Idea Of Evil Explained - The Berserk Monster Manual
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- Trying to break down what I believe the Idea of Evil to be and represent.
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Show me a good time Ryan!
After watching the video: I wanted a good time Ryan, not a existential crisis about meaning and how the universe doesn’t give a shit about me
Imagine how Guts must feel then lol
*Gaston wants to know your location*
If you want a good time, try sliding into Morda's DMs
If you're lucky she'll slide onto your broomstick and take you for a ride
This is a video on Berserk, this is never going to be a 'good' time, unless it's the end of the story and Guts is able to put his sword down and not have to struggle.
Put your number on a truck stop toilet wall. That's what everybody else who wants a good time does apparently
One of the most painful things about the manga grinding to a halt is never knowing whether Guts truly was battling against fate and the Idea of Evil, or if his rebelling and survival were also parts of the grand design
That's a good thought!! Guts said that he is a 'struggler' and opposes destiny(see chapter 91 "Vow of retalation) However, the idea of evil as the video says 'he' controls everything the collective conciousness and the destiny but not humans' willingness and decisions at all because Guts is a clear example of that but sometimes is confusing because thanks to his own decision Griffith went down as we know when Guts fought with him to leave the hawks by pursuing his own dream but as we know it is part of the causality and The Idea of evil plans and God hand plans. Contrary to that, Farnese, Serpico, and the group decided to follow Guts because they saw his willingness to survive against the evil, except casca because she is not in conditions to decide until she recover his 'mind' and we don't know what she will decide now. In few words, The Idea of Evil doesn't control everything, I would say 10% is for Guts decision and willingness, also, Moonlight boy decides to be with Guts and Casca. In the chapter 142, Skull Knight told Guts that he is a fish that can make waves in the water and he knows about causality and I think he may know about idea of evil and he bets an occassion when this world and the darkness will be united it is a little moment when there's no control but he tried that when he attacked femto before the world collides but failed and Femto told him that he was waiting for him and that is the interesting of Berserk because there are no tricks or hacks to kill God hand easily but just we know that they are weak against magic and dragonslayer but as we know, Dragonslayer creation is controlled by causality but in Guts hand, there's a chance to defeat the God Hand and Idea of Evil. Sorry if it's too long.
Well the story had to go more in depth after the Fantasia arc and sadly we will not know that. RIP Kentaro Miura
@@giovanniluisbarrantesl9563 that was a long comment and was good but the Godhand isn’t weak to magic or the Dragonslayer. In fact we don’t know any weaknesses they have, if any.
No one except Griffith and the Godhand would know about the IoE
If anyone's wondering, my primary trail of thought for this is, even though Guts did survive the Eclipse, he was also instrumental in the reincarnation of Femto to the human world. So is he really an outsider to the forces of Causality as Skull Knight makes him out to be?
I don’t think he was full part of the grand design. Sometimes he was swept into the currents of the grand design but he was able to break the current and swim a different direction.
Skull knight knew guts would be participating in the ellipse but the skull knight broke into the stream.
Griffith tried to control the process of making a new body and wanted to eliminate emotions but the demon child wasn’t supposed to be there but Griffith was the one who corrupted the child by his “actions” so his emotions costed him his perfection.
I think guts is fighting against the fate destiny and he has some wins and some losses, but it’s a struggle and seems like a almost no win situation.
Other authors: "The villain is evil because he's evil and has a tragic backstory."
Miura: "Hold my behelit."
"Hold my behelit"
XDDD
@@rickymoen9482 yes, wish I could like your comment 10 times.
So true 😂
@@Delicashilous im literally just restating the original commenters joke lol
@@rickymoen9482 yeah, but the "XDDDD" was EXACTLY my Reaction With a hallf Laugher, that's why.
I've always liked the idea of conceptual threats serving as antagonistic forces.
The three that always come to mind are the Nothing from Neverending Story, the Idea of Evil, and the Spiral from Uzamaki.
Bro I have always loved neverending story since I was young and I also totally have thought of that connection! 👍
The Idea of Evil is possibly the biggest reason that Miura dying is so depressing. I've always felt that when he fully explored this concept and brought everything to its conclusion, I would straight up learn something...idk...something deep and insightful about humanity that I've never thought of or that I have thought of but could never put into words. Basically, I really feel that Berserk says something spiritual about the human condition in such a unique way and now we'll never know what masterful words Miura would have written when revealing everything about the idea of evil and the godhand.
fortunately he shared his final ideas with a very close friend who is helping with the creation of future books. But i agree 100%. we will never see HIS vision, just interpretations
The Idea of Evil is the most Lovecraftian concept of the series. It is an unimaginable, intangible force given a physical manifestation that is beyond comprehension, but being given a tangible form made it too much of a known-unknown antagonistic force of the series that did explain too much too early. I would have liked to see Miura revisit this lost chapter during the climax of the series, even if were to be republished as a dedicated flashback chapter, including its title being "Part 2" to draw readers back to the first chapter where it picks up from.
