oh god lmao havent reached the part in the video yet. Makes me sad. I haven't been a Christian since I was 14 but even I still remember which part of the bible Exodus is in lol
There are Christians who think the Bible is just the new testament plus Psalms and Proverbs because of the free little edited Bibles that are handed out by some Churches. Sad.
If Christianity is proven to be true, I would believe that the Christian god is real, but I would not be Christian, as I am not willing to be associated with the God that condoned slavery, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, infanticide, misogyny and the orchestrated genocide of every living thing on the planet. I would not compromise my morals by worshipping what is essentially a celestial Stalin
@FACE GALLON in my view, I'd rather be tortured knowing I was a free, rational person than live being some kind of submissive slave. God may be all powerful (if he exists) but might never makes right
@FACE GALLON Do you think that a god who would punish people for being honest about not believing him would be KIND enough to not arbitrarily just torture anyone he feels like? There's no way to know who he would torture, and no way to know why he would do it. Therefore it'd be best to live your normal life.
@@DoubleDe it's as Scott put it, morality in the theological sense is quite literally "God said so". So if this God is a fan of suffering, then suffering of others is moral. And if we applied that type of thinking, we'd be no better than dictatorships like the USSR or theocracies like Saudi Arabia
@@PhrontDoor You say "there is no way to tell who he would torture and no way to know why he would do it", but there is a book that tells us that if Christianity were true, that would mean that Hell exists. If you do not *obey* God, you go to Hell; if you do not repent of your "sins", you go to Hell; if you do not believe in God, you go to Hell. Hell is a place of eternal torture. I would say we know exactly WHO and WHY he would torture.
"If Christianity Is Proven True, Will You Be A Christian?" is like asking : "Will you willingly become a citizen of North Korea & obey, follow & revere the Kim Jong family?" Scott's reply was perfect.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
The Bible is good in one sense of the word "good", we have a written history of all the horrible atrocities (slavery) humans have committed against each other and hopefully we won't make those same mistakes again because the horrible atrocities will not be forgotten because they are recorded in the Bible. The Bible is a book of metaphorical fairytales, but the horrible things that humans did to each other seem to be true, if we didn't have a written history of all these horrible things we might repeat the same horrible things all over again.
@@SongWhisperer That is an obvious misunderstanding since the bible actually advocates for those horrible atrocities. Therefore your assertion that it is somewhat to be interpreted as a lesson to not repeat those mistakes is obviously wrong, it's the opposite actually.
@@TheFindol I'm not saying the Bible is teaching that lesson, I'm saying that the people who understand that the things in the Bible are wrong, than it's a good tool to be used against the idea of slavery. (IMO) the Bible is a better tool for learning about what is wrong rather than teaching what is right, if that makes sense?
@@SongWhisperer Hmm, I get what you mean. I guess I kinda misinterpreted your intentions. It kinda makes sense but not really because the bible tries to convince you that those are good things. So I don't know if you could consider it a good tool in that regard.
Christian me would have had a different answer, because I didn't understand how the Bible condoned slavery and believed that God was the only one worthy to be my master. I was ignorant and naive, despite having studied the Bible for years.
@@zemorph42 For me, when I was christian, it was not understanding that magic isn't an explanation for anything. My beliefs boiled down to god is magic, so it can do anything. Once I took a logic class, and learned what unfalsifiable meant, it was like an epiphany. People rely way too much on personal experience, when they don't have the tools to diagnose their experience. I was like that too. I had a pretty bad motorcycle accident when I was 17 and still a gullible moron. While I was in midair, looking at the ground and everything was in slow motion, I heard a voice in my head that said "close your eyes" . I did, and then woke up still rolling on the ground. I used to say that voice was my personal proof of god. I now understand that I had no good reason to assume that, thanks to logic and philosophy. The more you know and understand, the less you are capable of believing in sky fairy nonsense.
@Mike Hobson Awww, aren't you just so adorable! Are you a toddler? You sound like a widdwe toddwer with hurt widdwe feewings :( I know if I held a dumbass belief getting roundly ridiculed by people that say things I don't understand, I'd probably be a butthurt little toddler like you too. But I actually understand all the words, so I can't really relate to mouth breathers like you. Now I'll point out every way you are stupid and wrong, I know you won't be able to grasp it, but someone else might read this exchange, this is for them: """" the bible doesnt believe in majic""""" The buybull DEPENDS on magic. Your sky daddy dictator is a literal magician, speaking shit into existence, you dumbass clown. The other main character in that book of nonsense fables, Jesus, pretended to cast magic demons out of people. Do you even read your own book, you complete fool? """"a christ denying website""""" A couple things, you dumbass simpleton, first, this is a video, on a website, are you really saying all of youtube is 'a christ denying website'? Maybe don't type when you're so mad your dim brain won't even do the bare minimum, yikes dude. Second, Nobody is denying anything, you and your ilk are failing to prove your claims. You can't deny something that isn't real, so go ahead and demonstrate your shy daddy dictator exists, then we can talk. """"""-unless you believe the you came from a mudpuddle"""""" I don't claim to know where life comes from, unlike your dumbass that thinks you know magic did it, but you refuse to call magic, magic. How pathetic are you? (very) """"""pro-fairy in a parade nonsense.""""""" Are you mentally retarded? Are you having a stroke right now? What the fuck are you even talking about? This isn't even close to any other bullshit strawman I've ever heard from other complete imbiciles like you. Fucking embarassing """""you bent a knee to the godless """"" Again, you literally could not be more wrong. I bend my knee to nothing, most certainly not the story book character that demand you kneel before it. Again, something YOU do, that I do not do in any way, but you accuse me of doing what YOU do. Why are you such a dumb, piece of lying shit? Why? Ok, you said some incredibly dumb shit to someone else, so I'll cover that too, I have never seen someone in the comments as brain dead and completely stupid as you are. """"""and your still stupid, """"" It's you're, you complete moron, if you want to call someone stupid, you can't prove you are the stupid one, it immediately shits right on you. """""""to reallllllllllllllly hear the truth"""" Another problem with you being so stupid, you can't even tell that people aren't here to suckle from the teat for what someone tells them is true, like your dumbass does from your book and your preacher. You are so fucking dumb, this is waaay to easy. Get super mad and respond with more incredibly dumb shit, please.
This whole call is fucking hilarious. One of the best slavery calls I've heard from Matt. His frustration matched with Kendall's tap dancing and arrogance is amazing.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
I love how Christians say they live by the Bible but don't know what it says and freak out when a non Christian not only reads the Bible but understands it better than the believer.
Yep it really sends them into a frenzy state and then they start spouting off irrational self opinions, calling it proof...i literally dont have the patience for it anymore,,it happens every dam time u show them a fact....and they can not comprehend any type logic..... its so aggravating
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
" (Christians)....freak out when a non-Christian not only reads the Bible but understands it better.....etc" That's worse than a Star Trek hater quoting from one of Spock's lesser-known speeches proving that he contradicts himself. Blasphemy.😂
I completely understand Matt’s rage. I feel the same. It never gets better. Unbelievable the pure utter dishonesty this filthy religion breeds in ordinary people.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
@•- By understanding morality and authoritarianism. Also, you have to prove there is an ultimate authority first, so get to it. Be the first to prove there actual is any god. Once you do that maybe we can talk about it. You also could just watch the video you're responding to, and listen to comprehend.
@•- They have no ultimate authority, just a worldview that makes the existence of objective moral values and duties impossible. They will nevertheless continue to pass moral judgements and express moral outrage in order to be able to critique Christianity and the Bible because they either do not realise that they're living in a contradiction or they're the kind of people who want to have it both ways with morality, in the same way that someone wants to have their cake in their possession and eat it as well.
@•- Hitchens has a term named after him in the Christian community for a reason after all. It's called the Hitchens Two Step. It involves switching back and forth between moral subjectivism and objectivism depending on which stance is more convenient to your narrative at the time of speaking. The most common area where this switch instantaneously occurs is when people of Hitchens ilk will switch from morality being entirely subjective to being objective in order to be able to critique the Bible
@@markburch6253 I should have said that you have no ultimate authority with respect to your beliefs, the principle belief being that there is nothing outside of ourselves which can be classed as being the source of objective moral values and duties
The _have_ to. The only way to have a Milti-Omni Christian God is to argue that the slavery in the Bible is somehow moral. To argue that the slavery was put in there against his wishes would mean he's either not Omnipowerful (otherwise he could have stopped it), not Omnipresent or Omniknowing (otherwise he would have known to stop it), or not Omnibenevolent (otherwise he would have wanted to stop it).
You should watch Whaddo You Memes response to CosmicSkeptics critique of slavery in the bible. What this 3 part series of videos show is that atheists prooftext the Bible like a lazy college student looking to quote-mine a text for an essay without being aware of any of the context surrounding these quoted passages that they pluck out and present singularly, such as commands not to mistreat foreigners, to love them as yourself, not to oppress them, grant these people with human rights that actually were superior to rights afforded within this culture at that time, instructions on what to do if a foreigner becomes wealthy, not to kidnap or force anyone into unpaid labour against their will and so on.
Kit Cumbie Meaningless insults with no engagement to any arguments that I present have as much of an effect on me as the last placed team in a basketball team signing a player has on the NBA champions mate
@Barthelemy We know your views are based on that Book written by ignorant uncivilized bronze age goat herders called the Bible. No wonder you justify something as despicable as slavery!
I like how he goes "I win because they have to let the slaves go every 50 years" as if the act of owning people as slaves in the first place isnt the problem
Better yet, it's apparently 'all-forgiving' yet punishes people eternally KNOWING they would be sinners and non-believers before creating them. That is just fucked. Like I'll knowingly build a faulty device/motor/construct then blame it for being faulty.
@@CsykKrit Yes, and some even imply it's all because Satan gave his OPINION that humans might be disloyal, if given a 'choice', and then that he should have the right to deceive and entrap even more of them, after both he and God had become invisible to them...
There's quite a bit that doesn't make sense: So first God created everything perfectly according to his plan, this includes both Adam and Eve nomming on that forbidden fruit as well as the gays in Soddom/Gomorrah really wanting some of that angel ass. Both of those (and of course, everything else as well) has been matching up with his plan perfectly. Then, everything continued to go according to his plan, which resulted in everyone being drowned, the result of generational incest and then needing some saving for their sins. Now, to absolve them of their acts he basically pro-programmed them to do, he has to cast himself into mortal flesh, go on a rockband world-tour with his groupies, crucify himself (remember, ultimately it weren't the Romans who crucified Jesus, as they only followed God's plan) to himself, endure a shitty 3-day-weekend and then reunify himself with himself in heaven. .... Yeeeeeaaaaah makes total sense :D
@@christiansoldier1118Funny enough, Einstein never said he believed in any personal God, so your point is completely moot and nothing but a gaint strawman.
True. Some Christians look at that and claim they weren't slaves in the modern sense because of that word. But they were slaves in the modern sense cause you could own them for life as property, pass them down to family, beat them, and of course they were unpaid and sold by people. That's a modern understanding of a slave even if the word Bondman didnt mean slave these days. The word for it doesn't matter.
Was the word "bondman" used from the earliest editions and translations of the Bible? If the usage came later, it might have been a deliberate attempt to whitewash the term.
My entire religious family LOVES the “oh that’s just the Old Testament. We have the New Testament,” response. They seriously just ignore the whole thing to make it convenient. It’s exhausting.
@@ummmno3871 Well that CLEARLY explains that you don't understand the difference between OT and NT. As in the purposes of each. The OT was law and history before Christ came to earth and also to explain his purpose to be among the people. Once Jesus came and dwelt with men and was crucified on the cross the OT was history and its laws such as animal sacrifices were no longer upheld as well as stoning children for disobedience and those caught in adultry like the in John 8:1-11 under the old testament she would have been stoned. For your convenience here's the story as told: John 8:1-11 1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. 7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” Why do believers constantly say that's old testament? That's why. Matt also adores saying Jesus was God, at the sametime he was and he wasn't, here's why, Jesus was of God and 100% a perfect representative of God. Before he was born of Mary he was with God along with the Holy Spirit. The term God in the flesh is accurate. Now at the sametime he was not God is because he was in human form (also in God's plan for the perfect sacrifice because he DID NOT EVER SIN). He is still the son of God, that also means he had the authority to do EXACTLY what he did with the woman caught in the very act of adultry. There are NUMEROUS other examples just like that one. In other words the EXACT LETTER of the LAW in the OT was nailed to the cross with Jesus Christ when HE BECAME the sacrifice for man's sin. Matt loves to bash God and the Bible for something in the OT that is no longer law ANYTHING that is still revelant is repeated in the New Testament. NOW the old testament is STRICTLY for learning the way the letter of the law used to be, hence the very name OLD TESTAMENT.
