7 Questions Jehovah's Witnesses Can't Answer
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Another good question to ask is, "Are you born again?"
Most JWs will say, "No." Only the Anointed class are born again, accordingly to JW doctrine.
Take them to John 3:3 and 1:11-12, and kindly inform them that if they are not born ανωθεν 'again/from above" then they are not children of God and will not see his kingdom, which means they will not be on Paradise Earth (which will be part of God's kingdom).
I've tried those, but they go into a pinball "tilt" mode and their heads explode.
@@richbaker7187 G'day Rich, I loved the comment "Pinball Tilt Mode". I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with your family.
Not a good question they know they aren't children of God
@@RowanTasmanian We did. It was a small and quiet Thanksgiving weekend. I love this time of year, and hate it at the same time.
I love it because we slow down a bit due to the holidays coming up. We take care of our employees and give them a dinner with bonuses, for all their hard work. It is usually a slower time for us which allows us to reflect on the last year and take stock of what God has done for us. Top all that off with a celebration of how God entered His creation to dwell with us, die for us, and rise again for us. It is truly a spectacular time of year to look at all God's blessings.
I hate it because every year I have to deal with my wife, who is still JW, and refuses to even have dinner with the family on Thanksgiving. There is NOTHING even remotely pagan about dinner on a Thursday, but she has to go completely out of her way to show her "solidarity" and commitment to her cult. It's frustrating, because she cooks a complete "thanksgiving" meal that weekend prior, or the weekend after. She says "Turkeys were on sale, that's all." When I ask her is turkeys are pagan, she says "No."
Shen I ask her if eating dinner with family on a Thursday if pagan. "No."
I ask her is being thankful is pagan. "No".
So it's the potatoes and stuffing? "No."
So doing it all on the same day is pagan? ....
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silence.....
It's so frustrating. Her cognitive dissonance runs deeeeeeep in that cult.
But I try to make the best of it anyway.
Hope you and your family is doing well this year end holiday season.
@@richbaker7187 Thanks Rich for sharing that. I didn't know that about your wife.That's blown me away. I now understand why you are interested in all this Christian apologetics to JWs. If you ever want to chat, we can do FaceTime etc. Let me know as I'm always here for a chat and 16 years as a trained counsellor I can give a few tips (not for you) but for you to discuss with your wife.
God Bless you Rich and I will be praying.
You should have over a million subscribers, your content is pure GOLD.
2 Timothy 4:3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.
Just a prophecy to show that many will cling on to 'teachers' who tell them what they LIKE TO HEAR.
Keep making these videos! You are unique! I love your videos!
Love all of these points! Great job again I added it to my Telegram❤
I can't thank you enough for your throughly research information. I left the Jw cult in 2022 and still fear cross. Can you please do a video about cross? I'd greatly appreciate it.
The Jehovah's Witnesses can answer any question, with just two words. New light.😥
But, that's not reall an answer.
@@misterauctor7353 It's not meant to be an answer, it's meant as a fact.
JWs are not allowed to ask any questions, and they're not allowed to answer any questions.
@@benjaminfalzon4622
_"JWs are not allowed to ask any questions, and they're not allowed to answer any questions."_
Actually "they are not mentally able" was the term you were looking for.
@@nonconformist4802 That sounds right too.
😂😂😂😂 sounds about right
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Great video!!
Excellent !!
This is such a brilliant video!👏👏👏👏👏
a one hundred and forty year false religion Dismantled in eleven minutes. forgive me for lack of a better word but, this was EPIC ! bring on Matt and Mr dc3
How can the TRUTH be dismantled by opposers?
Many JWs were once part of the churches and its conflicting dogmas.
What 'NEW' thing can anyone teach JWs?
All these videos are to discourage people from learning the truth. Fulfilment of Matthew 24:9 I believe.
@@jimjuri6490 you call what the jws are brainwashed in the truth? have You Watched the full video? be honest in your answer please. this channel has provided countless studies and truths of scripture in the hebrew greek and the english at the same time exposing the watch tower false doctrine that tends to flip flop all too much how can the watch tower ever claim to have truth when their truth changes like underwear.
@@jimjuri6490Are you a member of the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society of PA?
@@mikewayne6608 : I certainly am not.
@@jimjuri6490 Why are you so passionate about defending the WBTS if you are not a Witness?
Love your work brother 🙏🏾
Same here! Especially his recent video on Baptism.
Love the video. Just a correction/update. 2013 July Watchtower “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” Par. 17-19 says they’re NOT yet appointed as Faithful Slave.
Are you aware of the Dueteronimists? They actually DID take many plain teachings out of the OT. I'm not saying that the Bible ought to be thrown out, but it is important to know we don't have the fullness right now. The Lord can lead us and teach us directly those things that are unclear or blurry in the Bible. It is still His word. However, truth is truth and can not change, so when He adds new light, it will build on what we have, not change it 180 degrees, which i think is your point.
Your videos are so useful as I'm meeting with a JW each week, in the hope she'll come to Jesus. ❤
Well done sir
Great job! Concise and accurately explained.
RELEASE the TROLLS.
this was a good video. most other videos about JW's always cover the same topics ad nauseam
I know! It is always about using some ruse to MAKE Jesus into God. Finding fault with JWs who do not believe Jesus was God is popular. It attracts strange bedfellows.
I’m actually a bit sick of even thinking about convincing them that they’re wrong. My boss is a JW and I can’t take him seriously. It’s objectively untrue and completely incredible to have been waiting for the end to happen ‘any day now’ for 150 years. It’s laughable. So ridiculous that they can’t be reasoned out of their beliefs, because their beliefs are so unreasonable to begin with. Like trying to convince a three year old that Santa doesn’t exist.
It’s an absolute waste of time trying to talk to them.
Anything JWs are wrong about? Not about the end which all disciples have had mistaken views on (cf Acts 1:6). But any major doctrine.
@@christinek2105 Not a waste! There are so many ex-JWs out there who started to wake up because of words that were said to them. As a Christian, I pray for God to take the blinders off of their eyes and reveal the true gospel and true Jesus to them. (2 Cor.4:3-4) My words are seeds planted. It's not up to me to make them grow, but it is my calling to sow the seeds.
@@jimjuri6490 Anything? You mean like...
1874,
1914,
1918,
1919,
1925, (How's that whole Beth Sarem thing working out for you?)
1943, (How many months is a few?)
1975, ("Stay alive 'til '75!" Okay, check. Been here since '62. Now what?)
Their assertion that membership in an organization is required for salvation.
Salvation depends on your support of the governing body.
Only the channel can understand the bible. Without the channel, you can never find the truth, no matter how much Bible reading you do. (So, what did y'all do before Russell?)
Door to door preaching is required for salvation.
"Holy spirit" is some kind of invisible, impersonal energizing force.
The entire concept of "new light".
The Gospel.
The Kingdom.
An anointed class exists.
Only the anointed are born again.
Their teachings are "The Truth".
The NWT.
The governing body.
Jesus was raised as a spirit, and faked a physical body to convince the disciples that his resurrection was as they expected. (That would make him a liar.)
etc... etc... etc...
CT Russell and J Rutherford couldn't even agree on the cross or Christmas, and they RAN the outfit...
@@jimjuri6490the disciples didn't go claiming the end was going to come in a set date such as 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 which failed to come true every time . They were teaching lies
Don't try to change them. Just pray for them.
Depends on who to pray to?
Isaiah 1:15 And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you.
Although you offer many prayers, I am not listening;
Your hands are filled with blood.
1, 2 and 5 are good questions. The rest would just go in one ear and out the other for a witness.
1.If Jehovah's name was removed from the Bible,why should we believe any of the Bible?
2. What evidence do you have that Jesus chose the faithful slave in 1919?
3 Why do t you worship Jesus?
4.Who is your mediator?
5. Has the organisation ever taught anything that is scripturally incorrect?
6.If the name Jehovah is so important ,how come Jesus didn't use it?
7.Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus?
Another good question is "Why do you not partake of the bread and wine?" they will say, "I'm not of the anointed class I have an earthly hope" don't asked them to explain that rabbit hole to you, just share that
John
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
This discourse is from John 6:47,58
Your point about the bread and wine is valid-all Christians are _commanded_ to keep that ordinance. However, Jesus' statement in John is not about the Lord's supper. As DA Carson points out:
“None of this means there is no allusion in these verses to the Lord’s table. But such allusions as exist prompt the thoughtful reader to look behind the eucharist, to that to which the eucharist itself points. In other words, eucharistic allusions are set in the broader framework of Jesus’ saving work, in particular his cross-work. Moreover, by the repeated stress in this discourse on Jesus’ initiative, no room is left for a magical understanding of the Lord’s table that would place God under constraint : submit to the rite, and win eternal life! Both the feeding miracle and the Lord’s table, rightly understood, parabolically set out what it means to receive Jesus Christ by faith.”[1]
I hope you take this correction as a help rather than a slap-down. You've made a good point. If JWs claim to be followers of Jesus, then they should, as Jesus commanded, be partaking of the Lord's supper/eucharist. So why aren't they?
[1] Donald A. Carson, The Gospel according to John (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1991), ePub, 6:53-54.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 I have only one thing to say about all that, when Jesus did institute the taking of the bread and wine..at the last supper, He would say" , “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
Yes, he did. Was that in John's Gospel? No. Was it in the context of John 6? No.