I don't think it's truly lovecraftian. Well, it is and it isn't. Lovecraft usually focused on things well beyond humanity that did not care for us at all Causality causing misery on its own fits, but as an entity the "Idea of Evil" is almost, well it's Humanity trying to cope with the "Lovecraftian" indifference of nature to us, and our own moral failings and in their efforts to create a scapegoat, causing the birth of something that is *deeply* concerned with humanity and the intentional creation of our misery.
The Idea of Evil is on the category of Bigger Bads.
This why I love the opening epilogue of void speaking when he mentioned the fate of men because it can reflects the world of idea of evil in this chapter or the story of guts , Griffith and mankind among other characters with the many themes of Beserk
You can tell Miura really knew what he was doing philosophically in creating the Idea of Evil, because instead of doing the ignorant “what if God actually evil???” Thing he retooled the existence of the supreme divine being from being the creator like God (who, due to His very nature as the origin of all existence, cannot be evil) to instead being the created, made by the desires of mankind. Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura, you genius.
I dont see how he was a genius
@@wallacesousuke1433 I don’t really know how to explain it in any simpler terms so I’m sorry that you can’t
Eh, he's not the first to do that. "We've created our own gods" has been a thing for a while, it's honestly how most fiction seems to be treating the concept of the divine for decades. But this "god" this Idea of Evil is like a scapegoat that truly grew into what we were blaming it for, that's an interesting twist on things.
A creating being like god isn’t exempt from evil because he created existence. That’s really stupid.
@@d3admaub938 Ah yes, there are definitely higher morals that would sit above the creator of all existence that’s certainly a smarter take than “God can’t be evil because there is nothing higher than Him”
I think your interpretation is why he omitted the chapter from the story. That "He felt like it gave too much of the story away" actually really makes sense from the way you're trying to help convey the idea of evil in this video. Spot on video!
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Was wondering when you'd do this one!
Just reading that in the super hero voice from spongebob makes that so much funnier
Oh fuck I hate spiders
Connected to the world through the behelemons.
this chapter is more than worth a read. how wonderful to crate such a philosophy in a picture book . good video... good channel
Thank you!👊
I've been binging and well gosh darn it Wally I subbed ;)
Your articulate words and analysis are appreciated by God
-Father Mozgus
Perhaps the Idea of Evil can be beaten. Not physically fought or slain, but conquered through changing humanity. If humanity somehow was to change; to start accepting responsibility for their own actions and to also accept that 'negative things' do just happen, there wouldn't be a need for the Idea of Evil. The final battle of Berserk wouldn't have necessarily been a physical one, but more so ideological as Guts and Griffith pit their opposing philosophies against each other.
I think the weakness of the idea of evil is that it's born of humanity's negative desires and need to have something to blame the cruelties of the world on. As such, humanity also has something benevolent that they can (and do) give thanks to for the good that also happens. The Idea of Evil clearly isn't malicious, it doesn't even seem active. It's just doing what humanity wants it to do. I suspect that's why Miura decided to omit that character and the chapters featuring it, because he wanted to expand on the idea a bit more.
Well, we humans are all too inclined to credit purely ourselves or maybe those close to us for our happiness. That's why there might not be an "Idea of Good" in Berserk's universe, at least to the same degree as the "Idea of Evil"
I've been waiting for this one!
I would argue the Idea of Evil is the Idea of Good as well. Saving a bunny cause a fox to starve killing a enemy on the battlefield leaves a family with out a father. All good is just evil seen through a warp mirrors.
Beast in Black made a song about this called “Hell for All Eternity”. Its pretty damn good, if you’re into metal.
He already knows about those songs, he used the song about zodd in the video of him/it
You should check out brand of sacrifice if you haven't already. All of thier lyrics are about beserk.
They got me back into beserk. I only watched the anime a long time ago and didn't know it was still an ongoing story. Been buying the deluxe edition books once a month. Those things are expensive!
Heck yeah! Another video about the forgotten chapter. Takes on new meaning with his death.
Dude, you have truly matured as a content creator. It's a skill that takes time and effort to cultivate, like any other skill. The comparison of this to your early videos shows this to be true.
