Mountain Lion Homicide? | Christopher Whiteley Case Analysis
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This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Christopher Allen Whiteley?
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I'm not diagnosing a floating mountain lion, merely speculating that criminally minded floating mountain lions are always a possibility 😄
hahahaha!
😄I am laughing way too much while reading these comments. After all, a young man was killed.
Lol!
A swab of the throat wound would have probably given them the DNA of whatever "bit" him. My grandson was attacked by a Rottweiler and even though there was only one definitive bite mark, there were scratches and bruises all over because humans will fight back when being attacked. (My grandson is fine now.) I don't believe for a second a mountain lion attacked the victim and didn't leave a single other mark on him. This was a predator of the human variety. IMHO.
We really need to know the nature of the wound to make a judgement. It would be difficult to mimic a bite wound from any animal with an edged weapon. Knives and machetes cut; animal teeth and claw rend. The wounds are entirely different. We don't know the wound so it's pointless speculating.
the human variety. cool another anonymous group openning.
1. DNA would very likely be contaminated either by the victim's blood/tissues or the environment. Speaking for my own dept (not near TX) we'd probably swabbed any area near the "bite" that looks "clean" but we wouldn't hold our breath for uncontaminated sample.
2. Every video gives the impression the victim's throat was latched onto and ripped out.
Problem is there'd be blood spraying all around the area, called arterial spurts.
The same would've happened if he'd been slashed with a knife. We had multiple, like more than a couple, knife homicides with "south of the border types". In any eyeblink they can slit your throat from ear to ear or past the ears. This will appear like something ripped a big chunk from the throat.
On the lack of foot/paw/hoof prints its most likely either weather (wind + water) may have made tracks unreadable. OR one scenario I've seen WAY too often is Looky-Loo deputies and officers, even firefighters have wiped any trace of tread or tracks.
Here's how it narrows down from my experienced instincts and experience. Victim was a methhead and was in prison for it. He got out and he's still doing meth. Meth costs money. Meth needs a seller who wants cash for the product he gave you. If you don't cough up the money, your life is hanging by a thin string. Also, being MUCH closer to the Mexican border the sellers are thicker and so are the assassins who work very cheap. $5 can get you a murder of some local punk in northern Mexico, probably cost more in the US.
My cat (Rusty) doesn't have an alibi for the time period.He likes to roam and hates tweakers. He was acting unusual after the body was found.
I frequently run 🏃♀️ in a remote area where Mountain Lion sightings are not uncommon. I’ve never heard of anyone being attacked by one, but on numerous occasions while running I’ve been overwhelmed with the odd sensation that I’m being watched….
Ditto! Lol! Well, I don't run but hike and I always have a few dogs and a burro or 2. I did see one once chasing after a herd of deer and omg it was just a flash sighting, moving so fast I barely caught a glimpse and over the hill he or she went and was gone!
... you are...😳
Pay attention to those moments and act like you're bigger and stronger than you actually are. It will help prevent an ambush.
I checked with Giorgio Tsoukalos. He's not saying it was aliens watching you, but it was aliens.
According to the stats that Dr Grande was giving, sounds like that sensation was probably a human watching you.
The stalker deer-dog conspiracy... and this is why Dr Grande's fans love his humour.May you have a great day Dr Grande and fellow subscribers 🌷
He's a gem isn't he ? 😃
I know I had to replay it 8:25 to verify I heard him right 😂
I literally lol'd at this. 🤣
A stalker deer that likes watching people get murdered, LOL ! Be sure you bathroom curtains are closed and the door is locked so the deer can't see and the dog can't enter when you are taking a bath.
I think you're correct about the reason given for cause of death by the authorities. It was during the height of the COVID pandemic, Christopher's was not a death of a "model citizen" that the media likes to pick up on (so no pressure there to find the legit killer), and law enforcement probably just wanted to close the books on it by blaming a wild animal. Another great analysis, Dr. Grande.
He probably was also included as a Covid death.
Well it could have been a chupacabra
But we’ll never know without the dna 🧬
Possibly a time traveling Karloff type mummy
We’ll never know
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🤔 ...You make a good point there 3D
A decedent of this character isn't missed, just no longer a bother. Cops seem be lackadaisical, or employ kangaroo court, with people, we as a culture don't value; in example, street hookers and petty criminals. Unfortunately hookers rarely injure anyone, other than their customers, while petty criminals, like mold, create misery in lots of little places.