@@darinb.3273 Ephesians 6:5, NIV: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." this is the new testament and clearly sanctions Slavery. Next.
@Steve you... do realize that this is a joke, right? christianity will die out too, as humanity solves and explains more things, debunking a lot of christianity. like how greek mythology died out, because we were able to explain more things. christianity will lose its grasp, as humanity peels off the bandage of religion. I know, i already used that metaphor once, but its a great metaphor.
@Steve I have never seen anyone with eternal life before, and where is the offer? can i see the contract? I wanna see the offer man, its like trading something without even knowing what the other is going to give you, or heck, they'll just scam ya. no, until i see a contract, or someone that has actually been given eternal life. let me tell ya, dont blindly believe in a god because a book says so. Ask questions, get your brain wrinkling.
@Steve maybe i DONT WANT eternal life. mainly because i dont want to see the sun explode, the human race die out, and eventually the universe dying out too.
Have you seen the way they were packed into the ships? It was near enough to the way sardines are packed in cans. How a human being could even thing of such a think has always baffled me.
@Vidhya Dhara Wow. You are truly stupid. I found 40 sites that agree with the the fact that Africa had slavery....in just 5 seconds. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
@deadend American slavery was based on race. Biblical slavery was based on conquest and usury. My comment stands. Hebrews could enslave other hebrews of the same race. White Americans could not enslave other white Americans legally. Speaking of looking at a map, you understand that the bible didn't take place in Europe right? Why did you interject Europe into the conversation? The original comment was about biblical vs. American.
Kendall is a perfect example of the modern theist: completely ignores or dishonestly fails to acknowledge the multiple contradictions/fallacies within the infallible book.
My christian family will say those bad parts are where the Bible was corrupted by men. 🙄 So then how do you know which parts are corrupted and which parts aren’t. “Faith”.
Lowercase Horse2 sure, but that actually goes for all people with magical beliefs. It’s sad that we still need a god to fill in the gaps our knowledge.
“Stuff went from 0-100 real fricking quick” Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
bingYUANs because apologists cannot accept what is written and have to play word gymnastics for their own peace of mind, even going so far as to say slavery then didn’t mean slavery like we know it, as if it changed over time.
Its not that, its that apologists dance around the issue and try to deny that the bible condones slavery to begin with. They are emotionally attached to the dogma, so they deny that it condones immorality.
@@desertguy395 I agree they base their entire lives based on this book. Some even go so far as to never have sex until marriage to appease god. It’s not going to be easy for someone who has restructured their entire life to this book to just drop it. They may fall into depression and hopelessness. I never believed as far as I can remember but after explaining this to some people I saw them go through this and honestly I felt bad so I keep my opinions to myself but sometimes it’s too hard not too.
@@Jambuc829 When someone is that deeply identified with a belief, especially a religious belief, it's best to just not engage with them. Look at what Matt goes through, and most of the time, after repeatedly debunking everything they throw at him with incredible brilliance, they still won't let go of it. I almost never confront them, unless they show up at my front door wanting to spout that stuff. Then all bets are off.
That exactly it, "They know they are wrong", that's the power of indoctrination, it is the denial of irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable conclusive evidence, "they know they are wrong" but I have the right to refuse your clear, unambiguous evidence in favour of my indoctrinated belief. They have been trying to argue their believed god into existence for millennia, and are no closer today than day one.
"Is that New Testament though?" Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them." EDIT: 10:20 Scott realizing and then trying to signal that he's muted is such a wonderfully funny visual story being told.
Wow. Did a Google search for famous tap dancers and this guy showed up after Astaire and Kelly but ahead of Glover. He’s also listed as helping with the dodge scenes in “The Matrix.”
I used to be disgusted by the Slavery Shuffle. Now I'm amused and disgusted in turns. Christians ought to know by now they can't square this circle, but they just. Keep. Trying. They start off with "Nuh-uh! It don't say what it says!" Then when it's read to them, they go into their dance. "That's the OT!" "It ain't the _bad_ kinda slavery!" "It don't say you _should_ own slaves!" "He couldn't stop 'em, so He made rules!" " _I_ think it's wrong, but it don't matter what _I_ think!" "Who can figure out God? Are _you_ perfect?" The steps are as choreographed as a Broadway show. A real stupid and ridiculous Broadway show.
@@michaelzurilla7639 Well there are no first century witnesses to a Jesus claimed in the Bible and no Christian can present any evidence that a Jesus really existed. There may have been a man, but not a son of a God, that was based on the character of Jesus but there is no definitive proof. The burden is always with the Christian Religion in whatever form to prove it and none of all the denominations have, not one.
@@michaelzurilla7639 Well, quite literally every falsifiable claim in the bible is proven false. Such as Adam and Eve being proven wrong with Evolution, Noah's Ark never happening (or the flood for that matter), etc. And the bible is the only place where the christian god exists, so if it's proven wrong, then so is their god.
This is incredible. If you think about it, this is likely the most accurate reproduction of what it was like to argue about slavery before the American civil war.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
I've heard this argument so many times and this was one of the very best. Great job Scott and Matt! Such a great team. Love to see the two of you interact and react from each other. Scott was killing me as he would laugh and skwirm around at Matt dishing it out. This clip is one I'll come back too again and again, brought a smile to my face. Scott was such a well measured and thoughtful guest host. I'd love to see Matt and Scott do their own side show every week!
I was not arguing for slavery dumbass but disproving Matt's unscholarly incompetent assertion that the bible argues for Slavery. He was so incompetent and dishonest that resorted to the fallacy of quote-mining and cherry-picking.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that the logical conclusion on morality on atheism is that it's a relativistic trick of evolution designed to help get your selfish genes into the next generation. Which makes classifying actions as moral or immoral just as arbitrary depending on who you ask as asking someone what their favourite flavour is of a particular product. Atheists like yourself never the less try to have it both ways on morality here. Embrace moral relativism as being a logically valid description of what morality is, only to then instantaneously switch to moral objectivism in order to be able to criticise the Bible
More precisely, he's being intellectually dishonest in order to hold on to his theology that he desperately wants to keep believing. I did this very thing myself for 15 years.
@@patrickmcardle952 Not so sir, there is no "on atheism". What morality is about, and how to define it, is a separate question from whether there is an invisible dictator watching everyone. Even on your theology you still don't get to an "objective morality" since just bc a powerful being says something is moral that doesn't make it moral. Might-makes-right isn't equivalent to objective. Otherwise Kim Jong Un would be right by fiat due to his absolute power in North Korea. Now, the claim that Yahweh is "good" is just that, a claim, which has not been demonstrated. It's just "for-the-bible-tells-me-so..." So when those of us who reject your claims to the supernatural talk about morality we are typically talking about the general subject of well-being. We don't care what your alleged invisible non-demonstrable Yahweh character says. In other words, you don't have an objective standard for morality either, even when you claim to. The definition of what morality is about pertains to language, and people use words to mean different things. So when you say you think morality is about what a god says or what a gods 'nature' is, I say "nope, that's not what morality is about."
Aaron Lietz Your response does absolutely nothing to solve the problem that you are left with when consistently examining what morality actually is from the standpoint of an atheist. It essentially points the finger to say “Yeah, this is a problem we atheists can’t solve logically, but neither can you theists!” as though this is supposed to be some kind of victory claim, which I’ll show why I think is false later on in this reply. Morality from a consistent atheistic standpoint (as in from the perspective of an atheist that is both courageous and intellectually honest enough to follow the arguments on what morality actually is down to the ground) is a *trick* / *illusion* designed to delude you into thinking that certain acts and behaviours etc. are either moral or immoral that is ingrained within your psyche through the process of evolution by natural selection. The fact of the matter here is that, in accordance with identifying as an atheist, what you may *think* is an innate, intuitive sense of right and wrong is *really* just a mechanism to aid you in your survival and to pass on your DNA to the next generation. This reduces morality to being every bit as arbitrary as the premise that we evolved to have 5 fingers on our hands instead of 3. This also has extremely troubling and harmful ramifications from the standpoint of the atheist, as this view of what morality actually is logically leads you into the conclusion that saying that rape, murder and torturing children for pleasure are all acts that are immoral rather than moral is every bit as reflective of reality as the premise that chocolate ice cream is superior to vanilla ice cream. That is to say, it isn’t a statement that is reflective of reality in any meaningful sense, given that it is nothing more than an expression of personal taste that can’t have any basis in reality outside of your own imagination. Believing in the existence of that which is defined as the greatest conceivable being, which is able to actually account for the existence of good and evil for a start (which atheism cannot. See Dawkins in his writings claim that the universe has all the properties we expect if there is no good or evil, just pitiless indifference as a perfect example) that would therefore logically lead to certain acts being necessarily good and necessarily evil, regardless of what anyone may feel about certain acts themselves, which by definition is what it means for morality to be objective. You can object all you want to the manner with which morality is defined on account of a desire to do and say that which is frowned upon from a Christian perspective (making yourself the God of your own life, succumbing to lust through regular porn consumption, being dictated by greed, envy and wrath to benefit yourself and no one else, narcissistically playing God through creating your own morality that falls apart as being any kind of meaningful moral foundation through being entirely subjective/mind dependent and so on). This doesn’t make that which is good and that which is evil on theism any less accurate or reflective of reality. A reality that atheism arguably forces you to deny through having to look at what seem to be basic features of reality such as a the existence of good and evil as being useful fictions that we are deluding into believing in but which exist in the same way that any fictional concept exists - inside of our own imagination and nowhere else. I’m pretty sure you know too much about reality to deny that good and evil actually exist with a straight face here, which in my view serves to bolster my case against your position.
@@patrickmcardle952 *"Your response does absolutely nothing to solve the problem that you are left with when consistently examining what morality actually is from the standpoint of an atheist."* There is no problem, we base morality on empathy, and secular values such as life, freedom, happiness, etc. You have a problem, you claim your God to be moral but he condones slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, child murder, etc.
It may seem like they are defending slavery buy they are actually “denying” slavery (i.e. “bondsman”, “servant” etc.). They are defending their chidhood indoctrination and the god in their head. Their cognitive dissonance must be quite painful! 😜
That twinkle in Matts's eye when he sees the nonsense about to unfold from the caller is priceless. This caller is the definition of a mindless-sickness.
It’s not even that they’re stupid necessarily, it’s the fact that He apparently was okay with his message being fractured into 6 major ecclesiastico-cultural blocs, divided into 300 major ecclesiastical traditions, composed of over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries, those denominations themselves being composed of over 3,400,000 worship centers, churches or congregations. Why would a supposedly divine being allow that IF his message was so important? Christians literally decided what was the “word of God” and what was to be tossed in the bin. Hell, they can’t even decide on a biblical canon. Christian bibles range from the 73 books of the Catholic Church canon, the 66 books of the canon of some denominations or the 80 books of the canon of other denominations of the Protestant Church, to the 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon. But apparently every Christian in these threads is worshipping the “right” God and reading the ‘right’ Bible. 🙄
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
40 seconds in, "If Christianity were true..." Well, if an _omnipotent, omnipresent_ megalomaniacal tyrant DID exist, I suppose I would have *no choice* but to follow his arbitrary rules... or *rebel,* and suffer the consequences. That's what tyranny IS. Including apologizing to him for stuff that he dislikes about me ("sins"), regardless of whether I consider that stuff to be actually good or bad (harmful to other people). Heck, even if I tried my best to obey, I might hit a "catch 22" and become damned regardless of what I do. Funny enough, we seem to be able to disagree with or outright ignore this supposed tyrant with a zero consequences from Himself. The only ones who seem to be enforcing his supposed are other mortals like ourselves
Short answer they follow a tyrant because he's more powerful than them, and they see power as perfection. But they get mad when I say Hitler is God as well.
