Awake and Free: Stories from Ex-Jehovah's Witness - Brad's Story
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Brad was a committed Jehovah's Witness for over 10 years. A co-worker started asking questions, which took him into researching, questioning the elders, and getting no responses.
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Faith in watchtower is like a house of cards, all it takes is one good question to tear it all down. So glad your out and with Christ Brad!!!
really? WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
@Governingbordem This is so true. I have ask JWs critical thinking questions and its like their brainwashing is so good that they glitch out and go immediately into cognitive dissonance.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 oh boy ! You are on a mission! You know they lowered the hours right for pioneering ??? Just kidding. I know you’re very passionate about what you believe but you need to respect what others believe too. Take care
@@JJL-pr4gl i just stated that eph 4:6 clearly shows that only GOD THE FATHER IS OVER ALL/ABOVE ALL
I thought I'd probably have to listen in increments, but it was so powerful that I couldn't turn it off! Praise God for that person who asked that question about partaking of the elements. That was your call from your good Shepherd, Brad! I will now go about my day with a spring in my arthritic step!! 👍👏 All glory and honor to God our Savior!!❤️✝️
Jesus sent all of you to preach about the JW's or satan sent all of you to preach about the JW's???????
Fabulous interview. I've been an unbeliever for 50 years. Started studying with JW's last year and realised very quickly, the study was a watchtower study, not a bible study. I had a KJV bible and was given their new world translation one. I started deep diving the bible, something I'd 'shunned', (excuse the terminology) for all my life after I realised they were in a cult. I found Mike Winger, Ray Comfort, Melissa Dougherty and Dr James White and threw myself into learning, reading and understanding the bible, so that with a few well chosen questions during studies, I can hopefully plant seeds. My JW teachers are beautiful people, the loveliest, who I love with all my heart and I pray everyday, the Holy Spirit finds them and guides them to see the real light. ❤
Always love the stories, good to see a fellow Australian and even more so someone who actually didn’t give up on God and the bible, but increased in faith. Very good 👍
GOD BLESS THIS MINISTRY!!! May Jesus Christ continue to bless you in this amazing help for Jehovahs Witnesses who are trapped in a true living hell.
So ready to hear this one I'm so excited about your series thank you so much for all you do for the kingdom ❤
Hi Brad.
Thanks for your testimony.
I live in Brisbane. Aust.
I’m ex jw too. 😊🙏
Good onya Brad, nice to see another Aussie see the Light over Darkness (pun intended).
G’day mate, onya too.
God bless.
Brad, thank you for sharing your testimony!! I’m thankful that you had the opportunity to do so, as well. Gentlemen, thank you both for pointing everyone to Christ!!🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thank you for your open honest story Brad. I love God and Jesus more than I love an organization run by man and came to Christ. I pray my family and friends will too. We too share a small Bible study group where discussion is is welcomed and the love of Jesus is so evident. May our Lord and Savior continue to bless you and your family.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
A extremply thought-provoking , profound and moving conversation, in which you revealed the quintessence with your remarks at the end of the video. (01:12)
A pleasant and persuasive interlocutor who drew the inevitable conclusions for his further life as a Christian from his findings.
G'day M R, I hope all is well. This was a fascinating video. I agree with your comments. Brad seems much more mature as a Christian than a lot of other Christians who have been in the faith longer. As always I love reading your comments and truly appreciate your input on all theological issues. Stay well my friend.
Ex jw here. Jesus is God, and he brought me out of the darkness and into the light!
Praise God!
Praying for my daughter and sin-in-law that they will come to the truth. Colossians 1:16-17
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
So proud of you my brother ❤️ you’ve always been such an inspiration to me & im so encouraged by your journey with God. Crazy that it took you leaving JW for me to finally find my path with God, that’s when I know what you’re doing is the right thing even though it’s so hard! Such a good video, so proud of you sharing your story
Similar lines of why I left too with my wife and four kids after 25 years.Was laughing my head off when it comes to those that have influenced me mate, was exactly the same here too. I really enjoy John MacArthur and John Piper as well.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
I love these shining examples of men who are in Christ therefore have Christ in them. The spirit shines through. I have not ever seen this in a Jehovah's Witness man no matter how 'spiritual' all his responsibilities supposedly made him. Thank you so much for this beautiful testimony.
Every person out of there and with Christ is banner day in my book 🙏🙏 great talk
I loved this interview so much! ❤
This warms my heart ❤️
This is amazing! His colleague asked the best question ever and thank the Lord that Brad was being led by the Holy Spirit
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
I loved this! I, and 13 other JW friends met and began to follow Jesus in 1974. It was a fabulous experience! Christ is my life and absolutely worthy of my worship!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Great video ❤️
Good job for speaking out and doing it in a intelligent and understandable way big fella ❤
Fantastic testimony!! Praise God for freeing you and for giving you such boldness and faith. Keep up the great work!
Great interview it will help many just found your channel have liked and subscribed.
Thanks!
No thank you!!
The Bible is like a musical instrument you can make it play any tune you want!