You've made a good point. Don't ruin it by appealing to something out of context.
@@kevinjackson2361 they don't connect John 6 with the bread and wine
Perhaps it is because the partaking of the bread and the wine is only for those Jesus made a covenant with.
Luke 22:28 “However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I MAKE A COVENANT WITH YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may EAT AND DRINK AT MY TABLE in my Kingdom, and SIT ON THRONES to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
If everyone will sit on thrones, wouldn't we have a problem? Whom are they going to rule over?
Who are those whom Jesus said will INHERIT the Earth (Matthew 5:5).
A smart person doesn't argue with a fool.
The original founder Charles Taze Russell, never said much about the name Jehovah. According to the Watchtower, he was the Faithful and Discreet Slave. It took from 1879 until 1931 for the name Jehovah to be adopted. THAT'S 52 YEARS.
52 Years in a nameless wilderness.
Again according to the Watchtower, Jesus took command of the Watchtower in 1919, if the erroneous name "Jehovah" was so important, why didn't the organisation have the name Jehovah originally ?????
It then took from 1919 until 1931 for Jesus to be advised by Jehovah saying "Hey Jesus, I think my name Jehovah should be used as a name for a group of people in New York and is being operated by Mr Rutherford who has anti semitic leanings and is an admirer and supporter of the Third Reich and the Nazi Party"
So, in 1931, the JWs created the name "Jehovah's Witnesses", The very same years they supported the Third Reich and the Nazi Party.
The Watchtower use the name Jehovah only as a "Marketing Exercise".
Lol, I suppose they must have angered Hitler and that is why he treated the JWs as he did the Jews, throwing them in concentration camps.
@@MommaBear-ml5zxExactly there's a channel on YT explaining it
Wow, Rowan, excellent.
Good work.
Blessings from Arizona, hope all is well.
@@mattmurdock2868 you believe anything except the truth.
@@mattmurdock2868 Thanks Matt. All is well here. The WT leave themselves wide open on many fronts due to theirs being a man made doctrine. I think the absolute clanger is their doctrine on the Faithful and Discreet Slave. I will be writing a similar piece like the one above about this doctrine. You'll get a laugh I promise.
Thanks again Matt. As always, I look forward to your apologetics and comments on these matters. Your insights never get an adequate response from our JW friends.
In the parable of Matt 24:45, the master is going away. Otherwise, why would verse 46 mention his return, right? Can we agree on that?
If, then, Jesus came back in 1914 and was *_already here,_* why would he need to appoint a slave to serve until he returned if that return *_had already happened?_* He can't return if he's already here, can he? How can you believe he came back in 1914 *_and_* believe he needed to appoint (in 1919) a slave until he returned?
@@user-xo2mp4yf7b That's pretty convenient, isn't it? He's invisible, so his presence can't be disputed and must be assumed? Why? Because the GB says so? But that conflicts with what scripture says about his coming. How will he "come" to execute judgment if he's already here, visible or not? What scripture supports your assertion that he returned *_invisibly?_*
:@@user-xo2mp4yf7b Thanks for providing that scripture. It looks like you're basing your response on the definition of παρουσία (parousía), then? Assuming that's the case...
I checked the *_first 20 translations_* listed on BlueLetterBible so there was no cherry-picking on my part. All of them translated παρουσία (parousía) as "coming" in this verse, not as "presence". That word is translated 24 times, with 21-22 of them having it as "coming", depending on the translation. The only other verses in the majority of those translations that translate it as "presence" are:
"For they say, 'His letters are weighty and strong, but his personal presence is weak and his words contemptible.'” - 2 Cor 10:10.
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" - Phil 2:12
If the word means "coming" (as pretty much EVERY translation other than the NWT sees it), then your comment that "If the presence was visible, then, the need for a sign would be pointless" is moot. Let's face it --- no one but the WT thinks it means "presence", and the NWT is widely understood to be hugely biased and inaccurate in its handling of scripture.
If you're going to support your argument that Jesus is already here invisibly, you're going to need to do better than a single quote from a biased and untrustworthy source.
Let's examine the WT's record on the subject.
1897: “Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D.” -- Studies in the Scriptures, vol 4, p621. Apparently, they changed their mind about this. If his presence is invisible, why would they need to do that?
1899: “…the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev 16:14), which will end in 1914 with the complete overthrow of Earth’s present rulership, is already commenced.”
-- The Time is at Hand, p101. So, according to my calendar, it's been 109 years and Earth's "present rulership" seems pretty much intact. I haven't seen a lot of overthrowing going on.
1916: “The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great, 1000-year days starting with Adam are ended, and the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ’s Reign, began in 1873.” -- The Time is at Hand forward, pii (1916). It seems like they're having a little trouble figuring out what their position actually is, doesn't it? What exactly is supposed to happen under "Christ's Reign", if it began in 1873? Or 1874? Or 1914? Or whenever they come up with next?
1918: “… we confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection.” -- Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p89. How's that working out for you all so far? Enjoying some quality time wtih Abraham, are you?
1931: “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time... And they also learned to quit fixing dates.” -- Vindication, p338. No, no... they didn't. In 1943, they said "Armageddon will take place 'within a few months'”. In 1968, they claimed that the six 1,000-year days of human history would end in 1975. I was around in 1975, but don't remember history ending.
Throughout the organization's history, they have lurched from one prophetic face-plant to the next. So, why should anyone trust them when they say, after a long string of false assertions, that Jesus returned in 1914, and we just can't see him? Do you see why such claims are completely lacking in credibility? You can't just creatively misuse one Greek word in one verse and come up with an entirely new and unscriptural description of Jesus' return. Let's face the facts here. They're guessing, and always have been. They're not "the channel", and they're not hearing from God.
What else ya got there, mate?
@@user-xo2mp4yf7b Once he returns, why would he still need a slave? You're still focused on what you think is a prophecy, and missing the point of the parable. Please tell me -- what do you think is the point of the parable? Or do you think it's not a parable at all?
@@user-xo2mp4yf7b Okay, well... This has become pointless. You're still insisting that Matt 24:45 is a prophecy, that some sort of sign of a presence that hasn't happened is necessary, and all without providing evidence other than to just declare all non-NWT translations as inaccurate or biased. Saying the same thing endlessly doesn't make it true.
@@user-xo2mp4yf7b It's not my job to prove it's not. Can you PROVE that 1914 happened? Or that Jehovah named the WT his organization and abandoned the Jews? Or that Jesus appointed ANYONE in 1919, let alone you guys? If you're going to make claims that like to divine authority, the burden of proof is on you.
Litreo
To our JW friends: If what you believe is wrong, would you want to know?
If any JW believed in anything but the scriptures, these wouldn't have left the churches. Because those church members searching found the TRUTH, they became JWs. See John 8:31,32.
Doesn't that make sense.
@@jimjuri6490 What you said could apply to anyone from any group, *_including those who decided to leave the WatchTower._* You didn't answer my question. I'll ask the question again. *If it turned out that what you believe isn't true, would you want to know that?* I certainly would. Truth is more important than unity or the doctrines of men.
Seriously --- think about it and answer honestly. Answer for yourself, not for others --- YOU. If you were presented with proof that what you believe is wrong, would you want to know, or would you prefer to continue to believe in something that wasn't true?
@@evanwindom3265 : Here is the answer.
John 6:67 So Jesus said to the Twelve: “You do not want to go also, do you?” 68 Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, WHOM SHALL WE GO AWAY TO? You have sayings of everlasting life. 69 We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
People become JWs after learning the TRUTH. How can they find another truth? How can that make sense?
How many TRUTH can there be?
All these videos are designed to:
Matthew 23:13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.
"If we are going to perish, let's take JWs down with us." Seems to be the mentality.
@@jimjuri6490
_"People become JWs after learning the TRUTH."_
EVERY denomination do have the same mentality, The word of God says you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free, Right?
Yet your cult and YOU didn't found Him yet, for He is a nobody according to you.
So who or what is your so called truth?
And then the silence ensued...
The reason that the NT does not use the name of the Hebrew god is that most of it is a second century Hellenistic, production. Revelation is a very late, possibly the latest production.
The NT was written in Greek; the lingua franca of the Roman Empire.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Exactly! Marcion quotes Hebrew not greek in the early Pauline texts and that is one thing the early church fathers do not criticise him for.
@@dunk_law I don't understand where you're going with your comment.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth This guy is trying to deconstruct JWs, but all the beliefs and texts of the orthodox bible and belief can be deconstructed and they know it, thets why some regress into KJVonlyism. He hangs too much on a few words, but basically ignores the OT texts, unless he want to use them as an NT proof text. Try watching History Valley instead and get some real scholarship as opposed to apologetic disguised as scholarship.
@@dunk_law I still don't understand your complaint.
Why JWs don't debate❓🤔 They don't want to be like Paul ❓ Paul debated, argued, and defended the gospel publicly 😊
Acts 18:28 ESV
for *_he powerfully refuted the Jews in public,_* showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:2 KJV
But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with *_much contention._*
Acts 9:29 ESV
And *_he spoke and disputed against_* the Hellenists. But they were seeking to kill him.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 ESV
For the *weapons of our warfare* are not of the flesh but have divine power to *destroy strongholds.* [5] *_We destroy arguments_** and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,*
Is there a difference between ‘truth’ and ‘Truth’?
