Jehovah's Witness Armageddon Exposed
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- 📖 I'm covering the Jehovah's Witness famous Armageddon (cue dramatic music), and exposing how absurd this actually is. Is the World going to eventually end...sure, but not this way.
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“The assumption that only witnesses take their faith seriously “ is such a key concept to understand a lot of their behavior
This is something I REALLY realized once I attended other church services. I actually found mainstream Christianity to be much deeper, more spiritual and more profound. But they have you convinced no one else takes the Bible seriously.
It is about taking truth seriously revelation 19
curious how all cultists, even yours, does the same thing.
@@velkyn1 lot of you don't know what a cult is
@@velkyn1nah, my cults cooler. We have blackjack and fishhooks, like that SpongeBob episode.
Edit:just in case, I'm just poking fun, not supporting cults!
25 Years as a JW I can confirm that historically they preached more about the end of the world than of the resurrection of our Lord
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Yes, from what I've heard that is true.
Sadly they are not taught the truth that NO one will enter into the kingdom of God unless they have been changed. NO flesh is going to make it in.
Any Christian who tries to save their life will lose their life.
Many will be martyred and gladly so, for the sake of the Lord Jesus and his gospel.
Mark 8:35
King James Version
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your paramount comment:
W H O I S O V E R A L L ? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
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To you and your confreres, the members of the Governing Body are above all else.
For the members of the Great Crowd will still follow their teachings and instructions unconditionally in two hundred years, even if by then all predictions and teachings will have proved to be outdated.
@@MR-gx3gc EPH 4:6 THE FATHER IS OVER ALL. and you lied again as you are an antiChrist
@@MR-gx3gc EPH 4:6 THE FATHER IS OVER ALL. so stop lying
I’m trying to distance myself from the watchtower cult 😂
Listeennnnnnn!!!
It's easy just go to your local hall walk in with a mega phone and start screaming at the top of your lungs "I'M A GODLESS APOSTATE AND SO ARE ALL OF YOU! WAKE UP PEOPLE! GOD IS DEAD." And then calmly walk out.
Watchtower: "The end is right around the corner!"
That corner:♾️
Like Half Life 3?
@misterauctor7353 Huh..apparently Valve has more in common with Watchtower than I thought..
At least that's only been 20 years.
@Jedi-knight_survivor Stay alive till '75?
@Jedi-knight_survivoryou mean by 1925? Or by 1975? Or before the generation of 1914 dies? Or before the overlapping generation of 1914 (overlapping generation isn’t in the Bible mind you) dies?
@Jedi-knight_survivor : True! And in the meantime, others will ridicule JWs about dates about the end. 2 Peter 3:3,4.
Which logically proves that JWs are Jesus only disciples who are spiritually awake.
What a relief! This explanation is very helpful--none of us know, so to be dogmatic is ridiculous. How did I miss this all these decades?
are you in the organisation?
@@eiredalta Faded starting in late spring 2022. Was associated from 1965 to 2022. Did many years at Bethel, served as an elder etc.
@@MrMrmetro I left last year after studying the 1914 false prophecy and praying a lot for God to show himself to me. I'm now a catholic.
@@eiredalta God bless you on your journey. I'm done with organized religion.
@@MrMrmetro personally I don't believe in exclusivity of salvation, see Saint Dimas, but I'm happy with the help that the sacraments and so many saints give me
I strongly second the need for a sequel to Galaxy Quest 😂
A very apt exposure of the Watchtower Society's narrative technique of how this particular prediction in Revelation 16:16 is instrumentalized to stir up fear of the omnipresent threat scenario.
I have known this organization for several decades, and I also witnessed the hysteria around 1975.
It is a mystery to me how grown men, who still present themselves as God's communication channel, are allowed to spread such messages without being held accountable for their repeatedly miserably failed predictions, while at the same time planning one construction project after another in the manner of corporate executives.
It is a mystery to me how one cannot see through this business model, which only serves the purpose of paying homage to the narcissistic management of a real estate group.
@Jedi-knight_survivorsurely you’ll take Gods advice at deut 18:20-22 since you admitted the prophecy of the Jehovahs witnesses was wrong…..right?
@Jedi-knight_survivor The Watchtower Society used to condemn the established churches for their wealth and business acumen, and publicly portrayed itself as the last guardians of the Christian virtue of modesty.
Since none of their many predictions have come true, they have professionally expanded their real estate portfolio and increased their material wealth, following the example of the Catholic Church.
In the past, the organization boastfully claimed that it would not use its literature for appeals for donations and branded secular governments as part of the satanic system.
Now the world can learn that Jehovah's organization does not shy away from demanding the same subsidies from the Norwegian government that the state gives to all other churches in that country.
This is just one example of the numerous inglorious court cases in recent years.
The organization's scandalous handling of the numerous cases of abuse has also opened the eyes of many once convinced Jehovah's Witnesses. (For example, the hearing of Geoffrey Jackson on August 15, 2015 before the Royal Commission in Australia in 2015).
Those who look enviously at this hypocritical organization have not internalized the true meaning of Christian doctrine.
@Jedi-knight_survivor How's Norway going?
@Jedi-knight_survivor True Christians do not need to mourn Jehovah's Witnesses because they consciously follow the heresies of their human leaders and will one day have to answer to God Himself for their idolatry (blind obedience to human religious leaders in the form of the so-called Governing Body) . (see 2 Thessalonians chapter 2).
@@MR-gx3gc Who are "True Christians"?
Are they the leaders and the parishioners who don't preach or don't give the Kingdom a moments thought? (Matthew 10:7; 24:14; Luke 9:2) Are they "True Christians"?
Are they the ones paying no heed to the times we are living in? (Matthew 25:13) Is it them?
Is it the ones who don't know their Bibles or doctrine, other than maybe a few buzzwords like "Trinity"? (John 17:3)
Is it the ones who DELUDE themselves into thinking that it doesn't matter what you believe doctrinally. That where differences exist, it's fine because some have (In order to ease their consciences) labelled certain things as "Non-Essential"? (1 Corinthians 1:10; 1 Timothy 1:3)
Is it the ones picking and choosing which of Jesus' and Jehovah's teachings they will adhere to and which they won't? (Luke 6:46; 1 John 5:3)
Or how about those who think they can do pretty much whatever because "God is love" and 'Once Saved, Always Saved'? Or those that think the same because of predestination or the rite of confession? (Jude 1:4)
Is it the 'Nominal' Christians who say they are this-or-that denomination because that's what their parents or grandparents were, or they used to go along when they were kids, but not anymore? Can we include them?
What about the involvement of the churches in politics and war? Endorsing parties and candidates in elections, blessing and encouraging their members to go out and kill their co-religionists in wartime. Despite Jesus' words. (John 18:36; Matthew 26:52; Psalm 11:5) These are "True Christians" according to you, right?
Christianity and Christendom are two different things. The latter is a FAKE!
amazing how these cults have claims of the end times and they all fail miserably. The sadistic fantasies of these cultists will never come true no matter which version they follow.
Only one cult stands out. Namely, Jesus' true disciples. Read the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4.
Who ridicules whom and about what?
@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: Only one cult stands out. Namely, Jesus' true disciples. Read the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4.Who ridicules whom and about what?
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It is obviously necessary to remind you that it was you yourself who, in one of your last remarks, quoted the following prophecy of the Apostle Peter about the parousia, or "the day of the Lord."
If you look closely at the text, you will notice that Peter used the terms "parousia" and "day of the Lord" interchangeably in his letter.
Thus, in verses 10 and 12, according to the original text handed down to us, Peter chose the word "Kyrios" and not the name Jehovah. You can verify this fact for yourself by consulting your preferred interlinear translation.
In this passage, the Apostle Peter makes it clear that the event of the parousia Christi or the "Day of the Lord" will bring about a fundamental turning point in world history as we know it, comparable to the Flood at the time of Noah.
2 Peter chapter 3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 F i r s t o f a l l k n o w t h i s , t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e with their
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ridicule, p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s
4 and saying: “Where is this promised
p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) of his?
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W h y , f r o m t h e d a y o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h ,
a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y
a s t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’s b e g i n n i n g . ”
5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
7 B u t b y t h e s a m e w o r d
t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h t h a t n o w e x i s t
a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e
and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.
8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h
9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s* (note :greek " K y r i o s " ) d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f ,
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l i n w h i c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l p a s s a w a y w i t h a r o a r,
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b u t t h e e l e m e n t s b e i n g i n t e n s e l y h o t wi l l b e d i s s o l v e d ,
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a n d e a r t h an d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d .
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 as you await and keep close in mind*
t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h , (note: "Kyrios")
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t h r o u g h w hi c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l b e d e s t r o y e d i n f l a m e s
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a n d t h e e l e m e n t s w i l l m e l t i n t h e i n t e n s e h e a t !
