Ivan Milat Case Analysis | The Backpacker Killer
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2021
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Ivan Milat? Milat, who is also known as the “Backpacker Killer,” was responsible for a number of murders which occurred in Australia between 1989 in 1993.
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Ooh an Australian case! One of our worst ever too.
Back when Milat was active, I was about 21 and driving between Sydney and Melbourne, with a car full of friends, in the middle of the night.
We stopped in the middle of nowhere to get petrol and when we went to start up again there was a problem and the car wouldnt start. A really creepy dude that was hanging around the petrol station for no obvious reason, came over to me and the other female that had gotten out to look at the engine, took a look and gave his opinion that it was never going to start and we should just get a lift with him. He hadn't noticed the other 3 people crammed in the back seat of the 2 door hatchback.
Knowing that it was a starter motor problem and that this creepy guy was just "off", he had another bloke in his car too (I don't believe he did the murders alone), we just wanted to get out of there, asap! Some people just give off that really bad, creepy vibe, this guy was totally like that to the point of being scary.
I got everyone out to push and I've never seen a car roll-started so fast, along a dark highway, nor everyone pile in so quickly once the engine turned over, ever before!
When I saw Milat on the news once they caught him his face, especially the moustache, was eerily familiar!
I'm certain it was him! Very glad I took the time to learn a bit about how cars work before owning one!
Thanks for the video Dr Grande!
Interesting experience.
I love the way you guys talk.
You know like petrol and bloke.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
@@m.f.richardson1602 lol! I had to edit the phrase, "out whoop-whoop" to "the middle of nowhere", realising at the last moment that no-one outside of Aus would understand what on earth I was talking about!
Oh wow!!! That is scary! I'm so so glad there were so many of you and that the car started!!! I lived a few hours away from Belanglo in Tumbarumba and then Canberra during those years. Even that was too close for comfort! Horrible man/family.
Damn all those people executing a push start that fast makes me chuckle. Skills for sure! I'm Aussie too but only in my late twenties now. I've done that same trip so many times, but never with any known active killers causing grief at the time. Not to my knowledge anyway? 😕 Have we had many serial killers outside of the commonly known ones from Ivan Milats era? It seems like we haven't and I'm wondering if it's been that easy to get away with killings in our country due to the sparsity in between cities. I often wonder if people from other countries really understand how much nothing is in between Sydney and Melbourne when you make the drive.
And yes, whoop-whoop. 😛 I constantly write "whooop whoop!" In a raise the roof kinda meaning, but the Australian inside of me is simultaneously always reading it as "middle of nowhere/ whoop-whoop". Lol
@@m.f.richardson1602 "you know like petrol and bloke" oh my gosh this made my day hahaha. I'm in the habit of saying "gas" now from living out of country for a long time. Maybe I should bring back the "petrol".
"Soured the reputation of the already beleaguered prison welcome commity"
I love your humor Dr. G!
Beleaguered !! His choice of words is superlative !!
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I would love to see Dr. Grande's out-takes where he must crack himself up with these types of statements.
Just so they don’t remain anonymous. They were Deborah Everist and James Gibson, both 19, from Victoria, Simone Schmidl, 21, from Germany, Anja Habschied, 20, and Gabor Neugebauer, 21, a couple also from Germany, and Caroline Clarke, 21, and Joanne Walters, 22, from Britain.
Thankyou for your kindness in listing the names of the Victims.Bless your heart
As the teenagers now a days say, Dr. Grande be lookin’ like a snack in that red dress shirt. Very dapper!
Dr. Grande’s shirts are legendary. I’m sure one day there will be an auction at Christie’s and they will bring in millions $$$😄
Oh vomit 🤢 🤮 hahaha. But yes, dapper.
Ikr...🔥
😩😩🙌🙌❣️❣️ Get it Grande!!!! Lol
The use of the word snack along with dapper gave me congnitive dissonance and caused a ripple in the space time continuum.
Bad wolf
My father was a paraplegic in the early 1960s and went to rehab with Milat's alleged first victim, Neville Knight who was also a paraplegic. The story goes that Milat shot Neville Knight (who was. a taxi driver at the time) from the back seat of the cab, thus paralysing him It was thought to be apparently like a practice run for his later crimes (according to his older brother in an interview I watched). We only lived a couple of suburbs away from where the Milat family lived and I spent the latter part of the 1960s hitchhiking around Sydney's western suburbs and frequently got into cars with strange men. I was such a fool!
