Inside the ‘horrific’ conditions at Wandsworth prison
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Tonight, we report on another Victorian jail - HMP Wandsworth in south London. It's one of the most overcrowded prisons in England and Wales, and among those the Chief Inspector says should be closed down.
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The decline of Britain is becoming visible everywhere.
Tories are not suffering.
They're causing the suffering.
The suffering and cruelty is by design. It’s what Tories love inflicting on the poor. Guess what, If you not a millionaire, you’re poor, by Tory standards.
labour next and a million africans arriving by the cruise liner load invited by tony blair
@@spudspuddy Blair, aside, that's mere speculation.
Theory without evidence.
@@Dylanesque get back to me next year after you've accepted reality
@@spudspuddy Still speculating then?
At some point those inmates will be released back into society , what state of mind do you want them being released in ?
Maybe a state of mind that makes them NEVER want to go back to prison? Duhhhhh
I want them not to want to go back. That state of mind.
@@fostexfan160I've done 4 years for stuff I was innocent of. Not everyone in jail is bad.
@@Esliherodid u get compensated or chase it up ??
I worked in Pentonville, Strangeways,Whitemoor 1993-2013, my honest advice, dont go to prison. Its really bad.
Prison isn’t meant to be a nice place, but at the same time, the conditions are not fit for an animal let alone a person.
@@lunaxquinn yes they do
@@lunaxquinn this religious nutter is part of the problem as well
Ve a una cárcel de Ecuador, Venezuela o Brasil
This is just one 'barometer reading', showing how far we have sunk as a supposed civilised country. I fear that in a world of problems vying for position, the 'least' and most vulnerable in our society will disappear into a fog of despair and indifference.😞
well said.
Yes the UK is over as a country and the decline is rapidly accelerating. It's not an accident
Work houses , that's were we are heading again
Criminal Scum are not among
" the most vulnerable ' in society
as far as most of us are concerned ? Why not invite a couple of them to live with you ??
Was there a period in recent history when prisons were operated in a better, or more exemplary way, do you think?
My brother is in Wandsworth and he said it is SO CLOSE TO KICKING OFF in there! He told me they delivered him his meals at his door! People are just running riot and they can’t control them so they just keep them locked down!
He said when the opportunity comes he would not be surprised that it kicks right off!
They have had enough of being treated like caged animals!
I believe your brother and god bless him and you 🙏🏾
It happened at strangeways and it could certainly happen again, they never learn do they.
It ain’t just Wandsworth.
I am an advocate for very young woman who are in prison.. It is terrible
What priest is ever penalised by giving their parishiners charity??
What's really disturbing about all of this is that British society is that it's instinctively punitive, from school onwards. It's not enough to be unemployed, but we will make you jump through all sorts of hoops just to get money that we know won't sustain you anyway. If you commit a crime, it's not enough to take your liberty, but we are going to humiliate the prisoner as well by not even showing society's decency. Then there was the Postmasters scandal. The instinctive move wasn't curiosity, but punishment before anything else. I think all this making others feel like nothing is a zero sum game. It's nothing more than a cover story for societal and political failure. What are apparently rational people expecting by sending prisoners out homeless?
So true, it is extremely punitive and it feels a sense of joy and pride in being punitive... it is really very strange.. as the world knows and understands punishment does not work, but our justice system with the judges wearing those ridiculous wigs or whatever... they so relish in that kind of dynamic.. it is weird!!
Opt for criminal lifestyle then you
take the consequences.?? Life is
harsh ...?
@@2msvalkyrie529 You'll see that the commenter starts with punitive actions for being unemployed. What is your response to that?
@@lovealways729 is there a comparable system somewhere where punishment is not used, and the success of which can be measured?
@@jwsuicides8095 My response is that whilst the prisoners have poor food and accommodation, under the DSS sanction punishment system they have neither (resulting in starvation and street homelessness) not for any crime or even laziness but having to jump through hoops, actively designed to make them receive unjust punishment. Of course, prison is being misused for thought-crime "offences" or parents with truanting children, as legal sadists indulge in a punitive orgy.
A good few years ago the Governor of Wandsworth Prison said to a prisoner - "If one of my officers says he saw you riding a motorbike down the wing, I want to know where you got the petrol from!". In other words, he absolutely believes everything his staff told him.