Boggles the mind that the authorities can claim it was a mountain lion with a straight face. They might as well have claimed aliens or Bigfoot killed him, as those theories have an equal likelihood of being true as a mountain lion. Maybe even less as there seems to be more sightings of aliens/spaceships than mountain lions in the region.
"A mountain lion did it" is pretty much everyone's go-to excuse when bad things happen.
Living in New Zealand,I can tell you in all honesty that "the mountain lion did it" won't work here, and our native kiwi bird or kea is simply is not up to the task 🙂
He was cleaning the lion and it went off by accident. Obvious really
@@leonievanheerden7090 That’s all very well, but I’ve heard some wild stories about the New Zealand man-eating kakapo. They are dangerous and vicious when cornered! 🦜
Australia = got taken by a crocodile or shark.
@@jena.alexia Florida- Got eaten by gators
You would think that even if the police didn’t want to investigate due to the perpetrator’s status, they would want to catch a murderer who is free in society & able to commit more crimes if not murders.
Exactly. You don't want a murderer loose in society. Model citizens could be killed in the future.
He smoked meth. No needles required.
You're almost at a million subscribers! Congrats!! VERY WELL DESERVED❣️
I swear I checked his subscriber count less than 2 months ago and it was at like 490k. Catching a wave over the holidays! Nice work doc!
Who cares? He doesn’t think looks are subjective.
Sadly Christopher was seen as an felon who didn’t matter.
Great analysis Dr Grande!!!
Sounds about right. However, it seems to be human nature to take the path of least resistance in a lot of situations, including criminal investigations.
Not only was he seen as a felon, he was a felon. It is hard for a felon to catch a break, rightly or wrongly. Meth in the picture does not help. Still, he deserves an investigation, the same as anyone. Possibly the police were warned off by other powers that be. Not unheard of.
Edited for spelling.
Every human should matter. Whether or not Christopher was viewed redeemable a murder is free.
My favorite part of Dr. Grande's jokes are that he maintains the same delivery
That’s his style. Makes it sooo funny. The first time I heard one, I had to rewind to make sure I had heard right.
For someone who's usually so thorough I'm astonished that Dr Grande didn't cover the possibility that this was the work of a weremountain lion. It would account for the discrepancies I attack pattern as well as lack of local sightings.
Not surprised. You really have to live around lions to be that familiar with them. Dr. Grande referred to lions always suffocating their prey, but that is not true for juvenile lions inexperienced at hunting or even old lions who are not able to hunt anymore. We have them here in Arizona and they are the most active in the month of December and during all winter. The juveniles don't kill people but could attack and leave injuries resulting in a person bleeding to death. I agree with the Fish & Game on this one.
This is about a 2-hour drive from me. I feel so sad for his mother, this being the first anniversary week of his death.
You pronounced Lipan” perfectly, linguistically. Just like a native Texan.
Thank you for this intriguing analysis, Dr. G. ❤️
Thank you for being kind I'm his mother
@@kimberlyspruill2560I’m sorry you lost your son. I can’t imagine and pray I never have to. I hope you are healing.
Well, my medical service dog is a pit mix and is amazing. It’s in how they are raised and treated.
Love this channel so much. Your humor alway makes me laugh. This is something I need while I am on chemo for stomach cancer. It’s nice to be able to smile for a change.
@BackUp-ku5cu sorry but I’m dying and have seizures and things. I feel sorry for you.
As always insightful and the dry humour is the best!!! As I occasionally say, having something like this death happening is as likely as getting hit by lighting,during a shark attack, in your bathtub in a tutu.
Hey Dr Grande, got your book on order for my son, it comes out on 23rd here in Britain, so hoping he'll have it for Christmas. I'm sure it will be amazing with or without floating cats and who knows - maybe the follow up could be mountain liony?😁
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To be fair, you can register as 'having meth in your system' for up to 30+ days after last use, longer perhaps even for habitual users of 10+ years, so practically, without a lot more evidence, it's perhaps unfair to blame narcotics in this case
I love the way you always make jokes straight-faced. It always makes me laugh considerably loud.