Every Scholar have different interpretations of the Scriptures!
Nope. "Every" scholar? Not even close to an accurate statement. And what differences? Essential doctrine definitional of orthodoxy, or areas of interpretive freedom? Thanks for just dropping grenades without specifics.
This is a story of a true miracle of God. This is the only possible reason that all this could have happened (this quickly and clearly) for him to receive the real truth of God’s word and to be freed from the stronghold of a cult. I am praising God for this man’s story and for his willingness to share it with the world. May God continue to bless Brad and his family.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@nightpixma could write a book expressing my thoughts about this waking up story; what amazing story Brad and DH! Thanks for sharing.
Long of the short I have someone that is near and dear to my heart that I hope wakes up some day! At times I feel like it will never happen and I will never have the strength to help them. This story gives me hope and shows me that it could be one simple question if they are in the right mindset to research things. Also I’m with you Brad, Light over Dark and Mike Winger has helped me so much during this difficult time, they present facts without condemning which is a beautiful thing. Also they are so knowledgeable 🙂
If you all would pray for my friend that is quite literally lost in translation I would appreciate it so so much.
God bless 💛
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
@@Mr.DC3.1914robot 🤖
How can I get in touch with you Brad.
I live in brisbane.
Maria
For those seeking evidence of Jesus's request for his followers to celebrate his death. Try Luke 22v 19. Where he says. "This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. KEEP doing this, in rememberance of me" Just a little later, he was cruelly executed !
Keep taking the emblems, similar to what they did in the Old Testament with the flesh and blood paying for the sacrifice of sins, which was done often. Wine and bread represents his body and blood, which paid for sin, the full fulfillment. There is no evidence of Jesus wanting his followers to celebrate his death. You are choosing your own interpretation as evidence, which is wrong.
101:00 so true! God bless
I loved this and I am thankful so Thankful to God that I found it! Is there a possibility of contacting Brad through email? I need help as a recent PIMO.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
Absolutely, I would be delighted. Wary to give my personal email here on a comment section, but I’m happy for DH to pass it on.
@@nightpixma really?! Thank you so much!!!!!! Truly!
Thanks for sharing your story, Brad. I pray for the JWs I know to recognize the lies that "the truth" has taught them. I pray they would have the courage to read the Bible for themselves and discover the real Truth (Jesus Christ.) This has happened to you, and it gives me hope!
I Cor. Paul says if Christ did not resurrected our faith is in vain. Before their Memorial a Witness came by to explain it and invite me and she said we celebrate Jesus' death. I challenged her to show me that Jesus never said to celebrate his death. She left without finding the scripture proof.
Who cares what that murderous bigot had to say. He never even read a word of the gospels. They weren't even written at the time of his writings
i’m happy you left without having put many decades into WT. I wasted 27 years of my life (I was an adult recruit at 25 years old) on Soon©️™️ until our Lord Jesus Christ snatched me from the fire that is Watchtower in May 28 of 2021, the day i disassociated in writing.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
JUST READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!
Good advice. I did. And became one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
The interesting part was how someone can swap one false religion for another.
Jesus is the way and the truth.
The is no need to attach yourself to any religion but just have faith and love for the Christ and copy his example.
The roots run deep.
Some of these poor people have spent literally decades with the teachings ingrained in their minds to the point that they don’t recognise God or the bible without them.
Imagine you’re in their shoes; you have dedicated your entire life to this group, lost countless weekends on the ministry, lost friends, shunned family, passed on employment opportunities, decided against higher education, possibly even made medical decisions that have put your family members’ lives or your own life at risk.
Every single decision you have made for your whole life has been in sacrifice to a man made organisation… and now you have to make the choice to admit that it could be wrong.
What’s the alternative? For a lot of people one way to not have a mental breakdown is to hold on to core teachings so that you don’t have to admit that your whole life is a lie, that way you can just jump from one false cult into another false group and it doesn’t result in whiplash that breaks your neck.
They’re victims that have been brainwashed, manipulated, abused, and lied to about their God. The ONLY cure for that is Christ, and it is our responsibility to help them see Him.
Attaching yourself as a follower of Christ, or someone who has a saving relationship with Jesus, isn’t following a religion. What about being a Christian, ( as followers of Jesus are called ) is false religion?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I may be misunderstanding, but I think that they were referring to the part of the discussion when we were talking about people like those of the Berean pickets that find leave and attach themselves to other like-minded groups or teachings
It’s ok to believe you have found the truth without judging another person’s belief as not true. If you do, you would be no better than what you left behind.
@1:01:40 in, you nailed it. The WT replaced Jesus with themselves. Period.
Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
G'day Rich, I hope you and your family are well. What a great video. Your comment is so true. I also notice D C1 is still trolling everyone.
Brad's Aussie accent is a bit more refined than my Tasmanian accent, but most people understand me if I talk slower.
Anyway my friend, stay well and I look forward to your comments.
@@RowanTasmanian and you still cannot understand ABOVE ALL/OVER ALL
@@RowanTasmanian Great to hear from you. We were out on vacation in Alaska for a week, so I'm catching up on our little troll's moronic, out of context comments.
