for a self surgery? Yeah, this one went off the rails.
Dan in NY claims to be able to prove the devil. Too bad he lied to get on the air, NEXT!
Enoch in PA, asks why we want to convince people they are wrong. We are just trying to have conversations about what people believe. If they figure out they don't have a good reason to believe something, all the better. We care about true beliefs.
Jeremy in NV claims to have a good defense of christianity and finds it best to defend one true god, not just a god. Matt asks what evidence demonstrates a god exists but Jeremy can’t seem to answer.
Last caller, Anthony in VA argues that god used to exist but doesn’t any longer, claiming that god is nothing but a title and ancient people put those ideals onto those names. There is no way to prove that.
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To Jose: I had a close, loving experience with the holy spirit, I know what I felt, it held me close, it moved me emotionally, spiritually, and touch my soul ... and told me that you should send me $1,000.
This is every religious leader in the history of ever 🤣🤣🤣
Yup, the holy spirit also told me to send you 1K
Now it's backed up by more people!
@@manelneedsaname1773 I can confirm, the holy spirit also told me that Jose should send Justin 1000 dollars.
Jose, the Holy Spirit came to me and said that you should pay Justin €1,000 because I don’t live in the USA.
Dang 😲 I got ripped off. The spirit that contacted me asked for 10% of my annual income... roughly $5000
Jose’s entire point is that he feels justified taking people at their word if it aligns with what he’s decided is true.
Perfect summary, that's what this really comes down to. If someone else has the same experience that he did, he's willing to accept it at face value without any evidence.
Like, in religion : it's all true, if we say so, and otherwise it's a lie !
isnt that everyone? if someone says george washington was the first us president im not gonna ask them for proof
@@yuuseir3391Jose is one of those, "you know God is true!" which is nothing more than a terrible assertion with never any evidence.
Jose is a prime example of the damage childhood indoctrination can do.
That's absolutely correct. It frustrates me that they cannot see it.
Teaching religion to children as a way of life is child abuse.
Religion was the reason I was unnecessarily circumcised.
Childhood indoctrination is definitely a form of child abuse. During childhood, we develop our "operating system", the tool we use to interpret the world. It's the basis of how we think. Teaching children to believe things they can't prove are true is like giving them a mental disability, it greatly hinders their critical thinking, open mindedness and willingness to acknowledge when they are wrong..
@Ysabel Love It generally isn't about intelligence. It's indoctrination.
As a former Pentecostal, I can say that speaking in tongues and receiving the Holy Spirit is a completely legitimate form of delusion.
I can still "speak in tongues" to this day. Even though I have left the cult 2 years ago this upcoming march
@@drwexan7684 🤭 I speak in tongues too...I call it English
@@wyett123 lol same
Define "legitimate" please. :)
😂
"I want you to choose to believe that you can't choose what to believe."
It's too bad that bit of brilliance went straight over Jose's head.
I know. What a waste right?
Absolute cream of a statement... absolutely brilliant
He missed it when Matt's statement was, "if you can choose what you believe, then choose to believe I'm right," so it's not surprising that it went sssssailing past when it was a more awkward construction.
I think it is safer to say it went straight *through* Jose's head
@@jahrta 😂🤓👏
Jose: "Are you trying to make me look like an idiot?"
Obi-Wan: "You have done that yourself!"
"Jose, your religious beliefs are irrational!"
"Well, from my point of view rationality is irrational!"
"WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!"
“If you don’t believe me, then you’re against me.”
Matt certainly held the high ground in that exchange.
@@bharl7226 "Only a Theist deals in absolutes."
Ender Ragnarok 🤣
"You're not talking like a normal person" = "You're not using sloppy language to allow conflations and other fallacies to sneak through the cracks"
It’s amazing isn’t it? He doesn’t think it’s normal to question people. He’s a sheep who just follows what he’s told without question. How does he get through life like that?
@@upsidedownnugget9531 Most people do
My father is a retired southern baptist preacher (yes I know stop throwing rotten tomatoes at me lol) we have a solid relationship and my parents have known my position on the Bible and god. But he always says the same things as Jose somewhat I know deep in my heart he agrees with me sometimes because those are the times in discussions he gets angry and defensive and says I’m being disrespectful (I’m 55 hes 82 it’s all good really) I realize he’ll never admit it his fears are terrifying and his anxiety about death and hell. But I do smirk when he begins throwing a toddler tantrum when I make a good sound argument against that old book. I know I’ve made him think. I give him props the man I was raised by is mot the man he was when I hit age 30 (there are 6 of us 4 are atheist)
Most of the time religion is debated a lot between us all we do ok 👍 yes it gets heated. But then we all go change subject and play international rummy, gin and poker.