Well what a di:: he is
Tory Britain. Shame!
Blaming any single government for a prison system left using prisons put into service 173 years ago is what is actually shameful. This is a prison which should have been taken out of service even before WW1. It's more than *A HUNDRED YEARS* of successive governments whom have failed to maintain existing prisons and adequately produce new ones in order to decommission existing ones whose lifespan had expired. That's every government you have ever known for your entire life regardless of political persuasion.
same under tony blair who is now planning to bring in 1 million africans
Lie bour Britain too. ALL the same mate..Different tie!
@@wecandothiswarriorstruth. both are bad in my book
Victorian building, Victorian attitudes. Pure punishment with no thought of rehabilitation. Men, not broken shadows or monsters, are what we need to come out the other end. No wonder it needed a Quaker to expose it.
You can judge a society, its people and morality based on how it treats its prisoners and animals.
Also children and elderly
What’s your definition of a criminal, and more importantly what’s your definition of rehabilitation?
Hmm......most of us prefer animals. ?! They generally don't
attack , Rob and rape us. ?
Hope that helps ??
Definition of a " Criminal '. : waste of DNA.
Definition of " rehabilitation " ; waste of taxpayers money..
Hope that helps ??
so you're one of the pe3ople who thinks prisoners should live in 5 star hotels do you? god luck reducing crime with that.
Disgusting. Your punishment is losing your liberty. Not living in filth as an added measure.
yes, it then becomes cruel and unusual.
oh boohoo
@@harpsailorharp6716gg You may be happy with treating "dangerous others" as subhuman scum, but the fact of the matter is that treating prisoners as such is INCREASING the re-offending rate - it's causing more crime to be committed and resulting in more suffering for victims of crime. Do you support that?
Yeah. They won't be in such a hurry to go back. Make it 3 strikes and you're out .? Then they wouldn't have to release them ?
Let's face it : it's not like they're going to make any contribution to
Society...?
There are many that assume that the punishment is the poor treatment of a prisoner whilst in prison ...in fact it's the taking away of liberty .Prisons should habitable spaces designed to not only accommodate prisoners but help them to rehabilitate if at all possible . What happens within a prison is critical to whether an inmate is able to rehabilitate or not .
Put this lady in charge of prisoners welfare and provide her with the funds to make the difference between hardship and a new sense of reforms and the hope of a fresh start
Strange.. I heard it's great in there.. even the officers come round to your rooms to empty your sack for you 😂
Brave lady. In every way here.
" Useful Idiot " probably more accurate. Thankfully no one listens to her .
And u is good wat she said thu place will go off at anytime
Fair play to her i feel sorry for people that end up in prison due to poverty or mental illness. It is not fair on a lot of prisoners that should probably be in a secure mental wellness center
THOSE PLACES ARE TORTURE AND ABUSE TOO
This is unbearable.
unbearable for victims of these crimes too ...
@@harpsailorharp6716ggI would not wish these conditions on anyone regardless of what they did if I was one of their victims. The punishment is losing your liberty and that is a just punishment. Living in squalor is unjust.
I was teaching there an Open University student, the best I' ve ever met,in 1988. It was on the Hospital wing and a Head of Education kept complaining about a possibility of the courses for the
Inmates to be cut short and closed down. So ,I can see NOTHING change after 36 yearst.Are they being treated like animals in a human form? And those inmates had to be put into hospitals in the first place,not into prison. Yes,I am a Psychologist
Look into how much public money the prison service syphons off for certain individuals, that's the real crime. There is no rehabilitation in those places, it's just a training ground for repeat customers.
This is also the prison where Jamie acourt was punched to the floor
frightening worrying unacceptable and needs serious reform
Ann at 4 mins forgets to mention her sons first offence he was in prison for was beating up two OAP’s
Yet “he’s non violent….”
Oh and the offence he’s in Wandsworth for this time included possession of a shotgun. Still non violent though!!!!
They should show this in schools. Would cut crime five years from now.
The food is the worst in this prison compared to other prisons
Part of the point of prison is rehabilitation isnt it?
You would find Scandinavian prisons horrifying.
"Supposedly". 🤔
If you dont want the time . Dont do the crime !
