Why Everybody is WRONG about the TRUE Meaning of this Arc
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- A lot more multi-layered than most people think. This is one of the arcs you just can't take at face value.
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Give us Revan in canon
@Lockjaw I have a solution, get all his stories made canon. That or get one of the Dave's.
@Lockjaw they did in Rise of Skywalker by having his name for a sith division.
Simon Williams Disney’s too proud to even acknowledge Legends let alone admit that they can’t do better.
@Lockjaw LET ME DREAM DAMNIT! Please I'm begging you.
@Lockjaw because some, SOME of Disney canon is good(Clone wars, the mandalorian, the end of rogue one...)
Since the prequels, I've felt that the deeper tragedy was the sudden and awful realization by the Jedi that their undoing wasn't by failing to protect an important prophecy, but by failing to interpret it correctly. Watching that violently unfold before your eyes would be horrifying...
"You were the chosen one ! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them !"
That is, indeed, a heartbreaking moment
Agreed pretty much. It made the Jedi more real in my opinion. They were not the all knowing all powerful great people that it seems. They had flaws and they were far from perfect. They screwed up big time and it was kinda sad more than anything to me. Many enemies of the Jedi Order would always say, the Order has lost its way and they are not what they claimed to be. Its funny that Luke Skywalker was saying the same thing near the end of his life. It really shows how far the Oder fell from grace.
Bama Chad
True, the Jedi Order has had so many flaws for so long that Luke was like “yeah, imma have to change a few things for sure”.
Kinda sucks they were so blind, but at least Anakin learned the light and then the dark. Killed the Jedi, then the Sith.
The Jedi were a "False Light ", and the Sith were at their most powerful/corrupt. So, he wiped the slate clean, allowing the true Jedi to come into being, under Luke
@@thalmoragent9344 yeah in canon the only other Sith we have seen after Sidious and Vader is Kylo. So yeah the Sith were just as dead as the Jedi. I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker yet though.
@@BamaChad-W4CHD that's actually false due to comics and novels.
I low key feel like after that arc is when anakin’s hair starts growing exponentially. And that’s how we get the anakin we have from episode 3
Weird detail. But hey, it look good! :)
@zhenwen's bizarre adventures - Agreed.
@@Slender_Man_186 Now you've gotten the image of a giant rubber duck with Jedi robes stuck in my head.
Manthan Shah Fucking. Autocorrect.
Yes, then in an instant he went as bald as the son is. Except with no cool red lines on his head.
I always noticed things about the Mortis arc that seemed similar to events that happen throughout the saga such as anakin turning to the dark side and the slaying of the son at the end to redeem anakin but I didn’t see how perfectly it correlated to and symbolised the events of ep 1-6 in chronological order. Awesome arc from the tv show and awesome video.
@Brando7567 - Beautifully said.
ARCtrooperblueleader thanks!
Indeed clarity in the form of my favorite tv show is a truly great thing
also the reason why the daughter died first then the son resembling the fall of jedi order, then the sith.
@@seadve wait a minute if u really think about it anakin sideous and yoda are basically the replacement for the ones of mortis
Now I that I understand the Mortis Arc, I only have one question:
What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
Now that is the real question
It’s a system we can’t afford to lose
Even before I hit, Read More, I knew what I would find.
What attack?
Funny thing. CZcams recommended me a Video about the dark truth about the Battle of Kashyyyk right after the Video ended.
Love how Anakin also represents the Father. By killing the Son he also killed the Father. Very similar to him killing Palpatine which took his life as well.
He kills the Son on Mortis and saves his son on DS-2, on Mortis The Son says to The Father "so you've betrayed me, father", while Anakin doesn't betray his son
if anakin represents the father than both yoda and sideous would represent the daughter and son
I find it kinda funny that all these people who love love LOVE the Legends Canon and the story of Revan are wishing that they included this in the Clone Wars, despite the fact that it would COMPLETELY contradict the conclusion of Revan's story. Revan simply IS NOT a Sith Lord in the end. And his spirit DEFINITELY would not be reaching out to guide acolytes of the dark side towards dominating the galaxy. The man's spiritual being basically achieved pure balance within the force. And if anything, he'd ultimately be reaching out to people via the Light side, not the Dark.
Ya this is kinda of why you DON'T allow fans to heavily influence writing decisions. You only need to look into fanfiction to see the kinds of plot holes, cliche's and contrivances fan ideas can lead to. Lucas knew fans would enjoy a scene like that, but he didn't do it because he knew it would negatively effect other narratives... Trying to please fans at the expense of the story is how we end up with TRoS which just tears apart the canon and the greater narrative
No one is saying that! Just say what u have to say and quite projecting! That shit gets annoying.
I've been saying this for so long THANK YOU, ppl claiming to be kotor 1/2 fans but then wanting Revan to be a sith ghost and recommending people play SWTOR, sigh
I've been saying this for so long THANK YOU, ppl claiming to be kotor 1/2 fans but then wanting Revan to be a sith ghost and recommending people play SWTOR, sigh
We could have had Revan try to talk him away from evil acts and use the dark side for the betterment of the galaxy.
So basically, the Jedi were wrong about what the Light Side of the force was, which in turn ends up sending many to the Dark Side.
Kono dio da?
Much to learn you have...That is why you fail
@Donald Duck how about when the council sent Quinlan vos to assaisinate dooku?
@Donald Duck thing is ahsoka is familiar with the chosen one prophecy, her telling Anakin to walk away would go against what she knows. She lost faith in the order, but she still has faith in Anakin.
Za Warudo
Star wars the clone wars is one of my favourite shows with the Mandalorian
Yes
@UnlawfulGaming HD - Beautifully said.
Dam what about rebels
Gaius Wyrden just cause it’s not your childhood doesn’t mean it can’t be good. Take off your nostalgia glasses
@Armani webb Rebels is a bad show way to kiddie which would be fine but they put in stuff like thrawn and maul characters that kids won’t know or care who they are and that’s why rebels is a bad show
I can never shake the fact that the son, looked almost exactly as an inquisitor or THE inquisitor, though this is extremely before star wars rebels existed, kinda creepy if you ask me...and..wait, is the son's voice actor the same as starkiller?!
Edit: 550+ likes holy hell, thanks guys
Yh sam witwer, formerly darth now just maul
1. Inquisitor probably knew about the Son or something, or just a design idea
2. I was wondering that myself
I could be wrong but the design could be linked to his species being naturally strong in the dark side.
Yep his the voice actor that voiced Starkiller :D
Could be an ironic throwaway joke about the son trying to control Anakin who’s now his master.
I think I've come out of this even more confused...
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I'm with you on that.
The Brother seems pretty confused for someone embodying a side of the force.
@There are Four Lights my understanding of it is that he doesn’t embody a side of the force, but instead embodies fear, anger, selfishness, and other emotions that can lead to the dark side
To be fair this video isn't fact, it's just his interpretation of the arc. The part about the son is correct but far as what the ending represents not necessarily
Yeah it can be confusing because first starting off affirming that the Light is the natural order of things but then reinforces the need of the dark side as an essential part of ourselves when the answer seems to be in our faces. The Light and Dark are equal parts of each other, representing aspects of selflessness and selfishness which is true but when you look at the Son, you see that despite being more inclined to the drawn to the Dark Side, you see that once the emotional grounding (the light side) was torn from him with the death of his sister then he fell entirely. Ambition overtook and his power grew; basically the dark side is not something to be rejected but instead something meant to be tempered, restrained by the Light Side of the Force, by those positive traits.