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13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s and a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
The apostle Peter emphasized that this event will occur unforeseen, even for the true followers of Christ.
For this reason, all of the Watchtower's predictions in this regard are doomed to failure.
In addition, Peter explained that the parousia will take place in a scenario that will be perceptible to all people on earth like a tremendous natural spectacle.
How can the Parousia Christi have run its course more than 100 years ago, when humanity is still plagued by the same adversities as is has been since the dawn of creation? (see verse 4).
Question to the Bible scholar
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What prediction and warning did Jesus Christ himself leave to his true followers regarding his parousia, or "the Lord's day"? (Matthew 24:23-27, Luke 17:22-24, Matthew 24:40-44)
Check out CZcams or GOOGLE SCIENTIST EXPLAIN WHY JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARE RIGHT.
@@rebeccabacalso4536 Why do you come forward publicly with a thesis that demonstrably contradicts your organization's own statements?
Why do you refuse to answer my legitimate question?
In the publications mentioned below, the Watchtower Society itself has stated that Rutherford prophesied after his release from prison, and that Jehovah himself has decided that the generation of other sheep who have already experienced 1914 will survive Armageddon on earth.
How is it to be explained that you, as a person trained in the virtue of love of truth, deny these facts?
Question to the Bible scholar
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1.) Do you continue to claim that the Watchtower Society has not disseminated predictions in Jehovah's name in its literature?
2.) What fate would have befallen all the leaders of the Watchtower Society at the time of the Old Covenant, considering the account of the true prophet Jeremiah in the 28th chapter of his book?
Book WTG: Survival Into a New Earth
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Chapter 24 The Countdown Nears Its Zero Hour!, page 185, paragraph 5,6
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5 The countdown that has proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. S o c l o s e i s i t
t h a t p e o p l e w h o w e r e a l i v e i n 1 9 1 4 , and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty come to pass.-Mark 13:30.
6 Other loyal servants of God, too, will be on hand to witness the events of that great day. Especially beginning in 1935, when the identity of the “ g r e a t m u l t i t u d e , ” or “great crowd,” was clearly understood, large numbers of these began to manifest themselves. At first there were hundreds, then thousands, later hundreds of thousands, and now there are millions spread around the globe. G o d ’ s i n f a l l i b l e W o r d d e p i c t s this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order w i t h o u t e v e r h a v i n g t o d i e . (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older.
J e h o v a h d i d n o t a l l o w t h e i n g a t h e r i n g o f t h i s g r o u p t o b e g i n t o o s o o n . The “great crowd,” including many of the earliest members thereof, w i l l s u r v i v e i n t o t h e “ n e w e a r t h. ”
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Book WTG:The Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand
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Chapter 25: Reviving the Two Witnesses, page 170, paragraph 24
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24 What a shock for those persecutors! The corpses of the two witnesses were suddenly alive and active again. It was a bitter pill for those clergymen to swallow, the more so since the Christian ministers whom they had schemed to put in prison were free again, later to be fully exonerated. The shock must have been even greater when, in September 1919, the Bible Students held a convention in Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A. Here J. F. Rutherford, recently released from prison, stirred conventioners with his talk “Announcing the Kingdom,” based on Revelation 15:2 and Isaiah 52:7. T h o s e
o f t h e J o h n c l a s s b e g a n o n c e a g a i n t o “ p r o p h e s y , ” or preach publicly. They advanced from strength to strength, fearlessly exposing Christendom’s hypocrisy.
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Jeremiah Chapter 28 (N W T Study Edition
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1 In that same year, in the beginning of the reign of King Zed·e·kiʹaha of Judah, in the fourth year, in the fifth month, the
p r o p h e t H a n · a · n i ʹ a h he son of Azʹzur from Gibʹe·onb said to me in the house of Jehovah in the presence
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of the priests and all the people:
2 “ T h i s i s w h a t J e h o v a h o f a r m i es , t h e G o d o f I s r a e l , sa y s , ‘I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3 Within two years* I am bringing back to this place all the utensils of the house of Jehovah that King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon took from this place and brought to Babylon.’”
4 “‘And I will bring back to this place Jec·o·niʹahe son of Je·hoiʹa·kim, the king of Judah, and all the exiles of Judah who have gone to Babylon,’ declares Jehovah, ‘for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.’”
5 Then J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t s p o k e t o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t in the presence of the
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priests and all the people who were standing in the house of Jehovah.
6 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t said: “Amen!* May Jehovah do this! May Jehovah fulfill your words that you
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prophesied by bringing back from Babylon to this place the utensils of the house of Jehovah and all the exiled people!
7 However, hear, please, this message that I am speaking in your ears and in the ears of all the people.
8 L o n g a g o t h e p r o p h e t s w h o w e r e p r i o r t o m e a n d p r i o r t o y o u
u s e d t o p r o p h e s y c o n c e r n i n g m a n y l a n d s a n d g r e a t k i n g d o m s , about war, calamity, and pestilence.
9 I f a p r o p h e t p r o p h e s i e s a b o u t p e a c e
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a n d t h e w o r d o f t h a t p r o p h e t c o m e s t r u e ,
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t h e n i t w i l l b e k n o w n t h a t J e h o v a h t r u l y s e n t t h a t p r o p h e t .”
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10 At that H a n a n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t took the yoke bar off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah and broke it.
11 Han·a·niʹah then said in the presence of all the people: “This is what Jehovah says, ‘Just like this I will break the yoke of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon from off the neck of all the nations within two years.’”i And Jeremiah the prophet went on his way.
12 After H a n · a · n i ʹa h t h e p r o p h e t had broken the yoke bar from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, this message of Jehovah came to Jeremiah:
13 “Go and say to Han·a·niʹah, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “You have broken yoke bars of wood,j but instead of them you will make yoke bars of iron.”
14 For this is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, says: “I will put an iron yoke bar on the neck of all these nations, to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon, and they must serve him. Even the wild beasts of the field I will give him.”’”
15 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t then said to H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t : “Listen, please, O
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H a n · a · n i ʹ a h ! J e h o v a h h a s n o t s e n t y o u ,
b u t y o u h a v e c a u s e d t h i s p e o p l e t o t r u s t i n a l i e.
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16 Therefore this is what Jehovah says, ‘Look! I am removing you from the face of the ground.
T h i s y e a r y o u w i l l d i e , f o r y o u h a v e u r g e d r e b e l l i o n a g a i n s t J e h o v a h .’
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17 S o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t d i e d i n t h a t y e a r , in the seventh month.
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@@jimjuri6490 Do you know other groups have used 2 Peter 3?
During the 1800's there was a big fear of the end of the world. Much more than now. I think the life expectancy was averaged at 45 years old. This is when this religion started. My argument with the end of the world believers is, wasn't WW1 and 2 bad enough. Wasn't that horrific enough for you. In my search for the truth I have come to believe that thought is creative, if you are a positive person you will probably have a good life and deal with problems as they arise calmly and see things as learning experiences. If you are a negative person you will always be looking for bad things, anticipating things going wrong, paranoid that everyone hates you and everyone is bad. I'll say it again, thought is creative. We have to be optimistic and appreciate all the good things in life, the beauty and wonder of nature, amazing food etc. we are here to enjoy and respect life, promoting a better world for future generations. God works through us and we are all evolving to becoming advanced souls with a higher consciousness, always moving forward not backward like the evil JW cult. ❤
Seems like their interpretation of Armageddon is pointless if everyone gets a 2nd chance now
Understand something...if a person is put to death at Armaggedon there is no future for them forever...
Matthew 25:31-33,41,46 New Living Translation
*The Final Judgment*
31“But when the Son of Mand comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. *32All the nationse will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.* 33He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
*41“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire* prepared for the devil and his demons.g
*46“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”*
@@mo2874 Ah so if I die 5 seconds before Armageddon I can live forever but if I die at Armageddon 5 seconds later, I can't live forever, makes sense 😉👍
@@mo2874 Notice something about the verse you posted; I guarantee they will not show these verses side by side at the Kingdom Hall 👇
Matthew 25:31 - When the Son of Man comes in _his_ glory
Matthew 16:27 - the Son of Man is going to come with his angels _in the glory of his Father_
Isaiah 42:8 - my glory I give to no other
Joel 3:12 - Jehovah will sit to judge
1. The Son's Glory == The Father's Glory
2. The Father doesn't give his glory to any other God, but Jesus has it
3. Jesus will sit to judge, but OT says Jehovah who sits to judge
@@timd3895 And your point is what?
John 1:14 New Living Translation
14So the Word became humand and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.*
John 13:31 New Living Translation
As soon as Judas left the room, Jesus said, *“The time has come for the Son of Man to enter into his glory, and God will be glorified because of him.*
John 17:1 New Living Translation
After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, *“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you.*
Matthew 17:1,2,9 New Living Translation
The Transfiguration
1Six days later Jesus took Peter and the two brothers, James and John, and led them up a high mountain to be alone. *2As the men watched, Jesus’ appearance was transformed so that his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light.*
9As they went back down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen until the Son of Manb has been raised from the dead.”