Should measure a society by how it treats its covicts thats what i was taught. Some guys shouldn't be in there there just homeless. Not a crime to be poor
Who taught you that ? Koran and Bible both say : an eye for an eye.?
Maybe you're a Buddhist ?
If so : Karma sucks doesn't it !!
In the next life they can come back
As a cockroach ....??
Its very sad to hear just how bad things have got in prisoners. No rehab, nothing to give prisoners hope or even an education.
These people don't deserve our sympathy.
They have all of that, some of them just don’t want to try and change. They in general are not very smart about choices and consequences. Things are broken because prisoners are breaking them. They break windows, furniture, make fires, block pipes, lie, steal and fight. They are in general sociopaths, not some romantic rebels without a cause.
A society needs to be judged on how it keeps prisoners, this is typical of what happens every time the tories get into power. The question “they are prisoners, what does it matter” is such an important one. All the tories care about is to be seen to be being tough on crime without making sure that it’s the right person being convicted. The damage the tories do when they get into power is just shameful and it’s always the same story, no matter who it is that gets into the cabinet or when. Then when the opposition gets into power they have to over spend to put it right. We just go round and round. When will we learn?
If that chaplin women gave some of her own money to a prisoner she knew who was going out homeless it’s her own business and nobody should stick their noise in
It's called corruption. If she was giving money to prisoners what else has she been giving them?
My brother has been in and out of prison for the last 30 years he is an alcoholic and we are pretty sure he has underlying mental conditions many of these men end up going back
Because once they come out they put them in a bedsit with other criminals alcoholic and drug addicts and they expect these people to change their lives around like-minded people?
That does not happen instead they commit crimes again so they are off the streets with a bed and food and clothes
But what they are saying here about Wandsworth prison is disgusting
In a furnished bedsit rent free ??
What would he prefer ? A suite at
Claridges .....with a well stocked
mini bar.?
@@2msvalkyrie529🤦♀️
I’m sure the torie’s planned tax cut or Labour’s pledge to spend naff all will ensure these charming circumstances will continue well into the future
Music to my ears, living with the ptsd from being a victim of a crime is a life sentence. Saying that I only pity the non-violent criminals
Let's talk about the horrific actions that landed the 'guests' there.
How do you know why they end up there
Sending out the wrong kind of tweet can land you there. Not everyone is a super serious criminal.
Wandsworth is a remand prison. Local courts would send people who are charged and awaiting sentence. Its very rare someone is sent there for no reason and the majority of the prisoners there you wouldn't want living next door to you.
@@beerbug2020 You can be remanded if you're completely innocent. It just means they're holding you until your court date.
Even prisoners have human rights. We're not barbarians for Christ sake. And besides,a lot of the prisoners are pre-trial and haven't even been convicted of a crime yet. And quite a few are severely mentally ill.
This woman should be the Governor of the prison.A true Christian
It's religion that's screwing up this country. We don't need to cling to a man made life raft to navigate through life. The large majority who don't follow an organised religion have a much better moral compass than the hypocrites that profess to follow a book.
No. She believes everything the prisoners tell her and that is not what you want from a governor. There is a reason she is not allowed to work in prisons anymore don't be so quick to believe what the news tells you.
well reported
Shall we also bring up the fact that electricity can go for DAYS at a time? I mean they fire a quaker for helping and call it a security risk. ....but can run a prison with NO ELECTRICITY AND AROUND 40% STAFF??? electricity has been out for TWO DAYS NOW! I'm shocked
This is clearly being hushed up.
More people need to speak up, and get something done about it.
Exactly they are brushing it under the carpet
Make JAIL Jail Again...
They are supposed to be in JAIL not a holiday camp.
Oh bore off, I’m not sure what holiday camps you’ve been to but our prisons are disgusting places. It’s uncivilised keeping people in squalor.
@@mwd331 It is uncivilized to be an uncivilized criminal... rats, oats, bread and pea soup...
They won't do it again...
@DJ-XTRM That's not how recidivism works mate, they already live like animals and they come back time and time again. The Americans have this policy of zero rehabilitation and they have the same issue.
What do you expect from a prison? Holiday park?
Came for the comments section; lots of angry vindictive men here. Read about Dutch prisons. The measure of a society is how it treats its prisoners.