And have family quality time when we get together.
He’s an old softie really. My mom she does pray for us but she also can’t stay upset with us heathens lol that long. They love us
It hasn’t always been this way but we worked through it mom and dad were never the type to disown their children.
I know I’m lucky ☺️ but oh how I wish they could step away from the indoctrination.
@@starlaminde3113 that's a nice story 👌 , glad you have that relationship with your dad regardless of differences. Sometimes age can mellow out the crazy a bit........rare but nice to hear. All the best 👍
Very relatable though to be honest, idk if it's just me being autistic but I really enjoy Matt's straightforward way of talking and I recognize all too well the tendency among many callers to NOT be straightforward but instead just go off on a semi-related rant. In a way the caller was kind of right, a rather large portion of people don't talk the way Matt does, they're way more vague and don't have a proper back and forth, which in my opinion is a really bad and ineffective communication style. If everyone talked like Matt then it'd be so much easier for everyone to communicate! It's totally beyond me why SO many people can't follow the basic back and forth of questions and answers, and yet somehow I'M the "socially handicapped" one
Jose: i will take someone at their word about an experience with the holy spirit.
Pentacostal: the holy spirit led me to speak in tongues.
Jose: that's crazy.
I had a girlfriend like that it was a great 5 years
@@laapache1 mmmmm....I'm not sure we agree on the meaning of the word great, lol
Lol 😂
Jose doesn't want a discussion. He wants someone to feed his persecution fantasy.
@Hans Slane
Then why is it not documented outside cheezy tracts and tabloids
@Hans Slane Nobody cares about gods laws, or unicorns laws, or hobgoblins laws.
@Hans Slane Prove it.
@Hans Slane sky daddy isn't real
@Hans Slane dude where's your proof for that? other than a damn dusty book written by 40 flawed men.
We don't know who wrote the books to trace it's origins. They coulda been drunk off their ass writing that. I dont think 2nd hand accounts of someone saying they saw jesus rise is viable evidence. Many of its stories can easily be seen ripped from the epic of Gilgamesh, an even earlier piece of literature. The bible has been translated and mistranslated thousands of times over to where you have 30,000 different sect and you all fight witheachother over which one is more "christian". Most of it is full of contradictions. The only "proof" of Jesus you have to go by is the shroud of Turin which has been debunked time and time again.
There's no viable proof as of yet to prove Jesus or god is even real. What makes the bible any different from Greek mythology? Seriously what's the difference? The bible is just a myth to help people back in the days cope with world around them and what they couldn't explain at the time. And as the world becomes more and more technically advanced and that we can come to terms with saying "we don't know" instead of shoe horning a god, the need for religion to explain our mysteries go way down.
Jose: * gets asked a question * STOP BULLYING MEEEEEEEEE
it's like the call with carlos, "Why should we take the bible seriously?"
"Sir, I'm not cursing on you, please don't curse on me."
"...nobody''s cursing on you...."
*HOLY FUCK!*
"Atheist are just dismissive"
--- Yeah, whatever...
Pffrrrrrrrrrt....
Lol
im sorry, i cant like..... its on 69
@@stika1055 giggidy
@@stika1055 I liked it so its at 70 now, so go ahead lol
Christians be like, "If I feel stupid, it can't possibly be because I actually am stupid, or because my beliefs are stupid. Therefore, I must be the poor, defenseless victim of some evil genius' elaborate and sinister scheme."
@Hans Slane There are more fails than words in that sentence.
Narcisism at it's finest.
Appearance of design = Design
Appearance I look stupid = Hey, your questions an fancy talk are trickin me into.... The Devil has taken your...
Galorboymikl
A Funny written that's all .
Matt: how can I tell if you are correct?
Jose: why are making me look stupid.
Dan: Pentecostals.....
Jose: that's crazy stuff!
Ok Jose. Ok.
Dan: Speaking in tongues
Jose: That’s ridiculous!!