It's like asking him what his favorite color is, and he tells you he likes apples, and that you're wrong for even asking him about colors. Then he tells you to repent because colors are pagan.
....or something along those lines of incompetence.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 What about "In you all"? Is Christ IN YOU Mr.D2C?
Have you read Ephesians 4 in context? Do you know the meaning of context?
Were you called? Verse 1
Are you in the ONE HOPE of your calling? Verse 4.
Yes, there is ONE God and Father of all who is above all, and through all, and in YOU all. Is God in YOU DC? Verse 6
Have you already become a perfect man? Verse 13. ( I think not)
Are you part of the whole body in verse 16? There is ONE body, remember verse 4.
Have you been renewed in the spirit of your mind? verse 23.
And have you put on the new man(been born again)? verse 24. Yes this means being born again, born of God, a new creation, born of the spirit. They all mean the same thing.
Have you been sealed with the Holy Spirit? verse 30.
Did Christ sacrifice Himself for YOU? Chapter 5 verse 2.
Can you positively answer any of these questions? OR are you only able to answer your baptism questions like, "Do you realize that your baptism identifies you as a JW and with 'jehovah's' organization?" Is that all you really know DC? Do you know anything about being IN Christ?
Now go ahead and change the subject and give me a first grade math problem that has nothing to do with the nature of the Almighty God, Who, is Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Sovereign over ALL. Go ahead and try to explain how the ONLY infinite being that created everything by Himself, is somehow restricted to your little 1 + 1 + 1 equation of meaningless drivel.
You sadden me DC. The fact that someone as arrogant as you, can be so blatantly ignorant moronic. I pity you most of all, because one day you will stand before Jesus, Who will be ON HIS THRONE, judging YOU, and you won't have an answer. You'll try and tell Him how many hours you put in for the organization. You'll say how many meeting you went to, and how many comments you made on boobtube to defend the organization. You'll be very haughty about it all, probably trying to tell Jesus that He is just an angel, and you shouldn't be judged by Him because you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so somehow you should be remembered for all the things you did.
But you didn't do ONE thing that mattered, because you never bowed your knee to Jesus, asking HIM to forgive your SIN. Yes, YOUR SIN. You are a sinner just like me; the only difference is I know it and you refuse to repent and turn to JESUS CHRIST, NOT SOME MAN MADE ORGANIZATION.
You see how pitiful you are? Everyone reading this, except for your troll friends, pities you. You are just.....a sad person.
But it doesn't have to stay that way. You can KNOW Jesus if you asked HIM to forgive your sins. You have not because you ASK NOT. James Chapter 4. Try reading in in context. Remember, James tell us that the Spirit dwells in us, and is jealous. (Vs.5) Is the Spirit IN YOU DC?
Can you answer any of this without changing the subject? I think not, and that is why you are so pitiful. But you don't have to remain pitiful DC. Nope, you don't. But will you CHOOSE to stay that way and follow an organization of men, instead of Christ?
Probably.
Unfortunately passed away Dr. Michael Heiser, naked Bible podcast
Love this. That was one of the biggest reasons I woke up. A coworker i invited to attend did and asked me to show him from the Bible why I rejected communion.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
So if you eat the communion, you think you are saved?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I dunno friend, maybe John 6:53 has the answer?
“So Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves”
Of course the act of communion itself does not save you, but the scriptures are explicitly clear that the acceptance of what it REPRESENTS does.
Do you not think it is strange that you have been tricked in to purposefully and ritualistically rejecting the blood and flesh of Christ each and every year?
@@nightpixma AGAIN JWs DO NOT REJECT Jesus' sacrifice. and stop LYING. JOHN 6 is NOT ABOUT THE MEMORIAL as it has not happened yet. This is talking about exercising FAITH in Jesus - In answer Jesus said to them: “This is the work of God, that you exercise faith in the one whom he sent.”
the eating of the body and drinking of the blood are NOT LITERAL as Jesus is now a SPIRIT. it means EXERCISING FAITH IN JESUS AND HIS RANSOM. Distributing the wine and bread during the Memorial is like sharing already as you are commemorating Jesus ransom. 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ? The loaf that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ?
WHom did Jesus give the bread and wine? It started with the Apostles and eventually extended to other disciples. What are they going to do? They will be JUDGES as mentioned in Luke 22, they were given the Kingdom and they will BE priests and kings. rEV 5 - and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God,q and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” They were given authority to JUDGE and become KINGS - rev 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to JUDGE. Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.h And they came to life and ruled as KINGS with the Christ for 1,000 years.
@@nightpixma why, do you force babies to drink wine and if they don't drink wine, they rejected Jesus Christ?