I think at some point in the story Guts raw will to undue the Godhand or Griffith would create an unlikely fissure in "the idea of evil" making them vulnerable to defeat. In the one panel "the idea of evil" says "I weave every mans destiny by obeying the will and essence of human kind".. well what if that essence in guts carries so much conviction that "the idea of evil" allows a situation where Guts can defeat them? One instance where this is hinted at is during the eclipse in the Netflix movies where Guts is able to physically push beyond Femto's psychic abilities for a moment almost impaling him with the broken sword. Although Femto was easily able to regroup and push Guts back, the fact that Guts was able to do this at all (like walking on water briefly) even shocked a couple of the Godhand members. Who to say this couldn't happen again in a much more pronounced way? I also tend be believe the simple fact that Guts is still alive defying literally all odd's implies there is grand purpose to his existence that we have yet come to know, meaning that "the idea of evil" could be more on his side than we realize. Moreover, all the interactions Griffith has with "the idea of evil" he never once is given reassurance of safety, only that destiny has lead to him becoming Femto.
While I do not appreciate the mentioning of the anime (an existance so vile it makes the Eclipse itself seem beautiful by contrast) to underline your point, I have to say the proposition of how Guts can be able to overcome Femto is by far the best one I have heard. I think there are some issues with it, but I still love the idea and would be happy if it became reality in the Story.
I really like how deeply you go into finding out the meaning of the story it’s really cool
I recently started watching your berserk video is they are always so amazing!! I can't get enough of it please keep making more. 💙
Really well explained, bro. Made me consider some things about the place of The Idea of Evil in the world and lore I hadn’t before. I also think there is no Idea of Good because people would be more likely to attribute the good in their lives to their own efforts, unlike the bad.
My theory, Its all very Jungian. There is an Idea of Good, but unlike the Idea of Evil, it isn't separate and in a place like the astral world. Its inside people. Ill explain.
The idea of evil is the parts of our collective unconscious that seeks someone to blame for their misery. Then the idea of good is the parts of our collective consciousness that seeks to leave the world a better place.
The easiest way to explain it is to say that we saw the "Idea of Good" before we saw the "Idea of Evil" but we didn't know what we were looking it.
The Bonfire of Dreams is the foil to the idea of evil. People sharing their individual dreams making those different dreams become one collective dream of a better future. Back then Griffith was stealing that fire from the band of the hawk. Using his charisma to turn their collective dream into his dream. But if someone could say, influence the minds and dreams of people directly, and got all of humanity together in one place, you COULD use them to defeat the idea of evil, by giving them a shared dream. Just saying. Griffith is setting up his own downfall
To their own efforts ? The people in this world are constantly talking about gods, luck, blessings and whatnot to explain abondance of good.
It is not possible to think about the origin of good and evil in two separate manner, it's the most inconsistant a thing can be. People believe in fate, and it goes both way, the problem is that it goes in one way more than the other, hence the name. I think the idea of evil does the two.
it's funny how people still say "it's not griffith's fault, it's just causality" when god himself said he was created by the desires of mankind; of course this is something you could expect from people who say this chapter's not canon even if the author himself said it revealed too much
"Revealed too Much" could very much have meant "Wrote myself into a corner by overexplaining" rather than "Served as a spoiler."
@@DIEGhostfish i've read again the chapter recently and, if anything, it makes even more sense now with everything going on, with the entire meaning of berserk
@@iochisono97 True, but I'm just trying to explain how it's not totally unambiguous, but you're more likely right than anything.
@@DIEGhostfish of course it's not confirmed, so we'll have to wait the end but imo it makes perfectly sense
this chapter really heavily reminds me of the concept of the warp in warhammer 40k; another plane of existence where the beings that exist are brought about by the collective subjective experiences and emotions of living things
I mean... There's a reason one of the godhand is called Slaan and looks like she does...
The fact that we might never know what the hell the idea of evil’s deal was hurts so bad
Don't lose hope yet, nothing has been officially confirmed, and the fact that they take so much time to tell us something is a good sign imo. It means that they are probably figuring out some stuff behind the scenes. If they wanted to fully cancel berserk I think we'd already know it. Why would they wait 5 months only to tell us that the manga is done, that would be downright cruel and would make no sense. Of course I might still be wrong. Fingers crossed.
Super stoked about this one. Thanks for the upload!
Sounds alot like our world. To think I was like 4 when this chapter dropped is mindboggling to me man. Thanks again Ryan
I was not even born then 😧
Manga was never heard of back then for me.
If things are conjured by collective human thought, then why doesn't every weeb get to marry their waifu, I just want to be happy, anyways, great video, Ryan-kun
That's it though. Opposing wills and the inborn strife in human nature. The idea of evil is the opposing will. If you think about it most people spend more time being jealous or angry at others instead of focusing on themselves and how they can become better and be happy.
That's Ryan-san to you, baka.