@@sherrylovegood that and the Beaumont children
@@sherrylovegood the Beaumont children case is interesting a lot of suspects have come up over the years but no solid leeds
Back in the early 70’s I used to hitchhike Willy-nilly everywhere and never gave a thought that I could’ve been in serious danger. I wish I could go back to the ignorant young teenager I was and slap me for being soooooo effing stupid! Thankfully, at 65yrs I’m still around to look back on how lucky I was to survive such a dangerous form of transportation, yet it was something many young people did at the time 🙁
@@jayrandall9075 I knew about the dangers of hitchhiking in mid 70s. I am glad we have the internet now and we are a lot more aware of the dangerous of travelling alone as a woman
Boris is the only Milat who condemned Ivan. The rest defended him and one brother blamed the hitch hiker's parents. He said if their parents gave kids bus money they'd still be alive !!!!!
Hi from Australia. This was a shocking very high profile case and there was a lot of coverage then and since. I distinctly remember tv footage of the bodies being found in the forest. Thank you for the succinct history of Milat.
Are these kind of cases normal for Australia?
in the late 80s there wasn't much coverage at all when I was there, well not in the Sydney Morning Herald which I used to read.
@@TDubya811 No not as evil as this. But David and Catherine Burnie would’ve coming a close second and the Snow Town murders. The port Arthur massacre in Tasmania resulted in 35 deaths which is where I was living at the time.
@@TDubya811 the international data on intentional homicide rates per 100,000 of the population makes for an interesting read (i.e. those not linked up open armed conflicts). Australia has a pretty low rate but is not in the bottom 25 (Japan tops that list) . South American countries have some of the highest rates, likely attributable to organised crimes/drugs and other socio- political circumstances. The USA has roughly five times the rate of homicides per capita compared to Australia. These serial killer murders are no doubt shocking, but I don’t think they are overly common to Australia in any particular way that is different to serial killings elsewhere. However, they are VERY big news when they do happen in our relatively small and peaceful population- so it ‘seems’ like we house a disproportionate amount of sickening and violent nut jobs down here :/
@@TDubya811 No. This was very surprising and shocking for many Australians. An extremely disturbing case. We had serial killers but this was next level.
Haha!! “Ivan would live up to this tradition.”-another one of your lines I rewound and re-giggled at. Ivan’s thoughts: ‘I’m literally going to give them the bloody finger! Then they’ll really know how mad I am!’
If ever there was someone who could answer the question of whether there is such a thing as "evil", I think this guy is it.
Dr Grande thanks heaps for this 👍 sending love and best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺.... this guy was a MONSTER!
May I suggest Richard Speck? He killed 8 nursing students in one night. I’d be interested in hearing your analysis on a case like that.
@@tinafoster8665 its because speck wasn't really a serial killer. He was a spree killer. From the case it looked like he intended to rob 1 of the women and assault her and when he saw all the others basically went " to hell with it" and killed them all. He was also on a ton of drugs and lost count of how many women he had hostage. Thats how one escaped and he couldn't tell there was 1 less in the room he kept them in. The only solace is he got turned out and passed around in prison. Assaulted by Several men for years.
The finger joke is your best one yet lol!!
He murdered 7 people , but went to maximum security after trying to escape? Wow 👏
Well to be accurate he was in Maximum but got transferred to "Super Max" which in NSW is at Goulburn Gaol - and is a Gaol within a Gaol - an electronic zoo - basically a one out or single cell (no playmate) where everything is controlled by officers viewing the cell remotely via CCTV. Small cell and small exercise yard attached. No interaction with anyone and basically 23 hours a day in a cell. They all go bat shit crazy fairly quickly.
Meanwhile my brother was already in that maximum security prison on a drug supply conviction (18 month sentence).
He said Ivan sat down next to him and he (my brother) didn’t move a muscle, waited a little bit and got up and left. The guy was scary, that’s coming from someone who was also scary and a diagnosed sociopath.
Just watched a video about Ivan's nephew who idolized him and also ended up committing murder in the same park. Interesting stuff!
@@tinafoster8665 Dialogue from a TV drama?
Yes the nephew wanted to be just like Ivan, how sick ? 🤮
"Maybe he wanted to point a finger at them but they were too far away. " GOLD as always Doc! Keep the laughs coming!
I’m from Australia and the Malat family were an isolated family and a bit dangerous. Too many kids and an overbearing father who just wanted farm workers rather than children. Nearly all of them were a bit feral and no doubt there are underlying stories that will never be revealed.