Agreed, like in Scandinavian countries, very low repeat offending .
Not really.
Prison service ban this woman cos fascist Tories don't want us peasants to know the appalling inhumane conditions. Yes uk is a world leader in inflicting cruelty on prisoners!
i think its the world leader in inflicting misery one everyone a country gone wrong the uk
Please stop using words like fascist that you clearly do not understand. You only serve to cheapen the word and make a clown of yourself in the process by doing so.
This good woman has come forward ONLY because she was bamned from volunteering. She would not have come forward at all should she had not been banned. She fully admits that in the interview. She was banned for giving prisoners money without letting prison authorities know she was doing so. This sets up a conflict of interest and prison staff are banning her based on long-standing anti-corruption* rules brought in under labour.
Try actually bothering to understand what's going on before you flap your mouth
@@tjmarx But it does have to be said premature use of the word does have the effect so as to wake the sleeping to in event potentially prevent the embryonic becoming the full blown.
@Coelacanth1 roflmao. No. It doesn't. This isn't remotely fascism. No idea what word I said in my original comment that got it autodeleted by youtube.
Ha ! I've been in a few UK jails ,All old Victorian jails , and in no way whatsoever are they even in the top 50 of 'leaders of prison cruelty' try comparing us to those jails across South America , Africa , Russia, or China and Arabic states where actual torture is part of the program ! We have tv's playstations vapes and a weekly shop where you can order from Amazon and sht ..UK jails are a holiday camp compared to even American jails...And 90% of criminals will tell you they have no fear of going back
Many of the prisoners are from very abusive backgrounds..SHAME on the f in wan!"£$ who are mocking them. I grew up in care(never went to prison, but grew up with VERY vulnerable girls who went onto prison) Walk the shoes before your entitled a'' spews shi@@
Wait until I finish dabbing my eyes...😢😢😢
Thank you I spent 15 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit, been out almost 11 years now and I have cptsd.
Let's make it a five star hotel so they don't mind going back if they revert to type when they're released.
Unfortunately Hotels are full of illegals at moment. . !
This prison is a disgrace since my last post, I still cannot book a visit, keep being told my son has used all his visits, we have been able to book 1 visit in two months, the government and more so the prison and the staff are totally a disgrace and inept in every single way, people may have done wrong but they are human and have rights that are blatantly being denied by this disgraceful treatment of prisoners,
Just don't get involved with crime.
This woman should not be commended she should be condemned. She sent money in to prisoners without authorisation, she knew that this was an offence. I was an officer in a maximum security prison for 16 years. These stupid, naive, gullible people leave themselves open to blackmail and manipulation and conditioning. These people whom we are supposed to be able to trust end up being responsible for people like me having a knife plunged into us or our families being targeted. She shouldn't be banned from prison for 5 years, she should be serving 5 years.
Wtf you on about.....5 years your tapped.
No one made any promises to criminals that prison would be a good place to stay.
If u don't like the conditions in prison, then choose not to break the law!?
Just a idea i had!!!
Same in pentonville
Good to hear !!
@@2msvalkyrie529 well no - because remember that most of these people will be coming out at some point
Do you have a lot of friends at Pentonville?
@@TBOTSS no - I have been racially discriminated against by British women
get the Tories out
What disgusts me the most is when they are unwell they arent seen to for months even if it's chest pains no doctor ... its extremely bad beyond imagination
You have to remember prisons have petty criminals aswell
Wandsworth prison is the flagship.
What they get away with in Wandsworth.
Is what other prisons can implement elsewhere.
Exactly
She is very lucky she wasn't locked up for breaching Prison Protocol. I'm sure she knew what she was doing was wrong.
No this prison is worse then most other prisons way more worse. Bare in mind this prison also had very minor criminals aswell and young boys and men it's just wrong.
Don't do the crime if you cannot do the time. Simple.
In the Netherlands they won’t have the same numbers of drug convictions as we have, that’s got to be a high percentage
most should be free for starters
My son is in there ,hes been in many prisons,this is the worst by miles
Your son has been in 'many' prisons over the years and is now serving time in Wandsworth..? That's the most tragically ironic thing I've ever heard..Your little pride and joy obviously hasn't learnt any lessons..You must be so proud..