The negative thinking in the backs of our mind as well as the hate we have even if we are good people will always feed the idea of evil because you can't kill human thought or ideas themselves.
Them weebs are just a minority compared to the rest of the world
Simple: because of selfish desires. If every weeb wished for a waifu for everyone ELSE that would probably come to pass. They don't tho, cause we're all selfish pricks and thus nobody gets what they want lol
Isn't that so interesting yet hurts your head to put into view.
That negativity (evil, suffering, etc) accumulates and lasts in such a thick and heavy way that people could end up causing the creation of an entity that represents the collective ideas of evil.
Yet good, goodness is always depicted and given to us as a thing that comes to us, pops up in a person or figure and their deeds and nature, and then just fades. The "idea of good" exists physically, through people and ends when they do.
Man, you will forgive me but I could not understand why the idea of good cannot be accumulated and end up becoming an entity by itself. And I also don't understand how the idea of evil cannot physically exist, through people, and it just disappears. Can you explain it to me better, I think this work is amazing and I just wanted to understand this point.
By the way, sorry, my English is very bad, since it's not my first language, so if you don't understand, just speak.
By the way, sorry, my English is very bad, since it's not my first language, so if you don't understand, just say.
@@Lucas-hd4st The idea of evil is always there within people in the Berserk world. When they think of doing bad things, it either lingers in their mind, or is acted upon. In contrast, the idea of good is much harder to maintain. The Berserk world is fucked up so when people think about doing good, it's much rarer. As a result, there is significantly more evil than good. This created the idea of evil. There could also be an idea of good but in Berserk it seems like this idea can't exist. Thats just my 2 cents on this.
@@Lucas-hd4st The Idea of Good might not have been created the same way because humans are very quick to take credit for our own happiness, and to place blame for our misery or our own darker thoughts on something outside ourselves and our control. And a lot of the people in Berserk seem either bad in their own way, or just pessimistic, even beyond those of the real world. Thus the idea of them giving thanks to something greater than themselves seems less likely, even the Holy See faith is twisted up.
Ryan you make the pain of miuras loss and the question of the future of berserk a little bit easier and he would be proud of the work you put into exploring his world. Thank you
Yet another great vid Ryan you always somehow post these on my lunch break.
Another great analysis. I remember first reading this chapter nearly 15 years ago and thinking “this wasn’t in the anime”
I think it will end up playing a pretty big role in the story-and I do believe this story will continue and have a proper conclusion. Miura’s story was too detailed and planned for him to not have had an outline somewhere.
I gotta admit man actually quite jealous of of your ability to breakdown such profound philosophical ideas with such good articulation when it comes to these amazing stories, keep up the good work man 👍🫡🦍
I love your monster manual series, keep it up!
Griffith: “are you…God?”
IOE: *peter griffin perhaps*
Hope you're well Ryan thanks for continually putting out berk content 😎🤙
Let's not forget the fact that I want wings.
This is an awesome analysis! I need to reread this chapter at some point soon
Great video. I do love Miura’s interpretation with the IoE. He really had unique existential thoughts and knew how to capture them with art and storytelling.
My interpretation of the IoE is since it is an idea then it is a constant and free flowing and wills itself with its creators to continue on being what it is. Which in turn created Causality from the intentions, desires, and will of mankind.
Within evil there is a desire itself and it is to escape from its cycle which is where Griffith comes into play to be like a savior and the true intent of what comes from such evilness with mankind as all evil is just an escape towards a goal and Griffith is that goal for an escape which is why he made Falconia. Maybe Miura intended Griffith to be the savior of mankind and something more which then leaves Guts and Casca as a conundrum, namely Guts as he is the Struggler.
Hmm. I really miss Miura and it is so shameful to only have an attachment to someone so great, only through a story, yet it was his intent so it should be shameless.
Idk. He really went all out with such a great story and it made such an impact that so much insight always adds onto its epic telling.
No wonder this is for mature audiences only. It’s so captivating and moving. Almost like Miura was studying humanity and life itself.
I agree.
@@integralgamings2537 thank you
Thank you for uploading the vids!
While this is far deeper, this sort of reminds me of the chaos gods in Warhammer 40,000. How the collective psychic will of humanity (and the aeldari) created the chaos gods themselves. That they themselves were the very reason for the forces of chaos in the first place. And as for humanity seeking meaning to things happening around them, and indivertibly creating the most horrible and twisted horrors imaginable (or unimaginable) is a theme that sounds an awful lot like what Junji Ito does. With everything that humanity uses in the pursuit to seek meaning in the things around us...being twisted into something...else, something unnatural. And, with this all being said, about humanity ultimately being the source of evil, and it's horrid denizens, is this true for the other creatures in Berserk as well? Like the trolls, elves, and such? Is humanity responsible for THEIR existence as well?
