Why Luffy Still Needs To Be The One To Defeat Big Mom
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Most of the arguments I see against this are essentially "Luffy vs Big Mom would be boring", "I don't want him to beat all the Yonko". Those are personal preferences, but I'm talking about storytelling principles, which is a different discussion.
And to anyone saying "then shouldn't Kid be the one to defeat Kaido instead of Luffy?" No, as I clearly explain in the ending section of the video that what matters most is which character's *narrative* has most clearly been shaped around a certain fight, not just "who wants it more". Luffy vs Kaido has far, far more narrative emphasis, focus, and build up around it than Kid vs Kaido, even though Kid does also want to defeat Kaido.
Oda has been very unpredictable recently, and has been straying away from conventional storytelling. The raid should have failed because that would’ve made a more interesting story, however this now seems extremely unlikely given the current circumstances.
Similarly, Luffy should’ve fought Big Mom, but it seems that Oda wanted to divert from expectations. At this stage, a Luffy vs. Big Mom fight would just not work in favor of making a better story, even if that’s what we initially expected.
So basically you want your own personal preferences?
good video, thank you.
@@yousefabdullah5982 Straying from conventionak storytelling, even if that was truly the case , does not mean it's for the better though. There is a reason some things are being passed down since the early days of storytelling, they work. If you replace the wheels of your car with triangular ones it will surely subvert our expectations but it will hinder the performance of your car as well. Subverting expectations for the sake of it is not good storytelling.
I think it will still happen, in order to keep Luffy's promise to beat her to save fish man island, seeing how fighting Luffy has likely become a huge desire for BM, Luffy will give what she wants in a be careful what you wish for scenario
I think Big Mom is a prime example of how much it sucks to be caught up to One Piece. Oda is a master of long-term storytelling. I wouldn’t still be reading if he wasn’t. But when he’s juggling like 30 characters in the same arc, it can be hard to see the big picture week to week and so we end up with a lot of people with headass reactionary takes.
Personally, I’m gonna wait until the end of Wano to make a judgement call. I don’t wanna be a part of this whack ass trend of backseat storytelling. Oda, take me where you wanna take me. Then and only then will I decide what worked and what didn’t.
I feel the same, but it's fun watching all the talking heads run around like chickens every week or so when something major happens or a key tidbit gets dropped.
Cool message, but I’m the meantime we are reading weekly and out head is not gonna stop thinking. If u read something and u didn’t like it right away, u can’t just tell your brain to “not make a judgement” cause is a subconscious reaction. One can however stop from perhaps sharing that opinion but even then I don’t think is bad to share your reaction on something regardless of what happens next.
well said, morj is great at breaking down story structure but oda is a master of subversion. If morj was writing one piece it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is, and most of the things he disagrees with are what makes one piece special, or are pay offs for a future we never imagined. his constant attempts to lay a popular thematic structure over one piece kinda drives me crazy.
I completely agree
@@NotSteven01 That's the thing. This reactionary scene is relatively new. People used to just watch/read something, then wait until the next chapter/book/movie/installment to get answers. Even at the turn of the decade the most people did at the time was theorize at forums.
Having all these platforms, algorithms, & analytics now means that opinions from loud voices are gonna reach lots of people whether they want to hear it or not. Viewers flock to arguments that appeal to them, and opinions homogenize faster than ever.
It's fun being part of a community convo about the latest chapter. It's just that Morj and the others have a stake in talking about current events of pop culture like One Piece. It's their livelihood. It's not the same as just talking about it.
Recently Morj started a 2nd channel 'Movie Morj' & GLR has 'Dude in a Room.' They are looking at the future after One Piece. And in a place like YT, they have to keep talking. Not to say it's bad. But that's how it is, and it doesn't change that it can still get annoying at times.
It feels like most people in any sort of community just don't sit in the moment of reading/watching, enjoy, then put it down until the next chapter/episode. There's always a theory, analysis, or opinion nowadays. If it weren't for the fact people were making money from all this theory-crafting, it would be an obsession.
And to be a fan you can't just talk normally like people used to. You have to be REALLY into it and talk about it all the time. This non-stop conversation has moved the baseline of what it means to be a fan from liking something a lot to eating a huge chunk of your waking hours. This is current mainstream fandom culture.
It's rather bizarre when you think about how things were before and how it got here.
Urouge beating Shanks isn't random.
It's destiny.
Urouge is already top tier, who could even stop him ?
@@goldcreeper7376 Buggy.
@@dansheshe8039 Hey, we're talking about pirates here, not gods.
@@dansheshe8039 ok chill out man
Wasn't Urouge join kaido craw?! Why he not in wano!!
Morj vs "the raid succeding" might actually be the animosity most builded up ever. We all hope it checks the expectations and ends up being a good fight.
You can say that again.
All my homies want the raid to fail, f*ck the raid.
@@liftedmarco4976 I wanted and i would had prefered the raid to fail even before Morj made his first video about it for the first time, but at this point it's too late imo. We will might maybe still have a low and kinda critical point in the arc but it won't be the raid failing.
It's certainly a more interesting conflict than most of the fights in Act 3 of Wano ended up being.
luffy isnt going to let us down
I would like for Big Mom to grow up and realize what she did to Caramel. Would be nice character development.
I mean even if she knows what would that change ?
@@jarvisfowlkes3200 Learning to take responsibility and understanding she can't have everything she wants.
@Aaron Blanchard Notification squad.
It would be nice for big mom to become Olin and be a nice mother and eventually someone tries to bring big mom back but she actually faked amnesia and just wanted to be at at peace
@@qb4428 I 100% think this is what will happen. Oda already set it up, and if she goes to elbaf then what she did will come to light for sure
You keep such a strong literary element to your analysis that it keeps the notion of strength in writing/story telling. Thank you for keeping consistent
Brown nose brown nose
The Luffy/ Big Mom rivalry is extremely underrated.
One piece fans only appreciate attractive characters
@@waynicliz I Legitimately think it's because she's not traditionally "cool" looking
@@waynicliz big mom is still my favorite emperor
@@ryan0823smith I think Big Mom is a unique and cool character though with her homies and the crazy stuff she could do with them and her being able to steal from others or take her own lifespan. Her Devil Fruit powers are very broken and cool and she's like the Queen of Hearts from Alice In Wonderland with her temper and personality sometimes. She's literally a Disney villain in a manga which is awesome.
@@ryan0823smith same reason why they like kaido despite him being one of the worst written villains. Orochi, queen and kanjuro are all far better written but kaido looks 'cool' so that makes him good in many peoples eyes...
This wasn't necessarily a defeat for big mom, as she's only thrown off the island and not knocked out. You're right when you say luffy has more narrative and weight to it. But I have to say Luffy defeating every yonko is a bit crazy.
