It's me so I'll write some clever comment here eventually but I'm sleepy cause I been up working on these all night so for right now I'm venting lmao, hope all you guys are doing well and staying safe....Borahae! Edit: Remembered I am not clever so there won't be anything clever here, oh wait I got one: Stay petty my friends.... lol
@@tildatiger I got busy for a day then thought well this is probably good so they don't get tired of seeing my face or better yet tired of hearing my voice
About the "tragic incidents in Kpop last year": yes, many idols killed themsleves last year, Sulli, Cha in Ha, Goo Hara... And even before that, Jonghyun and so many others. The most tragic about that? None of them lived past 28, and they received hate for the most trivial things. Believe it or not, Sulli was hated on because of things ranging from not wearing a bra under her shirt (who cares!), to pictures of her birthday that weren't even offensive and just featured her smiling and hugging friends. V himself lost two friends to suicide, and BTS were close to Jonghyun and attended his funeral.
@@ramizbegic3110 I know one was a model named Lee Ui Soo, I don't remember the other. It might be because it wasn't a famous friend. But yes, it was two friends that V lost. That man has suffered so much (since he also had to mourn his grandma and his grandpa)
i just want to add that bts got a lot of hate domestically for starting out as underdogs from a small company and then becoming a threat to the industry once they started growing despite their lack of industry power/backing (it's similar to the reason they face a lot of resistance from the us industry, in addition to xenophobia). they proved that a genuinely talented group backed by ordinary people rather than an industry can disrupt the entire system of established power, which is scary. it's not just antis and fandoms of other groups shitting on them online - even the media has tried to suppress them or spread damaging rumors about them. it's kind of a known secret that other large entertainment companies played a role in suppressing them using their influence, and it's not unlikely that they helped facilitate one of the more vicious fanwars between another group when antis were pushing a particular malicious career-damaging fabrication. there's a word they refer to themselves as a lot in lyrics, "baepsae" (which is also the title of a bts song) which in english is a bird called a "crow tit." it comes from a korean saying "if a crow tit (tiny bird with short legs) tries to walk like a stork (long legs), it'll break its legs" - i.e. if you try reaching for things outside your means you will hurt yourself, so aspire to what's within your means rather than push beyond that. in a way, it can also be taken as "know your place and be satisfied with it and don't disrupt the status quo trying to be something you're not." so as group from a small company with little resources overtaking big name groups from industry giants and receiving a lot of hate for it, bts has reclaimed the word "baepsae" - you say i'm a short legged bird who's wrong for aspiring to be a stork? that i should give it up before i hurt myself trying to be something bigger than i was meant to be? i'll show you that "baepsae" can overcome that pain and achieve dreams of being something great, and criticize a system where baepsae (disadvantaged people) are expected to be satisfied or else struggle to keep up with storks, who are unfairly advantaged just because of circumstance.
I used to be a multi, but during the fanwars, I left all except Army. I still listen to the groups, but I don't associate with the fandoms. I had never seen anything like that before. I'd been into kpop since 2010, and seen fandoms argue, but this was something else. PS This was the best and clearest explanation for Baepsae that I've seen.
@@pambarab5506 me too, while my taste was beginning to change and groups i used to stan were not my cup my tea anymore. It was what happened in 2016 and 2017 that made me leave all kpop fandoms i was part of (and i left twitter for a while)
That's why Baepsae is a popular BTS song backed strongly by ordinary people called 'ARMY'.. we face these kind of unfairness and criticisms at different stages of our lives and BTS becomes our voice, and we find strength and gain motivation to keep trying even though these struggles in life get us down
@@pambarab5506 i also listen to kpop since 2010. I am just casual listener for many groups. I even only stan BTS since 2017. Even before that, i always saw many backlashs, plagiarism accusation about them. I dont really realize that time because i was not a fan. But now as i am a fan, i realized BTS got so many hates and its must be so tiring for them when many kpop fans and even companies hate and jealous of BTS. When you become ARMY, you gonna realize BTS attacks from others are just on another level. I still not gonna forget tragedy nov 2018 when almost whole kpop fans and even some 'ARMY' hate and try to destroy BTS career. Its was very traumatic experience i have ever have as ARMY. And yes, we all cried when BTS gave speech in MAMA 2018. Its all sterm from knowing BTS thinking to disband and also knowing how bad(tragedy nov 2018) was 2018 for them despite having numerous achievements.
Okay, serious essay incoming, who knows if you'll even read all this lol For me, the reason I don't watch their videos anymore is that I find them hypocritical, which is very clearly shown in the main incident that happened between this channel and ARMY. Basically, the other half of DKDKTV, Danny (the guy in this video is David) was on a podcast with this K-pop journalist called Tamar. Now, Tamar has her own nasty history with BTS and ARMY. She's repeatedly published articles about BTS with facts that are either misleading or outright wrong, including articles that have harmed their career, but she never apologizes or acknowledges what she did and instead acts like a victim being persecuted by "haters." She's not a real journalist in my opinion, because she is way too biased, self-interested and often times her research is shoddy, but sadly that isn't rare in today's media. SO, yeah, already DKDKTV having her on this podcast as a guest to comment on BTS at all wasn't the best choice and had people annoyed. Then they actually had to go and say borderline offensive things about BTS during that podcast and that just poured gasoline on the embers. Tamar, like usual, tried to defend her crap journalism by saying she has to use BTS for clickbait because when it comes to K-pop, they are above and beyond the most popular group (they're the most popular group in the world period) and sometimes the only way for her to talk about what she wants to talk about is to include BTS in the conversation. Now, if it was as innocent as that, it would be annoying yes, but ARMY wouldn't hate her like they do. But like I explained earlier, that isn't all she does. Then her and Danny basically said that BTS has oversaturated the market and are everywhere and as a result people are getting sick of only hearing about them and that it would be nice to see some new faces, aka that other K-pop groups should get a chance to shine. Now, on the surface, sure, that doesn't sound like the worst thing to say, since it's true in a sense, BTS ARE everywhere and yeah, I'm sure some people are sick of them. BUT it's honestly ridiculous when you take a closer look, especially when it comes to the subject of K-pop. Most of K-pop is very curated by companies and corporations. And for years and years, the K-pop scene was specifically lorded over by three companies known as The Big 3, SM Entertainment, YG Entertainment, and JYP Entertainment. And when I say lorded over, I mean it. These three companies had (and to an extent still have) a chokehold over that industry and for the most part, only their groups had any chance of getting popular because these companies had and have to this day, deep ties to broadcast companies and all other types of companies and people in the entertainment industry and media in South Korea. If you piss off these companies they will not hesitate to blacklist your ass and shut you out of the industry and they've even tried it with BTS many times. Now, K-pop tends to have a very high turner over when it comes to groups and how long they stay popular and there's even a term for it, "the seven-year curse" because compared to the hundreds and hundreds of K-pop groups that have debuted over the years, very very few last beyond seven years and even fewer manage to actually stay relevant that long. Nowadays, to be honest, few groups even make it past two or three years because so many groups debut every single year. So in light of this, people in the K-pop industry, including fans, are very used to always seeing new faces and it's a very normal phenomenon for K-pop fans to migrate to new groups after old ones have lost their shine or relevancy. BTS, on the other hand, is a total and complete anti-thesis to this model for many reasons. First of all, they started off with a small company. For many years, Big Hit Entertainment had like 12 employees. For reasons I already explained, it's incredibly difficult for groups from smaller companies to get any kind of foothold in the industry, let alone become even remotely as successful as BTS has become. Second, the fact that BTS just continues to get more and more famous as the years go by is also not normal for a "K-pop" group, because even the most popular K-pop groups in the past always ended up falling off even if they do last longer. They don't continue to rise in respect and popularity, they reach of peak of success, and then tend to drop off rather rapidly over a few years as the members' age and other newer groups come out and replace them and are pushed by these Entertainment companies instead. Third, BTS did all this while also doing music their own way and actually talking about important social issues and just their real lives and feelings in general, when by the time they'd come onto the scene, most K-pop music was very shallow, sanitized and controlled by corporate interests. So, BTS succeeded against all these odds and trust me, plenty of bullshit from this industry that in no way wanted them to succeed. So, for Tamar and Danny to imply that BTS should take a step back and give other groups a chance as if they haven't earned their success a hundred times over, it is absurd. They basically want K-pop to go back to the status quo and how it was before because neither of them actually gives a shit about the people involved in any of these groups, while pretending to care by hiding behind the idea that they just want other groups to be able to have success like BTS has. But in the model they support, the traditional K-pop system, most of the people involved in these K-pop groups don't have the chance to earn true success because they are trapped in the talent meat grinder that is the K-pop industry. If they actually cared about these people, they wouldn't want BTS to take a step back, they would support them and the changes they could and are bringing to the K-pop industry that would allow artists and talent in the K-pop industry to have more artistic and personal freedoms. But like I said, they don't actually care, because they actually thrive off the constant turn-over and controversy. Also, both Danny (and David) and Tamar, whatever their personal opinions and feelings are, make mad money off of BTS. If they really wanted to support other K-pop artists and make them as big as BTS, they should put their money where their mouth is and actually do that, but they can't, because if they did, they would have to sacrifice their profit and clout to do so. And when they are called out on their bullshit, they get incredibly defensive. Danny, for example, said all sorts of horrible and offensive shit on the live chat for that podcast and twitter afterward, cursing out his own subscribers. And like most online personalities, well, let's be real, people in general, when they get rightfully called out, instead of addressing some of the real issues and complaints, they focus on the nastiest comments in order to divert attention and act like they are being unfairly treated and criticized. Rinse, wash, and repeat. So really, for them to talk about their fall out with ARMY, even vaguely, while breaking down this song, is pretty ironic lol It's not like they are totally wrong to bring it up since I'm sure they did receive a lot of unnecessary vitriol during that whole incident, but it's not like they were some innocent fresh roses who did nothing wrong. They deserved to get called out and handled it very poorly. So, in a sense, they reacted to rightful anger with anger full of malice and it all turned to shit, just like what the song talks about. So there, a basic overview of the beef not only between ARMY and DKDKTV but the K-pop industry as a whole lol
So why do BTS get so much hate? The problem is that it comes from numerous different sides and different motives. At first the hate came from the Korean underground hip-hop scene that accused RM and Suga of selling out. Secondly, the K-pop scene in Korea has very toxic elements; fans of the big, established groups basically bullied BTS and ARMY when they started (and unfortunately it’s still going on). Then there is the prejudice in the general public outside of Korea, where BTS are often portrayed as overrated and artificial. Your own idea of BTS was pretty much influenced by that perception when you started reacting to them. Finally, a lot of hate comes from racism, toxic masculinity and sexism (towards the fans).
Reasons why they were (and somehow still are) hated on in Korea: In Korea, background is VERY important. Connection can get you anywhere. But BTS are nobodies that came from a company on the cusp on bankrupcy. They also happen to not have one single member from Seoul (and in Korea, Seoul people tend to look down a bit on you if you are from another region or speak with a heavily accented satoori(dialect). Kind of like city people sometimes look down on people with a southern drawl, in the US). BTS even made a son about it called Paldogangsan. They also never pendered to Korean media, and after being ridiculed one too many times on TV because of their style, appearance and underdog status, they went on to create their own shows. You must also understand that in Asia in eneral, fandoms can get very vicious: BTS, when they started winning awards over their peers from bigger companies, had to face hate from the fandoms of all those big names: it was so f*cking ugly. I was already a fan since 2013 and let me tell you: we experienced some of the hardest times of our lives back then. Nowadays, because they made it on their own, Korean media are doing everything in their power to have them back on their show, but BTS won't forget easily what they went through because of them. Jut recently, JTBC tried to stir up trouble for BTS and their company by illegaly infiltrating their building to dig up dirt on them under the orders of YG(another company). They didn't find anyting so they lied on national TV about BTS being involved in a lawsuit. Check out the articles on line about that. Reasons why BTS are hated on in the West: well it's pretty simple. They are asian, do not sing in english or spanish (the most commonly accepted languages worldwide for music consumption), they are doing too well and threaten America's dominion on the charts (second best selling artist in the world after Drake, surpassing all other american artists). People have a sheep mentality and tend to jump on the Let's-hate-BTS-bandwagon. They are also not taken very seriously in terms of music, and the fact that people refuse to read subtitles and understand is also a factor: how can you know if their music is deep or not if you don't use lyrics, smh, some people I swear... I mean, you have seen the reaction of people when Parasite, a Korean movie, won the best film at the Oscars: even Trump had to chime in and be racist about it.
I love everything about this comment! Well obviously not the BTS hate but I like them not kissing the ass of the gate keepers & out doing them on their own!
That's the reason why I don't check on other group from the big 3. Well I like to check jyp's arthis because this one big agency not as bad as the other 2 (and the fact that Hitman bang was worked there, even the CEO give his support for him when he started bighit)
@@AmariLeone Yeah, there's a lot of social background that goes into Western hate specifically too. As a boy band, they are often automatically dismissed because the stereotype is that only young, teenage girls like boybands. With a typical underlying dismissal of things that women like as important, it's no surprise that if a female says that they like BTS, it's dismissed pretty quickly. Guys don't always like to speak up if they DO like BTS, so I always love those who are loud and proud. Western media also does a lot to push this narrative of BTS being only for young, screaming fangirls. If you watch most coverage of them when fans are present, you won't see many (if any) older fans or male fans, despite them being a huge part of the fandom. Interviews about them are rarely deep or even focused on their music for that matter, although it seems to be getting a bit better. So the narrative that is pushed for Westerners who may have never encountered them before is that they are Asian, don't speak English, are pretty, and just another boybad that only appeals to young girls which must mean that they aren't deep or worth looking at.
Ok if you like petty fights I will suggest the saga of videos: "Karma is an ARMY" Basically, it's got a compilation of 'fanwars' between ARMY and kpop fandoms through the years. With screenshots and everything. It's really funny haha
@@AmariLeone Yes please check that out then you will know people hate on bts for no reason thsy just want to ruined their career for no reason. Like it mention on the songs haters angry at lil things
"He who angers you, controls you." - Elizabeth Kenny I truly believe this. One of the only things I can truly control is how I react to a situation. And I try not to get flustered over something that isn't worth my time or attention. Of course, I have learned this through many instances of life experience, time and trials. But now that I understand that, it has really saved a lot of my energy and not only that it gas given my spirit more positive energy. I hope I can be a light to others if they are going through dark times. I have more compassion and caring for my fellow human beings than ever before. And yes, BTS really brought that to my attention 3 years ago when I discovered them. They planted those seeds of kindness and concern in my mind and the more I thought about their lyrics the more I evaluated my life. They truly are an inspiration.
I saw a clip of you reacting to Bts on twitter and I asked around for who you were and got brought here. It's really hard to find genuine reactors and most of them just do it for the clout but you are truly genuine, you don't sugar coat anything and speak your mind and that is how a real reactor should be. It's been very fun watching fall into the rabbit hole and I can't wait to see your reaction on this!
