@@sammy8749exactly. I had a school counselor. He openly told me. If it’s anything major and concerning for the safety of others. If major. He does have to report it to others.
@sammy8749 the sad part is people act like that anyways, the amount of people on social media yapping about how teachers "snitched" on them is actually killing my brain cells
Whole class is about civil rights, so she's living her lessons. It's also dumb the students were so naive since the whole thing is about knowing your rights to protect and abuse them.
The entire comment section is acting as if everybody who is obligated to do something does something like that. If you are a teacher that snitches on his students when they ask for guidance then you're not getting too the point of even talking too their students about that.
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 to be fair most crimes are like 'I stole a candy bar once'. Nobody would report this but if someone there said 'I ran over someone and drove away' there would be multiple ppl reporting this.
@hatinmyselfiscool2879 it's not snitching on her class. You realize that teachers are MANDATED reporters, right? Which means they could and can go to jail for failure to report any such incident. Would you be willing to go to jail for someone else, so you can keep their secret? Hell no you wouldn't.
This bit of the show where he was in this class was literally one of my favorite parts of the series. It really analyzes the ethics behind policing and I loved it. The professor isn’t picking sides also. Her assignment after this is to have them write an essay as to why. I love her take on all this.
Bothers me that people can blatantly accuse and lie abt another person, and be mad abt that person for no reasonable reason. And we can just allow it because they're "paranoid" or sum stupid
@@j_j_j_j_j154brother man, they’re taking an ethics class. No one in the video is saying he has a legal obligation to let them know he’s a cop, but they do believe they are entitled to that information on an ethical basis, because there are things they might not be comfortable telling a police officer (even if it’s a non-criminal action). The show is copaganda brother, it’s the best copaganda on air right now, but it’s still copaganda
@@matthiasneidenberger9471yeah, the reasoning is so stupid. If he was undercover, he is ethically obligated NOT to reveal he is a cop. If he is not there as a cop, but as a normal student (which he was), he has no ethical obligation to reveal any personal details about himself, including his job, as it is not pertinent to the class. As for the admitting a crime part you could argue that anyone, regardless if they are cops or not ethically should report the crime, so it wouldn't make any difference
So, let me get this straight.. Hes supposedly ethically bound to identify to civilian students hes a cop so they know not to incriminate themselves.. yet, if he asked for their backgrounds, identity and reason for being there, they would scream discrimination and bloody m
?, not discrimination but certainly unfair. because there is a very clear power dynamic here. Are you this incompetent. If someone has the ability too detain someone or the ability too exert power over others in a way that could impact your life for the rest of your life then yes. If cops don't want too identify themselves being cops then they shouldn't have become cops. You don't get too handle people around and exert power on the public just so you can stay hidden, a non transparent executive power is literally one of the core pillars of a police state.
Why? It's none of their business, they weren't self-revealing what their jobs were if they have jobs, they weren't identifying specific pieces of their life to the entire classroom. It's just his job and it's not what he's there for.
Yes but if I remember right the class directly relates to policing so it would be both relevant to the class and it makes her “confessing to a crime” claim slightly more reasonable.
This is always such a dumb reply to any comment critiquing a characters actions. It does not matter whatsoever that its a tv show, the comments are discussing a scenario. Just because it is in a tv show does not take any merit away from a discussion about its morality @@nicwelch
Kids these days forget that teachers are mandated reporters, meaning if you admit something that breaks law or school policy they are legally required to report you.
“Why’d you turn me in?” “Because I owe the people who were affected by your crime more than I owe you who committed the crime.” “But this means I face the consequences of my actions, not them.”
There's a difference between prejudice and being cautious. If someone told you they were a serial killer would you continue to be friendly and still spend time with them or would you care about your safety?
@@pacodave4885 are you calling cops as an institution serial killers? Because the complaints about cops are about cops that are corrupt, you would have to be able to claim and prove that as a monolith cops are corrupted There's also the fact that you're worried about a serial killer because the serial killer will be on towards to you. However they're complaining about a cop doing their job.
I cringe at that remark. Cops didn't exist in the US until 1838, and they were pretty unorganized about it. Even then that was only Boston. Plain clothes officers wouldn't be a thing for decades, let alone people on infiltration missions.
Stares at them in 900+ years of Irish discrimination "Rookie numbers, laddie. Take a seat in the corner, sip a pint and pull that stick of gobshite notions of out of yer arse."