By denying it the fuel to burn, the dark side cannot grow BUT that does not mean it is not still there which is where many people who state that the natural balance of the Force is Light and that the Dark side is nothing more than a perversion keep messing up or failing to see. Just as anger, fear and aggression are natural aspects of our personalities, they can always be tempered and there are many grey areas between them; not acting as absolutes. The Dark Side is always there because it must be there for sentient creatures to grow and become stronger, the perversion comes when the tempering light is removed thus creates the corruption itself.
But a person can be angry, aggressive and afraid but still have a heart of gold, still be good. While there really isn't a case for it in Star Wars that I can think of at the moment, the best example of something like this would be Batman from DC. He uses his anger/insanity of his parents' death to push himself, his own fear to drive fear into others and is aggressive against his foes and targets but at the same time, he is doing it to service the good of all, being the hero that people do not want but the one needed to do the things that cannot be done. And when you think of it, even when you have only the Light Side, you may not create imbalance but it swaying to heavily on that side will only end up creating dark side users. The metaphor, a perfect system would be if the police was around but there were no criminals, except that is a lie because due to the fact that criminals are not around and the police are, you can easily have those same officers who were meant to protect become the criminals that they sought to defeat.
The system only works when there are dark siders for the light siders to fight otherwise they become blind as what happened with the Jedi Order over the thousand years where the Sith were believed extinct. So the Light is not the natural order, it is the preferred outcome and that is all.
I’ve always had some trouble with the Mortis arc. Maybe I’m too literal. I don’t like the idea that the Force is actually beings. I prefer to think that these were Celestials that were so steeped in the Force, that over time they came to represent its aspects.
Retro Rocketz that’s what I think it is. Makes more sense
They were never portrayed as that. The Father said that they were called Force Wielders, not that they were the actual Force itself. They were representations of the people who could wield the Force, i.e. Jedi and Sith. The Father existed to keep them in balance.
This entire arc felt a lot like the Greek myths of old; what made these Mortis Gods interesting is that they each had their own motivations despite being archetypal representations surrounding the Force.
Get out
I think that’s exactly what they were. I thought it was made pretty clear that they were just beings with immense power within the Force, while not being conduits of the Force themselves. The planet Mortis (or plain of existence, whatever) is more in line with being the Force itself.
Anakin:exists
Father:It’s free real estate
anakin=house
@@jeffboi2668 no no no, house=anakin
the voice acting of the son from that cut scene was amazing. gave me chills
As we come to expect with Sam Witwer.
They didn’t need to cut that scene, they simply needed to use a different icon than revan. One that wouldn’t clash with the lore.
Death Bane would have been a perfect fit as the Sith who began the rule of two. I know he’s in just one TCW episode but he still should have had the honor of influencing the Son on Mortis.
There are many problems with the Sequels, especially with Rise of Skywalker. But I am rather partial to the notion that the Rule of Two is both a corruption of the Force Bond/Dyad, and not just a political/philosophical movement of Bane, but an almost Ritualistic one.
The Fantasy series "Once Upon a Time", featured a Being known as the "Dark One". Upon death, the person who killed them would take their place. This was a significant lore point. When we finally saw through the eyes of one of the Dark Ones, they suffered from hallucinations of their predecessors, hooded figures in procession going all the way back to the First. Menacing and terrifying.
Similarly, in the animated series "Avatar", its possible for the titular character to speak to and witness their preceding incarnations, going back through the ages.
I always thought it would have been a really cool image to have the latest of the Sith look back through the legacy, and Hallucinate their predecessors. It would be a visually striking scene to see Kylo Ren have a vision of Vader, Sidious, Plagius, etc etc, going back. Not even saying anything, but judging him.
When Palpatine boasts that All of the Sith live within him, I thought it was a striking image. The chain, going back to Bane.
It would have been perfectly acceptable for the voice speaking to the Son to be Bane - but also feature flashes of other famous Sith Lords. Flickering in and out of the Darkness. I would also suggest - though not confirm - that the images and visions were merely the delusions of the Son, rather than true Spirits; by having Obi Wan and Anakin - who had seen true force ghosts and similar visions by this point - be unable to see them.
In short, have Bane be present, but merely symbolic of the Legacy of the Sith - rather than the actual spectre of his spirt.
but as also stated, Sark side users can not become Force Ghosts
Exar Kun maybe?
Why not Bane? Or Vitiate?
I also kinda of always thought The Ones represented the history of The Force and the ones who served it in the arc. The Dark Side would only reign a short time similar to the son, and the Jedi were ultimately the ones responsible for fall of The Light Side, just like the daughter. And in the end, balance was restored in the form of rebirth.
He did bring justice to both sides in the end
The Morris arc is why I can’t see the sequels as cannon, it undermines the whole story of Star Wars by starting back up the cycle
Really almost every other timeline has the Jedi and Sith fighting again after the OT
The Last Jedi pulls very strongly from the Mortis arc
In fairness to the sequels while they handled it extremely poorly I do believe the galaxy to be a much less interesting place without the sith. After the Thrawn return empire and the Vong invasion there really aren’t that many interesting threats for the galaxy to face.
It's because Kathleen kennedy wanted to wipe out everything george lucas did and replace his creation with Rey, the female messiah. Rey is literally supposed to represent kennedy herself. But the thing about this video that most don't realize is to restore balance, Anakin had to wipe out the jedi too. I didn't fully realize that either. A full reset to factory settings so to speak!
@@andrewa9064 yes, but all of the threats faced in Legends after the OT either already existed before episode six, or were caused by something that already existed before episode six. There’s no mention of someone like say, Lumia, in new Canaan that served as a catalyst.
I find their lack of faith disturbing the mortis arc is one of the best especially when u think about Abeloth
Abeloth is the nightmare that makes nightmare mere dreams. Except when she emerges the nightmare becomes reality
Brian Angeles only the most powerful Jedi take on such a threat luckily for us he did and with the thought of nothing but the love of his wife and child he is what Vader was not.
The Chosen One
Broken knight luke isn’t the chosen
big clover he has the potential of the chosen one and is what his father was not that’s the entire arc of his character George Lucas said it himself
Broken knight i know, what i meant is that he has the potential of the chosen one but anakin is still the chosen one
when i watched the mortis arc i picked up on the fact that the daughter represented the jedi who were killed by palpatine who was represented by the son who killed the daughter. the father represented Anakin who scarified himself to kill palpatine.
“One thing I never understood was why the Jedi viewed their legitimate psionic abilities through the lens of a spirituality rather than through strictly the lens of science. Surely, they have predictive capabilities. A lot of Jedi knew that they were about to be killed and by whom when the clones turned on them and gunned most of them down. Of course, due to their ethics, those poor monks could scarcely defend themselves against the recently made friends they had bled beside for the entire war. Ironically enough, it was a Jedi who convinced me that I should think for myself sometimes. I would not be alive today without that advice.” ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion.