The witnesses go to great lengths to get people to doubt and question their faith in the NT hope. Spending months convincing people they: Are not children of God, do not belong to Christ, cannot be baptized into Christ, do not have his spirit and entry into the Kingdom of God is closed. The ‘free gift’ was a limited time offer that has expired (but their leaders grasped hold of it) They substitute another gospel. To be ‘friends’ of Jehovah by making a ‘ dedication vow ‘. Get baptized in symbol of that vow. Live up to that vow carrying out the perfunctory tasks assigned to them and gain God’s favor so they won’t get annihilated. That is their version of ‘The Good News’. Galatians 1:8,9
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Sorry, did any of the JW trolls say anything about this man's testimony, or do they just change subjects and not address the points made in this video?
So who are we supposed to pray to? Jehovah or Jesus? Serious and sincere question.
You pray to God, there is only one.
Jehovah, the English translation for the Tetragrammaton (pronounced more accurately ‘Yahweh’) was the name of God that was revealed to Moses, meaning “I Am that I Am”. It is a statement of Gods self existence and almighty being, which was contrary to the other Gods of the time in Egypt that were all the gods of ‘something’. The God of Israel is not the God of ‘something’, He simply IS. Hence “I AM”.
Jesus was the promised Messiah, the Son of God, prophesied in Isaiah 7:14 as coming with the name Immanuel (which means “God among us”).
Jesus was God revealed to the world as a Man who then gave himself as a sacrifice for all of mankind to give us the opportunity to accept this sacrifice and be reunited with God.
In other words, it’s not a matter of praying to EITHER Jesus or Jehovah… Jesus IS Jehovah.
The scriptures do say, however, that there is only one name in which you can be saved… and it isn’t Jehovah.
Jesus taught his disciples to pray to OUR FATHER (Mat 6) and who is Our Father? JEHOVAH - isa 63:16
@@Mr.DC3.1914are you able to find any instances in the New Testament where the Tetragrammaton was used as the name for the Father?
Three important pieces of context:
1) The model prayer expressed principle sentiments that represent how we should pray, not how we word for word MUST pray. If we pray to the one true God in the name of His Son, then we are approaching the one God.
2) The Tetragrammaton was in fact the divine name (as revealed to Moses) given to represent the one true God of Israel, of whom the Father is stated to be, the Son is stated to be, and the Spirit is stated to be.
3) The Tetragrammaton is used in the New Testament a grand total of Zero times, with Zero statements of the Father being exclusive to the Father.
The Father is Jehovah, the Son is Jehovah, and the Spirit is Jehovah, but the name Jehovah is not going to save you. ONLY the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, will save you (Acts 4:12).
@@nightpixma wrong. Salvation we OWE FROM GOD AND THE LAMB , that's two persons - Rev 7:9-10, and those who call on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved. Joel 2:32. deut 6:4 JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH, and for trinitarians they are THREE JEHOVAH so that conflicts with the Bible
@@Mr.DC3.1914agreed, the Father and the Son are different persons. Christians don’t believe that they are the same person.
It seems as though you may have a misunderstanding on the nature of God. I understand brother, I was lied to about the nature of my God for many years as well.
It’s hard, I know that all too well, but you’ve been lied to. Your God has been kept from you, and the God you have been tricked in to worshipping does not reflect the God of the bible.
You had me all the way up until you didn't like Eric! Eric is a great person and a true Christian I've never seen anything else to complain about. I'll bet you're a trinitarian
Yes. Because it’s Biblical. I love Eric btw, but I believe he’s very wrong about some core doctrines
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Biblical? Show me one scripture that use the word Trinity. Show me one scripture that speaks of three in one God? I was a Catholic and they can't even explain it or prove it so as far as I'm concerned you really DON'T love truth. Except your own. The Trinity has pagan roots and the doctrine of the Trinity didn't show up until circa 300 ad... The original Christians never even spoke of or mentioned the Trinity. Jesus never said he was part of a Trinity. And by the way you trashed Eric by saying all he does is trash JWs but you are a hypocrite because you bot only trash JWs as you were doing but you slandered him as well.
Also you better start doing more research like you were saying you did when trying to prove the JWs wrong... Sounds like BS to me because you evidently didn't do too good.
@@diogenesthecynic9951 Sir I’ve researched the deity of Christ and Church History more than I’ve looked into JW’s. Like I said, I like Eric, I love a lot of what he does, but unfortunately he’s still bought into many of the JW lies about the nature of Christ.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry then you do know there is nothing in the Bible that even mentions a Trinity and that the Trinity IS of pagan origin and the first century christians never even understood or mentioned the concept and that the Trinity doctrine started around 300 ad with council of Nicea.... Right? Your research is severely lacking and you can never prove your misguided beliefs because they really aren't and never were in the Bible. Nuff said!
Reading "God's word" made me lose my faith in God!
The Bible is like a musical instrument you can make it play any tune you want!
Religion is a perfect pyramid scheme!
Do you like D drop tuning?
Guess we've seen the last of the doctrinal disagreement videos and the verse translation videos then? Well, that's something I suppose. And from your perspective, I guess doing this kind of video means you'll have an inexhaustible source of material.
Won't be watching these ones. Too depressing to see folks who tired out before the end and veered off onto the broad and spacious road. (Matthew 7:13)
You are absolutely right. It is certainly depressing that you have to realize that you have been lied to by your Governing Body.