Dr Grande, you have the driest sense of humour and love your videos and always have a chuckle when you throw in your little one liners. 😎
My bff grew up in a family with the same kind of father. Both parents were always hitting & kicking the kids. But none of her siblings grew up to ever hurt anyone else. Most grew up to be drug addicts or alcoholics. There was also incest in her family. This kind of stuff is interesting to me - why killers in Milat's family?
@@SweetUniverse obviously people, and children are people, have to release frustration somewhere. Hurt themselves, their future loved ones, animals or other humans. Who knows. The human brain and linked emotions are great mystery to most.
Please do another video on Jussie Smollet…his insistence on his innocence…that, a racial hate crime was committed against him🤔🤔🤔🤦🏽♀️ thnx Dr. T
@@Warriorcock6969 when all of Hollywood, the president (Joe), Vice President, 1st Lady M. Obama, Opera Winfrey and every news agency called out a group of ppl… ya homey… the FBI, state, and local PD were involved- EVEN MORE of a REASON to hold this fake lynching hoaxer accountable- you’re comment is proving the prosecutors point 😂😂😂👈🏽👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾😘
I would like to see Dr.Grande cover the verdict, and sentence, when it's all over. What was he thinking?
@@Warriorcock6969 No.
"River of missing revenue", that may have been your best joke to date Doc. Gave me a good chuckle.
The NSW Police didn’t cover themselves with glory. It was known that the best clue will be a victim that got away while the killer was developing his craft. When Onions original case was reported the Police filed it in the round metal container
Yeah yeah! 'Straya! Love seeing my country pop up on Dr. Grande's channel ❤️ Even if it's for... uh... less than desirable reasons. A Grande analysis is a desirable reason though, so, woo! Edit: omg the way doctor Grande pronounces "Milat" is killing me! Love it. He's probably pronouncing it more accurately than we do as Aussies, I won't lie.
I knew old 'Mac" Milat would come onto your radar at some stage . I have driven through the Belanglo State Forrest on several occasions. Hard to believe such evil went on in a beautiful place like that.
That seems to be the case a lot! Very odd isn’t it??
The Australian stuff is always very interesting. The question is will Dr. Grande deliver his dead pan commentary while dressed as Santa on Christmas.
Yes please!
He was pretty good as the elf on a shelf, last year.
Christopher Bernard Wilder (March 13, 1945 - April 13, 1984), also known as the Beauty Queen Killer, was an Australian serial killer who abducted and raped at least 12 women, killing at least eight of them, during a six-week, cross-country crime spree in the United States in early 1984.
From Australia. He was beyond vile. The theory that he had an accomplice was one of his brothers. With 13 siblings you could take your pic but I remember he was interviewed on 60 minutes. I didn't know that he had been beaten up first day of his new home - maybe I forgot, but as peace loving as I am, I was happy to hear that. Paul Onions was a great help in this case and I hope after his brush with evil he has a wonderful life.
Marsden his original lawyer (sacked) on his death bed revealed that it was the sister. That makes sense to me because a male and a female inviting backpackers into a car for a lift would be a lot less confronting that two males
I used to work with his brother. He worked at a remote facility and I had to go down to do my work at his site. I didn't know who he was until later, but he seemed fine. Often it was just me and him on site & way out in the stix.
That shows you can’t tell serial killers apart from ordinary folk. Sadly you are the majority!
@@Indusxstan they often lead double lives
@@Indusxstan But he didn't work with a serial killer
@@eadweard. it's actually believed that his brothers helped him, they just couldn't prove it even though alot of the backpackers gear like bags with their names attached, clothing, tents, pictures etc were stored in one of Ivan's brothers garage and when questioned he said two things "I don't know how they got there" and " i thought they were Ivan's" two very contradictory statements
Two minutes after you uploaded this video you already have a good deal of likes and comments.
Yikes! What a creepy guy! I used to backpack a lot and always felt safe in the mountains. Now, even with my dogs and a couple burros along, I don't feel safe at all. Sad statement, my refuge is not necessarily safe anymore. I guess the more peeps on the planet, the greater the number of dangerous ones. Sigh.....
Fuck now i feel even more anxious about going for walks alone
@@RealParadoxed me too
Yes. Carl Sagan once said, "Hunters have a way of making sure there aren't too many hunters. Humans are hunters."