There is… the only truly “safe” space, is when you are on your own, there is truly 100% “safety” around other people and even when your on your own there’s still somewhat risk.
@Andy-su5wg they are ethical and legally obligated to maintain client confidentiality unless the client explicitly wishes to do (future or present) harm to themselves or another, or the therapist is subpoenaed (which is extraordinarily difficult to do). If they breach said confidentiality without subpoena or clear danger to themselves/others, then not only can they (and are) be sued, but the therapist goes on probation with the likelihood of losing their license, and in rare circumstances face criminal charges. Please note, I am using US Federal Law and the APA, which can muddy the waters between a State's and the Fed, which gets into jurisdictions and etc.
I had a prof that said she didn't think safe spaces existed. You never know what the people around you consider safe... but she liked to say her classes were safer spaces.
@@nathanmutai1861 the sad thing is there are many people in the world that think and act like this and I think that's what the comment was pointing out, and it didn't really sound like they had their feelings hurt at all but it kinda sounds like you do lol
@johnhostetler2167 I agree with the initial half of your statement, it is totally valid some people, do the most. However, the later half relies on a lot of assumptions, on both OP & me. (I'm just saying it's just a show. It's not that deep😂, maybe you think it is, and that's valid) All this to say. Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Only saw her in clips but wasn't she corrupt in that? Like I didn't see her taking bribes but didn't she plant evidence on someone? Also she was in castle with him. Forget exactly what she did there but think she was a private eye.
@@tonyblake7569 not really corrupt. More.. power hungry and self obsorbed. But yeah, She (as Shameless cop character)threatned to chop off a kids hand for stealing things.
Teaching a cop in this universe while being a cop in another.. now all we need is the rookie to be her teacher in Shameless and we got ourselves a full circle😂
The teacher should have returned the question onto the student.. "Should you be required to tell everyone your history?" My bet.. They'd say, "Hell No!!"
Yeah, they say he’s morally obligated to tell them he’s a cop and yet the girl asks “what if one of us admits to a crime” as if they’re not morally obligated to tell people they’re a criminal or to make amends for they’re actions.
"This is supposed to be a safe space." That includes for him. With the way cops are treated today, the second he is revealed as a cop the chances of him being jumped or killed between the classroom and his car are drastically upped. Pluse no one else is revealing there jobs why does he have to.
Complete lack of self-awareness. For kids who would have lived in the height of the age of Anti-Bullying, they sure were mean. None of the other students felt the need to identify themselves or their backgrounds.
@@johnnycovenant2286 Hell, that was still the norm in the 1980s. Nothing new there. Drop the bully, and you are the villain in the school's eyes, even if you had previously gone to the teachers for help and nothing got done.
The College I went to , some of the profs were/ was police officers. We had classmates who were police officers they were very chill , told us stories ( appropriate or to the point they can )
Its a television show. They could be teaching Intergalatic Alien Relations And Economic Impact On Terrestrial Nations for all we know. Its not real, its a made up world with made up people. It raises an interesting plot point so they included it.
Yeah, i think the teacher should have point out that if they admitted to a crime during discussions then she would be obligated to reported as a mandated reporter.
Here’s your daily reminder that generally ALL educators are mandatory reporters, even college professors. So if she had admitted to a crime, that professor is legally required to tell the police herself.
😂 so you admit that you're actually out there committing crimes and are just mad that you have the possibility of getting caught and you can't handle the thought of accountability
Teachers are not allowed to disclose anything about their students unless if they have news that the students are doing something illegal or pose a threat to the school or university but even so the people who gets to know are the police and the people in charge of the school like the principal
@@ConnorNotyerbidness that's not what the Hippocratic oath is about. And yes, they're plenty of teachers that are held to the standard of HIPPA not that that really works, but they're supposed to abide by it.
There’s a law called FERPA that protects student’s privacy-and the school could get in massive trouble if the professor admitted that one student is a cop. Another thing is when you work for a college and interact with students, you are a mandated reporter that if someone admits to being harmed, or wants to harm themselves-that is reported for the person’s safety. Thirdly admitting to a crime in a public space is foolish because it is truly not as “safe” of a space as you would think.
FERPA protection is only about their educational records. The transcript comment by the teacher was actually a violation of FERPA unless he gave permission for that. Talking about another student’s profession outside of school is not relevant to FERPA.