Yes. One is capitalized.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You know what I’m talking about.
Let me ask a different question:
Is there a difference between a rare event (a ‘singularity’), and a miracle?
Wouldn't the more accurate way to phrase the question be "Is there a difference between 'truth' and 'THE Truth'" as the term is so often used by JWs? That changes the meaning from a type of thing to a specific thing. I think JWs use that distinction to soft sell what they teach as being true, whether it is or not.
@@Brickzot Yes. Rare events happen all the time, within the laws of nature. A Miracle would be something supernatural, where the laws of nature are altered for a specific outcome.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Do you have a working hypothesis test for the existence of the supernatural?
Good video, jws certainly do not like questions, particularly questions that shake their deeply held beliefs. As a spiritual person, and one who follows the teaching of love by Jesus, I have a question for you. Who is Jesus' father? Christians, as well as jws and others, believe Jesus' father is the god of the OT. But, is this really true? The OT god killed Egypt's firstborn, killed an innocent baby for what his parents did, David & Bathsheba. Another example of this OT god killing innocents is found in two places describing one event, 1 Chronicles 21:14 & 2 Samuel 24:15. Also, consider what Jesus told the Jews at John 8:19, 42-44 and at John 17:25, 26. This is important when you consider the verses from the old testament which clearly identify Israel's father as LORD/YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah. Deuteronomy 32:6; Isaiah 63:16; Isaiah 64:8; Jeremiah 3:4, 19; Jeremiah 31:9; Malachi 1:6; Malachi 2:10
Going back to 1 Chronicles 21 and 2 Samuel 24, look at the first verse in these 2 chapters. Who does it say incited David to take a census of Israel? Take close note that the verses identify 2 different individuals who incited David, or are they really 2 different individuals? When you consider 1 Chronicles 21:14 & 2 Samuel 24:15, could you imagine Jesus doing this?
LORD/Yahweh/YHWH/Jehovah, the god of the old testament, is insecure, demanding, cruel, and violent. These are the qualities attributed to satan. It also explains how Jesus was so different from the OT god, even though people have been conditioned to believe that Jesus is the exact representation of the OT god. Compare the OT god and Jesus to the standard for love found at 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. Does the OT god meet this standard? Jesus does. Just some things to ponder... 2 Corinthians 11:14
That OT God warned Adam not to eat the fruit from a particular tree. Loving Fathers do that. That OT God sent His son as a sacrifice to save mere mortals from everlasting destruction. Something only a loving Father would do.
There are warnings and then there are consequences for not heeding the warnings.
@@MommaBear-ml5zx you're entitled to believe what you want. We were created by source to be free sovereign beings, and you're exercising your sovereignty, that is good. You're right, there are consequences to actions, but as a parent I would never deliberately put a temptation in front of my child with the ultimatum of such a catastrophic consequence like was given Adam. That is the difference between YHWH/satan and true, divine, unconditional love, which YHWH/satan does not possess. Jesus does, though.
@@menacingmistral1271 satans name is lucifer not Jehovah. Jehovah IS the Father of Jesus.
@@menacingmistral1271 as a parent you do put a hot stove in front of your child, yes? You warn them do not touch for you will get burned. Now if that is tempting to touch to the child how does that make you a "bad/evil" parent? It does not.
@@MommaBear-ml5zxwhere is the proof what I said was wrong. Anecdotes and strawman fallacies aren't evidence. Nobody puts a stove in their home specifically as a test for their children. But if that type of person appeals to you, that's your sovereign right. I prefer the unconditional love of source.
First question is a bit silly because the tetragramaton has been removed and replaced with lord...
The answer is basically that they removed it but not because of any sinister reason but they didn't understand it at the time.
We do now
2nd question: I agree
3rd question: we honour jesus with the same honour. But worship belongs to jehovah through the lamb
4th question: I don't see the problem. Those who don't take the mark are given it after anyway
5th question: of course
6th question: jesus quotes the old testament which had gods name in it. Duhh.
7th question: you need to explain that better. Jesus asks us to pray in the name of the father but we can and do talk with jesus in our prayers
All in all basically 2 questions are good, the others are just nonsense
Hello and thanks for the comment. Quick question, are you a JW?
1. As I said in the video, the claim by is that YHWH was removed by apostate Christendom to try and hide it, but that wasn't even the question. If parts of the Bible have been corrupted, why should you believe any of it.
2. :)
3. If I bow down and worship Jesus, which is giving him "λατρεύω" is that wrong since "λατρεύω" should only be given to the Father?
4. What verse is that?
5. I agree. Therefore anything they teach now has the potential to be incorrect, and all JW's are following God incorrectly.
6. As I said in the Video, it's all about the emphasis. JW's use the name Jehovah constantly, but you don't see that from Jesus, it's very few, and only when quoting the OT, (given the oral traditions at the time, he probably said Adonia, but both are unproven ) Point is, he talks about himself about 90% more than he talks about the Father. Within the JW religion, it's the other way around.
7. If you pray to Jesus, that is worship and meant for YHWY alone. Which the JW religion , otherwise, you're communicating with the dead. From www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150101/should-we-pray-to-jesus/ "As we pray to our heavenly Father-and to him alone-the words of"
@@LightoverDarkMinistry 1) the original Bible hasn't been corrupted. There is a difference between translation and iteration
3) if you look at the wording in that scripture then I don't see your point entirely. The lamb isn't worshipped separately so there's no problem...
And now I can't see your reply to 4 so I'll make a new comment 😁
@@LightoverDarkMinistry 4) those who do not take the mark are resurrected and given life eternal agree?
5) yes but I haven't seen them claim what you say. They are clearly wrong about a lot.
6) it's not a stretch by any means. Yes he talks about himself but only as inferior to the father. And he told us to pray to the father
7) we pray in the name of the father which the old testament agrees is jehovah. Jesus seems to have been given this name along with all of the father's honour in John 17. But as you well know, jesus gives the kingdom and the glory and the honor back to the father
@@Simplebibletruths Thanks for the reply. Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I was raised one but I am no longer. I am however a non trinitarian. Jesus and jehovah do appear to share the same divine name, but that name was given to jesus by jehovah. Also I do not believe in the holy spirit as a person
Jesus said God the Father is unknown to us. John 1:18 and John 5:37, "NIV" "It says, you have never heard his voice nor seen his form" The question is, then who was the God that spoke with Moses in the wilderness? The answer is in 1 Cor 10:1-4."KJV" It says, it was Christ.
Then who is Jehovah? Jehovah is the false masonic deity also called Jahbulon.
Jahbulon is the deity whom the Masonic organization worships.
The founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization was "Charles Taze Russel" who previously was a member of the Masonic Organization.
The name Jehovah is the same Masonic god called Jahbulon.
Here is a scripture generally hidden from people by those who want to make Jesus into God.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12.
If we read Hebrews 1:2 it is obvious that Jesus never appeared before the First Century. Jesus was God's last manner of communication between Himself and humans. See verse 1.
@@jimjuri6490 There are no hidden scriptures whatsoever. In fact, many scriptures reveal that Jesus is God the Son.
You are a JW, right? That means that you are a very religious person, but you're not a Christian.
You are told by the governing body not to do any research they will do the research for you, right? Right", that's a Red flag". The governing body members are the ones hiding the scriptures from you.
If I asked you, who was God in the Old Testament, was it God the Father, or was it God the Son, Jesus Christ?.
Your answer will be God the Father, {whom the Watchtower falsely call Jehovah} Your answer will be Wrong.
According to 1 Cor 10:1-4 "NIV" and 1 Cor 10:9 "NIV" It was God the Son, Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 10:1-4 "KJV," and 1 Cor 10:9, "KJV" complement what Jesus said in John 1:18, and John 5:37.
John 5:37, Jesus said, "No one has ever heard God's Voice {meaning God the Father } or seen his form". But didn't Moses hear God's voice and see his form?. Moses saw the Son, not the Father. 1 Cor 10:1-4 and 1 Cor 10:9."ESV" "That is what the Governing body is hiding from you"! WARNING! Do not trust the governing body.
Jesus Christ never had a name until he manifested from spirit into flesh. When Moses asked God his name, Jesus replied, "IAM who I AM". Ex 3:14-15."NIV"
The "NWT" has been doctored and is extremely misleading, Just like the governing body. it says. "I can become whatever I choose to become".Ex3:14 "NWT." WRONG!!! It's a Red Flag.
In fact, Jesus used his alias "IAM" as in Ex 3:14, several times, in the New Testament.
In Ex3:14".Moses asked God for a name, and not what can He become.?
But let's not argue about it. The thing is this. The JWs have a different Jesus. The JW Jesus is a created angel. But the real Jesus is God the Son.
Don't believe the false teachings of the governing body, your salvation is at a very high risk.
"I can become whatever I choose to become is correct' but in a different sense. Since God chose to become a man by the name of Jesus Christ. {Whose idea it was to doctor Ex 3:14 "NWT" really put their own foot in it}.
