Why Nightsister Culture Goes so Much Deeper than the Clone Wars Would Have You Believe
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 19. 06. 2024
- Technically, the Nightsisters were just the evil sect of the Witches of Dathomir, but you know what we mean
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0:00 Intro
0:46 A Wild World
4:17 The Witches of Dathomir
8:18 Nightsisters
12:11 Outro - Kråtké a kreslené filmy
I honestly love the non Jedi and Sith force sensative cultures in the universe. They're just so interesting.
yea its cool to c how cultures saw the force n ny entottys thereof n not jus the jedi or sith i finda similar intrest n itl cultures n how they might have vowd god not to say all relegions lead to heaven but their mythology n history may b key to understanding how they mighta communed with n understood the true father of all i often find myself pondering such thingsâș
It's sometimes easy to forget that there is more than just the Jedi and Sith but yeah these other cultures are great.
@@meediamongergamemodder2302 I had a stroke reading this
Iâve really been enjoying the 2022 High Republic comic for this reason, they show more force-based religions on Jedha
@@integra8472 coool tobad that stufs reserved for comix maka hek ofa movie ora serirsđ
I love the Nightsisters and the Witches of Dathomir in a whole, their "Magic" is fascinating and their worshipping of the Sister and Brother in their own ways and drawing on their power is cool, it reminds me of Sith Magic.
yes it is very akin to that of Sith Sorcery that by this time was 100% lost thats why Palpatine was so interested in them at first but well we saw how that went.
Really miss the light side witches that's yet another thing legends will probably always have over the new canon ... more diverse light-side orders
The Singing Mountain Clan did get a namedrop in a Clone Wars anthology novel.
The light side Witches of Dathomir are back in canon, they were just minding their own business on other regions of the planet while Talzin's Nightsisters were getting involved in the Clone Wars.
@@RedXlVdid they die with them?
The Nightsisters have always been one of my favorite parts of Star Wars. I have been wanting a series based around them and Ventress forever now. Maybe somedayâŠ
Yep. The Dathomiri Zabraks are amongst my favorite species, aside from humans and Chiss.
Soon
I would love to have seen a book devoted to the Nightsisters in a similar manner to the Jedi and Sith handbooks.
âBook of Sithâ has a section devoted to the Nightsisterâs beliefs. The last part of the video a summarized it.
I havenât gotten around to reading âthe Jedi Pathâ yet, but they probably have a sedation devoted to Witches (the Lightside leaning ones) as well.
One of the things Iâve always loved about Star Wars is how different species and cultures are portrayed, even in cultures that many would consider to be more dark side leaning or âevilâ there are plenty of differences between individuals and different groups within the society.
Has there ever been a virtuous trandoshan or rakata?
I mean the night sisters arent even evil lol... lets not forget the Republic was the "great evil" in clone wars... Dathomir rejected those who were consumed by too much darkness and their magic was akin to sith sorcery (that by this time was LOST) very much so but it wasn't even 100% darkside it was the combined might and worship of the sister and brother...light AND dark...
Absolutely loved The Courtship of Princess Leia. It was a really exciting novel (especially if you read the X-wing books), and it was nice to show more about the types of Dathomiri witches that were present. Also, Han Solo was so hateable there.
Lovable skeptic or Lovable scoundrel?
And yet Luke Skywalker was like a pop star for them.
Well, except for the whole Han mind-controlling Leia thing...
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh yes. Gotta love the duality of what was gonig on.
@@MirrenTheDragonKnight Exactly. I still think that was a shitty move on his part.
The Force Magic they use is most intriguing, as well as how they worship the Celestials like the Son and Daughter, both as proper interpretation of the Force.
I just bought Empire at War like 2 weeks ago and noticed that Nightsisters were in it. I thought that they were made by the Clone Wars but Iâm surprised how long theyâve existed.
Empire at War is fun, and yeah, Nightsisters are a surprisingly pretty old concept in Star Wars.