A challenge fit for the pirate king
It's horse shit. Luffy said he has to beat every Yonkou and every Admiral. If you think that's happening, you're absolutely mad.
She was conscious before the giant explosion... why does no one talk about the explosion?
The yonko literally exist as the "4 bosses" to defeat for Luffy to become Pirate King. It's like they are the gate keepers to get to Laugh Tale. Making one of them being defeated by others makes no sense.
The narrator literally says that she got defeated
It would be cool to see Luffy defeating Big Mom, but not on Wano. Many people wish (myself included) the next island to be Elbaf. It would be the perfect place for a Luffy vs Big Mom fight.
That works for me. Remove Kaido from Wano and then deal with Big Mom later. I doubt that they would have much if anything left to fight with after dealing with Kaido and the marines.
That would be pretty fitting, to be honest :0
Another role that I'm interested ins (in that island) is Usopp's one too, but Luffy could have to fight her, maybe (?)...
No, it would be the worst decision Oda could make.
next arc is wano 2.0
Wouldn’t that make Big Mom stronger than Kaido?
King of Lightning would love to see this video, but yeah i do agree though, Oda did not set up all that stuff between Luffy and Big mom for nothing.
Gintama pfp?
@@adityabhaskersrivastava5494 yeah Gintama is my favorite anime, One piece is my favorite manga lol
KOL would have a heart attack at any mentions of Kidd doing anything positive lmao
@@thevipez8740 I see 👍🏼
I would love to see shanks being defeated by Urouge like Morj said just to see KOL's reaction 🤣🤣🤣 (biggest shanks fanboy and he downplay Urouge)
It was pretty obvious from the fact she said "this isn't enough to end me." Also having her crew coming so they can get her out of Wano safely.
I don't think it was obvious at all... especially since it was followed by an explosion, if it is or not it is hard to say..... but the explosion could very well be "well, it wasn't...but this will do the trick"
This definitely isn't the end for Big Mom, I think this was just a convenient way to temporarily get her out of the picture, and back with her crew again. the last issue of Shonen Jump's cover stated that Wano's climax was coming; I think things are coming to a peak, and we're about to reach the other side of it. There's always an interim between arcs, and this very well may be headed towards the end of an entire Saga. I think BigMom will either return home to recuperate, or follow the Straw-hats after they Leave Wano (if the next arc is Elbaf then i definitely see the later happening more then the former).
Holy shit I never even thought of Big Mom coming back during Elbaf. If Shanks isn't there himself, then yeah the chances of Big Mom coming shoot through the roof.
Agreed, I doubt this will keep her down permanently. However, we did need a way to get her out of the battlefield and she can't return to it easily now until the island is back on the ground which will most likely happen when the battle with Kaido is over. Luffy did say that after he defeated Kaido that she would be next.
The cover of Shonen Jump has been saying "this is the climax" for more than 40 chapters lol. Also it was the same during the Tea Party, it said "the climax" literally every chapter and everyone was convinced the arc was about to end but the real climax hadn't even started yet.
im getting tired of seeing big mom.
tragedy/end of act 3 on april 1st btw
I think it was quite deliberate that when Caribou tells Luffy about the rumored animosity between Big Mom and Kidd, Kidd comes to make it clear that his animosity is with Shanks not her, as if Oda was telling us not to get it mixed up.
My prediction for what's going to happen is. Big Mom ends up leaving due to the arrival of Marines/Zunisha. Luffy defeats Kaido, everything else is resolved in Wano. Strawhats head to Elbaf where they meet Shanks. They have their Davy back fight. It demonstrates that both crews are on equal footing. Luffy returns the Strawhat. Then not only does Big Mom show up but so does Black Beard.(Not necessarily in an alliance) Luffy fights BM and wins however BB defeats/kills Shanks. Luffy takes the Strawhat back and pursues BB to defeat him at Laugh Tale or wherever Oda decides for their fight to take place.
I actually really like that on a first read. Gives a nice "small-scale" battle but with all the remaining big shot pirates involved, sets up luffy to be truly able to 1v1 a yonko (Big Mom), as well shows off the whole crew being able to hold their own in a contest against another yonko crew (Davy Back) and hypes up blackbeard as being someone who maybe reached strength even beyond that of the yonko before him.
Love this idea!! If Luffy beats Big Mom AND Kaido this arc, both emperors would feel weaker. It’s better to have each as the final boss of either Luffy or Kid+Law.
Giving BM space on Elbaf (a place in which she has more history with than Wano) would be the best way to have her fight Luffy!
i'm a fan of this
IM reveleance and void centure
After that, luffy becomes the pirate king and saves sabo, defeats akainu and imu-sama, destroys the red line, and brings the "dawn" to the world. somewhere in the middle of that the ancient weapons come into play
great analysis as always!
Every time Morj pronounces Urouge as “Yourowgh” I assume he is taunting me
I love how he doesn’t present us with wild theories out the show but just what he thinks bout the show. WE LOVE REVIEWS
I mean the raid failing is a wild theory tbh. Still, he is one of the good One Piece CZcamsrs
Even if I didn't believe the raid would fail, I would still want the raid to fail just to see the reactions.
Brooooo it will be crazyyyyy as faaaaakkkk. I gotta see sh*t going in the community im so hyped
The problem with the raid failing is the "what then"? It would be less on an issue if it failed at the start, but now even king and queen have been defeated.
I can however see the WG taking over as the "tragedy" to end the arq, if we are going with the whole "Play structure"...but Kaido? his whole crew is down
@@ricardokojin7 True. The raid failing theory doesn't hold any value at this point in the story clearly. Morj can basically taste the L that's coming to him lol
I'm a big fan of this channel and legit love the way you present and substantiate your argument/ thoughts on what's to come in the series or your thoughts on stand out chapters. Thank you for all the thought and hard work that goes into each video you make.
ty, i needed to be reminded of the things
I do agree they have to have a confrontation but I wonder if it'll be a full blown fight. I think her time as an antagonist is over. Maybe the resolution of their conflict will be something different.
That's exactly what will happen. There won't be a fight, it's simply unneeded after Law and Kid. They'll get their closure in another way.
We already seen all the abilities and what she and her crew can do (and they are definitely weaker than Kaido and his crew ; the hype was real back then since he was considered the stronger at the time, alongside with the superstars), so there's absolutely 0 hype and mystery surrounding her. That alone won't make any sense from a story pov since it is downgrade (the strawhats will probably obliterate big mom and her crew with their newly aquired abilities). On the other hand, blackbeard and his crew is the next big thing since there's so many questions surrounding their abilities
Yeah I can see that too. It doesn't have to be a fight, especially since Luffy will just have beaten Kaido. Maybe oda can change it up.