"God is a Title, not a name. Both God the Father and God the Son share the same Title as God".
I can answer ALL of your questions, but you probably don’t want to listen to that. So it’s up to you. I can really answer them ALL. I presume that you have never digged deep enough into a real conversation with a witness. You are convinced beforehand that they are wrong, so you are not interested anyway in their answer! Right???
I would love to know your answers. You can post it here, or you can email the to me, or we can talk about it one on one publicly or privately
Well? LODM invited you to follow up on your offer and answer the questions. You DID say "I can really answer them ALL." Great! Please -- proceed.
Yeah... uh... still waiting.
Jehovahs witnesse defended. Gregg stafford. Elihu books
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ask them what happens if a wife and husband die before Armageddon... will they be together or even allowed to remarry?? they cant answer this because they know their answer directly messes with free will, and it wakes them up. because the answer they give is No, and Jehovah makes it so they will want to be single. they will have no desire because only the people who survived the great tribulation will be permitted to marry and have kids all those getting resurrected will not be allowed.
One thing is made obvious. JWs are supposed to be able to answer all Bible based questions. The constant asking JWs for answers proves this.
Shouldn't those who claim JWs are false be the ones to do the answering? That will be the day.
Word matching is a devious way to make any connection. One word can mean several things depending on the context.
I love my wife and I love white chocolate. Is this the same type of love?
Anyone who has been made to believe that an Almighty and Immortal God can masquerade in the form of a human and worst of all, get himself killed, needs help of a different kind.
Christians ask JWs questions to demonstrate they cannot provide coherent answers that are supported by the Bible.
The goal of asking JWs questions is to get them to think because the organization doesn't want its members to think.
Here is a question to demonstrate that JWs cannot provide coherent answers:
What objective evidence do you have for the claim that Jesus chose the GB in 1919?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Who guides the over 120,000 congregations in over 235 countries to be able to digest the same spiritual food at the same time and preach the same message worldwide? Some ordinary gang of humans or those appointed by Jesus? Matthew 24:45-47.
How can any group of ordinary humans put out a website in over 1,000 languages?
Think, my good man, think.
Acts 16:4 As they traveled on through the cities, they would deliver to them FOR OBSERVANCE the decrees that had been DECIDED ON by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem (The 1st Century GB). 5 Then, indeed, the congregations continued to be made FIRM IN THE FAITH and to INCREASE in number day by day.
Could these congregations have been independent bodies doing as they pleased?
LOL. As I said, JWs cannot provide answers. I said, give me _objective_ evidence that Jesus chose the GB in 1919. Did you provide objective evidence? No.
Does having 120,000 congregations in 235 countries mean the leaders were chosen by Jesus? No!
There are over 200,000 RC churches in almost every country in the world, so, according to your standard, that means that the RCC is the true church and the pope is the one Jesus chose.
Does having a website in over 1000 languages mean the leaders were chosen by Jesus? No!
The RCC provides people with their religious material in their own language too, so, according to your standard, that means the RCC is the true church and the pope is the one Jesus chose.
These are _subjective_ reasons that *you* believe Jesus chose your leaders, they are not _objective_ reasons.
Furthermore, even if I was convinced by your nonsense subjective evidence for the GB, it still doesn't show that Jesus chose them in 1919.
I don't know if JWs are just ignorant and don't know the difference between subjective and objective evidence, or if they just don't care about evidence, but either way, your response validated my post. JWs cannot provide answers to questions that are asked.
My question to JWs: Why do you insist on quoting scriptures and demanding answers from scripture from people that you believe can't understand the Bible since they don't have the benefit of the WatchTower's -wisdom- interpretation?
How would a Witness demand answers from anyone.
JWs would already know what the churches teach. Many were once a part of these. The TRUTH set them free.
Witnesses do what God has raised them for (Isaiah 43:10)That is, to WITNESS. Not to go around winning debates or converting anyone.
Just a thought.
@@jimjuri6490 Your own presence and comments in these threads refute your claims. Most of what you have to say is questioning what other people say. I really, really WISH the truth had set JWs free, and pray that someday it will. What they call "the Truth" is not. It's the WT.
Why witness if not to convert? Is the goal simply to put in the required time so you don't get doomed for failing to meet the minimums in the preaching work?
@leavenwindom
This is the truth that sets us free:
Worship God, not Christ:
Psalm 119:74 (BBE): " _Your_ worshippers will see me and be glad."
Psalm 119:79 (CEV): "Let _your_ worshipers come to me."
Psalm 119:63 (ERV): "I am a friend to everyone who worships _you_ ."
Remember God's name:
Psalm 119:55 (ASV): "I have remembered your name, O Jehovah."
Jesus was created:
Psalm 119:73 (CEV): "You created me."
Jesus shunned evildoers:
Psalm 119:115 (ESV): "Depart from me, you evil doers."
At Psalm 119:115, 'depart' in greek is 'ekklino' and means to shun, and was echoed by Jesus:
Matthew 7:23 (Murdock): "Depart from me, ye doers of evil."
Psalm 119 is about Christ and proves (1) he is not to be worshipped, (2) he remembered God's name, (3) he was created and (4) he shunned evildoers.
Who practices all these truths?
John 8:32: "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."
Psalm 119:45 (ERV): "I will live in freedom, because I do my best to know your instructions."
@@davidagnew8792 leavenwindom??? Please -- explain.
Just ---- wow. You think Ps 119:73 is in Jesus' voice? You might find reading some context to be helpful. You're way off base in your use of these quotes. Look at verse 67:
"Before I was afflicted I went astray, But now I keep Your word." Do you honestly think that's about Jesus????? When did he go astray? When did he NOT keep God's word? You need to hit the reset button on your whole argument about this Psalm, because it's 100% rubbish.
You said "This is the truth that sets us free..." That's just it. You don't have "The Truth", you have the WatchTower. And regardless of what they've told you, you're not free. You're under the law. And NOT God's law --- WatchTower Law. But if you like it there, go ahead and stay.
Oh, by the way --- you didn't answer my question. Why do JWs insist on quoting scriptures when they are convinced the ones to whom they are quoting them are incapable of understanding them? Are we supposed to just accept YOUR interpretation? But wait --- it's not YOUR interpretation, is it. Interpretation requires thoughtful consideration, and you've been instructed NOT to think, but to have complete confidence in what the WT says, haven't you? And if the way you just completely misunderstood and misused Psalm 119 is any indication, any confidence you have in their interpretation is misplaced. Go give that Psalm an honest and careful reading without the WT glasses, and see if it actually means what you think it does. I don't see how you could arrive at the conclusions you did if you read it with the goal of understanding it instead of seeking to make it fit the WT narrative.
@@evanwindom3265 : Read the prophecy at Matthew 24:14. It is not to convert the world that JWs are being sent to the houses. No JW can convert anyone.
It is to give a FINAL WITNESS regarding God's Kingdom. Many around the earth will of course, ignore it.
(Matthew 24:39) and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
Those who take JWs' witness seriously also take the invitation extended at Micah 4:2. The call to embrace RESTORED TRUE WORSHIP and be among the survivors of the coming destruction.
Why do these type of videos come up NOW and in such large numbers?
It is to dissuade people from learning the truth and be saved.
Matthew 23:13.....because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.
Amen
Do JW’s have a works based faith?
JW: “No, we don’t”
Non-JW: “When someone is disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned within the congregation, what must one do in order to regain admittance? Can their prayer of forgiveness in the eyes of God be enough? Let’s first define “works”.
Work(s) is that which we perform for some kind of reward.
So, if that individual JW were to repent in his heart for a sin committed, would that be sufficient enough? Or do works come into play for that person to “show” repentance?
JW: “…..”
NonJW: “isn’t it true that the individuals prayer of repentance to God is not enough and that person must show “works” by coming and sitting silently in the Kingdom Hall for months, even years, to satisfy the elders in order to show THEM that the individual is repentant and thus worthy of the “reward” of reinstatement?
JW: “…..”
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Im disfellowshipped.
and a better word for "works" is "actions" as opposed to just saying words in your heart as a prayer and not doing anything about it.
"Actions" show you mean what you say.
For a disfellowshipped person, along with prayer and a letter for appeal to be reinstated to the elders of the local congregation goes the "actions" of simply showing up on time and listening at the congregation "showing" that you want to be reinstated.
You say is prayer enough?
I say alot of people don't even accept the "written words" of the man/King they claim to worship, let alone silent words of prayer.
Your attitude toward the subject of "works" (And of many other commenters, going by the comments under the 'Exercising faith" video and others) are very reminiscent of the Pharisees and what they considered OK or not OK for Jews to do on the Sabbath. They come across pretty much the same way.
@@mattgardiner614
I think you've brought your own bias and tried to say it's mine. But this is not true.
"Actions" is descript, simple and i think easily understood.
How else is "exercising faith" to be described?
Can you exercise without "action"?
@@heydees Hi. I messed up. My comment wasn't directed at you, but it was for
@96t5wagon. Must have clicked "reply" under the wrong person. Sorry.
@@mattgardiner614
Don't worry about it.
Dude, Bart Erman Definitely does not say that the text hasn't been changed. And if you claim so then you haven't listened to him much at all. Dude's almost constantly taking about scribal errors, later added scriptures by scribes, forgeries, and misattribution.