Absolutely 💯
“That’s what you get from 14 years of the Tories” says the Labour MP for Wandsworth. No mention at all of course of the dire state of public finances left by the outgoing Brown administration. “There’s no money left. Good luck!”
There was a book written called 'Just a stretch' in recent years and it was mostly about this prison. It was very scathing.
I was a prisoner in wandsworth for 35 days, that place is absolutely shocking, nothing is right in there. so many problems to talk about
-poor staff
-23 hours in your cell
-bogus staff, rude unprofessional (not most of them)
- inhumane conditions
-underfed and not joking when i say underfed
- no activities
-their own system dont work in wandsworth, such as the kiosk, timing etc.....
- i really hated my life in there more than libyan jail
They accused her of ‘breech of professional standards…’. What a joke!
Britain is like Dark Souls 3 ending when everything is in decline/ collapsing. 😅
This prison is a disgrace, my son has been there since May 24 we have had 1 visit and not been able to book another one a they keep saying he has used his visits which he has not, lies ,would anyone know what course I can take because everywhere I turn I can't get help ,the place is being run by inept governor's and staff at every level, please help
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Thank you! I thought the Basil Fawlty analogy was soo priceless..If only these idiotic bleeding hearts realised how pathetically ironic they are..Although we really musn't upset the 'poor' convicted repeat offender, with a mile long criminal record, who has to wipe his bottom with his hand, in an awful room with no view..I'm sure these fools wouldn't even know the victim's names or brutal crimes some of their prisoner friends have actually committed..
Rats running
It's like a real Victorian prison.
Horrible.
I was in bedford september, thats just as bad...cockroach infested...not out cells sometimes at all during the day...
I was there august till November got one kit change whole time it's disgusting
"They are just criminals" people who think like this are monsters. Not everyone is Jeffrey Dahmer in prisons, some people might be there for minor crimes. Also prison should re educate, not push people into insanity.
Shocking 😢😢😢😢😢
I pray for them ..
The screws are sadistic they do it for there own personal pleasure
What we're seeing here are the first signs of societal collapse. This could be a description on England in the 1700s. If you want to know what climate breakdown looks like, this is one of hundreds of examples of failed infrastructure, in failed societies, in failed states.
Personally I prefer the new Nicaraguan type prisons . 6 prisoners to a cell . And rigid military discipline. Seems to be working well ?
Bringing climate propaganda into it 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Time to stop sending our money to Ukraine and other places
I know this women is talking the truth. I went to see my son in brinsford prison the other day. To be privy to go into my sons actual cell to see conditions that has haunted me ever since.
My son is forced to stay in something that I only can compare to an enviromental health issue. Now wonder inmates are trying killing them selves.
Why are these establishments allowed to run as they see fit, when it is clear that intervention is needed in regards to the care of the inmates these inhabitabal conditions are only further assaulting an individual mental wellbeing to the point of self harm. This is genocide on those whom are deem as less important in society as I witness these conditions at brinsford prison on Saturday 26/2/24
Shut it down now !!!!!
Gee, it's almost enough to make one decide not to commit crimes.
Worst jail I ever went to...
Don’t want to live in these conditions? Don’t commit crime!
I don't like prisons with horrific conditions.
AHHH , The poor criminals ,
Yet they wanted to build a prison in jamaica😢
she is an angel working in a broke system by the looks of this
This is a shocking report and I’m appalled. I’m also really shocked though that nobody involved in this report seems to see a problem with the crossing of professional boundaries here. Surely if she is a Quaker, she has other Quaker friends who are involved in supporting people outside of the prison service that she could have directed them to.
You would make a great prison governor.....rules rule......not humanity.
@@willlawrence8756 professional boundaries are the bare minimum of rules in support work. I have been a support worker for a very long time and I actually don’t think the prison system works, but crossing professional boundaries often leads to people having their lives ruined. This is not to do with rules for the sake of rules, this is to do with keeping both support workers and vulnerable people safe. They’re there to stop people being taken advantage of and as a recognition of the power imbalances. She hugely misjudged this situation. It’s unacceptable and I agree with the decision to stop her from volunteering in prisons.
Typical quaker. Excellent people.