@@leyrua I guess that's a more honest way to worship authority "if I don't he/she's gonna squash me like a bug, so, fuck it, I don't like them but I am gonna play good".
If christianity was proven to tell the truth and there was a christian god it would be every human's task and duty to punish and ultimately destroy this corrupted creature for the crimes it committed and all the suffering it still causes to this day.
You mean like beating him with fists, pulling his beard out by the roots, pushing thorns into his scalp, scourging him with a Roman scourge that killed many by itself, and nail him to wooden beams?
touche... if islam were proven true, will you be a muslim? if hinduism were proven true, will you be a hindu? if shintoism were proven true, will you worship the japanese gods? if the chinese gods were proven true, will you worship them? the question "if christianity were proven true, will you be a christian?" is a question that originated from a very shallow mind. there are soooo many religions. answer this question: what *METHOD* did you use to verify that your god is the correct one?
"I'll answer your question honestly and truly if you answer one for me first" ... is awesome. I'll add that to my bandolier. Their true answer is, "no, I'll have to think of some thing so I don't have to drop my faith." "Then your faith is impoverished, immoral, an excuse for tantrum and human power."
This proposition reminds me of the Star Trek episodes with "Q". Yes Q was all-powerful, but nothing he did was worthy of following; and even less of worship.
That is because an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being cannot do something better than what already exists. If it could, it means what it has previously done was not so good, and therefore the being is not omnibenevolent and omniscient.
@@hegyak well, tng is far superior than ds9, and the tng Q episodes are an example of that: TNG asks philosophical questions about God. Ds9 never did that, for example. Of course, philosophy might not be your cup of tea...then you might find ds9 superior.
This one was dishonest on purpose. He said that beating people is immoral and when presented with verse that god allows beating your slaves he ignored it claiming that atheists are wrong. That isn't as simple as being clouded by religion this is viciously dishonest.
If Christianity was proven true...so we need to go through all the contradicts and determine what was "proven true" about this god since the bible god is really just a black hole of contradictions.
The gnostics also thought the Abrahamic God (Yaldabaoth) was "real/true" but not to be worshipped as he was a "lesser god" who created an imperfect world. I guess my point is that even if (hypothetically) the Christian God were proven to be "real/true" that wouldn't necessarily mean that it's a god who is worthy of praise, obedients, or even respect. We would have to investigate wheather he's the only god out there. For all we know this god could just be an abusive, spoiled little child that is abusing the hell out of it's creations when his parents were away on a trip or something.
If I was Jesus I would have went to the cross precisely because of my condemnation of every immoral act carried out by my dad or anyone else...I would have also abolished cruelty to women, children, and animals. I would have stricken down their belief in magic and told them to learn, to read, study etc. That would a hell of a lot more in earning the cross than what supposedly got him there.
@@BaalsMistress oh sorry being a slave for 39 years sounds soooo much better thanks. Also not really true. Infant mortality was extremely high but most who made it passed childhood lived pretty much as long as modern people
Depends on what you mean by Christian. Would I accept that the Christian God exists? Sure. That would mean I am a Christian in some sects. Would I worship it? Hahahaha, hell no. I don't worship evil.
@•- "That was a failure on your part to answer the question" *I answered the question with a rhetorical device. Not my fault you failed to grasp it.* "but Christians are the only ones who can know what good and evil are because God is the judge of everyone." *How do you know?* "Since God is the ultimate authority by which you can know anything to be moral, atheists can only have opinions on what evil is in their worldview." *So, you "know" what evil is with God... because he tells you what evil is? So you don't actually know, you just obey.* "When you call something evil, you’re appealing to a moral standard outside of God." *I am appealing to a **_real_** moral standard.* "The problem is is that, without God, you don’t have any moral standard by which you can judge anything to be good or evil but only opinions and preferences." *I have my own moral standard. Which is the only one that matters to me. All you are doing is saying that "God's moral standard" is what matters to you... in other words, God's opinion is what matters to you.* *And considering the bible, how do you even know what evil is at that point? God is the most evil being in the entire book, by his own standards!*
Excellent! The first 3-4 minutes of this contains among the best commentary I've seen on the subject. I've sometimes been asked the same question and have always given the same answer: "God, you've got a lot of explaining to do." The asker invariably understands, especially when I say, "I don't want to hear excuses". Lately I've been using the simple concept that reality cannot contradict itself: the Bible says "God is love" but it, and billions of years of 'creation', say "God is a monster". Both concepts cannot be true. Thus the Bible's God contradicts reality and cannot exist. No apologist has been able to give a coherent response (one guy argued that animals don't feel pain, therefore God is not cruel.) Your caller's evasions are typical of the usual apologist, who is unable and/or unwilling to be honest with himself or others. After all, conceding your point would shatter his world.
Excellent point......I agree that an all powerful being would desire worship from us exactly the same as we desire being worshipped by bacteria. I've brought this up before and most theists claim that God says he's a jealous God. He does say that in the 10 commandments.
@@damianedwards2327 That may be your definition of god, have fun with that. Let the mature people talk about the matters of their definition of god and which they use to argue against Atheists.
@@QuintarFarenor It's not my definition of God. it's everyone's definition of God, as believers. You're athiest, so you can't TELL anyone who God is. You hear what we follow and decide if Love is useless and pointless to you. As you said.... Good luck with that.
@@damianedwards2327 Love is not useless but it's not my definition of god. Love is the chemical reaction my brain produces when I perceive people I get positive reinforcement from. Love is not a concept any god can even have and certainly not the christian one as much as he tries to claim in his book. Go play in a sandbox here you can't speak for others.
@@QuintarFarenor Actually, Love is what makes you laugh when you watch Seth rogen movies. Bro you jus described the love in your heart like the carburator of an old volkswagen. Haha. You know it's WAY more special than that. And powerful Yes. We have a physical brain and body. But There is a motivation BEHIND all movements of the body that put it in motion. That motivation force....is LOVE Love is the invisible force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. Love is Invisible..and you believe in it. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge. God is the same exact definition. That is why athiests say God is useless and pointless...but y'all talk about it CONSTANTLY That's Awesome.
@Steve okay do you ever think of why God lets children get raped and killed .and the Bible itself talks about killing children & women so much killing and he said don't kill and that's all he tells his people to do and he killed his own .the Bible came from Rome to control us .it's astrology .
@Steve wow Steve that's why I'm glad I'm Free of religion there are many. Christiananity come along in America if you don't repent we'll kill you. you need to do some research to see for yourself set your self free what kind of God would send you to a place called hell to Burn forever .
A moral god would have said of slavery - "don't " A god worried about the poor would not suggest you keep them as slaves , he would suggest you hire them, house them and assist them to escape poverty .
Kendall is the classic, poorly-informed caller who thinks he has a good response for every argument and absolutely REFUSES to hear what anyone says if it doesn't agree with his ideas. He tries to dance away from answering Matt's questions but doesn't know enough to successfully change the topic. Kendall also sounds about half-drunk, and very few people can hold their own in a debate with Matt Dillahunty when they're sober.
I was not arguing for slavery dumbass but disproving Matt's unscholarly incompetent assertion that the bible argues for Slavery. He was so incompetent and dishonest that resorted to the fallacy of quote-mining and cherry-picking.
@@kendallstar9785 Kendall, I read Exodus 21, KJV. And, yes, the KJV does indeed give instructions for slavery. It's there. Word for word. And before you say "Old Testament", remember that the 10 Commandments are also in the Old Testament. If we blow off slavery and the OT, we also blow off the Big Ten. But, as an atheist, I have other things that take precedence. But you do you, Kendall.
Almost as many as there are Christians. I learned that by talking to my fellow Christians in my old church and discovering that we disagreed in many different ways. It still took several years to realize that none of us knew shit.
@@zemorph42 i quit the jehovah's witnesses in 1997, we were taught about certain Christian beliefs, and we'd make fun of born agains, but id never considered just how many different Christian beliefs there were, and really how similar the people were to JWs, they just weren't cultists.
It’s such a shame how some 2000 year old book that has the same equivalent to American chattel slavery, that almost everyone except white supremacists agrees was abhorrent, and yet turns these Bible believers into ardent apologists for slavery in their lame book.
@@bridgefin I do not claim a god does not exist,that requires proof.i have not seen or heard any good evidence that a god or gods exists that proposition requires evidence and proof.Disappointed with rather than mad at those who do not critically think.
@@nicholasgloc8555 On the contrary, your entry post described God in a pretty derogatory way. Why would you describe someone who doesn't exist? Maybe I'm wrong but that sounds like you are angry at him.
@WTF Again? You: It is a nonsensical propositiion to suggest I'm angered at something I don't believe exists. Me: That's funny because you talked about him in your post above: "God has one solution to every problem. Kill someone or everyone and start again. " So, unless you profess to be delusional, it seems that you accept his existence. But you seem to think he is terrible. So why the anger? Who are you really angry at?
@WTF Again? You going after the wicked witch of the west next? How about superman? You're on a website attracting atheists and you're on a post which clearly supports that cause. Everyone agrees with you until I showed up. Why would you mock a concept? Do you mock prejudice or racism? I still wonder who you are really mad at.
Some people wonder why some atheists are so passionately against religion. It’s because of things like this. Because it forces otherwise fine people to defend completely horrible ideas like they are defending their life. Because when it comes to the religion, the followers lose all sense of right and wrong and individuality because the religion must be right and unquestioned in everything it says and anyone who opposes even the worst ideas of the religion are just misguided and misunderstanding what it REALLY says.
@David Tucker If the God you think doesn't need defending really doesn't need defending then why are YOU so worked up about someone insisting that he does ? Probably because you like every other theist that comes out of the churches are only interested at indoctrinating and controlling others through lies and misinformation and get worked up when you see that people aren't buying your bullshit anymore like they used to and like you think that they are supposed to.
@David Tucker Fuck off . If you wanna threat someone threat your guillible flock of theists, cuz' it dorsn't work on non-believers. I bet that is whats pissing you off. Your old "threat an' extort 101" not working anymore eh ? But in case you missed it here it is once more: if your god is omnipotent and doesn't need defending, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO WORKED UP WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HIM ?
I was a a Christian, and reached a point where I just could not serve a god who made me struggle with mental health issues, gender identity, and my being transgender. I made up my mind that god wasn’t worth giving up myself. Since then I have realized there is not any good evidence for a god, so all I have done is rejected a lie. If Christianity were to be proven true, I’m still not going to worship or serve that god.
@•- Every christian I've spoken to has their own "version" and interpretation of both the bible and what christianity *really* is. Not to mention the numerous christian denominations - and the separate sects within them. So, like I said: Which version of it?
@@mischarowe This should help you: Mark 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
@@mischarowe It should help you understand what Christianity is all about. It is actually a relationship with Jesus Christ, not adherence to a load of rules. Though looking at how has been portrayed down through the ages and even in todays 'Christian' circles one wouldn't think so. There are going to be a lot of people who think they are Christian because they were born into a Christian home but have never made a commitment to Christ and become ‘born again’ (what do you understand by that term?). It is actually a kinda journey. When you become a Christian you don’t suddenly know everything about it - its Huge! So it is often misrepresented.