First Bart Erman talks out of both ends of his mouth, depending on which crowd he’s speaking to. Also Dr James White would agree with Erman on many aspects of textual criticism. The difference is source, Erman believes many of the manuscripts, ( mainly Paul’s letters) to be forgeries, Christians don’t. Witnesses are claiming the manuscript message, from what the message we have now is drastically changed, while maintaining its authenticity. Erman believes it hasn’t, but questions the authenticity.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry That last part sounds like a distinction without a difference but whatever. How can something be non-authentic but unchanged. It's initial addition would be the untrustworthy move which is what we care about.
Bart also talks about verses and sections of books added by scribes. How is that not a change from the original?
By the way it's rare but the NWT does have notes on some verses about that verse being added in later manuscipts. Not nearly as frequantly as it actually happened but sometimes its too obvious to ignore.
The issue with the initial additions, there really isn't evidence. Bart and some others, a lot of it is his theory, and there really isn't solid evidence for most of what he's claiming. Yes, you can analyze the grammar, culture etc, but much can be countered. I would check it out. Now if you want to talk about the comma johanneum, the end of Mark, or Jesus and the woman found in sin, there are many Christians scholars that have addressed that as well. But those are based on evidence, we can see due to the manuscript evidence that there might an issue. A growing channel on this is www.youtube.com/@TestifyApologetics,
In regards to the NWT, there are many other translations that do that as well. @@warrengraham5419
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
The Bible shows that Jesus never used the name Jehovah .
Jesus true disciples are witnesses of Jesus Christ
@@ericbulman1752
In John 4:23 Jesus said
"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the TRUE WORSHIPPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him."
A quick review of your Isaiah forty three is spoken by the Son, not the Father, and certainly not "Jehovah" of Watchtower.
Reread the whole chapter, take note of the names and titles used...clearly the Son.
@@heydees does it say Jesus true disciples ?
Some your information is off you are inaccurate on some of the points you are claiming
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all-this is what is to be witnessed to IN ITS OWN DUE TIME. 7 For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle
Jesus is the Mediator between God and men. If men' in this context means all humanity, then verse 6 would be superfluous.
Paul is addressing the FEW who are in the New Covenant. Jesus dying for all humans is a separate issue.
The remnant of those in the New Covenant and the symbolic 10 men from all nations who side with them make up JWs today. Zechariah 8:23.
All of whom together are being led by Jesus in fulfilling Matthew 24:14.
Thanks to such videos, Jesus' true disciples can be identified (Matthew 24:9).
For there is one God and one intermediary between God and humanity, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as a ransom for all, revealing God’s purpose at his appointed time.
(1 Tim. 2:5-6 NET)
What was God's purpose? That the suffering servant, a human who is also divine, became the mediator between God and humanity by dying on behalf of humanity. This was not fully revealed until Christ came and died, then Jesus could take them through the OT and reveal what was spoken of him (Luke 24:25).
If Jesus isn't your mediator, then you are not right with God.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : How does someone acting as a Mediator between two parties be a member of ether? Wouldn't that make him biased? Aren't mediators supposed to be NEUTRALS?
Moses was a mediator between God and Israel. Was Moses not an Israelite?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Both Moses and Jesus were APPOINTED BY GOD. Logically, neither could be God, could they.
Moses was an Israelite mediating between God and the nation of Israel. Jesus was a MAN mediating between God and MEN.
Any point?
You said:
How does someone acting as a Mediator between two parties be a member of ether? Wouldn't that make him biased? Aren't mediators supposed to be NEUTRALS?
Now you are admitting that Moses was an Israelite.
Jesus was both God and man, the perfect mediator, understanding both sides perfectly.
Even a bible study can answer you questions
But not you. Kinda proving my point aren’t you?
Jehovah's Witnesses teach there is no hell but the following proves differently.
Jesus Himself Speaks About Hell And How Not To Go There:
In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus describes a rich man that lived lavishly and a poor beggar man named Lazarus. It came to pass that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man died, was buried, then went to hell. 23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in TORMENT, saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus received evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you can not, neither can they pass to us, and would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray you therefore father, that you would send him to my father’s house. 28 For I have 5 brothers that he may testify unto them, lest also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
LOCATION OF HELL: Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, ”For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:9, ”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE: Jesus said in Luke 16:24,”….Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.”
Jesus said in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Jesus said in Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Jesus said in Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.”
HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT: Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT….” 24 …..for I am TORMENTED in this flame.” Jesus said in Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOR EVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Jesus said in Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Note that it doesn’t say “THE Worm”, it says “THEIR WORM” dies not. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that Brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs.
The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead.
The following is how to not go there and it is a SIMPLE AND EASY thing to do:
All of the book of Acts is what Jesus disciples said what we must to be SAVED - meaning not go to hell, which is repentance, water baptism in Jesus NAME, (Not the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said in Mark 16:16,"He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be damned."
At about that same time He said in Matthew 28:19,"Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not name's) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Jesus disciples never used those words when they baptized anyone in water, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time they invoked Jesus NAME at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16.
Jesus said in John 3:3-7,"Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man BE BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." Being born of water is being baptized in water which is for the REMISSION OF SINS - meaning the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confessing of sins later addressed in 1 John 1:9. Being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. What being baptized with the Holy Ghost means is addressed in Acts 2:3-4, (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5 - which is when the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in a person. Nowhere in Scripture does it say it happens any other way than that way. There is not one Scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
Paul said in Romans 8:9-11,”But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS."
Numbers 23:19, ”God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent, has he said and shall he not do it? And shall he not make it good?”
Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not...”
Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” That means there is no reason to think that Jesus will make an exception and save someone that has not been baptized in water in Jesus NAME, and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise with him that day. Jesus had not given the COMMANDMENT to be baptized in HIS NAME until after he had risen from the dead and before he ascended into heaven. The thief on the cross could not have been baptized because he did not know about it.
if you do what Jesus said above in Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19, and John 3:3-7, you will be making SURE your name is Written In Lamb's Book Of Life.
If you are convinced you need to get baptized in water in Jesus Name do a search and type in "United Pentecostal Church International", scroll down to just below the red box, type in your zip code, a screen will show a Church near you that will do that.
Jesus said John 10:27, ”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
Just think a bit. Jesus himself ended up in hell when he died (Acts 2:27 KJV).
Could it be a place of torment? How can the dead be tormented when the dead do not exist?
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave (hell), where you are going.
Jesus' allegorical story targeted two GROUPS of people in his day. These were alive. The death was a change in condition.
@@jimjuri6490
_" How can the dead be tormented when the dead do not exist?"_
Supply book name and verse please.
@@nonconformist4802 :(Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
WOW SIR ,, YOU REALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
Every scolor knows The Lazarus story is the 6th of 6 parables . In this application a Lazarus is a metaphor. Not actual person. JUST DO THE RESEARCH! why did the list of God's creations not mention hell if this place existed. Ĺ
I can tell you jesus's response to those that decide to ignor what he said and ignor the will of father and worship Jesus as God...
Matt 7:21-23.... We did this in YOUR NAME
We did that in YOUR NAME😮
Get away you workers of LAWlessness.
You know what Jesus said was the greatest LAW of the hebrew LAW?
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That's funny because the disciples worshiped Jesus in Luke 24, and all creatures worship Jesus in Rev 5. When John fell down and attempted to worship an angel in Revelation, the angel told him not to do that because only God was to be worshiped. So why didn't Jesus say the same thing? Because he is God.
JWs admitted that Jesus was to be worshiped up till 1971. Were JWs all idolators up till 1971?
@@kevinfromcanada4379
If Jesus knew from prophecy he was going to be exalted to the right hand of his father... (Dan 7:13,14. Ps 2:7,8. Heb 1:5, 6. Rev 5 them all just the same scenes.)
Why would he STILL literally say "to pray to" and "worship the Father alone"?
I mentioned the hebrew law for a reason.
Law"less" one on a basic level being someone who doesn't keep "the greatest commandment" of the "hebrew law."
If the lawless one's exists by operation of Satan, blinding them & misleading them, do you think it has something to do with his original lie about being "like God"?
You know the "cross" is the most common death & grave symbol.
How "unclean" do you think it is?
Why are JWs incapable of answering questions?! I asked you if JWs were idolators up till 1971 for giving worship to Jesus. Please answer.
Second, where does Jesus say to worship the Father ALONE? And where does Jesus say to pray to the Father ALONE? You might want to check out John 14:14 in your Kingdom Interlinear, since Jesus tells his disciples to pray to him.
Do you keep the Hebrew law? Do you keep the 613 commandments? Yes or no.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 🤣 ask anything in my name is not pray to me.
It goes a little something like this: Heavenly Father Jehovah......I pray this through your precious Son Jesus Christ.
Also, recall the question in Matthew 22 the Jews asked trying to trick Jesus:
Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment
He then proceeds to give the second command.
But you already knew this.
The evidence that we are the true church lies in the fulfillment of prophecy upon us we are the only global brotherhood calling men to the worship of the one true God JEHOVAH and who have been taught to live in peace as described in Isaiah 2:2-4 ASV"And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of JEHOVAH'S house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of JEHOVAH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of JEHOVAH from Jerusalem.