I'm his mother not laughing
I want to live in a world where the standard is to describe things as 'non-mountain lion related events' on all medical and police reports...
Lol. 😂
My thinking exactly.
This poor guy was destined for doom. He ran with the wrong crowd and was most likely murdered, but no one cared enough to further investigate.
Great content. Thank you Dr Grande 🌵🌵🌵🌵
Obviously, he was killed by a chupacabra. ...Case closed.
He did run with a bad crowd. Ran with a crowd of mountain lions.
@@sparky6086 That was my first guess.
The mountain lion, dog, and deer were thought to be a rough crowd, but he just ignored all the signs.
It sounds like he probably died the way he lived.
Honestly either way it doesn't sound like it's really any big loss.
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10:02 Also with a dog attack on an adult you'd expect at least one of their limbs to be torn up.
Usually the dog latches onto a leg or forearm, then a lot of people try getting on top of the dog to free the limb and control the dog, but if they mess up the dog gets loose and now they're on the ground where it can get their neck.
Not only that but a loose dog running around that woodsy area would've easily been attacked by a mountain lion. December and winter are lions most active month.
Everyone should be cautious when near woods inhabited by the deadly "stalker deer". 🦌
Yours has definitely become my favorite channel! Thanks for another great video!
Even though this case was so savage, I couldn't help but laugh several times throughout.
The stalker deer....really got me! And the: "....another senseless mountain lion related death." 😂
Thank You, Dr. Grande! This has been very Informative! How Sad for Christopher's Family. Love your sense of humor!
I am not diagnosing anyone in this comment, but…. Actually I am. Dr Grande is brilliant. ☮️💜🌵
This is by far my favorite channel on CZcams:) thank you for the daily uploads.
What a sad story and interesting analysis from Grande … Thank you, as always.
Its horrible when police do this with adults, it is incredibly egregious, when done to a child. Prejudgments, cultural ignorance, name it. Many deaths are unsolved due to the individual policeman's lack of self-awareness...
So,. Dr. Grande has inspired me...
To start a career in home title theft.
"Stealing a title is easier Than stealing a car, and the criminals make more money doing it as well."
Thanks for the advice doc!🙂
Hey Dr Grande. I was wondering if you could cover Samuel Little. Since he has eclipsed Gary Ridgway as the most prolific American serial killer I think that it would be worth discussing him and his psychological profile. Thank you for your time and keep up the great work.
This is th exact case my son, for whom I have bought Dr Grande's book, is hoping Dr G will cover. So, on behalf of Morgan, I second and third Ben's comment.🙏🙏🙏
Can I please be fourth in the list of subscribers requesting Samuel Little, as I had not even heard this name and am shocked, but I do live far away from the U.S. ( N.Z)
What happened to his shirt? Did they find it, or did the 'mountain lion' take it with him?
It was murder, they just didn't want to be bothered investigating it.
He was running didnt have time to grab one I am his mother
he must have cornered a cougar if it was the cause of his death. They rarely if ever attack humans. Another interesting video thanks Grande.
It's pretty rare but I recently watched two separate videos of mountain lions who stalked, attacked and killed people. One of them had a taste for cyclists.
It's not a cougar. I have found deer carcasses that were cougar kills they always s*** on it. It's so nothing else will eat their food and then come back to it later. Nature's way of calling dibs. I don't think a coyote would killed him there too scared of people but it would most definitely feed on him after he was dead or if he was dying. But they don't usually eat the throat they like the parts at the other end. She ever shoot a deer track it all night just to find it the next morning with its privates and a****** eaten out you know the coyotes got to it
I know a cougar, but I am pretty sure she wouldn't kill anyone. She will go for the throat if cornered and, though she does enjoy private parts of others (especially younger males), it's doubtful she would devour them.
@@scottricci5063 no coyotes eat the private parts and buttholes first lol. I don't know why? But during deer season if I shoot a deer and I don't find it that night it sure to have its butt hole and private eaten by Coyotes the next morning. I've never actually seen a cougar make a kill but I have found one of their kills before. They do poop on it. It's crazy cuz when I walk through the woods I know they're there and they know I'm there, they can see me but I can't see them, if they wanted to kill me they could but they are terrified of people. The only time a cougar attack a person for predatory reasons is if it was sick or desperate. They're magnificent creatures and getting to be pretty rare around here. I keep game Trails on my property and only once have i ever got a cougar on one.