One of the ladies I do nails on was almost a victim of Ivan Milat. Her sister and her were asked on dates by Ivan and his brother. They wanted the females to get in their individuals cars, but the girls wanted to stay together and ended up not going with them. Years later they realised who they had been asked out by.
Bollocks.
@@eadweard. thanks for the feedback. Have a nice day.
Eeeeek!! Lucky ladies!!
@@eadweard. you obviously don't know how small Australia actually is!!
@@Haffina Sorry I didn't mean you were talking bollocks, but the lady in question.
"Maybe he was trying to point at them, but they were too far away...." LOL
Next time you do an Australian case please look at the Claremont Serial Killer: a close family friend was one of the victims.
Martin Bryant would also be a good subject, having set (at that time) a world record for a mass killing.
@@coweatsman except that Bryant reportedly likes nothing more than to be the focus
The prison welcome committee has a lot of work to do!!
Great analysis Dr Grande!!!
Great video doc, you should cover his nephew Matthew Milat next, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
You mean he was a murderer, too? 😲
@@LDiamondz yes he was, he murdered a guy in the same forest too…This Matthew wanted to be just like his uncle Ivan Milat. How sick 🤮.
Ivans nephew was a clout chaser basically
I've stayed with the person who now lives in NZ and still runs a backpackers here in the South Island and he talks about Miilat his old "best friend" with a fierce enthusiasm. He was the person whose backpackers the victims bags were found. And the police records show Ivan received postcards from someone in NZ after they'd left Australia and the writer was very cryptic. But I reckon it's the same person. There's a book that says this guy should have been subpoenaed to give evidence at the trials.
What a loathsome individual that NZ person is. What ever the true number of Milat's victims is he is definitely among the worst of the worst.
I knew a guy, we were both in the USN stationed in Spain, he and a friend of his beat and robbed 4 Spanish cab drivers. One of those drivers was hurt bad enough that a steel plate had to be put in his head. As a casual friend I had thought he was okay, as did other people . When we learned what he did no one I knew had any sympathy for the scumbag. Calling a serial killer a friend is too messed up to even consider.
Where is this hostel? I was planning to go to NZ..
@@SE-hh4vx It’s in Wanaka.
Contact the authorities with his details & if theyre not interested 60 mins
@@mckav2358 I'm sure they probably already know if this bloke is boasting about his "friend" Ivan!!
Am I dreaming? 2 Dr. Grande videos in 1 day!!! 🌵🌵🌵🌵 💕
He’s the hardest working man on CZcams.
His crimes were hideous, the details horrifying. I am not surprised he was attacked in prison. He died a lot easier than any of his victims. May they Rest In Peace.
No doubt but some cold comfort to know he got transferred to "Super Max" which in NSW is at Goulburn Gaol - and is a Gaol within a Gaol - an electronic zoo - basically a one out or single cell (no playmate) where everything is controlled by officers viewing the cell remotely via CCTV. Small cell and small exercise yard attached. No interaction with anyone and basically 23 hours a day in a cell. They all go bat shit crazy fairly quickly.
940K Subscribers. This is happening pretty quickly, Doctor Grande 😁 👍
A video on my way to work & a video when I come home! AWESOME, THANK YOU DR❣️
he wanted to point his finger at them but they were too far away - -
I'm dead.
Love your videos! I would love to see you cover the Sarah Everard case. She was a young woman murdered by a police officer. It is a big deal over here in the UK and has made a lot of young women feel unsafe and has lowered a lot of trust in the police. I would love to see your analysis. Keep up the good work!
I am also from the UK and I agree that would be a interesting video. Thinking back he wasn't just a routine police officer he had clearance at the very highest levels of the UK government and Royal family.
Just noticed your comment is two months old,but this video in about 40 minutes old 😳
lol already said but 2 months? wtf?? and yes do Everard please, or rather the policeman killer, he dumped her near my yatch mooring. creepy...
@@shaunkilcourse8097 Strange isn't it? I only noticed when reading your comment. lol
@@bretwaldablahblahblah3578 Yes, I was based near Clapham around the time and now based in Kent The whole thing is crazy and for the body to be dumped in the wilds of Kent after a night time shift in London. Sexual psychopaths walk amongst us. He lived in Deal I think, of all places. His wife was I think a forensic scientist, of all things. I don't know why the wife hadn't known about his sexual exposures in McDonalds......there must have been loads of red flags but ignored. Some for example was that he clearly liked guns
Dr. Grande, I finally got my hands on your book- Harm Reduction. I am enjoying it and will post a review once I am done.😉
In fact, I was reading just before watching this video.🙂
Thank you for all you do.❤️
Is it good, so far? Mine won't be shipped until 12/17. I hope I get it before Christmas. Deliveries have been so slow. 😟
@@LDiamondz I know, deliveries have been slow. I am really enjoying the book, so well written and the plot is great too.