2 Peter 1:16-18 New Living Translation
16For we were not making up clever stories when *we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes 17when he received honor and glory from God the Father.* The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”f 18We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain.
1 Timothy 6:15,16 New Living Translation
15For, *At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God,* the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. *16He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will.* All honor and power to him forever! Amen.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 New Living Translation
And *God will provide rest for you* who are being persecuted and also for us *when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,*
Jehovah is the Almighty, the king of all kings throughout the entire universe. He designates his Only direct Son, Jesus as the ruler for the earth. Jesus is in the image/same form as his father, he is a spirit. God has his Glory, Jesus has his.
To illustrate stars are different in size and power....
1 Corinthians 15:41 New Living Translation
*The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.*
Why do people seem to think that individuals Jehovah's Witnesses don't know their bible....that somehow we only rely on what we are told? Jehovah's Witnesses are trained to study the bible. We were originally called Bible Students... think carefully on that...
@@timd3895 And your point is what?
John 1:14 New Living Translation
14So the Word became humand and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.*
John 13:31 New Living Translation
As soon as Judas left the room, Jesus said, *“The time has come for the Son of Man to enter into his glory, and God will be glorified because of him.*
John 17:1 New Living Translation
After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, *“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you.*
Matthew 17:1,2,9 New Living Translation
The Transfiguration
1Six days later Jesus took Peter and the two brothers, James and John, and led them up a high mountain to be alone. *2As the men watched, Jesus’ appearance was transformed so that his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light.*
9As they went back down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen until the Son of Manb has been raised from the dead.”
2 Peter 1:16-18 New Living Translation
16For we were not making up clever stories when *we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes 17when he received honor and glory from God the Father.* The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”f 18We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain.
1 Timothy 6:15,16 New Living Translation
15For, *At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God,* the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. *16He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will.* All honor and power to him forever! Amen.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 New Living Translation
And *God will provide rest for you* who are being persecuted and also for us *when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,*
Jehovah is the Almighty, the king of all kings throughout the entire universe. He designates his Only direct Son, Jesus as the ruler for the earth. Jesus is in the image/same form as his father, he is a spirit. God has his Glory, Jesus has his.
To illustrate stars are different in size and power....
1 Corinthians 15:41 New Living Translation
*The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.*
Why do people seem to think that individuals Jehovah's Witnesses don't know their bible....that somehow we only rely on what we are told? Jehovah's Witnesses are trained to study the bible. We were originally called Bible Students... think carefully on that...
“A history of the end of the world”
-Jonathan Kirsch
Essential reading
Great video. I have argued many of the points you made myself, especially that Armageddon is a place not an event.
Since ALL THE KINGS go to war with God and his anointed one, how can all of them fight in a particular location? It is a WORLDWIDE phenomena.
Revelation 6:15 Then the kings OF THE EARTH, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Truly an outstanding lesson Addressing this for the jws is a wonderful gift for all who live in fear day after day. Dear jws The Son of God will give you peace the org can never do that please come to Him.
Thank you Light over Dark Ministry for all you do to help the jws see the truth.
p.s. for every jw family that comes here to watch and listen to this video i will eat a bug !
Check out CZcams or GOOGLE SCIENTIST EXPLAIN WHY JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARE RIGHT. Know who are false religion
@@rebeccabacalso4536 you are either a newly turned jw or jay leno ?
Thank you so much for pointing out the ridiculousness and making light of these teachings that used to keep us so anxious growing up. Those drawings used to give me terrible nightmares as a child. 😣 I needed to laugh about it now! Great video, and great reminder that we are already saved! Who’d have thought? 😆
Great Job keep Exposing Watchtower LIES
Jehovah's Witnesses follow Jesus. And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Only Jehovah's Witnesses follow what Jesus command
Check out CZcams or GOOGLE SCIENTIST EXPLAIN WHY JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARE RIGHT know who are false religion
@@rebeccabacalso4536 Why do you come forward publicly with a thesis that demonstrably contradicts your organization's own statements?
Why do you refuse to answer my legitimate question?
In the publications mentioned below, the Watchtower Society itself has stated that Rutherford prophesied after his release from prison, and that Jehovah himself has decided that the generation of other sheep who have already experienced 1914 will survive Armageddon on earth.
How is it to be explained that you, as a person trained in the virtue of love of truth, deny these facts?
Question to the Bible scholar
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1.) Do you continue to claim that the Watchtower Society has not disseminated predictions in Jehovah's name in its literature?
2.) What fate would have befallen all the leaders of the Watchtower Society at the time of the Old Covenant, considering the account of the true prophet Jeremiah in the 28th chapter of his book?
Book WTG: Survival Into a New Earth
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Chapter 24 The Countdown Nears Its Zero Hour!, page 185, paragraph 5,6
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5 The countdown that has proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. S o c l o s e i s i t
t h a t p e o p l e w h o w e r e a l i v e i n 1 9 1 4 , and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty come to pass.-Mark 13:30.
6 Other loyal servants of God, too, will be on hand to witness the events of that great day. Especially beginning in 1935, when the identity of the “ g r e a t m u l t i t u d e , ” or “great crowd,” was clearly understood, large numbers of these began to manifest themselves. At first there were hundreds, then thousands, later hundreds of thousands, and now there are millions spread around the globe. G o d ’ s i n f a l l i b l e W o r d d e p i c t s this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order w i t h o u t e v e r h a v i n g t o d i e . (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older.
J e h o v a h d i d n o t a l l o w t h e i n g a t h e r i n g o f t h i s g r o u p t o b e g i n t o o s o o n . The “great crowd,” including many of the earliest members thereof, w i l l s u r v i v e i n t o t h e “ n e w e a r t h. ”
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Book WTG:The Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand
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Chapter 25: Reviving the Two Witnesses, page 170, paragraph 24
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24 What a shock for those persecutors! The corpses of the two witnesses were suddenly alive and active again. It was a bitter pill for those clergymen to swallow, the more so since the Christian ministers whom they had schemed to put in prison were free again, later to be fully exonerated. The shock must have been even greater when, in September 1919, the Bible Students held a convention in Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A. Here J. F. Rutherford, recently released from prison, stirred conventioners with his talk “Announcing the Kingdom,” based on Revelation 15:2 and Isaiah 52:7. T h o s e
o f t h e J o h n c l a s s b e g a n o n c e a g a i n t o “ p r o p h e s y , ” or preach publicly. They advanced from strength to strength, fearlessly exposing Christendom’s hypocrisy.
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Jeremiah Chapter 28 (N W T Study Edition
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1 In that same year, in the beginning of the reign of King Zed·e·kiʹaha of Judah, in the fourth year, in the fifth month, the
p r o p h e t H a n · a · n i ʹ a h he son of Azʹzur from Gibʹe·onb said to me in the house of Jehovah in the presence
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of the priests and all the people:
2 “ T h i s i s w h a t J e h o v a h o f a r m i es , t h e G o d o f I s r a e l , sa y s , ‘I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3 Within two years* I am bringing back to this place all the utensils of the house of Jehovah that King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon took from this place and brought to Babylon.’”
4 “‘And I will bring back to this place Jec·o·niʹahe son of Je·hoiʹa·kim, the king of Judah, and all the exiles of Judah who have gone to Babylon,’ declares Jehovah, ‘for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.’”
5 Then J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t s p o k e t o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t in the presence of the
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priests and all the people who were standing in the house of Jehovah.
6 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t said: “Amen!* May Jehovah do this! May Jehovah fulfill your words that you
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prophesied by bringing back from Babylon to this place the utensils of the house of Jehovah and all the exiled people!
7 However, hear, please, this message that I am speaking in your ears and in the ears of all the people.
8 L o n g a g o t h e p r o p h e t s w h o w e r e p r i o r t o m e a n d p r i o r t o y o u
u s e d t o p r o p h e s y c o n c e r n i n g m a n y l a n d s a n d g r e a t k i n g d o m s , about war, calamity, and pestilence.
9 I f a p r o p h e t p r o p h e s i e s a b o u t p e a c e
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a n d t h e w o r d o f t h a t p r o p h e t c o m e s t r u e ,
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t h e n i t w i l l b e k n o w n t h a t J e h o v a h t r u l y s e n t t h a t p r o p h e t .”
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10 At that H a n a n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t took the yoke bar off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah and broke it.
11 Han·a·niʹah then said in the presence of all the people: “This is what Jehovah says, ‘Just like this I will break the yoke of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon from off the neck of all the nations within two years.’”i And Jeremiah the prophet went on his way.
12 After H a n · a · n i ʹa h t h e p r o p h e t had broken the yoke bar from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, this message of Jehovah came to Jeremiah:
13 “Go and say to Han·a·niʹah, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “You have broken yoke bars of wood,j but instead of them you will make yoke bars of iron.”