*Exhibit A: Exodus 20:17:*_“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.”_ *Exhibit B: Exodus 20:20-21:* _“If a man strikes his male servant or his female servant with a staff so that he or she dies as a result of the blow, he will surely be punished. However, if the injured servant survives one or two days, the owner will not be punished, for he has suffered the loss."_ *Exhibit C: Exodus 20:26-27:* _“If a man strikes the eye of his male servant or his female servant so that he destroys it, he will let the servant go free as compensation for the eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his male servant or his female servant, he will let the servant go free as compensation for the tooth._ *Exhibit D: Exodus 21:7-8 (=about hebrew slaves)* “If a man sells his daughter as a female servant, she will not go out as the male servants do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he must let her be redeemed._ *Exhibit E: Matthew 5:17:* _“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."_ In summary: servants are property (just like wife, ox and donkey). Beating them up is okay as long as they don't die immediately or loose their eyes and teeth. Fathers can even sell their own daughters, while the buyer is protected by a return policy, in case she turns out to be unpleasant. Jesus has not come to abolish the law of the Old Testaments. These rules apply to this day. *Dear Christians, throw the first stone if you think there's any moral value in all this.* *Anybody bold or stupid enough to defend the bible here?* While the above clearly talks about real slavery, just like in American history, a concept like a "bondsman" does actually _also_ exist in the bible (Leviticus 25:39-40). It's what happens when a fellow Israelite becomes indebted to you: he becomes kind of a contractor, not property, working his debts off, while it's explicitely forbidden to profit from him or sell him. The funnier part is the explanation, why his chosen people can't be sold in general: basically because they are already property of God - and ownly the master himself has the right to mistreat them ;-) *Leviticus 25:42:* _"Since the Israelites are my servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt, they must not be sold in a slave sale. You must not rule over them harshly, but you must fear your God."_ Good luck with that! Oh.. and it's worse for non-Israelites ;-)
when I was young and going to church, I was never taught about slavery in the Bible, if I had been I would have come to the conclusion even sooner than I did that it was wrong. I just needed the thought of Holy Communion, when they were asking me to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus that was a huge flag to me that there was something terribly wrong in these teachings
Mark Twain on the God of the Bible : "The swindle of life and the treachery of a God that can create disease and misery and crime - create things that men would be condemned for creating - that men would be ashamed to create. I have met his superior a hundred times - in fact I amount to that myself. God would recognize in himself the inventor of sin and would place the whole responsibility where it would of right belong: upon himself, the only sinner."
Mark Twain on the Bible : "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it, some clever fables, some blood-drenched history, some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies." The most "worthless book" ever.
@Steve lol, you are truly an idiot... You called someone's books worthless while admitting you've never read them in the same fucking sentence! Please fuck off m8, you got nothing to bring here
@David Tucker - And you are a multiple Moron. By the way, Mark Twain was a God believing Deist, who did not buy into the cosmic zombie God of the Bible. Which is why your God requires 'faith' which is nothing more than the (un)holy trinity of gullibility, credulity & stupidity. There is no such thing as God or sin ... otherwise PROVE IT. "God offers no rewards for intellect. He has never yet showed any interest in it." ... Mark Twain. Worship intelligence? Ha Ha!
@David Tucker - I know that you cant prove jack-shit, not even Jesus. Not interested in your obvious delusions & blind faith meant for mentally under-evolved morons. Ha Ha!
@David Tucker - Christians believe that a cosmic zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove evil from your soul that is present in all of humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat a fruit from a magic tree. LOL!
I remember our bible college taught us this back when I was a christian. They looked up chapter 21 in exodus and 25 in leviticus and they explained that they were indentured servants, not slaves, pointing to the 7 year verse in exodus. That they were treated a lot better than slaves in America, and that they were actually regarded as having high status in the household, able to reason with and even "break the contract" with their master. What a load of crap.
All good for 5 minutes, then the pick and choose starts. He doesn't want the slavery part to be "valid" but still wants what he likes to be so. Pathetic.
The bible is an outdated guidance/story book on how one should live their life. Regarding Slavery argument, Old testament and new one. Clearly demonstrates the contradictions in the bible (or rather "god"). BASIC well-being means slavery shouldn't be part of it. And if said being is perfect and loving , MAKING RULES for slavery, instead of abolishing it, is wrong! (God is interfering with our freewill anyway, right? by setting rules, why not just say slavery is wrong and stop it) Therefore, said being is not perfect or loving . Sounds more like an organised crime boss. So inconclusion, let's just say god is real for 1 second, if god was real and not made up, god should be in prison, technically. Forcing people to worship and follow unethical rules or we'll burn forever in constant pain is threatening behaviour as well as grievous body harm.
In the Epistles Paul says - Be a good slave..... In Matthew Jesus says be a good slave..... therefore God in the New Testament, Jesus thinks Slavery is ok. He said he did not come to change one jot or tittle from the law but to fulfill it. Slavery is part of the LAW. If Christianity is true, then Slavery is moral. I therefore reject the Bible and the biblical gods. If man can "do better than the Bible" the infallible word of GOD, then it is not the infallible and or inspired words of a god, but the fallible thoughts of men." You know Kendall that the Bible was used to justify slavery in the USA and during the civil war was used to justify Southern economic structures based on owning people. If Islam is true would you become a Muslim?
@Paul Goodier And is it ever a problem that there are different versions of the bible? KJB, NIV and so forth? That, even if they have almost the same wording, may put some verses in a slightly different place? I fear that has confused some Christians when I asked them similar topics (unless, that is, they were being deliberately evasive...?)
@@chrissonofpear1384 They are all translations so that is always a problem. Most christians have a cognitive dissonance switch, when the Bible is immoral they do mental gymnastics to justify or ignore it. Doesn't matter the translation, bible is an immoral book.
You don't even have to refer to exodus 21 to prove that God condones slavery. All throughout the Bible God is worship hungry. He demands humans serve him without question or be punished, that in of it self is God condoning slavery.
@@garrysmodsketches absolutely not. I'm morally superior to God any day. And I mean that. But regardless that's the biggest IF in the history of mankind.
@@kriss3d no, you don't understand. If Christian god is real (which I don't think he is), that means if you're an atheist you will go to hell. Do you want to burn for eternity? No, you don't. So if God is real, you are better off becoming a Christian. Such an obvious answer to a hypothetical.
@@garrysmodsketches some god that thing is, isn't god synonymous to love, kindness, etc. and "isn't worship me the monster" a demand and an act of force?
"The swindle of life and the treachery of a God that can create disease and misery and crime - create things that men would be condemned for creating - that men would be ashamed to create. I have met his superior a hundred times - in fact I amount to that myself." ..... Mark Twain.
I just took a few seconds to look up the definition of the word, "bondsman" and it literally said, "serf; slave". Kendall could've saved himself just a little bit of embarrassment if he had just done the same.
When your defense is reduced to “not slave , bondsman”. I genuinely don’t understand how someone can think like this and not realize what a load of absolute shit it is when someone points it out.
Matt: Have you read Exodus 21?
Kendall: Is that New Testament?
Me: Laughs out loud.
oh god lmao havent reached the part in the video yet. Makes me sad. I haven't been a Christian since I was 14 but even I still remember which part of the bible Exodus is in lol
There are Christians who think the Bible is just the new testament plus Psalms and Proverbs because of the free little edited Bibles that are handed out by some Churches. Sad.
as a Christian, i find that funny
Also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested
@@spider-man9118 OK, evidence for a global flood that covered all the land?
@@MayonesePride my source is that i made it the fuck up
‘You can’t demand and deserve worship at the same time.’
Such a simple, yet true concept.
And they just don't get it.
That is a pretty genius line o.o
Laird Grievous It’s a paraphrase from what they said.
@Mike Hobson What are you, a young-earth creationist?
@Mike Hobson Nor can you!
If Christianity is proven to be true, I would believe that the Christian god is real, but I would not be Christian, as I am not willing to be associated with the God that condoned slavery, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, infanticide, misogyny and the orchestrated genocide of every living thing on the planet. I would not compromise my morals by worshipping what is essentially a celestial Stalin
@FACE GALLON in my view, I'd rather be tortured knowing I was a free, rational person than live being some kind of submissive slave. God may be all powerful (if he exists) but might never makes right
Exactly. I could never aprove of his morals. Ohhh the irony
@FACE GALLON Do you think that a god who would punish people for being honest about not believing him would be KIND enough to not arbitrarily just torture anyone he feels like? There's no way to know who he would torture, and no way to know why he would do it. Therefore it'd be best to live your normal life.
@@DoubleDe it's as Scott put it, morality in the theological sense is quite literally "God said so". So if this God is a fan of suffering, then suffering of others is moral. And if we applied that type of thinking, we'd be no better than dictatorships like the USSR or theocracies like Saudi Arabia
@@PhrontDoor You say "there is no way to tell who he would torture and no way to know why he would do it", but there is a book that tells us that if Christianity were true, that would mean that Hell exists. If you do not *obey* God, you go to Hell; if you do not repent of your "sins", you go to Hell; if you do not believe in God, you go to Hell.
Hell is a place of eternal torture. I would say we know exactly WHO and WHY he would torture.
"If Christianity Is Proven True, Will You Be A Christian?" is like asking : "Will you willingly become a citizen of North Korea & obey, follow & revere the Kim Jong family?" Scott's reply was perfect.
Excellent analogy there, Duke!
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
Christian: bible is good
Matt: slavery
Christian: short circuit
The Bible is good in one sense of the word "good", we have a written history of all the horrible atrocities (slavery) humans have committed against each other and hopefully we won't make those same mistakes again because the horrible atrocities will not be forgotten because they are recorded in the Bible.
The Bible is a book of metaphorical fairytales, but the horrible things that humans did to each other seem to be true, if we didn't have a written history of all these horrible things we might repeat the same horrible things all over again.
@@SongWhisperer That is an obvious misunderstanding since the bible actually advocates for those horrible atrocities. Therefore your assertion that it is somewhat to be interpreted as a lesson to not repeat those mistakes is obviously wrong, it's the opposite actually.
@@TheFindol I'm not saying the Bible is teaching that lesson, I'm saying that the people who understand that the things in the Bible are wrong, than it's a good tool to be used against the idea of slavery. (IMO) the Bible is a better tool for learning about what is wrong rather than teaching what is right, if that makes sense?
The bible - aka the ‘God’s guide to genocide ‘ manual
@@SongWhisperer Hmm, I get what you mean. I guess I kinda misinterpreted your intentions. It kinda makes sense but not really because the bible tries to convince you that those are good things. So I don't know if you could consider it a good tool in that regard.
“I’m a Christian! Of course I’d be your slave!”
The dangers of religion right there.
One of the dangers
Christian me would have had a different answer, because I didn't understand how the Bible condoned slavery and believed that God was the only one worthy to be my master. I was ignorant and naive, despite having studied the Bible for years.
@@zemorph42 For me, when I was christian, it was not understanding that magic isn't an explanation for anything. My beliefs boiled down to god is magic, so it can do anything. Once I took a logic class, and learned what unfalsifiable meant, it was like an epiphany.
People rely way too much on personal experience, when they don't have the tools to diagnose their experience. I was like that too. I had a pretty bad motorcycle accident when I was 17 and still a gullible moron. While I was in midair, looking at the ground and everything was in slow motion, I heard a voice in my head that said "close your eyes" . I did, and then woke up still rolling on the ground. I used to say that voice was my personal proof of god. I now understand that I had no good reason to assume that, thanks to logic and philosophy. The more you know and understand, the less you are capable of believing in sky fairy nonsense.
And...alway will be.
Because of this kind of idiots, there always will be some people out there, who gets richer and richer.
@Mike Hobson Awww, aren't you just so adorable! Are you a toddler? You sound like a widdwe toddwer with hurt widdwe feewings :( I know if I held a dumbass belief getting roundly ridiculed by people that say things I don't understand, I'd probably be a butthurt little toddler like you too. But I actually understand all the words, so I can't really relate to mouth breathers like you. Now I'll point out every way you are stupid and wrong, I know you won't be able to grasp it, but someone else might read this exchange, this is for them:
"""" the bible doesnt believe in majic""""" The buybull DEPENDS on magic. Your sky daddy dictator is a literal magician, speaking shit into existence, you dumbass clown. The other main character in that book of nonsense fables, Jesus, pretended to cast magic demons out of people. Do you even read your own book, you complete fool?
""""a christ denying website""""" A couple things, you dumbass simpleton, first, this is a video, on a website, are you really saying all of youtube is 'a christ denying website'? Maybe don't type when you're so mad your dim brain won't even do the bare minimum, yikes dude. Second, Nobody is denying anything, you and your ilk are failing to prove your claims. You can't deny something that isn't real, so go ahead and demonstrate your shy daddy dictator exists, then we can talk.