@@scottricci5063 just reread your comment a Little Closer lol think we're talking about two different kinds of cougars lol
"But the animal does not have to worry the police won't catch him either" I agree with your analysis Dr. Grande! Brilliant as always! Thank you.
No mention of injuries on his arms. Youd expect arm injuries if he was fighting off a lion. Maybe it was a drug dealer with a vicious dog that killed him. This reminds me of the guy a few years back that got attacked by a moutain lion and he choked it to death with his bare hands. What a badass.
The idea that law enforcement will pin a violent death on wildlife to avoid the imvestigation because the victim isn't a 'model citizen' is just painful.
And I'm sorry your book has no mountain lions - floating or otherwise - that would be a very intriguing read!
Growing up in Atlanta in the '70's, when it was in it's Post Apocalyptic phase, I remember gunfire & subsequently seeing corpses dumped at the side of the road & never hearing or reading about them on the news. When it was one criminal killing another criminal, they may not have even been included in the annual body count, much less been investigated.
Plus, whoever killed him might also kill a model citizen in the future.
Possibly the killer is a relative or friend of the police.
@@sparky6086 That's just horrifying! They were still people! I realize I come from a priviliged and sheltered background in Norway where even violent deaths of livestock or pets get investigated - not on the scale of murder, but still...
Not with out my permission going to be talking to him soon I'm his mother
One problem with our model of government is that we end up with places that do not have good resources or personnel with high levels of investigative experience. This causes a lot of issues and this case seems like it may be one of them.
Dr. Grande, please make a "FLOATING MOUNTAIN LION" mug available in your merch store. :D
About 30 years ago my fathers nephew and his wife (so my cousins) were camping up in the mountains when they were murdered by an escaped mental patient. I kid you not. They never found the patient, they are either dead or still roaming the mountains. This story reminds me of that.
Which country and region was this in?
That’s horrifying.
Sorry to hear that ...
@@meera2531 NH, USA
@@Mellypepper ok thanks...
Dr G, been watching your channel since you were at 20k subs doing CBT roleplays & VBA tutorials. Can't believe how big this community has gotten. Your early vids were what got me into therapy. I'm happy now to just watch for your speculations on what might be happening. Thank you. -Lena
Floating mountain lions and voyeuristic deer oh Dr. Grande your sense of humor just add to our enjoyment. I’d watch anyway because you just break it down so well. Thanks 🙏
Will you ever write about floating mountain lions though? Asking for a friend!
Great video, always informative and interesting . Always a must have addition to my week!!
I have often wondered how many murders aren't fully investigated for a variety of reasons, all of them convenient for the police.
Your titles and thumbnails ALONE, make me look forward to you're presentations! Love from the ethosphere, Dr. Gande, and family.
Lived in the Rockies in Colorado for a few years…tragedy struck when a mountain lion attacked & killed a teenage jogger from the local high school…young cougar exacted the kill from behind then dragged the teen, hiding him for feeding later. A rare horror story of nature. Authorities tracked & killed the mountain lion. There’s a tribute walkway/bridge in honor of Scott Lancaster in the town.
This might just be my favourite video yet; Dr Grande, please don't ever change! I love your dry sense of humour, your insights and your style of delivery. All the best to you.
Hello Dr. Grande❣️ Thank you for the new video & as always perfect timing!!
Hey how you been since the Liandrie case 🤗
@@iwatchbaywatch-notyourmoth1568 ~Heyyy!!! I'm Hangin in there. Hbu boo?!
@@annalisegiovanni7032 I've been really good 😊 youtube wise I've been in some mafia chanl writing circles. I thought this one guy was all serious and just Mafia... Then we had three 2am live chats with Andy Dick throwing them back (rlly throwing them back) when he was staying the weekend at this dudes house for personal reasons.. lol. Then after that they had Robert Miano from Donnie Brasco hanging. It didn't work and some retired msfiosos and i kept the chat going on a blank screen for 2 hours lol
@@annalisegiovanni7032 glad you're still here 🤗😎👍
I was on fence about buying Harm Reduction, but after the mountain lion letdown, I can't justify it 🙊
Could it have been wild hogs? They use tusks to inflict bleeding and are common in Texas
I wondered about that too because he mentioned there were hog prints there. A tusk would leave a massive gash if it got you in the neck.