A students profession isn’t anyone else’s concern and has nothing to do with the class. Her speaking to her own students about it however… violated his rights to privacy at his own school
For those students who say he should identify himself. Don't get pissed off when a cop asks you to do the same damn thing when they pull you over. You know how this world is you can't have your cake and eat it too
@phoenixofthestix they are only public servants when on duty. Any other time, he's a private citizen (they may not all act like it, but they really are just like us, clock in, then clock out). You as a private citizen can have someone arrested just like he can. These kids are so entitled just like most nowadays!!
@@ej_22 Yeah, one is required by law, the other isn't. You can't force a cop to reveal that he's a cop. But they can force you to identify yourself. Not the same thing indeed.
@@phoenixofthestix If their job follows them in their private life, then it's the same for everyone. Make sure to keep that phone turned on and be available 24/7 for your boss.
Bro rly thinks anyone cares enough to spy on any normal person in the U.S… you are not that guy pal, and if you were, you wouldn’t say anything about it
And even if you were watched you think you could identify the person watching yours name? I mean the guy from the government watching me is named Matt but you don't normally know that infomation 😂
Acknowledging that this is a scene from a TV show, let's address the teacher's question. No, John does NOT have any obligation to identify his occupation in this situation. If people are required to announce their "situation" or employment to people in various social groups, we would ALL have to carry signs or resumé style documents that provide a breakdown of our life experiences. Well, it would be easier to know who we may choose to avoid. It would be great to know who the criminals are, child predators, con artists, misogynists, people who have anger issues. Yeah, okay. Let's all announce to new people EVERYTHING that is nobody else's business. At least then NOBODY will ever be able to change and better themselves. Let's judge everyone without getting to know anything else about them. Good talk.
No one is obligated to share every detail of their life The teacher is right you would have to be an idiot to confess to a crime in public no matter where you are
They did the same storyline in the TV series Adam 12 back in the 60s. Although the groups weren’t BLM or whatever. They were at that time radical groups considered. And Pete Malloy took some classes and they accused him of the same thing. This episode pretty much is a carbon copy of that one. Although in that one, they actually destroyed his brand new car. I will say now as I said when I saw that episode. He doesn’t have to tell anybody what he does for a living. Not other business. This guy just like officer Malloy and Adam was just there for education. I like the lady says here if you’re stupid enough to admit a classroom then you get to pay the consequences. F. and Find .
Dragnet ( detective Friday ) also had a similar one where the professor was the one with the problem and they voted him out of the class until another student ( a lawyer ) stood up for him and said it violated his civil rights. Great episode!
The problem is, when the left goes absolutely nuts, they do stupid stuff like cancel a women’s march because not enough women of color signed up, instead of just holding the march and working harder to recruit women of color next year. But when the right goes absolutely nuts, it leads to little kids in cages, The Holocaust, removal of reproductive rights and body autonomy from women, destruction of unions trying to get employees fair wages and safe working conditions, killing of gay and trans persons, and their ultimately wet dream, the return of slavery. And don’t scoff and say that can’t happen. Imagine what Germans would have said in 1924 if you could have told them what their country would be like in 1944.
If I were the Professor I would've said, "If it was a serious crime? I'd be legally obligated to tell the police. There is no "safe space" when openly admitting to a crime."
@tabuburn they technically still need to present that warrant to you. Anyone can say, "We have a warrant, open up." "Okay then, show me." If they fail to produce one, they are legally unable to enter your home and can be sued for rights violations.
I live in Montreal Canada the only place where u are told to leave your car keys outside for thieves also a place where if someone breaks in the most u can do is sit on them anything els and u going to jail with them don’t get me started on (language police) look it up Quebec is a place where if u speak English at work they can fire u with no warnings cuz they trynna protect the French language
I don't know if anyone else understands the significance of this storyline. But in the televised series Dragnet from it's 60s run. The lead detective Joe Friday goes through something similar to this as he takes night classes. Seems The Rookie is paying homage to the classics.
True, but in Dragnet a student flashed a bag of pot and Friday busted him on the spot. And the instructor, unlike the rookie's instructor, tried to bounce Friday from the class. He didn't succeed.
If its a safe space, that hes not only allowed but entitled to feel safe in it as well. Which means not revealing his identity it it so impacts his safety
"Well officer, I was simply on my daily commute from my... job... at the border patrol office and my car broke down and I lost all my clothes, so that's why I'm running." "Do you at least have any ID?" "No hables engles."