I think spirituality and science aren't mutually exclusive, ESPECIALLY in the Star Wars Universe. Spirituality is just humanity's attempt to understand the things that cannot be explained by science and answer the questions that science cannot.
Also, pretty much all of the Jedi - even those like Master Yoda - had NO idea what was going on until it was far too late, basically until it was actually happening. Chiefly because of Palpatine's machinations and his using the power of the dark side to manipulate and cloud the vision and judgment of the Jedi, which has been noted as one of Palpatine's most notable traits, his ability to keep himself and his plans and true motives absolutely shrouded in darkness from all. But beyond that, it also is because of the Jedi's arrogance, especially the arrogance of the council. Their insistence that the Sith have not returned until it was literally undeniable is a prime example of this. They sealed themselves off in their LITERAL ivory tower and stuck their heads up their own asses, insistent that they had the universe all figured out and not even entertaining the idea that maybe there is more to learn. And as a result, the Clone Wars totally caught them off guard and in their panic, they allowed themselves to become servants of the Republic instead of the force. And wouldnt you know, the Republic was under the control of their ultimate enemy all along, but they never realized this because they got too focused on the small picture and lost sight of the big picture. They stopped trusting in the will of the force to guide them, so to speak.
Idk, theres a lot more to it than just that, but that's basically the gist of things and all I really have the patience or the time or the space to write here.
*cough* Midichlorians *cough*
@@dildonius Saying spirituality is an attempt to understand things that can't be explained bu science is not correct. Science can explain it, and it's not "real". Spirituality is a belief of the unbelievable or unprovable. Which to me embodies the erroneous belief that humans are greater than we actually are. A belief many people have. For some reason we refuse to accept the reality we live in, and choose to believe in fantasies that solidify our meaning in the universe.
@@97alexk Comparing religion to gravity is a stretch at best. We have scientific proof that religion is man made, that is not debatable. If humans did not exist neither would religion, it is only a figment of our imagination. Gravity on the other hand, exists regardless of humanity. If we were to disappear gravity would not follow. Our religions would. If a species were to come to the same level of intelligence as us they would not discover Christianity, Islam, or Buddhism. They might form their own religions though, just as we did.
The underlying forces you speak of are not tangible. There is no way to observe, examine, or feel them. So how can they be real if real things can't interact with them? We can interact with gravity, we do it 24/7. We might not be able to fully explain it, but we have tangible evidence of it. Even if we cannot directly see something, we can see how it affects its surroundings and prove its existence.
So no, I wouldn't say gravity is almost occult. What is occult though is the underlying forces you brought up. And how some people think they can somehow perceive these forces, yet most others cannot. How do "genius psychologists" know something that by their own definition, is unknowable? Just makes no sense.
@@97alexk I see where you are going, I have experimented heavily with psychedelics. Be it LSD, Shrooms, MXE, DXM, DMT and a plethora of research chemicals. (Tbh research chems and DXM were the best, completely legal and made in regulated laboratories. Or DMT, for obvious reasons lol). And the shit you see will make you think you have transcended to a higher plane of existence. But that's our ape brain playing tricks on us, and we get so caught up in our hallucinations we start believing them. I had a crazy experience with 3-MeO-PCP. I could have swore that I was walking with Jesus (Before I converted to atheism/agnosticism). I was so sure that I had connected to God. But little did I realize that my brain purposely tricked me into believing that because deep down that is what I wanted to see. Not because it was real. The things we see on psychedelics are purely created in the brain, they do not exist in reality. Now the emotions we feel are very real, but not the things we see. In fact the cure to stopping a bad trip is to just remind yourself none of it is real, its all in your head. It works, I used to trip sit all the time and the newbies would always freak out there first time. They didn't truly appreciate the drug and did no research beforehand. Something I highly recommend you DON"T do.
Too much light can blind you and too much darkness will consume you, this is how it's supossed to be, two sides of the same coin, one cannot exist without the other and hope that there isn't conflict.
No
Incorrect, the dark depends on the light to exist not, the other way around! It's the same in real life with Good & Evil.
@@justchilling704 it's time to grow up and quit believing in fairytales. There would be no good without evil simply because you would have no way to define whats good without anything to contrast it to. "If you are to truly understand, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea" -Kreia
@@dillonb5317 what you fail to see is that your allegory doesn't fit the star wars story because Gorege didn't base it on ying yang. He based it on light being completely balance and dark being a disturbance of that Ballance. By this definition any amount of dark would be disturbing the balance. Thus the darkness must be eliminated at all costs at all times to keep the balance. Which is what the jedi do. However their downfall was their misinterpretation of what light is supposed to be. Which is why Anakin was conjured to set the record straight.
@@oof6138 I see it with both light and dark side to be part of the natural world, part of the cycle. But to explore, and use the dark side automatically upsets and disturbs the natural balance due to its nature.
While the Light side of the force when explored and used, it always works in harmony with the natural world. or the natural force.
Basically the use of the dark side in the world is what upsets the balance, not the dark side itself.
I agree with you saying that each was merely drawn to a particular aspect of the force and not the figment of either. I always considered both to have good and bad qualities with the son being selfish, cruel, and manipulative but also caring and regretful. Well the daughter was caring, kind, and respectful she had the trait of self righteousness which is a quality the light side of the force does not have but its many wielders. I appreciate your interpretation and very much enjoyed the video as well.
I remember watching the sneak peeks for the episodes as a kid, and the Darth Vader one blew my mind.
"The force will always balance itself and trying to work against it would be foolish. It is fate." Slight paraphrase, but communicated by a few characters and first from the Old Republic era.
One interpretation that crossed my mind when watching the arc stems from one of The Father's lines: how he says, "some call us Force Wielders."
In this sense, the Daughter and Son represent not simply Light and Dark, but Jedi and Sith; the people of the galaxy who are able to use The Force. Thus, the end of the arc in a sense says that the only way to truly restore balance to the Force is to remove those who know how to exploit it, and simply allow it to return to a natural and passive state.
Of course, the symbolism was also fairly easy to see, so I'd wager the intentional symbology was simply and only to echo Anakin's path through light and dark, his journey as the Chosen One told as a play with a father, a daughter, and a son.
I like this take most of all. Instead of trying to make broad statements about absolute morality (basically Buddhism's yin/yang vs Christianity's sin, and which one is right IRL) it keeps it real and just criticizes the very two very tangible organizations and their major flaws.
Sister is the Jedi Order, Brother is the Sith Order. It also mirrors the creation of both orders from Legends.
its like a game whne it is rekt by hackers. remove the hackers and ur game is fine
This also perfectly aligns with Kreia's philosophy.
@@oliverpasztor788 Kreia was the true hero she didn't succeed but her goal was incredibly selfless yet at the same time selfish she was balance imo as all she wanted was to remove the force from being an influencer to a passive state
@@jeffboi2668 This is the best explanation of both Jedi and Sith that I've heard, and I'm totally stealing this
Then the sequels came along messed the whole story up
Well we only really have ourselves to blame for it
@@shamrock141 Dont drag me into this. I did nothing. I supported Lucas and still do, I love the prequels and I supported the Disney buy out because I respected George's decision and was hoping that a multi-billion dollar Empire would be able to create high budget stuff. Unfortunately they proved me wrong with TLJ and ROS.