Do hogs bite your neck? Also wasn't he standing? How would a boar reach his neck?
@@Catlily5 Personally I wasn't thinking of a bite, I was thinking something more along the lines of a struggle that resulted in a tusk goring the neck. Also, I am sure he was standing at one point, but most people when charged by a wild animal, boar, cat, bear, or otherwise will fall over if the animal reaches them when in a full sprint.
@@trace9657 His neck wasn't gored. And he was standing when his neck was injured.
This is maybe the funniest Dr. Grande video so far 😂😂 I spit out my tea when he talked about the stalker deer watching a dog drown its owner in the bathtub
I am his mother not funny at all
I wish you would not praise someone who is making fun of my sons
I live in north Texas, and am very familiar with Hood County. They have a LONG history of bizarre crimes there. Always something down there.
Drug addicts are stereotyped as low competence and low warmth, which according to the BIAS map we will act in passive and active harm over feelings of contempt towards them. I really do believe that the stereotyping towards him because he was an addict equates to his case being unsolved.
All the more reason to not get addicted to drugs.
I love your posts and appreciate your work! 😻
Another great episode. Any plans to make your Harm Reduction book available in audiobook format?
It's already on Audible.
Watched this twice already. It’s interesting. I like relaxing and watching Grande videos.
My grandmothers house title was “stolen”. Someone got a quick deed done… forged her name and even had it signed with someone who was a notary and notarized and was in this big scam with him. He had done it to several other houses in the area. Unbelievable how easy they were able to pull this off. And he was about to sell the house to someone and run off with the money. So anything that can alert someone to that happening is great. Oh and my grandmother had already passed when this happened, so she wasn’t even around to sign the paper but the county didn’t do anything to verify it was a real sale. Luckily they auto send out a letter when a sale is done to the address of the sale and thankfully my dad went and checked the mail before this scam artist could retrieve the letter.
Thank you for sharing this info. Until Dr. Grande’s ad for the title block I had never heard of anything like this. I’ve heard of squatting but never theft of title. I can’t believe this type of thing happens. I bet it goes on so much more often than we would think.
Love ya Dr!!!! Never get tired of your jokes ❤
Thank you, great content. A number of those fatal mountain lion attacks have occurred here in Southern California. Especially on the outskirts of Orange and LA county. They like joggers, day-walkers and bicyclists. I don't think anyone on their way to work has been attacked.
Same in NorCal.
It wasn't a mountain lion.. do some research on the case..
Thank you for your entertaining analysis. I love your creativity and humour in your video stories. I look forward to your posts everyday.
I agree, I don't think it was a cat. It would be one thing if he was a child, but in order for a cougar to kill a grown man it would have to hit him from behind and above to land a critical hit on the back of his neck. It wouldn't attack from the front, and if it did there would be far more, deeper claw wounds.
Love love the way you sneak in that dry humor. Always cracks me up!
Wow that Home Title Lock spot was scarier than a floating mountain lion!.I never considered home title theft. I better look into it!🤠💕
Good stuff Dr Grande..keep on
😂Another senseless mountain lion death😂 Dr. Grande is hysterical!!
I think you are right on Dr. Todd, thanks for being a light 🕯️ in this world.
Love your dry sense of humor!!❤️
Dr Grande's description of the injuries sustained have really put me off the idea of "Death By Cougar"
Many movies show policemen involved themselves in the drug business. Investigations on Chritopher's death could have shown that possibility.
Thanks, Grande. This was an interesting story.
Your sense of humor is priceless!
Love the content. Keep it up!
Dr Grande,
Another good video. Thank you!
Your voice is so soothing! Keep up the good work
Always a pleasure, Doc.
Growing up in Atlanta in the '70's, when it was in it's Post Apocalyptic phase, I remember gunfire & subsequently seeing corpses dumped at the side of the road & never hearing or reading about them in the news. When it was one criminal killing another criminal, they may not have even been included in the annual body count, much less been investigated.