""""""-unless you believe the you came from a mudpuddle"""""" I don't claim to know where life comes from, unlike your dumbass that thinks you know magic did it, but you refuse to call magic, magic. How pathetic are you? (very)
""""""pro-fairy in a parade nonsense.""""""" Are you mentally retarded? Are you having a stroke right now? What the fuck are you even talking about? This isn't even close to any other bullshit strawman I've ever heard from other complete imbiciles like you. Fucking embarassing
"""""you bent a knee to the godless
""""" Again, you literally could not be more wrong. I bend my knee to nothing, most certainly not the story book character that demand you kneel before it. Again, something YOU do, that I do not do in any way, but you accuse me of doing what YOU do. Why are you such a dumb, piece of lying shit? Why?
Ok, you said some incredibly dumb shit to someone else, so I'll cover that too, I have never seen someone in the comments as brain dead and completely stupid as you are.
""""""and your still stupid, """"" It's you're, you complete moron, if you want to call someone stupid, you can't prove you are the stupid one, it immediately shits right on you.
"""""""to reallllllllllllllly hear the truth"""" Another problem with you being so stupid, you can't even tell that people aren't here to suckle from the teat for what someone tells them is true, like your dumbass does from your book and your preacher. You are so fucking dumb, this is waaay to easy. Get super mad and respond with more incredibly dumb shit, please.
This whole call is fucking hilarious. One of the best slavery calls I've heard from Matt. His frustration matched with Kendall's tap dancing and arrogance is amazing.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
I love how Christians say they live by the Bible but don't know what it says and freak out when a non Christian not only reads the Bible but understands it better than the believer.
Yep it really sends them into a frenzy state and then they start spouting off irrational self opinions, calling it proof...i literally dont have the patience for it anymore,,it happens every dam time u show them a fact....and they can not comprehend any type logic..... its so aggravating
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
" (Christians)....freak out when a non-Christian not only reads the Bible but understands it better.....etc"
That's worse than a Star Trek hater quoting from one of Spock's lesser-known speeches proving that he contradicts himself. Blasphemy.😂
I completely understand Matt’s rage. I feel the same. It never gets better. Unbelievable the pure utter dishonesty this filthy religion breeds in ordinary people.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
Theist: God is Moral.
Matt: Slavery.
Theist: *Tap Dances HARD to not accept that Slavery is Immoral.*
@•- By understanding morality and authoritarianism.
Also, you have to prove there is an ultimate authority first, so get to it. Be the first to prove there actual is any god. Once you do that maybe we can talk about it.
You also could just watch the video you're responding to, and listen to comprehend.
@•- They have no ultimate authority, just a worldview that makes the existence of objective moral values and duties impossible. They will nevertheless continue to pass moral judgements and express moral outrage in order to be able to critique Christianity and the Bible because they either do not realise that they're living in a contradiction or they're the kind of people who want to have it both ways with morality, in the same way that someone wants to have their cake in their possession and eat it as well.
@•- Hitchens has a term named after him in the Christian community for a reason after all. It's called the Hitchens Two Step. It involves switching back and forth between moral subjectivism and objectivism depending on which stance is more convenient to your narrative at the time of speaking. The most common area where this switch instantaneously occurs is when people of Hitchens ilk will switch from morality being entirely subjective to being objective in order to be able to critique the Bible
@@patrickmcardle952 interesting....you're denying the bible is true. I wouldn't have expected that judging from your comments.
@@markburch6253 I should have said that you have no ultimate authority with respect to your beliefs, the principle belief being that there is nothing outside of ourselves which can be classed as being the source of objective moral values and duties
Can't believe people are making excuses for slavery in this day and age.
The _have_ to. The only way to have a Milti-Omni Christian God is to argue that the slavery in the Bible is somehow moral. To argue that the slavery was put in there against his wishes would mean he's either not Omnipowerful (otherwise he could have stopped it), not Omnipresent or Omniknowing (otherwise he would have known to stop it), or not Omnibenevolent (otherwise he would have wanted to stop it).
You should watch Whaddo You Memes response to CosmicSkeptics critique of slavery in the bible. What this 3 part series of videos show is that atheists prooftext the Bible like a lazy college student looking to quote-mine a text for an essay without being aware of any of the context surrounding these quoted passages that they pluck out and present singularly, such as commands not to mistreat foreigners, to love them as yourself, not to oppress them, grant these people with human rights that actually were superior to rights afforded within this culture at that time, instructions on what to do if a foreigner becomes wealthy, not to kidnap or force anyone into unpaid labour against their will and so on.
@@patrickmcardle952 You are such a fucking idiot. I met morons like you in Seminary. Screaming your opinions without a shred of fact.
Kit Cumbie Meaningless insults with no engagement to any arguments that I present have as much of an effect on me as the last placed team in a basketball team signing a player has on the NBA champions mate
@Barthelemy We know your views are based on that Book written by ignorant uncivilized bronze age goat herders called the Bible. No wonder you justify something as despicable as slavery!
I like how he goes "I win because they have to let the slaves go every 50 years" as if the act of owning people as slaves in the first place isnt the problem
Scott just gave the exact reason I started to doubt. This god is all loving, yet is cool with dishing out eternal punishment? That makes no sense.
Better yet, it's apparently 'all-forgiving' yet punishes people eternally KNOWING they would be sinners and non-believers before creating them. That is just fucked. Like I'll knowingly build a faulty device/motor/construct then blame it for being faulty.
@@CsykKrit Yes, and some even imply it's all because Satan gave his OPINION that humans might be disloyal, if given a 'choice', and then that he should have the right to deceive and entrap even more of them, after both he and God had become invisible to them...
There's quite a bit that doesn't make sense:
So first God created everything perfectly according to his plan, this includes both Adam and Eve nomming on that forbidden fruit as well as the gays in Soddom/Gomorrah really wanting some of that angel ass. Both of those (and of course, everything else as well) has been matching up with his plan perfectly.
Then, everything continued to go according to his plan, which resulted in everyone being drowned, the result of generational incest and then needing some saving for their sins.
Now, to absolve them of their acts he basically pro-programmed them to do, he has to cast himself into mortal flesh, go on a rockband world-tour with his groupies, crucify himself (remember, ultimately it weren't the Romans who crucified Jesus, as they only followed God's plan) to himself, endure a shitty 3-day-weekend and then reunify himself with himself in heaven.
.... Yeeeeeaaaaah makes total sense :D
cy-one
That sounds like, one hell of a bad acid trip!!
@@budd2nd "Christianity, not even once."
"Bad Acid Trip, still a better trip than the Bible"
? :D
Kendal is the epitome of Seth's comment, "Christianity made me talk like an idiot."
@@christiansoldier1118 strawman much?
@@christiansoldier1118Funny enough, Einstein never said he believed in any personal God, so your point is completely moot and nothing but a gaint strawman.
@@christiansoldier1118
Einstein wasn't a Christian, you m0r0n.
If you type "bondman" into a search engine, it returns: a serf; a slave. The semantics Kendall is trying to defend is vile.
True. Some Christians look at that and claim they weren't slaves in the modern sense because of that word. But they were slaves in the modern sense cause you could own them for life as property, pass them down to family, beat them, and of course they were unpaid and sold by people. That's a modern understanding of a slave even if the word Bondman didnt mean slave these days. The word for it doesn't matter.
They think that bondman has better connotation than slave like the person had a choice, but is dishonest way to dance around it.
Was the word "bondman" used from the earliest editions and translations of the Bible? If the usage came later, it might have been a deliberate attempt to whitewash the term.
Without knowing for sure, it felt like Kendall picked that word to try and change where the conversation was headed.
So what you're saying is that the caller tried to argue semantics and failed even at that.
Embarrassing.
The dancing and weaving Christians do to justify the Bible is incredible.
and just like professional dancers when they trip up, they keep going like nothing happened at all.
Im trying
My entire religious family LOVES the “oh that’s just the Old Testament. We have the New Testament,” response. They seriously just ignore the whole thing to make it convenient. It’s exhausting.
@@ummmno3871 Well that CLEARLY explains that you don't understand the difference between OT and NT. As in the purposes of each. The OT was law and history before Christ came to earth and also to explain his purpose to be among the people. Once Jesus came and dwelt with men and was crucified on the cross the OT was history and its laws such as animal sacrifices were no longer upheld as well as stoning children for disobedience and those caught in adultry like the in John 8:1-11 under the old testament she would have been stoned. For your convenience here's the story as told:
John 8:1-11
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
Why do believers constantly say that's old testament? That's why. Matt also adores saying Jesus was God, at the sametime he was and he wasn't, here's why, Jesus was of God and 100% a perfect representative of God. Before he was born of Mary he was with God along with the Holy Spirit. The term God in the flesh is accurate. Now at the sametime he was not God is because he was in human form (also in God's plan for the perfect sacrifice because he DID NOT EVER SIN). He is still the son of God, that also means he had the authority to do EXACTLY what he did with the woman caught in the very act of adultry. There are NUMEROUS other examples just like that one. In other words the EXACT LETTER of the LAW in the OT was nailed to the cross with Jesus Christ when HE BECAME the sacrifice for man's sin. Matt loves to bash God and the Bible for something in the OT that is no longer law ANYTHING that is still revelant is repeated in the New Testament. NOW the old testament is STRICTLY for learning the way the letter of the law used to be, hence the very name OLD TESTAMENT.
@@darinb.3273 Ephesians 6:5, NIV: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
this is the new testament and clearly sanctions Slavery. Next.
3,000 years from now, we’ll be arguing about the existence of Harry Potter.
@Steve you... do realize that this is a joke, right? christianity will die out too, as humanity solves and explains more things, debunking a lot of christianity. like how greek mythology died out, because we were able to explain more things. christianity will lose its grasp, as humanity peels off the bandage of religion. I know, i already used that metaphor once, but its a great metaphor.
@Steve Have you ever heard of cryopreservation? and has anyone ever been gifted with that gift?
@Steve I have never seen anyone with eternal life before, and where is the offer? can i see the contract? I wanna see the offer man, its like trading something without even knowing what the other is going to give you, or heck, they'll just scam ya. no, until i see a contract, or someone that has actually been given eternal life. let me tell ya, dont blindly believe in a god because a book says so. Ask questions, get your brain wrinkling.
@Steve maybe i DONT WANT eternal life. mainly because i dont want to see the sun explode, the human race die out, and eventually the universe dying out too.
@Steve so i gotta go, ill see ya later.
the only difference between biblical slavery and America slavery is a ocean voyage.
Have you seen the way they were packed into the ships? It was near enough to the way sardines are packed in cans. How a human being could even thing of such a think has always baffled me.
That and the fact that Americans eventually grew a conscious and ended the practice at great personal cost.
And race
@Vidhya Dhara Wow. You are truly stupid. I found 40 sites that agree with the the fact that Africa had slavery....in just 5 seconds. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
@deadend American slavery was based on race. Biblical slavery was based on conquest and usury. My comment stands. Hebrews could enslave other hebrews of the same race. White Americans could not enslave other white Americans legally.
Speaking of looking at a map, you understand that the bible didn't take place in Europe right? Why did you interject Europe into the conversation? The original comment was about biblical vs. American.
Kendall is a perfect example of the modern theist: completely ignores or dishonestly fails to acknowledge the multiple contradictions/fallacies within the infallible book.
My christian family will say those bad parts are where the Bible was corrupted by men. 🙄 So then how do you know which parts are corrupted and which parts aren’t. “Faith”.
10 David I think Kendall is another student from Dr. Hovind!
@@trishayamada807 so she litterally just believes what she wants to believe and doesnt care about evidance
Lowercase Horse2 sure, but that actually goes for all people with magical beliefs. It’s sad that we still need a god to fill in the gaps our knowledge.
David Tucker Well bless your heart.
Matt: angrily grabs bible
Me: shit's getting real
“Stuff went from 0-100 real fricking quick”
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
If Christianity is true, then morality goes out the window.
@•- because gud according to the buybull condones slavery, rape, incest, genocide, war...... I mean have ever read past what your church tells you?
@•- yep your disgusting
Then are you okay with owning people as property and beating them as long as they don’t die within a day or two?
•- So is Jesus okay with slavery?
@•- So you are OK with slavery?
how are we still debating if slavery is a positive or negative thing
Idk
bingYUANs because apologists cannot accept what is written and have to play word gymnastics for their own peace of mind, even going so far as to say slavery then didn’t mean slavery like we know it, as if it changed over time.