I think I remember my first time seeing the Nightsisters was in the DS game "Star Wars The Clone Wars: Jedi Alliance." Based in the 2008 Clone Wars show of course, but it had the Nightsisters before the show introduced them, so no green magic.
Yeah they've been around since at least 1994 when The Courtship of Princess Leia was released
@@leotavira7854 Wasn't there also one in an Ewok movie?
Empire At War was my introduction to the Nightsisters as a kid. It was also when I figured out what my type is in woman...
@@minicle426 There was a witch in the old Ewok cartoon. I don't think she was a nightsister though.
The nightsisters are such an interesting clan, so glad you made a video on them!
A lot of Star Wars original concept designs look fantastic. I'm glad they used Maul's original look for Mother Talsin's
Something interesting in the Dawn of the Jedi series: we see two humans, a woman and a man, riding Rancors on Dathomir millenia before the Jedi even existed. They and the other force sensitives of Dathomir were taken by the Tho Yor to form the Jed'aii order.
It seems its been retconned that Allya rediscovered how to tame Rancors, and restored the tribal society of Dathomir rather then inventing it. Except this past society was more egalitarian.
The Dawn of the Jedi comics came out in 2012. So, Iâm not sure if they had time to retcon it has Allyaâs ârediscoveryâ of being able to tame Rancors using the Force.
It might have been a mistake. But, that seems reasonable.
The night sisters were supposed to look evil? I always viewed them as a neutral force that, as long they were left alone, wouldn't care about what happens on other planets.
I would love to hear more about the good side of the Witches, i had no idea there were other witches than the Nightsisters on Dathomir until you mentioned them here.
...You know, compatibility between the two iterations is *really, really hard* to compute even with our advanced Multiversal research and dossier parameters.
Edit: Hope you guys explore the purported past of the Kwa and even the Gree when it came to them being the past galactic superpowers and by extension the guardians of said galaxy (aided by the enigmatic Celestials, no less) against the forces of chaos and evil, especially the infamous Bedlam Spirits led by the wily Tilotny.
Luke and Jacon was both able to use the Blood Trail technice in Legends. Also Telen ka djos mother was a witch from dathomir and she was the queen of Hapes, this was also a people where the females was in charge, and the male was lower on the social order.
I recently watched all the Nightsisters CW episodes so this is really interesting to learn about! I'd love to see more of the non-Nightsister Dathomiri witches tbh
Once again Legends has such a richer and far deeper lore than DisCan.
But of courseđ„Č
No offense to the Nightsisters, but when you are led by a Lovecraft horror who literally gave birth to a Sith Lord that caught Darth Sidious attention, and can bring back the dead as zombies which you know that the Force will probably consider it to close to the Dark Side considering you are calling to the dead to your beck and call.
So that zombie army summoned during the Battle of Dathomir was actually created by using a Light Side ability?
Well, that's something I never thought I'd hear.
But I suppose it makes sense, as seen in other media's like The Loud House, The Owl House, and so on, summoning a ghost, spirit, zombie, or whatever to help isn't always used for evil purposes, sometimes it is a force for good(pun intended, lol).
Necromancy sure does do help for good, especially in murder mysteries. Just look at Pathways into Darkness, Arcanum, and the Shadowrun tabletop and its Returns trilogy of video games.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh yeah it would be a big help in murder mysteries. For some cases, it would be as simple as summoning the ghost, asking who killed them, and boom you're done with the case. Justice is served.
@@zexalbrony4799 ...That depends. The souls could either be too complaining of being snatched from the afterlife even for a little bit or will be too deep in anguish and pain to even communicate at all.
@@michaelandreipalon359 So what I'm hearing is will also need negotiators and councilors to help the ghosts cooperate.
The Calamity Trio could actually pull this off, Marcy picked up some Necromancy from Maggie, Sasha is a professional psychiatrist, and Anne can be the negotiator.
@@zexalbrony4799 ...And then there's the hostile poltergeists. Hit-or-miss, I tell ya.
Looking forward seeing more nightsisters in future of star wars
The Night Sisters are badass and powerful and by the way I personally like to use in Cantina Battles & Galactic Battles 100%!