I'm not the one to boycott so I'll continue to buy and support content I enjoy and commend them when they do something right--however, I won't stop calling them out when they do something wrong.
Yeah, because we all know the Force once in balance, never goes out of balance. Riiight.
@@shamrock141
Ok, what did YOU do to cause this?
@@vos7619 the creation of the sequel trilogy was something George Lucas never wanted as it clashed with the main arc of the star wars saga however it was demand from the star wars fans that led to it's creation. Demand that harassed Lucas, demand that encouraged him to sell Lucasfilms to Disney and demand that allowed Disney to create whatever they wanted because they knew either way people would flock to watch
There's a reason most shows/series don't end on a high note and that's because as long as it is profitable companies will continue to cash in. What Disney did to so many aspects of star wars is deplorable to the story of it but we are also to blame for constantly consuming the content they create
Hey Geetsly’s, since you’re talking about the balance of the Force, can you tell us the story of Darth Traya?
Easy she falls to the dark side. Theur is no neutral. Destroying the force is corruption which is the dark side. Grey jedi are just another form of the dark side.
@@21penguins37 Not all gray jedi are dark side. Some simply disagree with the Jedi's rulings but stick with the light. Ahsoka Tano is an example of this. She leaves the order (thus is a gray jedi), but never abandons the light. Out of the EU, Jolee Bindo did the same.
I don't think wanting to destroy the force is exactly a corruption of it either. Dark siders rely on the force, this is one of the reasons she finds the Sith to be weak. I'd say she doesn't really fit on the light/dark scale at all due to her hatred of the force itself.
Sam Witwer's voice acting is just so incredible. His greatest performance for TCW was this deleted scene for sure
What I really like about the Mortis arc is that it makes Abeloth basically canon but Disney is too much of a sissy to pursue that story
The true meaning of this arc is called the Senate.
I like the take on balance, as this is how I always viewed it too, that the dark side is a perversion of the natural order of things. In fact, in the new canon, the way Jedi and Sith acquire their Lightsaber Crystals reflects this. For Jedi and those in the light, they go looking and find the Crystal that chooses them, both the Jedi and the Crystal basically work together, like how the light represents freedom and how everyone should be given a chance, which is the true meaning of the force it is meant to be used in good and harmony. While the Sith not only take the Crystal from a Jedi but they then basically torture the thing in order to both turn it red and get it to submit to their will, which reflects their views on the Force as just a tool for them to use which they are the masters of. So, in other words, Jedi try to work with the Force or their weapons and people with mutual trust and respect, they sometimes fail, but they are ultimately just trying to do the right selfless thing like the Daughter, while the Sith only see the Force, weapons, and people as tools, things to be used for their own purposes with no respect given and then when they break or fulfill their purpose are to be throw away and replaced, kind of like how Sideous replaced Maul with Dooku, Dooku with Vader, and always had plans to replace Vader with someone else if he ever broke, like Cilo's Assains or Luke.
ZexalBrony479 this is also seen in Legends with the Sith constructing artificial crystals rather than using natural ones while the Jedi only use their natural crystals
I didn't know that, but that is very cool. Thanks for the info. I always love learning more about the Star Wars franchise.
@@elitestranger5262 because they couldnt really get their hands on the natural ones, as these worlds were controlled by Jedi
Minutenreis _ it still works to symbolize each order’s view on the force
@@elitestranger5262 I personally love the artificial crystals thing from Legends. It further cements how many Sith seem to prefer technology over nature. It goes back to how Palpatine loved "technological terrors" such as the Death Star. I find also find it interesting how Vader seems to hate technology despite being a Sith. This probably due to him being tortured by his own suit, but also due to the fact that he is intuitively the Chosen One...aka an aspect of Nature itself.
That sucks that revan was so close to being canon through that scene 😭
Jack Appleby it probably would have made more sense if they used darth nihilius
He was recently made Canon, apparently those Sith Troopers in 9 were organized in legions named after sith lords, one of those legions were called Revan legion, although only his name was canonized not his story lol
On the one hand, that's true, but on the other hand, perhaps it's for the best that Disney doesn't get its claws on Revan lel.
It does make sense that they'd cut him, tho, he died redeemed.
General Grievous1138 i still think that he could’ve have been used in a dark side vision even knowing he was redeemed
@@fat_alsgaming And perhaps he never fell in the first place.
Lucas: Anakin is the chosen one, he brought balance to the force by eradicating the dark side
Disney: imma pretend I didn't see that
This is outrageous, its unfair ! I killed Palpatine and destroy the Jedi, and brought the force into balance
Balance is not a one time act; it's a perpetual struggle within all of us. It's not like Anakin eliminated sin from existence.
@@Zevoxian I think you misunderstand it, legends had shown this well, yes, its not like all the sins are eliminated, but in legends, the dark side was never in a position to challenge the light since Luke's Jedi order, and while the struggle continues on, the light will always reign supreme, as geetsly's told us in the video, the light is already balance while the dark is the destabilisation of the natural order
They don't contradict it, though. Anakin DID bring Balance, for a time. His force ghost straight up says so in the last film. Doing away with Palpatine helped, but saving Luke was the important part. And once the Final Order is brought down, there's really nothing left to challenge the Light again for a long, long time. I have my gripes with the sequels, but that's not one of them.
@@Randoman590 He didn't bring balance at all, though, because Palpatine and the Smith Order never died. They were brought out of galactic domination, yes, but that's different. Also, let's not forget the fact that the First Order rose to power not much more than 30 years after the empire fell. Not only did Anakin fail to destroy the sith and bring balance to the force, but he also failed to end tyrannical reign on the galaxy for more than 30 short years.
The son was already dead.
Father: " omae wa mou shindeiru"
Son: "nani?"
какие?
Lol
Funny enough, I just finished re-watching this arc on Disney+. I was kinda contemplating what it all meant and I was almost there with my thinking but I thought myself into a corner because I was kinda stuck on the “Dark side/Light side siblings” thing
that scene shouldn’t have been cut, it should have just been a dark side vision
Alternative, Revan could have been replaced by one of the many other Sith. Or even a bigger catch: Revans Force Ghost fell to the dark Side again :P - I don't recall a rule, that forbids already existing Force Ghosts to fall to the Dark Side?
Just me or did it feel like Anakin fulfilled the prophecy in this arc?
you're not alone. That arc was intentionally made to confirm Anakin was the chosen one
@@usernotfound342 not just that but he also bring balance to the force in it as well. The light and dark will always be at differing amounts but he legitimately brought balance when he killed the son and the father
For some time I sort of knew that Anakin in the end did what Kreia wanted 4000 years ago.
Putting an and to the will of the Force by reforming the Jedi.
What about the mother
You know, the lady who took a bath in that special water became a god turned to evil and was eventually defeated by like Skywalker when he became really powerful
I have a vague recollection of watching that in a video years ago...
@Balance of The hill Abeloth is the mother
Ah yes, the lady with the big smile
defeated by Luke and Krayat
Abeloth?
I really love how the son is voiced by the same guy that is Starkiller.
Thank you, I love that I’m not the only one who views the force in this light
Also Mortis in Latin means death.