Funny of David being so petty when he was the one that posted an apology video ( like a booty guru, barefaced, with the fake sadness), he asked for our forgiveness, that he don't agree with Danny and tamarindo, that he had no say in the podcast and all of that... Pathetic, but I don't expect anything else from both of them... Their ( David, Danny, and Tamarindo) problem with army, is that to them, we are the ones preventing the groups from the BIG3 ( that they love so much) to succeed. Because the majority of armys are not kpop fans, we couldn't care less about other groups, what they are doing, etc... And they have this weird notion that armys are obliged to make other groups as successful as BTS. That we have to stop buying BTS music, voting for BTS in award shows, and that we do that for their faves... Because apparently, these groups don't have a fandom. They are always on TT to hate on BTS, but to support their faves, to so much. I had fans of a group that once upon a time was a competition to BTS, say to me that they don't see the point in buying an album, because it's a waste of money, and 2 days later were crying because a group disbanded, like honey you refuse to support the artist because love doesn't pay the bills, but you are going to cry because their career is over? What? In Brazil, in the first half of 2019, we were THRETNEND by kpop CZcamsrs that if we didn't buy tickets to a random boy group concert, then BTS would not come to brazil( one of the CZcamsrs is friends with the owner of the company responsible for this group concert)... I saw,armys on the tl, crying because they believed them, purchased tickets for this concert and when BTS STADIUM concert in Brazil was announced they didn't have money to go... The kpop community hates BTS for being successful because they are elitist. If the group is not from a Big 3 company, then it is not talented enough to succeed. And all 3 f them are fans of BIG3 groups that are nowhere near as famous as BTS. So now you know...
@@AmariLeone tell that to them years of trying to reason with them and still nothing the other day on Twitter I saw a thread about what fandoms want to say to ARMY and it was going on and on about things like how we shouldn't say that BTS paved the way because other groups have made it by their words 'big' in america but we tell them it's not about who did it first but impact on the general public so they get interested enough that they become ARMYs themselves. To kpoppers saying how other groups deserve a chance and we should listen to other groups before voting for BTS randomly for each award they are nominated for and we were like wtf we are ARMY so of course we'll support bts in all awards we won't stop because you think your group deserves a chance if you really think that then vote more promote your groups music but nooo. BTS didn't release anything for about 10 months and nobody did anything so they can't say that their group isn't succeeding because of bts also nobody gave us a chance we did everything we could to bring our boys to the top, we learned the ins and out of this industry how to stream how to chart, payola, bundles (which our boys don't use and when we mention it they still get mad at us) everything. But somehow we're still the toxic ones bc we support only bts and call out people whether it be a news reporter that said some racist thing about them or a radio host. We don't sit still when we know something isn't right but somehow that makes us toxic it frustrating.
Your face on the thumbnail reminds me of "V" after cleaning his dirty fingers on Jin's sleeve while eating together... like if you know what i'm talking about lol
I just now realise, that so many more youtube reactors need to look up, what the lyrics mean and how deep they go. The admiration for these boys goes up 100%, when you really get the message. I mean... they are 20 year olds, who spend almost half of their life living with the same people (the BTS members) and they still know more about emotions and their value than many of the "grown ups". I GO UGH!!!
I'm back lol I wanted to say something else as well, but I didn't want to add onto my monster of a comment from before. But what David said at the end of the video about using anger to do something constructive and revolutionary triggered me, since like you so astutely concluded, he basically tried to use the video and song to scold ARMY. Yes, like any fandom or group on the internet, the ARMY has a lot of toxic individuals who do dumb shit and are just overall unproductive and negative. However, as a whole, the ARMY is actually a really revolutionary group of people in my opinion. We span all ages, races, and ethnicities and for the most part, are a very welcoming and inclusive community. There has never been a fandom like us I don't think. One of the major reasons BTS succeeded despite all the crazy odds they were up against is because of ARMY. When BTS didn't have support from anyone else and in fact had active opposition, their fans were there to provide that support and help them push through it all. I want to give you some examples. Okay, when BTS was first starting out, they had very little money and were the subject of ridicule from many other K-pop fandoms and just people online in general, who would make fun of their looks and things like their clothes. So what did ARMY do? They straight up bought BTS designer clothes so that ppl wouldn't have an opportunity to shit on them for that. Another example would be when BTS started to get big Stateside. Now, in the beginning, and to this very day, BTS and US radio has a rocky relationship because of things like xenophobia, racism, payola etc. So back in the day, ARMY organized multiple groups across many different states in order to constantly call into radio stations and request BTS to be played on the radio, as well as constantly voting for their songs to get played and having to put up with rude radio people who would make fun of BTS or hang up on us, all the while we would send flowers and thank you cards to any radio hosts that did play their music. Those are only two things, but over the years, ARMY has done whatever we needed to do in order to make BTS succeed and fought whoever we needed to fight, which in itself is a revolutionary thing to do because, by all usual metrics, BTS should not be as famous as they are in South Korea, let alone the entire world. Who would have ever thought the biggest musical group in the world would be seven Korean guys? Let alone seven Korean guys who stand for what BTS stands for and make the kind of meaningful music they make. Of course, the reason ARMY rides so hard for BTS is that they proved time and again they deserve that kind of loyalty and support. Another thing the ARMY is known for is charity. ARMY as a whole has not only participated in but been the instigators of so much charity over the years and donated a lot of, money, time and goods to various causes. We even have a large fanbase called OneInAnARMY that is exclusively about doing charity. One infamous case was when Star Wars was doing this charity campaign on twitter to raise money, the cap being a million dollars. The campaign was supposed to take place over one month I think, but ARMY found out about it and we used the hashtag so much in order to help that we literally raised that million dollars in one single day lol ARMY is also known for bringing attention to and calling out corruption in the entertainment industry since we've had to do that over the years in order to help BTS get through all the constant walls put up against them. Overall, the ARMY is the most educated and organized fandom I've ever seen and we definitely do use our anger to actually accomplish things and fight against injustice.
I am very proud to be part of this fandom and what it stands for. Even though I personally cannot claim to have achieved anything significant with it so far, I am trying to do my part by supporting, voting, correctly informing about BTS and ARMYs and in general spreading their message and positivity.
@Juli juli I totally agree! So many people forget that they are just humans. We don't know them personally and pretending to do so is a bit weird. All we know is what they show us and how they act with each other (which makes them look very likable but we still don't know them personally). Even if they wanted to show their personal lives more to connect with ARMYs I don't think it would be a good idea since everything they do is so strictly monitored by the whole world. If I were them I would be happy about every tiny bit of privacy even if I loved my fans and wanted to share everything with them. It's not only the fans who are watching them it is the whole world judging, evaluating and trying to analyse everything they put out. I often feel bad for them because they can almost never be relaxed (only when they are home I guess and even there I would be scared of ppl breaking into the house - but I guess they have a lot of security) and they can't just do ordinary things or go somewhere without protection like every other person. I just wished people could be their fans while still treating them like humans and respecting their privacy, personal opinions etc. That counts for every celebrity, not only BTS. ARMYs are still one of the best and respectful fandoms I have ever witnessed but there are also many 'fans' (many new ones as well since they became famous worldwide so fast) who are in my opinion not worthy of being called a 'fan'. I guess it is normal for 'celebrities' (I don't like that word) but that doesn't mean it's right.
@Juli juli Thank you! Yeah, that would be a great idea and probably the best thing we can do to start is doing what BTS wants us to do - loving ourselves ^^ From there we can help other people loving themselves and that way we can help reduce useless hate and focus on the bigger problems. This too is just a wish but we can try to make it come true 😊💪
I've seen comments with the explanation about the DKDKTV situation so I'm just gonna say my piece...when I saw the video DANNY did I thought "I'm not even gonna watch that because that journalist is not a favorite of mine", then I saw Danny's tweet about making a specific fandom angry and I thought "whatever his personality is like that" and I saw quotes of him saying how BTS was everywhere and that they should give other groups a chance and I thought "lol not a chance, my dedication has to be earned (like BTS did) and not handed out of pitty" where I drew the line is when I saw his response on the live chat of the video. he was extremely disrespectfull and condescending, the man stoped doing reactions because they were "not a real job and dumb" well a real job requires professionalism and he doesnt have that. honestly I adore david! he seems like a nice guy and I want to support HIM! so I unsubscribed from their DKDKTV channel and I subscribed to his personal channel I watch explanations for BTS that he is in... I don't care that he used BTS's song to throw shade because is not intended for me I understand his frustration when (let's be honest) immature BTS fans won't let go of what happened. it's been a while if you can't forgive nor forget just don't watch their content.
exactly. Thank you for this comment! I like David too. I am picky about what I watch on their channel, but I'm picky with all the channels. That's why I don't get bent when a new reactor suddenly posts a video in the k-pop realm. I've seen now 3 baby ARMY reactors got hate just for watching someone else's music. Sheesh. It says right in the title or they show it right in the thumbnail... it ain't BTS. That's usually my que to say, do I really want to watch this video? Usually it's no. And then I just wait for their next video to see if it is BTS related. If I'm in the mood for something outside of BTS I will click on it. I only want to watch things that I know I might like and enjoy. Thank you for your comment. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one picking what they watch.
So if anyone's hating on you for no reason, send them a link to BTS UGH: -BTS will get views on the song -haters will get beautifully roasted (some may even enjoy the song and become a fan lol) -you will save time and effort dealing with haters 😂
@@AmariLeone Actually there are some people from other fandoms who claim to be ARMY just to spread hate and to prove their ARMY is toxic agenda. Also every fandom has some bad apples.. Any real ARMY won't attack anyone unless they attack BTS & ARMY first..
@@ushreebakshi8818 Please don't put the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Armys are no angels fallen from heaven and, like you said, there're bad apples in any fandom, meaning in ours too. We should better acknowledge that instead of pulling a "it was an anti" or "that's not a true army then" and shush it away.
So in the amount of time I’ve been an Army (which actually isn’t super long, but a decent amount of time) I never understood why people hate on BTS. Even when I was oblivious to bts, I didn’t hate them, I was just indifferent. People nowadays can be very malicious for no good reason if they feel threatened and will twist stories to support their claims. Also, many uneducated people assume BTS is “manufactured” do to the false stigmas around the industry. Also, if you want some real tea, I would recommend reacting to the B-Free incident and then listening to the rap-line’s 4 cyphers cause damn, those hit hard😂
Yeah see that's how I was, before I became a fan boy of them (last week lmao) I just knew of their existence but had no info on them & therefore had no opinion hence I made a video to get more info to form an opinion. I feel like we live in a society of people having opinions that are way too strong all off of info that is inadequate.
So basically, DKDKTV gained a big following and army’s trust by doing these explained videos and then kind of messed it all up. They did a podcast with a journalist who spread false rumours about BTS that could have seriously impacted their career (they got a lot of hate for that false rumour) and she’s well known as a BTS hater on twt. During that podcast they started shading armys and BTS, saying stuff like BTS needs to stop releasing music because it’s time for other groups to get the spotlight, but then they were like ‘maybe not’ because they get clout by covering things about BTS. After that armys felt betrayed and got angry with the other guy, this guy then started apologizing for his friend, but the the other dude was already clapping back and hardcore insulting armys. Then they started losing a looot of subs and apologized again (I think)... anyways. I personally kind of like their explained videos, but I cannot support two faced people ✌🏻 no hate tho, it’s not worth it
Yeah, I kind of feel bad for David as well. Nobody’s perfect, and he could’ve handled it better, but at least he apologized and didn’t go around insulting their own subscribers...
Katie Campbell yeah, as I’ve mentioned he really could have done better, in the apology he was like ‘I’m so sorry, I don’t agree with what was said’ but then he went and defended Danny and said he was partially right? I can’t remember all of it, but I think he was just trying to clean up the mess and keep his friend at the same time
ppl got mad at dkdk because they repeatedly shaded and/or invalidated bts' success, also shaded army before and collabed on a podcast with an american 'journalist' who is known to publicly shade bts and army as well. they even attempted apology and then did it again so yeah 🤷 edit: that's not to say their explanation videos aren't good, they are, it's just that some shit they say tends to overshadow that. edit 2: to be totally honest with you, i haven't watched this specific explanation vid from them until your reaction and i REALLY don't know how to feel about the fact that he attempted to use bts' song against their haters to 'clap back' at people who called him and danny out for shading bts and army. that's like... nah dude.
Alis From Wonderland It’s actually Danny that does that repeatedly , David is an ARMY himself and defends BTS and their success and impact quite a lot.
Poor David has to go through all the hate when Danny is the actual one who keep messing it up. And they keep apologising for things every 2 weeks or so and it's got to the point it's annoying like those other youtubers. So yeah that's why. Also I hated the fact that he used the boys' song to their benefit when they are those haters. It's funny!
@@AmariLeone They keep apologising every two weeks like the other fake youtubers and it got to the point where I stopped watching them. Then I heard how one of them said things about their success and how the boys are getting boring now and should let other groups take their place. That was very disrespectful. Even though this guy is an army and has to take all the burn for his partner, he doesn't stop him either. It's actually so rude to use BTS' song for their benefit and act all mighty when they are actually talking about the haters which is they themselves.
Ahh, if you like pettiness you should definitely react to the cyphers. there are 4 parts. And I think you will also like the karma is an army series by shookga. This also has 4 parts
oh just a heads up if you haven't heard, they're doing a free online concert on the 18th and 19th at 12pm kst! it's going to be streaming on bangtantv, and it should be pretty amazing.
7:10 so about that, it's always been jealousy with a bit of fear and that was bcs even when BTS were tiny and "powerless" they were a threat, they shine since debut, they've always had something special about them, and all those big companies saw it. BTS was a tiger cub in a room full of full-grown cows, and as cute and small as they were, the big companies could already see the carnivorous predator they would grow to be. They knew this tiny, rookie group was a threat to their big, powerful groups.
so about the DKDKTV issue. I believe it was last year but honestly time blurs for me, but dkdktv did a podcast with a journalist that started a rumour about BTS that could have truly damaged them and impacted their career, the journalist also shaded BTS a hell lot through twitter and could never take ARMYs clapping back and could never own up for the sht they said, so in the podcast they said sht like how BTS should stop releasing music to let other groups shine bcs it was their time now, though they backtracked bcs they made more content out of BTS than other groups, so, ARMY clappedback and tho David apologized, Danny got really heated and started telling armys we were "pc police", "btches", "Fck you", etc etc. I unsubscribed, I do still watch some videos, but I can't fully support two-faced people.
Well DKDKTV are cancelled by many kpop fandoms. Armys cancelled them because they tried twisting so many of BTS narrative. For example, in one of the video they said "people are exhausted that bts are getting so much exposure and that other idols/groups should get a chance" in short they were indirectly hinting that BTS should stepback and give others a chance (as if it's in BTS' hands). They also dragged BTS' bodyguards for doing their job of protecting BTS and you may ask why? 'Cause they couldn't meet BTS lol. Like this they've dragged Blackpink and other K-pop idols too that's why many people are mad at them but regardless of that I have to say their explanation videos are the best so please don't give up and keep reacting to their explanation videos
In a live stream, Dkdktv took a shot at BTS with the help of a "journalist" who started a malicious rumor about them and when ARMY responded, his colleague started to insult us(Saying stuff, like snowfkakes, PC police,F...you.) The one in this video got scared because they were loosing subscribers and apologized for his partner behavior. He's playing now but wasn't that day. Here's a quick recap czcams.com/video/yd_urLf1SyI/video.html
what danny did was really unprofessional I can understand where he came from being attacked by so many armys but at the same time, he shouldn't have said those things it just made everything worse for himself. poor david
Can you react to 'Baepsae' and 'Spine Breaker' by BTS? Both songs have great social commentary and we have an explanation video for both the songs by DKDKTV. I'm sure you'll love the songs.
When he reference the deaths(suicides) that happen that year, I actually cried. Because Sulli (Fx) & Goo Hara (KARA) hit me hard when they happened. I knew them as singers and actors. I hated/HATE comments before this but because of them I was so angry at trolls who have nothing better to do than destroy peoples self esteem. When Sulli happened I had just re watched Beautiful You the week before.