I love this so much, especially the fact that the Nightsisters tapped into both aspects of the spirit world for balance! Their two deities being connected to the Son & the Daughter, such a great callback & connection! Hopefully we'll get more Nightsister content in the future because they're too interesting to ignore! Great video đđ»
Good summary, but you left out the other infinity gate users: the Gree. The way I heard it, the Kwa were at war with the Gree who were using the Rakatta as slaves. The Kwa taught the Rakatta how to use the force, but the Rakatta savagery was beyond anything the Kwa expected and the Rakatta completely genocide the Gree. Ashamed, the Kwa retreated to Dathomir, gave up their technology and intelligence and became the blue valley lizard people.
I love that romance between the Jedi Cal and the Nightsister Mirren. Itâs sweet to see that a Nightsister can love.
The Nightsisters and Dathomir as a whole is my favorite corner of the StarWars universe. Keep it up!
Iâd love to see the night sisters in live action.
If the Nightsisters ended up killing Count Dooku, how will this affect Sidious' plan?
so this is the Star Wars version of the Amazons from DC Comics. Got it.
The Nightsisters or just the Witches of Dathomir in general were always a cool concept I liked from the Legends canon and the new canon
0:01 Mother Talzin voiced by Rita Repulsa from Mighty Morphing Power Rangers show.
So Dathomir was a Republic penal colony full of dangerous animals... like Australia
The nightsisters of Dathomir are the Star Wars version of Wicca and a feminist dream.
Thanks for making this. It was awesome. I've always wanted to know more ever since being introduced to Merrin in Jedi Fallen Order
I loved their depiction in The Courtship of Princess Leia.
2:00 the infinity gate powered by powerful stones called the infinity stones witch were sent to another dimension to keep the rakata from obtaining such power
As a guy who didn't fit the traditional role of being masculine in the 80s and 90s. I felt like I was a witch and really never could be tamed or controlled. The Force Witches of Dathomir including the Nightsisters. I'd be a rarity on Dathomir
I think the whole magic aspect in star wars was interesting I assume that magic in the star wars universe was a branch off of the force but still connected and as powerful as the force.
I would like to point out that the draw their ability to raise the dead from the sister.Necromancy confirmed as a possible Jedi power y'all
Soo too easy to commune with Aliya's spirit and ask her what she meant on her deathbed.
star wars galaxies was where i was introduced to the nightsisters and the witches their founder came from the singing mountain clan. in swg on dathomir there was a nightsister village and a singing mountain clan mountain village and 4 or 5 battlegrounds with active fighting between the two. never tried helping the nightsisters but there was questline where you could help the singing mountain clan fight the nightsisters. me and my rifleman buddy used to farm nightsister elders.
I like it when lesser known subjects of Star Wars are talked about.
Fascinating video, very much enjoyed it!! Iâd love to know more as to the Jediâs perspective on the witches of Dathomir, and the Sith for that matter, though I feel the Jediâs perspective is a particularly interesting question given their low tolerance for other users of the Dark Side when it comes to the Night Sisters.
While i can appreciate the old force dichotomy of light being balance and dark being chaos, i like the canon better.
Light is creation and protection, while dark is destruction and weakening. Both are needed for balance and progress.
Too much dark, and the galaxy becomes a literal hellscape.
Too much light, and the galaxy becomes stagnant, never changing, never evolving, just vegetating.
Light and dark in equal amounts, and the galaxy evolves, and so do it's inhabitants.
Mother Talzans Covent seems to have been more of a cult.
one thing i've noticed is people tend to give the nightsisters less credit when it comes to power. there's an impression that the nightsister's form of force usage was weaker than what we see comparatively in the sith when that's just not the case. in the comics mother talzin was able to bring down dooku (and nearly tortured him to death) and match sidious' power. she only lost because general grievous stabbed her with his lightsabers during said fight. like the nightsisters' magic is no joke and definitely not weaker than the sith's use of the force.