14 For this is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, says: “I will put an iron yoke bar on the neck of all these nations, to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon, and they must serve him. Even the wild beasts of the field I will give him.”’”
15 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t then said to H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t : “Listen, please, O
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H a n · a · n i ʹ a h ! J e h o v a h h a s n o t s e n t y o u ,
b u t y o u h a v e c a u s e d t h i s p e o p l e t o t r u s t i n a l i e.
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16 Therefore this is what Jehovah says, ‘Look! I am removing you from the face of the ground.
T h i s y e a r y o u w i l l d i e , f o r y o u h a v e u r g e d r e b e l l i o n a g a i n s t J e h o v a h .’
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17 S o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t d i e d i n t h a t y e a r , in the seventh month.
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@@rebeccabacalso4536JWs don't folloe Jesus.
@@rebeccabacalso4536"Only... Jesus."
Other groups have done Matthew 24.
We’ve been in the “last days “ since 33AD
Those living in 33 C.E. saw the last days of the Jewish system.
We are living in the last days' of this world's system. Read Matthew 24:3.
Yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!
Finally a person who has understood what the last days are....... As a Greek who reads and understands the original text...... I tell you...... you are 100% right....
@@jimjuri6490Do you have proof?
@@jimjuri6490 "We are living in the last days' of this world's system."
Do you have proof?
The highlight of my week is sipping a Latte and listening to D H giving another encore performance of where the JWs have proved they are false prophets and are just another money making merchandising company.
D H is then able to show how historic Christianity is the legitimate faith and the True Church.
Thanks D H, great work.
Which of the tens of thousands of denominations currently in existence is "Historic Christianity", Rowan? Genuinely want to know. Thanks in anticipation.
@@mattgardiner614 G'day Matt, I hope all is well. The Christian position has never been which denomination, but the body of believers who are inside the Universal Church.
When anyone looks to any man-made religion run by men, you will always fail. Even with the JWs who are run by men, this also will fail.
The Church is made up of believers who truly are born again and Christ knows who are members of the true Church and who are not.
Denominations for me are a waste of time, a bit like following a Football team. Quite futile and boring.
It's the people who preach the word from the pulpit and in their homes etc and have truly been born again are the ones I have fellowship with. Like with any place, there are a lot of time wasters and people who are not genuine.
I hope that answers your question Matt. Just going through a major Kitchen renovation, so I am a bit pressed for time, but wanted to respond as soon as I could.
Thanks Matt.
@@mattgardiner614 G'day Matt, I hope all is well. The Christian position has never been which denomination, but the body of believers who are inside the Universal Church.
When anyone looks to any man-made religion run by men, you will always fail. Even with the JWs who are run by men, this also will fail.
The Church is made up of believers who truly are born again and Christ knows who are members of the true Church and who are not.
Denominations for me are a waste of time, a bit like following a Football team. Quite futile and boring.
It's the people who preach the word from the pulpit and in their homes etc and have truly been born again are the ones I have fellowship with. Like with any place, there are a lot of time wasters and people who are not genuine.
I hope that answers your question Matt. Just going through a major Kitchen renovation, so I am a bit pressed for time, but wanted to respond as soon as I could.
Thanks Matt.
@@mattgardiner614 G'day Matt, I hope all is well. The Christian position has never been which denomination, but the body of believers who are inside the Universal Church.
When anyone looks to any man-made religion run by men, you will always fail. Even with the JWs who are run by men, this also will fail.
The Church is made up of believers who truly are born again and Christ knows who are members of the true Church and who are not.
Denominations for me are a waste of time, a bit like following a Football team. Quite futile and boring.
It's the people who preach the word from the pulpit and in their homes etc and have truly been born again are the ones I have fellowship with. Like with any place, there are a lot of time wasters and people who are not genuine.
I hope that answers your question Matt. Just going through a major Kitchen renovation, so I am a bit pressed for time, but wanted to respond as soon as I could.
Thanks Matt.
@@mattgardiner614 G'day Matt, I hope all is well. The Christian position has never been which denomination, but the body of believers who are inside the Universal Church.
When anyone looks to any man-made religion run by men, you will always fail. Even with the JWs who are run by men, this also will fail.
The Church is made up of believers who truly are born again and Christ knows who are members of the true Church and who are not.
Denominations for me are a waste of time, a bit like following a Football team.
It's the people who preach the word from the pulpit and in their homes etc and have truly been born again are the ones I have fellowship with. Like with any place, there are people who are not genuine.
I hope that answers your question Matt. Just going through a major Kitchen renovation, so I am a bit pressed for time, but wanted to respond as soon as I could.
Thanks Matt.
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“The most current understanding which should be good for a few weeks …”
Lmao!!!!! Dahahaha
Great video!!!🤣
Thanks and ❤ from the Netherlands 😊
Awesome video!!
Excellent perspective
Great video. Thank you
Interesting. Thank you!
It's a rock 🪨! It doesn't have any vulnerable spots!😅
And this sir I say... Amen ❤
Nice
It's All Politics it's All about the money 💰 money is the root of all Evil!
Close, but it's the LOVE of money that is the root of all kinds of evil. Money, in and of itself isn't evil. It's how we treat it. I do agree it's about the money with that organizaiton, made on the backs of it's followers who are blinded by their own pride.
I’ve come to the conclusion that all this predicting of the future could be spiritistic
Your Red Sox vs Yankees outcome is definitely a false prophecy!!! 😂
It's wishful thinking.😂
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I am grateful that you are gracious enough not to bring up 2004. God bless your ministry!
Doomsday cult.
All their predictions fail it was all a lie
that holds for all christian predictions.
Jesus' True Disciples will be spiritually awake and will have misguided expectations about the end. That is how people can ridicule them. See the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4.
@@jimjuri6490 to your comment. Jesus' True Disciples will be spiritually awake and will have misguided expectations about the end. That is how people can ridicule them. See the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4.
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I urge you to dedicate yourselves to a thorough study of the Bible.
As I have already explained to you, no one denies that Jesus Christ will one day return, that is, that his parousia will take its course. On the contrary. For two thousand year every true Christian longed for the beginning of Christ's s parousia.
2 Peter chapter 3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 F i r s t o f a l l k n o w t h i s , t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e with their
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ridicule, p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s
4 and saying: “Where is this promised
p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) of his?
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W h y , f r o m t h e d a y o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h ,
a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y
a s t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’s b e g i n n i n g . ”
5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
7 B u t b y t h e s a m e w o r d
t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h t h a t n o w e x i s t
a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e
and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.
8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h
9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s* (note :greek " K y r i o s " ) d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f ,
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a n d e a r t h an d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d .
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 as you await and keep close in mind*
t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h , (note: "Kyrios")
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t h r o u g h w hi c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l b e d e s t r o y e d i n f l a m e s
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a n d t h e e l e m e n t s w i l l m e l t i n t h e i n t e n s e h e a t !
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13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s and a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
What you studiously ignore, however, is the fact that, according to the unmistakable message of the Apostle Peter, this parousia could not yet have taken place.
First, the apostle Peter also emphasized that parousia will be as unpredictable as a thief in the night, even for his true followers.
Second, Peter explained that the beginning of parousia will be accompanied by the abolition of mortality, to which mankind has been subjected since Adam and Eve.
Thirdly, Peter has impressively described in his letter that the parousia will manifest itself in a scenario which, like the Flood of that time, will be accompanied by a change of epoch.
Question to the Bible scholar
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In view of these facts, have you realized that it is impossible that the parousia foretold by Peter has already occurred, even though all true Christians long for this event?
The ridiculers simply Fulfill the prediction in 2 Peter 3:4 about themselves ignoring the seriousness of God's coming judgement on the World.
@@roeltingzon758 : How about some sense. People don't ridicule themselves.
People cannot even criticize themselves.
OTHERS ridicule JWs for their expectation which didn't come about. Read 2 Peter 3:3,4.
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What's happening in israel is reminiscent of what happens at armageddon.
Zecheriah 12 is the 2nd coming of jesus and Zecheriah 14 the war after christs millennial reign.
When my son was about 4 , his cousin, my nephew was telling him that he was going to have a lion for a pet. My son answered him that you cant have a lion as a pet , like it was the dumbest thing hes ever heard
Lions won't be pets as pets are kept at home.
Lions will live in their habitats. They will however, not be ferocious beasts, and can be seen close up and petted in the New World.
Isaiah 11:7 The cow and the bear will feed together,
And their young will lie down together.
The lion will eat straw like the bull.
8 The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,
And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.
9 They will not cause any harm
Or any ruin in all my holy mountain,
Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah
As the waters cover the sea.
@@jimjuri6490 ???
1874: Charles T Russel taught that Jesus would return in 1874 and Armageddon would arrive in 1914.