It was so much fun again :D I love the little community you already gathered ;) I can't wait until you start reacting to their live performances because they are LIT
@@AmariLeone I get you, I think that's the way to go. When you already know what the song is about it's easier to enjoy the visuals and live vocals and you will see the differences between recorded and live version. There is a reason we say they are even better live. THE ADLIBS *sigh* ... well we all know they eat the CD's for breakfast, dinner and lunch x) but when they start to change notes or switch up who sings which part and so on...GOOSEBUMPS I swear :D
Although I didn't follow the drama too much since i wasn't subscribed to their channel. I think that guy's friend said that he's too tired of seeing bts succeeding that much and that they need to step down and have new faces pop up. Which is smth we've been hearing since 2016 and it doesn't make sense because 1-we are not really blocking anyone from succeeding. We are not trending hate tags nor making petitions to the government to get other groups to disband (which is stuff that happened to bts multiple times already) those groups just need to release good music and have fans who support them and they'll succeed 2-it's hypocritical for them to say that when they make huge profits off of bts's name, they could easily just stop talking about them and promote the other groups they want to see 3-no one had a problem when the industry was literally under the control of the big 3 (the once most powerful companies in the kpop industry)for example: no one had any problems seeing only big 3 winning all the awards for years. But then bts becames the first not from the first 3 to win a big award and by their third award people already started complaining that they are creating a monopoly on the industry and are ruining it for other groups when in fact, the flux of kpop groups entering the us market after bts is proof that bts managed to break the doors to the west and provide way more opportunities to kpop groups than just an already way too oversaturated korean or japanese market Please excuse my english if I made mistakes it's not my first language
I'm not sure if it lets you know about this but my youtube deems you as a "top commenter" which means you're of the people who's received one of the highest number of hearts from me so that should tell you how i feel about you lol
Looove the enthusiasm! You are so funny 😆 Thank you for taking the time to dig into the phenomenon that is BTS. I don’t think you’re getting cancelled any time soon; we’re not a rabid fandom, but we are incredibly protective, it is true. The one thing in this fandom I can’t condone is the solos/mantis/delulus who forget their place as fans and shove their fantasies down other people’s throats... but then again I don’t call them ARMYs... The loss of trust is the biggest hurt, and there has been (and still happens) quite a few occasions. It does make us weary. But unless you say something offensive regarding the boys, I’ll keep enjoying watching your journey into the rabbit hole; reminds me too much of my own🤣 보라해🤟🏻💜🤟🏻Can’t wait for the next video
I enjoy their explained videos. And I enjoy your reaction as well! I just find it hilarious that they wanted other groups to gain spotlight but bts is the main group they make explained videos for. To be honest not a lot of other kpop artists have this kind of content to talk about and that’s just the truth. No shade, just stating a fact. People do take it too far and don’t know where to put their negative energy... tragic. Anyways it’s fun seeing you fall in love with the rapline, I knew it was only a matter of time!
*unless you're Bakugo, but he's got a whole 'nother problems* lmaoooo I've been watching your journey down this rabbit hole since the first BTS reaction video and I've been enjoying your reaction a lot! it's just that you've mentioned Bakugo so I can't help myself from commenting because that cracked me up. thanks for sharing your thoughts on their music! it's always great to see reactions like yours 💜
@@AmariLeone ikr? his character development is one of the best in bnha and i love it! still rough around the edges, but he's calmer than his first appearance in the show.
Namjoon said with Mic Drop it’s be the last time he addressed the haters directly. He’s kept his words, since after that we’ve gotten Tear, which has nothing to do with haters, and now UGH that isn’t really at the haters, but at anger.
Glad you got to know the song better with the explanation behind the lyrics for Ugh. You’re funny too lol. Just a side thought, please don’t let toxic people define 30+ million fans. I’m sure you know this, but it’s not unlike a handful of people from a certain ethnic group act/behave a certain way do not define a whole race. At least for me, I’m not here for unnecessary hate and drama. I’m here for the love of enjoying BTS and music together!
I also mentioned bakugo, don't worry ya boy is defintely still weebing but yasss lol Zoey 101 doesn't even match the other 2 I was gonna say 90210 but I was like fuck that Zoey need some love!!!!
I actually used to be a big supporter of their channel, and at that time the people who were following them we’re very like close knit (and many of us are still really close friends) even with Danny and David but there were just some things that i couldn’t support (like a three strikes your out kinda thing and it wasn’t about fandom stuff cause I’m sure ppl told you about that as well lol) So while I love dkdktvs explained series and some other vids I had to kinda quietly stop supporting them personally. But yeah ppl put way too much effort into hating rather than just moving on with their life. I really don’t understand how you get hate ?? Who do I need to talk to fr 😠
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Dkdktv do have some informative explanation videos and army’s really liked them and supported them, they grew their channel with the help of us and the bts content they’ve made, but some time ago they decided they want to give a platform to a journalist who spread nasty things about bts and we were really disappointed about the things they’ve said in that podcast. We really supposed them and when they started agreeing with that bts hater we felt kinda betrayed. We noticed that he kept saying that we’re hateful towards them “with no reason” and that our anger is wasted but we did have a reason, and a pretty good one, you can’t say the things they did about something we care so much, about something that basically gives you money without receiving backlash.
a video i really want to suggest is bts’ contribution to music! it’s made by xceleste (the same one who made bts from nobodies to legends) and it showcases not only how the members contribution to their music production and writing but also how they contribute to music as a whole with their songs. i think you would really enjoy the video and hopefully learn some new information about bts 💛 keep up the absolutely amazing reactions!
Honestly I don't think there's one specifc reason fro the hate BTS recieves, but just living ur life in general can bring haters. Idk exactly why they feel so strongly about a boy group but ur right. -quite a bit of the hate is from jealous people that can't stand seeing BTS gaining global success. -but sometimes there's no real reason to it, some ppl just have shit going on in their lives and they feel the need to tear others down to feel superior. -and sadly, a big portion of the hate we're seeing towards BTS now is a result of ignorance, racism, and the ethnocentric ideas of America and other parts of the world. If you grow up in America, and you've lived your life learning about American culture, and history, there's a high possiblity that when you directly experience other cultures that seem unfamiliar, the first reaction is usually negative. i say that bc 5 years ago i used to criticize my friend for being into BTS and i just remember being extremely confused by the idea of K-pop and i refused to listen to it because i was'nt used to it so i thought "it must be bad" and over the summer I became a hardcore ARMY and i still regret that i ever made fun of them. I just remember how happy my friends and I would get when BTS got played on the radio. And then all of a sudden they were doing more interviews and coming to America and we were so happy they were getting recognition. And then they were on live TV and selling out arenas and I seriously am so proud of how far they've come. They deserve every amount of success that they have, and I believe that BTS has the talent to become a household name. Where everybody knows who they are, and when they finally get equal representation for their achievements.
I just found your channel last night and have binged all of your BTS content!!! I hope more people find you soon, you are one of the most insightful reactors I have come across, you deserve so many more subs 💜
dkdktv deserved ARMYs anger. but others have already explained. We and BTS constantly get used and then trashed and sometimes theres a limit as to how much you can take of that. Early in BTSs career, ARMYS lay down and took what people threw at them and chanelled their anger into BTS's sucess...now the fandom is bigger and we can fight back. Kpoppies dont like that at all. BTS went from someones "neighbourhood drum" to the group with the most supportive and pasionate and defensive fandom. Make it Right MV and the words from the boys have constantly thanked us for that. As we say BTS and ARMY only have each other.
I both like your videos and I like the people that comment. I have been following BTS for awhile and watch DKDKTV but didn't see that podcast. Thank you all for the info.
The people who Ive been around who hate BTS, don't know anything about them. Before I liked BTS, I was around the people who disliked them, most of the people just insulted them by calling them "gay pop". Others hated them because of their 'crazy' fans... But all the fandoms have creepy people in them... So idk what they're on about. If they hate the fandom they can still like them and their music. I think they just want to hate them for no reason cause they don't understand how they are so big and don't want them to be. 😔 These are just about the haters which I've been around though, there's haters that do way worse and are racist, but I don't pay attention to that.
Yessss, with the internet the hate you get is multiplied and you get it all the time, especially when you are famous. I hate it when people diminish pain just because they are public figures or because they are rich.
All that happened is that one of the people on this channel dared to say that it would be nice to see other K-Pop acts come to the forefront because all you hear about is BTS. That's ALL. And people went ape shit and started sending him death threats. It's exactly what the song is about. Wasted anger. I watched the podcast and couldn't believe people made such a big deal about it.
people hate on bts for all kinds of reasons, and a lot of it depends on where you are. i can only speak personally to what i've seen in the west, but there's a lot of racism and toxic masculinity because people find their looks to be "too feminine". there have been furious conservative op eds about how kpop is going to make men gay, which as a queer man i find personally hilarious. the most baffling and infuriating to me though is the hate from within the fandom itself. some solo stans will attack other members, and unfortunately some parts of the fandom feel so entitled to control every aspect of their lives. they lash out any time a member does something they don't approve of (like getting tattoos or trying to have a normal social life when there are dating rumors). they're a small percentage of the fandom but they tend to all band together so they can get pretty loud.
The things you learn in the comment section on u tube. 👏 thank you for your reaction and for spending your time exploring their lyrics and getting to know them. I’m enjoying each of ur videos thank u so much 🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜
You had me cracking up wanting to know what happened with him (David) & why he was ranting and as I read in the comments, ARMY’s are filling you in. I myself didn’t know what had happened. Loving your reactions.
I love Korean Dramas! It was actually after watching my first Korean drama in 2009 that I discovered Kpop. I have been hooked since on both Kdramas and Kpop. I have probably seen a thousand dramas. But unlike RM who only used the Friends series to learn English I have a pathetic small number of words I know and recognize in Korean.
@@AmariLeone people are crazy!!! I love that you stop the video to tell us how you feel! It shows that you are truly interested and not doing this for clout
Honestly I think the DKDKTV case was blown out of proportion. They joked about things that maybe wasn't the best thing to joke about but it's in keeping with their other content so I don't think they were making an exception to shade BTS. They also kind of debated (at least, I wasn't following the, so Idk if there were other incidents) whether BTS' influence is becoming TOO big, or if it's good for the kpop scene. They voiced different opinions and I think everyone's allowed to have opinions and talk about them. I don't expect everyone to only think of BTS first. If the ARMYs who engaged had come back at them with just differing opinions in the debate, that would have been one thing, but there was a lot of the kind of hate UGH! refers to, too.
Honestly David didn’t deserve what he got because of Danny’s constant need to be different , so I understand if he’s pissed bc he truly loves bts as well
Listen to Outro Tear, Baseline, August D, Joker, Airplane Pt1, Daydream, and all Cyphers 1-4 (espically 4 bc it’s the best) 💜 for rap line. For vocal line Paradise, HOME, Love Maze, Stigma , Singularity, Lie, Pied Piper, Dimples, Let Me Know, Tomorrow, Serendipity, and House of Cards.
This channel(dkdktv) shaded BTS and armys with a kpop journalist on their podcast insuinating that BTS constant release of music makes it harder for other groups to shine & they should let them. Like apparently ppl wanted new music in kpop community. And much more. It was a whole mess. when armys responded with facts and logic(some were emotionally angry) they were rude instead of apologising for the insensitive remarks they made. Anyway I don't support these kind of people who ride on other people's hard-work only to turn and shit on them. I loved your reaction though. It's always fun to watch new people becoming armys. I hope you are having a good day! Stay safe and take care! 😊
Check out Audre Lorde's work entitled, “The Uses of Anger: Women Responding to Racism” !!!! When I first heard UGH!, it brought that paper back to my mind.
The gem I stumbled across when I wasn’t looking. Thank you. Really. I feel I needed to see your comment. Thank you. Yet all too often, guilt is just another name for impotence, for defensiveness destructive of communication; it becomes a device to protect ignorance and the continuation of things the way they are, the ultimate protection for changelessness. As I’m reading I’m finding so many ways I can use her insight in my professional practice.
Although I've been an ARMY for a while now, their lyrics always get to me and I'm always like *HOW IN THE WORLD DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT* I mean, almost all the lines in the songs have wordplays and like HOW?
Absolutely living for your videos. Thanks so much for giving us some amazing quarantine entertainment! I love seeing BTS for the first time through your eyes, your point of view is fantastic. xo.
I still think people should take DKDKTV beef with army with a grain of salt. I will keep watching their explanations and their kpop news videos because they're informative, watching them doesn't mean i'm a fan. It's just content that i can consume just because. No need (at least for me) to get profound in what they do right or wrong, i know that when it comes to supporting BTS my real effort as a fan should be directed at them and not the haters or creators that mess up. Sometimes silence provides a heavier impact than speech does.
In regards to DKDKTV, I see a lot of other commenters explaining the situation but I would like to clarify one point. DKDKTV is a duo. The other half of the duo (Danny) was the only member of DKDKTV who was on the podcast that caused all the drama. He is also very unfiltered and hasn't been the biggest fan of BTS or ARMY in the past. David (the guy in this video) is clearly a huge fan of BTS and is much more open minded/filtered. He's the one that has to clean up Danny's messes when he causes drama. When the whole situation happened, David was dragged through the mud because of his association with Danny and his partnership in the channe. Since then though, David has created his own channel and makes more videos on his own that express very different opinions from Danny. That's probably why David is so angry in this video particularly. He didnt really do anything to warrant the hate he got or the impact it had on his career. The people who furiously hate on DKDKTV are exactly the people who inspired UGH! in the first place.
The hate is from the companies threatened by bts' success. And also fandoms of groups that had been knocked off their top positions by bts. Or even fandoms who think that bts are stealing their limelight. An early source of hate were from the rm & suga's peers. Then there's just prejudiced idiots who know nothing but just hating bts because bts is asian, wear makeup, good looking & successful.
The worst thing someone can do is to rile ARMY when we are unemployed. Lol. When we get bored, we are a massive hornet's nest if someone comes for BTS. People have lost their jobs when saying racist things about the boys. They will find your job, where you live, your university...and they'll let someone in your life know what a terrible person you've been. (Not you personally). NOTE: this is over major stuff, not petty arguments) There are news sites that report on what ARMY is up to on Twitter. It's kind of surreal sometimes. To put it into perspective, we have over 400M Twitter interactions in the last 3 months. Donald Trump is #2 with 105M. We. Run. This. House. 👏👏😂😂
meh that thing of DKDKTV vs Army really illustrates this song in my opinion. Both guys on dkdktv have always praised BTS for their music/message and also like the BTS members themselves. They got a ton of critics when Danny who is the most outspoken and "controversial" did a podcast with a Billboard journalist that apparently Army has beef with. During the podcast they kinda criticized the Bighit (BTS's company) content strategy, especially that app game that they released last year that they felt didn't fit with BTS's message. And they were also talking about how BTS being so dominant in the Kpop market disrupted the cycle of Kpop groups being dominant then fading from spotlight when someone else debuted or made a come back etc. so there was more variety at the top and now BTS just trumps everyone and that leads to some people getting tired of the overexposure. Honestly they didn't even really criticize BTS themselves but i guess more of the marketing/content strategy? all in all it's a pretty interesting podcast if you wanna listen to it : czcams.com/video/EwfKM4kpu_s/video.html But a lot of Army got really mad and offended by it because the DKDKTV channel grew a lot because of BTS content. There was a mass unsubscribe campain and the guys got "cancelled" and harassed on social media etc. The two guys, are/were media students, worked in recording companies and have some ties with the media and entertainment industry in Seoul so i guess they have a different perspective than adoring fans but they never hated on BTS , overall they are actually very supportive of them so i don't think they deserve the hate at all.