Because some people still profess to believe in a religion that condoned slavery.
Its not that, its that apologists dance around the issue and try to deny that the bible condones slavery to begin with. They are emotionally attached to the dogma, so they deny that it condones immorality.
This caller absolutely refused to acknowledge that treating people as property was wrong in any way (if they were willing).
The verbal gymnastics are amazing. Anything to keep from admitting that they know they're wrong.
Their sense of self is intertwined with these beliefs; if the belief is in question, so are they.
@@desertguy395 I agree they base their entire lives based on this book. Some even go so far as to never have sex until marriage to appease god. It’s not going to be easy for someone who has restructured their entire life to this book to just drop it. They may fall into depression and hopelessness. I never believed as far as I can remember but after explaining this to some people I saw them go through this and honestly I felt bad so I keep my opinions to myself but sometimes it’s too hard not too.
@@Jambuc829 When someone is that deeply identified with a belief, especially a religious belief, it's best to just not engage with them. Look at what Matt goes through, and most of the time, after repeatedly debunking everything they throw at him with incredible brilliance, they still won't let go of it. I almost never confront them, unless they show up at my front door wanting to spout that stuff. Then all bets are off.
Kendall, do you realize you’re being an embarrassment to Christianity and also a great big old douche bag
That exactly it, "They know they are wrong", that's the power of indoctrination, it is the denial of irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable conclusive evidence, "they know they are wrong" but I have the right to refuse your clear, unambiguous evidence in favour of my indoctrinated belief. They have been trying to argue their believed god into existence for millennia, and are no closer today than day one.
"Is that New Testament though?"
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them."
EDIT: 10:20 Scott realizing and then trying to signal that he's muted is such a wonderfully funny visual story being told.
Wow. Did a Google search for famous tap dancers and this guy showed up after Astaire and Kelly but ahead of Glover. He’s also listed as helping with the dodge scenes in “The Matrix.”
That last one was too original
He went into "cognitive dissonance bullet time" when Agent Dillahunty showed up 🤣🤣🤣
He might actually be better than the late great Gregory Hines
Scott is a cool guy. Hope he gets more time on the show
He's got a yt channel.
And a soap opera.
I used to be disgusted by the Slavery Shuffle. Now I'm amused and disgusted in turns. Christians ought to know by now they can't square this circle, but they just. Keep. Trying. They start off with "Nuh-uh! It don't say what it says!" Then when it's read to them, they go into their dance. "That's the OT!" "It ain't the _bad_ kinda slavery!" "It don't say you _should_ own slaves!" "He couldn't stop 'em, so He made rules!" " _I_ think it's wrong, but it don't matter what _I_ think!" "Who can figure out God? Are _you_ perfect?" The steps are as choreographed as a Broadway show. A real stupid and ridiculous Broadway show.
It is absolutely terrifying that so many people don't seem to get why slavery is wrong😮
I don't understand the point of this question when christianity is already proven false.
How is Christianity PROVEN false?
michael zurilla
I think they meant, several of the tales in the bible have been proven false.
Bob Dole correct.
@@michaelzurilla7639 Well there are no first century witnesses to a Jesus claimed in the Bible and no Christian can present any evidence that a Jesus really existed. There may have been a man, but not a son of a God, that was based on the character of Jesus but there is no definitive proof. The burden is always with the Christian Religion in whatever form to prove it and none of all the denominations have, not one.
@@michaelzurilla7639 Well, quite literally every falsifiable claim in the bible is proven false. Such as Adam and Eve being proven wrong with Evolution, Noah's Ark never happening (or the flood for that matter), etc.
And the bible is the only place where the christian god exists, so if it's proven wrong, then so is their god.
Wow. The Atheist Experience's budget has really taken off - I had no idea they could afford to get Chris Pratt to co-host.
😂😂 that was a welcomed reprieve from all the heavy- content comments, thank you
Chris Pratt is very religious
He is the son of an omnipotent being ( as Perter Quill) so i suppose he has the bona fide
Doesn't look at all like dude
He is a beautiful man huh
I wonder how many "willing" slaves Matt has now. He's asked so many Christians, and a lot of them have agreed to be his servant.
Luckily Matt is too moral to go through with that
Matt would have a full plantation of God fearing servants by now.
I want one
God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists. To degrade that comes with consequences.
@@MrGodofcar Specifically Love. Which is the core Emotion. All other emotions are a variation of it. God is this caring and concern in all men.
Matt crushes them every single time with this.
This is incredible. If you think about it, this is likely the most accurate reproduction of what it was like to argue about slavery before the American civil war.
Well, they did use Bible verses to justify their horrendous behavior. Just absolute evil 😈.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
Scott and Matt give well thought out, clear and concise answers to the callers question, and his response at 6:50: “come on now”. Lmao
The caller isn't listening. Almost no caller listens.
I’m gonna need all y’all to make Scott Clifton a regular guest.
Thank you for this channel and bringing common sense and intelligence to the world.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
I've heard this argument so many times and this was one of the very best. Great job Scott and Matt! Such a great team. Love to see the two of you interact and react from each other. Scott was killing me as he would laugh and skwirm around at Matt dishing it out. This clip is one I'll come back too again and again, brought a smile to my face. Scott was such a well measured and thoughtful guest host. I'd love to see Matt and Scott do their own side show every week!
I was not arguing for slavery dumbass but disproving Matt's unscholarly incompetent assertion that the bible argues for Slavery. He was so incompetent and dishonest that resorted to the fallacy of quote-mining and cherry-picking.
@@kendallstar9785 You wish he was quote mining.
I'm gonna turn this into a drinking game. Everytime someone asks "is that the *NEW* testament???" Drink!
hic
It's not that that the caller doesn't understand the issue of immortality of slavery, he's just blatantly lying , trying to defend the immoral
You seem to be unaware of the fact that the logical conclusion on morality on atheism is that it's a relativistic trick of evolution designed to help get your selfish genes into the next generation. Which makes classifying actions as moral or immoral just as arbitrary depending on who you ask as asking someone what their favourite flavour is of a particular product. Atheists like yourself never the less try to have it both ways on morality here. Embrace moral relativism as being a logically valid description of what morality is, only to then instantaneously switch to moral objectivism in order to be able to criticise the Bible
More precisely, he's being intellectually dishonest in order to hold on to his theology that he desperately wants to keep believing. I did this very thing myself for 15 years.
@@patrickmcardle952 Not so sir, there is no "on atheism". What morality is about, and how to define it, is a separate question from whether there is an invisible dictator watching everyone. Even on your theology you still don't get to an "objective morality" since just bc a powerful being says something is moral that doesn't make it moral. Might-makes-right isn't equivalent to objective. Otherwise Kim Jong Un would be right by fiat due to his absolute power in North Korea. Now, the claim that Yahweh is "good" is just that, a claim, which has not been demonstrated. It's just "for-the-bible-tells-me-so..."
So when those of us who reject your claims to the supernatural talk about morality we are typically talking about the general subject of well-being. We don't care what your alleged invisible non-demonstrable Yahweh character says. In other words, you don't have an objective standard for morality either, even when you claim to. The definition of what morality is about pertains to language, and people use words to mean different things. So when you say you think morality is about what a god says or what a gods 'nature' is, I say "nope, that's not what morality is about."
Aaron Lietz Your response does absolutely nothing to solve the problem that you are left with when consistently examining what morality actually is from the standpoint of an atheist. It essentially points the finger to say “Yeah, this is a problem we atheists can’t solve logically, but neither can you theists!” as though this is supposed to be some kind of victory claim, which I’ll show why I think is false later on in this reply.
Morality from a consistent atheistic standpoint (as in from the perspective of an atheist that is both courageous and intellectually honest enough to follow the arguments on what morality actually is down to the ground) is a *trick* / *illusion* designed to delude you into thinking that certain acts and behaviours etc. are either moral or immoral that is ingrained within your psyche through the process of evolution by natural selection. The fact of the matter here is that, in accordance with identifying as an atheist, what you may *think* is an innate, intuitive sense of right and wrong is *really* just a mechanism to aid you in your survival and to pass on your DNA to the next generation. This reduces morality to being every bit as arbitrary as the premise that we evolved to have 5 fingers on our hands instead of 3.
This also has extremely troubling and harmful ramifications from the standpoint of the atheist, as this view of what morality actually is logically leads you into the conclusion that saying that rape, murder and torturing children for pleasure are all acts that are immoral rather than moral is every bit as reflective of reality as the premise that chocolate ice cream is superior to vanilla ice cream. That is to say, it isn’t a statement that is reflective of reality in any meaningful sense, given that it is nothing more than an expression of personal taste that can’t have any basis in reality outside of your own imagination.
Believing in the existence of that which is defined as the greatest conceivable being, which is able to actually account for the existence of good and evil for a start (which atheism cannot. See Dawkins in his writings claim that the universe has all the properties we expect if there is no good or evil, just pitiless indifference as a perfect example) that would therefore logically lead to certain acts being necessarily good and necessarily evil, regardless of what anyone may feel about certain acts themselves, which by definition is what it means for morality to be objective. You can object all you want to the manner with which morality is defined on account of a desire to do and say that which is frowned upon from a Christian perspective (making yourself the God of your own life, succumbing to lust through regular porn consumption, being dictated by greed, envy and wrath to benefit yourself and no one else, narcissistically playing God through creating your own morality that falls apart as being any kind of meaningful moral foundation through being entirely subjective/mind dependent and so on).
This doesn’t make that which is good and that which is evil on theism any less accurate or reflective of reality. A reality that atheism arguably forces you to deny through having to look at what seem to be basic features of reality such as a the existence of good and evil as being useful fictions that we are deluding into believing in but which exist in the same way that any fictional concept exists - inside of our own imagination and nowhere else. I’m pretty sure you know too much about reality to deny that good and evil actually exist with a straight face here, which in my view serves to bolster my case against your position.
@@patrickmcardle952 *"Your response does absolutely nothing to solve the problem that you are left with when consistently examining what morality actually is from the standpoint of an atheist."*
There is no problem, we base morality on empathy, and secular values such as life, freedom, happiness, etc. You have a problem, you claim your God to be moral but he condones slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, child murder, etc.
"And what if I"m wrong" is one of my favourite videos. It really started to change and shape my thinking. Thank you for making it!
i know it's 2 years but where can i find this vid?
It's 2020 and AE is *still* fielding calls from people trying to defend slavery. SMH.
It's the most fun to watch these "Moral" Theists try and defend Slavery.
It's 2020....I'm surprised slavery isn't being reinstated globally.
It may seem like they are defending slavery buy they are actually “denying” slavery (i.e. “bondsman”, “servant” etc.). They are defending their chidhood indoctrination and the god in their head.
Their cognitive dissonance must be quite painful! 😜
That twinkle in Matts's eye when he sees the nonsense about to unfold from the caller is priceless. This caller is the definition of a mindless-sickness.
Why do God send stupid defenders?
It’s not even that they’re stupid necessarily, it’s the fact that He apparently was okay with his message being fractured into 6 major ecclesiastico-cultural blocs, divided into 300 major ecclesiastical traditions, composed of over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries, those denominations themselves being composed of over 3,400,000 worship centers, churches or congregations.
Why would a supposedly divine being allow that IF his message was so important? Christians literally decided what was the “word of God” and what was to be tossed in the bin.
Hell, they can’t even decide on a biblical canon. Christian bibles range from the 73 books of the Catholic Church canon, the 66 books of the canon of some denominations or the 80 books of the canon of other denominations of the Protestant Church, to the 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon.
But apparently every Christian in these threads is worshipping the “right” God and reading the ‘right’ Bible. 🙄
@Dirk Knight unfortunately not true.
Warstar 53k, damn. I need to update my info at some point. Thanks for the new info. Your church/currency/denomination comment was great!
Are there any other types?
He doesn't send them, he doesn't exist
lol I LOVE Matt's admission: "I can't, I can't do this"...I feel you Matt, I feel ya
Matt and Scott deserve a gold medal for patience.
Ayo I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on
Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away.
repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down."
you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically.
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff.
more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on)
The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on.
Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC.
Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC
Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC.
How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night.
There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as:
Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion;
Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command
Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers
Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son)
Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified.
Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers
(See cold-case Christianity for more details)
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general
The camera looooves Scott. He's got a real Chris Pratt quality. EDIT I didn't know he is a TV star!
Best comment you could make on the topic of religion? Wow..
I thought he was Ben Afleck at first.
I think the same thing whenever he's on. Thankfully his beliefs are more rational than Pratt's!!
@@francoisona Thank you for keeping me humble.
exept Chris Pratt is a evangelical fool
40 seconds in, "If Christianity were true..."
Well, if an _omnipotent, omnipresent_ megalomaniacal tyrant DID exist, I suppose I would have *no choice* but to follow his arbitrary rules... or *rebel,* and suffer the consequences. That's what tyranny IS.
Including apologizing to him for stuff that he dislikes about me ("sins"), regardless of whether I consider that stuff to be actually good or bad (harmful to other people).
Heck, even if I tried my best to obey, I might hit a "catch 22" and become damned regardless of what I do.
Funny enough, we seem to be able to disagree with or outright ignore this supposed tyrant with a zero consequences from Himself. The only ones who seem to be enforcing his supposed are other mortals like ourselves
Short answer they follow a tyrant because he's more powerful than them, and they see power as perfection.
But they get mad when I say Hitler is God as well.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Ironically, the Greek gods were revered because of their power, not because they held of any kind of morality. 🤔
@FACE GALLON I ate a shellfish. I have consumed one of God's TRUE chosen people. I am going to hell for this. 🤣
@@leyrua I guess that's a more honest way to worship authority "if I don't he/she's gonna squash me like a bug, so, fuck it, I don't like them but I am gonna play good".
Really good post, thank you
I cannot believe that this dude thought “they get to go free after 50 years” was his mic drop
If christianity was proven to tell the truth and there was a christian god it would be every human's task and duty to punish and ultimately destroy this corrupted creature for the crimes it committed and all the suffering it still causes to this day.
You mean like beating him with fists, pulling his beard out by the roots, pushing thorns into his scalp, scourging him with a Roman scourge that killed many by itself, and nail him to wooden beams?
When logic gets replaced with worship, you're in trouble.
touche... if islam were proven true, will you be a muslim?
if hinduism were proven true, will you be a hindu?
if shintoism were proven true, will you worship the japanese gods?
if the chinese gods were proven true, will you worship them?
the question "if christianity were proven true, will you be a christian?" is a question that originated from a very shallow mind.
there are soooo many religions.
answer this question: what *METHOD* did you use to verify that your god is the correct one?
@iAnarchist satisfactory? i never even got a single answer...
@@hakureikura9052 "Mah FEELS!"
That's the usual answer.
"I'll answer your question honestly and truly if you answer one for me first" ... is awesome. I'll add that to my bandolier. Their true answer is, "no, I'll have to think of some thing so I don't have to drop my faith."
"Then your faith is impoverished, immoral, an excuse for tantrum and human power."
I guarantee that Kendall believes he convincingly debated and defeated both Scott and Matt in this discussion.
Yep, he'll tell his church friends out he "straightened out those atheists"
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is."
It also depends on the definition of "definition". It's like ring-a-ring-a-rosie with Xtians.
This proposition reminds me of the Star Trek episodes with "Q". Yes Q was all-powerful, but nothing he did was worthy of following; and even less of worship.
And yet he taught a lot better lessons than yahweh ever did
@@cygnustsp TNG Fan I see. I respect that. I am more of a DS9 guy myself, but TNG is also good.
That is because an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being cannot do something better than what already exists. If it could, it means what it has previously done was not so good, and therefore the being is not omnibenevolent and omniscient.
@@hegyak well, tng is far superior than ds9, and the tng Q episodes are an example of that: TNG asks philosophical questions about God. Ds9 never did that, for example.
Of course, philosophy might not be your cup of tea...then you might find ds9 superior.
TOS here. Watched Kirk rassle his first Gorn during it's premier run. You kids got some cool stuff, but WE lead the way.
Scott = best AE guest host ever IMO. His calmness and "step back" thinking are wonderfully complimentary to MD's "take no bullshit" passion.
The caller made Matt say "Oh my GOD", so he won. It proves that Matt knows deep deep deep inside that there IS a god. Just kidding :D
This one was dishonest on purpose. He said that beating people is immoral and when presented with verse that god allows beating your slaves he ignored it claiming that atheists are wrong.
That isn't as simple as being clouded by religion this is viciously dishonest.
If Christianity was proven true...so we need to go through all the contradicts and determine what was "proven true" about this god since the bible god is really just a black hole of contradictions.
And Fallacies. Don't EVER Forget the Fallacies. Please.
"I win!"
Seeing a discussion as a competition means you lost before it even started
They say Matt is mean.. if I were the host these theists would be mortified by my life changing insults! Lol
The gnostics also thought the Abrahamic God (Yaldabaoth) was "real/true" but not to be worshipped as he was a "lesser god" who created an imperfect world. I guess my point is that even if (hypothetically) the Christian God were proven to be "real/true" that wouldn't necessarily mean that it's a god who is worthy of praise, obedients, or even respect. We would have to investigate wheather he's the only god out there. For all we know this god could just be an abusive, spoiled little child that is abusing the hell out of it's creations when his parents were away on a trip or something.
2:58 Kendall goes ‘huuuuuUUuUubHhH’ or something weird I guess his brain started short circuiting.
It sounded to me like he was clearing his throat.
If I was Jesus I would have went to the cross precisely because of my condemnation of every immoral act carried out by my dad or anyone else...I would have also abolished cruelty to women, children, and animals. I would have stricken down their belief in magic and told them to learn, to read, study etc. That would a hell of a lot more in earning the cross than what supposedly got him there.
If you were Jesus you would've done as Jesus did.
Jesus: "I did not come to change my father's word but to fulfil it"
When you think you won an argument with: they're not slaves for life, only for 50 years. Oh that's so much better now God sounds like a fantastic guy.
Average lifespan back then was less than that.
@@BaalsMistress oh sorry being a slave for 39 years sounds soooo much better thanks. Also not really true. Infant mortality was extremely high but most who made it passed childhood lived pretty much as long as modern people
Depends on what you mean by Christian. Would I accept that the Christian God exists? Sure. That would mean I am a Christian in some sects. Would I worship it? Hahahaha, hell no. I don't worship evil.
@•-
How do you know anything to be evil _with_ God?
@•-
"That was a failure on your part to answer the question"
*I answered the question with a rhetorical device. Not my fault you failed to grasp it.*
"but Christians are the only ones who can know what good and evil are because God is the judge of everyone."
*How do you know?*
"Since God is the ultimate authority by which you can know anything to be moral, atheists can only have opinions on what evil is in their worldview."
*So, you "know" what evil is with God... because he tells you what evil is? So you don't actually know, you just obey.*
"When you call something evil, you’re appealing to a moral standard outside of God."
*I am appealing to a **_real_** moral standard.*
"The problem is is that, without God, you don’t have any moral standard by which you can judge anything to be good or evil but only opinions and preferences."
*I have my own moral standard. Which is the only one that matters to me. All you are doing is saying that "God's moral standard" is what matters to you... in other words, God's opinion is what matters to you.*
*And considering the bible, how do you even know what evil is at that point? God is the most evil being in the entire book, by his own standards!*
God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists. To degrade that comes with consequences.
@@damianedwards2327
Define love.
@@Diviance Love is the invisible force that is source and motivation of man. And must be followed. God is the same definition.
Excellent! The first 3-4 minutes of this contains among the best commentary I've seen on the subject. I've sometimes been asked the same question and have always given the same answer: "God, you've got a lot of explaining to do." The asker invariably understands, especially when I say, "I don't want to hear excuses".
Lately I've been using the simple concept that reality cannot contradict itself: the Bible says "God is love" but it, and billions of years of 'creation', say "God is a monster". Both concepts cannot be true. Thus the Bible's God contradicts reality and cannot exist. No apologist has been able to give a coherent response (one guy argued that animals don't feel pain, therefore God is not cruel.)
Your caller's evasions are typical of the usual apologist, who is unable and/or unwilling to be honest with himself or others. After all, conceding your point would shatter his world.
any being that demands worship demands power, something an all powerful being does not need.
Excellent point......I agree that an all powerful being would desire worship from us exactly the same as we desire being worshipped by bacteria.
I've brought this up before and most theists claim that God says he's a jealous God. He does say that in the 10 commandments.
The Devil: And I'm supposed to be the bad guy!!!!
Kendall is a monster.
And so is his god.
God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists. To degrade that comes with consequences.
@@damianedwards2327 That may be your definition of god, have fun with that. Let the mature people talk about the matters of their definition of god and which they use to argue against Atheists.
@@QuintarFarenor It's not my definition of God. it's everyone's definition of God, as believers. You're athiest, so you can't TELL anyone who God is. You hear what we follow and decide if Love is useless and pointless to you.
As you said.... Good luck with that.
@@damianedwards2327 Love is not useless but it's not my definition of god. Love is the chemical reaction my brain produces when I perceive people I get positive reinforcement from. Love is not a concept any god can even have and certainly not the christian one as much as he tries to claim in his book.
Go play in a sandbox here you can't speak for others.
@@QuintarFarenor Actually, Love is what makes you laugh when you watch Seth rogen movies. Bro you jus described the love in your heart like the carburator of an old volkswagen. Haha.
You know it's WAY more special than that.
And powerful
Yes. We have a physical brain and body. But There is a motivation BEHIND all movements of the body that put it in motion.
That motivation force....is LOVE
Love is the invisible force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. Love is Invisible..and you believe in it. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge.
God is the same exact definition.
That is why athiests say God is useless and pointless...but y'all talk about it CONSTANTLY
That's Awesome.
It’s good to be a free thinker
@Steve okay do you ever think of why God lets children get raped and killed .and the Bible itself talks about killing children & women so much killing and he said don't kill and that's all he tells his people to do and he killed his own .the Bible came from Rome to control us .it's astrology .
@Steve wow Steve that's why I'm glad I'm Free of religion there are many. Christiananity come along in America if you don't repent we'll kill you. you need to do some research to see for yourself set your self free what kind of God would send you to a place called hell to Burn forever .
By the way guys (atheist experience staff and hosts) Great guest, have him back !
A moral god would have said of slavery - "don't "
A god worried about the poor would not suggest you keep them as slaves , he would suggest you hire them, house them and assist them to escape poverty .
Kendall is the classic, poorly-informed caller who thinks he has a good response for every argument and absolutely REFUSES to hear what anyone says if it doesn't agree with his ideas.
He tries to dance away from answering Matt's questions but doesn't know enough to successfully change the topic.
Kendall also sounds about half-drunk, and very few people can hold their own in a debate with Matt Dillahunty when they're sober.
I was not arguing for slavery dumbass but disproving Matt's unscholarly incompetent assertion that the bible argues for Slavery. He was so incompetent and dishonest that resorted to the fallacy of quote-mining and cherry-picking.
@@kendallstar9785 Kendall, I read Exodus 21, KJV. And, yes, the KJV does indeed give instructions for slavery. It's there. Word for word.
And before you say "Old Testament", remember that the 10 Commandments are also in the Old Testament. If we blow off slavery and the OT, we also blow off the Big Ten.
But, as an atheist, I have other things that take precedence. But you do you, Kendall.
Which version of christianity? There are an awful lot of them
Almost as many as there are Christians. I learned that by talking to my fellow Christians in my old church and discovering that we disagreed in many different ways. It still took several years to realize that none of us knew shit.
@@zemorph42 i quit the jehovah's witnesses in 1997, we were taught about certain Christian beliefs, and we'd make fun of born agains, but id never considered just how many different Christian beliefs there were, and really how similar the people were to JWs, they just weren't cultists.
@•- great point
And exactly _zero_ versions of Christianity actually make sense ... so there's that too.
It’s such a shame how some 2000 year old book that has the same equivalent to American chattel slavery, that almost everyone except white supremacists agrees was abhorrent, and yet turns these Bible believers into ardent apologists for slavery in their lame book.
Steve So?