Keep it comn Ryan this is top tier content and still glad u keepn berserk goin
The Forbidden chapter👀
The Idea of Evil is based on the "main God concept" or the connected unconscious. It's a concept that goes deep, you luv to see it.
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8:20 There's also the sense that we as humans are all too inclined to take credit for our own happiness, or at least thank other humans for it, we're not looking for some force to blame for it like we are with misery. And so in Berserk the concept of cruel fate and evil impulse have become this one being, this cosmic scapegoat that's gained a power of its own.
With how heavily Berserk leans into the dark side of life it makes sense an Idea of Evil would be the “god” of its world, but even in Berserk I feel there would _have_ to be an Idea of Good.
Judeau doing his darndest to make Guts feel at home with the Band of the Hawk and unite him with his soulmate; Puck relentlessly trying to help Guts and those he encounters; Roderick being the ultimate pal during Fantasia; Even the small act of that priest in the Black Swordsman arc regretfully giving Guts a lift. For what reason did these people act so selflessly if not the Idea of Good?
People overlooking the Good of the world is just a weak argument in my opinion. I’m pretty sure most religions have a reason for good things, and if they don’t have one I doubt they have a reason for bad things. We can forget about Good from time to time, but good things make us feel good just as much as bad things make us feel bad, and we can also forget about Evil from time to time.
I’m personally glad Miura retconned this but it is very interesting to discuss.
Also, minor nitpick, but at 8:32 it sounds like you explain how an Idea of Good would serve the purpose of the Idea of Evil.
Idea of Evil for me, is an intended misnomer or red herring by Miura to represent Guts' Sisyphusian struggle against it.
Yeah, the dude that gave Guts a lift totally got screwed!
People don't just overlook good or forget it too quickly, but they don't look for something to *thank* for good nearly as much as they look for something to *blame* for suffering. We're proud beings, quick to take credit for our own happiness and good fortune. Without this externalization, this search for a "Why are we happy?" that burning need for joy to have a *cause* the Idea of Good might never form in Berserk's world.
Late and all but I personally have no doubts that there is some sort of God beyond the Idea of Evil. Miura didn’t shy away from taking ideas from Plato’s concepts, and the concept of a demiurge is surely one of them. He seemed to take a lot from the Gnostic thought of the Demiurge in specific.
In short: a demiurge is a god with a lowercase g. It is in charge of the physical universe, and can be either malevolent or benevolent, but there is usually a flaw that causes this figure to create a tainted physical world with sin, unable to perfect it, hence all the evil that we experience on a day to day basis. A demiurge is not the true God figure.
The Demiurge of Gnosticism is an abomination. It is a created creator who either cannot see the true God or is arrogant enough to ignore it, proclaiming himself as the true God. His mere existence is sinful and he is animal-like. He wishes to keep humanity in his control, having created the physical world to do so, and uses 7 Archons who serve him to help him with this. More importantly, he is the jealous God of the Old Testament. In some sources, one of the Demiurge’s sons, Sabaoth, repented. This caused the OG Demiurge to lose his position as… well, the demiurge of the physical world, and be cast to Tartarus (equivalent to Hell in Greek religions), where he tortures the sinful.
The Idea of Evil is an abomination who calls itself god and is a created being. The Idea’s mere existence is evil, and thus far it seems animal like, doesn’t seem to have a will of its own, only carrying out humanity’s wishes. It keeps humanity in its control via destiny and causality, and uses five members of the God Hand to carry out its will. It is worshipped by the Holy See much like how the God of the Old Testament, YHVH, is worshipped by the Christians. Lastly, it resides in the Berserk equivalent of Hell, torturing the inhabitants by taking their identities away from them.
I think this is cemented by the fact that there are straight up actual archangels in the universe. The Four Kings of the World are essentially the Four Archangels Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel. Enoch Village is named after Enoch the Patriarch, a figure said to have walked with God and was taken alive into Heaven because of it, where some believe he was transformed into the angel Metatron, becoming a lesser God, though I wouldn’t be surprised if this was just a God Hand member’s origins being described.
@@Ok-kk8ei Dang. You are quite well-read about this stuff. That was very enlightening!