🤦🏼♀️
Jose is soooo incredibly naively and frustratingly IGNORANT! He plays the Constant Victim! I recommend that he gets fast-tracked into the Dunning-Kruger HALL OF FAME!
@@chrissilver8461 Jose just sounds like a whyney baby!
Cloning is part of the new world order stay awake
Michael Corleone you’re a fucking moron. And a coward
What a professional victim Jose is, everyone just manipulating him like that. Can’t people see his experience is the only experience?
😭😭😭🤣
@Boot Hat exactly lol
I am quite disappointed that people here are so critical of this guy. He sounds like a young person indoctrinated into a religion, who is actually questioning things.
So please do politely debate with him, he sounds like some one who over time actually has a high probability of figuring out the BS, but if you are an asshole to him - it just pushes him back to the seemingly accepting evangelicals...
Save the being rude thing for the older people who should know better or anyone blatantly using religion for profit
Agreed. He's a self righteous little jerk. He's severely deluded and wants to stay that way.
Jose, in his right mind, would be at least embarrassed and hopefully ashamed of himself.
@@mbburry4759
Jose is old enough to know the concept of truth.
He is being dishonest & narrow-minded.
Jose just doesn't like it when people don't politely accept his beliefs as fact. It's a very fragile form of entitlement.
Very common amongst religious people ... Even hardcore beliefs acknowledge the fact that not everybody believes, but they must be stupid and bad and what else, because they don't believe what is true. A vicious circle of stupidity.
"Are you afraid of Chucky and a vampire coming through your window, Dan?!"
No...but you're afraid of "demons" coming through yours, so...yeah...
I read this right when he started that question regarding Chucky.
Well I love how the caller wants people to take him at his word, but he refuses to take Pentecostals at their word about speaking in tongues, since they believe things that he doesn't. The only people they take at their word are ones that believe what they believe. That's religion, and it demonstrates that its all bullshit. (Jose- I had an experience, I'm right!! take me at my word!!, someone else - I spoke in tongues!! Jose - "well thats just crazy")
Well said...
Jose is soooo incredibly naively and frustratingly IGNORANT! He plays the Constant Victim! I recommend that he gets fast-tracked into the Dunning-Kruger HALL OF FAME!
Don't those pentecostals hold tent show contests? Lolla Choop Spoonk Spoonk, GACK! When you hear "gack", call the paramedics!
Cloning is part of the new world order stay awake
Michael Corleone piece of shit
It’s callers like this that make me TOTALLY understand why Matt loses it on occasion. Jose is insufferable!
I think the word you're looking for is dishonest rather than insufferable. His whining passive aggressive victim attitude is entirely constructed in a piss poor attempt to deflect questions he doesn't want to answer.
gazza595 Yes, yes. Whiny, annoying, passive aggressive, ignorant, defensive - which all makes him quite insufferable to listen to. He’s called before and he wasn’t any better then. Bloody awful.
I think Matt was insufferable on this one. There's nothing wrong with civility.
@Hans Slane Only his temper, not a debate or argument.
@Hans Slane emotions are brought on by thoughts and thoughts are brought on by emotions...you’re not actually saying anything of substance there whatsoever.
"Atheists are dismissive" "no we're not" *click*
would've been funny
Well, it's partly true, as dismissive can be logical, and in this case it is, but logic is incompatible with religion
Jose's mind has an insurmountable firewall hardwired into it where critical thinking simply stops. Absolutely incredible.
If someone told Jose a story about their experience with the holy spirit he would believe it if it matched his existing idea of what such an experience should be.
good way to experiment would be to describe one and then finish with “ah. allah is so great” lmao
Yup exactly. That’s exactly how my extended family does it with things and they’re Jewish lol.
as soon as you ask for proof in a debate, and your opponent cannot offer proof, the default defense is to call you dismissive
And to call you hostile, that you’re angry, mean, picking on them.
Logic he has every right to be hostile when people claim to know what he believes. It’s probably the worst you can do. That said we are all humans with emotions so I just don’t care enough to worried over hurt feelings. People make the choice to call in; Matt and the other hosts don’t call out.
Logic and that wasn’t my only point. We all have emotions. Too bad if you call into a show where debate can get heated.
my mother has been doing this to me to about 35 years
Matt is getting better with his "savage mode" and I'm loving it. So entertaining. Also after gazing into my magic crystal ball, I can state that Jose got nothing out of the call whatsoever. His victimhood remains strong.