Asking someone to identify themself by their career, when that career is A) something they chose, and B) something with a history of institutionalized oppression and violence is far, *far* removed from asking someone to identify themselves by their race or nationality. I don’t agree that he was ethically obligated to confess to being a cop, but you are making a false comparison.
I get this is just a TV show but if college students are truly this triggered then they shouldn’t expect any employer to take a risk by hiring them. Toughen up buttercup.
@@godkingtroycalypso877 - Far more than _you_ think. But, since it aligns with some people's preconceived notions, they'll take it as documentary footage. 🙄
@@godkingtroycalypso877 - Dude, this is a riff on an episode from a 1960s cop show. And there's _nobody_ who acts as stupid as people in a "message" episode from the 1960s. If this looks like reality to you, then you've lost touch with reality.
Teachers are still mandated reporters. If you admit to a crime in a public space, there will be people there who are obligated to report the crime, regardless if they want to or not. If you commit a crime, you should either be brave enough to face the charges or smart enough to keep your yap shut.
It does depend on the crime. For the most part teachers are only mandatory reporters of child abuse or neglect. If you admitted to breaking and entering a house the teacher would be under no obligation to report anything.
She really said “what if one of us admits to a crime” like mf even if he wasnt there you could still get arrested like tf
Student: What if I accidentally admit to murdering a family of four
Teacher: You what?
that girl was acting like teachers aren’t mandated reporters, the professor would’ve reporter her anyways
Professors and other educators are mandatory reporters
@@sammy8749exactly. I had a school counselor. He openly told me. If it’s anything major and concerning for the safety of others. If major. He does have to report it to others.
@sammy8749 the sad part is people act like that anyways, the amount of people on social media yapping about how teachers "snitched" on them is actually killing my brain cells
Glad at least the teacher has some sense
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Whole class is about civil rights, so she's living her lessons. It's also dumb the students were so naive since the whole thing is about knowing your rights to protect and abuse them.
Yea she gets worse trust me, there's a reason her character disappeared after a season
Bro if you confess to a crime in a school and a teacher hears they are more legally obliged to report it than a off duty cop is
Exactly. Teachers are mandated reporters.
The entire comment section is acting as if everybody who is obligated to do something does something like that. If you are a teacher that snitches on his students when they ask for guidance then you're not getting too the point of even talking too their students about that.
If you are a criminal the right thing to do it's to report the crime@@hatinmyselfiscool2879
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 to be fair most crimes are like 'I stole a candy bar once'. Nobody would report this but if someone there said 'I ran over someone and drove away' there would be multiple ppl reporting this.
@hatinmyselfiscool2879 it's not snitching on her class. You realize that teachers are MANDATED reporters, right? Which means they could and can go to jail for failure to report any such incident. Would you be willing to go to jail for someone else, so you can keep their secret? Hell no you wouldn't.
This bit of the show where he was in this class was literally one of my favorite parts of the series. It really analyzes the ethics behind policing and I loved it. The professor isn’t picking sides also. Her assignment after this is to have them write an essay as to why. I love her take on all this.
But the students were wrong no matter the argument
Bothers me that people can blatantly accuse and lie abt another person, and be mad abt that person for no reasonable reason. And we can just allow it because they're "paranoid" or sum stupid
ACAB
@@j_j_j_j_j154brother man, they’re taking an ethics class.
No one in the video is saying he has a legal obligation to let them know he’s a cop, but they do believe they are entitled to that information on an ethical basis, because there are things they might not be comfortable telling a police officer (even if it’s a non-criminal action).
The show is copaganda brother, it’s the best copaganda on air right now, but it’s still copaganda
"What if I admitted to a crime?"
"Don't worry, I'll snitch for him"
Lol right! Like they don't know teachers are mandated reports XD
@@Sin_LordOf abuse
“He’s ethically obligated to tell us he’s a cop but we’re not ethically obligated to admit that we committed a crime.”
@@matthiasneidenberger9471yeah, the reasoning is so stupid. If he was undercover, he is ethically obligated NOT to reveal he is a cop. If he is not there as a cop, but as a normal student (which he was), he has no ethical obligation to reveal any personal details about himself, including his job, as it is not pertinent to the class.
As for the admitting a crime part you could argue that anyone, regardless if they are cops or not ethically should report the crime, so it wouldn't make any difference
Teachers are to report any crimes a student admits to or confesses to committing in their presence.