4And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." It is only.JEHOVAH'S Witnesses upon whom this prophecy is being fulfilled and no one else.
Jehovah is not God's name. The following proves what His name really is.
The Following Is Scriptural Proof Who Jesus Really Is And That He Is Much More Than Just The Son Of God.
Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught by Jesus himself which means whatever Paul said was what Jesus told him to say. Paul said in 1 Timothy 3:16,"AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD was manifest in the FLESH (Jesus), justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory."
Paul said in 2 Corinthians 3:17,"Now the LORD IS THAT SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." Jesus is speaking in Revelation 2:7,"He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches...." And Paul said in Ephesians 4:4, "For there is one body, ONE SPIRIT....verse 5 ONE LORD, ONE Faith and ONE BAPTISM."
Paul said in Colossians 2:8-10,"Beware lest any man fool you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 FOR IN HIM DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Jesus is not just part of the Godhead - Jesus IS the Godhead.
Paul said in Hebrews 1:8,"But unto the SON he said, Thy throne O GOD is forever and ever...." Jesus said in Revelation 21:6-7,"And he said unto me (John) it is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I (Jesus) will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of life freely. 7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his GOD, and he shall be my SON."
Paul said in Titus 2:13, "Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearance of the great GOD and our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST."
1 John 5:20,"And we know that the SON of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE."
Isaiah 9:6,"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son (Jesus) is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, ..." Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, which was, and is to come, THE ALMIGHTY." Jesus said in Revelation 2:7, "He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says unto the Churches....."
Jesus said in Mark 16:16, "He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned." Jesus addressed what damned means in Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:45-46, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not names) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they invoked Jesus name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Peter said in Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men whereby we must be SAVED."
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not Baptized yet Jesus told him he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus had not yet given the COMMANDMENT to be Baptized in His Name until after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven. The thief or anyone else could not have been Baptized in His Name because they did not know about it. There is not one scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
If you are convinced you need to get Baptized in water in Jesus name and get Baptized with the Holy Ghost - which is addressed in Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5. Do a search, type in "United Pentecostal Church International", slightly scroll down to just below the red box, and type in your zip code. Then a screen will show a Church nearest you that will do that.
If you do the above you will be making SURE your name is written in the Lamb's Book Of Life.
Jesus said in John 10:27,"My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Amen brother.
I like your viewpoint about Jesus, For nobody can say He is LORD, but by the Holy Spirit.
And you believe anything Paul says because?? Whats his proof of being guided by jesus. Didnt Jesus warn people about people who would change the Law who would be called the least in the kindom of heaven?? This is why Paul is the second most influential person in history, Muhammad PBUH is first and Jesus PBUH is way below Paul
Worship and obeisance is the same Greek word pro·sky·neʹo.
Proskyeo means to bow down. Bow down to a God or bow down to a king.
Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords but not the Almighty God.
So the bowing to Jesus is to a king, not God Almighty.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is Lord (NOT God).
So while Jesus is ruling as king with all authority in heaven (and earth), angels will bow before Jesus to pay homage.
Translators that want to sell their bibles translate pro·sky·neʹo as worship.
Jesus is called Son of God or Lord but he is never called Almighty God anywhere in scripture.
The King James Version has the magi worshiping the baby Jesus. (Matthew 2:1-2) They were looking for the one born King of the Jews. Not God. Other translations use the words homage, bow, honor and adore.
The King James Version goes all out to make it appear Jesus is God and to be worshiped. It is a deception.
(1 Chronicles 29:20-23) David then said to all the congregation: “Now praise Jehovah your God.” And all the congregation praised Jehovah the God of their forefathers and bowed low and prostrated [Greek pro·sky·neʹo Septuagint] themselves to Jehovah and to the king.
All at once bowing to Jehovah in worship and bowing to king David as lord.
Bowing to Jesus as king of kings and lord of lords is not worship.
Corruptions are in later manuscripts and in translations.
Isaac Newton wrote about two corruptions in his work “An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture.”
First John 5:7 and First Timothy 3:16
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
The “I AM” is another trinitarian deception.
John 8:56-58 (AV): “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am (egw eimi).”
Later, in John 9:9, a formerly blind man also uses the expression egw eimi. It was just a normal way of saying "I am (he)," and is no marker of divinity. Otherwise, the formerly blind man would also be claiming Godship.
Compare:
biblehub.com/interlinear/john/8-58.htm
biblehub.com/interlinear/john/9-9.htm
Jesus reply had to do with his age, not his identity.
According to many modern Bible translators Jesus was not claiming to be Jehovah God.
Moffatt: “I have existed before Abraham was born.”
Schonfield and An American Translation: “I existed before Abraham was born.”
Stage (German): “Before Abraham came to be, I was.”
Pfaefflin (German): “Before there was an Abraham, I was already there!
George M. Lamsa, translating from the Syriac Peshitta, says: “Before Abraham was born, I was.”
Dr. James Murdock, also translating from the Syriac Peshitto Version, says: “Before Abraham existed, I was.”
The Brazilian Sacred Bible published by the Catholic Bible Center of São Paulo says: “Before Abraham existed, I was existing.”-2nd edition, of 1960, Bíblia Sagrada, Editora “AVE MARIA” Ltda
Hebrew scholars who translated the Greek into the Bible Hebrew, as follows: Dr. Franz Delitzsch: “Before Abraham was, I have been.” Isaac Salkinson and David Ginsburg: “I have been when there had as yet been no Abraham.”
The Greek Septuagint Version is a translation from Hebrew to Greek before the birth of Christ. Compare John 8:58 in Greek and Exodus 3:14 in the Greek Septuagint, and you will find that the Septuagint reading of Exodus 3:14 does not use the expression Egó eimí for God’s name, when God says to Moses: “I AM hath sent me unto you.” The Greek Septuagint uses the expression ho Ōn, which means “The Being,” or, “The One who is.”
Trinitarians have no basis to argue Jesus is God from John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14. The KJV is a corruption.
See:
sahidicinsight.blogspot.com/2009/09/sahidic-coptic-john-558-and-sahidic.html
How about Hebrews 1:8?
The New World Translation is different from other translations. Which translation is correct?
A former trinitarian that realized the trinity was false and is not a Jehovah's Witness explains it very well in his video:
The Context Reveals the Truth
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A false prophet turns worshipers from the true God to a god they have not known.
Deut. 13:1-4: “In case a prophet or a dreamer of a dream arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a portent, and the sign or the portent does come true of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘LET US WALK AFTER OTHER GODS (Trinity Idol), WHOM YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN, AND LET US SERVE THEM,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or to the dreamer of that dream, because Jehovah your God is testing you to know whether you are loving Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul. After Jehovah your God you should walk, and him you should fear, and his commandments you should keep, and to his voice you should listen, and him you should serve, and to him you should cling.”
The Jews have always rejected the trinity. They have never known a triune god.
How did Christendom come to walk after other Gods?
Would a religious leader that teaches others to serve any God other than the Father, Jehovah, be a false prophet if he includes other gods that he claims is equal to Jehovah?
Trinitarians do say: "The Father is God, the Son is God, the holy spirit is God..." with no scripture that says he is 3 persons in 1 God.
The bible says:
But to us there is but one God, the Father... (1 Corinthians 8:6)
… true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth … (John 4:23)
These trinitarian false prophets have been turning people away from the true God for almost 2,000 years.
In John 8, Jesus said to the Jewish leaders, "Unless you believe that I AM (εγω ειμι) you will die in your sins." This is a statement of IDENTITY. The Jewish leaders missed it the first time, they didn't understand his claim when he used the unpreticated “I AM,” and were expecting him to provide a predicate. This is obvious by their question: _“Who_ are you?”, which is a question of IDENTITY. This discourse goes back and forth. Finally, when Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus day, the Jews incredulously replied, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" They are not actually asking a question about Jesus’ age, it is a rhetorical question used as a rebuke. It’s like saying, “Who do you think you are?” Jesus responds to this question with a statement of identity, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was (γενεσθαι), I AM (εγω ειμι)." Jesus was not simply saying that he existed before Abraham. He didn't say "I was" (ημην), but "I am" (εγω ειμι)-grammatically incorrect, theologically spot on! The unpredicated “I AM” is “intentionally unfinished, primarily because the statement is expected to be grasped by the listener/reader as an allusion to the identity of God (Exod 3). But the unfinished statement could have been finished by the Jews quite easily: ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ This verse parallels the Gospel’s first verse, ‘And the Word was God’ (1:1).”[1]
Jesus was claiming to be Jehovah by appropriating to himself the self designation of God from passages like Deu 32:39 and Isa 43:10 (on this below), which are based on Exo 3:14. While JWs don’t seem to grasp Jesus’ statement, the Jews in the narrative clearly understood what he was saying; which is why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy (which was the “penalty for blasphemy [Lev 24:16]-blasphemy here is regarded as laying claim to the divine ineffable name.”)[2]
Now, if a JW would like to argue that Jesus was simply claiming to preexist Abraham they have to explain the reaction of the Jews. If Jesus was simply claiming to be older than Abraham they would have laughed at Him and dismissed him as a crazy person (Jews didn’t kill people for being crazy). However, the reaction of the Jews demonstrates that they understood he was making a claim to deity.