1914: Armageddon does not arrive and Russel soon dies. The second WBTS president ("Judge" Rutherford) invents the idea that Jesus returned (invisibly) in 1914 and Armageddon would arrive in 1935 so "advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his kingdom!"
1975: Armageddon did not arrive in 1935. So the WBTS "encouraged" Witnesses to look forward to the date 1975 as the "probable" time for Armageddon using the faulty Biblical time line dating doctrine of the Society. (From Adam's creation to 1975, it would be 6,000 years followed by God's "day of rest" the "New Order" lasting a thousand years.
1975 came and went. No Armageddon.
The failed "generation" of 1914: The key foundation stone and authority of the WBTS rests on the teaching that Jesus returned (invisibly) in 1914. Jesus promised that the generation that lived during the time of his return would "by no means pass away" before all "these things" (Armageddon) occur.
At first, it was taught that the generation of 1914 were the adults alive during that year. They died. Then it was taught the "generation" was the children"old enough to understand the events" of 1914. They died. Then the WBTS changed and said it was those born in 1914 that constitutes the generation.
Those died.
By the 1990's the WBTS admitted that generation of 1914 had passed away. (Something Jesus promised would not happen on his return) So what did the WBTS do? They changed the meaning of the word "generation" to mean something else, the wicked world of men starting with Cain.
Obviously, Jesus did not return in 1914 just like he didn't return in 1874.
So if Jesus didn't return in 1914, then he didn't "inspect his flock" and chose his one and only "Faithful and discrete slave" who, as the WBTS claimed was the only ones found "teaching the truth" in the earth. The funny thing is that most of "the truth" that the early Witnesses were teaching at that time has been dumped for "new light" and is no longer considered true.
You see? The WBTS is NOT who they claim to be.
The truth shall set you free. Be free in Christ.
Get ready for Ripcord to troll.
Jesus' True Disciples will get their expectations failing. How else can people ridicule them about it. Read the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4.
@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: Jesus' True Disciples will get their expectations failing. How else can people ridicule them about it. Read the prophecy at 2 Peter 3:3,4
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I urge you to dedicate yourselves to a thorough study of the Bible.
As I have already explained to you, no one denies that Jesus Christ will one day return, that is, that his parousia will take its course. On the contrary. For two thousand year every true Christian longed for the beginning of Christ's s parousia.
2 Peter chapter 3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 F i r s t o f a l l k n o w t h i s , t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e with their ridicule, p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s
4 and saying: “Where is this promised p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) of his? W h y , f r o m t h e d a y
o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h , a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y
a s t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’s b e g i n n i n g . ”
5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
7 B u t b y t h e s a m e w o r d
t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h t h a t n o w e x i s t
a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e
and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.
8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h
9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s* d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f ,
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a n d e a r t h an d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d .
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 as you await and keep close in mind*
t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h ,
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13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s and a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
What you studiously ignore, however, is the fact that, according to the unmistakable message of the Apostle Peter, this parousia could not yet have taken place.
First, the apostle Peter also emphasized that parousia will be as unpredictable as a thief in the night, even for his true followers.
Second, Peter explained that the beginning of parousia will be accompanied by the abolition of mortality, to which mankind has been subjected since Adam and Eve.
Thirdly, Peter has impressively described in his letter that the parousia will manifest itself in a scenario which, like the Flood of that time, will be accompanied by a change of epoch.
Question to the Bible scholar
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In view of these facts, have you realized that it is impossible that the parousia foretold by Peter has already occurred, even though all true Christians long for this event?
@@jimjuri6490 Trolling?
@@jimjuri6490 Why do you come forward publicly with a thesis that demonstrably contradicts your organization's own statements?
Why do you refuse to answer my legitimate question?
In the publications mentioned below, the Watchtower Society itself has stated that Rutherford prophesied after his release from prison, and that Jehovah himself has decided that the generation of other sheep who have already experienced 1914 will survive Armageddon on earth.
How is it to be explained that you, as a person trained in the virtue of love of truth, deny these facts?
Question to the Bible scholar
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1.) Do you continue to claim that the Watchtower Society has not disseminated predictions in Jehovah's name in its literature?
2.) What fate would have befallen all the leaders of the Watchtower Society at the time of the Old Covenant, considering the account of the true prophet Jeremiah in the 28th chapter of his book?
Book WTG: Survival Into a New Earth
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Chapter 24 The Countdown Nears Its Zero Hour!, page 185, paragraph 5,6
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5 The countdown that has proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. S o c l o s e i s i t
t h a t p e o p l e w h o w e r e a l i v e i n 1 9 1 4 , and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty come to pass.-Mark 13:30.
6 Other loyal servants of God, too, will be on hand to witness the events of that great day. Especially beginning in 1935, when the identity of the “ g r e a t m u l t i t u d e , ” or “great crowd,” was clearly understood, large numbers of these began to manifest themselves. At first there were hundreds, then thousands, later hundreds of thousands, and now there are millions spread around the globe. G o d ’ s i n f a l l i b l e W o r d d e p i c t s this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order w i t h o u t e v e r h a v i n g t o d i e . (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older.
J e h o v a h d i d n o t a l l o w t h e i n g a t h e r i n g o f t h i s g r o u p t o b e g i n t o o s o o n . The “great crowd,” including many of the earliest members thereof, w i l l s u r v i v e i n t o t h e “ n e w e a r t h. ”
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Book WTG:The Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand
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Chapter 25: Reviving the Two Witnesses, page 170, paragraph 24
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24 What a shock for those persecutors! The corpses of the two witnesses were suddenly alive and active again. It was a bitter pill for those clergymen to swallow, the more so since the Christian ministers whom they had schemed to put in prison were free again, later to be fully exonerated. The shock must have been even greater when, in September 1919, the Bible Students held a convention in Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A. Here J. F. Rutherford, recently released from prison, stirred conventioners with his talk “Announcing the Kingdom,” based on Revelation 15:2 and Isaiah 52:7. T h o s e
o f t h e J o h n c l a s s b e g a n o n c e a g a i n t o “ p r o p h e s y , ” or preach publicly. They advanced from strength to strength, fearlessly exposing Christendom’s hypocrisy.
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Jeremiah Chapter 28 (N W T Study Edition
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1 In that same year, in the beginning of the reign of King Zed·e·kiʹaha of Judah, in the fourth year, in the fifth month, the
p r o p h e t H a n · a · n i ʹ a h he son of Azʹzur from Gibʹe·onb said to me in the house of Jehovah in the presence
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of the priests and all the people:
2 “ T h i s i s w h a t J e h o v a h o f a r m i es , t h e G o d o f I s r a e l , sa y s , ‘I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3 Within two years* I am bringing back to this place all the utensils of the house of Jehovah that King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon took from this place and brought to Babylon.’”
4 “‘And I will bring back to this place Jec·o·niʹahe son of Je·hoiʹa·kim, the king of Judah, and all the exiles of Judah who have gone to Babylon,’ declares Jehovah, ‘for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.’”
5 Then J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t s p o k e t o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t in the presence of the
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6 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t said: “Amen!* May Jehovah do this! May Jehovah fulfill your words that you
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prophesied by bringing back from Babylon to this place the utensils of the house of Jehovah and all the exiled people!
7 However, hear, please, this message that I am speaking in your ears and in the ears of all the people.
8 L o n g a g o t h e p r o p h e t s w h o w e r e p r i o r t o m e a n d p r i o r t o y o u
u s e d t o p r o p h e s y c o n c e r n i n g m a n y l a n d s a n d g r e a t k i n g d o m s , about war, calamity, and pestilence.
9 I f a p r o p h e t p r o p h e s i e s a b o u t p e a c e
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a n d t h e w o r d o f t h a t p r o p h e t c o m e s t r u e ,
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t h e n i t w i l l b e k n o w n t h a t J e h o v a h t r u l y s e n t t h a t p r o p h e t .”
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10 At that H a n a n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t took the yoke bar off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah and broke it.
11 Han·a·niʹah then said in the presence of all the people: “This is what Jehovah says, ‘Just like this I will break the yoke of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon from off the neck of all the nations within two years.’”i And Jeremiah the prophet went on his way.
12 After H a n · a · n i ʹa h t h e p r o p h e t had broken the yoke bar from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, this message of Jehovah came to Jeremiah:
13 “Go and say to Han·a·niʹah, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “You have broken yoke bars of wood,j but instead of them you will make yoke bars of iron.”
14 For this is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, says: “I will put an iron yoke bar on the neck of all these nations, to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon, and they must serve him. Even the wild beasts of the field I will give him.”’”
15 J e r e m i a h t h e p r o p h e t then said to H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t : “Listen, please, O
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H a n · a · n i ʹ a h ! J e h o v a h h a s n o t s e n t y o u ,
b u t y o u h a v e c a u s e d t h i s p e o p l e t o t r u s t i n a l i e.