1-The God of the Abyss, the idea of evil described in the manga it's the collective of thoughts, ideas and feelings of humankind during the middle ages when the story of Berserk happens. In those dark times, poor life conditions, ignorance and other factors I haven't enough knowledge to speak off, made people fearful, anguished, hateful, selfish and desperate to find a saviour who would resolve all of their problems no matter what or more importantly, no matter who (the ones who were branded as sacrifices for the "greater good" or in other words the "greater power" or in other words the "greater evil" more like it ). This kind of social atmosphere it's what makes people like Griffith (despotic rulers) rise to power (becoming Femto) without even a scratch because they, like Griffith does, only give people what they long for. In the end it's we people the ones who create our own demons. We are our own worst enemy. Better be humble, cautious and sensible when someone offers us to solve all our problems by sacrificing others. In no time we can become the others. In no time we can be sacrificed for the "greater good". Schnoz knows. Trust Schnoz.
Nowadays there is a real physical thing in our world that it is, in fact, a collective of human thoughts, ideas and desires. It's a thing that is not a villain nor a hero but both of them. It's a thing that like a God, an idea, a thought or a desire can actually create other things in to real physical existence. It's a thing that easily it could be defined as the world of idea where everyone is connected. We needed a God-like thing who listened to us, who we could confess to, who judged us, who guided our path (directing algorithms) who granted us paradise (lots of likes), who doomed us to hell (lots of dislikes) or sent us to the purgatory (some likes and some dislikes) and as always, when Humans have needed something which not existed in Nature, we have Imagined it, afterwards we have created it and finally we have given a name to it. It's called Internet. Although some times it can be a torrent of collective misery, we can't complain about it, after all is our Beautiful Monstruous Baby. A true and pure refflection of ourselves. For the best and for the worst. We "only" have to be better persons (good, brave, honest, fair) and soon our baby will follow becoming a torrent of collective motivation. It's called Mirror Neurons. I prefer "Apples never fall far from their trees" though. Schnoz it's the great source which connects us all.
These are really well made and informative. You have good opinions,too.
"The Cause of Suffering is Desire" (Thats a paraphrase of one of the "Noble Truths of the Buddha" ...Boy I have never made this connection before but wow this is a perfect representation of this.)
(Edit: I apologize for the multiple posts of loose thoughts. Somehow I never discovered your channel until just now - I LOVE how you are making me think [almost 😉] as much as the original manga itself! Thank you, I look forward to watching many more videos...and I'll collect my thoughts together first in the future 🤗)
11:05 Wouldn't that make Griffith the most human of all?
Yup thats why the apostles were human once humans are the most evil creatures on the planet
08:11 Regarding you concept of Good and Evil: Every thing you apply about the worship/idea of evil can be applied to the the worship/idea of good. Duality (at a minimum) is eternal both in human understanding and as observed in nature. “One must know darkness to know the light… Every beginning corresponds to the end of some other modality… etc”. Though the portions of both my vary.
I love how this chapter was omitted and the fan base was like, nope it's still in. Honestly one of my favorite chapters just because of how deep it is. Thank you for the very thoughtful explanation!
Wow incredible video. Glad I found your channel
I was under the impression that 'the idea of evil' was more or less just that, an explanation to the world and the things that happen in it rather than it being 'the embodiment' of evil, the 'idea' is more of a neutral concept
It looking like a heart and functioning as one is important symbolism, especially if you consider the whole 'causality' aspect of the story. Causality is influence by which one event, process, state, or object contributes to the production of another event. And the heart, just as it takes in deoxygenated blood and puts out oxygenated blood, the 'idea of evil' takes in people's actions, feelings, thoughts, and desires of things that happened, and puts out potential actions/thoughts/feelings/desires, that occur due to the actions/feelings/thoughts of the past, hence the idea of evil could be a symbolic representation of 'causality'
There are three things that strike me
1. That the idea of evil is seen as a monistic view of god (one is all, all is one, god is the universe, the universe is god) then that means that this idea is a symbolic representation of all the thoughts, feelings, and desires of mankind
2. Griffith, by this stage, is OUTSIDE this idea talking to it as a separate figure
3. The 'Do what you will' line.
I understood from it that now that Griffith became part of the Godhand, he's no longer bound by the limits of causality. He spoke to the idea of evil as a separate figure, and not as a part and parcel of that idea
And so the reason why Miura may have removed the chapter from the volume releases is because of that, it explains a lot of the concept of 'causality' which had been a predominant theme in the entire series
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If you want to get a clue on how powerful the influence of the idea of evil is, then think about skullnight , his been fighting demonkind for a thousand years, but skullnight himself has admitted that he hasn't been able to overcome causality.
Idea of Evil: hey Grif I’m going to Popeyes you want anything?
Griffith:
bruh im high as shit, and i loved this, especially the bit where you said "idea of evil"
I wish Miura wrote more about the World of Ideas. I suppose it is supposed to be existentially vague, but still it is an intriguing concept that I would have loved to hear more about. I don't think it is even directly discussed after its introduction (and this chapter of course...Miura's decision to exclude this chapter explains why we don't directly see it more. But I would like to have at least glimpsed another "Idea" in this world other than "Evil...")