I see Morj's point, but personally I don't see how this theory can realisticaly coexist with the Yonko Kidd theory. In my mind, you have to take someone's spot in order to become an Yonko yourself. If Luffy defeats the two Yonko in a single arc we might throw the system away. The other supernovas won't be nowherer near the same level of feats as him.
I agree but maybe the bigger picture is that after luffy becomes pirate king there wont be a need for yonkos so it would make sense if luffy just defeated everyone and became the undisputed king
I can't stand this whole "system" bullshit. It's not a system. It's simply the 4 greatest pirates and crews in the world taking over certain territory. This isn't affiliated with the marines like the Warlords (the actual system that has been abolished). If Kid rises up and makes a strong enough crew, control territory and get his name out there like Luffy did. He could take Big Moms or Kaido's place as an Emperor.
@@radicalbish7345 That is just semantics, imo. You can call it whatever you like, I agree it is not a formal system. Even so, the Yonko are the four main containders for the title of Pirate King. If Luffy rises to the top by defeating two of them at the same time, I don't see a feat Kidd can pull of that makes him comparable to Luffy. I think we can agree that although no Yonko has the exact same power as the other, they are roughly comparable to each other. That is my point, there would be no space for a Yonko Kidd if Luffy defeats both Big Mom and Kaido, he would be an complete underdog in this race. And I am not even sure if I want Kidd to be a yonko, btw. I have no opinion on the matter. I just think the two theories don't fit together.
Not necessarily. The in world narrative effects things. If morgans and his goons find word that Big Mom got TKO’d by the time the WG arrives in Wano, it could easily happen that Kidd replaced her as Yonko. Yonko is an informal designation.
@@acetofresh1 following that logic Law will also be Yonko because of Morgan.
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love this video
I posted this on Reddit months ago:
This is my theory: Kid & Law will land blows that WILL deal damage to Big Mom soon and she will be weakened a BIT. At this point I believe the Big Mom Pirates will come and get her out of there. They won’t return home to WCI though, instead they’ll go to the next closest location which is Elbaf or nearby Elbaf. Big Mom will stay there for a bit to “recover”. At this point, Luffy will arrive to Elbaf and fight Big Mom. I believe she will be defeated on Elbaf since this is where her story started. We then find out the TRUTH of what happened to Mother Caramel and the village kids. This leads into my second theory: To acquire a DF without the fruit itself, you must eat a person’s HEART. I believe that’s how Big Mom acquired her DF powers after eating Mother Caramel and I believe Whitebeard had his heart taken out and eaten when Blackbeard got his powers. I believe Shanks will reveal this later in the story since he buried the body himself.
www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qdbc7w/one_piece_chapter_1029/hhmfmwd/?context=3
omg dayum nice theory
Yes!! I believe Kid and Law defeating Big Mom was just like Marco knocking the Big Mom pirates off the waterfall. The are removed from the fight therefore “defeated” but not in a permanent state.
Right, and even Robin BFR'd Big Mom once by herself. It's a recurring thing with Big Mom.
wasn't it king who knocked them off the waterfall?
Thank god I couldn’t find any good videos and Morj made a video
Goated video by morj 💯💯💯
I can imagine a scene where Luffy faces Big Mom and BM tries to steal souls but Luffy tells everyone not to be afraid because he's there. Big Mom with little to no souls left plus her injuries gets taken down by Luffy. That would be awesome!
Morj, what do you think about Big Mom’s “defeat” not being a battle? I feel like we’ve seen so much from her in a fight that the next logical character progression from her is a redemption. We gotta get her motivation on why she wants to be the pirate king and her “true origin” but other than that, i don’t see what else we need from her.
Honestly, i don’t see why else she would be in this arc if she’s just gonna end things with a fight with Luffy. If he beats Kaido then fighting her seems narratively repetitive.
Big Mom's crew still hasn't join the War
Oda gonna have long explanation in next SBS
Without Senzu Beans or healing is just impossible.
I think Luff already beat her down... morally, publicly. She bent her dignity to follow him like a crazy witch to other side of the world. She was drowned, imprisoned, immobilized, ridiculed and recently she showed her good personality traits too. I think she should become an ally of the Strawhats at least.
I am trying to write a story myself and you're always teaching me new things, much respect to you Morj.
Also just want to say Hi Morji and I hope you & loved ones doing great this year so far!
Morj gonna be malding hard when Shiryu offscreens Mihawk to become the Best Swordsman
Id be screaming
I'll stop watch One Piece honestly..
I feel like Enel is the closest Luffy comes to stealing someone else’s fight; as Wyper seemed to truly believe he would be the one to stop Enel up to the moment where he failed & his story was lined up to be the vengeance of years gone past, had he been able to stop enel
I literally always love and appreciate how firm you are on explaining what matters to you in storytelling and how it works ,
I just reread that chapter and wow I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t find it satisfying. Talk about unreal expectations. That take out was truly amazing. If anything I’d say the panelling wasn’t the clearest. So maybe some had trouble following it, as I did, but I reread it a few times to make sure I had everything for into place. But for the event itself, it was Super!
I wasn't disappointed about the chapter.
Still waiting for Elbaf soon.
Also the part that Big mom and Kaido teamed up to get an ancient weapon will be useless if they are defeated this early. Also the use of Caribou's knowledge of the superweapon will also be delayed or unused if it happens
They will be defeated this early. Them teaming up ain’t gonna happen
Yeah that did seem like a wasted plot line i guess caribou could still tell someone else about the ancient weapons like black beard or something but it would have been really cool to see kaido and big mom get it because it was somewhat set up
@@yutaoGOATsu236 It can be blackbeard too, but it'll be a reused plot with enemy trying to get a superweapon and caribou appearing out of nowhere conveniently.
Good video
wake up babe new morj video
Big Mom is definitely not done, but I think a lot of people including myself just want Big Mom out of the story. She has been here far too long and even though she held great narrative importance, many of us jumped on the train to rush her out with the theme of the up and coming new generation of pirates. I'm not a Big Mom hater, but I wonder what Oda has in store for Big Mom as a good portion of the audience finds Big Mom to be an incompetent joke. I also do not see her fighting Luffy 1v1 past this point because it would seem like a regression for Luffy as he would be coming off of a huge victory against Kaido who has significantly better portrayal. The way she has been tossed around I wonder if Luffy finally hammering the nail in her coffin will be as impactful, but I am sure Oda will find a way.
couldn't agree more.
Big mom 1v1 Luffy is still important to me though because luffys still yet to go head to head with a fresh yonko and win.It’d truly solidify him as above that baseline for me and approaching roger levels of power.
Besides the focus Morj puts on Luffy, there's still some key elements regarding her that hasn't yet been concluded, like the giant and the other cook from her crew witnessing what happened to Mother Caramel and the kids and the subsequent event of BM finding out about it + the significance of Elbaf to her as a character.