Ugh, I hope you get it sooner..
@@rejaneoliveira5019 Oh, that's good to hear. Now I can't wait to read it. I hope it gets here early. I'll probably be hearing Dr. Grande's voice in my head as I read it! 😆 Thanks! 😉
@@LDiamondz Yes, you will!😁
Hello, too my beautiful friend, Rejane, did you read my comment that Milats nephew went to the Belango state forest, and killed a 19year old man, apparently he wanted to be like his uncle Ivan.😭
I lived in Australia at that time of the murders. I went to Uni and there always were posters of young men and women, mainly backpackers, bc I was studying languages, that had disappeared . I was very glad when Milat was fianally put behind bars, but I am still fearful of this family and sometimes have bad dreams
"On his first day there he was beaten by another inmate, souring the already beleaguered reputation of the Prison Welcoming Committee."
Such a great line.
I know right? I'm at work and was struggling not to laugh.
I've read that the reason ivan was against drinking was because he was obsessed with control. Might be untrue given his psychological profile but he certainly did have a fetish for controlling others
Adolf Hitler also didn't drink. Probably for the same reason. It set him above and apart from his senior staff.
Dr. Grande will you talk about Billy Chemirmir? Allegedly killed 18 elderly women but had a mistrial due to a deadlocked jury and there has been ZERO media coverage which is unusual given how horrible the case is…. Really weird situation.
Yes, this would be a great case for Dr. Grande. Didn't they say he may have killed 26 women, but they can't prove it? Thank God that one woman pressed her medic alert button and survived!
According to The Dallas Morning News of 11/15/2021, Billy was going to trial that week.
@@dianadenman5637 He did. The judge declared a mistrial, because the jury couldn't reach a unanimous decision. One juror wasn't convinced to vote guilty.
They are planning a retrial. I don't understand the one holdout. The one woman survived and pressed her medic alert button. smh.
An interesting related case, over a decade after this case, Ivan Milat's great nephew Matthew Milat killed his own "friend" in the same forest just for fun, wrote poems and gloated about it. His quote: "That's what the Milat's do". A psychiatrist (or psychologist??) at Matthew's trial asserted that there was no proof Matthew was a psychopath!
Anyone who thinks that this case does not confirm the genetic influence on character; is in denial!
seems like we was just chasing clout with the copycat crime
Thanks Dr. Grande! Greetings from New South Wales, Australia.
It’s been awhile since I heard of this case and it’s cool that you’re covering it here. Keep up the great work Dr. Grande!
Another top video, Doc.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Chopper Read one day.
I thought his books were absolute rubbish, didn't really like his artwork... but when I'd pass him in the streets of Collingwood he always seemed like a really nice bloke! Always said g'day just because he knew I lived in the area, never formally met or anything.
Dr Grande's opinion would be great to hear!!
@@RachaelClag our infatuation and admiration in Australia for people like Chopper, I find really intriguing. Maybe it's the "anti-hero" thing we're attracted to, but I've just always found it peculiar that we idolise "criminals" like good ol' uncle Chop Chop, or Ned Kelly for instance.
If anyone can help me make sense of it, it'll be Dr. G.
Yep have also requested Chopper from Dr G !!
Just a working his ass off for that sweet 1 million, you go Dr Grande!
All the world's problems could be solved by Dr. Grande! Keep in mind he wouldn't be diagnosing them just speculating what might be happening. Love ya Doc from South Jersey!
Milat is pronounced in such a way that the "lat" rhymes with cat. It is extremely unusual for a Croatian immigrant to be present in Australia before 1945. The vast majority of non-British non-Irish immigration to Australia occurred after 1945.
Every time he said 'Milot' 😑
@@ariellewilson5867 Yeah, we'll he's American, so we can forgive the mispronunciation.
@@ariellewilson5867 yes I noticed that too, it just didn’t sit right with me… Lol.
As someone of Croatian descent, Dr Grande’s pronunciation of Milat is actually correct. The way Australians pronounce the surname ( rhyming with rat) is the anglicised pronunciation,
Maybe this was recorded before you decorated for the holidays. The blue and green bulbs are not on the shelf.