Why did they understand he was claiming to be Jehovah and picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy?? Because they knew their Bible! In Deu 32:39 in the LXX it says: “ιδετε ιδετε οτι εγω ειμι, και ουχ εστιν θεος πλην εμου” (Look! Behold, that I AM, and there is no God except me) and Isa 43:10 - "You are my witnesses," declares Jehovah, "and my servant whom I have chosen ινα γνωτε και πιστευσητε και συνητε οτι εγω ειμι” (that you might know and might believe and might understand that I AM). The Jews understood the claim Jesus was making. He was claiming to be Jehovah, co-equal in nature to Jehovah the Father.
Furthermore, A similar Greek construction to John 8:58 is found in Ps 89:2 which says,“before the mountains were, you are.” In Greek it says, προ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι (“came to be”)… συ εἶ (“you are” the second-person equivalent of εγω ειμι). “The Greek sentence here reflects the same grammatical structure as John 8:58 and uses the same verbs to make the same contrast between that which is created and temporal and the one who is uncreated and eternal.”[3] John made this contrast in John 1 when he says that creation “came to be” (ἐγένετο), while the word eternally “was” (ἦν). As Murray Harris also says,“the timeless εἰμί points to the absolute, independent, and eternal existence of Jesus; it places Jesus ‘in God’s existence beyond time, in his eternal present’.”[4]
The translators of the NWT understand the implications of this so they errantly translate εγω ειμι as a historical present, “I have been.” The NWT (1950 ed.) has a footnote that says, “It is not the same as ὁ ὤν (ho ohn’, meaning ‘The Begining’ or ‘The I Am’) at Exodus 3:14, LXX.” Dan Wallace points out that “this is a negative admission that if ἐγὼ εἱμί is _not_ a historical present, then Jesus is hear claiming to be the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, the I AM, the eternally existing One, Yahweh (cf. Exod 3:14 in the LXX, ἐγὼ εἱμι ὁ ὤν).”[4] Wallace demonstrates that there are several problems grammatically with seeing εγω ειμι as a historical present: 1) “historical presents are usually wedged in between aorist (or imperfect) _indicatives,_ not infinitives.” 2) This would be the only historical present in the NT that uses εἰμί. 3) This would be the only historical present in the NT that is not in third person. For these reasons, Wallace says “The burden of proof, therefore, lies with the one who sees εἰμί as _ever_ being used as a historical present.”[5] For this reason, the GB are now claiming that it is a “Present of Past Action still in Progress.” (Space precludes me from showing how this is erroneous as well.)
JW’s will also object saying that εγω ειμι is used by people who were not claiming deity (cf. Joh 4:26, 9:9, etc.). This is correct, εγω ειμι “does not necessarily imply deity when it contextually implies, ‘I am (the one in question)’... [but] when ‘I am’ lacks even an implied predicate, however, it becomes unintelligible except as an allusion to God’s name in the Hebrew Bible or LXX….The absolute use of the expression in 8:58, contrasted explicitly with Abraham’s finite longevity, clearly refers to a Jewish name for God.”[6]
Contextually, grammatically, and intertextually, there is no question that Jesus was claiming to be the “I AM” of Deu 32:39 & Isa 43:10, and Exo 3:14. In other words, Jesus claimed to be God.
[1] Edward W Klink, John : Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2016), ePub, 8:58.[2] Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015). [3] Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski, Putting Jesus in His Place (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007). [4] Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015). [5] Daniel B Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics : An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1997), 531. [6] Wallace, GGBB, 530. [7] Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 769-770.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
John 8:53-54
53 You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died, are you? The prophets also died. Who do you claim to be?” 54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God.
Jesus said if he glorified himself his glory is nothing. (Jesus is not God)
Jesus said his Father glorifies him, the same God that the Jews say they worship. The God that Jesus worships glorifies him. Jesus is not the Father. He is not the Almighty God.
Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Angels were in existence before Abraham came into existence and had seen Abraham. Why would the Jews think Jesus was claiming to be Jehovah?
If he glorified himself his glory is nothing. In verse 43 Jesus says: Why do you not understand what I am saying?
The Jews did not understand what Jesus was saying. Why do trinitarians not understand what Jesus is saying?
If Jesus was Jehovah he could glorify himself and his glory would not be for nothing. Trinitarians are calling Jesus a liar. They say the Jews understood Jesus was claiming to be the Almighty God and because it supports their false doctrine.
The Septuagint (translation from Hebrew to Greek) reading of Exodus 3:14 does not use the expression Egó eimí for God’s name. Ego eimi was common everyday language in Koine Greek.
This “I AM” translation is just another trinitarian deception and a corruption of scripture.
John 18:6 - Why did the soldiers fall down when Jesus said "I am"?
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Can you show me one other place the NWT translates εγω ειμι as “I have been”?
God is referred to as the “I AM,” as Bill Mounce points out, “The revelation of the name is related to the statement, ‘I AM WHO I AM’ (v. 14), where Moses is commanded to tell the Israelites that ‘I AM has sent me.’ Then, in verse 15, the divine name ‘Yahweh’ is connected to the God of the patriarchs where it is stated that this name, ‘Yahweh,’ is his ‘eternal name.’ The connection between ‘I AM’ and ‘Yahweh’” is one of verbal person. ‘I AM’ is the first person form of the verb ‘to be’ (hayâ; GK 2118; see be), while ‘Yahweh’ represents the third person form of the same verb, perhaps ‘HE IS’ or ‘HE WILL BE.’”[1]
In Deuteronomy and Isaiah, God uses the simple εγω ειμι as a self-designation.
If you’re going to argue that the obvious, straightforward interpretation is incorrect and that this is an example of irregular grammar, then the burden of proof is on you. You must demonstrate that Jesus is not claiming to be Yahweh in this passage.
Jesus’ statement is not about age but identity, which is what the entire passage is about-read the context! In John 8:12 Jesus claims to be the light of the world. In v. 13 the Jews accuse Jesus of making an identity statement that they think isn’t true. In v. 18 Jesus claims that his Father testifies to his identity. In v. 19 Jesus tells the Jewish leaders that they don’t know who he is (identity). In v. 24 Jesus tells them, ‘if you don’t believe that I AM you will die in your sins.’ Jesus used εγω ειμι without a predicate which is what prompted the question from the Jews in v. 25, “who are you?” (identity). Jesus told them he was the same person he claimed to be from the beginning but doesn’t elaborate. In v. 38 Jesus makes another identity statement-his Father is God, their father is the Devil. The Jewish leaders make their own claims of identity-they are children of Abraham and God (vv. 39-47). Then they make an identity claim about Jesus-he is a Samaritan (v. 48). Jesus refutes that claim, making his own identity claims (vv. 49-52). The Jewish leaders are incredulous at his grandiose claims and ask Jesus if he is greater than Abraham, saying “WHO do you make yourself out to be?” (v. 53) A question of identity. Jesus says, ‘my identity is confirmed by the Father, whom you claim to know (identity) but don’t actually know him.’ (vv. 54-55). Then Jesus says, ‘Abraham rejoiced to see my day because he recognized who I am (identity). When did Abraham see Jesus? Even the Non-Christian Jewish scholar Daniel Boyarin recognizes that Jesus “clearly claims to have appeared to Abraham, presumably in the theophany at Mamre. Abraham, of course, rejoiced, received the Logos (Jesus) handsomely, and was saved.”[2] The Jews then ask, ‘how can you have seen Abraham if you’re not even 50 years old?’ Jesus responds by making an identity statement about who he is, saying ‘because I am Yahweh-the ever present one.’ In making a contrast with Abraham he makes an identity statement, which forms an inclusio to the Jewish leaders questions in vv. 25 & 53, “WHO are you?”
You need to pay attention to the context.
[1] William D. Mounce, “LORD,” in Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2006), 421-422. [2] Daniel Boyarin, Border Lines: The Partition of Judaeo-Christianity (Philadelphia, PA: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2004), 101.
So you can’t answer the questions.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
Jesus’ statement identitfied himself as being there before Abraham was born.
When the Jews said he is not 50 years old how can he say he was there before Abraham was born.
I am or it was me or I am the one.
The context is how can he say he was there before Abraham was born when he is not even 50 years old.
The other context reveals Jesus is not God. If he glorifies himself his glory is nothing.
How do your so-called experts explain that?
In the beginning was the Word. The Word had a beginning.
The Word was with God. The Word with God in the beginning.
And the Word was A god.
The beginning is not the beginning of creation. It is the beginning of the Word. What is making you think it is the beginning of creation is the way it is translated in some versions of the bible. If the Word was the same God he was with then you might think the beginning was the beginning of creation.
The Sahidic Coptic text reflects an understanding of Scripture dating from before the fourth century, which was when the Trinity became official doctrine. The earliest translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures were into Syriac, Latin, and Coptic. Syriac and Latin, like the Greek of those days, do not have an indefinite article. Coptic, however, does. Those ancient translators realized that John’s words recorded at John 1:1 did not mean that Jesus was to be identified as Almighty God. The Word was a god, not Almighty God.