Well if you had the same talk for a couple of hundred times...
when someone says "dont cuss at me i immediately am out of the convo because i assume im talking to a child.
“I can’t answer your direct question because you’re trying to make me look like an idiot”
- Jose
Theistic logic at its finest folks
Matt sometimes jumps on people unnecessarily and it can derail good conversations. And he complains about being interrupted and then he interrupts the caller repeatedly. Matt needs to chill
@@peetrpeetr You need to stop being butthurt, Jose.
@Logic .... yes, I think it's unnecessary, that's why I made the comment; are you too brilliant to understand that?
@Hans Slane Yes.
@Logic ....I don't remember anything in your comments that was difficult to understand; perhaps you're just concentrating on acting superior and forgetting to actually say something novel or interesting.
"I'll only take someone at their word if it fits my narrative" - Jose the Intellectual Hypocrite
Caller says “yes you just take people on their word, just believe them when they claim something”
And then he won’t just believe Matt when he makes claims
Jose expects Matt to just speak to him like someone in a light/casual conversation where people just allow stupid statements to go unchecked.
I've been talking to a person online for the past two months or so who's EXACTLY like that, someone who clearly has never been challenged on his claims before in his life. He'll make random statements that he pulls straight out of his ass and when I ask him to prove it he loses his mind, like he cannot comprehend the idea of backing up one's statements with actual facts. He loooves to use anecdotes and personal observations, so he'll say some dumb shit like "70% of people do X" and when I ask him to show sources that back up his statistical claim he'll tell me to "just go outside and experience the world" as if that's proper evidence
Nah he meant he talks using his own language atheist spin tactics where no real logic can penetrate..But it is his show right
@@tylercampbell6365 What in this entire video are the atheists being verbally tricky or dishonest with their _questions?_
@@tylercampbell6365 that’s an excuse u make to compensate for how illogical the theist position is and instead of being intellectually honest u make excuses about it because u can’t reconcile the fact that Jose’s logic is illogical.
@@tylerdurden6917 Really because you guys don't have an answer either..You have played with God's chemistry set and have come to understand some things about it but still end with zip..If you ever figure out and verify all of those theories you guys have let us know.. Untill then have fun living in sin...😎
Con artists would love this guy.
Correction. They do love him.
I'm pretty sure Jose is doing fine. He owns this bridge in New York AND he is owed millions from royalty in Nigeria.
Ask him if he wants to buy the brooklyn bridge for 9 dolllars
Was gonna say, "and have".
“I can’t understand basic English, so you must not be speaking like a normal person”
I understood why he said that because he didn't realize he was using his own argument against him
Cloning is part of the new world order stay awake
Michael Corleone you’re a fucking moron. I can’t wait to kick your stupid ass
wlb2121 how? Let me guess I’m conspiracy theorists since apparently I’m awake to the truth while your not. Listen my friend don’t be shocked when it happens
@@francismanalese7337 What's wrong with your face?
“Are we fucking clear?” Best response for someone hurt by words. Thank you Matt. People need to get off their high horse regarding swear words. Your hurt feelings about words is really telling.
Now if only people would feel that way about slurs and pronouns, too.
"You're trying to make me look like an idiot."
No, Matt is asking you very straight forward QUESTIONS, but if your answers are idiotic.... well... there you go! 🤷♂️
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
Find us evidence, then we won't be so dismissive.
He's got evidence but we can't agree what it is
@@JB_inks If his evidence is personal experience then he has no evidence.
@@sallyhines7527 or at least no evidence he would agree is valid for us
@Robert Letto
Please demonstrate that I'm unwilling to accept theism. Give specific details. (Hint; you can't. Don't make assumptions about people. You're using a strawman)
@@zoggdawg8141 Exactly. I am quite willing to accept the idea of theism if someone was to prove the existence of that god. To not, would be delusional.
Ah the age old argument of, "I know what I Know because I know it and don't you dare ask me how."
Jose is so hesitant to answer directly because he's fighting the reality of the questions.
“It’s not the same thing, it’s not the same thing!
Special pleading… gotta love it.