In Chicago it's become sort of popular. Weekend numbers count.
I greatly enjoy all of your analyses!
I am keeping an eye out for the stalking deer. Your cactus with the blue hat is Awesome. Thank you Dr. Grande and Merry Christmas to you and yours 🙋♀️🙏✨🦌
Excellent as always
I’m getting the book soon!
Your dry humor is top tier
"The Mysterious and Fantastical Floating Mountain Lion" 🦁 sounds like a children's book. As soon as I saw the title for this one I knew it would be a goodie. ☺️ Thanks for another great analysis Dr Grande. And I'll be sure to check out your book. 👍
I am his mother gonna check to see if he wrote book gonna have my lawyer check that out
Good afternoon Dr Grande. Thank for the great content you upload daily. Thank you Dr Grande, you are the best.
Did the police or any agency check where the mountain lion went? They declared a man killing mountain lion was on the loose so I hope they looked for it (/sarcasm off).
Maybe the mountain lion got an Uber or Lyft out of there - which seems as likely as the lion attack.
Pit bulls can definitely jump that high - they’re among the top breeds for jumping if not the best. However, blaming any animal without proper investigation is just sloppy police and forensic pathologist work.
The issue with deciding who deserves the pursuit of justice, is that moveable line of worthiness. A slippery slope.
I agree with Dr. Grande, the media and public scrutiny is a driving force in the judicial system.
I can't wait until my copy of your book arrives. It's temporarily out of stock on Amazon. !!Congratulations!!. So I am like a kid waiting for Christmas morning. Great Content Dr. Grande. Thank you.
Why would that excite you and that book is the same story printed by Morgan in the texas monthly in Aug 2021
Good morning, Dr. Grande! How is your day going? Well, I hope! Thank You!
“Speaking of dogs committing homicide…” LMAO 💀
Given his history, it is safer to assume that someone from his past wanted him dead? It could possibly be a bad drug exchange as well. Who knows.
You make my day Dr. Grande. If CZcams ever shut down I would purchase a ticket to your stand-up comedy show. It’s the dry wit that gets me.
LMAO!! Creeper Deer/Dog Bathtub Conspiracy had me almost spitting out my coffee. I always eagerly await the zingers in each video. A long and happy life to you, Dr. Grande.
love your content doctor. Hope you could upload more videos related to Mental Health & Personality of fictional characters (batman, eric cartman, joker, etc) athletes (rodman, maradona, messi, etc) and former presidents / dictators (kennedy, stalin, hitler, etc).
He has one for the jocker , very interesting.
@@Warriorcock6969 lol 😂
@@kat4933 thanks
@@Warriorcock6969 lol
I'm in the process of purchasing a new home and was just about to do some research on some title insurances. Great timing.
Two recurrent themes in your videos, Dr Grande, is that the police is more interested in closing cases than looking for the truth, and that the police is only interested in investigating further if pressured by public opinion. This is very interesting because it goes against most citizens' expectations from the police force. It would be great if you could analyze the psychology of law enforcers, what drives them to choose that line of work, and how the reality of the job may conflict with their idealistic views.
I'm into audio books these days --any idea when you might arrange for that? Also, it would be amazing if you read the book or at least did the part of the counselor... If you are not doing one, I'll just get the paper version as you have a real knack for story telling! For your next book be sure to include the floating mountain lion --I hear they are becoming a "thing". ;-)
It's a book created for reading. Read it.
@@ct0780 Easy now Cowboy... You'll enjoy audio books soon enough. Lol
That's a genius idea! Dr Grande has the most wonderful voice, he is so talented yes absolutely it must happen!👏👏👏💜👏👏👏
Yessss this would be awesome!!!!!
I read it in Dr. G's voice in my head anyway. It was automatic. 😁
Excellent. Excellent, humor.
Interesting story.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
I'm thinking that it was indeed a floating mountain lion with an Atypical attack pattern as it seems the most likley scenario.
Thanks, Doc.
Another great analysis
Sounds like a drug deal gone wrong. 💊🐾. Good facts & stats. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
Love the statistics for perspective.