Good catch; it fits well with Jedi code vs Sith code as well; while perverted view of the Force sees death as the ultimate prison to be escaped from, hence the obsession of Sith with immortality, the protectors of balance see it as a natural part of the cycle, 'there is no death, there is the force', and can become Force ghosts, ironically closer to immortality than the Sith.
@@ilke3192
Makes me curious how the Jedi view it. I’ve seen them react to fallen brethren and death of millions, but I’ve never got a clear view on what they believe it is
The light is a simplistic view of the world, that certain values and virtues must be held up absolutely regardless of circumstance and without question. The dark would be asking why they must be, complicating something with questions and constant argument on when and where they should be applied and when and where they should be abandoned.
The Force imposes its will on the universe by making it so that one can only be absolutely selfless or completely selfish, all who have tried to find equilibrium live in exile or on the run. No one can be truly happy in a universe controlled by the Force. The end of the arc is the only true victory - the death of the Force, the Dark and the Light.
Kreia was right.
Edgy Kreia fans.
@@awakenow7147 Edgy Kreia hater
@@kantoboi9699 I like Kreia. Just not those who bow down to her every word.
@@awakenow7147 Not saying I worship every sentence she utters, but what parts of her philosophy do you disagree with? Beyond some minor nittpicks I can't find much that I totally disagree with tbh.
There’s two types of balance it seems. The balance of power does exist, but in the natural world, in non-intelligent beings where there is no good or evil. The daughter and the son embody this type of balance at first. Where the problem is is intelligent beings that take the force to the extremes of good and evil. On this level, balance is not equal power, but equal opportunity to exist. This only happens when the light is dominant since it embodies freedom (and so allows the dark to exist), and because evil seeks the destruction of good. You can’t have one without the other, but only one allows both to exist.
this is good please become a philosopher
I've always thought the Force was like the Tao. The light and the dark are one in the same entity, merely pretending and playing its part where necessary. When the light is too dominant, it becomes the black and vice versa. God merely playing with itself for lack of a better term.
I personally never liked this definition of balance in Star Wars one of the worst parts of legends and the reason it’s so popular is because of the idea that the reason the daughter upset the balance prior to her death was because she lost her way and the same for why the Jedi were so corrupt but I disagree I think that the light going against the will of the force is an inherent flaw in it Same as the dark just in a different way basically the Jed was cult around righteousness and the Sith was a cult around greed but a sin of righteousness is still a sin everyone gives the light the benefit of the doubt and say that every time bad stuff happens because of the Jedi it’s because they lost their way seriously how many times does the Jedi have to upset the balance out of a since that they know what’s best for the force before we start calling a spade a spade
@@wesleystewart1193 I agree with you. I was mostly talking about the Force independent of either the Jedi or the Sith.
It wasn't just the Sith that put the Force out of balance, but the Jedi as well. They had become arrogant, dogmatic, and other things. So the Chosen one not only brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith, but also by destroying the Jedi, starting a process of cleansing that started with Order 66, and finishing with the passing of Luke as the last Jedi of the old order. What Luke misunderstood however, is that the Jedi didn't need to be removed, but changed.
@@sterd1149 Yeah, at least in the natural order. They have a cycle, like yin and yang. When it comes to intelligent beings, things automatically get taken to extremes and a whole new set of rules comes into play.
First just let me say I've been doing Star Wars for a very long time but this is some of the best analysis I've ever seen.
I was always confused by the Son falling to the Dark Side despite seeming to be a manifestation of it.
Also your intro is super cool and kinda nostalgic.
I don't think I have much to add but I'd like to share one of my favourite SW quotes:
"Sith? Jedi? Are these the only choices? Dark or light, good or evil? Is there no more to the Force than this? What is the screen on which light and dark cast their shapes and shadows? Where is the ground on which stands good and evil?"
―Vergere
"Mortis itself is a metaphor for the conflicts between the Light and the Dark, the stage on which the tale of the Jedi and Sith are set."
-Geetsly's
Hmm, just rewatching the Mortis arc, and the intro to the Second Episode has this to say, "The Father keeps a fragile balance between his Daughter, who allies with the Light side and the Son who drifts ever closer to the Dark."
The key part being that the Son is *"Drift[ing] ever closer to the Dark."* in other words, he is not the Dark Side, nor even allied to it; prior to the Father bringing Anakin there, both Son and Daughter were Light Side users, and it was only once the Son started drifting/falling to the Dark Side that the Father was unable to maintain the Balance.
He needed Anakin to keep his Son from falling to the Dark Side or to Destroy him. This makes so much more sense and actually fits with how George Lucas explained the Balance not being Light and Darkness in equal amounts, but by Light dispelling the Darkness, ie: *the Dark Side is the Imbalance.*
Some key lines of dialogue showing the son's descent into darkness:
Father: “You have done what is forbidden. You’ve chosen the Dark Side and allowed it to feed your anger and desire for power.”
Son: “By bringing the Chosen One here, you’ve shown me my potential. You’ve only yourself to blame.”
Father: “Do not do this, son. Do not become what you should not. Be strong, I implore you, or else I will be forced to contain you.”
Obi-wan: “But your brother is losing himself to the Dark Side. He’s taken our friend.”
Father: “No. All is lost. The balance has been broken [ie: the son has turned to the Dark Side] I thought by bringing you [Anakin] here, I would… but I have destroyed everything.”
Anakin: “Can you help [Ahsoka]?”
Father: “There is no light. The evil has been unleashed, and the dark side shall consume her.”
Anakin: “You must help her.”
Father: “I cannot undo what is done. There is no hope.”
Anakin: “Yes, there is. There’s always hope!”
[The daughter motions weakly for the father to save Ahsoka by transferring her life force into her. The father moves between them, and tells Anakin to do the same.]
Father: “Then let my daughter’s last act, be to breathe life into your friend.”
[The force is channeled from the daughter, through Anakin, and into Ahsoka, bringing her back to life.]
Father: “As the balance in this world crumbles, so shall war escalate in your galaxy. As my son has descended into the Dark Side, so have the Sith gained strength.”
This last one is so key, "as the balance in this world crumbles" is paralleled with "as my son has descended into the Dark Side." In other words, it is the descent into the Dark Side that brings Imbalance.
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It’s interesting. The Son begins his fall to the Dsrkside *after* Anakin solves the Father’s test by *forcing* balance between the Daughter and the Son. If you watch, the ground under Anakin turns dark after he does this. Indicating that he is actualizing the Darkside notion of a static, controllable balance (hence the Darkside support of fascistic governance in canon). This is, then, distinct from the Lightside notion of dynamic balance that one harmonizes and flows with (hence the Lightside support of democratic governance in canon).
The distinction between the “dark” as part of the natural cycle of things and the “Darkside” is also made clear by the Father saying that the Son has fallen to the Darkside (in the second episode of the arc, I believe). Prior to this, the Son is perhaps a bit selfish, but still follows the Will of the Father(/Force) throughout the first episode.