But turning a blind eye to the truth is not a solution in the long run.
You seem to be showing signs of fatigue because, on the one hand, you publicly pretend to be a Bible teacher, while on the other hand, you are constantly dodging answering well-founded questions about your organization's core teachings.
In this sense, a week ago, I asked you the following question, which is directly related to your doctrine of the "faithful slave."
In this respect, I would be pleased if you would explain to me this time how you would answer this question in the context of a regular Bible study.
Imagine if the LOD interlocutor had confronted you with this question during his active time as Jehovah's Witnesses after a thorough self-examination of this Bible text.
My commentary to you from 6 days ago:
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Moreover, a follower of Christ will never make a vow to any person or group of people and will submit exclusively to the rules and commandments left to us by Jesus Christ and the authors authorized by him in the New Testament scriptures. (John 10:27-28)
In this context, as a zealous Bible Student, you should ask yourself the following question:
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If, in your opinion, one of these "faithful slaves" is the governing body of the Watchtower Society, the question arises as to who is to be identified as the second of these "faithful slaves" according to Matthew 25,23?.
Matthew 25,14-30 ( N W T Study Edition)
“14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them.
15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad.
16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more.
17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more.
18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.
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19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them.
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20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’
21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a
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few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’*
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22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’
23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will
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a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’
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24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow.
25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’
26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow?
27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest.
28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents.
29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
@@MR-gx3gc You are linking the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25 to the faithful slave in an improper way.
"When Jesus told the parable of the talents, he told three other parables that were also part of the sign of the time of the end. All these parables describe specific qualities that his followers must have. We can read these parables at Matthew 24:45 to 25:46. THE FIRST PARABLE IS ABOUT THE FAITHFUL SLAVE, the small group of anointed ones who have the responsibility to teach Jehovah’s people. They need to be faithful and discreet. The following parable is about the ten virgins. In it, Jesus warned all the anointed ones that they would need to be prepared and watchful because they would not know the day or the hour when he would come. Next, Jesus told THE PARABLE OF THE TALENTS to teach all the anointed ones that they would need to work hard in caring for their Christian responsibilities. Then, Jesus told the parable of the sheep and the goats, which focuses on those who would have the hope of living on earth. He emphasized that they must be loyal and do all they can to help his anointed brothers." ('Learn From the Illustration of the talents' March 2015 WT - An interesting article with a box at the bottom pointing out where there is some new light in understanding this parable. Also points out that another parable, the parable of the minas at Luke 19 has the same meaning.)
So the meaning of the parable of the talents is perfectly encapsulated in a single sentence from the article quoted above - "the anointed ones ... need to work hard in caring for their Christian responsibilities."
Couldn't help but to see the irony of you making a big fuss about this, being that you belong to Christendom who teaches that any kind of evangelism is optional.
First of all, I would like to remind you that I have asked you to confront me with one of my remarks which, in your opinion, is incompatible with Christian doctrine.
On the one hand, you have accused me of spreading false doctrines on these channels, but on the other hand, you have not yet taken the opportunity to respond to this extremely generous offer.
As you know, at the suggestion of my friends, I have generously conceded you a deadline of the end of this month. With this in mind, I would be pleased if you did not let this deadline pass fruitlessly. Otherwise, I have to assume that you have come to the conclusion that your criticism of the theological beliefs that I have publicly expressed on this channel is untenable.
With this in mind, I would like to return to the current issue.
It seems necessary to remind you that only the following crucial question is up for discussion.
What interpretations does your organization derive from the Jesus ́ personal statements in his end-time discourse to legitimize its doctrine of the "faithful slave"? And not what personal point of view I or anyone else takes on this issue.
In this sense, every Bible reader is challenged to indulge in a conscientious contemplation of the text, instead of referring his interlocutor to extra-biblical explanations, e.g. in your Watchtower literature.
It is an undisputable fact that the Watchtower Society relies on Jesus' relevant statements about the "faithful slave" in his end-time discourse, to legitimize its doctrine of the "faithful slave." These statements are documented in chapter 24 of the Gospel of Matthew and in chapter 12 of the Gospel of Luke.
Every sincere and conscientious reader of the Bible therefore, is obliged to examine for himself the sense in which Jesus Christ chose the term "faithful slave" in his end-time discourse.
To this end, with the active collaboration of my friends, I have prepared the following elaboration, which we had already made available to your confreres a few weeks ago, with the kind request to answer the questions posed at the end. We will send you the same elaboration with the same request with a separate comment.
P A R T 1 Topic: Doctrine of the "faithful slave"
We will again use your preferred version of the Bible for this purpose.
If you look at the text coherently, you will see that Jesus spoke primarily of his future return or coming as the Son of Man.
Luke 12,35-48 (N W T Study Edition)
“35 Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning,
36 and y o u s h o u l d b e l i k e m en waiting for their master t o r e t u r n from the marriage, so when h e c o m e s and knocks, they may at once open to him.