Matt made Jose look like an idiot by answering Jose's call.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure that as the nurse dialled the number for Jose, she muttered "....fucking idiot" under her breath. Matt can't claim responsibility for Jose looking like an idiot all on his own. And he's [Jose sounds] old enough to know that picking your nose and breathing through an open mouth while trying to direct traffic in a hospital gown, kind of....factors into the whole idiot/not idiot calculus
“Matt is mean, so I’m right.”
Listening to Matt makes him feel unsure of himself, so therefor, Matt must be doing tricky atheist debate tactics!
In the core of arguments I'm on Matts side, but he really is being mean here.
Matt is a big stinky meany poo poo face!
Matt is, in fact, an asshole.
@@rekunta Where's your evidence>😏
WOW that was painful! He was dodging Matt's questions at every turn the world is a scary place with so many people with that much illusion
Delusion
Humans haven’t evolved much in thousands of years. They’re still mired in superstition and nonsense. And it’s scary that one political party in the US wants to turn the US into a theocracy. Those people are worse than ISIS or the taliban.
It's amazing how inaccessible Jose was to the fact he was so scathing about Pentecostals believing crazy shit and can't see what he just did.
This fool Jose is so damn deeply indoctrinated.
The hosts didn't make the caller Jose look like an idiot, he did it all by himself.
Jose's call was interrupted so many times.... was it technical or could even the holy ghost not stand his bad tapdancing performance anymore?
The cables carrying the information of the call couldn't hold all of Jose's big brain ideas 😂
Caller: Let's have a conversation
Matt: Ok, let's begin!
Caller: Waaaaah! Stop having a conversation with me! You are being mean! My butt hurts! Boo hoooo!
It is So "hostile" to not agree with jose ........ boohoo .............
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@@NeverTalkToCops1 BÄÄ HÄÄ (sheep ) ...........
Religion is geographical wherever you are born determines what religion you will be.
Agreed. Religion's main method of spreading is through birth. It's why most religions encourage being "fruitful," discourage contraceptives, and vilify abortion
@Laura Streeter Agreed as well. Christianity originally spread when it was state mandated by the Roman Empire. Islam did the same thing. Convert, or die.
Fuck Olaf Tryggvason. I wonder what wouldve been different had the Nordic countries not been Christianized
Mykhalable : who’s forcing Americans and Europeans to convert? Ignorant bitch.
@@earendilthemariner5546 For starters, the Avengers would probably have Jesus on the team.
I love how frustrated he gets by not knowing, but doesn't realize that's his brain telling him something doesn't make sense lol
It’s religious entitlement. Jose is literally just upset that that Matt didn’t validate his entitlement and wouldn’t coddle him by telling him he’s right. He feels entitled to have EVERYONE agree with him, and never question. So when someone asks even a simple question like “how can we know you’re telling the truth? he instantly panics, cries, and has a tantrum.
Not just because he doesn’t have any way to tell the truth of his claims, mainly because Matt dared to ask any question rather than just repeat “you’re right, now I believe anything you tell me”, which is what he’s used to hearing. He’s so mad that he was exposed he had to attack Matt and say he’s just denying everything.
"Dan was respectful and didn't try to spoonfeed me." Actually, Dan broke the truth down and put it in a baby bottle for José. Matt made him eat his FUCKING broccoli, and chew every bite!
Caller does not understand that there is thought and method behind Matt's questions.
@Logic Perhaps you are right, but that would mean the caller is a dishonest person. I did not want to assume the worst. :)
I think he understands perfectly well.
In fact, I'd say that he knows where Matt's line of questioning is headed, which is why he deflects so much.
I see it as kindness and patience on Matt's part, despite the caller's constant evasions and deflections, strawmanning and veiled accusations.
It makes for effective Socratic theatre as well. Any thinking person who observes this dialogue is bound to wonder why the caller is so desperately resistant to seeing the very clear propositions that Matt is putting forth. All the called can do is CLAIM to understand and then immediately deflect as if he hadn't heard a word, or complain that the use of logic is somehow "not normal" and he is being made to look foolish.
The part about looking foolish is true, but nobody except the caller is responsible for that. And he can't even be honest enough to take responsibility.
Matt almost went full Samuel L. Jackson on this guy 😂
" do you speak Logic Mother Fkr"?
What ain't no country i ever heard of.
Do they speak English in What?!
You mean Sam Jackson?