But yes, the conflict in the galaxy is not between the light (day) and dark (night) as aspects of the natural cycle of things, nor the grey (the dawn or twilight). It is a conflict between the Darkside philosophy and actions that seeks to stop the natural cycles of things, bend it to selfish will, and the Lightside philosophy and actions that seeks to flow with and protect the natural cycles of things. The symbol of “light” within Lightside is about having the clarity to see what is actually happening, which opens up the possibility to respond appropriately to given situations in order to maintain dynamic balance (aka “good”) and stop static balance and extreme imbalance (both aka “evil”).
This notion of good and evil is, as has been noted by many, closer to East Asian and Buddhist conceptions of good and evil than general interpretations of the Abrahamic notions. Of course, even in Abrahmaic scripture, most of the terms for “good”-such as: peace, justice, harmony, love, etc.-are all synonyms for balance.
Yes.
Balance can be shown through a variety of means.
The darkside would be experiencing lots of anger and choosing to follow that path. But balancing would require to involve the light side and choose to focus on compassion/love. That nullifies the darkside and brings you to a sense of balance. Then if you focus on the light, then you’re good. It’s when you dive into the darkside balance is thrown off
Every time Geetsly says "deep" down a shot
I was very cautious coming into this video because so many people misinterpret what “balance” in the Force is, but dang it Geetsly I should’ve had faith lol you said it perfectly. My father and I (I have a cool dad lol) have been watching the entire series in preparation for the new season, and we were both very confused by the immediate implications of the episode. Your video had an excellent explanation and I wholeheartedly agree with what you said
The son sounds like Starkiller in the cut scene
It is, Sam Witwer voiced both haha, and Maul too
@@Eli_Guy Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was the Emperor in Rebels too
The vader breathing when anakin temporarily controlled the brother and sister gave me shivers
If the brother represents Anakin, then you could also reason that the daughter and the father represent Padme and Obi-Wan respectivly. The brother's fall to the dark side in order to abuse thr chosen one's power is the same as when Anakin falls to the dark side in search of a cure for Padme's death. The Darth Vader vision also happens at this point, solidifying the connection. The brother first trying to kill his father is an allegory for the deul on Mustafar, where Anakin tries to kill Obi-Wan, but Padme (AKA the sister) ends up ultimatly becoming the only casualty of the battle. Then, when the father and the brother both die in the end, it represents Obi-Wans sacrafice in order to set Luke on the right path, so that he is ultimatly able to defeat his father's empire and restore balance to the force.
That's really reaching. It would mean Obi Wan was the ultimate embodiment of the Force, and neither light nor dark (as the father is not). He also clearly refers to the son and daughter as his children who follow his orders, making Obi Wan basically the Chosen One.
The Father is the only being who ever speaks to Anakin in equal terms and basically sees him as an equal. Obi Wan never saw Anakin as that.
See, there is one major problem I have with this (and the Jedi themselves). Despite having THREE representations of the Force (Light, Dark, the Force itself), everyone acts like the Light = the Force as a whole. If that's the case, the distinction between the Father and Daughter is not only misleading, but they're redundant to each other.
I think the issue comes from the fact that Lucas and the backroom thinkers see the entire Force concept in terms of Taoist duality. Which is fine. But they WRITE it in terms of Triquetra. The concept of the Trinity is equally important in many faiths, myths and belief systems, and so people are happy to think of it in terms of that instead.
To quote - What we've got here, is a failure to communicate. Thus, the true question is whether you believe in the author's intent trumps the author's creation. Is Lucas' personal meaning of the Force and the SW universe, what he ATTEMPTED to portray the important thing, or is what Lucas ACTUALLY portrayed what's important? And for me, I see it the same way I see a teacher who has a student who doesn't learn the subject despite actively trying to. It's the teacher's fault for not teaching it in a way the student can understand. I respect Lucas' intent, but I treat the SW universe as what it is (the trifold nature of the Force) over what it was intended to be.
I guess you can see it as the Father is the Will of the force, and the light is the usage of the force most inclined to the Will. But the dark side is not. And the Will of the force is to always be back in balance, the light, to flow.
Notice the father doesn’t ever fight the daughter (except when he said enough and shot them out the window). It’s always the son breaking the balance.
And case in point, the daughter revealing the sword because she thought it was the only way to stop the son, but that wasn’t the fathers will.
@@Bacontats I'd say it's more the Father is a Bendu. He wants balance, he'd love balance, but he ain't gonna do Jack to make it happen. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that it's still three parts to a thing we're constantly told only has 2.
This ark is really just Anakin starting a series of bad decisions that ultimately releases Abeloth. Great job, Anakin.
In Legends, the Jedi and Sith were both descended from the same Order. The Order sought a balance between the light and dark by having all members of the Order experience both sides of the Force. When a member strayed too much in either direction, they had to be brought back to the middle ground. Eventually, this system broke when too many members strayed from the middle ground and next thing we know, the Jedi and Sith were created. The Jedi purged the Sith. The Sith come back several thousand years later and purge the Jedi.
At least if my memory is correct. Been a while since I bothered looking at the lore behind Star Wars and the Force.
Justin Carnes Yeah think you were mostly accurate about the two orders originally being one. Though the breaking of it I think was that a large portion of Jed’’dai chose to fully embrace the Light and completely reject the Dark. Resulting in those that still tried to follow both being shunned and afterwards giving in to the dark out of bitterness for the betrayal. Thus ends with the light siders becoming The Jedi Order, and the outcasts initially being referred to as “Dark Jedi” before finding Korriban & the Sith Purebloods, to truly create The Sith Order.
@@manofmercy1500 Yep, its a classical story, where trying to do good, can create much greater evil. "Meaning good" doesn't make good.
@@NekronataRaeven True that. Also that just because you're using a dark power, doesn't automatically make you "Evil" to your soul, as long as you keep it under control with positive reinforcement.
Darth Marr (SWTOR) would be a good example of this. True he's Sith (& a Dark Council member at that) and has done much against the Republic, but his reasoning for it is simply to Protect the Sith Empire and its citizens whereas most Sith in his position & Time would rather exploit them for their personal ambitions. He'd accept death in battle if it means serving & ensuring the Empire's survival.
Its no wonder that Marr ended up being the only (or one of the very few) Sith in Legends to have become a true Force Ghost.
@@manofmercy1500 Thank you for the extra context. I'm aware that I gave a broad overview with few details, but like I said, it had been a while since I looked into the lore.
Yeah. The Jedaii. That was their real name.
I truly enjoy watching your videos!
I just want to see abeloth in some canon thing.
This is why the Mortis Trilogy Arc was, is, and will always be my favorite Arc of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars 3-D Television series. It's just so amazing and fascinating with how many multiple, dozens upon dozens of layers there are to it.
You have to read between all of the lines and layers to truly understand the Mortis Trilogy Arc in its complete totality.
Thanks for this amazing video, Geetsly's. These amazing videos are the reason why you're not only just one of my favorite Star Wars CZcamsrs, but just one of my favorite CZcamsrs of all time, overall.
This makes so much more sense since it always confused that it did not seem to line up with Lucas’ words on the matter this lines up much better thank you
Funny how Anakin represents the Father, seeing as his name is Vader.
Intentionally, right? Of course originally im sure it was just because he was the father of Luke, so they named him aptly. But when writing this whole arc, I feel as though it was somewhat intentional.