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37 Happy are t h o s e s l a v e s whom the master o n c o m i n g f i n d s w a t c h i n g ! Truly I say to you, he
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will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them.
38 And i f h e c o m e s in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them ready, happy are they!
39 But know this, i f t h e h o u s e h o l d e r (note: greek: οἰκοδεσπότης or „oikodespotēs“ in the sense of a head of a household.) had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into.
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40 You also, keep ready, because a t a n h o u r t h a t y o u d o n o t t h i n k likely,
t h e S o n o f m a n i s c o m i n g . ”
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41 Then P e t e r said: “Lord, are you telling t h i s i l l u s t r a t i o n j u s t t o u s o r also t o e v e r y o n e ?”
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42 And the L o r d said: “ W h o r e a l l y i s t h e f a i t h f u l s t e w a r d ( note: greek: οἰκονόμος or „oikonomos“ in the sense of a household manager, a steward, guardian. ) , the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
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43 Happy is t h a t s l a v e if his master o n c o m i n g finds him doing so!
44 I tell you truthfully , h e w i l l a p p o i n t him o v e r a l l h i s b e l o n g i n g s .
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45 But if ever t h a t s l a v e should say in his heart, ‘My master delays c o m i n g , ’ and starts to beat the male and
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female s e r v a n t s and to eat and drink and get drunk,
46 the master of that slave w i l l c o m e on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a p a r t w i t h t h e u n f a i t h f u l o n e s .
47 Then t h a t s l a v e who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked* w i l l b e
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b e a t e n w i t h m a n y s t r o k e s .
48 But t h e o n e who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes w i l l b e b e a t e n
w i t h f e w . Indeed, e v e r y o n e to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and t h e o n e who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.
In this sense, Jesus' speech contains a prophecy, which, however, refers to his coming as the Son of Man, which he had already mentioned shortly before. (see also Matthew 24:30).
To this end, Jesus used a series of parables to illustrate how his slaves should behave until his coming in order to receive the promised reward.
In this context, Jesus affirmed the aspect of the unpredictability of his coming. (Luke 12:40) This statement coincides with all his further predictions. (Acts 1:5-6, Matthew 24:42-44, Luke 21:8, Mark 13:33).
Unfortunately, it is precisely this essential aspect of Jesus' prediction that is being studiously ignored by your organization. And it is equally regrettable that this fact is tacitly tolerated by you and your confreres.
Attention: Moreover, the starting point of the speech does not refer to a specific one, but to the slaves of Jesus in general (see Luke 12:37).
All these slaves were to prepare for the imminent coming of their Lord Jesus as the Son of Man.
The parables that Jesus mentions in verses 35-39 are aimed solely at the coming of the Lord and not at the appointment of a single slave before that coming.
In connection with these parables, Jesus chose a Greek word in verse 39 whose meaning in the Greek language is comparable to the word ("stewart") in verse 42. In the same way, these terms also refer to these slaves that he mentioned earlier in his speech, and not to a single prominent slave within this group.
It is only after Jesus mentions these parables in relation to the eagerly awaiting his slaves for his coming as the Son of Man that Peter turns to Jesus with the question of whether these parables should be intended only for the listeners of that time, i.e. apostles, or for all the others of his followers as well.
Jesus does not answer this question directly, but with a counter-question, namely, which of all his slaves would ultimately prove to be truly faithful and discreet or wise.
Also, the following statements in verses 43 to 48 are aimed at the coming of Jesus as the Son of Man and not at the appointment of one of his slaves before His coming.
This realization is fundamental to understanding this specific speech of Jesus.
Therefore, in verses 43-48, Jesus did not mention a specific slave, but different types of slaves that Jesus would reward upon his return or arrival according to their respective behavior.
Now the final proof of the validity of this interpretive practice.
P A R T II topic: "faithful slave"
In this discourse, Jesus mentioned another parable recorded in the Gospel of Matthew. In this parable, 3 different slaves are described, with whom their master settles accounts after his return. (Matthew 25:14-18)
Matthew 25,14-21 ( N W T Study Edition)
“14 For it is just l i k e a m a n about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them.
15 He gave f i v e t a l e n t s t o o n e , t w o t o a n o t h e r , and one to still another, to each according to his own ability,j and he went abroad.
16 Immediately t h e o n e who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more.
17 Likewise, t h e o n e who received the two gained two more.
18 B u t t h e s l a v e who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.
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19 “ A f t e r a l o n g t i m e , t h e m a s t e r of t h o s e s l a v e s c a m e and settled accounts with them.
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20 So t h e o n e who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’
21 H i s m a s t e r said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You w e r e f a i t h f u l over a
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few things. I w i l l a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’*
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22 N e x t t h e o n e who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’
23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, g o o d a n d f a i t h f u l s l a v e ! You were faithful over a few things. I will
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a p p o i n t y o u o v e r m a n y t h i n g s . Enter into the joy of your master.’
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24 “ F i n a l l y t h e s l a v e who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a
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demanding* man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow.