@@AmariLeone thanks. I love BTS and obviously i like it when people like them and treat them as serious and capable artists (which they are). But if we want genuine reactors like you or genuine media coverage, then we can't expect 100% adulation all the time and that's fine.
🤣 he is mad you are right 😂 So. From what I know, the other David is the one who started the whole thing. He had an interview with this one lady who writes articles for billboard. Army absolutely hate her... reason: she always downplays bts. She always throws them under the bus but created her career thru them. Anyways. Other David had this interview with her and the topic of conversation upset army. Basically, they said bts needs to move aside and let new faces come out. This was a problem bc, 1. She always sounds like she got paid by the opposite company to write crap about bts. So this is more of that. She is again telling bts to move aside. 2. He agreed with her. People sent stupid comments out of anger. Then this david got in there and said some stuff he should have not said. I don’t remember what it was but it added wood to the fire... Reason why army get angry: bts has always been shut down by the industry. Both in Korea and the US. People always use them for clout and then throw them under the bus. People are constantly hoping for them to fail. And thru all this they get soooo much hate. Maybe at some point you will hear all that drama. What I think they tried to say but failed miserably was: as Koreans they want korea to do well. This means support for anything korean. Aka support ALL kpop and let others “shine”. Again the problem from this was, the kpop industry and fans hate bts and army and send all the hate this song is about. If you only know.. sent nazis against us, bomb and death threats. Like it’s crazy. So kpop rides on bts success and tries to insert themselves and at the same time try to get bts to move out of the way. There is so much history... And yes so much petty 😂 Let me know if you have any questions 😂
Well haters are secret army's coz they pay more attention on BTS than streaming jng their faves mv hahahaha Just want to thank hater also coz they always contribute in buying bts albums and post videos of them destroying it on their social media but still they bought bts albums, they arw also updated when BH will post BTS MV and be the first one to dislike 🤣🤣🤣 There are some people who sees other people shine and soar up so they try to hit them with a rock to fall( sh**ty words to hurt them) Last yr there were some people threw hate on dkdktv Danny and made David apologize to people but i forgot what was issue about ✌️😅😅
Today I found your channel and I am glad I don't know why your channel has little subscription...you are genuine reactor not like others who wants views and subscription and then moved to other kpop and forget about BTS.
About the incidents with k-pop idols last year. There was suicides among idols because of the hate towards them. Internet users in Korea are so captious (actually, not only in Korea, but since idols mostly read comments in korean) for some meaningless things. And journalists often worsen a situation without sorting out the problem. Basically, it's because idols are usually considered as some items that can earn money for their company. So there are certain prejudices of how idols should look, speak and act. Some big companies kicked out their own idols if they start to act like they want and tried to do everything to not allow them to be successful. So, going back to the suicide theme, because of the injustice and not receiving the support from their own companies, we lost such talented artists. Recently, more and more idols taking a break in their career because of the mental health (meaning haters will never stop). BTS know this, since they are part of this crazy world called "entertainment". They are one of the few group who openly can talk about such theme as haters. If you remember in "Ddaeng" Suga talked about "friends from small companies and hope that they will succeed" (I don't remember the exact lyrics). They always support idols from small companies because they relate to them and they always say that there are lots of unrecognized great artists. Actually, the idols from big and small companies are very friendly among each other. The problem is in the companies itself. Thankfully, BigHit is a great company which treat them so good and protect their rights. "As previously announced, we have submitted evidence collected through fan submissions and our own monitoring to the relevant investigative agency. We have secured the identities of a number of suspects, and some have been fined, while other suspects are under investigation. Although it is difficult to disclose the details of the investigation process at the request of the investigative agency, we wish to notify you that punishments are being given to those involved. There have been cases where suspects appointed attorneys to apologize and ask to come to a settlement, but we will neither make settlements nor give any leniency under any circumstances." These activities spread only in Korea, but I hope that that will be able to punish those haters around the world who hide behind their masks in social media. Remember the incident in the beginning of their career when hip-hop peers judged them? The main character in this situation was a jerk called B-free. He did it again and then the CEO of BigHit Bang ShiHyuk (a.k.a Bang PD a.k.a Hitman Bang) couldn't tolerate it and came to the CEO of B-free's company. Poor B-free's CEO apologized for B-free. So, what I'm trying to say is that thanks god for Bang PD being so brave and careful. It's my the longest comment😅 and I hope that there's no dozens of mistakes because english is not my native language 🤗
David was talking about the harmful comments towards some kpop idols the were depressed and under a lot of pressure and committed suicide last year following being targets from hateful netizens. It happens a lot. Shinee's Jonghyun committed suicide 12/18/2017. He was a brilliant singer and such a swell guy. It was a terrible loss. South Korea actually has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. You can watch videos of stars from Korea that have died each year (of all causes but mostly suicide). I took a Anger Managing class many years ago after I contacted a detective to report someone was abusing my kids. Anger is a neutral feeling. It simply means we feel pain. We are wounded. It isn't bad to feel anger. What is bad is the choices that are made in a result of the anger. Ideally we would choose something that would bring on the healing process which will also resolve the pain. But people that are abusive go in cycles. They thrive on turning their pain around and targeting someone else and controlling them and making them hurt. They believe they are totally justified in their violent attacks and even blame the victim. There is a brief cycle of them playing innocent, bring flowers, making up before bringing out another cycle of attacks. It is a vicious circle.
Think about this. This song is part of a map of the soul concept. So I think the rappers chose to visit the anger side of ourselves from that aspect. And this represents what makes them angry. We need to face all sides of ourselves. And we need to stick up for the folks that are having trouble doing so for themselves. And these rappers dealt with hella crap to get to where they are, being they had a hip hop thing going. They were criticized and hammered. So I think that hate stemmed from there early on. And RM and Suga write a good bit of lyrics and they write what they feel and see, so it was the path they were given. They took all that hate and bull and produced fire. 🔥
The problem is that even if Army cancels DKDKTV, they're still the only channel providing explanations based off of a korean perspective but still with a lot of deep and thorough research. Plus David is an army even if he's defended Danny who's said some sus things, and ppl also tend to escalate things more than they need to be, and Danny (the other guy) just likes being a troll in general. They're still providing these explanation videos that we watch even if they dont profit much off of them because of copyright...
haha! i love how you really nerd out over their content and serious about learning the meaning of everything! if you want a hype song of BTS shitting on their haters, you'll need to react to Mic Drop!
I just wanna say I love you and I love your reactions. I love your input in everything and anime related stuff 😉. I totally don't understand why some people go to some extent to ask someone to kill themselves...like, what do they get out of it? Anyway, I'm glad af I clicked that first BTS reaction you did and found your channel (and subscribed)... You really made my day with your reaction 💜 Thank you so much 💜💜💜. You nice, keep going 👍 Take care of yourself too...
@@AmariLeone you're such a hard-working person... But don't forget to take care of yourself too... We will definitely watch your videos no matter when you upload... 💜
David is a Army i have seen in comments of his DKDKTV of people being so hurtful towards him . He honestly dislikes Drama well everyone does , i think it hurts him more when immature toxic Army's attack him those kind of Army's is best to ignore . I'm Army i enjoy and like David channel . I really enjoyed your Reaction especially to BTS. There will be toxic Army's coming at you for dumb & stupid reason but let it pass they got nothing better to do . Do you be happy and keep up with your Reaction video's 🙂💜💜
* Edit: omfg this is so long, enjoy the tea. I just used 'we' instead of 'ARMY' bc I got tired of typing it, it just represents my observings of ARMY on twitter * DKDKTV said BTS was being pushed down people's throats and BigHit was releasing too much BTS content so then other Kpop acts in the industry couldn't get any attention because of that. My opinion is on that is that people just genuinely like BTS in every aspect and there is no other artist or kpop group like them, also they work extremely hard to give back and entertain people with a lot of content and music. It's not BTS or ARMYs fault that other acts aren't as popular. They collaborated with a problematic journalist many times as well that ARMY does not trust at all and basically released a podcast talking down on BTS's successes. Kind of weird since DKDKTV popularity also stems mostly from BTS related content. After all those incidents DKDKTVs numbers have been dropping and I guess there are more haters. It was mostly the other guy of DKDKTV though, the duo is David and Danny. David is the one you saw in the video and he's a good guy, Danny is controversial though having gone on cursing rants online after ARMY called him out. David then came to apologize for everything, the sweet guy but he was pretty late with that. I completely forgot about all of this, lmao it took a while for me to recall it. I hope you see why we did what we did. We ain't want nobody stepping on BTS for reasons like that, we are pretty forgiving and we generally don't get offended or mad at criticism. We still have our rotten apples in the fandom, but we don't claim them. We are petty meme creators though, so if you get on our bad side then your face is everywhere on the internet. One of my favourites is playing tictactoe on boomers foreheads.
When I discovered DKDKTV, I really appreciated their informative videos (like their explain videos) and their updates on what is happening in the Korean media. From their videos, it is clear that Danny and David have different personalities and sometimes even clash with one another on certain topics. The controversial issue is that sometimes their commentary can be a bit careless. Because they are known for their informative videos, their credibility in understanding aspects of the Kpop industry, and for having an international audience (not just a Korean following), my concern is that viewers and other media sources will take certain things that they say as fact without doing further research.
I see a few people have already recommended Baepsae and Spine Breaker, definitely check those out with the explained videos. N.O. is another one with a strong message. It's from 2014, but they have always been consistent in calling out what they see as unjust to our generation. Mic Drop is a mix of a bragging song and a diss track. I'll explain and go into the rapper's mix tapes some other time, there is a a lot to discuss there lol. I know you have been going on with the rap line, but an amazing song worth checking out is 00:00 (Zero O'clock). It is only the vocal line, but RM wrote the lyrics for it. Louder Than Bombs is another one. Both of these are from the new album. No MV, you would have to watch the lyric videos, I can link them to you if you need it. Loving your channel!👏
About the haters.. or fan wars. One thing that was hard for me to wrap my head around is that Korean kpop fans are really over-the-top compared to US fans. The nearest comparison I can make is with sports. Putting Red Sox and Yankee fans in the same room is probably a mistake. Same goes with certain fandoms. And, if you think about it, the internet is one big room. So, for your sake, never compare kpop groups or you will be lighting a fuse. Korean fandoms get triggered over what sometimes seems to me to be trivial things. I remember at one award show a certain fandom became outraged at where their kpop group was seated. They felt that another kpop group had 'taken their place.'.... and the war between the different fandoms began... Fans will also organize to make group protests and all sorts of other activities. And certain companies are rather infamous for igniting their own fandoms to go after another company's groups. Sigh.
I'm not going to put more because ppl have explained more than enough, but because of those suicides, companies are cracking down on internet trolls. Most recently they're suing a 9yr old who accused one of the members of sexually harassing her favorite female kpop idol. BH has made it clear that no concessions will be made because of the erroneous nature of the accusations that were completely unfounded and utterly ridiculous. It's divided the fandom a bit because of the fact that she's a minor, but ppl have also reminded others that a false accusation such as this can ruin a career. There's also been a lot of death threats along with traditional cyberattacks which even shut down BTS concerts/fanmeets before so right now, the company has had it and is taking it seriously.
I’m an example for this. When I became a BTS fan, I posted online why I love them, how they helped me, and shared their songs. One of my family members misunderstood me, and threatened me. She told me that if I post anything about BTS, she’ll tell everyone that I am nothing but a whore. And all because I said on Facebook that Jungkook is as sexy as hell. I guess freedom of speech doesn’t apply to me.
Many korean idols male and female comitted suicide because of too much internet attacks ... And these people are even great singers and song writers..... That's what the lines are pointing out.
It's me so I'll write some clever comment here eventually but I'm sleepy cause I been up working on these all night so for right now I'm venting lmao, hope all you guys are doing well and staying safe....Borahae!
Edit: Remembered I am not clever so there won't be anything clever here, oh wait I got one: Stay petty my friends.... lol
Designated ventilator in place, BAM!
P.S. I'm already spoiled because I had time to start MISSING your content!
@@tildatiger I got busy for a day then thought well this is probably good so they don't get tired of seeing my face or better yet tired of hearing my voice
@@AmariLeone , great test - did we turn up? I THINK WE DID ;)
You should open up your twitter Dms, we gonna flood you with bts x Anime memes
And please stay safe!!!
About the "tragic incidents in Kpop last year": yes, many idols killed themsleves last year, Sulli, Cha in Ha, Goo Hara... And even before that, Jonghyun and so many others. The most tragic about that? None of them lived past 28, and they received hate for the most trivial things. Believe it or not, Sulli was hated on because of things ranging from not wearing a bra under her shirt (who cares!), to pictures of her birthday that weren't even offensive and just featured her smiling and hugging friends. V himself lost two friends to suicide, and BTS were close to Jonghyun and attended his funeral.
Holy shit I've never heard that V lost two friends to suicide! Is that true? Can anyone else confirm this?
@@ramizbegic3110 I know one was a model named Lee Ui Soo, I don't remember the other. It might be because it wasn't a famous friend. But yes, it was two friends that V lost. That man has suffered so much (since he also had to mourn his grandma and his grandpa)
@@ramizbegic3110 its true i dont know who they are but in the GoGo dance practice V isn't himself because he lost his friend recently
i just want to add that bts got a lot of hate domestically for starting out as underdogs from a small company and then becoming a threat to the industry once they started growing despite their lack of industry power/backing (it's similar to the reason they face a lot of resistance from the us industry, in addition to xenophobia). they proved that a genuinely talented group backed by ordinary people rather than an industry can disrupt the entire system of established power, which is scary. it's not just antis and fandoms of other groups shitting on them online - even the media has tried to suppress them or spread damaging rumors about them. it's kind of a known secret that other large entertainment companies played a role in suppressing them using their influence, and it's not unlikely that they helped facilitate one of the more vicious fanwars between another group when antis were pushing a particular malicious career-damaging fabrication.
there's a word they refer to themselves as a lot in lyrics, "baepsae" (which is also the title of a bts song) which in english is a bird called a "crow tit." it comes from a korean saying "if a crow tit (tiny bird with short legs) tries to walk like a stork (long legs), it'll break its legs" - i.e. if you try reaching for things outside your means you will hurt yourself, so aspire to what's within your means rather than push beyond that. in a way, it can also be taken as "know your place and be satisfied with it and don't disrupt the status quo trying to be something you're not." so as group from a small company with little resources overtaking big name groups from industry giants and receiving a lot of hate for it, bts has reclaimed the word "baepsae" - you say i'm a short legged bird who's wrong for aspiring to be a stork? that i should give it up before i hurt myself trying to be something bigger than i was meant to be? i'll show you that "baepsae" can overcome that pain and achieve dreams of being something great, and criticize a system where baepsae (disadvantaged people) are expected to be satisfied or else struggle to keep up with storks, who are unfairly advantaged just because of circumstance.
K this is on point!
I used to be a multi, but during the fanwars, I left all except Army. I still listen to the groups, but I don't associate with the fandoms. I had never seen anything like that before. I'd been into kpop since 2010, and seen fandoms argue, but this was something else. PS This was the best and clearest explanation for Baepsae that I've seen.