I know that people don't like when someone assumes that something will happen with such a level of certainty but Elbaf is, if not the direct next, one of the next destinies and BM just has to be involved in one way or another.
So my bet is that after Wano she will be even more adamant in her dream of joining every race and in her usual twisted fashion she will try to do so with the giants through force, either by contacting Loki again or some other mean.
Big Mom is an awesome character and you dont know what you are talking about.
I think its quite simple. Luffy is always climbing a Ladder with every fight. In his first fight against a Yonko he obviously needed a lot of help. Because if Oda made Luffy be able to defeat Kaido by himself, not only it wouldnt make sense, but it would mean Luffy has reached the Yonko euqality level too fast. What would be the enormous challenge of the other 3 then? So he takes on Kaido with help, and a lot of it. And at the same time Oda is showing us how two Rookies can't defeat Big Mom but can actually put her in a very tight spot. And these two rookies are "not casually" from the same Generation as Luffy but under him, since they arent the protagonists. So if in this arc Law and Kid can take on Big Mom alone, why wouldnt Luffy be able to 1vs 1 her in the next arc? Oda always sets up future fights so when they arrive we can make sense of them. So my point is that even when Luffy defeats Kaido here in Wano, defeating Big Mom afterwards will be a bigger challenge if he barely receives any help.
I think your Urouge example is a terrible equivocation. Law and Kidd are really well set up to be just behind Luffy narratively, it's been set up for them to achieve something relatively equal to Luffy for hundreds of chapters as well.
Big Mom again coming back for a fight feels repetitive at this point and I wouldn't want it to be a quick fight. She's supposed to be a small step below Kaido it seems to me. I think this encounter is going to lead to a moment of Luffy displaying his lack of fear against her powers and Big Mom bowing out of conflict with him. Not an actual fight.
That is to say I don't think there needs to be a fight, just Big Mom admitting that Luffy is stronger than her. She just needs to acknowledge him as on or above her level.
Part of me thinks she already does. She does recognize Luffy's strength in some way but that's all thrown out the window temporarily by their animosity towards each other. As in it wouldn't matter that at the least she admits that Luffy is strong, because she wants to kill him regardless. That intent to breast Luffy into submission trumps any acknowledgement of who's stringer because that's drive to overcome. "Who cares if he's stronger, I'll beat his ass anyway." which is very much like Luffy has been *all of One Piece* with every major antagonist in the story. The Urouge example isn't a terrible equivocation so much as its an extreme case of one. Urouge having no narrative setup while Kid and Law do doesn't take from the fact that such a final decision would be detrimental to the story. As in both cases, the one who is shown not to have _as big_ of a buildup to face a character (i.e Law/Kid vs Big Mom) compared to a different one who has (Luffy vs Big Mom) would in fact, be taking away from the expectation that the 2 chars (Luffy and BM) would be facing each other but didn't cause someone else took them out instead (Law/Kid and BM).
Urouge is a blatant case, But the results of such a confrontation would be the same as giving Kid/Law the *Final* victory compared to who actually is built up to deliver the final blow.
Morj has also mention that a lot of arguments against this (both in the video and the comments) contain "i wouldn't want it" or "it'd be boring" or "repetitive" in them (much like you did here). All are preferences, which are a different discussion entirely. And you're allowed to have them, but that doesn't speak to the likelihood of how certain events will transpire based on the current point of the narrative.
As for acknowledgment and just dropping the vendetta? That's not very Big Mom of you to think she's just going to bow out of continuing to hunt down the one that ruined her party, busted her cake, broke her cherished picture, tarnished her image, and escaped her territory _with Poneglyph rubbings on top of that_
That Big Mom. The one who's hunger pangs make her so deadset on an objective she becomes a walking cataclysm. And even when she isn't, she broke an unspoken rule and literally followed Luffy TO Wano just so she could kill him, *That* Big Mom?
You'd like a quick fight, or an acknowledgement of strength, it may happen it may not but it's highly unlikely given the characters' temperaments. Both are tenacious, they aren't just gonna sit down and Take an L like that without at least attempting to fight, heck, again, Big Mom *left* her territory personally to fight Luffy. Not sure why all of a sudden she'd just Want to say no after seeing Luffy get a little stronger.
@@SrMissileMonkey it would be incredibly redundant now to do a drawn out fight, structurally, that's not preference. A fourth arc with Big Mom menacing the SH is also not a great writing decision, imo.
He animosity and final actions don't have to be so cut and dry. Mom also has a calculated side that's risk averse, she sits around for years and years in one spot demanding tribute rather than risking herself. She is tenacious but definitely a character to step aside and wait. That's just as much who she is. Luffy just has to prove he's at the level for her to make that call. Roof Piece may do just that.
Kid and Law have narrative reasons to push the Yonko system over, built up over the whole post time skip, just not as in the forefront as Luffy.
Law wants to dismantle the systems that allowed his childhood home and his best friend be destroyed.
Kid has the same ambition as Luffy.
There paths also have to end in confrontations and victory over Yonko in order to satisfy their goals.
Big Mom isn't dead or gone, but fighting again in this arc would undo the achievement of Law and Kid.
Fighting in yet another Arc would be structurally repetitive with little gain. A haki clash and retreat in the face of greater power by Big Mom satisfies both Luffy's declaration of defeating the Yonko and doesn't diminish the importance of Big Mom's loss to Law and Kid.
ita funny to see Morj trying to convince every one about this now after the raid failure arc.you have a better chance this time.Good Luck
Good video.
I still think that Kid should’ve been fighting Kaido. Or give him a character arc to justify his focus on Big Mom. Or maybe have BM and Kid clash on their ideas of betrayal to have a character rich fight.
kid sucks bro ..
@@Ooi_bruvv Tbf Kid would suck less if what he said did happen
@@Ooi_bruvv nice argument
He has had a character arc.
Kid is a magnet-man who seems to repel others. He doesn't work well in teams > he's convinced by his partner to form an alliance > gets betrayed & defeated > helped by Luffy but is now too wary of alliances > begrudgingly works alongside Luffy & Law on Onigashima > sees Luffy & Zoro are more capable than him to fight Kaido, but not both Yonko at once > works with everyone to separate Yonko > *sticks to the plan,* keeps Linlin away from Kaido > beats Linlin, again using teamwork
There is a clear through-line of character development that I'm really surprised people aren't seeing.
@@Ooi_bruvv To me, Kid is disappointing because he lacks character focus. And his actions are incoherent. What I'm proposing addresses both of those grips. So assuming this happened. Kid wouldn't "suck" (imo).