(Edit: I wonder if the world of ideas is similar to the Jungian "Collective Unconscious?...")
Great video. I think you totally nailed it. When you talked about how the people in the tower looked for someone else to save them, but Guts was going to face them down is a perfect example of a struggler.
Buddha says life is suffering and nothing is permanent. So yeah the universe doesn’t care about human BS. Lol I think those who can escape while maintaining their core values reach nirvana. I hope the ending was that Casca and Guts make it to their Nirvana. Although, one persons nirvana is another’s nightmare if they are not on the same page.
It’s really heavy, it’s so sad we wiki never know. I’m worried that notes could be like what B&K did to Dune 😭
Me being high and hearing the whole human idea concept was super trippy
Amazing video!
6:03 I think this is Void before becoming a God Hand member.
God I miss Miura, I'm happy he gave us the Amazing story of berserk but it's sad knowing he didn't get to finish
Yes! Finally is Your review of the idea of evil!!!! I’m so glad this was accidentally released.
It’s so sad that his amazing concepts will never be fully realized now. 😢
Good and evil are just two sides of the same coin just viewed in different ways
This chapter was my favorite because of all the revelations. That said it did feel like a "peak" that wasnt meant to be shown just yet. I didnt feel spoiled by any means, and it still flowed well with the moment, but the information given altered my perception of the story from that point on. Also no climax punched the same as griffith talking to, for all intents and purposes, god in the deep astral plane.
Ryan sounds like hes into mysticism
remember when story telling was this good? I also like your breakdown of the Abyss. Evil always exist but what is considered good is based on perspective.
Miyura unintentionally perfectly created a believable Warhammer Chaos God
I had very similar thoughts on The Idea Of Evil at first. But with all the literal beings and dimensions that exist in the BERSERK universe I wouldn't put past it that also a literal being and/or energy of evil actually exists.
I just wish Miura could be here to tell us.
Wonderful analysis
If i were to end the story i would have it at the final battle it gets revealed that there is an idea of good, like a big brain in the highest part of the astrel world. And its in constant competition with the idea of evil in the lowest part of the astrel world, over dominance or balance of the pysical world in between. And that the idea of good chooses its five champions in secret and without ceremony, influincing them with the fingertips of a big invisible Left hand of god. Guts, skull knight, maybe caska or puck and even zodd could unbeknownst be its current champions. Maybe Void also could be one of its chosen as a god hands double agent. Idk, theres alot more i could go on and on about with that but its just an Idea (pun intended) that i sometimes like to think about.
What about the elemental kings?!they're not evil they dont kill people they help them and bring life to the world
@@ghost-writer007 I like that, i wish they were explored more. Maybe the god hand of good operates differently and cant necessarily allways act on their own and they have to be summoned for some reason, like cause their incomplete because their 5th member hasent been chosen yet. Maybe its up to humans to find the way to do that for good to hencefourth finally gain the upper hand over evil, pun intended. Maybe they get summoned to help in the final battle and somehow guts elevates to become their fith member. He becomes the avenging elemental god of life or spirit or freedom or destiny or whatever to watch over humanity and it really levels the playing field between a final showdown between him and femto.
What’s really cool is that the fate or causality in Berserk exists in both the human mind and in the physical world. Sure fate isn’t like the Olympians punishing mortals and other gods, it’s something more than that it’s humanity’s will or lack there of when confronted with the evils of the world. In someways it’s the overarching thought that tragic and hopeless events lead to death and hopeless endings.
Its very heavily inspired by Carl Jung's ideas on the Collective Unconscious
I suggest doing a side review mainly on the tombstone of flame chapter where Griffith kills the queen super underrated very entertaining
Really interesting stuff.
I believe that somewhere there must also be an idea of Good, or at least one could be created to counter the idea of Evil. After all there cannot be Evil without Good, it would just be "existance". I believe that the idea of Evil is a sort of Beast of Darkness of the Universe, a shadow self that must be dealt with. In order to "defeat" or at least combat the Idea, I believe that people should unite their desire to do good and, in the same way the collective will of humanity spawned monsters and the Idea, spawn a god of good. It probably wouldn't be enough to destroy evil, but at least prevent the Idea from controlling the fate of humanity through demons and apostles.
Great video I think you explained it well
Those was some smart and int words you spoke. Nice :3
It makes sense now where they got their "spirit" names Apparently void has two dimensions and their the hardest to get to out of the 5 godhand members.