I was educated by them.
This is happening in a "posh" country where there are still Kings and princesses...
And British people call low income countries third world countries??!
Every country has a sensitive spot of shame.
"third world countries" are non Nato members. Not poor.
I think with anyplace like be jail, or even a hospital, it should be a requirement the all new, (and maybe older staff) sound some time in the places and just a inmate, see what really goes on, and they can report the finding, after the experience that all staff, and that all more so the ines in the nice suites, with offices, if only I may in that sell with blocked toilet and not running hot water, next week?
Seems alright in Wandsworth tbf😂😂👀
The governor can't even read or write. When it was 40 degrees outside in cells in Trinity it was 70 degrees in one cell. The governor sent an illiterate letter telling prisoners to soak their bedsheets in water and sleep in wet sheets to not die in their cells. This was when a young man tried to hang himself in the prison. He was pushed my about 20 staff into the observation cell in K wing 2s landing, and when K wing prisoners asked what happened, a member of staff imitated someone hanging themselves then soiling themselves in an extremely mocking way, and laughed. This is is after a CHILD hung themselves in this prison and died, who was in prison for steeling sweets. The prisoner was in constant observation and before he went in he told the staff that he planned to set fire to himself. Within 30 minutes he did and we watched him melt as the observation cell does not have a mist hole to put out fires. Chunks of his flesh melted from his body and the WHOLE prison saw. Staff not only failed ACCT procedures, failed to search him properly, but were part of this STATE SANCTIONED MURDER. Disgusting prison but what can you expect from this backwards country. The Prison and Probation Ombudsman is refusing to speak to any of us witnesses about what happened, and nor is the local coroner's office who won't even confirm if he died.
If you can’t do the time, then don’t do the crime !!😢
I'm glad that this is being exposed. We can't help prisoners to rise with dignity for themselves and others unless we treat them with dignity.
However, I would like to point out how disabled people like myself have been treated even worse than this in the UK. I was left in the same sheets for 8 months, without regular water so that I was hallucinating. I finally got my own hospital room (I was that ill) and couldn't digest food properly because I"d been eating so irregularly. Food would just go straight through me.
I hope someone at Channel 4 sees this because we need to expose abuses everywhere.
x
It's a prison, don't commit a crime and you won't end up in prison!!
Did you feel horrified for the victims when they got raped or murdered? Or drug dealers who have ruined family's life when there children or loved ones have overdosed Oh behave! Acceptable living conditions in my opinion, if you've checked in at the hotel you've checked in. START holding people accountable for there behaviour. What do you want to do next? roll out the red carpet and offer them 5* treatment. So it should be the absolute worse place imaginable!! I am horrified that there are people out there that are so PRO Prisoner, how about the victims of these crimes, lives that can't be brought back, families who seek out justice. Appalled that there's people in this country that they think they deserve anything more than this. Prison is a walk in the park, they should get nothing it is a punishment. Lets make these living conditions good for them so it encourages them to not have a deterrent and continue to commit crime. So it should be the worse place, rats, mould. THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT POSITION. Jesus women working in a prison is not for you, give them there entitlements nothing more the end.
Yeah I understand.. thing is they aren't getting their entitlements and the only ones having a good time in there are the worst of them who are narcissistic enough to thrive..
You care more about the rights of criminals than the rights of the victims and their families.
And maybe, just don't commit a crime and then you won't have to worry about prison, love.
Well, "love", crimes cover an entire spectrum. Some of those may be hardened, some may be first offenders with the opportunity to reform.
Exactly, mental health services are in disarray and so those victimised can't even get the help and support they need. I'm not fussed about criminals having a hard time
@@stephanie6851 Unfortunately, people with serious mental health problems are imprisoned instead of being treated.
@@jwsuicides8095 That is a good and valid point. There are layers to this
It’s not supposed to be a holiday camp!!
The systems are all going to collapse soon
The Dr wouldnt touch the topic re: completely changing the system.
It's pretty clear - UK governments dont want to spend the money on radical prison reform as they think its expensive and prone to exploitation by recidivist criminals. But the evidence is there from scandanavia's approach...prisoners who get treated like adults and receive meaningful support are more likely to change for the better. Have Labour got the courage to improve things when they get into government?