"Spying on people like us for 200 years" bro, you're whiter than me
Could be gay
@mariscostumes3815 I mean he's hot so I hope so 😂😂😂
Uh.... Do they ever study the history and age of our country . And it took a long time for what we know as law enforcement.
People just gotta find something to be hurt about... gotta grow tf up
Yeah I'm confused. Do kids think cops spied on little white boys for two centuries?
So, let me get this straight.. Hes supposedly ethically bound to identify to civilian students hes a cop so they know not to incriminate themselves.. yet, if he asked for their backgrounds, identity and reason for being there, they would scream discrimination and bloody m
?, not discrimination but certainly unfair. because there is a very clear power dynamic here. Are you this incompetent. If someone has the ability too detain someone or the ability too exert power over others in a way that could impact your life for the rest of your life then yes.
If cops don't want too identify themselves being cops then they shouldn't have become cops. You don't get too handle people around and exert power on the public just so you can stay hidden, a non transparent executive power is literally one of the core pillars of a police state.
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 Jeez, it's some kind of etiquette no officer has to identify himself unless he's in uniform and on duty.
Yes. He's an officer of the law, a public servant.
@@TheOnegUy80unfortunately that is not one of his duties as a public servant. Read more
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"then you'd be stupid" is the hardest response professor could give
“This is supposed to be a safe space, so why does he think this is a safe space???” 💀
Why? It's none of their business, they weren't self-revealing what their jobs were if they have jobs, they weren't identifying specific pieces of their life to the entire classroom. It's just his job and it's not what he's there for.
@@markzangs4644 fr bro
Yes but if I remember right the class directly relates to policing so it would be both relevant to the class and it makes her “confessing to a crime” claim slightly more reasonable.
@@williamnabors5185You know this is purely fictional right?
@@nicwelchhe most likely is aware, but he has a point. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean he's wrong.
This is always such a dumb reply to any comment critiquing a characters actions. It does not matter whatsoever that its a tv show, the comments are discussing a scenario. Just because it is in a tv show does not take any merit away from a discussion about its morality @@nicwelch
Kids these days forget that teachers are mandated reporters, meaning if you admit something that breaks law or school policy they are legally required to report you.
"What if I admit to a crime?"
Bro the teacher would report you either way.
"What if one us admitted to a crime?"... laughed my ass off on that quote.
Considering that teachers are mandatory reporters for some crimes, they would still be in legal hot water.
“Why’d you turn me in?”
“Because I owe the people who were affected by your crime more than I owe you who committed the crime.”
“But this means I face the consequences of my actions, not them.”
seriously dude if someone committed a crime cops would have known about it
Because having criminals in your space is safe
Same I’m like why tf you snitching on yourself
You got to love when the people that complain about prejudice are the ones acting with the most prejudice
True to life as well in my experience. The people who complain about prejudice the most have been some of the most racist people I've ever met.
There's a difference between prejudice and being cautious. If someone told you they were a serial killer would you continue to be friendly and still spend time with them or would you care about your safety?
@@pacodave4885 are you calling cops as an institution serial killers?
Because the complaints about cops are about cops that are corrupt, you would have to be able to claim and prove that as a monolith cops are corrupted
There's also the fact that you're worried about a serial killer because the serial killer will be on towards to you. However they're complaining about a cop doing their job.
I mean it just goes to show that fear creates prejudice and hatred that turns into a snake eating it's own tail
@@mariscostumes3815 unfounded fear is the worst killer of the human spirit and trust
“People like us for 200 years” bro doesn’t look anything less than 100% Italian
I cringe at that remark. Cops didn't exist in the US until 1838, and they were pretty unorganized about it. Even then that was only Boston. Plain clothes officers wouldn't be a thing for decades, let alone people on infiltration missions.
Someone said he's probably gay
Stares at them in 900+ years of Irish discrimination
"Rookie numbers, laddie. Take a seat in the corner, sip a pint and pull that stick of gobshite notions of out of yer arse."
Why would a college classroom be a safe place to admit to a crime?
‘There are no truly Safe Spaces’ like PREACH!!!
Yep. Can't even trust some therapists.
There is… the only truly “safe” space, is when you are on your own, there is truly 100% “safety” around other people and even when your on your own there’s still somewhat risk.