@@streetepistemology9988 LOL I THOUGHT HE MEANT MACE WINDU
@@streetepistemology9988 🤭🤭😭😭
If Jose - GA calls again, ask him 'if a Muslim person 'has an experience' with their god, would he (Jose) believe him/her (a Muslim person) about the claim.
The problem with people who believe in “God” is that they build their entire lives on a foundation of lies and are afraid the truth will set them free, and they don’t know how to start over. Cognitive dissonance at its best.
Matt: what’s your justification for knowing it was the holy spirit?
Jose: my justification is knowing what I felt
Matt:
Jose: that is my justification
Wtf 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I feel rich and tall! Just because I feel it, doesn’t make it true. 😜
There’s this way that Jose deflects, it’s like he’s picking up on the soundness of the argument and then his rhetoric avoids that.
Yep, I've noticed that with a lot of callers on this show. They're right on the precipice of where they'd have to recognize a truth, and it's as if some defense mechanism kicks in ... like when a computer reboots because the operating system has become unstable ... their brain reboots with the Theist OS reasserted, and you're back to square one. Usually accompanied by the words "I completely understand."
Matt, your patience with Jose is absolutely incredible.
What we have here is someone holding a freshly dipped paint roller by the roll, trying and failing to hit someone with the handle, and getting angry that their target is painting them.
Another thing is that faith is just a belief not a proof. They really can’t grapple with life without a god figure and it’s honestly sad
If you aren't grappling why are you here?
@Enjoy and Travel The World!
It makes you glad to see Christians owned so you must be glad this is the only time you will ever have and everything about you will soon end forever. Odd thing to be happy about.
@Enjoy and Travel The World! ♥️ You're Romans 1:28. Why are you wasting what little time you have left here when you will soon be "destroyed forever" (Psalm 92:7). ♥️
Cloning is part of the new world order stay awake. This is why christians are ready and athesits are not. they are so asleep while christians are already for whats to come
Michael Corleone what a piece of shit. You can’t even spell correctly. Sad sad sad little person
Yes, we will gladly dismiss made up stories and quotes from disproven fairy tales. If you want us to not dismiss you, provide evidence.
Maybe this is Jose's audition tape to HOPEFULLY get out jury duty for the rest of his life.
If someone asks you a question 17 times and you refuse to answer,who is making who look like an idiot?
Jose does all the Idiocy HIMSELF, ...................
Matt gives him a simple example of logic. He can't cope with it so begins to accuse Matt of trying to confuse him. What can you do with a guy like that?
Religious people get upset at the use of a word.
But not about slavery, child rape, slaughter, racism etc
EXACTLY
My tolerance for whiners shrinks the older I get
@august opus ok
Jose-what a passive aggressive whiney baby!
Awww, Jose's feelings were hurt.
When Matt said he wouldn't talk with him anymore I think we all knew what would happen
He lasted like three minutes lol
It's like walking a toddler through a store & trying to keep them from touching everything or wandering off.
That Dan guy has phenomenal bone structure
Meth
@@zackhall2681 People obviously can't just be skinny and have strongly defined facial features. It's definitely better to assume someone you don't know is doing hard drugs, definitely.
Such a nice way to approach new people and get first impressions.
He's recently switched to a non-meat diet. He was overweight before but I think he's dipped a little too far under. Hopefully once he's got used to things he'll strike a good balance.
He looks gorgeous.
Jose the best example of what religion has done to the human mind!! Scaryyy I live amongst them
Taking someone at their word is how EVERY THEIST came to belief.
After listening to only a few callers, I'm struck by how confused and unable to articulate clearly what they believe and why. It's quite disconcerting how many people live their lives in this daze.
Not dissimilar to being in,dare I say, a cult. I am so happy I've escaped those shackles. Love your show, even though it's hard to endure most arguments(?).
I've been in a bar in Chicago durning a Cubs playoff game and felt the emotion that was in the room. Is that the holy sprint or just being emotional charged by the enviroment.
I was in a bar in Oregon with a buddy in 93, cheering for the Bluejays. Everyone else was cheering for the Braves. Jays won. The locals were not happy. We bought them all a drink. We were heroes. It was a miracle. Praise Hesus.
Metal shows do it for me. Chills head to toe. Lightening through my veins. And I also used to feel that way at church when I was a brainwashed kid. So I’m quite sure it’s not gawd
“Matt you come across as so logical when I speak to you and when I give bad reasons for belief, you better stop that!”