25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’
26 In reply his master said to him: ‘ W i c k e d a n d s l u g g i s h * s l a v e , you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow?
27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and o n m y c o m i n g I would have received it back with interest.
28 “‘Therefore, t a k e t h e t a l e n t a w a y f r o m h i m and give it to the one who has the ten talents.
29 F o r t o e v e r y o n e who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
Jesus used a similar parable, but with the obvious intention of conveying the same message to his disciples.
In this context, I would be grateful if you would answer the following questions.
1.) Are you also convinced that Jesus, with his parables according to Luke 12:12-48 and Matthew 25:14-18, wanted to convey the same message to his apostles and us?
2.) Since Jesus declared in his parable according to Luke 12:43-44 that the Master would not put his slave over his possessions until after his coming, is it possible that Jesus performed this official act of appointment as early as 1919? (see Watchtower article, January 15, 2001, page 31)
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Watchtower January 15 2001, page 31
A Special Announcement
AT THE conclusion of the annual meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania on October 7, 2000, a special announcement was made by the chairman, John E. Barr of the Governing Body. This announcement built further on discourses given earlier that day by Theodore Jaracz and Daniel Sydlik.-See pages 12-16 and 28-31 of this magazine.
Making a very significant point, Brother Barr stated: “‘The faithful and discreet slave’ and its Governing Body have had entrusted to them interests that are higher and far more encompassing than those granted to legal corporations. Set out in the chartered purposes of each of such entities are matters that are limited in their scope. Our Master, Jesus Christ, however, has appointed the faithful slave class over all his ‘belongings,’ or Kingdom interests here on earth.”-Matthew 24:45-47.
Concerning the Pennsylvania corporation, Brother Barr added: “Ever since its incorporation in 1884, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has played an important role in our modern-day history. Still, it is merely a legal instrument available for use by ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ when it is necessary.”
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3.) If Jesus' parable is to be taken literally, according to which he will place a particular slave above "all his possessions" at his coming, then this statement would imply that all other of his slaves, especially the apostles of the first century, would be forever excluded from these blessings, or all these possessions. Is such an interpretation justifiable? Doesn't your organization hold the doctrine that all 144,000 "anointed Christians" will receive the same blessings equally?
4.) Which of his slaves did Jesus identify und remove as "unfaithful slave" according to Matthew 25,24 after his alleged return in 1919? Please name the relevant persons or institutions.
Jesus sent all of you to preach about the JW's or satan sent all of you to preach about the JW's????????
If you were born in Saudi Arabia you would be singing praises to Allah, not the Christian God .
I have a friend who was born in Saudi Arabia, and he’s a Christian.
@LightoverDarkMinistry yes but in general say 99% of people are influenced by their culture and Authority around them!
@@c.t8958 It does. And many people come to faith based on the culture around them. Doesn’t mean Christ didn’t rise from the dead. Also people believing a faith only because of culture, That is not always the case. Christianity is one of the most diverse faiths on the planet by far.
. Please let your guests speak...you talked all the time!
@@Fargosportsmassage 🤨
@40:18 i cannot say that for the majority of witnesses i knew. only some were “good people” perhaps not even some. only a few.
my experience was very different- i found most of them to be judgmental, harsh, unloving and unkind. I will say this- it really depends on the congregation and who (COBE) is in charge- that one sets the tone for the entire congregation. I was in the same congregation for 20 years and it was not a good experience.
Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
India
"The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.'
"Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383).
The JWs came up with the doctrine of 2 Gods. Jehovah and Jesus.
D C1 is a Polytheist like all JWs. But historical Christianity still loves all JWs.
@@RowanTasmanian again YOU KEEP LYING. are you really that hardhearted and hardheaded that you keep lying? 1 cor 8 shows the ONE GOD IS THE FATHER, and all the rest of those called "gods" are called SO-CALLED gods. thus the term GOD of gods. and yet still you cannot understand that the term theos has MANY meanings and you continue to BLASPHEME GOD by making him like Satan. REPENT!
1 John 5 7-8
@@paulinerelph For there are three witness bearers: 8 the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. - 1 jOHN 5:7-8
THAT ISN'T TRUE. THAT IS A LIE FROM THE CULT THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES
YOU CANNOT DENY THE HISTORY AND FACT that the pagan version of trinity was formulated AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS - From Britannica - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
The Brittanica goes onto to say (conveniently left out by D C1)
The earliest Christians, however, had to cope with the IMPLICATIONS OF the coming of Jesus Christ and of the presumed presence and power of God among them-i.e., the Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of Pentecost. THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT WERE ASSOCIATED IN SUCH NEW TESTAMENT PASSAGES AS THE GREAT COMMISSION: “GO THEREFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT” (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: “THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE LOVE OF GOD, AND THE COMMUNION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BE WITH YOU ALL” (2 Corinthians 13:13). THUS, THE NEW TESTAMENT ESTABLISHED THE BASIS FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY.