Coptic John 1:1, Assumptions vs. Facts
coptictruch.blogspot.com/
This is what it says in part:
Nor did the Sahidic Coptic translators write "the Word was a god" out of ignorance of Greek grammar and syntax. Koine Greek was still a living language when the Sahidic Coptic translators did their work, and by then Greek had been a part of Egyptian culture for 500 years. If anything, it is likely that those Coptic translators had as good or better an understanding of the living Koine Greek as do scholars today.
So trinitarian translators render John 1:1c as “the Word was God” to bolster their false doctrine.
The true rendering of John 1:1c is “the Word was a God” so “In the beginning was the Word” means the Word had a beginning. After the Word was created we read: All things came into existence THROUGH him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
This is what we see at Colossians 1:15. He is the firstborn of all creation and THROUGH him all other things were created.
The “other” is implied since the Word was created before anything else came into existence.
In John 1:18 Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten god. Trinitarian translators hide this fact by translating it as only-begotten son but if you check the interlinear you will see:
biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-18.htm
How can the Father, Son and holy spirit be one God if that one God is an only-begotten god?
The Father is not an only-begotten god. The holy spirit is not an only-begotten god. There must be more than one god. Jesus must be 'a' god as the true rendering of John 1:1 states.
Where is the trinity formula stated in the bible?
Some trinitarians use to point to 1John 5:7-8 but that is a corruption now admitted by trinitarians.
Some trinitarians point to Matthew 28:19 but it does not say they are three persons in one god. And it does not say they equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. It is only found in a man-made creed.
The Athanasian Creed defines the Trinity. There is no reference to this creed in completed form until hundreds of years later!. Athanasius had been dead for five hundred years when it appeared.
LEAVE JWs ALONE, THEY ARE NOT WORRY ABOUT YOU AND OTHERS ON THE CZcams ; JUST WORRIED ABOUT YOURSELVES❤ THEY NEVER FORCE YOU/PEOPLE ❤
THEY ALWAYS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BASED ON THE BIBLE PRINCIPLES .❤
Are you a JW? If so, then I’m sure you can answer these questions and prove me wrong.
@@jahtruthdefender Thanks for the reply, but that is not what I’m presenting. I trust the Bible, after deep evaluation. I’m pointing out the JW contradiction. The argument from Witnesses, is that there was a conspiracy to remove the name. Firmly believing all manuscripts were corrupted by apostate Christians, while at the same time believing the Bible hasn’t been corrupted. The question can’t be answered, because agreeing with either side, disagrees with the other. So, I’ll ask you, has the Bible been corrupted, yes or no.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : I believe Google can help. It were the Jewish scribes who took God's name out and replaced it with titles.
Even today, many Jews refer to God using a substitute HaShem. Because of some superstition on pronouncing God's name.
JWs were raised by God to restore his name and declare his unique oneness. Please read Isaiah 43:10.
@@jimjuri6490 well you are changing the subject but I will go with you. What exactly in Isaiah 43:10 are you wanting us to see 👀 is it
(a) Before me no god was formed,
nor shall there be any after me
(b) next verse, besides me there is no savior
(c) you are my witnesses
Because NT attributes all 3 to Jesus
1. Witnesses of Jesus (Acts 1:8)
2. Jesus is our Savior (Matthew 1:21)
3. Jesus is our God (John 20:28)
@@timd3895 : Th subject was God's name. Who alone declare God's name in all the earth.
The Witness that God has raised in these last days. Isaiah 43:10.
Jesus asked his disciples to be his witnesses to witness that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Acts 1:8.
Acts 3:15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact WE ARE WITNESSES.
Jesus himself is a JW.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”
John 17:25 Righteous Father, .... these have come to know that YOU SENT ME. 26 I HAVE MADE YOUR NAME KNOWN to them and will make it known,
God is indeed the one who saves. But he uses various individuals to carry it out.
2 Kings 13:5 So Jehovah provided Israel with a savior to free them from Syria’s grip,
Just matching the word savior would make plenty of people and angels into God.
Thomas never meant that Jesus himself was God. On realization that Jesus was an ANGEL from God his saying is understandable.
If Jesus himself was God everyone would have been flat on their faces unable to look God in the face (Exodus 33:20).
Ever heard of people behaving in some casual manner in the presence of God?
1 question, 3 questions, 5 questions, 7 question that JWs cannot answer??? Don't opposers of God ever give up.
Luke 4:13 So the Devil, having finished all the temptation, departed from him until another convenient time.
What better convenient time than now. Shortly God is going to end this system.
Hva?
Thanks for proving the title correct :)
@@LightoverDarkMinistry: What do these videos achieve other than :
Matthew 23:13....because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.
@@jimjuri6490 "13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 [a]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation."
What do they achieve? Opening the hearts and minds of people so they can see the flaws in the JW religion. Jim with all due respect, I hope you realize you're proving my point. This content exposes the false teaching of the religion, by addressing contradictions within their own doctrine. This is how you come to the truth of the matter, investigation. If the doctrines and what the Bible says do not harmonize, something is wrong, and it aint the Bible. This is why we have courts, and testimonies, analysts, investigators, lawyers etc. Are you saying I shouldn't ask these questions? If a Witness comes to my door, should I just accept everything they say without investigation, and avoid tough question? If you think I'm wrong, feel free to respond to these questions. You can leave a comment, or if you want to talk about it, just shoot me an email. Just gonna be honest, your responses are Ad hominem attacks, and it shows you don't believe you can answer these questions, it's upsetting, so your response is to accuse me of being this terrible person wasting me time, instead of defending your faith, very contrary to 1 Peter 3:15. Is this the behavior of Jehovah's Witnesses? I honestly hope you prove me wrong. @@jimjuri6490
u did not study well and not humble 🤗
Great deflection. 👍
Can you answer the questions in the video?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 yeah but ur not the kind to listen 🥺
Wow. Another great deflection. 👍
Do JWs intentionally post on this channel to validate the content, or is that purely accidental?!
@@bontings1085 Did you watch the video?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Dude, I laughed pretty hard at this.
Jesus' words should settle any doubt as to who only should be worshiped.
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
This was in response to Satan asking Jesus to do an act of worship toward him. The 'TO HIM ALONE' is obvious. It excludes Satan and Jesus.
The word worship which is the Greek proskuneō is used regarding many individuals in the Bible.
Mt. 18:26 - So the slave fell down and "proskuneō" him (ie the King)
Ac. 10:25 - And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and "proskuneō" him.
Various translations use words such as homage, bow down, repect etc for the Greek word for WORSHIP.
However, as Jesus pointed out, Worship regarding sacred Service should only be Given Jehovah.
Yeah, I tried explaining Matthew 4:10 (I think mine was one of the parallel accounts) but it went in one proverbial ear and out the other. Remember we are dealing with Trinitarians here. For Kevin and likely most of the others, Father, Son and holy spirit are all Jehovah.
@@mattgardiner614 : Those who say they believe in a Trinity are actual Dualitarians. Their focus is on MAKING Jesus into God.
The Holy spirit takes a back seat in these debates.
Their agenda is more of saving face that welcoming truth.
That is why they will keep on asking the same questions over and over although these have been answered scripturally many times by JWs.
Note this video title. The naïve will actually believe it. Checking is not part of their routine.
How does Jesus' citation exclude Jesus?
So Jesus said that only God is to receive our proskuneo. Peter refused to accept proskuneo from people, the angel in Rev 19:10 refused to accept proskuneo, but Jesus accepted people's proskuneo. Why? Because Jesus is God.
Does Jesus receive sacred service? Yes, he does!
And there will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His slaves will serve Him;
(Rev. 22:3 LSB). Now the antecedent of αὐτῷ can be both the Father and the Son (the Lamb), but it must be at least the Son (the Lamb).
Who do Christians serve? We serve the Lord Jesus, from whom we will receive a reward (Col 3:24). The GB are false teachers "do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By their smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of the naive."
(Rom. 16:18 NET)
But Jim and Matt do not comprehend these things because they are children of the devil and blinded by him. If they were children of God they would believe that Jesus is God, but they will confess themselves that they are not born again (children of God).
@@BasicBiblicalTruth : Many people get worshiped. The Greek is:
1 Sa. 25:40,41 Abigail bowed to "proskuneō" David's servants.
1 Sa. 28:14 Saul "proskuneō" Samuel.
Mt. 18:26 - So the slave fell down and "proskuneō" him (the King)..
Ac. 10:25 - And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and "proskuneō" him.
One word, different meanings depending on the context. Similar to love. Love of a hobby cannot be equated to love for God.
However, as Jesus pointed out, Worship with SACRED SERVICE should ONLY be given Jehovah. Matthew 4:10.
(John 4:24) God is a Spirit, and those worshipping HIM must worship with spirit and truth.”
The third person pronoun HIM obviously excludes the speaker who was Jesus.
If someone has a problem with this, then shouldn't he be asking Jesus as to why he said what he did?
Then what if you see the Son of Man ascending where he was before?
(John 6:62 NET)
Who is the Son of Man? According to you, it can't be Jesus since he speaks in the third person.
In Exo 24:1, Jehovah says, "Go up to Jehovah." Since this is in the third person, according to you, Jehovah must be speaking about someone else who is also called "Jehovah," unless you're going to be a hypocrite and say that it's ok to use illeism.
Second, you Jesus is worshiped AND given sacred service (read my last post).