I had the feeling that he was so close to understanding something.
Well, when I was a christian you couldn't have convinced me of anything, I had to come to the conclusion that there is no god on my own.
Jose is great at telling us what everyone else thinks, but can't give a direct answer to a question aimed at him
That was painful. I don’t know is an honest answer, which he refuse to admit. If you’re looking for answers, stop lying to to yourself first.
Poor Jose. He seems like a really nice guy, he's just been conned into believing things for which there is no evidence. The people that did that to him deserve to be punished.
Forcing religion on children is child abuse. Brain scans show the results of this trauma. Unfortunately you cannot reason with faith.
Yeah I agree with you there. I feel like he's an okay guy who is just really pathetically lost. If he hadn't been raised in an environment that told him these things were real, he could be living a life that isn't founded on ignorance and he could have the ability to deal with truths and not get upset so easily when faced with them. I feel bad for him because he does seem like a decent person but I think he's very likely a lost cause. He never developed the tools to do anything besides see himself as a victim and convince himself that others are just manipulative. It's another unfortunate example of what endoctrinating young minds will do and the often permanent damage it causes. Really sad and frustrating. I hope someday he can turn a corner.
Jose : mom , mom , I got 88 on this test !!
Jose's mom : son , that was an iq test .
Last time i experienced a thunderstorm, i felt Thor's presence. Im in SoCal and i cant remember last time it rained/thunderstormed. Thor has forsaken this area
What can I do with someone else's personal experience? If someone has a personal experience of mithra are you then compelled to believe that mithra is real?
Brilliant, well said
NO ! ..............
One time I had a dream where spongbob and peps pig teamed up to kill me with an a AK47
@@snipercow861 I know a psychologist if you need one
@@snipercow861 And in my dream I finished the work with a 12,7 mm .............
Always love a new AxP vid. :)
Alien versus predator?
Love Matt!!! Why can't people just answer the question!
When he says you don't talk like normal people he is basically saying if you communicate with him in a logical way instead of just believing then you're not communicating like a normal person.
Arrogance and stupidity are the bane of humanity
To be plagued with the thought process of Jose, like that of so many other people of faith, must surely be its own punishment. A life of unreality followed by oblivion.
Jose is so offended that he's being dismissed when he wants to dismiss everyone else's experiences. HIS experience is true because FEELINGS.
Dan did right by this guy when he started talking about his experience with the Hare Krishnas and brain science. I think that might be a way to reach SOME of these people.
The reason Matt trips people up is because they said something that they don't understand. The people trip themselves up.
I gotta say, Matt is a trooper. Constantly trying to make rational, logical points to irrational, illogical people.
"Feelings are unreliable when you don't know what you're feeling" besides just admitting to confirmation bias, someone should teach this kid about phantom pain. Heck, if you have something as common as sciatica, you feel pain in your leg, but the problem is in your back.
I love it when callers tell Matt not to swear 😂
He can be a bit harsh, but I know a lot it is justified based on most of the callers.
I wish more people would watch this because it's super important to understand how to actually assess evidence and why faith is not a good way of finding truth.
Jose should have just come out and said "I believe some people and I don't believe others, and it's all based on my feelings".
Wow what a great episode!
I feel sad that Matt kept saying "Dan, you talk to him" - and Dan barely got a word out
What a shock, Matt won't shut his fucking mouth even after he invites someone else to talk.
@@mnschoen -- I'm with you. I'm very much an atheist, but Matt is a hardcore prick, even to people that are being perfectly nice to him. Yeah, the caller was avoiding the questions, but you have to expect it due to the tap dancing required in Christianity. Still, the folks on Talk Heathen treat every caller with much more respect, even if callers are saying stupid things.
@@trekkiejunk just curious, can you give me your explanation why we should respect people who say stupid things?
@@ericmishima
Because we all say stupid things at times, as you just posted.
@@johnlopperman2161 and that deserves... respect?
And why is asking someone for clarification 'stupid'?
All the personal “experiences” to explain the Holy Spirit, in the history of the world, add up to a big fat nothing.
Why is MY non experience of God considered worthless by theists ? Perhaps because I never send them any money ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 love it, keep it up Matt
26:22 The moment when Matt gives the caller the finger without him knowing it.