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Was Israel the firstborn of a group of nations?

@@LightoverDarkMinistry before I answer that Why isn't Jehovah God and holy spirit ever called firstborn? Shouldn't father be preeminent over the son ? But yet the bible never applies that to the father And if jesus is not the first created angelic son than who is? Someone had to be the first created angelic son if not jesus Trinitarians can not answer those simple questions They can not answer cause they dont have the truth Clergy of Christendom are just like the religious leaders in jesus day They love there traditions more than Gods word Jesus spoke out against there traditions and hypocrisy

@@AstariahFox Tell you what, let’s talk about it, and if I can’t answer the questions, I’ll remove the video and post a new one on why I was wrong. I’m being 100% serious. Just shoot me an email and we can go from there. Lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com

@@LightoverDarkMinistry theres a website on firstborn done by a bother so it goes through all the so called trinity proofs for preeminent meaning of firstborn and it goes through all scriptures that trinitarians uses as proof I am a JW just so u know cause most time it scares people away and dont want to listen Biblical truths are hidden from the wise and intelligent Jesus said the father reveals such knowledge to children

@@LightoverDarkMinistry My last reply got deleted Anyways there a website done by a brother that explains the firstborn and goes through the so called proof texts they use to support the idea of a preeminent meaning of firstborn

to your more than disturbing commentary ==================================== U N D E R S T A N D T H E S E and y o u a r e s t u c k a g a i n like a blind robot - P A S - P A N T A - A L L O T H E R f o r P A S - New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans just because they have suffered this fate? NASB 1995 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? NASB 1977 And He answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered this fate? Legacy Standard Bible And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered these things? Amplified Bible Jesus replied to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans because they have suffered in this way? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, it is necessary to teach you once again like a schoolchild in elementary school. Firstly, you've forfeited any authority to call me a robot after you're the one notorious for your stereotypical repetition of comments. Secondly, it is inadmissible to answer a specific question with an evasive counter-question. Thirdly, it is a matter of style to take the trouble to indicate the source of a Bible text for the recipient of your message; a procedure that you obviously consider dispensable. Fourthly, you should structure your comments transparently for the recipient of your message. Fifthly, it is indispensable to subject a biblical text to a coherent exegesis. Luke 13.2 (ESV) 2 And he answered them, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than a l l ("panta") the o t h e r (" p a r a " ) Galileans, because they suffered in this way? The appropriate translation for the word "para" can be found in the following explanations in Bible Hub. Biblehub Strong 3844 ====================== para: from beside, by the side of, by, beside ===================================== Original Word: παρά Part of Speech: Preposition Transliteration: para Phonetic Spelling: (par-ah') Definition: from beside, by the side of, by, beside Usage: gen: from; dat: beside, in the presence of; acc: alongside of. Question to the Bible scholar ========================= Does the word "para" appear in the following two scriptures in addition to the word "panta"? John 1,3 ( ESV) A l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) were made through him, and w i t h o u t h i m was n o t a n y t h i n g made that =========================================================================================== was made. Colossians 1,16 ( ESV) 16 For by him a l l t h i n g s (" p a n t a " ) w e r e c r e a t e d , in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- a l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) w e r e c r e a t e d t h r o u g h h i m and for him. =====================================================

Good question. Those dying now in Christ are in heaven with The Lord. You see this from what Paul said about “out of the body, present with the Lord,” or the martyrs in heaven in revelation asking God when they will be avenged. However, heaven comes to earth as it says in Rev 21. This is Eden restored. God was with his people in the beginning and that’s how it ends. So Christians are with God, in a new heaven and new earth that are joined.