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16 Therefore this is what Jehovah says, ‘Look! I am removing you from the face of the ground.
T h i s y e a r y o u w i l l d i e , f o r y o u h a v e u r g e d r e b e l l i o n a g a i n s t J e h o v a h .’
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17 S o H a n · a · n i ʹ a h t h e p r o p h e t d i e d i n t h a t y e a r , in the seventh month.
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John 11:24-27
“Martha replied, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
“Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
“Yes, Lord,” she answered, “I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.”
How would the Babylon the great falling come first it doesn’t make any sense…. The scripture is clear and makes sense that the battle of Armageddon coming first and then God defeated Babylon the great during the battle.
Babylon the Great falling and getting destroyed are two separate events.
God gathering his Witnesses out of false religion is Babylon the Great falling. Rev 18:4. The destruction of Babylon the Great is shortly to occur.
Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion.
@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: Babylon the Great falling and getting destroyed are two separate events.
God gathering his Witnesses out of false religion is Babylon the Great falling. Rev 18:4. The destruction of Babylon the Great is shortly to occur.
Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion.
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Unfortunately, you have not taken into account the crucial aspect in your reasoning.
Babylon the Great is representative of all the organizations and institutions that have persecuted and fought the individual true witnesses of Jesus since time immemorial,not only in the last hundred years.
In this respect, the attack of these institutions has always been directed not against any particular earthly organization, but against the individual true members of the body of Christ.
Revelation 17,5-6 +1 4 ( N W T Study Edition)
5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”
6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the b l o o d o f t h e h o l y o n e s and with
t h e b l o o d o f th e w i t n e s s e s o f J e s u s.
14 These will battle with the L a m b , but because h e i s L o r d o f l o r d s a n d K i n g o f k in g s , the Lamb will conquer them. A l s o , t h o s e w i t h h i m w h o a r e c a l l e d a n d c h o s e n and faithful will do so.”
In this regard, the Watchtower Society is to be identified as one of the organizations that persecutes the true members of the Body of Christ, as it negates the core teachings of the Gospel and strives to suppress them by all means.
Questions to the Bible scholar
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1.) Have you come to realize that Jehovah's organization is part of Babylon the Great, which will one day be completely destroyed?
2.) Have you noticed that in the book of Revelation itself, at this crucial point, it speaks of "witnesses of Jesus" and not of "Jehovah's witnesses", who are seen from God's point of view as the true saints and elect until the return of Jesus?
A reply has been deleted. Probably someone has something to hide.
Babylon the Great's fall is it being unable to stop right hearted people leaving these false religions and becoming JWs. Micah 4:1-5. Rev 18:4.
The DESTRUCTION of all false religion is just ahead. NEVER to raise its head again.
@@jimjuri6490 to your more than disturbing comment: A reply has been deleted. Probably someone has something to hide.
Babylon the Great's fall is it being unable to stop right hearted people leaving these false religions and becoming JWs. Micah 4:1-5. Rev 18:4.
The DESTRUCTION of all false religion is just ahead. NEVER to raise its head again.
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Unfortunately, you have not taken into account the crucial aspect in your reasoning.
Babylon the Great is representative of all the organizations and institutions that have persecuted and fought the individual true witnesses of Jesus since time immemorial,not only in the last hundred years.
In this respect, the attack of these institutions has always been directed not against any particular earthly organization, but against the individual true members of the body of Christ.
Revelation 17,5-6 +1 4 ( N W T Study Edition)
5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”
6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the b l o o d o f t h e h o l y o n e s and with
t h e b l o o d o f t h e w i t n e s s e s o f J e s u s.
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14 These will battle with the L a m b , but because h e i s L o r d o f l o r d s a n d K i n g o f k i n g s , the Lamb will conquer them. A l s o , t h o s e w i t h h i m w h o a r e c a l l e d a n d c h o s e n and faithful will do so.”
In this regard, the Watchtower Society is to be identified as one of the organizations that persecutes the true members of the Body of Christ, as it negates the core teachings of the Gospel and strives to suppress them by all means.
Questions to the Bible scholar
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1.) Have you come to realize that Jehovah's organization is part of Babylon the Great, which will one day be completely destroyed?
2.) Have you noticed that in the book of Revelation itself, at this crucial point, it speaks of "witnesses of Jesus" and not of "Jehovah's witnesses", who are seen from God's point of view as the true saints and elect until the return of Jesus?
@@jimjuri6490 Look up " Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society association with DPI"
"The DESTRUCTION of all false religion is just ahead."
Nope.
"Babylon the Great's fall is it being unable to stop right hearted people leaving these false religions and becoming JWs."
Do you have proof?
Reading Revelation, i learned about the two witnesses dressed in sac cloth. They will preach on the streets for 3 and a half years. Never learned about them in the borg
The 2 witnesses are the anointed class. Especially when 8 members of bethel were imprisoned including Judge Rutherford and then unexpectedly they were completely exonerated and released by the US court.
@@roeltingzon758 were they wearing sack cloth ?
@@jeffbrown423 no they werent. But they fulfilled the two witnesses when they were released.
@roeltingzon758 just checking to see if you were serious. Wanna buy a bridge ? I'll let you have for a real good deal
Spoiler alert JW are part of the United Nations Google it that is how I finally woke up thank you
You are my hero thank you
A religious body being part of the United NATIONS?
No wonder 2 Timothy 3:13 is being fulfilled.
@@jimjuri6490 to your paramount comment: A religious body being part of the United NATIONS?
No wonder 2 Timothy 3:13 is being fulfilled.
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You have obviously failed to grasp the true meaning of this remark.
The Watchtower Society itself had been registered as a non-governmental organization with the UN since 1992.
It was only after this fact was exposed by the press and the organization came under increasing pressure from within its own ranks that it terminated its affiliation in 2001.
My goodness. How blind one must be when one is forced again and again to suppress the real truth.
@@jimjuri6490You use to be part of the UN.
Not about opinion but scripture
I didn't know what the JW's believed about the end of the world. Thanks for the concise info on their silliness.
However, I don't think Rev is confusing. That much of the sea & rivers getting poisoned, vegetation ruined, & the populace dying is pretty clear it hasn't happened yet and it's suppose to be read with the understanding of "beast" given in Daniel. I was raised Catholic so ofc they didn't want you reading about the city on 7 hills wicked system.
8:26 That's placing yourself in Jesus's position.
Yep. That is exactly what they do.
Whatever happened to "no one knows the day nor the hour?"
Jesus probably does now. Because God has prepared him to go into battle.
@@jimjuri6490Do you have proof?
The king of the north is Syira.
You made one point that is valid the rest is mockery. You said on one hand we answer for what we have done then on the other hand you say it doesn't matter, which is it? Matthew 16:27
Explain? I said not knowing what happens at the end of the world doesn’t matter. You are judged on your sin, and everyone is guilty. Only by the blood of Christ do you Passover judgement. Do I need to know certain knowledge to be approved at the end of the world?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry what do you think the Bible information is for, is it for you to know or not to know? Revelation 1:3
John 8:32
Revelation 22:18-19
2 Peter 1:20-21
With the disciples of Jesus many times prophecy was not understood until after it happened, like the ressurection if Jesus.
You have to be careful to prove all things.
@@bretherenlee1404 Are you saying that you agree with the WT's take on the end times?
"what do you think the Bible information is for, is it for you to know or not to know?" Wow. What kind of a question is that, if not mockery? There's also a difference between knowing the scripture and making the scripture mean what you want it to mean.
@@bretherenlee1404 Why won't you address his question? You accused him of something -- now back it up.
What's more important, knowing Jesus as your Lord and savior, having assurance of your eternal life, or correctly interpreting prophecy?@@bretherenlee1404
Jude 1 in the NWT says Jesus is God:
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
John 17:3
Go to Kingdom Interlinear: what is the Greek word for ‘only’?
Answer: μόνον
It means ‘only.’
Now:
Jude 1
Read verses 4-5
Verse 4 says Jesus is our only Lord
Go to Kingdom Interlinear:
What’s the Greek word for ‘only’?
It’s the same as in John 17:3 - it’s:
μόνον
What’s the Greek word for ‘Lord’ at the end of verse 4?
It’s: kyrios
That means Jesus is our ONLY LORD.
Now read verse 5 in the Kingdom Interlinear.
Right after saying Jesus is our **ONLY** Lord (kyrios), Jude writes that the Lord (same Greek word: kyrios) saved a people out of the land of Egypt.
That means Jesus - our only Lord - saved the people out of the land in Egypt.
That means Jesus is God.
Look also at verses: 17,21,25 - always Jesus who is called Lord/kyrios.
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Scholars Robert Bowman and Ed Komoszewski say, “Many of the earliest manuscripts actually say ‘Jesus’ instead of ‘the Lord’ in verse 5, and this is most likely the original reading.”[1]
Bowman and Komoszewski explain three principles of textual criticism that support this conclusion.