@@pambarab5506 me too, while my taste was beginning to change and groups i used to stan were not my cup my tea anymore. It was what happened in 2016 and 2017 that made me leave all kpop fandoms i was part of (and i left twitter for a while)
That's why Baepsae is a popular BTS song backed strongly by ordinary people called 'ARMY'.. we face these kind of unfairness and criticisms at different stages of our lives and BTS becomes our voice, and we find strength and gain motivation to keep trying even though these struggles in life get us down
@@pambarab5506 i also listen to kpop since 2010. I am just casual listener for many groups. I even only stan BTS since 2017. Even before that, i always saw many backlashs, plagiarism accusation about them. I dont really realize that time because i was not a fan. But now as i am a fan, i realized BTS got so many hates and its must be so tiring for them when many kpop fans and even companies hate and jealous of BTS. When you become ARMY, you gonna realize BTS attacks from others are just on another level. I still not gonna forget tragedy nov 2018 when almost whole kpop fans and even some 'ARMY' hate and try to destroy BTS career. Its was very traumatic experience i have ever have as ARMY. And yes, we all cried when BTS gave speech in MAMA 2018. Its all sterm from knowing BTS thinking to disband and also knowing how bad(tragedy nov 2018) was 2018 for them despite having numerous achievements.
My grandmother's words of wisdom..."Save your anger for something important".
Soooo true, clearly she was an intellectual like yourself
A wise grandmother!
Okay, serious essay incoming, who knows if you'll even read all this lol
For me, the reason I don't watch their videos anymore is that I find them hypocritical, which is very clearly shown in the main incident that happened between this channel and ARMY. Basically, the other half of DKDKTV, Danny (the guy in this video is David) was on a podcast with this K-pop journalist called Tamar. Now, Tamar has her own nasty history with BTS and ARMY. She's repeatedly published articles about BTS with facts that are either misleading or outright wrong, including articles that have harmed their career, but she never apologizes or acknowledges what she did and instead acts like a victim being persecuted by "haters." She's not a real journalist in my opinion, because she is way too biased, self-interested and often times her research is shoddy, but sadly that isn't rare in today's media. SO, yeah, already DKDKTV having her on this podcast as a guest to comment on BTS at all wasn't the best choice and had people annoyed.
Then they actually had to go and say borderline offensive things about BTS during that podcast and that just poured gasoline on the embers. Tamar, like usual, tried to defend her crap journalism by saying she has to use BTS for clickbait because when it comes to K-pop, they are above and beyond the most popular group (they're the most popular group in the world period) and sometimes the only way for her to talk about what she wants to talk about is to include BTS in the conversation. Now, if it was as innocent as that, it would be annoying yes, but ARMY wouldn't hate her like they do. But like I explained earlier, that isn't all she does. Then her and Danny basically said that BTS has oversaturated the market and are everywhere and as a result people are getting sick of only hearing about them and that it would be nice to see some new faces, aka that other K-pop groups should get a chance to shine.
Now, on the surface, sure, that doesn't sound like the worst thing to say, since it's true in a sense, BTS ARE everywhere and yeah, I'm sure some people are sick of them. BUT it's honestly ridiculous when you take a closer look, especially when it comes to the subject of K-pop. Most of K-pop is very curated by companies and corporations. And for years and years, the K-pop scene was specifically lorded over by three companies known as The Big 3, SM Entertainment, YG Entertainment, and JYP Entertainment. And when I say lorded over, I mean it. These three companies had (and to an extent still have) a chokehold over that industry and for the most part, only their groups had any chance of getting popular because these companies had and have to this day, deep ties to broadcast companies and all other types of companies and people in the entertainment industry and media in South Korea. If you piss off these companies they will not hesitate to blacklist your ass and shut you out of the industry and they've even tried it with BTS many times. Now, K-pop tends to have a very high turner over when it comes to groups and how long they stay popular and there's even a term for it, "the seven-year curse" because compared to the hundreds and hundreds of K-pop groups that have debuted over the years, very very few last beyond seven years and even fewer manage to actually stay relevant that long. Nowadays, to be honest, few groups even make it past two or three years because so many groups debut every single year. So in light of this, people in the K-pop industry, including fans, are very used to always seeing new faces and it's a very normal phenomenon for K-pop fans to migrate to new groups after old ones have lost their shine or relevancy.
BTS, on the other hand, is a total and complete anti-thesis to this model for many reasons. First of all, they started off with a small company. For many years, Big Hit Entertainment had like 12 employees. For reasons I already explained, it's incredibly difficult for groups from smaller companies to get any kind of foothold in the industry, let alone become even remotely as successful as BTS has become. Second, the fact that BTS just continues to get more and more famous as the years go by is also not normal for a "K-pop" group, because even the most popular K-pop groups in the past always ended up falling off even if they do last longer. They don't continue to rise in respect and popularity, they reach of peak of success, and then tend to drop off rather rapidly over a few years as the members' age and other newer groups come out and replace them and are pushed by these Entertainment companies instead. Third, BTS did all this while also doing music their own way and actually talking about important social issues and just their real lives and feelings in general, when by the time they'd come onto the scene, most K-pop music was very shallow, sanitized and controlled by corporate interests. So, BTS succeeded against all these odds and trust me, plenty of bullshit from this industry that in no way wanted them to succeed.
So, for Tamar and Danny to imply that BTS should take a step back and give other groups a chance as if they haven't earned their success a hundred times over, it is absurd. They basically want K-pop to go back to the status quo and how it was before because neither of them actually gives a shit about the people involved in any of these groups, while pretending to care by hiding behind the idea that they just want other groups to be able to have success like BTS has. But in the model they support, the traditional K-pop system, most of the people involved in these K-pop groups don't have the chance to earn true success because they are trapped in the talent meat grinder that is the K-pop industry. If they actually cared about these people, they wouldn't want BTS to take a step back, they would support them and the changes they could and are bringing to the K-pop industry that would allow artists and talent in the K-pop industry to have more artistic and personal freedoms. But like I said, they don't actually care, because they actually thrive off the constant turn-over and controversy. Also, both Danny (and David) and Tamar, whatever their personal opinions and feelings are, make mad money off of BTS. If they really wanted to support other K-pop artists and make them as big as BTS, they should put their money where their mouth is and actually do that, but they can't, because if they did, they would have to sacrifice their profit and clout to do so. And when they are called out on their bullshit, they get incredibly defensive. Danny, for example, said all sorts of horrible and offensive shit on the live chat for that podcast and twitter afterward, cursing out his own subscribers. And like most online personalities, well, let's be real, people in general, when they get rightfully called out, instead of addressing some of the real issues and complaints, they focus on the nastiest comments in order to divert attention and act like they are being unfairly treated and criticized. Rinse, wash, and repeat.
So really, for them to talk about their fall out with ARMY, even vaguely, while breaking down this song, is pretty ironic lol It's not like they are totally wrong to bring it up since I'm sure they did receive a lot of unnecessary vitriol during that whole incident, but it's not like they were some innocent fresh roses who did nothing wrong. They deserved to get called out and handled it very poorly. So, in a sense, they reacted to rightful anger with anger full of malice and it all turned to shit, just like what the song talks about.
So there, a basic overview of the beef not only between ARMY and DKDKTV but the K-pop industry as a whole lol
I read your essay and I just want to say thank you for explaining! You covered the topics in a very understandable and well put way.
Amazing 👏
Malin Stalheim Thank you! 💜 I tried haha
Thanks for writing this. I'm really curious why army said dkdktv is not with them anymore
You explained so perfectly 👏👏👏
Thanks for this comment every word was on point
🤜🎤
Is it just me that reeeeeeaaaaally wants him to react to "persona", "shadow", "ego" and each explained video?
Same!!
TamaoChan yesssss
I think it perfectly represents who they are as artists and their internal struggles as well as their victories. Plus showcases their versatility.
saaame! =)
Yes.
So why do BTS get so much hate? The problem is that it comes from numerous different sides and different motives. At first the hate came from the Korean underground hip-hop scene that accused RM and Suga of selling out. Secondly, the K-pop scene in Korea has very toxic elements; fans of the big, established groups basically bullied BTS and ARMY when they started (and unfortunately it’s still going on). Then there is the prejudice in the general public outside of Korea, where BTS are often portrayed as overrated and artificial. Your own idea of BTS was pretty much influenced by that perception when you started reacting to them. Finally, a lot of hate comes from racism, toxic masculinity and sexism (towards the fans).
Reasons why they were (and somehow still are) hated on in Korea: In Korea, background is VERY important. Connection can get you anywhere. But BTS are nobodies that came from a company on the cusp on bankrupcy. They also happen to not have one single member from Seoul (and in Korea, Seoul people tend to look down a bit on you if you are from another region or speak with a heavily accented satoori(dialect). Kind of like city people sometimes look down on people with a southern drawl, in the US). BTS even made a son about it called Paldogangsan. They also never pendered to Korean media, and after being ridiculed one too many times on TV because of their style, appearance and underdog status, they went on to create their own shows. You must also understand that in Asia in eneral, fandoms can get very vicious: BTS, when they started winning awards over their peers from bigger companies, had to face hate from the fandoms of all those big names: it was so f*cking ugly. I was already a fan since 2013 and let me tell you: we experienced some of the hardest times of our lives back then. Nowadays, because they made it on their own, Korean media are doing everything in their power to have them back on their show, but BTS won't forget easily what they went through because of them. Jut recently, JTBC tried to stir up trouble for BTS and their company by illegaly infiltrating their building to dig up dirt on them under the orders of YG(another company). They didn't find anyting so they lied on national TV about BTS being involved in a lawsuit. Check out the articles on line about that.
Reasons why BTS are hated on in the West: well it's pretty simple. They are asian, do not sing in english or spanish (the most commonly accepted languages worldwide for music consumption), they are doing too well and threaten America's dominion on the charts (second best selling artist in the world after Drake, surpassing all other american artists). People have a sheep mentality and tend to jump on the Let's-hate-BTS-bandwagon. They are also not taken very seriously in terms of music, and the fact that people refuse to read subtitles and understand is also a factor: how can you know if their music is deep or not if you don't use lyrics, smh, some people I swear... I mean, you have seen the reaction of people when Parasite, a Korean movie, won the best film at the Oscars: even Trump had to chime in and be racist about it.
I love everything about this comment! Well obviously not the BTS hate but I like them not kissing the ass of the gate keepers & out doing them on their own!
@@AmariLeone Cheers to that! These men even received medals from the SK President! S*ck on that haters! :D
That's the reason why I don't check on other group from the big 3.
Well I like to check jyp's arthis because this one big agency not as bad as the other 2 (and the fact that Hitman bang was worked there, even the CEO give his support for him when he started bighit)
Ooh I didn't even know Trump made comments about Parasite. That's just one more on my checklist why I hate that guy... since 2006.
@@AmariLeone Yeah, there's a lot of social background that goes into Western hate specifically too. As a boy band, they are often automatically dismissed because the stereotype is that only young, teenage girls like boybands. With a typical underlying dismissal of things that women like as important, it's no surprise that if a female says that they like BTS, it's dismissed pretty quickly. Guys don't always like to speak up if they DO like BTS, so I always love those who are loud and proud. Western media also does a lot to push this narrative of BTS being only for young, screaming fangirls. If you watch most coverage of them when fans are present, you won't see many (if any) older fans or male fans, despite them being a huge part of the fandom. Interviews about them are rarely deep or even focused on their music for that matter, although it seems to be getting a bit better. So the narrative that is pushed for Westerners who may have never encountered them before is that they are Asian, don't speak English, are pretty, and just another boybad that only appeals to young girls which must mean that they aren't deep or worth looking at.
Ok if you like petty fights I will suggest the saga of videos:
"Karma is an ARMY"
Basically, it's got a compilation of 'fanwars' between ARMY and kpop fandoms through the years. With screenshots and everything. It's really funny haha
Soo basically you just gave me the idea for my next video lmao
@@AmariLeone Its a great idea!
People do make reaction to those videos haha
Will go well with mood settled with all this shade lol
@@AmariLeone Yes please check that out then you will know people hate on bts for no reason thsy just want to ruined their career for no reason. Like it mention on the songs haters angry at lil things
Yes we like comedy in this trying environment haha
"He who angers you, controls you." - Elizabeth Kenny
I truly believe this. One of the only things I can truly control is how I react to a situation. And I try not to get flustered over something that isn't worth my time or attention. Of course, I have learned this through many instances of life experience, time and trials. But now that I understand that, it has really saved a lot of my energy and not only that it gas given my spirit more positive energy. I hope I can be a light to others if they are going through dark times. I have more compassion and caring for my fellow human beings than ever before. And yes, BTS really brought that to my attention 3 years ago when I discovered them. They planted those seeds of kindness and concern in my mind and the more I thought about their lyrics the more I evaluated my life. They truly are an inspiration.
Wow such a powerful quote, just wow...
I saw a clip of you reacting to Bts on twitter and I asked around for who you were and got brought here. It's really hard to find genuine reactors and most of them just do it for the clout but you are truly genuine, you don't sugar coat anything and speak your mind and that is how a real reactor should be.
It's been very fun watching fall into the rabbit hole and I can't wait to see your reaction on this!
Thank you I appreciate it so much! Also damn must've been a good clip, glad you saw it lmao
Funny of David being so petty when he was the one that posted an apology video ( like a booty guru, barefaced, with the fake sadness), he asked for our forgiveness, that he don't agree with Danny and tamarindo, that he had no say in the podcast and all of that... Pathetic, but I don't expect anything else from both of them...
Their ( David, Danny, and Tamarindo) problem with army, is that to them, we are the ones preventing the groups from the BIG3 ( that they love so much) to succeed. Because the majority of armys are not kpop fans, we couldn't care less about other groups, what they are doing, etc... And they have this weird notion that armys are obliged to make other groups as successful as BTS.
That we have to stop buying BTS music, voting for BTS in award shows, and that we do that for their faves... Because apparently, these groups don't have a fandom. They are always on TT to hate on BTS, but to support their faves, to so much. I had fans of a group that once upon a time was a competition to BTS, say to me that they don't see the point in buying an album, because it's a waste of money, and 2 days later were crying because a group disbanded, like honey you refuse to support the artist because love doesn't pay the bills, but you are going to cry because their career is over? What?
In Brazil, in the first half of 2019, we were THRETNEND by kpop CZcamsrs that if we didn't buy tickets to a random boy group concert, then BTS would not come to brazil( one of the CZcamsrs is friends with the owner of the company responsible for this group concert)... I saw,armys on the tl, crying because they believed them, purchased tickets for this concert and when BTS STADIUM concert in Brazil was announced they didn't have money to go...
The kpop community hates BTS for being successful because they are elitist. If the group is not from a Big 3 company, then it is not talented enough to succeed.
And all 3 f them are fans of BIG3 groups that are nowhere near as famous as BTS.
So now you know...
1. Hi Lylla always happy to see your face under my videos
@@AmariLeone tell that to them years of trying to reason with them and still nothing the other day on Twitter I saw a thread about what fandoms want to say to ARMY and it was going on and on about things like how we shouldn't say that BTS paved the way because other groups have made it by their words 'big' in america but we tell them it's not about who did it first but impact on the general public so they get interested enough that they become ARMYs themselves. To kpoppers saying how other groups deserve a chance and we should listen to other groups before voting for BTS randomly for each award they are nominated for and we were like wtf we are ARMY so of course we'll support bts in all awards we won't stop because you think your group deserves a chance if you really think that then vote more promote your groups music but nooo. BTS didn't release anything for about 10 months and nobody did anything so they can't say that their group isn't succeeding because of bts also nobody gave us a chance we did everything we could to bring our boys to the top, we learned the ins and out of this industry how to stream how to chart, payola, bundles (which our boys don't use and when we mention it they still get mad at us) everything. But somehow we're still the toxic ones bc we support only bts and call out people whether it be a news reporter that said some racist thing about them or a radio host. We don't sit still when we know something isn't right but somehow that makes us toxic it frustrating.