Checkmate D C1
@@WakeingUp There is of course the concept of trinity but the CURRENT FORM of trinity now that trinitarians adopted was formulated in its current form AFTER ABOUT 400 YEARS.
@@WakeingUp Wonder why TERTULLIAN called the FATHER AS MORE POWERFUL AND OLDER than Jesus, THE SON? and He even mentioned that at one time, the SON DID NOT EXIST. different from what Trinitarians teach
@@WakeingUp that's not the point of Britannica. it is talking of history and how the current form of trinity was formulated after about 400 YEARS, so before that, hundreds of years before, the present teaching of trinity was NOT FOLLOWED NOR TAUGHT. as Tertullian mentioned the FATHER IS OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL and that the SON NEVER EXISTED at one time
@@WakeingUp IT IS NOT whether the teachings of JWs are right or wrong, that are talked about here. it is the HISTORY of trinity, that's the current form of trinity was NOT TAUGHT ABOUT 400 YEARS after and that is NOT known by early Christians
Why are you lying so bad. It IS in Scripture. Everything is found in Scripture.. literally everything is from Scripture
I’m sorry you feel that way, but it is unfortunately objectively untrue.
- A core doctrine of the JW faith is that 1914 is the date that Jesus began his heavenly reign (previously the belief was that it was the impending date for the end of the world). This is not found anywhere in scripture.
- Another core doctrine is that 1919 is the date that the Watchtower organisation was assessed and selected personally by Christ as the one religion that would lead his people into the great tribulation. This is not found in scripture.
- As mentioned in the video, it is a core doctrine that the anointed class are the only ones to take part in the instruction to partake of the bread and wine. There is absolutely no scriptural basis for this, with it being impossible to come to this conclusion without WT publications dictating it.
There are many, many core beliefs of the JW faith that are completely fabricated, unbiblical, and anti-Christian… unfortunately you have been misled into thinking otherwise. I get it, I was too.
Please come to Christ.
@@nightpixma soon we will all find out right just remember psalms 83:18 KJV - “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” ❤
@@nightpixmaand you still haven’t quoted one verse, it’s just your own words right?
@@iamaishamusic the onus is not on others to quote scriptures that disprove that which goes beyond what is written.
If you claim that a JW doctrine is true, the onus lies on you to prove it.
Can you also say with hand on heart that you would subscribe to the authority of scripture in the case that it contradicted the words of your leaders in watchtower publication?
You don’t hold scripture to be the ultimate authority of God, but the word of Men.
I am more than happy to quote scriptures for the purpose of glorifying my God, but I’m sure that even you could admit that doing so in conversation with you would be fruitless.
I hope that you find God and abandon your worship of Men.
Everything that the watchtower and the governing body teach is not found in the scriptures and is not from the scriptures . It's only found in watchtower publications which is the word of men , not the word of God.
There is no scripture that says Jesus started ruling as king in heaven in the year 1914 .
That is a false teaching of men , a lie told by the men of the watchtower
There is no scripture that says in 1919 Jesus appointed the governing body as the faithful and discreet slave.
That is a false teaching , a lie told by the men of the governing body.
There was no governing body in the jw organization in 1919 they formed the governing body in the 1970s . None of the men on the governing body today were alive in 1919 .
The term Jehovah's organization is not written anywhere in the scriptures .
It's another false teaching, a lie told by the men of the governing body .
The ones who are lying so bad are the men of the watchtower and the men of the governing body.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER ALL and that includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
John 10:30 (CSB) 30 I and the Father are one.”
John 5:18 (LSB Strong's) 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.
Sorry D C1 this is Checkmate again.
@@RowanTasmanian you wish it is a checkmate, lol. Jesus did not say ONE GOD, so you are dreaming, and Jesus mentioned that his being ONE with the Father would happen to his Apostles and that they become ONE, so you think the Apostles are ONE GOD too? nope. the Jews who tried to kill Jesus don't understand Jesus as they even thought that Jesus SINNED BY BREAKING THE SABBATH. So are they CORRECT? NOPE.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Read the Verse of Scripture slowly, it says
John 5:18 (LSB Strong's) 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.
It's really quite simple, if Jesus didn't want them to think He was God, guess what my little friend, JESUS WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM.
Jesus conveyed exactly what He wanted them to hear. Jesus didn't get His words mixed up.
Also D C1, Jesus never denied or said "Oh no, there has been a misunderstanding, I'm not God. Sorry about that little mix up"
You are making Jesus out to be some half wit who cannot convey His true nature.
Checkmate again.
Case closed.
@@RowanTasmanian Jesus indeed corrected them that Jesus and GOD are NOT EQUAL - Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.
AND jESUS Also corrected them as Jesus DID NOT SAY I AM GOD, in fact what he said was "I AM GOD's SON' notice NOT GOD THE SON, so you again you are trying to prove your fake PAGAN trinity
Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?e 35 If he called ‘gods’f those against* whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me* whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?g
@@RowanTasmanian STILL CANNOT understand what ABOVE ALL/OVER ALL means? eph 4:6. o my, my, my. you better GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL, as your hatred has make you too stupid