Steve k
I've watched this several times over the years. It's just that good. And bondsman...a rose by any other name is still a rose.
God is the type of character who can`t tie his shoelaces and blames his shoes.
Everybody's pissed off at a god who they claim doesn't exist. Who are you really mad at?
@@bridgefin I do not claim a god does not exist,that requires proof.i have not seen or heard any good evidence that a god or gods exists that proposition requires evidence and proof.Disappointed with rather than mad at those who do not critically think.
@@nicholasgloc8555
On the contrary, your entry post described God in a pretty derogatory way. Why would you describe someone who doesn't exist? Maybe I'm wrong but that sounds like you are angry at him.
@WTF Again?
You: It is a nonsensical propositiion to suggest I'm angered at something I don't believe exists.
Me: That's funny because you talked about him in your post above: "God has one solution to every problem. Kill someone or everyone and start again. " So, unless you profess to be delusional, it seems that you accept his existence. But you seem to think he is terrible. So why the anger? Who are you really angry at?
@WTF Again?
You going after the wicked witch of the west next? How about superman? You're on a website attracting atheists and you're on a post which clearly supports that cause. Everyone agrees with you until I showed up. Why would you mock a concept? Do you mock prejudice or racism? I still wonder who you are really mad at.
Some people wonder why some atheists are so passionately against religion. It’s because of things like this. Because it forces otherwise fine people to defend completely horrible ideas like they are defending their life. Because when it comes to the religion, the followers lose all sense of right and wrong and individuality because the religion must be right and unquestioned in everything it says and anyone who opposes even the worst ideas of the religion are just misguided and misunderstanding what it REALLY says.
Protect Our Children from Cults.
The idea of a heaven for believers and a hell for non believers is a deal breaker for me. I will not believe or support such a tyrannical god.
@David Tucker
If the God you think doesn't need defending really doesn't need defending then why are YOU so worked up about someone insisting that he does ? Probably because you like every other theist that comes out of the churches are only interested at indoctrinating and controlling others through lies and misinformation and get worked up when you see that people aren't buying your bullshit anymore like they used to and like you think that they are supposed to.
@David Tucker I do? where did you come up with that idea?
@David Tucker
Fuck off . If you wanna threat someone threat your guillible flock of theists, cuz' it dorsn't work on non-believers. I bet that is whats pissing you off. Your old "threat an' extort 101" not working anymore eh ? But in case you missed it here it is once more: if your god is omnipotent and doesn't need defending, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO WORKED UP WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HIM ?
"Well c'mon now, can't you go along with my delusion to make me feel better?"
I was a a Christian, and reached a point where I just could not serve a god who made me struggle with mental health issues, gender identity, and my being transgender. I made up my mind that god wasn’t worth giving up myself.
Since then I have realized there is not any good evidence for a god, so all I have done is rejected a lie.
If Christianity were to be proven true, I’m still not going to worship or serve that god.
Did he first have a couple of drinks and THEN decide to call in? Bad idea....
"If christianity is proven true..."
Which version of it?
@•- Every christian I've spoken to has their own "version" and interpretation of both the bible and what christianity *really* is.
Not to mention the numerous christian denominations - and the separate sects within them.
So, like I said: Which version of it?
@@mischarowe This should help you: Mark 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
@@harrysquitters8275 This should help me ... do what?
@@mischarowe It should help you understand what Christianity is all about.
It is actually a relationship with Jesus Christ, not adherence to a load of rules. Though looking at how has been portrayed down through the ages and even in todays 'Christian' circles one wouldn't think so. There are going to be a lot of people who think they are Christian because they were born into a Christian home but have never made a commitment to Christ and become ‘born again’ (what do you understand by that term?). It is actually a kinda journey. When you become a Christian you don’t suddenly know everything about it - its Huge! So it is often misrepresented.
@@harrysquitters8275 That doesn't help him with anything. There are countless different forms of Christianity.
Christians: Believe that god exists!!! Follow the bible!!!
Matt: read the bible and follow its instructions
Christians: lol no thx🚫✋
*Exhibit A: Exodus 20:17:*_“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.”_
*Exhibit B: Exodus 20:20-21:* _“If a man strikes his male servant or his female servant with a staff so that he or she dies as a result of the blow, he will surely be punished. However, if the injured servant survives one or two days, the owner will not be punished, for he has suffered the loss."_
*Exhibit C: Exodus 20:26-27:* _“If a man strikes the eye of his male servant or his female servant so that he destroys it, he will let the servant go free as compensation for the eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his male servant or his female servant, he will let the servant go free as compensation for the tooth._
*Exhibit D: Exodus 21:7-8 (=about hebrew slaves)* “If a man sells his daughter as a female servant, she will not go out as the male servants do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he must let her be redeemed._
*Exhibit E: Matthew 5:17:* _“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."_
In summary: servants are property (just like wife, ox and donkey). Beating them up is okay as long as they don't die immediately or loose their eyes and teeth.
Fathers can even sell their own daughters, while the buyer is protected by a return policy, in case she turns out to be unpleasant.
Jesus has not come to abolish the law of the Old Testaments. These rules apply to this day.
*Dear Christians, throw the first stone if you think there's any moral value in all this.*
*Anybody bold or stupid enough to defend the bible here?*
While the above clearly talks about real slavery, just like in American history, a concept like a "bondsman" does actually _also_ exist in the bible (Leviticus 25:39-40). It's what happens when a fellow Israelite becomes indebted to you: he becomes kind of a contractor, not property, working his debts off, while it's explicitely forbidden to profit from him or sell him. The funnier part is the explanation, why his chosen people can't be sold in general: basically because they are already property of God - and ownly the master himself has the right to mistreat them ;-)
*Leviticus 25:42:* _"Since the Israelites are my servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt, they must not be sold in a slave sale. You must not rule over them harshly, but you must fear your God."_
Good luck with that!
Oh.. and it's worse for non-Israelites ;-)
when I was young and going to church, I was never taught about slavery in the Bible, if I had been I would have come to the conclusion even sooner than I did that it was wrong. I just needed the thought of Holy Communion, when they were asking me to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus that was a huge flag to me that there was something terribly wrong in these teachings
@Mike Seork 😂🤣😂
Mark Twain on the God of the Bible : "The swindle of life and the treachery of a God that can create disease and misery and crime - create things that men would be condemned for creating - that men would be ashamed to create. I have met his superior a hundred times - in fact I amount to that myself. God would recognize in himself the inventor of sin and would place the whole responsibility where it would of right belong: upon himself, the only sinner."
Mark Twain on the Bible : "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it, some clever fables, some blood-drenched history, some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies." The most "worthless book" ever.
@Steve lol, you are truly an idiot... You called someone's books worthless while admitting you've never read them in the same fucking sentence! Please fuck off m8, you got nothing to bring here
@David Tucker - And you are a multiple Moron. By the way, Mark Twain was a God believing Deist, who did not buy into the cosmic zombie God of the Bible. Which is why your God requires 'faith' which is nothing more than the (un)holy trinity of gullibility, credulity & stupidity. There is no such thing as God or sin ... otherwise PROVE IT.
"God offers no rewards for intellect. He has never yet showed any interest in it." ... Mark Twain. Worship intelligence? Ha Ha!
@David Tucker - I know that you cant prove jack-shit, not even Jesus. Not interested in your obvious delusions & blind faith meant for mentally under-evolved morons. Ha Ha!
@David Tucker - Christians believe that a cosmic zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove evil from your soul that is present in all of humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat a fruit from a magic tree. LOL!
I remember our bible college taught us this back when I was a christian. They looked up chapter 21 in exodus and 25 in leviticus and they explained that they were indentured servants, not slaves, pointing to the 7 year verse in exodus. That they were treated a lot better than slaves in America, and that they were actually regarded as having high status in the household, able to reason with and even "break the contract" with their master.
What a load of crap.
Just curious isnt that a good thing too then being a slave?
@@militeghebre5386 What the fuck did you just say?
That was so embarrassing.
Getting some (most?) Christians to admit slavery is bad and that it is condoned in the Bible is so frustratingly difficult.
Bro said HE'D be slave 😂😂
All good for 5 minutes, then the pick and choose starts. He doesn't want the slavery part to be "valid" but still wants what he likes to be so. Pathetic.
I love listening to a caller try to defend the bible giving rules and regulations for slavery, lol. Funniest shit I ever heard.
It's the best. The "Moral" book has Immoral stuff in it. "PANIK!"
And the caller hung up feeling holier than thou "because you don't let me talk."
I don't, for it actually sickens me.
@@monica3954 yes I definitely can't laugh at any of this
God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists. To degrade that comes with consequences.
The bible is an outdated guidance/story book on how one should live their life. Regarding Slavery argument, Old testament and new one. Clearly demonstrates the contradictions in the bible (or rather "god"). BASIC well-being means slavery shouldn't be part of it. And if said being is perfect and loving , MAKING RULES for slavery, instead of abolishing it, is wrong! (God is interfering with our freewill anyway, right? by setting rules, why not just say slavery is wrong and stop it) Therefore, said being is not perfect or loving . Sounds more like an organised crime boss. So inconclusion, let's just say god is real for 1 second, if god was real and not made up, god should be in prison, technically. Forcing people to worship and follow unethical rules or we'll burn forever in constant pain is threatening behaviour as well as grievous body harm.
Matt's short speech at 4:38 thru 6:11 is gold. Pure gold.
In the Epistles Paul says - Be a good slave..... In Matthew Jesus says be a good slave..... therefore God in the New Testament, Jesus thinks Slavery is ok. He said he did not come to change one jot or tittle from the law but to fulfill it. Slavery is part of the LAW. If Christianity is true, then Slavery is moral. I therefore reject the Bible and the biblical gods. If man can "do better than the Bible" the infallible word of GOD, then it is not the infallible and or inspired words of a god, but the fallible thoughts of men." You know Kendall that the Bible was used to justify slavery in the USA and during the civil war was used to justify Southern economic structures based on owning people. If Islam is true would you become a Muslim?
@Paul Goodier Google it. Just put in what does Jesus and Paul say about slavery in the NT.
@Paul Goodier And is it ever a problem that there are different versions of the bible? KJB, NIV and so forth? That, even if they have almost the same wording, may put some verses in a slightly different place? I fear that has confused some Christians when I asked them similar topics (unless, that is, they were being deliberately evasive...?)
@@chrissonofpear1384 They are all translations so that is always a problem. Most christians have a cognitive dissonance switch, when the Bible is immoral they do mental gymnastics to justify or ignore it. Doesn't matter the translation, bible is an immoral book.
You don't even have to refer to exodus 21 to prove that God condones slavery. All throughout the Bible God is worship hungry. He demands humans serve him without question or be punished, that in of it self is God condoning slavery.
If a God was proven there would be no atheists. But that doesn't mean we would worship that God.
But if he is proven, and you don't worship him, you will go to hell. Do you want to go to hell for eternity?
@@garrysmodsketches absolutely not. I'm morally superior to God any day. And I mean that.
But regardless that's the biggest IF in the history of mankind.
@@kriss3d no, you don't understand. If Christian god is real (which I don't think he is), that means if you're an atheist you will go to hell. Do you want to burn for eternity? No, you don't. So if God is real, you are better off becoming a Christian. Such an obvious answer to a hypothetical.
@@garrysmodsketches oh well yes I am an atheist. Because I'm rational and because faith is the most stupid reason to believe in something
@@garrysmodsketches some god that thing is, isn't god synonymous to love, kindness, etc. and "isn't worship me the monster" a demand and an act of force?
"The swindle of life and the treachery of a God that can create disease and misery and crime - create things that men would be condemned for creating - that men would be ashamed to create. I have met his superior a hundred times - in fact I amount to that myself." ..... Mark Twain.
If worshipping the Devil was proven to be the true way to salvation would you do it?
Yes
Oh yeah
I just took a few seconds to look up the definition of the word, "bondsman" and it literally said, "serf; slave". Kendall could've saved himself just a little bit of embarrassment if he had just done the same.
When your defense is reduced to “not slave , bondsman”.
I genuinely don’t understand how someone can think like this and not realize what a load of absolute shit it is when someone points it out.
Scott is a great contribution to the show. Great work.