@@Gabbz737NEW You expect to cuddle criminals?
@Andy-su5wg they are ethical and legally obligated to maintain client confidentiality unless the client explicitly wishes to do (future or present) harm to themselves or another, or the therapist is subpoenaed (which is extraordinarily difficult to do). If they breach said confidentiality without subpoena or clear danger to themselves/others, then not only can they (and are) be sued, but the therapist goes on probation with the likelihood of losing their license, and in rare circumstances face criminal charges.
Please note, I am using US Federal Law and the APA, which can muddy the waters between a State's and the Fed, which gets into jurisdictions and etc.
I had a prof that said she didn't think safe spaces existed. You never know what the people around you consider safe... but she liked to say her classes were safer spaces.
Essentially hypocrisy 💀
Does your name translate to F#cktard? Its a tv show genius
They're characters in a TV show. Try not to get your feelings tooooo hurt.😂
@@nathanmutai1861 the sad thing is there are many people in the world that think and act like this and I think that's what the comment was pointing out, and it didn't really sound like they had their feelings hurt at all but it kinda sounds like you do lol
@johnhostetler2167 I agree with the initial half of your statement, it is totally valid some people, do the most. However, the later half relies on a lot of assumptions, on both OP & me. (I'm just saying it's just a show. It's not that deep😂, maybe you think it is, and that's valid)
All this to say.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Hey Frank
"what if I admitted to a crime?"
That sounds like pleading guilty with extra steps
I gotta remember that if the actor makes you angry, it means they’re doing a good job
The teacher is a cop from Shameless lmao
Only saw her in clips but wasn't she corrupt in that? Like I didn't see her taking bribes but didn't she plant evidence on someone?
Also she was in castle with him. Forget exactly what she did there but think she was a private eye.
@@tonyblake7569 not really corrupt. More.. power hungry and self obsorbed.
But yeah, She (as Shameless cop character)threatned to chop off a kids hand for stealing things.
@@London_Jso… she’s a corrupt cop
No it was an empty threat believe it or not but wasnt actually gonna happen u spaz@@CptCooked420
Teaching a cop in this universe while being a cop in another.. now all we need is the rookie to be her teacher in Shameless and we got ourselves a full circle😂
What a bunch of clowns. Guess it makes that classroom a circus
And the sad part is it's not even a fun circus, and they failed as clowns the same as they failed the society.
It's a TV show, dude 😂
@nathanmutai1861 Oh wow, really? I had no idea how silly I've been 😐
Professors actually are obligated to report a lot more than you expect
The only safe space you’re ever gonna get is your bedroom 🤦🏻♂️😂😂
The only truly Safe Space you have is situated between your ears.
And even then you have to be on your toes!
The teacher should have returned the question onto the student..
"Should you be required to tell everyone your history?"
My bet..
They'd say, "Hell No!!"
Define "history"
@@ilyte1probably criminal past
Yeah, they say he’s morally obligated to tell them he’s a cop and yet the girl asks “what if one of us admits to a crime” as if they’re not morally obligated to tell people they’re a criminal or to make amends for they’re actions.
"What if one of us admits to a crime?"
Should not have done it in the first place then
The law says to shut up anyway so they should do that or if they can’t they deserve to do the time 😂😂😂😭😭
"This is supposed to be a safe space."
That includes for him. With the way cops are treated today, the second he is revealed as a cop the chances of him being jumped or killed between the classroom and his car are drastically upped.
Pluse no one else is revealing there jobs why does he have to.
ACAB
"What if any of us admited to a crime" your teacher is a mandatory reporter
I know it’s a show, but these kinds of people exist. It’s infuriating.
Complete lack of self-awareness. For kids who would have lived in the height of the age of Anti-Bullying, they sure were mean.
None of the other students felt the need to identify themselves or their backgrounds.
Anti-bullying just meant that you get in trouble for defending yourself and the bully doesn't get in trouble no matter what they do
@@johnnycovenant2286 Hell, that was still the norm in the 1980s. Nothing new there. Drop the bully, and you are the villain in the school's eyes, even if you had previously gone to the teachers for help and nothing got done.
Teacher: then id be legally and contractually obligated to tell on you myself. Its my job
What if we admited to a crime in a discusión... " Youd be stupid " * slowly turns head * 😂😂
The College I went to , some of the profs were/ was police officers. We had classmates who were police officers they were very chill , told us stories ( appropriate or to the point they can )
What if one of us admits to a crime?