I just kinda feel like if big mom comes back and Luffy has to fight her, how is that bigger stakes than vs kaido? How is that in chronological order, other than the fact we assume big mom has to be at elbaf, and assuming straw hats go to elbaf next. We have pretty much seen everything in her arsenal, what else could she show? Seems like it’s a set up for the community to hate it
She being stronger than Kaidou wouldn't be bad. That'd be kinda cool
She being stronger than Kaidou wouldn't be bad. That'd be kinda cool.
let’s be honest have we gotten real representation of her arsenal like with Kaido? Big Mom only used her DF powers on kid & law & who’s to say she used all her abilities? not to mention before wano in WCI we see her powers but it’s more of the same stuff over and over. Kaido is fighting and showing off, Big Mom hasn’t really gotten the same and has been treated like a joke so far she needs time to show she really a yonko
Stake is only this BIG MOM THINKS LUFFY AS A TRASH OR A WEAKLING even now. Only reward we will get seeing big mom face when luffy block big moms attack with one hand(similar to kaido).
That's my main issue with it too, because Luffy beating her won't be as impressive anymore, but we don't know the circumstances of the arc yet. Maybe she won't be the *main* villain.
Been thinking about this very topic since the last chapter dropped... It makes sense that this would be the case
The sponsors bit always get me 🤣
The literal goal of kid and law was to stop big mom from getting to the rooftop to fight lufy. Big mom didn't even bored to definitly put down those 2 becuase all she wanted was to go against lufy.
While I do believe you're right in saying that big mom needs to be defeated by luffy because of prior narrative setup in the story, your argument against the "theme of the new generation surpassing the old" starts from a logical fallacy.
When you put in comparison shanks not fighting/losing to blackbeard/luffy but to uroge, justifying it behind your hyperbolic example of uroge possibly doing it as he follows the theme, you fail to acknowledge how the fight against shanks is a prime example of the "theme of the new generation surpassing the old" as both luffy and blackbeard are members of the new generations.
To put it in prospective is like you made an example of how a "rock" cannot possibly be a "rock" while showing another "rock" . Disproving something by highlighting the absurdity of the concept does not work like that.
i’m pretty sure he’s saying that when the story sets up a future conflict between 2 characters then another character who is new gen but we’re not part of the set up conflict can’t beat them and ruin the already set up conflict
@@Bon-Kaizer I'm sure that's how he intended to use it and what he meant but the way he, actually, used it is to address what those that are fine with big mom being defeated by kidd and law are saying, that is, that "it's ok as it still follows the theme of the new generations surpassing the old";
To disprove this sentiment, MrMorj, then brings another previously set-up conflict as a meter of comparison and says that having uroge be the one to resolve it would still make sense as it fit the theme, which could works as an analogy, if it wasn't for the fact that the example already fits the theme, which invalids the argument.
Now I do not know if he didn't express himself well or straight up botched the example but "disproving by absurdity" is something that comes from mathematics and is used to disprove mathematical hypothesis, as such is not open for interpretation and there ain't two way of using it, that's why I said "logical fallacy", I wholeheartedly agree with his sentiment but the example used is still wrong.
@@gintoki6347 he’s talking about set up conflict tho,even if it fits the theme if you start a conflict between 2 characters then you have to follow through or there was no point
Morj Its Time To come with some Cool Theories .
Great analysis. I was thinking the news paper will flip the story announcing Law and Kidd win but Luffy will have the last laugh
Best argument I heard for Kid and Law vs Big Mom beeing the final showdown for Big Mom is that Luffy said to Big Moms face "I came here to kick everybodys ass", yet he let his followers do the job for him (Inu defeating Jack etc.).
Meaning Luffy came as the leader of the raid, and everybody that gets defeated here gets defeated by Luffy trough his followers. It would also fit with Kids character development, Kid relying on luffy to defeat Kaido and taking on Big Mom for Luffys sake.
Edit: grammar
Interesting take
That's not a argument at all. That would have take into account luffy literally beating all 30,000 members of the beast pirates. Just people taking what he said way to literally to put up a piss poor argument.
@@ultimatehaki1 man these comments are so annoying. Either admit raid failing or the arc itself
@@OrielAdirTheGamingIL not sure what you mean but Oda consistently writes arcs and sagas so that you don't get the full picture until the very end. Whether the raid fails or not, whether luffy beats big mom or not, I'll wait till the end to say whether or not this arc and saga "failed".
@@ultimatehaki1 literally "kid and law winning big mom" can't see how oda goes away with that without raid failing
This is a pretty convincing video. I didn’t like the idea at first but Morj did a good job of breaking this down.
This comment actually works for most Morj's videos
The way you pronounce Urouge and Ryuma grinds my gears. Just commenting for the algorithm
These kind of videos are a byproduct of the Tobi Roppo and the Calamities being already defeated, and the raid not failing.
Totally agree, been saying this for years. It's so unfitting for someone beside Luffy to take down Big Mom. It must be him
Definitely same, and i just got to the part in the anime he has his conversation with her on the din din moshi.
@@joshshrum2764 ? Rewatch?
Woooow she’s not that damn important, kaido wano road poneglyphs joy boy momo. The list of things happening way more important than big mom, whole cake was her arc in the 4 yonko saga she lost it might not have been what we wanted but she lost. Please see the bigger picture little minds
@@strawhat_moses4079 ok so I guess you wasn't listening to the video at all
@@kaleomungin I got about 5 minutes in before morj head canon zoned me out
The way I see it people who don’t want Luffy to take down Big Mom would have to be okay with something like in the final battle forcing Luffy to choose between Akainu or Blackbeard. Sure you could have Marco beat Blackbeard, leaving Luffy to Akainu, but that would make zero sense to the greater narrative.
@@starless267 Sabo wouldn't be able to defeat Akainu. That Fleet Admiral is Yonko Class
Incognito Morj
Comparing the build up of luffy and big mom to vivi and crocodile is like removing all the flesh off a man and woman and then calling them the same because they both have skeletons.
When Luffy says he'll beat people, he doesn't always mean 1 v 1. He was literally fine with jumping Kaido 5 v 2 until he discovered advanced conquerers and wanted to test it
He had no issues with letting the others fight Big Mom, and I doubt Luffy in his head thought his allies were gonna die fighting Big Mom or lose to her and that he'd fight both her and Kaido
Hypothetically, if Kid and Law killed Big Mom, you think Luffy would be mad at them or tell them that he was supposed to be the one to beat her after he beat Kaido?
Also, since Law and Kid defeated Big Mom and Luffy will probably defeat Kaido, by the time she fights Luffy, she's not gonna be underestimating the new generation like how her and Kaido did at the start of the Raid etc. She'd most likely fight Luffy as hard as she'd fight Shanks or Whitebeard etc. Luffy and Kaido are having a 'Yonko level' fight right now, but Kaido and Luffy are both having fun/have mutual respect as fighters. Big Mom would just try to murder Luffy asap
Your comment makes no sense. Literally zero sense.
it's not that luffy wants to beat them when he says it, it's that the story (or oda) wants luffy to beat them.