Great breakdown
So basically what the godhand want to accomplish is what all humans in the world consciously or unconsciously desire which is why in the creation of fantasia the narrator stated this is *MANKIND'S DESIRE*
Ahhhh Yeah, going back to some of the BIG questions haha
God I hope we get a finish to this story. But if we don't, as Ryan says in a later video, c'est la vie.
4-It's true that if someone whispers bad things to another, he or she will probably do bad things but it's no less true that if we whisper good things to someone, it's also very possible he or she ends up doing good things. The problem comes when an entire society is yelling out loud through mass media bad things to everyone because, obvioulsy, the result will be everybody thinking and ACTING like Griffith. Mass media tell us to constantly fight and compete one another because this way the powerful ones can live like kings out of our hard work without us ever oposing them. First they teach us to be individualists but then they make us gather together to cooperate to make them richer and more powerful. The most logical course of action would be that our societies made the road more easy for us to live of our own individual business or at least they teached us from the start to be true and through cooperational individuals if they long so much we cooperate to make their pockets grow fatter and fatter. When will everybody realize the better humble working people live, the better everyone will. In the middle ages humble folk had to die/kill for a piece of bread but even kings also suffered from common diseases. Nowadays all the collective lives better and it's thanks to this that a part of it (scientists, doctors, etc.) instead of struggling to survive, is able to focus on curing the diseases which killed both kings and humble folk alike. Schnoz whispers so lightly that sadly no one hears it.
There is always choice (even for demons). Ganishka chooses goodness (Griffith's light, love and compassion for fim) and that's why he stops being a towering death destroyer of worlds to become a gigantic tree of pure light. The count chose not to sacrifice his own daughter and finally justice for the living and the death was served. Although we are always very very conditioned by hundreds upon hundreds of external factors out of our humble reach, we always have at least a small piece of freedom of choice. The more we work hard to increase the size of this piece, more free to choose goodness we will have, and the world will be a better place to live. Although being small, Schnoz always was, is and will be with us.
There is balance in all things (night/day, life/death, etc.). Maybe there is fear, darkness, pain, anxiety and sadness but there is also braveness, light, pleasure, calmness and joy. Of course the first ones are much more numerous but the second ones are much more powerful, after all, an entire year training and suffering it's nothing compared with the brief but intense pleasure of winning a competition, one single brave individual will always defeat an army of cowards and just a single candle can break through the deepest of darkness. Schnoz makes all things for a purpose.
As the restless, curious minds we humans are by nature, we have the urge to explain everything. The pain of course but also the pleasure. Some scientists study that what most men focus on while feeling pleasure watching certain videos, is not the body of those who appear in the video but their faces and the emotions they express. Schnoz is a perv too, don't feel guilty.
Maybe guts is the idea of good he always struck me as someone outside the idea of evil presence.
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This entity reminds me of Dungeons and Dragons’ Shard of Pure Evil. It just exists and feeds on any and all forms of energy.
introducing: the idea of good and
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Falconia is coming to me its a gate of heaven on the world. Leaving the all these bad ideas(evil) beyond the wall and just living with good emotions and feelings. When people want to identify heaven, considering a door about to exceed and when you exceeded it you'll see all the good kind of things gathered to there like falconia. Therefore grifth created more big thing rather than just a kingdom. Also guts said about something for grifth. "He'll want more". I see why he said like that about him.
i think there could be an idea of " good" like there is an idea of evil when we become bias or over look 1 we look to the other they fuel each other like a circle the laws of causality rotates around action and reaction and time would of show an reaction to the idea of evil
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Now The Vile Eye needs to make a video on this and I’m all set!
I just found out about his channel today with that Walter White video... Must be a coincidence
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 I’d chalk that up to causality
I find it interesting that you mention good is just what doesn’t fit into evil. It’s the exact opposite of a lot of medieval philosophers argued for (even during the time period that Beserk takes historical inspiration from). I can’t go into it here but they came to the conclusion that evil was the lack of good. They also believed that that the more good something was the more being there was to it. As in there was more to it or it was more powerful. One part of this thought can be seen in the Divine Comedy since the further down into Hell one goes the less movement there is and the colder it gets. To the point where at the bottom people are basically frozen in place and the only thing that’s moving is Satan himself but it’s really just his mouth and it’s barely chewing on specific people. While the further up into Heaven you go the brighter things are and the more they move basically. Seems that Beserk may have taken this and made it the opposite (even if unintentionally) which is kinda interesting to me.
Zam this was so good
If not defeat it, I wonder if Guts' struggling against "fate" could somehow deter or weaken the Idea of Evil's influence? Say, if he and his allies were to somehow expose the truth of the God Hand, the Idea, and how the world/existence really functions to the world?
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great explanation