This fucking generation is screwed.
Tell me which generation didn't commit crimes.
@novatare yeah. I mean the fact that she's even asking that question. Every generation has committed a crime.
Bruh it’s a TV show, it’s not that deep
It’s a badly written TV show numbskull
It ain’t suppose to be a safe space, it’s a place to exchange ideas
“Well at least he could’ve told us he was a cop.”
“I mean, I literally just did.”
How about "Dont commit a crime" 😂 lmfao
"...people like us..." The victimhood is strong with this one.
I have seen Hispanic people who have no white nationality but can pass as a white person.
@@RhysGFrelsa-Eudyptula maybe that person was "identify" as white person😂
That is a teacher with good sense.
“What if one of us admitted to a crime?”
“Then you’d be stupid.”
lol
As a person from a marginalized community ive gotta say this, STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET YOU!
To get into Black Lives Matter, said the girl. What tha heck- are there classes teaching BLM?
You would be surprised
Its a television show. They could be teaching Intergalatic Alien Relations And Economic Impact On Terrestrial Nations for all we know. Its not real, its a made up world with made up people. It raises an interesting plot point so they included it.
same reason why schools hide CRT.
Was wondering if she forgot they had black cops, why would they send Nolan.
@@MikkosFree but like the professor said "why would they semd a 40 year old something whiteguy to infiltrate blm"
Yeah, i think the teacher should have point out that if they admitted to a crime during discussions then she would be obligated to reported as a mandated reporter.
People be like “this is a safe space”
Every teacher councillor or psychologist would still need to inform police of any admitted crime…
If you have something to hide, keep your mouth SHUT!!!
Theyre all infuriating. Also "people like us" who tf is you?
I believe he means his racial/ethnic group lol.
@@princeytronHe looks about as white as me, and I'm as white as snow!
@@princeytron Obviously but he's white as fuck or white passing
Here’s your daily reminder that generally ALL educators are mandatory reporters, even college professors. So if she had admitted to a crime, that professor is legally required to tell the police herself.
"What if one of us admitted to a crime in the middle of a discussion?"
"Then you'd be stupid" 😂 Damn straight
😂 so you admit that you're actually out there committing crimes and are just mad that you have the possibility of getting caught and you can't handle the thought of accountability
That part legitimately made me facepalm. If you commit a crime you're already stupid, of course you should be arrested! 🤣🤣🤣
Teachers are not allowed to disclose anything about their students unless if they have news that the students are doing something illegal or pose a threat to the school or university but even so the people who gets to know are the police and the people in charge of the school like the principal
…thats not true at all. Teachers arent under a hippocratic oath my guy
@@ConnorNotyerbidnessthese people live in fantasy land, don’t waste your time, clearly you actually use your head unlike they do
@@ConnorNotyerbidness that's not what the Hippocratic oath is about. And yes, they're plenty of teachers that are held to the standard of HIPPA not that that really works, but they're supposed to abide by it.
@@ConnorNotyerbidness The Hippocratic Oath states to do no harm. There are indeed privacy laws.
@@notthefbi7015 no they arent.
Dude teachers are whats called a Mandatory Reporter
If teachers dont report on things *they go to jail*
so apparently you can confess murder in a safe space
Did they forget almost every educator is a mandated reporter?
There’s a law called FERPA that protects student’s privacy-and the school could get in massive trouble if the professor admitted that one student is a cop.
Another thing is when you work for a college and interact with students, you are a mandated reporter that if someone admits to being harmed, or wants to harm themselves-that is reported for the person’s safety.
Thirdly admitting to a crime in a public space is foolish because it is truly not as “safe” of a space as you would think.
yeah was about to say, the cop is the second person who will narc on you in a classroom, the teacher is the first
Yeah in the military the Chaplain can report potential self-harm or harming others during private confession.
FERPA protection is only about their educational records. The transcript comment by the teacher was actually a violation of FERPA unless he gave permission for that. Talking about another student’s profession outside of school is not relevant to FERPA.
A students profession isn’t anyone else’s concern and has nothing to do with the class. Her speaking to her own students about it however… violated his rights to privacy at his own school
@@mavelll8103 Perhaps but it doesn't violate FERPA.