@@culturedvulture2015 Exactly, I really don't know how people can even think stuff like that.
It's not about whether or not Luffy would be upset, it's about the way the story has set up their fight. Hence as Morj said makes sense narratively
@@lukerne9260 Reading Comprehension is key
Most people will disagree but I genuinely believe big mom will somehow end up being an ally. Maybe it is my personal bias because I love her, but she was shown in a sympathetic light many times, more than any other antagonist. I believe the whole memory loss thing that nobody liked was to show her getting along with the crew. Even her dreams are at the core "good", but she is going about it in a misguided way. Since she has the mind of a child, I think it is possible at some point she experiences mental growth and realizes her mistakes, becoming an ally.
Big mom is responsible for the death of hundreds if not thousands due to her constantly taking their life. She has literaly eaten people. She makes a game out of cutting peoples limbs with a rulette. Name one other person in one piece who has ever been portraid as an ally that has done even 20% of the evils she has.
The closest one is kid who was once stated to have harmed civilians but thats not even concrete and was never brought up again. Big mom is evil. Oda would never write her as an ally
@@Dialga355 robin was a literal assassin and aided crocodile (who was also later luffy's ally for a brief period of time). She killed multiple potentially innocent people. Zoro, Law, Kidd and I think Bartolomeo also killed multiple people. It is not past luffy to become allied with people that have killed and done other bad things before. I wouldn't say Big mom's brand of evilness is beyond that. She takes lifespan as payment from people that are willing because they want to live in her kingdom. It is voluntary.
@@sofiav7071 This isn't strictly about their actions but how their actions are portraid. Oda doesnt show any of these characters do the things you say they do for a reason. When he flat out tells u Big Mom eats people it means he isn't planning on ever having her be an ally. With that logic anyone can be an ally. She is in the same category as Orochi, Wapol, Hody, Spandam villains who are rotten to their core. Sure she gets amnesia cause even Oda writes shitty plot devices some times but that doesnt mean she is being written to be turned into an ally
@@Dialga355 he’s actually not wrong big mom has a lot of good intentions just goes about it a selfish way. And big mom literally has a tragic backstory how she became this way. So you pretending like big mom coming around to being a good person doesn’t make sense is denial
HEY THE RAID DIDN'T FAIL BRO
1:58
Katakuri: 😱😱😱 I need to protect my data!!!
To be fair. Kaido seems way more stronger than Big Mom due to the fight so far.
So if Big Mom is still alive and fights again then it'll put her back near level to her Yonko friend
Here's the thing, KID was set up to fight and DEFEAT Kaido since the very start of this arc, and has a far more personal reason to take him down than even LUFFY does. For that reason I think him going down to fight Big Mom was incredibly fucking stupid, when he had a more narratively sound reason to fight Kaido than anyone that isn't the Scabbards, who ALSO want to be the ones to kill Kaido. Yet LUFFY is the one to go up and 1v1 him because...plot. Big Mom feels like some level of compensation, so at least Kid and Law would have taken down an Emperor, while Luffy has as well.
If it comes to the point where Luffy does 1v1 Big Mom and WINS, that ends up devaluing what Kid and Law did and makes them seem even less like rivals.
Yeah kid has a personal reason to kill kaido but almost everyone in the raid has a reason especially the samurai i dont that alone is reason for kid alone to kill kaido i think that killer being giving a smile fruit is to give kid a reason to fight because if u remember he originally wanted to fight shanks for cutting off his arm
I heavily agree with this. The writing has been weird since Roof Piece started. A lot of twists, turns, and things that have been putting me off a bit!
THANK YOU. This is why i dont get the appeal for kid. literally only reason he luffy rival and sorta equal is because of plot. but his feats are WORSE THAN LAW, the support character. law outshine kid by a pretty big margin. BUT ppl want to bring up how law is beneath kid on status and put him closer to luffy is because of powerscaling. although nothing support this beside plot, ppl are going to hype kid now. Then law gets disrespected by calling him a support character. although Law had a more impact on the story than kid have so far. the only reason law is devalue is literally cause of powerscalers. However, ppl see that law is doing more damage than Kid in the big mom fight. so they start discrediting law and hyping Kid more than law. Morj literallymade a video saying that Kid going to be a yonko after this acting like he earn it? How is he more worthy than law, given the feat and impact on the story. Cause law can't control luffy? But Kid can't control Luffy. How is this man competing with luffy when HE WENT AFTER BIG MOM WITH LAW. He let luffy fight kaido, like OG comment said Kid have a bigger beef with Kaido and somehow ok with luffy taking him 1v1. People to rationalize it when it happen to save kid image by calling smart. Saying that it better to separate them two.
Somewhere in the future: Big Mom gets killed by anyone other than Luffy and people will still say "But Luffy is setup to be the one to defeat her so she'll come back to life.". BM is defeated as a villain. It literally happened. I can't see it happening where the narrator would repeat himself saying BM has been defeated all over again.
Well he'll get fucked against Kaido bruh. Alone? Ha.
Oda knows one piece better than his family just let him be😭
Lol luffy doesn’t beat one main antagonist and everyone gets butt hurt gotta love it
Luffy defeating everyone would take the others supernova importance, like, it would feel that they were less importand and less strong, and I don't think oda want it
This situation kinda feels like Game of Thrones
It was John Snow who was supposed to fight the knight king, then Arya defeats him outta nowhere
Man just confirmed the raid failing. What a goat
Morj is so good at backing a theory with structural answers to counter arguments. It’s hard to debate him when he leaves zero holes in his theories to poke at.
For so long I thought that Law and Kid (especially Kid) had no chance to beat Big Mom. I was really surprised with last few chapters but in a good way. But in the end I believe Luffy will fight Big Mom again and will win. The inly problem is when.
Kid and Law have proven that they are powerful individuals not to be underestimated. However, I seriously doubt that this is the end of her. I am sure she will be back.
@@emperorofinception3571 It was obvious about Law, Kid just never feels that strong for me. Now we all know what they are capable of. And I've got same feeling, she will be back. She want to crush Luffy, will definitely try it. Maybe in Wano, after Kaidos fall..?
@@mishell6482 Personally, I think that both of them are strong in their own right, their methods of fighting are quite different though. Kid is the kind of person who is better at striking with pure brute force to overpower his opponents and tanking damage. This obviously has a lessened effect on opponents who are incredibly durable themselves. Law strikes with surgical precision using attacks that damage the internal parts of the body as well as the external. He is not the kind of person to tank attacks however and his powers clearly use up his stamina quickly if he does too much at one time. So, I think that both of them were necessary for this outcome to occur, either of them fighting on their own would have lost. That's simply how I see it, different strengths for different characters.