I'd like to hear more, both because the topic of Dathomiri witches is relatively niche and because I value the informed opinion of the studious Geetsly's team.
No mention of Charal of Endor?
Iâm working on Jedi Fallen Order for the first time. I have the sequel preordered but I had this game on PS4 originally and when I got a PS5 I continued my game from there. I ran into Merrin briefly on Dathomir. Iâve never heard of the Night Sisters before. Iâve probably seen them in Star Wars Rebels and just forgot. I want to learn about their history and about their magic. Is there a book devoted to that? I donât want to buy a book that has one section about the Night Sisters, because I feel like it would be a waste of money if I donât read the rest of the book.
TCW portrayed Dathomir and the Nightsisters very poorly.
amazing, would love to see more
The Zabraks are strong & powerful and by the way I personally like Savage Oppress & Darth Maul
The Witches think their males are inferiorâŠ..hmmmmmmm, why does that sound familiar?
Sounds pretty misandrist
Fascinating, thank you.
The Senateâs culture is so deep that it can reach ANY planetâs core.
Hermit state that couldn't put it's weapons where it's mouth was
Did Geetsly get a new mic? I must've missed it cause he sounds so different, love the content btw!
I think itâs his friend or brother lmao thereâs no way his voice changed so much. Edit this is a different narrator than they usually use in the channel itâs Pat instead of Cam
I am very happy to be filled to the Brio of star wars lore I could never find out alone. Thankyou
I think it would be great if you could delve deeper into the lore of dathomir and the night sisters. I would like to see more them in the future thanks and may the force be with you, alwaysâŠ
Imagine beating a species so hard in a war, that they donât even go back into the stone age but return to fock1ng Monke
this is an amazing video is it based on any of the books, if so, which ones?
Apparently retroactively speaking Bird-lady from the ewok movies was made to be a Nightsister
They werenât mistaken there needs to be a balance of light and dark or it causes a wound in the force
10,000+ years, and Dathomir still has not healed from the ravaging at the hands of the Rakata. I fear that it does not want to.
I prefer the nightsisters from the EU. Dathomir was badass before filoni screwed it up.
I don't think that he screwed it up, he just focused on one clan.
Man, the Rakata are jerks :/
Makes their eventual fates karmic. Still, a pity they didn't get a slow but steady redemption after the events of KotOR.
Love from a CoreysDatapad and Vaush fan!
I thought the Witches of Dathomir was just the Nightsisters. And I also thought they existed around 1000 years prior to the Clone Wars. I've learned a lot about them in one video.
Edit (After watching Ahsoka Episode 6): And I now I know they really came from another galaxy far far away.
Great vid bro.đș
more information about the other Dathomir clans would be cool
The Nightsister and Dathomir was the best of Star Wars Galaxies. I spent weeks on the planet, and despite at the time of the gaming being out in the early 2000s and more Iconic planet/moons like Endor, Yavin 4, Naboo, and Tatooine being in the game, it was Dathomir and Lok that took my heart and interest.
When clone wars came out and they confirmed Ventress was not only back, but was know confirmed as a Witch of the Night Sister Clan of Dathomir that was a massive boost in my interest.
I think empire at war first introduced the night sisters and dathomir or maybe some comics i didnt know about
Ah legends StarWars. When even the clearly obvious bad guys were still morally ambiguous.
Ironic that you uploaded this now Iâm listening to Fate Of The Jedi Audiobooks.đ€Ł
Need more!
So, essentially, Dathomir brought the Force itself to the wider galaxy? Or at least, teaching about it?
Are the infinity gates of the Qua the same as the World Between Worlds from rebels? Would make lots of cool connections between legend and canon.
Very interesting video.
I, too, love the Nightsisters.
Mother talzin: "arise maul reborn son of dathomir."
The fact that you donât have more Nightsister/Dathomir Witch videos đđđ
Wish this was used in Acolyte
Can u do something on what the galaxy is like when the time is set to 10000 light years after the death of Ray papatine-skywalker has passed on her gifts to the force
Seems like the knight sisters had the only presence throughout the clone wars era. Even exploring the planet in fallen order, everything is night sister. So many questions....no answers....