Drinking game
Drink every time he says mortis arc 😂😂
My interpretation of the balance of the force is the Jedi had been so dominant for over 1000 years they had become decadent and overconfident and such extreme dominance of the light required a resuregence of the dark.
Julianus Victor No, the dark was already resurgent, it had to be brought to light and destroyed. The old Jedi Order has gone blind in its power and strayed from the way of the light.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 But one of the main points of the prequels is due to the arrogance of the jedi the dark was not brought to light and the rigidity of the jedi code prevented them from saving Anakin and preventing the dominance of the dark.
Julianus Victor Exactly, but that's the Jedi not following the way of the Light properly, not there being a need for the Dark to return.
I see it same
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 well isnt it poetic that the son reign of power only lasted for a short while after long time that balance was maintained. same with Jedi, they ruled over 1000 years eventually losing their way which leads to their downfall, the sith rule lasted for how long after that, 50 years? and then balance was restored once again.
The problem with the Jedi has often been that they satisfy them selves with a corrupt republic because it is better than the the Sith empire. But they have not reach balance. They feared that restructuring society to something better would risk upsetting the only thing that they think is better than the Sith. Their view of the world is in the reflection of the Sith and anything appear good in the reflection of the Sith.
Electro-Cute I think the problem is their pride and lack of foresight
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I do not think pride is a part in this, that sounds more like something Palpatine would believe about the Jedi.
The Jedi lacked a real motive. They just wanted things to be good, but they often lacked an understanding of what that was.
@@MegaBanne I think the problem with the Jedi is that they replaced emotions and commitment with love and devotion to a corrupt political entity. Humans generally need more than that.
It is very rare, for example during wars and conflicts for people to sacrifice their lives and well-being purely for 'their country' or in service to the government of their country. Usually, we need to believe that we are protecting and defending or families, friends, partners and loved ones, comrades, or some aspect of our culture or ideal.
By denying their members 'attachments' and simply expecting them to fight to uphold some vague notion of 'the greater good' as defined by the Senate and the Council, the Jedi were in effect setting themselves up for failure. They would truly have been better off allowing the Jedi to marry, and maintain relationships with their birth families purely because it gives people far more of a motivation to resist any evil or enemy that is seem to threaten that which they love.
That is why The Clone Wars were so damaging. It was not simply because they cost the lives of so many Jedi and Clones, but that they bought to light the corruption and hypocrisy of the Republic. Whilst claiming to act for the good of all people in the Galaxy, it defended and upheld slavery and slave traders. It caused mass starvation and death on many planets, even whilst claiming to be defending them. Whilst claiming to defend freedom and democracy, it acted aggressively against planets, groups and peoples who simply wanted freedom from oppression, slavery or the system.
Whilst claiming to the be the absolute moral good, the soldiers of the Republic committed atrocities, war crimes and acts of terrorism. It forced the Jedi into a terrible choice of whether they would stay true to their ideals and stay out of the conflict, or compromise them by fighting its wars.
I've always thought that Anakin's role as the chosen one was to destroy both the sith and the Jedi order so that other's (Luke) can rebuild something better. Falling to the dark side and becoming Vader was the profecy. This ads so much more depth to that theory.
To be fair, the reason so many, myself included, did not understand that the daughter and father represented balance and not simple light and dark is because it was not presented clearly.
Whenever you have a question of balancing, there should be clear pitfalls in at least two directions. Most of Star Wars can all too easily be interpreted to show that selfishness = dark = bad which they make very blatant.
But thee is the very serious and in my opinion too subtle arc that the jedi were too selfless, that your own desires have merit too and one cannot be balanced while denying the parts of themselves that are unique as individuals and not merely servants to a whole. This is the role of embracing the full spectrum of emotional experience that stoicism suppresses.
This was, without a doubt, the best Star Wars video on CZcams. I love all things Star Wars but I never really got it. Thank you for making it esier to understand. Your time spent making this video was truly worth it!
Great recap and breakdown on the Mortis Arc, I tip my hat to you on the metaphysical-philosophical meaning behind it from the StarWars force meaning. I agree with your insights and gives me a new perspective on the episode arc which i now need to go back and rewatch.
Nice!!! Somebody else gets it!!! I thought I was all alone!
I like how The Grand Inquisitor is literally The Son without terminator eyes
Amazing video and very profound...as was that arc. Thank you.
His intro is always a nostalgia dose, coming home after school and turning on Battlefront 2 on my PS2 and playing all night long
personally i favor the idea that the light and dark are two sides of the same coin neither is right. and all is true and necessary for balance. the idea of the darkside needing to be destroyed seems to fail if u consider that the light was largely destroyed by palpatine and the galaxy was never at risk of ending. also when the sith were exterminated the republic became a hub for corruption
To add to this, it seems truly bizarre to me that the guiding principle of The Light (tm) is to uphold the balance, rather than to further its own ends and perspective. No other cosmology does this, at least that I'm aware of. Light and Dark are always opposites, and when "balance" exists as a separate entity or movement, it is always discretely separate. In fact, it almost feels like having The Light tied so tightly to The Balance, but not being a part of it, is setting The Light up for failure and making it inevitable that The Dark will rise again.
It's also confusing to see this be canon alongside the Sequel Trilogy, which would seem to throw all of this out the window and bring forth the Dark Side again. The 2 things would seem to be mutually exclusive. The only way it reconciles is that the balanced state of The Force cannot be maintained for any significant length of time, and that even if The Dark side is completely destroyed it will manifest itself all over again no matter what.
@@PhailRaptor I see what you mean. With Star Wars being a work of art it is still open to interpretation I guess. Sometimes I like to think of the dark side as being akin to the concept of cosmic evil in the Wheel of Time universe, which is destructive but also serves the purpose of moving life forward because without it the world would just stagnate and never change for the worse OR for the better.
I thought that the sequel trilogy was going to be about the rise of a new Son and Daughter through the accomplishments of Rey and Kylo Ren. Their relationship was very similar to that of the Son and the Daughter.
Not to mention the sequel trilogy could really have had more of Anakin in it, and Anakin could have been the Skywalker to rise in IX as the new Father, acting as mediator between Rey and Kylo.
That would have been so cool!
That's honestly really good
(I 'll may or may not use that)
1 minute in and I already love you, just for that beautiful intro, brings up so many good memories
This was a fantastic video, thanks for this. I had picked up some but this laid it out well.
I am realizing many deep things about Star wars every day.
tfw Anakin wasn't supposed to just destroy the sith, but totally shake up the force as a whole.
But none of that matters because Anakin did nothing other than saving Luke, and "somehow palpatine returned".
Amazing Video Bro! 👌
I love that the son has many dark sided quotes, like Palpatine's "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design"
How exactly does someone who embodies the Dark Side....fall to the Dark Side?
He explains in the vid but it's all personal interpretation. He argues the son being the embodiment of human qualities that feed the dark side is what allows him to fall and embrace it. Similarly to darth malgus who killed his own wife to ensure true embrace of the dark side, the son is still dark in his alignment but it's the death of his sister that truly makes him fall.
@@TY-km8hj It's an interesting view, but its not necessarily the whole picture. A person could fall 'to the Dark Side' not just through negative emotions, but entirely laudable and positive ones.