to your comment =================== Notice those men, Apostles etc were given the responsibility of building up the BODY of Christ ... his followers. So they are over the body of Christian members - A GOVERNING body.... And Jesus had said human oversight would be there till his return and their responsibilities expanded still further...* So W H O i s t h a t h u m a n S e r v a n t / G o v e r n i n g b o d y t o d a y ? ? ? ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your remarks reveal to viewers on this channel in a frightening way that you have not internalized the true meaning of the apostle Paul's message in his letter to the Ephesians. Moreover, it is impossible that there was a governing body for Christian congregations in the first century, since Jesus Christ left the following unequivocal command to all his followers before his ascension. Matthew 23:8-12 ( N W T Study Edition) 8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher a n d a l l o f y o u a r e b r o t h e r s ===================================. 9 Moreover, d o n o t c a l l a n y o n e y o u r f a t h e r o n e a r t h , for one is your Father,i the heavenly One. 10 N e i t h e r b e c a l l e d l e a d e r s , f o r y o u r L e a d e r i s o n e , t h e C h r i s t . ================================================================================== 11 But the greatest one among you must be your minister. 12 W h o e v e r e x a l t s h i m s e l f w i l l b e h u m b l e d , and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. ====================================================== Consequently, Jesus declared it inadmissible for any of his followers to appropriate the title of a leading or even ruling or governing class within the Brotherhood, since such a title and the position associated with it are reserved exclusively for Jesus Christ. In addition, Jesus instructed his apostles to proclaim the gospel he entrusted to them original orally and to immortalize it in their writings. For this reason, all the writings of the New Testament date from the first century. Since then, no further writings have been added to these writings, because the Gospel recorded in them no longer needs to be revised or modified. Galatians 1:6-9 ( N W T Study Edition) 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ's undeserved kindness to another sort of good news. 7 N o t t h a t t h e r e i s a n o t h e r g o o d n e w s ; but there are certain ones who are causing you troubleh and ================================================= wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. 8 H o w e v e r , e v e n i f w e o r a n a n g e l o u t o f h e a v e n were to declare to you as good news something ====================================================== beyond the good news we declared to you, l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d. 9 As we have said before, I now say again, W h o e v e r i s d e c l a r i n g t o y o u a s g o o d n e w s ==================================================== s o m e t h i n g b e y o n d w h a t y o u a c c e p t e d , l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d . =========================== 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 ( N W T Study Edition) 1 Now I remind you, brothers, of t h e g o o d n e w s t h a t I d e c l a r e d t o y o u , ============================== w h i c h y o u a l s o a c c e p t e d , a n d f o r which you have taken your stand. 2 T h r o u g h i t y o u a r e a l s o b e i n g s a v e d ================================================ i f y o u h o l d f i r m l y t o t h e g o o d n e w s =============================================== I d e c l a r e d t o y o u , ======================== u n l e s s y o u b e c a m e b e l i e v e r s f o r n o t h i n g. Acts 20,17- 21 ( N W T Study Edition) 17 However, from Mi·leʹtus he sent word to Ephʹe·sus and called for the elders of the congregation. 18 When they came to him, he said to them: "You well know how I conducted myself among you from the first day I stepped into the province of Asia, 19 slaving for the Lord with all humility and with tears and trials that befell me by the plots of the Jews, 20 w h i l e I n o t h o l d b a c k f r o m t e l l i n g y o u ===================================================== a n y o f t h e t h i n g s t h a t w e r e p r o f i t a b l e * ======================================================= nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house. 21 But I thoroughly bore witness both to Jews and to Greeks about repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus. For this reason, Paul also admonished his confreres several times that they are obliged to hold fast to the message he preached in the 1st century. Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres? 2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century? 3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future? 4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"? Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition) 31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears. 32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones. 33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g . ====================================================================== 34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s ============================================================================================== a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e . 35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said: ' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’ ==============================================================================”

Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres? 2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century? 3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future? 4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"? Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition) 31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears. 32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones. 33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g . ====================================================================== 34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s ============================================================================================== a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e . 35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said: ' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’ ==============================================================================”

@@MR-gx3gc I'll reply one time to your comments on the basic of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* .... First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However scripturally it holds true... *A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body 1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation One Body with Many Parts 12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f 27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church: *first are apostles,*second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages. Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation *The Council at Jerusalem* 6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. 23This is the letter they took with them: *“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings! Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less... Titus 1:5 New Living Translation I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.* 1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation Leaders in the Church 1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. Next you state the Apostles did not have financial support. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context. Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation *33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” However, *Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it. In his position and role he was entitled to support...* 1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation 3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? *7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.* 11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ. Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation 34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.* 36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*

I'll reply one time to your comments on the basis of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* .... First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However, scripturally it holds true... *A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body 1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation One Body with Many Parts 12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f 27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church: *first are apostles,* second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages. Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation *The Council at Jerusalem* 6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. 23This is the letter they took with them: *“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings! Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less. Titus 1:5 New Living Translation I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.* 1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation Leaders in the Church 1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. Next you state the Apostles did not request money. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context. Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation *33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” However, Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it... 1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation 3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? *7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.* 11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ. Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation 34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.* 36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*

@@MR-gx3gc And I have replied but couldn't direct it to you as it wouldn't post...

Go ahead and email me. If you think I misrepresented scripture, I’ll give you a chance to explain your position and prove me wrong.