I love the night sisters always thought they were so bad ass, I wish I was one lol.
Dathomir = Star Wars Australia, used by the biggest power around as a penal colony and every there will kill you if you arenât careful.
So what was the fallout of both their deities' deaths?
Merrin will forever be best Dathomir waifu.
So I heard the night sisters were total freaks in the sac
1:38 is that a Berserk reference?
I believe Clone Wars TV show made it clear that more than one clan or branch of Night Sisters love on the planet. Ventress was just part of one section
I don't remember them making it clear, they act like the whole planet is evil and made it look like evil red swamp
@@user-yq9im9dk9z It might have been the book Dooku Jedi lost. Lots of Star Wars material and sometimes the source gets lost. (No spoilers but Voz and Obi Wan travel to Dathomere and a conversation about the sisters comes up)
The Singing Mountain Clan does get a mention in a canon Clone Wars anthology book I believe.
Why do the Kwa look like Sangheili from Halo Legends??
Blew me away with the reason for their tattoos. Such cool lore.
I like the Night Sisters, there really cool, powerful and women only.
8:50 Are you saying that The Je'daii (Force Sensitive Order on Tython that became The Jedi Order over time) are dark siders, then? Like, the order that became The Light-Side Adherent Jedi Order was on the level of The Sith, or these Nightsisters? Bantha Poo-doo! Not all Force Orders in the galaxy (Or, specific individuals) can neatly fit this view that you can ONLY be Light Side, or Dark Side, and NOT both. Examples: The Je'daii Order, Revan/Darth Revan, Darth Marr, Anakin Skywalker (Not as Darth Vader), Witches of Dathomir, Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade Skywalker, and Cade Skywalker (At times).
âąJe'daii: They lived on a world that had two moons (Ashla, and Rural Australian *COUGH COUGH* Oh sorry, Bogan COUGH COUGH), one that embodied The Light Side; the other, The Dark Side (Don't listen to The Big Meanies George Lucas, or Drew Karpheshyn, anyone down under. They don't understand you very well), so, some symbolism of the relationship of Light, Dark, and Balance was going to arise inevitably. Plus, since any imbalance in The Force (Anyone being a bit too Light, or Dark for The Force's taste) could cause Apocalyptic natural disasters on Tython if they were not careful, people NEEDED to practice both Light, and Dark, out of a need for survival. And they lived 10,000 years this way in (Relative, since there were some major conflicts that broke out, but none that got started on Tython itself, as far as I know) peace. To reference Avatar: The Last Airbender: Then, everything changed when The Rakata Attacked. This Evil, Fully Dark Side-Oriented Empire came to Tython, caused much pain, and suffering for The Je'daii, and the rest of The Tython System. Afterwards, The Je'daii were forever scarred by what happened during their fight against The Dark Side Invaders, which led to some wanting to abandon The Dark Side completely, but others did not, which started The Decade Long Force Wars (The First of countless conflicts between Light, and Dark), that The Light Side Je'daii eventually won, though all the Force-fighting left Tython uninhabitable. They became The Jedi Order, moved to Ossus, and the rest is history. Basically, if The Je'daii were Adam, and Eve; The Rakata were the snake that tempted them with their Force-Sabers (Like the fruit of The Tree of Knowledge of Good, and Evil), and brought suffering on the galaxy forevermore, as a result. They lived in relative harmony, then those snail-eyed serpents corrupted them. So, there's proof that such practices could work, and hopefully in a less urgent Out-of-a-need-for-survival sort of way, as long as there aren't Satan-like forces to screw it all up.
The other ones, I will explain in another comment, or so, since this one is LOOOOONG.
Nightsisters are beautiful........ đčđčđčđčđčđč
I really need to know where this planet is so I can avoid it
Killing them off was one of the biggest storytelling mistakes of The Clone Wars.
This shows how Rakatan Empire was powerfull.
"mistaken" lmao The Force is a mistake.