First, “All other things being equal, the earlier and more widely attested reading is to be preferred.” As Bowman and Komoszewski go on to explain, while “both ‘Lord’ and ‘Jesus’ are among the earliest readings…‘Jesus’ is more widely attested” among the manuscripts. Additionally, the reading “Jesus” has “much greater support from the early translations of the New Testament into other languages (such as Coptic, Ethiopic, and Latin translations including the Latin Vulgate - all say ‘Jesus’) and better support from the early church’s leading biblical scholars, including Jerome (early fifth century) and possibly the third-century Origen.”[2] This external evidence strongly supports the “Jesus” reading.
Second, in textual criticism, the harder reading is more likely to be original since, as Bowman and Komoszewski explain, “a scribe is more likely to change a text from something that sounds strange to something that doesn’t, rather than the other way around.”[3] Again, in this case, “Jesus” is to be preferred over “Lord.”
Third, “whatever reading is more likely to have given rise to the others as alterations is probably the original reading.” When considering this principle, Bowman and Komoszewski once again argue that “Jesus” is probably original “because it is more likely that scribes would change ‘Jesus’ (the admittedly harder reading) to ‘Lord’…but not vice versa.”[4]
Thus, according to the principles of textual criticism, the evidence indicates that Jude 5 originally identified Jesus explicitly as the one who saved Israel out of Egypt. But even if Jude 5 originally said “the Lord,” again, the context reveals that this Lord in verse 5 is the same Lord from verse 4, Jesus.
[1] Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski, Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007), p. 98
[2] Ibid.
[3] Ibid., 99
[4] Ibid.
Good job. However, you missed something very important: If Jesus is Kurios in Jude, then Jesus can't be Michael the Archangel as JWs claim because in v. 9, Michael appeals to Kurios to rebuke Satan.
In 25 verses, we are told 4 times explicitly that Jesus is Kurios. In the verses that it is not explicit, vv. 5, 9, and 14, two are definitely referring to Jesus and the other is almost certainly referring to Jesus.
As you pointed out, the textual variant in v. 5 has Jesus in place of Kurios. UBS5 gives "Jesus" a {C} rating, which means that the evidence for "Jesus" is superior to the evidence for "Kurios". But, even if we take Kurios over Jesus, the verse is saying that Jesus delivered the people from Egypt.
In v. 14, the one coming with his holy ones (saints) is Jesus. Paul says the same thing in 1Thes 3:13.
So, Jesus is explicitly called Kurios 4 times and is definitely the referent of Kurios in v. 5 (if we take Kurios as the proper variant) and v. 14. The Father is never referred to as Kurios in the Book. Jesus is called "Our ONLY master and Kurios" in v. 3. Therefore, it is clear that Jesus is Kurios in v. 9, which means that he cannot be Michael.
@@BasicBiblicalTruthThank you for the extra information 👍🏻😃
May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly.
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There are so many articles online which support this.
Here’s another article’s conclusion:
Not only does the reading of “Jesus” in verse 5 have the strongest support from a variety of early witnesses (e.g., A B 33 81 88 322 424 665 915 1241(1735: “the Lord Jesus”) 1739 1881 2298 2344 vg co eth Or Cyr Hier Bede), but the variants demonstrate that scribes were uncomfortable with it, for they seemed to exchange κύριος (kurios, “Lord”) or θεός (theos, “God”) for ᾿Ιησοῦς (though P has the intriguing reading θεὸς Χριστός [theos Christos, “God Christ”] for ᾿Ιησοῦς). As difficult as the reading ᾿Ιησοῦς is, in light of v. 4 and in light of the progress of revelation (Jude being one of the last books in the NT to be composed), it is wholly appropriate. The NA text now also reads Ιησοῦς. For defense of this reading, see Philipp Bartholomä, “Did Jesus Save the People out of Egypt: A Re-examination of a Textual Problem in Jude 5, ” NovT 50 (2008): 143-58.
Yes, your last quotation is almost verbatim what the NET Bible note says. If you don't already use the NET Bible, you should-the notes are fantastic.
You say that you believe that the book of revelation is speaking of the early church, I do also along with coded messages speaking on Emperor Nero or Emperor Domitian
Rev 1:9 I John, your brother and a sharer with you in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in association with Jesus, was on the island called Patʹmos for speaking about God and bearing witness concerning Jesus. 10 BY INSPIRATION I CAME TO BE IN THE LORD'S DAY,
The Lord's day began only in the last Century. Revelation is about our time.
@@jimjuri6490 are you sure about that? How do you know for certain
@@jimjuri6490It is obviously necessary to remind you that it was you yourself who, in one of your last remarks, quoted the following prophecy of the Apostle Peter about the parousia, or "the day of the Lord."
If you look closely at the text, you will notice that Peter used the terms "parousia" and "day of the Lord" interchangeably in his letter.
Thus, in verses 10 and 12, according to the original text handed down to us, Peter chose the word "Kyrios" and not the name Jehovah. You can verify this fact for yourself by consulting your preferred interlinear translation.
In this passage, the Apostle Peter makes it clear that the event of the parousia Christi or the "Day of the Lord" will bring about a fundamental turning point in world history as we know it, comparable to the Flood at the time of Noah.
2 Peter chapter 3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 F i r s t o f a l l k n o w t h i s , t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e with their
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ridicule, p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s
4 and saying: “Where is this promised
p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) of his?
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W h y , f r o m t h e d a y o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h ,
a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y
a s t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’s b e g i n n i n g . ”
5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
7 B u t b y t h e s a m e w o r d
t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h t h a t n o w e x i s t
a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e
and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.
8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h
9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s* (note :greek " K y r i o s " ) d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f ,
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l i n w h i c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l p a s s a w a y w i t h a r o a r,
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a n d e a r t h an d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d .
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 as you await and keep close in mind*
t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h , (note: "Kyrios")
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t h r o u g h w hi c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l b e d e s t r o y e d i n f l a m e s
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a n d t h e e l e m e n t s w i l l m e l t i n t h e i n t e n s e h e a t !
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13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s and a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
The apostle Peter emphasized that this event will occur unforeseen, even for the true followers of Christ.
For this reason, all of the Watchtower's predictions in this regard are doomed to failure.
In addition, Peter explained that the parousia will take place in a scenario that will be perceptible to all people on earth like a tremendous natural spectacle.
How can the Parousia Christi have run its course more than 100 years ago, when humanity is still plagued by the same adversities as is has been since the dawn of creation? (see verse 4).
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What prediction and warning did Jesus Christ himself leave to his true followers regarding his parousia, or "the Lord's day"? (Matthew 24:23-27, Luke 17:22-24, Matthew 24:40-44)
@@MrPoohman1981 : I quoted why Revelation was given. I trust the Bible.
The Lord's day only began in 1914 when Jesus was appointed King by God and God's Kingdom became a reality.
Psalms 110:1-3.
@@jimjuri6490 to your comment: I quoted why Revelation was given. I t r u s t t h e B i b l e .
The Lord's day only began in 1914 when Jesus was appointed King by God and God's Kingdom became a reality.
Psalms 110:1-3.
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How can you pretend to trust the Bible when you deny the unequivocal statements of the apostle Peter?
The Apostle Peter emphasized that the parousia or "day of the Lord" will also occur unforeseen for the true followers of Christ, which means, that this event does not allow for mathematical calculation, and that the parousia of Christ or the "day of the Lord" will manifest itself in a scenario that will be perceptible to all people on earth, comparable to the flood of Noah's day.
Question to the Bible scholar
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Do you trust the teachings of the divinely inspired apostle Peter or the contrary statements of modern religious leaders who have had to admit that they are not endowed with the gift of divine inspiration?
2 Peter chapter 3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken* by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 F i r s t o f a l l k n o w t h i s , t h a t i n t h e l a s t d a y s r i d i c u l e r s w i l l c o m e with their
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ridicule, p r o c e e d i n g a c c o r d i n g t o t h e i r o w n d e s i r e s
4 and saying: “Where is this promised
p r e s e n c e (note: " P a r o u s i a " ) of his?
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W h y , f r o m t h e d a y o u r f o r e f a t h e r s f e l l a s l e e p i n d e a t h ,
a l l t h i n g s a r e c o n t i n u i n g e x a c t l y
a s t h e y w e r e f r o m c r e a t i o n ’s b e g i n n i n g . ”
5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God;
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
7 B u t b y t h e s a m e w o r d
t h e h e a v e n s a n d t h e e a r t h t h a t n o w e x i s t
a r e r e s e r v e d f o r f i r e
and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.
8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h
9 Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 B u t J e h o v a h ’ s* (note :greek " K y r i o s " ) d a y w i l l c o m e a s a t h i e f ,
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l i n w h i c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l p a s s a w a y w i t h a r o a r,
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b u t t h e e l e m e n t s b e i n g i n t e n s e l y h o t wi l l b e d i s s o l v e d ,
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a n d e a r t h an d t h e w o r k s i n i t w i l l b e e x p o s e d .