Love for example. Anakin fell because he loved too much and was prepared to do anything to save his love. In the novelization of ROTS a similar thing actually happens with Mace Windu. He is devoted to the Republic and the concept of civilization as one would be to a lover. Its even described as being like a 'secret lover' to him.
Hence, when the republic that he has devoted his life to is threatened, and basis of it proves to be a lie, Windu reacts impulsively with anger and hate.
Anakin fell through love, but was also redeemed by love. Loyalty and devotion could also result in a person's fall. This is the problem with defining the light side as only positive emotions, because even positive emotions, when taken too far, can lead to wrong and evil actions.
However, the Jedi philosophy of eschewing all emotions is also deeply flawed. People who distance themselves and cut themselves off from all emotion usually become sociopaths and psychopaths of the very worst kind. They are almost always more dangerous and evil than people who give into their emotions.
@@englishlady9797 @English Lady it's not my view I was just explaining what geetsly was saying. Ofc we knw about anakin and I really like windu and that moment in the novelisation, it makes his reasoning for wanting to kill sidious understandable and ultimately right since even if arrested sidious controls everything. The best example of falling for positive reasons I'd argue would be revan. He was very altruistic but he realised that the republic and jedi were incredibly flawed and were not ready to face the true sith empire that was hiding in the unknown regions. So he embraced it so that he could understand it and learn from it, take control of the galaxy using the star forge and then start a new order that would be able to face the true sith empire and keep the galaxy intact.
Also I like how u mention the flaws of the jedi by repressing their emotions which is incredibly true. Revan realised this and is one of the reasons he disapproved of them and wanted change since he realised they will inherently fall at some point, he even made tactics that could acc break a jedi mentally and encourage their fall. In kotor 2 Mical comments on how the vast majority of sith at the time werent even knew recruits but were fallen jedi. Before them were exar kun and uliq qel droma and freedom nadd before that, all of whom started out as jedi but went on to become sith. It shows that the jedi are somewhat inherently guaranteed to fall. Not all of them ofc otherwise there would be sith or darksiders every few yrs, however the very existence of the order in the current way that it operates allows that at some point some will fall.
But there was too many of them!
Hush up Nancy!
I can't believe how happy I am to see this video. I saw that Mortis arc last year, and I was amazed at how much it reminds me of the entire Star Wars Saga, at least from the moment Qui-Gon brought Anakin to Corusant until the moment Anakin leaves the Death Star with Luke. But it was only a fuzzy recognition. Now that I see this video, it's as if everything is being clarified.
5:43 aaaannnd that's the moment I KNEW the son was voiced by Sam witwer 🤣👌
I disagree with a few aspects of this explanation, mainly saying the Light side is the natural order of things which it’s not. The natural balance of the force/Nature is neither good or bad rather a gray mixture, you can help others when you have the strength but you must also kill to stay alive for food purposes, the daughter thought she was doing the right thing but ultimately messed things up with her meddling, the son messed things up by having greed consume him. The ancient Jed’i are the only true force users because both the Jedi and Sith are perversions using the force to suit their needs rather than having force guide their actions.
That gray shit exists because of KOTOR... sigh
What I never understood is what exactly did Anakin resolve? Did he really restore balance in the Force? In both Canon and Legends the battle between light and dark continued and probably would never stop. So what exactly is the balance?
It’s a good question.
Light being balance, and ‘dark’ being distortion is easier to catch we we can see that the galactic republic was totally distorted, and so needed to be shaken up, or even destroyed to get back to balance.
Not that Palpy brought balance, but he did bring out into the open the corruption and brutality of the republic.
So, the jedi clinging to the republic as ‘peace’ doesn’t mean that it wasn’t distorting the force to an out of balance state.
Balance may not be peace, all the time; balancing on a tight rope is a moment by moment thing, and what worked a second ago won’t necessarily work now.
So Anakin resolved the republic problem, and then resolves the empire problem, eventually.
What Anakin did was restore the balance but nobody said anything about maintaining it so i think everything checks out. Also the fall of the republic era is the time when dark side was at it's peak which is proven by the fact that it's the 1st time in thousands of years that the dark side triumphed over the light when Palps became the emperor and after he was defeated by Luke the dark side was rather weak and insignificant and could be easily defeated by the new Jedi
Absolutely wonderful video. Bravo!
Wow this is such an amazing explanation of this arc. Never thought about it like this before. Thank you for making this!!
One the father made a huge mistake in bringing Anakin to Mortis
Two the people who wrote the sequel triolgy needed to do a deep dive into this arch BEFORE any movie plans were made.
Not only was this breakdown extremely informative, but I'm also glad you clarified the meaning of balance in the force between light and dark not being an equality between the two but an absence of the corruption of the dark side
I have to say, this has been my leading tendency since the episodes aired. I only saw them once, and haven’t had a chance to rewatch them. It seemed that the rest of the Fandom had very different ideas of the meaning of the episodes, their self contained arcs and the outcome.
Not having watched the episodes again, I thought, wow, maybe I just read into things too much. You, however, have reconfirmed my original thoughts, so BRAVISSIMO‼️‼️
Not reenforcing my own theory, but for the deep dive into the nuanced parts of the self contained arc, especially character motivations. Very well done‼️ Quite BRILLIANT actually‼️
It scares me that with the ones being canon gives them such an easy way to introduce Abbeloth into canon since the legends and canon version of them are so similar
My view is they knew ultimately they would kill each other.
However the daughter found a way to break that destiny by saving Ahsoka linking her essence to the padawan she survived her demise via her familiar and thats why that bird is following Ahsoka its a clear sign the daughter survived.
The son was ultimately killed when caught unprepared when the Father killed himself.
This act was ultimately remembered and inspires Anakin as Darth Vader to sacrifice himself to save his son Luke.
Interesting video I wish JJ and co paid more attention to stuff like this but as long as there was no plan for the trilogy it wouldn't ultimately fail anyway.
I think that the Ones were metaphorical representations by the Force of the Chosen One, or perhaps even the last One.
Their time had passed. They show us what must happen to restore the Balance and what Anakin will/must go through to become the next Chosen One.
He is represented by the Father. The Daughter is his good half, his heart. The Son is his conflicted, darker self. Anakin will try to destroy the Jedi in him (the Father), and unwittingly forfeit his goodness (the Daughter) and then, after he caused all types of chaos, the Jedi in Anakin (the Father, literally) will subdue his inner demons (the Son) for the sake of his real life son. Thereby restoring Balance to the Force. He then passes from this world to become the new Chosen One.
I still dont get why the son was upset about his father dying, when he himself tried to kill him earlier.
Regret.
Incredible video. Very well researched and done.
I like the mortis arc. Not only because it added something new. But also because it connects with Fate of the Jedi from Legends
I think that having balance in the force is having balance within ones self ond only acting when the force wilds it, and there was balance in the force in the films after episode 6 when both vader and palpitine died and luke having balance within himself
Warren Gouldthorpe Exactly. That's what being a Lightsider is supposed to be.
Finally someone who understands what balance is! Though I suspect disney want to change it.
8:10 - Sam Witwer’s voice acting, tho 👌🏼🔥
Man... this blew my mind. I can’t believe I didn’t see it before!