Big Mom could appear in Wano again or she could appear somewhere else later on. One thing that I have noticed is that some commenters don't think she would be much of a challenge after Kaido and his crew. However, in the event she fought them post-Wano (I don't know for sure) then it is likely that rest of her crew would help her to fight. In addition, the world government would likely also include some of their heavy hitters into the fighting as they are doing now. The worst generation is becoming too powerful too quickly for the marines to simply dismiss them now. If they don't succeed at Wano then they will likely take steps to ensure that Luffy and the others die before they become too powerful to stop. Again, just my perspective.
The Bigger Villain There Is Kaido. Luffy Is More Invested In Freeing Wano. I Don’t Think He Has Anything To Gain Fighting Big Mom Now.
Morj is one of, if not the most brilliant One Piece youtube analyst. Everything makes too much sense
Did my man Urouge dirty there 🤣
I don't know. After Kaido, if Luffy beats Big Mom, I think the fight wouldn't have a great impact (I'm talking if the raid doesn't fail). After beating Kaido, it wouldn'T feel as big of an accomplishment of beating Big Mom. I know they are "equal", but Kaido has been depicted as the stronger one and the final boss of the arc. Beating Big Mom after that wouldn't feel like such a big deal. And as you said at the end, I think bringing Big Mom to an other arc after that would be tiresome. I take it as the alliance beating Big Mom so at the end, Luffy's actions still are causing her defeat. While you are right that the animosity between them has been build up in the New World, I'm pretty nobody would say that the link between Luffy and Big Mom is as important as the link with Blackbeard, Shanks or Akainu.
Of course, if the raid fail, it would be remove carrying Big Mom to an other arc, but Luffy beating Big Mom AND Kaido in the same arc, probably in the same Wano act after the defeatwould be a bit much I think.
I think a nice way to escalate the combat and show Luffy's improvement would be for him to defeat Kaido now while we know his is tremendously weakened and Luffy has a significant handicap then later defeat Big Mom after they both recover and are at full health. That way it would be after defeating her we can all say he is officially as strong as a Yonko.
By that logic, there's no other fight that would have a great impact. As far as we know, there's nobody in the verse that's currently stronger than Kaido to the point where they're on a different tier. Besides Big Mom...Shanks, Mihawk, Blackbeard (currently), all the Admirals etc are either in the same tier as or a tier below Kaido
Of course Blackbeard is gonna get stronger or is stronger but we have no proof yet, and Mihawk isn't Luffy's enemy to beat, there's not really anyone in the verse Luffy can fight that has more to their name than Kaido. Even if we say Shanks, as far as we know he's on the same level as Kaido just like Big Mom etc
Even if Luffy beats Kaido right now, if it's anything that's close/competitive and not an easy clap for Luffy, it wouldn't mean Luffy is stronger. Kaido been fighting gauntlet matches back to back to back, all getting hit by durability negating attacks which bypass his defenses even since the Scabbards all the way until now, while Luffy only got hit by Apoo and had some scuffle with Ulti and Yamato for a bit before starting a 5 v 2 agaisnt Kaido in which Kaido got hit by 5 different people, 4 which had ways to hurt him, all before Luffy and Kaido had their 1 v 1 start. If Luffy beats Kaido like that, fighting a fresh Big Mom 1 v 1 is a much better
Just make Luffy one shot Big Mom
That's why Big Mom would fall first, then Kaido. And she is definitely not escaping Wano.
@@jocoolshow Akainu and Blackbeard are going to be stronger than kaido, I know it's controversial but that's what needs to happen
I think the key to my denial of this “storytelling need” for Luffy vs BM is at 9:48. Up until WCI, a confrontation with Big Mom was being set up. But WCI was enough to pay off that buildup and Luffy swearing he’ll defeat her on the end of that arc will no longer be relevant once he surpasses her by defeating Kaido. It’s true that Luffy vs Kaido is set up as climax from Act 1, but Big Mom just appears at the end of Act 2 without any buildup for Luffy vs BM (I’d argue she is even treated for what she’s become this arc, a stepping stone/training towards Luffy vs Kaido).
In Wano, Luffy will surpass BM and have no further reason to actively start a fight with her. Since turning his attention to Kaido on a personal level at the end of Act 1, Luffy hasn’t shown interest in fighting her personally for even a single panel. If the narrative investment of a storyline drops, there’s no need to force it back up. Storywise, the tension between them paid off in WCI and properly set up the fear for the Yonko’s power. Now we can enjoy the story built for us between Luffy and Kaido and be glad Big Mom (secondary villain this arc) at least got her final boss status with a fight against Kid & Law.
I think Luff already beat her down... morally, publicly. She bent her dignity to follow him like a crazy witch to other side of the world. She was drowned, imprisoned, immobilized, ridiculed and recently she showed her good personality traits too. I think she should become an ally of the Strawhats at least.
Luffy promised Katakuri he’ll be back to take her down. And he will.
Agreed.
Bruh finally a positive comment. I didn't expect so many negative comments and disagreed opinions. I mean I did expect some but literally almost no one supporting this wtf. It convinced me so damn well, I mean I was convinced even before watching this but then I realized it's just got to happen
It would be cool if Luffy one shot Big Mom later in the story
I would argue Big Mom’s whole purpose in the story was to indirectly build anticipation for Luffy vs Kaido in Wano by having WCI, a story in which Luffy and an emperor’s forces can clash, but without having Kaido ever lose. This was a good way to portray Kaido as unbeatable to build hype.
Now that we’re on Wano, Big Mom is no longer relevant to Luffy on any personal level and she has been literally used as a stepping stone for Luffy to train Ryuo to beat Kaido.
She has served her purpose and now she served as a final boss to the supernova who needed some portrayal. I would agree that abandoning that plot thread would be bad storytelling if it were even close to being the main plot, but with the amount of more interesting moving parts in One Piece, I’d argue having Luffy surpass BM by beating Kaido and moving on after she’s defeated by Law and Kid is a good option for the story as a whole, as opposed to forcing this tired plotline to the forefront while basically everyone is interested in only Luffy vs Kaido
Your entire argument is "people dont want to see that" "it wouldnt be cool", just because a powerlevel baby doesnt want to see it doesnt mean you can cut it and ruin the payoff, you are only defending it because its what happened, youd defend the opposite otherwise. Luffy and BM were set up for years and multiple arcs, and their crews have tons of setup interactions too, if they fall like that, now, its because Oda is cutting corners to rush the story, same with her crew being excluded. You dont need to justify everything he does, hes great but has mistakes when writing 1000+ chapters, and BM not having a payoff would be one of them, as their clash with luffy is much more personal than Kaido. Its in no way less important or uninteresting now just because Kaido got focused later, thats you rewriting history to force previous arcs into a changed path.