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 as you await and keep close in mind*
t h e p r e s e n c e (note: "P a r o u s i a " ) o f t h e d a y o f J e h o v a h , (note: "Kyrios")
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t h r o u g h w hi c h t h e h e a v e n s w i l l b e d e s t r o y e d i n f l a m e s
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a n d t h e e l e m e n t s w i l l m e l t i n t h e i n t e n s e h e a t !
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13 But there are n e w h e a v e n s and a n e w e a r t h that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
The apostle Peter emphasized that this event will occur unforeseen, even for the true followers of Christ.
For this reason, all of the Watchtower's predictions in this regard are doomed to failure.
In addition, Peter explained that the parousia will take place in a scenario that will be perceptible to all people on earth like a tremendous natural spectacle.
How can the Parousia Christi have run its course more than 100 years ago, when humanity is still plagued by the same adversities as is has been since the dawn of creation? (see verse 4).
Question to the Bible scholar
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What prediction and warning did Jesus Christ himself leave to his true followers regarding his parousia, or "the Lord's day"? (Matthew 24:23-27, Luke 17:22-24, Matthew 24:40-44)
Not quite correct are you Babylon fell in chapter 14.8 but in chapter 16 she was remembered by God regarding her destruction. Do they have it wrong it's highly likely and it looks like you do too.
14 is a quick summary of what is to happen, 16 gives the sequence of wrath. 17,18 explain the events. Says the “great city”,
@@LightoverDarkMinistry agreed
For someone to say that you don't know how the world will end, you certainly have a strong and inaccurate opinion about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. I have examined many faiths interpretation of how the world will end, and trust me, you can make a comedy video about them too.
Example?
There are so many things that this guy got wrong here about what JW believe. And his interpretation at the end is also totally wrong. He says that the real good news is that everyone can be forgiven by their trust in Jesus. And not by works. But Jesus said that the one who does the Will of his Father is the one who will be saved. And faith without works is dead. And so if you say that you trust in Jesus, but your works show that you don't, then just saying that you trust in Jesus will not save you. You have to have the works that show that you trust in Jesus and that you do the Will of God. But the good news of the kingdom is that there will be a Millennial reign of Christ in which the majority of mankind will be resurrected back to the earth and get their real first chance at salvation. And he totally ignores the purpose for the Millennial reign of Christ if everyone is saved in this life.
Let's talk about the end. One thing to note is that the book of Revelation is very symbolic and not everything is to be taken literally. And it doesn't happen in chronological order. The bible plainly says that there will be a great tribulation. It says that no one will survive it if it did not end. But on account of the chosen ones, the days of the great tribulation will end. And so, only the chosen ones will survive it. And the chosen ones, or great crowd, are mentioned in Rev.7-15 as coming out of the great tribulation.
So what about Armageddon. Well, Armageddon happens after the great tribulation. And if only the chosen ones survives, then who is left to fight this battle of Armageddon. Rev.16:14 says that the devil went out to the Kings of the earth, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God the Almighty. And verse 16 says that they gathered them together at a place called Armageddon. But didn't the fleshly kings of the earth die in the great tribulation. Yes!!! So who are the kings of the earth that the devil gathered to fight in this war of Armageddon. The kings of the earth, are actually the invisible demonic kings who are the real rulers of the earth. Because Armageddon is the war between Jesus and his army of invisible Angelic soldiers against the demonic kings of the earth. Fleshly men cannot begin to put up a fight against Jesus and his invisible Angelic soldiers. Remember the account of just one Angel putting to death 185,00 human soldiers in just one night. 2Kings 19:35 So why would the devil choose men to fight against, not one Angel, but an Army of invisible Angels. But other invisible demonic soldiers can give them a fight. Rev.12:7 says that a war broke out in heaven .Michael and his Angels battled with the devil and his Angels. And the result was that the Demonic Angels were cast out of heaven. And so it took a war to cast them out of heaven as they did not just voluntarily leave on their own. And to flash forward to our time. We know that during the 1000 year reign of Christ, the devil will be locked away in an Abyss. Again, it doesn't seem plausible that the devil and his demons will just politely go into the Abyss without a fight. And so. this battle of Armageddon will be Jesus way of forcibly removing the devil and his demon from the rulership of the earth and casting them into the abyss. Rev.20:1-3 As a reference, Daniel 10:13,20
What did I get wrong? I don’t want to misrepresent what another faith teaches, but your response here doesn’t mention where I was wrong about what JW’s believe. Can you be specific?
Name one?
I dont believe you
All this ridiculing JWs about the end is a fulfillment of prophecy.
(2 Peter 3:3, 4) First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”
Which logically means that JWs are Jesus' only True Disciples, those who are awake.
So no response bother than “You said posted a video on JW’s which automatically makes us true.”
So if I do the same with Mormons are they now the truth?
to your more than disturbing commentary:
All this ridiculing JWs about the end is a fulfillment of prophecy.
( 2 P e t e r 3 : 3 , 4 ) First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “ W h e r e i s t h i s p r o m i s e d p r e s e n c e o f h i s ? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”
Which logically means that JWs are Jesus' only True Disciples, those who are awake.
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Unfortunately, as is often the case, you are distorting the truth because you are conditioned to play the role of martyr.
No one denies that Jesus will one day return to establish His kingdom.
From that moment on, the adversities that humanity has had to endure so far will come to an end.
However, your organization is the one that mocks God, since it publicly propagates the message that the parousia that Jesus himself foretold began as early as 1914, although these adversities such as mortality and death continue to afflict humanity.
In the face of this irrefutable fact, are you not aware that the core doctrine of the Watchtower Society, according to which the parousia of Christ began as early as 1914, is untenable?
How is it possible that you are not aware that Jesus Himself and the apostles He commissioned specifically warned His true followers against the propagandists of this doctrine? (Matthew 24:23-27, Luke 17:22-24, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3).
Jim, Jim Jim At least there has been some fulfilment of prophecy coming from D H, as there has been no fulfilment coming from the JWs.
Name one prophecy that your "True Disciples" have predicted. Just one.
1874 wrong
1914 wrong
1915 wrong
1918 wrong
1925 wrong
1941 wrong
1975 wrong
Dear Jim, the Jury has given their verdict, you and your mates at the WT are false prophets.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : There are piles of prophesies that only apply to ONE GROUP that are Jesus' ONLY DISCIPLES.
Matthew 24:9 is about they being hated by the whole world. To be hated by the whole world these have to be identifiable and active in the whole world. Read Matthew 24:14.
Micah 4:1-5 is about the restoration of True Worship in these last days and people embracing it from all nations.
JWs fit ALL the prophecies. It not JWs then name one modern day group which does.
@@RowanTasmanian : The missed dates prove that JWs are Jesus' only disciples who are spiritually awake.
Ridiculing JWs using dates as one is doing is fulling this prophecy.
(2 Peter 3:3, 4) First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”
Who is ridiculing whom and about what?
The book the late great planet Earth by Hal Lindsey 1970 States the rapture 1981 7 years tribulation Armageddon 1988, Lindsay became a multi-millionaire misleading people like you, you can still buy the book online dirt cheap
Lying for the WT.
@@misterauctor7353 lying and exaggerating on the Internet is commonplace and you fit right in, fewer people go to Christian churches today than ever before because of the money grubbing and empty promises. Watch the movie SPOTLIGHT with Michael Keaton, then watch the movie HAWAII were missionaries in 1820 stole the land from the Hawaiians and became fabulously wealthy
@@misterauctor7353Hal Lindsay was the liar, and made a LOT of money, off people like you
@@jeffnoble9757You seem brainwashed.
@@misterauctor7353 everyone's brainwashed, you silly hypocrite
Seems like people really take JWs seriously. Else, what do these videos achieve.
Self preservation makes people deny that what JWs teach is the truth.
"If I deny it, it won't happen."
(Matthew 24:39) and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
Seems like billions are going to lose their lives soon.
Did you watch the video.
"Self... truth."
Jws don't teach the truth.
"Self preservation makes people deny that what JWs teach is the truth."
What JWs teach is not the truth, because it is unlikely to happen.
"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."
"Seems like billions are going to lose their lives soon."
So God is going to commit genocide?
Hmmmm l think you completely misunderstood and you twisting the JW's understanding of their beliefs.
How so? If you think I am please let me know, I don’t want to misrepresent anyone
How?
@@misterauctor7353 Yeah. You said I misunderstood and twisted their views, so you must have some examples. You don’t have to list them all, just a few will do. I’m more than happy to remove the content or issue a retraction or correction, you just need to tell me where I went wrong.
@@LightoverDarkMinistryI was replying to the OP's post. Everythimg you said is correct.
@@misterauctor7353 oops my bad