What Lylla said......3 turned music into a factory, notice Bang PD broke away, made his own company, gave BTS autonomy ......the rest is obvious
Your face on the thumbnail reminds me of "V" after cleaning his dirty fingers on Jin's sleeve while eating together... like if you know what i'm talking about lol
lol a commenter right below this had that exact face as a profile pic and i nearly died
😂😂😂😂
Lol
I just now realise, that so many more youtube reactors need to look up, what the lyrics mean and how deep they go. The admiration for these boys goes up 100%, when you really get the message. I mean... they are 20 year olds, who spend almost half of their life living with the same people (the BTS members) and they still know more about emotions and their value than many of the "grown ups".
I GO UGH!!!
Watching you fall deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole of bts is really fun.. I can’t wait for this reaction😆
Thank you!
I'm back lol I wanted to say something else as well, but I didn't want to add onto my monster of a comment from before. But what David said at the end of the video about using anger to do something constructive and revolutionary triggered me, since like you so astutely concluded, he basically tried to use the video and song to scold ARMY.
Yes, like any fandom or group on the internet, the ARMY has a lot of toxic individuals who do dumb shit and are just overall unproductive and negative. However, as a whole, the ARMY is actually a really revolutionary group of people in my opinion. We span all ages, races, and ethnicities and for the most part, are a very welcoming and inclusive community. There has never been a fandom like us I don't think.
One of the major reasons BTS succeeded despite all the crazy odds they were up against is because of ARMY. When BTS didn't have support from anyone else and in fact had active opposition, their fans were there to provide that support and help them push through it all. I want to give you some examples. Okay, when BTS was first starting out, they had very little money and were the subject of ridicule from many other K-pop fandoms and just people online in general, who would make fun of their looks and things like their clothes. So what did ARMY do? They straight up bought BTS designer clothes so that ppl wouldn't have an opportunity to shit on them for that. Another example would be when BTS started to get big Stateside. Now, in the beginning, and to this very day, BTS and US radio has a rocky relationship because of things like xenophobia, racism, payola etc. So back in the day, ARMY organized multiple groups across many different states in order to constantly call into radio stations and request BTS to be played on the radio, as well as constantly voting for their songs to get played and having to put up with rude radio people who would make fun of BTS or hang up on us, all the while we would send flowers and thank you cards to any radio hosts that did play their music. Those are only two things, but over the years, ARMY has done whatever we needed to do in order to make BTS succeed and fought whoever we needed to fight, which in itself is a revolutionary thing to do because, by all usual metrics, BTS should not be as famous as they are in South Korea, let alone the entire world. Who would have ever thought the biggest musical group in the world would be seven Korean guys? Let alone seven Korean guys who stand for what BTS stands for and make the kind of meaningful music they make. Of course, the reason ARMY rides so hard for BTS is that they proved time and again they deserve that kind of loyalty and support.
Another thing the ARMY is known for is charity. ARMY as a whole has not only participated in but been the instigators of so much charity over the years and donated a lot of, money, time and goods to various causes. We even have a large fanbase called OneInAnARMY that is exclusively about doing charity. One infamous case was when Star Wars was doing this charity campaign on twitter to raise money, the cap being a million dollars. The campaign was supposed to take place over one month I think, but ARMY found out about it and we used the hashtag so much in order to help that we literally raised that million dollars in one single day lol ARMY is also known for bringing attention to and calling out corruption in the entertainment industry since we've had to do that over the years in order to help BTS get through all the constant walls put up against them. Overall, the ARMY is the most educated and organized fandom I've ever seen and we definitely do use our anger to actually accomplish things and fight against injustice.
I am very proud to be part of this fandom and what it stands for. Even though I personally cannot claim to have achieved anything significant with it so far, I am trying to do my part by supporting, voting, correctly informing about BTS and ARMYs and in general spreading their message and positivity.
@Juli juli I totally agree! So many people forget that they are just humans. We don't know them personally and pretending to do so is a bit weird. All we know is what they show us and how they act with each other (which makes them look very likable but we still don't know them personally). Even if they wanted to show their personal lives more to connect with ARMYs I don't think it would be a good idea since everything they do is so strictly monitored by the whole world. If I were them I would be happy about every tiny bit of privacy even if I loved my fans and wanted to share everything with them. It's not only the fans who are watching them it is the whole world judging, evaluating and trying to analyse everything they put out. I often feel bad for them because they can almost never be relaxed (only when they are home I guess and even there I would be scared of ppl breaking into the house - but I guess they have a lot of security) and they can't just do ordinary things or go somewhere without protection like every other person.
I just wished people could be their fans while still treating them like humans and respecting their privacy, personal opinions etc. That counts for every celebrity, not only BTS. ARMYs are still one of the best and respectful fandoms I have ever witnessed but there are also many 'fans' (many new ones as well since they became famous worldwide so fast) who are in my opinion not worthy of being called a 'fan'. I guess it is normal for 'celebrities' (I don't like that word) but that doesn't mean it's right.
@Juli juli Thank you! Yeah, that would be a great idea and probably the best thing we can do to start is doing what BTS wants us to do - loving ourselves ^^ From there we can help other people loving themselves and that way we can help reduce useless hate and focus on the bigger problems. This too is just a wish but we can try to make it come true 😊💪
What Fai said.... again with the hypocrisy to use this explanation as a poke. Oh the irony.....
I've seen comments with the explanation about the DKDKTV situation so I'm just gonna say my piece...when I saw the video DANNY did I thought "I'm not even gonna watch that because that journalist is not a favorite of mine", then I saw Danny's tweet about making a specific fandom angry and I thought "whatever his personality is like that" and I saw quotes of him saying how BTS was everywhere and that they should give other groups a chance and I thought "lol not a chance, my dedication has to be earned (like BTS did) and not handed out of pitty" where I drew the line is when I saw his response on the live chat of the video. he was extremely disrespectfull and condescending, the man stoped doing reactions because they were "not a real job and dumb" well a real job requires professionalism and he doesnt have that.
honestly I adore david! he seems like a nice guy and I want to support HIM! so I unsubscribed from their DKDKTV channel and I subscribed to his personal channel I watch explanations for BTS that he is in... I don't care that he used BTS's song to throw shade because is not intended for me I understand his frustration when (let's be honest) immature BTS fans won't let go of what happened. it's been a while if you can't forgive nor forget just don't watch their content.
God I love when I see a logical person in a comment section, it's so refreshing
exactly. Thank you for this comment! I like David too. I am picky about what I watch on their channel, but I'm picky with all the channels. That's why I don't get bent when a new reactor suddenly posts a video in the k-pop realm. I've seen now 3 baby ARMY reactors got hate just for watching someone else's music. Sheesh. It says right in the title or they show it right in the thumbnail... it ain't BTS. That's usually my que to say, do I really want to watch this video? Usually it's no. And then I just wait for their next video to see if it is BTS related. If I'm in the mood for something outside of BTS I will click on it. I only want to watch things that I know I might like and enjoy. Thank you for your comment. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one picking what they watch.
So if anyone's hating on you for no reason, send them a link to BTS UGH:
-BTS will get views on the song
-haters will get beautifully roasted (some may even enjoy the song and become a fan lol)
-you will save time and effort dealing with haters
😂
Hahah what if they are "ARMY" members though *gasp*
@@AmariLeone Armys don't hate 😂
@@polina2947 Psh I've had some self proclaimed army already tell me to kill myself & I've enjoyed every BTS song so far so i mean...
@@AmariLeone Actually there are some people from other fandoms who claim to be ARMY just to spread hate and to prove their ARMY is toxic agenda. Also every fandom has some bad apples.. Any real ARMY won't attack anyone unless they attack BTS & ARMY first..
@@ushreebakshi8818 Please don't put the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Armys are no angels fallen from heaven and, like you said, there're bad apples in any fandom, meaning in ours too. We should better acknowledge that instead of pulling a "it was an anti" or "that's not a true army then" and shush it away.
So in the amount of time I’ve been an Army (which actually isn’t super long, but a decent amount of time) I never understood why people hate on BTS. Even when I was oblivious to bts, I didn’t hate them, I was just indifferent. People nowadays can be very malicious for no good reason if they feel threatened and will twist stories to support their claims. Also, many uneducated people assume BTS is “manufactured” do to the false stigmas around the industry.
Also, if you want some real tea, I would recommend reacting to the B-Free incident and then listening to the rap-line’s 4 cyphers cause damn, those hit hard😂
Yeah see that's how I was, before I became a fan boy of them (last week lmao) I just knew of their existence but had no info on them & therefore had no opinion hence I made a video to get more info to form an opinion. I feel like we live in a society of people having opinions that are way too strong all off of info that is inadequate.
So basically, DKDKTV gained a big following and army’s trust by doing these explained videos and then kind of messed it all up. They did a podcast with a journalist who spread false rumours about BTS that could have seriously impacted their career (they got a lot of hate for that false rumour) and she’s well known as a BTS hater on twt. During that podcast they started shading armys and BTS, saying stuff like BTS needs to stop releasing music because it’s time for other groups to get the spotlight, but then they were like ‘maybe not’ because they get clout by covering things about BTS. After that armys felt betrayed and got angry with the other guy, this guy then started apologizing for his friend, but the the other dude was already clapping back and hardcore insulting armys. Then they started losing a looot of subs and apologized again (I think)... anyways. I personally kind of like their explained videos, but I cannot support two faced people ✌🏻 no hate tho, it’s not worth it
I support David not Danny he's the one that messed up and didn't even dare to apologize David had to deal with the hate despite being an army
Yeah, I kind of feel bad for David as well. Nobody’s perfect, and he could’ve handled it better, but at least he apologized and didn’t go around insulting their own subscribers...
David took his apology down though I think.
@@katiecampbell747 probably because of the hate and maybe because he realised it wasnt him that needed to apologize
Katie Campbell yeah, as I’ve mentioned he really could have done better, in the apology he was like ‘I’m so sorry, I don’t agree with what was said’ but then he went and defended Danny and said he was partially right? I can’t remember all of it, but I think he was just trying to clean up the mess and keep his friend at the same time
ppl got mad at dkdk because they repeatedly shaded and/or invalidated bts' success, also shaded army before and collabed on a podcast with an american 'journalist' who is known to publicly shade bts and army as well. they even attempted apology and then did it again so yeah 🤷
edit: that's not to say their explanation videos aren't good, they are, it's just that some shit they say tends to overshadow that.
edit 2: to be totally honest with you, i haven't watched this specific explanation vid from them until your reaction and i REALLY don't know how to feel about the fact that he attempted to use bts' song against their haters to 'clap back' at people who called him and danny out for shading bts and army. that's like... nah dude.
Yeah its a petty paradox lol hence my reaction
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It’s actually Danny that does that repeatedly , David is an ARMY himself and defends BTS and their success and impact quite a lot.
Poor David has to go through all the hate when Danny is the actual one who keep messing it up. And they keep apologising for things every 2 weeks or so and it's got to the point it's annoying like those other youtubers. So yeah that's why. Also I hated the fact that he used the boys' song to their benefit when they are those haters. It's funny!
@@AmariLeone They keep apologising every two weeks like the other fake youtubers and it got to the point where I stopped watching them. Then I heard how one of them said things about their success and how the boys are getting boring now and should let other groups take their place. That was very disrespectful. Even though this guy is an army and has to take all the burn for his partner, he doesn't stop him either. It's actually so rude to use BTS' song for their benefit and act all mighty when they are actually talking about the haters which is they themselves.
UGH rEALITY7 omg i never knew about that but I do know that anytime I watch them danny always seems annoy me.
Ahh, if you like pettiness you should definitely react to the cyphers. there are 4 parts. And I think you will also like the karma is an army series by shookga. This also has 4 parts
oh just a heads up if you haven't heard, they're doing a free online concert on the 18th and 19th at 12pm kst! it's going to be streaming on bangtantv, and it should be pretty amazing.
7:10 so about that, it's always been jealousy with a bit of fear and that was bcs even when BTS were tiny and "powerless" they were a threat, they shine since debut, they've always had something special about them, and all those big companies saw it. BTS was a tiger cub in a room full of full-grown cows, and as cute and small as they were, the big companies could already see the carnivorous predator they would grow to be. They knew this tiny, rookie group was a threat to their big, powerful groups.
so about the DKDKTV issue. I believe it was last year but honestly time blurs for me, but dkdktv did a podcast with a journalist that started a rumour about BTS that could have truly damaged them and impacted their career, the journalist also shaded BTS a hell lot through twitter and could never take ARMYs clapping back and could never own up for the sht they said, so in the podcast they said sht like how BTS should stop releasing music to let other groups shine bcs it was their time now, though they backtracked bcs they made more content out of BTS than other groups, so, ARMY clappedback and tho David apologized, Danny got really heated and started telling armys we were "pc police", "btches", "Fck you", etc etc. I unsubscribed, I do still watch some videos, but I can't fully support two-faced people.
Well DKDKTV are cancelled by many kpop fandoms. Armys cancelled them because they tried twisting so many of BTS narrative. For example, in one of the video they said "people are exhausted that bts are getting so much exposure and that other idols/groups should get a chance" in short they were indirectly hinting that BTS should stepback and give others a chance (as if it's in BTS' hands). They also dragged BTS' bodyguards for doing their job of protecting BTS and you may ask why? 'Cause they couldn't meet BTS lol. Like this they've dragged Blackpink and other K-pop idols too that's why many people are mad at them but regardless of that I have to say their explanation videos are the best so please don't give up and keep reacting to their explanation videos
In a live stream, Dkdktv took a shot at BTS with the help of a "journalist" who started a malicious rumor about them and when ARMY responded, his colleague started to insult us(Saying stuff, like snowfkakes, PC police,F...you.) The one in this video got scared because they were loosing subscribers and apologized for his partner behavior. He's playing now but wasn't that day. Here's a quick recap czcams.com/video/yd_urLf1SyI/video.html
My mans gave me a whole link! I'm spending the rest of the day on this pettiness! Bless you my child!
@@AmariLeone oh, i am way older than you, bro. 😂😉💜💜💜💜
what danny did was really unprofessional I can understand where he came from being attacked by so many armys but at the same time, he shouldn't have said those things it just made everything worse for himself. poor david
@@Khronos_Rule it was childish and stupid, specially after using so much BTS content for getting subscribers.
@@lanoirauderickybangcock4299 Nah you're young at heart!
Can you react to 'Baepsae' and 'Spine Breaker' by BTS? Both songs have great social commentary and we have an explanation video for both the songs by DKDKTV. I'm sure you'll love the songs.
When he reference the deaths(suicides) that happen that year, I actually cried. Because Sulli (Fx) & Goo Hara (KARA) hit me hard when they happened. I knew them as singers and actors. I hated/HATE comments before this but because of them I was so angry at trolls who have nothing better to do than destroy peoples self esteem. When Sulli happened I had just re watched Beautiful You the week before.
It was so much fun again :D I love the little community you already gathered ;)
I can't wait until you start reacting to their live performances because they are LIT
Yeah I've heard I'm just tryna actually hear the songs before I see them performed ya know?