I wouldn’t like it if Luffy defeats all current Yonko himself. I would really enjoy Kidd or Law defeat a Yonko by themselves. Though with Law’s backstory him defeating an Admiral makes more sense then a Yonko. I would like it if Kidd could defeat Shanks or ally with Blackbeard and do something to Shanks. Since it was previously stated about his encounter with Shanks. Luffy is my favorite character, but even so I want rival for him. Besides BB no one in his generation is competing with him so far. I understand this is Luffy’s story, but to truly make Luffy a great king, having him have equal rivals and still coming on top makes it all better in my opinion.
Luffy doesn't nee to defeat shanks, but he need to defeat kaido and big mom bc it had a long build up, can u say that you wasn't hyped when luffy said he will come to her after defeating kaido or when he said to kat that he will defintely defeat bigmom, i am really waiting for his fight with her, as for BB their fight may or may not happened if IMU decice to take down BB
and later kid beat bigmom makes him yonkou
When he Literally said "I will defeat all the yonko"?
@@salahdjehaiche1176 my take on this is not everything Luffy says has to happen. It is his personality that makes him say all those things to Big Mom, doesn't mean it is set in stone
When luffy said im gonna kick your ass all over the new world he meant that shit literally
The raid fail theory got morj messed up 🤣
Morg talking about how characters main goals were not “defeating” the villian themselves they just wanted the villian to go down really made me think about how Kidd’s main goal was to defeat kaido himself and was built up for a while but was just abandoned for his fight with big mom
I agree, it seemed out of character to me when he went after Big Mom in chapter 1011 I think.
Good Lord, credit to Morj for sticking to “the raid will fail” this far into the arc despite all signs pointing to the approaching finale of Wano.
Actually all signs regarding the storytelling point towards this NOT being the finale.
I just think luffy, is going to win, and the crew will get out successfully.
I came into this knowing I wouldn’t agree, but I still wanted to hear your perspective. That’s the mark of a great analyst who meticulously puts fact and logic behind their statements.
Why Morj Still Needs To Be The One To Do A Character Introduction Analysis Video
Even if Big Mom is really defeated by Law and Kidd right now that doesn't mean that the setup and build up for Luffy vs Big Mom is just gone. She can be defeated by all three of them and losing this time could teach BM to not underestimate Luffy. I fell like many people think that BM is just done for and well, she's been so persistant that I find that hard to believe.
It rly doesnt need to happen anymore imo. I also think people are REALLY underestimating how close to the end we really are, and this was def a good way to knock two emperors off their thrown at the same time basically. I also think Kaido won't die but will lose in a similar manner to Big Mom, where he can possibly return in the future. Luffy has nothing to prove by defeating Big Mom now.. Luffy even said to Big Mom while he was in her face at the banquet in Kaidos lair that he was there to kick Kaidos ass, Orochis ass, AND Big Moms.. So yes he's said things in the past, but only the most recent matters, not randomly picking and choosing past statements from arcs ago.. There's a reason he made Big Mom an enemy as well in this arc.. To end in 5 or less years we gotta start moving on to Shanks, and Blackbeard, and the One Piece and the "final war" and whatever else Oda wants/needs to do before the end.. Again, i think people aren't getting it yet that this is the true final stage(s) of One Piece..
your entire argument is based on Oda having a definitive fixed date/time to end one piece, but as far as we knew, Oda already mentioned that COVID19 last year is gonna make him delay the ending of One piece
@@zhanminwang2921 not entirely.. But some yea.. cuz it is.. They constantly remind us of it.. The dudes been dealing with this grueling schedule over 20 years.. Was what u said supposed to be counter to anything I said? Cuz its not..
“Some” of the new generation surpassing some of the old generation
This theory aint dead until we get confirmation that Big Mom is actually dead.
Morj your content used to be a lot more objective, true analysis, breakdown and forecast based on that. None of the "sworn enemy" comparisons are similar, just apples to oranges which doesn't hold much water. I don't disagree with some of your points but your content, since wano started, has been a lot more head cannon and personal preferences and interpretations based on that bias (especially since Onigashima started). That's good and well, it's your channel your right to an opinion, but that's all it is. I really hope your previous style of content comes back, I've been subscribed for years, these click-baity polarizing type of arguments just aren't as good.
Opinions of a fan..
I believe Luffy will defeat Kaido and Bigmom simultaneously and surpass Roger's bounty this arc itself. In chapter 957, it was mentioned that no pirates had a bounty higher than WB/Roger, but Kaido and Bigmom teaming up will easily surpass that. We can also interpret it as the one who defeats them both(back to back) is worthy of surpassing Roger's bounty.
That's crazy and I kind of like it. Though it's hard to imagine anything else would be a threat after that.
Spit those Facts Morj!
Sometimes you remind me of the english teacher in high school who tries to make every detail in the story a important symbol.
I can’t see Luffy defeating every yonko in the same way I don’t see him defeating every admiral, both said to be his major obstacles before pirate king. It’s true there’s a tremendous amount of build up to Luffy vs Big Mom and promises made by him to do it, but I also think we should consider Oda can change plans at any time. Luffy said he’d beat Jack and yet the two characters never met. Luffy said he will one day return to wci and beat Big Mom to Katakuri’s face but I think we all can’t imagine a wci 2 arc, I’d bet none of us thought she would immediately follow Luffy to Wano either. I think it make more sense if Luffy didn’t get his way all the time, it’s realistic. Just because you plan to do something doesn’t mean it’ll happen, I’m so glad Oda let other characters shine for a moment. What’s the point of these supernovas if only Luffy and crew accomplishes things in the new world?
Very aptly put. Could not agree more. Yes I agree with Morj that the heavy build up is there, but considering how many moving pieces is in the story and how dynamic the plot is it feels realistic that Law and Kid defeated Bigmom here.
luffy is the main character..period. you don't like it..don't read one piece..or naruto..or demon slayer..or bleach..or hunter hunter..or jujjutsu kaisen..or black clover..etc etc etc
also we need to see katakuri take on the mantle of pirate captain, i think the only way he becomes yonko level is advanced coating and tbh if u think about katakuri seems like someone who would be capable of it, his obsevation is best in the show, and his armament was already stronger than luffys as luffy stated, he's very skilled so hopefully he does get it and he can be Luffy's whitebeard, kinda like how wb was on rocks crew then roger beat him and now they deul for fun
Kata should absolutely be able to use advanced CoC, I mean he is not an idiot, he knows Big Mom since ever, he should atleast know how to do it in theory albeit may never having had the need to use it
After seeing the new anime opening, it seemed pretty clear that they showed the order in which yonkos would be taken down: kaido, big mom, blackbeard.
I see what you're saying Morj but do you think Luffy will have the energy to take on Big Mom 1v1 as well in the same arc?