Great video! As always. 🎬
I live in Australia and we were driving past Belanglo forest soon after the bodies were found. Everyone in the car were silent with the eerie feel in the air. These deaths impacted the Australian public very deeply.
Can you analyze Mark 'Chopper' Read? Probably Australia's most infamous criminal along with Milat. Very charismatic and entertaining, although frightening. Eric Bana starred in a movie about him called Chopper. Unbelievable movie that's definitely worth a watch btw. Thanks would really appreciate it
I love Heath Franklin's comedic version
I was in coles in the liquor department in Healesville Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 I felt someone looking at me, and I looked up and who should it be ? That’s right Chopper Read.. I looked straight at his ears…. Lol. Then I knew it was him alright… We both went to the counter to be served at the same time.. I said that he could go first, I didn’t want to upset him, never know what he could do to me…. Lol. My husband was jealous of me that I saw him, he is a police officer……. Lol.
Yes I have requested Chopper from Dr Grande in the past!! Really hope he does a video on him!
Neddy Smith would be a good one
Most of Choppers claims were BS. He was a grand story teller. I agree with the comment by Jane Naughtin in this thread regarding Neddy Smith. He was a real 'hard' criminal and diverse in the crimes he committed - everything from "rage" murder where he stabbed Ron Flavell the tow truck driver in a road rage incident. He is the prime suspect for choking and then drowning by standing on her chest in the shallow water of Centennial Park, Sydney murder of Sally Anne Huckstep plus a heap more murders, Drug Supply and Rape. He also drove Warren Lanfranchie to a meeting where he was shot dead by Detective Sergeant Roger Rogerson. Rogerson went on the be convicted of the murder of Jamie Goa over a 3kg meth deal. It goes on and on.
I've heard that people close to the family all agree his family helped him either with the acts or with disposal too
There are proper reasons to believe that it was actually his sister. Two years after her death on the occasion of Ivan's original lawyer (Paul Marsden) own death - he revealed on his death bed that she was involved. This was probably unethical because although Milat had been convicted by then - that information by inference came from Milat whilst he (Marsden) was acting for him. Anyway the only other person Milat is said to have confessed to was his mother - during a prison visit - the purpose of which was to put her out of her misery regarding the issue that her son had been wrongly convicted. With the exception of Boris (who even changed his surname later in protest) the whole family kept up the front that Ivan was innocent.
Hiya from Queensland, Australia. My gooooodness you brought back some memories! I happened to be doing "School Work Experience" with the Channel 10 Newsroom when this unfolded. I went with the news crew to report on this story at the forest. Pretty gruesome yet somewhat thrilling experience at the time! Loved the information in this, you brought it all together really nicely and taught me a thing or two along the way. Still loving your humor too! Thank you 😊
Wow!! Intense work experience!! 😮
@@RachaelClag Yeah for a 15 yrs old girl on High School Work experience, I recall my parents feeling concerned about my seeing stuff I may not be ready to see. At one point I recall a skull being held right by us. It was a pretty amazing experience and as a teen girl, I could see how we need to be more careful. In fact, the school I went to had yearly compulsory survival camps. I'd been dropped at the same forest with a group of 4 other girl's when we were just 14, a year before this story broke.. Nothing but a compass, map and minimal camping supplies. We had to hike our way to a meeting point which was 3 day's away. Pretty sure they stopped that school activity after Ivan.
Always love hearing your perspective on things, especially on cases like this. I’d really be interested in hearing you talk about the Richard Chase case, sometime in the future.
U r so cute…r u domesticated?
Hi Dr Grande,
My father actually used to work with Ivan, and one day Ivan brought a gun into work after an altercation with a co worker.
Basically they were sitting around at lunch sharing a table, and the altercation happened and Ivan left.
When he returned, he produced the gun and slammed it down on the table and said something along the lines of 'so lads... what were we talking about?'
A red flag perhaps?
Edit: Dr Grande, would you consider doing a video reviewing the Anita Cobby murder which occurred here in Western Sydney? My uncle got into a fist fight with the men responsible (before they committed the crime) after they tried to steal something from my uncle's shop.