@@AmariLeone I get you, I think that's the way to go. When you already know what the song is about it's easier to enjoy the visuals and live vocals and you will see the differences between recorded and live version. There is a reason we say they are even better live. THE ADLIBS *sigh* ... well we all know they eat the CD's for breakfast, dinner and lunch x) but when they start to change notes or switch up who sings which part and so on...GOOSEBUMPS I swear :D
Although I didn't follow the drama too much since i wasn't subscribed to their channel. I think that guy's friend said that he's too tired of seeing bts succeeding that much and that they need to step down and have new faces pop up. Which is smth we've been hearing since 2016 and it doesn't make sense because
1-we are not really blocking anyone from succeeding. We are not trending hate tags nor making petitions to the government to get other groups to disband (which is stuff that happened to bts multiple times already) those groups just need to release good music and have fans who support them and they'll succeed
2-it's hypocritical for them to say that when they make huge profits off of bts's name, they could easily just stop talking about them and promote the other groups they want to see
3-no one had a problem when the industry was literally under the control of the big 3 (the once most powerful companies in the kpop industry)for example: no one had any problems seeing only big 3 winning all the awards for years. But then bts becames the first not from the first 3 to win a big award and by their third award people already started complaining that they are creating a monopoly on the industry and are ruining it for other groups when in fact, the flux of kpop groups entering the us market after bts is proof that bts managed to break the doors to the west and provide way more opportunities to kpop groups than just an already way too oversaturated korean or japanese market
Please excuse my english if I made mistakes it's not my first language
Welllllll now you know some of that tea soooooo you're really *really* family now 😄😄
I'm not sure if it lets you know about this but my youtube deems you as a "top commenter" which means you're of the people who's received one of the highest number of hearts from me so that should tell you how i feel about you lol
Looove the enthusiasm! You are so funny 😆
Thank you for taking the time to dig into the phenomenon that is BTS. I don’t think you’re getting cancelled any time soon; we’re not a rabid fandom, but we are incredibly protective, it is true. The one thing in this fandom I can’t condone is the solos/mantis/delulus who forget their place as fans and shove their fantasies down other people’s throats... but then again I don’t call them ARMYs... The loss of trust is the biggest hurt, and there has been (and still happens) quite a few occasions. It does make us weary. But unless you say something offensive regarding the boys, I’ll keep enjoying watching your journey into the rabbit hole; reminds me too much of my own🤣 보라해🤟🏻💜🤟🏻Can’t wait for the next video
I enjoy their explained videos. And I enjoy your reaction as well! I just find it hilarious that they wanted other groups to gain spotlight but bts is the main group they make explained videos for. To be honest not a lot of other kpop artists have this kind of content to talk about and that’s just the truth. No shade, just stating a fact. People do take it too far and don’t know where to put their negative energy... tragic. Anyways it’s fun seeing you fall in love with the rapline, I knew it was only a matter of time!
*unless you're Bakugo, but he's got a whole 'nother problems* lmaoooo
I've been watching your journey down this rabbit hole since the first BTS reaction video and I've been enjoying your reaction a lot! it's just that you've mentioned Bakugo so I can't help myself from commenting because that cracked me up.
thanks for sharing your thoughts on their music! it's always great to see reactions like yours 💜
I love #Bakugoat but my blasty boy got some issues (he has grown a lot but you get my point)
@@AmariLeone ikr? his character development is one of the best in bnha and i love it! still rough around the edges, but he's calmer than his first appearance in the show.
@@lexkingston8604 As he becomes less murderous he becomes more like me & then I start to like him more & more (wow that sounded narcissistic lmao)
If only the anime didn't cut some of his best scenes smh... I'm still salty about that...
@@andreacapotorto9141 did they? i haven't watched the anime yet, only the manga and even that's not finished yet, so i wouldn't know.
Namjoon said with Mic Drop it’s be the last time he addressed the haters directly. He’s kept his words, since after that we’ve gotten Tear, which has nothing to do with haters, and now UGH that isn’t really at the haters, but at anger.
Every time I watch them explain "UGH!" I love the meaning behind the song
Glad you got to know the song better with the explanation behind the lyrics for Ugh. You’re funny too lol. Just a side thought, please don’t let toxic people define 30+ million fans. I’m sure you know this, but it’s not unlike a handful of people from a certain ethnic group act/behave a certain way do not define a whole race. At least for me, I’m not here for unnecessary hate and drama. I’m here for the love of enjoying BTS and music together!
Take care of yourself I hear that cough, you told us you work in the health field so I know your out there fighting but do take care of you!
Thank you love it's appreciated!
I was waiting for an anime reference instead you spat out Gossip Girl, Zoey101, One Tree Hill. What a line up! ROTFL 🤣🤣🤣
I also mentioned bakugo, don't worry ya boy is defintely still weebing but yasss lol Zoey 101 doesn't even match the other 2 I was gonna say 90210 but I was like fuck that Zoey need some love!!!!
I actually used to be a big supporter of their channel, and at that time the people who were following them we’re very like close knit (and many of us are still really close friends) even with Danny and David but there were just some things that i couldn’t support (like a three strikes your out kinda thing and it wasn’t about fandom stuff cause I’m sure ppl told you about that as well lol) So while I love dkdktvs explained series and some other vids I had to kinda quietly stop supporting them personally. But yeah ppl put way too much effort into hating rather than just moving on with their life.
I really don’t understand how you get hate ?? Who do I need to talk to fr 😠
Hi Friend! I hope that you are resting well 💜🌷 Your reactions have been so much fun that I won’t even complain too much about how long you are making us wait! Teasing you and hoping that you are taking care of yourself and those that you care about! Thanks for giving us something fun to look forward to 💜🎹💜
Dkdktv do have some informative explanation videos and army’s really liked them and supported them, they grew their channel with the help of us and the bts content they’ve made, but some time ago they decided they want to give a platform to a journalist who spread nasty things about bts and we were really disappointed about the things they’ve said in that podcast.
We really supposed them and when they started agreeing with that bts hater we felt kinda betrayed.
We noticed that he kept saying that we’re hateful towards them “with no reason” and that our anger is wasted but we did have a reason, and a pretty good one, you can’t say the things they did about something we care so much, about something that basically gives you money without receiving backlash.
a video i really want to suggest is bts’ contribution to music! it’s made by xceleste (the same one who made bts from nobodies to legends) and it showcases not only how the members contribution to their music production and writing but also how they contribute to music as a whole with their songs. i think you would really enjoy the video and hopefully learn some new information about bts 💛 keep up the absolutely amazing reactions!
Honestly I don't think there's one specifc reason fro the hate BTS recieves, but just living ur life in general can bring haters. Idk exactly why they feel so strongly about a boy group but ur right.
-quite a bit of the hate is from jealous people that can't stand seeing BTS gaining global success.
-but sometimes there's no real reason to it, some ppl just have shit going on in their lives and they feel the need to tear others down to feel superior.
-and sadly, a big portion of the hate we're seeing towards BTS now is a result of ignorance, racism, and the ethnocentric ideas of America and other parts of the world. If you grow up in America, and you've lived your life learning about American culture, and history, there's a high possiblity that when you directly experience other cultures that seem unfamiliar, the first reaction is usually negative.
i say that bc 5 years ago i used to criticize my friend for being into BTS and i just remember being extremely confused by the idea of K-pop and i refused to listen to it because i was'nt used to it so i thought "it must be bad"
and over the summer I became a hardcore ARMY and i still regret that i ever made fun of them. I just remember how happy my friends and I would get when BTS got played on the radio. And then all of a sudden they were doing more interviews and coming to America and we were so happy they were getting recognition.
And then they were on live TV and selling out arenas and I seriously am so proud of how far they've come. They deserve every amount of success that they have, and I believe that BTS has the talent to become a household name. Where everybody knows who they are, and when they finally get equal representation for their achievements.
I just found your channel last night and have binged all of your BTS content!!! I hope more people find you soon, you are one of the most insightful reactors I have come across, you deserve so many more subs 💜
Thank you I appreciate it!
@@AmariLeone my pleasure! can't wait to see what's next
dkdktv deserved ARMYs anger. but others have already explained.
We and BTS constantly get used and then trashed and sometimes theres a limit as to how much you can take of that. Early in BTSs career, ARMYS lay down and took what people threw at them and chanelled their anger into BTS's sucess...now the fandom is bigger and we can fight back. Kpoppies dont like that at all. BTS went from someones "neighbourhood drum" to the group with the most supportive and pasionate and defensive fandom. Make it Right MV and the words from the boys have constantly thanked us for that. As we say BTS and ARMY only have each other.
And kpopies hate that too, when RM said at the Grammys "ppl hate on us but we have Army so we don't care" kpop tw got MAD mad
I both like your videos and I like the people that comment. I have been following BTS for awhile and watch DKDKTV but didn't see that podcast. Thank you all for the info.
Here's the podcast of Danny and Tamar, people were commenting czcams.com/video/EwfKM4kpu_s/video.html
The people who Ive been around who hate BTS, don't know anything about them. Before I liked BTS, I was around the people who disliked them, most of the people just insulted them by calling them "gay pop". Others hated them because of their 'crazy' fans... But all the fandoms have creepy people in them... So idk what they're on about. If they hate the fandom they can still like them and their music. I think they just want to hate them for no reason cause they don't understand how they are so big and don't want them to be. 😔 These are just about the haters which I've been around though, there's haters that do way worse and are racist, but I don't pay attention to that.
Yessss, with the internet the hate you get is multiplied and you get it all the time, especially when you are famous. I hate it when people diminish pain just because they are public figures or because they are rich.
All that happened is that one of the people on this channel dared to say that it would be nice to see other K-Pop acts come to the forefront because all you hear about is BTS. That's ALL. And people went ape shit and started sending him death threats. It's exactly what the song is about. Wasted anger. I watched the podcast and couldn't believe people made such a big deal about it.
Thanks for watching the video I love those guys they do an excellent job I'm not sure what happened but like I always say most ARMY are AWESOME !
people hate on bts for all kinds of reasons, and a lot of it depends on where you are. i can only speak personally to what i've seen in the west, but there's a lot of racism and toxic masculinity because people find their looks to be "too feminine". there have been furious conservative op eds about how kpop is going to make men gay, which as a queer man i find personally hilarious.
the most baffling and infuriating to me though is the hate from within the fandom itself. some solo stans will attack other members, and unfortunately some parts of the fandom feel so entitled to control every aspect of their lives. they lash out any time a member does something they don't approve of (like getting tattoos or trying to have a normal social life when there are dating rumors). they're a small percentage of the fandom but they tend to all band together so they can get pretty loud.
The things you learn in the comment section on u tube. 👏 thank you for your reaction and for spending your time exploring their lyrics and getting to know them. I’m enjoying each of ur videos thank u so much 🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜
Thank you! :')
You had me cracking up wanting to know what happened with him (David) & why he was ranting and as I read in the comments, ARMY’s are filling you in. I myself didn’t know what had happened. Loving your reactions.
YOU NEED TO GET YOUR OWN SHOW OR A PODCAST!!!! Your positive energy makes me laugh every time!
Haha thank you I appreciate it!
I love Korean Dramas! It was actually after watching my first Korean drama in 2009 that I discovered Kpop. I have been hooked since on both Kdramas and Kpop. I have probably seen a thousand dramas. But unlike RM who only used the Friends series to learn English I have a pathetic small number of words I know and recognize in Korean.
I also started in 2009 💜😮💜
Ah I can't wait x.x the last premiere was so short I already miss everyone T.T
Yeah it's like 13 1/2 minutes which people will still complain about: "The video is only 4 minutes long, why is this video so f***ing long!?"
@@AmariLeone people are crazy!!! I love that you stop the video to tell us how you feel! It shows that you are truly interested and not doing this for clout
Can't believe we already have a community :D
See you in a few hours, Jenova!
@@tildatiger heeey tilda
@@tildatiger You can't? Shit I can't lmao, also thought about making you guys moderators to the chat for premieres
Honestly I think the DKDKTV case was blown out of proportion. They joked about things that maybe wasn't the best thing to joke about but it's in keeping with their other content so I don't think they were making an exception to shade BTS. They also kind of debated (at least, I wasn't following the, so Idk if there were other incidents) whether BTS' influence is becoming TOO big, or if it's good for the kpop scene. They voiced different opinions and I think everyone's allowed to have opinions and talk about them. I don't expect everyone to only think of BTS first. If the ARMYs who engaged had come back at them with just differing opinions in the debate, that would have been one thing, but there was a lot of the kind of hate UGH! refers to, too.
Honestly David didn’t deserve what he got because of Danny’s constant need to be different , so I understand if he’s pissed bc he truly loves bts as well
I honestly pity David coz he's getting hate from what Danny did. That man is a pure ARMY.
Listen to Outro Tear, Baseline, August D, Joker, Airplane Pt1, Daydream, and all Cyphers 1-4 (espically 4 bc it’s the best) 💜 for rap line. For vocal line Paradise, HOME, Love Maze, Stigma , Singularity, Lie, Pied Piper, Dimples, Let Me Know, Tomorrow, Serendipity, and House of Cards.
This channel(dkdktv) shaded BTS and armys with a kpop journalist on their podcast insuinating that BTS constant release of music makes it harder for other groups to shine & they should let them. Like apparently ppl wanted new music in kpop community. And much more. It was a whole mess. when armys responded with facts and logic(some were emotionally angry) they were rude instead of apologising for the insensitive remarks they made. Anyway I don't support these kind of people who ride on other people's hard-work only to turn and shit on them. I loved your reaction though. It's always fun to watch new people becoming armys. I hope you are having a good day!
Stay safe and take care! 😊
Check out Audre Lorde's work entitled, “The Uses of Anger: Women Responding to Racism” !!!! When I first heard UGH!, it brought that paper back to my mind.
Ballu Kaur An intellectual in the comments...how serendipitous. Just looked into Lorde because of you and my my my what a woman! Thank you.
The gem I stumbled across when I wasn’t looking. Thank you. Really. I feel I needed to see your comment. Thank you.
Yet all too often, guilt is just another name for impotence, for defensiveness destructive of communication; it becomes a device to protect ignorance and the continuation of things the way they are, the ultimate protection for changelessness.
As I’m reading I’m finding so many ways I can use her insight in my professional practice.
@@janshi876 You're welcome! The paper really resonated with me when I first read it (and the times after).
Although I've been an ARMY for a while now, their lyrics always get to me and I'm always like *HOW IN THE WORLD DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT* I mean, almost all the lines in the songs have wordplays and like HOW?
You should react to the rap line's Cypher series. I think you'd really like them.
Absolutely living for your videos. Thanks so much for giving us some amazing quarantine entertainment! I love seeing BTS for the first time through your eyes, your point of view is fantastic. xo.
Thank you love! I appreciate it!
I still think people should take DKDKTV beef with army with a grain of salt. I will keep watching their explanations and their kpop news videos because they're informative, watching them doesn't mean i'm a fan. It's just content that i can consume just because. No need (at least for me) to get profound in what they do right or wrong, i know that when it comes to supporting BTS my real effort as a fan should be directed at them and not the haters or creators that mess up. Sometimes silence provides a heavier impact than speech does.
In regards to DKDKTV, I see a lot of other commenters explaining the situation but I would like to clarify one point. DKDKTV is a duo. The other half of the duo (Danny) was the only member of DKDKTV who was on the podcast that caused all the drama. He is also very unfiltered and hasn't been the biggest fan of BTS or ARMY in the past. David (the guy in this video) is clearly a huge fan of BTS and is much more open minded/filtered. He's the one that has to clean up Danny's messes when he causes drama.
When the whole situation happened, David was dragged through the mud because of his association with Danny and his partnership in the channe. Since then though, David has created his own channel and makes more videos on his own that express very different opinions from Danny.
That's probably why David is so angry in this video particularly. He didnt really do anything to warrant the hate he got or the impact it had on his career.
The people who furiously hate on DKDKTV are exactly the people who inspired UGH! in the first place.
The hate is from the companies threatened by bts' success. And also fandoms of groups that had been knocked off their top positions by bts. Or even fandoms who think that bts are stealing their limelight. An early source of hate were from the rm & suga's peers. Then there's just prejudiced idiots who know nothing but just hating bts because bts is asian, wear makeup, good looking & successful.
The worst thing someone can do is to rile ARMY when we are unemployed. Lol. When we get bored, we are a massive hornet's nest if someone comes for BTS. People have lost their jobs when saying racist things about the boys. They will find your job, where you live, your university...and they'll let someone in your life know what a terrible person you've been. (Not you personally). NOTE: this is over major stuff, not petty arguments) There are news sites that report on what ARMY is up to on Twitter. It's kind of surreal sometimes. To put it into perspective, we have over 400M Twitter interactions in the last 3 months. Donald Trump is #2 with 105M.
We. Run. This. House. 👏👏😂😂
meh that thing of DKDKTV vs Army really illustrates this song in my opinion. Both guys on dkdktv have always praised BTS for their music/message and also like the BTS members themselves. They got a ton of critics when Danny who is the most outspoken and "controversial" did a podcast with a Billboard journalist that apparently Army has beef with. During the podcast they kinda criticized the Bighit (BTS's company) content strategy, especially that app game that they released last year that they felt didn't fit with BTS's message. And they were also talking about how BTS being so dominant in the Kpop market disrupted the cycle of Kpop groups being dominant then fading from spotlight when someone else debuted or made a come back etc. so there was more variety at the top and now BTS just trumps everyone and that leads to some people getting tired of the overexposure.
Honestly they didn't even really criticize BTS themselves but i guess more of the marketing/content strategy? all in all it's a pretty interesting podcast if you wanna listen to it : czcams.com/video/EwfKM4kpu_s/video.html But a lot of Army got really mad and offended by it because the DKDKTV channel grew a lot because of BTS content. There was a mass unsubscribe campain and the guys got "cancelled" and harassed on social media etc. The two guys, are/were media students, worked in recording companies and have some ties with the media and entertainment industry in Seoul so i guess they have a different perspective than adoring fans but they never hated on BTS , overall they are actually very supportive of them so i don't think they deserve the hate at all.
I like how you took a pretty neutral stance on your comment!
@@AmariLeone thanks. I love BTS and obviously i like it when people like them and treat them as serious and capable artists (which they are). But if we want genuine reactors like you or genuine media coverage, then we can't expect 100% adulation all the time and that's fine.
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🤣 he is mad you are right 😂
So. From what I know, the other David is the one who started the whole thing. He had an interview with this one lady who writes articles for billboard. Army absolutely hate her... reason: she always downplays bts. She always throws them under the bus but created her career thru them. Anyways. Other David had this interview with her and the topic of conversation upset army. Basically, they said bts needs to move aside and let new faces come out. This was a problem bc, 1. She always sounds like she got paid by the opposite company to write crap about bts. So this is more of that. She is again telling bts to move aside. 2. He agreed with her.
People sent stupid comments out of anger. Then this david got in there and said some stuff he should have not said. I don’t remember what it was but it added wood to the fire...
Reason why army get angry: bts has always been shut down by the industry. Both in Korea and the US. People always use them for clout and then throw them under the bus. People are constantly hoping for them to fail. And thru all this they get soooo much hate. Maybe at some point you will hear all that drama.
What I think they tried to say but failed miserably was: as Koreans they want korea to do well. This means support for anything korean. Aka support ALL kpop and let others “shine”.
Again the problem from this was, the kpop industry and fans hate bts and army and send all the hate this song is about. If you only know.. sent nazis against us, bomb and death threats. Like it’s crazy. So kpop rides on bts success and tries to insert themselves and at the same time try to get bts to move out of the way. There is so much history...
And yes so much petty 😂
Let me know if you have any questions 😂
Literally can't wait to watch this 💜🤣
when everybody just want to know whats the hype about BTS but end up falling dead flat into BTS BLACKHOLE 💜💜💜
Hopefully you enjoyed it!
@@AmariLeone definitely enjoyed it 💜
Enjoyed watching the explanation video again!
Well haters are secret army's coz they pay more attention on BTS than streaming jng their faves mv hahahaha
Just want to thank hater also coz they always contribute in buying bts albums and post videos of them destroying it on their social media but still they bought bts albums, they arw also updated when BH will post BTS MV and be the first one to dislike 🤣🤣🤣
There are some people who sees other people shine and soar up so they try to hit them with a rock to fall( sh**ty words to hurt them)
Last yr there were some people threw hate on dkdktv Danny and made David apologize to people
but i forgot what was issue about ✌️😅😅
Today I found your channel and I am glad
I don't know why your channel has little subscription...you are genuine reactor not like others who wants views and subscription and then moved to other kpop and forget about BTS.
How someone could forget these boys is beyond me!
About the incidents with k-pop idols last year. There was suicides among idols because of the hate towards them. Internet users in Korea are so captious (actually, not only in Korea, but since idols mostly read comments in korean) for some meaningless things. And journalists often worsen a situation without sorting out the problem. Basically, it's because idols are usually considered as some items that can earn money for their company. So there are certain prejudices of how idols should look, speak and act. Some big companies kicked out their own idols if they start to act like they want and tried to do everything to not allow them to be successful. So, going back to the suicide theme, because of the injustice and not receiving the support from their own companies, we lost such talented artists.
Recently, more and more idols taking a break in their career because of the mental health (meaning haters will never stop). BTS know this, since they are part of this crazy world called "entertainment". They are one of the few group who openly can talk about such theme as haters.
If you remember in "Ddaeng" Suga talked about "friends from small companies and hope that they will succeed" (I don't remember the exact lyrics). They always support idols from small companies because they relate to them and they always say that there are lots of unrecognized great artists. Actually, the idols from big and small companies are very friendly among each other. The problem is in the companies itself. Thankfully, BigHit is a great company which treat them so good and protect their rights. "As previously announced, we have submitted evidence collected through fan submissions and our own monitoring to the relevant investigative agency. We have secured the identities of a number of suspects, and some have been fined, while other suspects are under investigation. Although it is difficult to disclose the details of the investigation process at the request of the investigative agency, we wish to notify you that punishments are being given to those involved. There have been cases where suspects appointed attorneys to apologize and ask to come to a settlement, but we will neither make settlements nor give any leniency under any circumstances." These activities spread only in Korea, but I hope that that will be able to punish those haters around the world who hide behind their masks in social media.
Remember the incident in the beginning of their career when hip-hop peers judged them? The main character in this situation was a jerk called B-free. He did it again and then the CEO of BigHit Bang ShiHyuk (a.k.a Bang PD a.k.a Hitman Bang) couldn't tolerate it and came to the CEO of B-free's company. Poor B-free's CEO apologized for B-free. So, what I'm trying to say is that thanks god for Bang PD being so brave and careful.
It's my the longest comment😅 and I hope that there's no dozens of mistakes because english is not my native language 🤗
Yeah I figured by the way he worded it that this was something to do with suicide from bullying.
David was talking about the harmful comments towards some kpop idols the were depressed and under a lot of pressure and committed suicide last year following being targets from hateful netizens. It happens a lot. Shinee's Jonghyun committed suicide 12/18/2017. He was a brilliant singer and such a swell guy. It was a terrible loss. South Korea actually has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. You can watch videos of stars from Korea that have died each year (of all causes but mostly suicide).
I took a Anger Managing class many years ago after I contacted a detective to report someone was abusing my kids. Anger is a neutral feeling. It simply means we feel pain. We are wounded. It isn't bad to feel anger. What is bad is the choices that are made in a result of the anger. Ideally we would choose something that would bring on the healing process which will also resolve the pain. But people that are abusive go in cycles. They thrive on turning their pain around and targeting someone else and controlling them and making them hurt. They believe they are totally justified in their violent attacks and even blame the victim. There is a brief cycle of them playing innocent, bring flowers, making up before bringing out another cycle of attacks. It is a vicious circle.
Think about this. This song is part of a map of the soul concept. So I think the rappers chose to visit the anger side of ourselves from that aspect. And this represents what makes them angry. We need to face all sides of ourselves. And we need to stick up for the folks that are having trouble doing so for themselves.
And these rappers dealt with hella crap to get to where they are, being they had a hip hop thing going. They were criticized and hammered. So I think that hate stemmed from there early on. And RM and Suga write a good bit of lyrics and they write what they feel and see, so it was the path they were given. They took all that hate and bull and produced fire. 🔥
The problem is that even if Army cancels DKDKTV, they're still the only channel providing explanations based off of a korean perspective but still with a lot of deep and thorough research. Plus David is an army even if he's defended Danny who's said some sus things, and ppl also tend to escalate things more than they need to be, and Danny (the other guy) just likes being a troll in general. They're still providing these explanation videos that we watch even if they dont profit much off of them because of copyright...
haha! i love how you really nerd out over their content and serious about learning the meaning of everything! if you want a hype song of BTS shitting on their haters, you'll need to react to Mic Drop!
I just wanna say I love you and I love your reactions. I love your input in everything and anime related stuff 😉. I totally don't understand why some people go to some extent to ask someone to kill themselves...like, what do they get out of it? Anyway, I'm glad af I clicked that first BTS reaction you did and found your channel (and subscribed)... You really made my day with your reaction 💜 Thank you so much 💜💜💜. You nice, keep going 👍 Take care of yourself too...
You subscribed after the first BTS video!? You the real MVP (I'm not crying, you're crying shut up!) :")
@@AmariLeone sure Esaveo, I'll shut up... 😌. Shouldn't you be sleeping right now? Idk...
@@jann.92. Yes but instead I'm waiting on my video to upload lol
@@AmariLeone you're such a hard-working person... But don't forget to take care of yourself too... We will definitely watch your videos no matter when you upload... 💜
"Sometimes you just walk off the plank like a pirate" is my new favorite phrase. XD
Haha I've been looking for a way to include a pirate reference in my videos for like 2 months no lie
David is a Army i have seen in comments of his DKDKTV of people being so hurtful towards him . He honestly dislikes Drama well everyone does , i think it hurts him more when immature toxic Army's attack him those kind of Army's is best to ignore . I'm Army i enjoy and like David channel . I really enjoyed your Reaction especially to BTS. There will be toxic Army's coming at you for dumb & stupid reason but let it pass they got nothing better to do . Do you be happy and keep up with your Reaction video's 🙂💜💜
5:25 if im not mistaken that clip is from a movie called The Dude In Me.
* Edit: omfg this is so long, enjoy the tea. I just used 'we' instead of 'ARMY' bc I got tired of typing it, it just represents my observings of ARMY on twitter *
DKDKTV said BTS was being pushed down people's throats and BigHit was releasing too much BTS content so then other Kpop acts in the industry couldn't get any attention because of that.
My opinion is on that is that people just genuinely like BTS in every aspect and there is no other artist or kpop group like them, also they work extremely hard to give back and entertain people with a lot of content and music. It's not BTS or ARMYs fault that other acts aren't as popular.
They collaborated with a problematic journalist many times as well that ARMY does not trust at all and basically released a podcast talking down on BTS's successes. Kind of weird since DKDKTV popularity also stems mostly from BTS related content. After all those incidents DKDKTVs numbers have been dropping and I guess there are more haters.
It was mostly the other guy of DKDKTV though, the duo is David and Danny. David is the one you saw in the video and he's a good guy, Danny is controversial though having gone on cursing rants online after ARMY called him out. David then came to apologize for everything, the sweet guy but he was pretty late with that.
I completely forgot about all of this, lmao it took a while for me to recall it. I hope you see why we did what we did. We ain't want nobody stepping on BTS for reasons like that, we are pretty forgiving and we generally don't get offended or mad at criticism. We still have our rotten apples in the fandom, but we don't claim them.
We are petty meme creators though, so if you get on our bad side then your face is everywhere on the internet. One of my favourites is playing tictactoe on boomers foreheads.
When I discovered DKDKTV, I really appreciated their informative videos (like their explain videos) and their updates on what is happening in the Korean media. From their videos, it is clear that Danny and David have different personalities and sometimes even clash with one another on certain topics.
The controversial issue is that sometimes their commentary can be a bit careless. Because they are known for their informative videos, their credibility in understanding aspects of the Kpop industry, and for having an international audience (not just a Korean following), my concern is that viewers and other media sources will take certain things that they say as fact without doing further research.
Here's is the podcast czcams.com/video/EwfKM4kpu_s/video.html
between DKDKTV Danny and Tamar that some Armys had commented upon.
I see a few people have already recommended Baepsae and Spine Breaker, definitely check those out with the explained videos.
N.O. is another one with a strong message. It's from 2014, but they have always been consistent in calling out what they see as unjust to our generation.
Mic Drop is a mix of a bragging song and a diss track.
I'll explain and go into the rapper's mix tapes some other time, there is a a lot to discuss there lol.
I know you have been going on with the rap line, but an amazing song worth checking out is 00:00 (Zero O'clock). It is only the vocal line, but RM wrote the lyrics for it. Louder Than Bombs is another one. Both of these are from the new album. No MV, you would have to watch the lyric videos, I can link them to you if you need it.
Loving your channel!👏
About the haters.. or fan wars. One thing that was hard for me to wrap my head around is that Korean kpop fans are really over-the-top compared to US fans. The nearest comparison I can make is with sports. Putting Red Sox and Yankee fans in the same room is probably a mistake. Same goes with certain fandoms. And, if you think about it, the internet is one big room. So, for your sake, never compare kpop groups or you will be lighting a fuse.
Korean fandoms get triggered over what sometimes seems to me to be trivial things. I remember at one award show a certain fandom became outraged at where their kpop group was seated. They felt that another kpop group had 'taken their place.'.... and the war between the different fandoms began...
Fans will also organize to make group protests and all sorts of other activities. And certain companies are rather infamous for igniting their own fandoms to go after another company's groups. Sigh.
Cracked up watching this😂😂
I love your reactions, I’ve been an army for about a year now. You should also react to live versions of their songs, especially black swan and on.
Is it finally time for Blood Sweat and Tears, I wonder? 😏
Honestly, i'd love to see him react to the whole storyline (BU)
@@xy1784 I’m sure we all do. But we should also remember not to pressure him, so that he isn’t overwhelmed! All in due time.
I'm not going to put more because ppl have explained more than enough, but because of those suicides, companies are cracking down on internet trolls. Most recently they're suing a 9yr old who accused one of the members of sexually harassing her favorite female kpop idol. BH has made it clear that no concessions will be made because of the erroneous nature of the accusations that were completely unfounded and utterly ridiculous. It's divided the fandom a bit because of the fact that she's a minor, but ppl have also reminded others that a false accusation such as this can ruin a career. There's also been a lot of death threats along with traditional cyberattacks which even shut down BTS concerts/fanmeets before so right now, the company has had it and is taking it seriously.
Since we are on this trend, we need to add Baepsae to the list
I’m an example for this. When I became a BTS fan, I posted online why I love them, how they helped me, and shared their songs. One of my family members misunderstood me, and threatened me. She told me that if I post anything about BTS, she’ll tell everyone that I am nothing but a whore. And all because I said on Facebook that Jungkook is as sexy as hell. I guess freedom of speech doesn’t apply to me.
Yes I love that you split it some things can't be split but for the songs and explanations I personally like it separately
Great💜
Thank you!
Many korean idols male and female comitted suicide because of too much internet attacks ... And these people are even great singers and song writers..... That's what the lines are pointing out.
React to BTS best high notes compilation.