Yes, he should make a video about Anita Cobby, that would be interesting.
oh gosh poor poor Anita Cobby. What a lovely woman , her family too. She suffered perhaps the most gruesome gang rape murder ever committed in Australia, I think they had to close the courtroom because of the horrendous details. The murderers were offthecharts cruel, and had had a shockingly abusive upbringing as I recall. To be honest, I dont know that I could listen to Dr Grande or anyone repeat what actually happened to her.
Hello there, did you ever see the expose that Jana Wendt did about the case. I think it was on the abc, she got cancelled not long after. From memory, it was the back story of how the Murphy boys became the way they were.
@ac24-45 I agree. When it happened and some DJ read the autopsy report on air, I vomited. It was the most gruesome, distressing and violent thing I have ever heard. I will never listen to a word about her again. The poor girl, her husband and parents. It should be left alone.
@@1915FadedBelly yeah it was John Laws that leaked the autopsy report.
There's a book about the case too, it's a great read but very graphic. I'm not squeamish by any means and I remember at one point I had to put it down and take a break when they described what injuries she had.
I was a backpacker in the late 80s in Sydney and I worked in the police department. It was only years later when I read about Milat. The British newspapers never really talked about the killing, as it was quite US and Europe focussed. Australia was always seen as a friendly place for backpackers. Even the newspapers in the australia were fluffy and I don't remember a single article about a serial killer being loose. Even working in the department no one warned me about him and people knew I was a backpacker. Fortunately in my hostel I never took lifts with strangers at the hotel, but I could easily have done so, as we were so naive with how people can actually be. When I backpacked I took taxis sometimes but now I don't take any taxis with men in it so I often take my bike out instead where I CAN escape, rather than be cooped up with a man in a locked car. I am quite angry that the Australians put tourism first and the media have misled tourists. I am now much more aware of what it is like over there with the help of the internet.
It was more than 6 months from the time they discovered a serial killer was on the loose to the time of his arrest. We were bombarded with media reports in Sydney. The city was hypervigilant with security. It was such a relief when he was finally arrested.
Hi Dr Todd Grande, thank you for talking about this case.. Always love your videos..I am from Melbourne Australia, one of my family member ( niece ) got married and moved to NSW.. Sharon ( niece ) and her husband brought 40 acres right next door to the forest where lvan Milat killed those backpackers… One of Ivan’s brothers Boris was a builder, who built my niece and husband’s house.. My niece also met Ivan Milat as her husband worked on the roads too.. My niece did say to me Ivan Milat wasn’t a nice person at all, even his brother Boris( the builder ) didn’t like him, as he did have a affair ( Ivan ) with Boris’s wife behind Boris’s back, as well had a daughter with lvan..So awful, and this was all before anyone knew about Ivan Milat killing those backpackers….Take care Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺.
Marilyn (Boris's wife) was very smitten with Ivan, she loved Ivan more than Boris but Boris took care of her and their children (one girl was Ivan's daughter whom Boris looked after as his own), Boris was always very jealous of Marilyn's love for Ivan but Ivan wouldn't marry Marilyn.
I once had a work colleague who was a prison guard who served where Milat was incarcerated; he had been working in the same section. He told me Ivan Milat -- even at old age/ senior-citizen -- possessed unbelievable physical strength for his age/ size/ poor health. The fictional character "Mike Ehrmantraut" comes to mind.
That’s weird, but fictional Mike looks pretty much like my dad. I was even sad when he “passed away” 😟 // can say nothing good about Milat though
"Maybe he wanted to point his finger at them"... bahaha - you crack me up Dr Grande. Thanks for covering this case.
Lol you are too funny
I love your dry humor
Working for the Department of transport meant he worked on the roads all over NSW and Queensland. He worked on the highways along the coast and had opportunity to keep doing what he did. he was a terrible man. Even at his death he refused to tell the truth. He belonged in the hell Im sure he went to.
The plot thickens, and after some serious speculation inquiries is being made as to the fate of the Christmas lights.🌵
Your pronunciation of Milat is the only time I've ever heard it said as I had assumed it should be! Here, we all call him Milat with a heavy emphasis on the end '-att'
Ive been waiting for this one
Oh my, I was watching an* old video that took me to the edge... and back xD
and now a fresh one this must be my lucky day.
The picture of Milat smiling at 4:20 is uncannily and frighteningly similar to the smiling photo of Jon Venables (killer of James Bulger) - something like a rat-faced rictus of pure evil
Ohhhhhh my god ! I was just speaking to a friend a few weeks ago about Ivan , he lived & worked in the same area as me for a while when I was in my late teens & he was checking me out a lot , & I just thought he was a weirdo like many others lol , he sat eating his lunch while he watched me working one time & I shrugged it off . I just thought he was a bit of a pervert . Thankfully Dr Grande is rocking a truly awesome shirt to take my mind off the memories of Ivan 👀
That lvan Milat was only interested in backpackers, because their families were all overseas, easy to say they got lost…
@@tinafoster8665 he really does ! 😊
@@aperfectplace to murder yes , but he had an eye for the ladies & was a creep
@@sweetandmagical yes I agree, such a creep…
@@aperfectplace don't be so sure! It is very possible that it was because the backpackers were from overseas that they were the cases concentrated on by police! I wouldn't be at all surprised if Milat actually killed locals as well but the police at the time would not have been interested, especially if the missing had any criminal record, however minor!! It was just the culture of cops back then.
If not for Paul Onions Milat may never have been caught!
I've been waiting for this video ☺️
Many thanks from Sydney, Dr Grande
Dr Grande you never disappoint with great content, thank you.
Whenever I drive near Belanglo (pronounced Be-lang-low) state forest I feel horrible for those poor people. The terror and pain they felt...gut wrenching. The police were extremely slack. I am glad that Mr Onions was able to escape! And what a brave man to come back to testify.
I am glad no one has to worry about this man, or his sister for that matter, again!
*Milat ( MiLAT, as in bat). I know it's not really important how his name is pronounced but I hate to hear his name given a sound that is nicer than it is. Silly I know but important to me 🙄
Mood
Hi Dr Grande, I’ve been bingeing on your videos today and I just wanted to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for the way you present these cases. My friend’s brother was one of these victims murdered by Milat. I appreciate how you bring us the information without sensationalising things. I respect the way you retain the victims’ dignities and treat your viewers as if we actually possess brains. I listen closely for your trademark witticisms, and I really appreciate them, in every video, you are always hilarious without being inappropriate. Thank you, and I wish you a very very happy New Year from Australia.🤗
Oh I asked for this one - so glad you got around to it!
Dr Grande. So sincere and earnest. And such a wicked wit.
Oh man finally Ivan Milat. Gonna save this one to watch later. Scary stuff...😰
LOVE your red shirt, Dr. Grande!!
The Pied Piper of Tucson would be an interesting analysis.
Okay Dr. Grande 🤙 * I want to make a trequel where Wolf creek has land willed to him in America * forgot they made a tv season. Still hoping you will do Jesse from Sinner* Christine the car would also be a good one
Heyyy 😉
Gorgeous shirt, Dr Grande! Very festive. 🎄
“…river of missing revenue”🤣🤣Wonderful!🥰
Really enjoyed the names you thought of for the hiking trails.
Now stop that. I was into deep thought about murderers and serial killers when you made me laugh. Now my husband who was passing by, thinks murder makes me laugh. He will probably sleep with one eye open tonight.
What a great description of a nightmare!!! 👍💕
Very interesting analysis. Wonderful sense of humour 😃
Dr Grande as a retired Federal LEO it’s so refreshing to see ur expertise
"The river of missing revenue" 🤣 My wife didn't know what I was listening to and just burst out laughing!
Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande! I recall hearing about this case. He killed so many people. I'm happy that he got the welcome to prison that he got! Well deserved! TFS :)
Congratulations on your book Dr Grande. It sounds awesome. I have it in my Amazon cart ready to order as soon as it’s back in stock. 😊
Thank you for this video, Dr Grande. I found your analysis of Ivan Milat very interesting. 🙋♀️🇦🇺
The prison "welcoming committee". 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
I'd forgotten i even suggested this😂 Thanks Dr. Grande😎
Dr G’s dry sense of humor gets me every time!
Can’t wait to see the upcoming, distressed/beleaguered “Prison Welcome Committee” shirt design.
TY Dr Grande, a viewer from Sydney, Australia
Thanks, Doc.
Hi Dr. Grande,❤️ I really enjoy these videos about Australia, and yes, your red shirt looks good!😘 I'm ordering your book because I know you are an excellent writer👌.....Have a great weekend
Love the festive red shirt!
My copy of Harm Reduction just arrived!!!!! 😃
Interesting analysis, Dr.Grande. Love the red shirt. ❤❤
But I have one question: Did he ever get the PlayStation? I'm having a difficult time getting a PS5, myself. Thanks Dr. 😁
Great video! Great shirt!
New video let's gooooo