For those students who say he should identify himself. Don't get pissed off when a cop asks you to do the same damn thing when they pull you over. You know how this world is you can't have your cake and eat it too
That literally not the same thing
Theyre supposed to be public servants, i, on the other hand, am a private citizen.
@phoenixofthestix they are only public servants when on duty. Any other time, he's a private citizen (they may not all act like it, but they really are just like us, clock in, then clock out). You as a private citizen can have someone arrested just like he can. These kids are so entitled just like most nowadays!!
@@ej_22 Yeah, one is required by law, the other isn't. You can't force a cop to reveal that he's a cop. But they can force you to identify yourself.
Not the same thing indeed.
@@phoenixofthestix If their job follows them in their private life, then it's the same for everyone. Make sure to keep that phone turned on and be available 24/7 for your boss.
This is a powerful way of dealing with today's society
Gonna make a quick citizens arrest
I mean Nolan is off duty so wouldn’t he be considered a civilian?
Bro rly thinks anyone cares enough to spy on any normal person in the U.S… you are not that guy pal, and if you were, you wouldn’t say anything about it
One of the Alphabet Agencies has been found that they do that, and that they have actively gone against the citizens of the USA
And even if you were watched you think you could identify the person watching yours name? I mean the guy from the government watching me is named Matt but you don't normally know that infomation 😂
"... Then you'd be stupid."
And there you have it... 🤣🤣🤣
Acknowledging that this is a scene from a TV show, let's address the teacher's question. No, John does NOT have any obligation to identify his occupation in this situation. If people are required to announce their "situation" or employment to people in various social groups, we would ALL have to carry signs or resumé style documents that provide a breakdown of our life experiences. Well, it would be easier to know who we may choose to avoid. It would be great to know who the criminals are, child predators, con artists, misogynists, people who have anger issues. Yeah, okay. Let's all announce to new people EVERYTHING that is nobody else's business. At least then NOBODY will ever be able to change and better themselves. Let's judge everyone without getting to know anything else about them. Good talk.
No one is obligated to share every detail of their life
The teacher is right you would have to be an idiot to confess to a crime in public no matter where you are
Then at the end of the episode she scolded him for not telling the class sooner !
They did the same storyline in the TV series Adam 12 back in the 60s. Although the groups weren’t BLM or whatever. They were at that time radical groups considered. And Pete Malloy took some classes and they accused him of the same thing. This episode pretty much is a carbon copy of that one. Although in that one, they actually destroyed his brand new car.
I will say now as I said when I saw that episode. He doesn’t have to tell anybody what he does for a living. Not other business. This guy just like officer Malloy and Adam was just there for education. I like the lady says here if you’re stupid enough to admit a classroom then you get to pay the consequences. F. and Find .
Dragnet ( detective Friday ) also had a similar one where the professor was the one with the problem and they voted him out of the class until another student ( a lawyer ) stood up for him and said it violated his civil rights. Great episode!
The problem is, when the left goes absolutely nuts, they do stupid stuff like cancel a women’s march because not enough women of color signed up, instead of just holding the march and working harder to recruit women of color next year. But when the right goes absolutely nuts, it leads to little kids in cages, The Holocaust, removal of reproductive rights and body autonomy from women, destruction of unions trying to get employees fair wages and safe working conditions, killing of gay and trans persons, and their ultimately wet dream, the return of slavery. And don’t scoff and say that can’t happen. Imagine what Germans would have said in 1924 if you could have told them what their country would be like in 1944.
My mom and I watched a bunch of reruns of Adam 12!! It was really good and we loved Officer Malloy!!
If I were the Professor I would've said, "If it was a serious crime? I'd be legally obligated to tell the police. There is no "safe space" when openly admitting to a crime."
If you admit to a crime the teacher HAS TO report the serious offense
The only 'safe space' is inside your home and even that can be legally got around.
Not if your state has castle doctrine. 😊
@@n7gunner248 Not if they have a warrant.
@tabuburn they technically still need to present that warrant to you. Anyone can say, "We have a warrant, open up."
"Okay then, show me."
If they fail to produce one, they are legally unable to enter your home and can be sued for rights violations.
I live in Montreal Canada the only place where u are told to leave your car keys outside for thieves also a place where if someone breaks in the most u can do is sit on them anything els and u going to jail with them don’t get me started on (language police) look it up Quebec is a place where if u speak English at work they can fire u with no warnings cuz they trynna protect the French language
Hate when people are like “I commit tons of crimes but when a cop finds out about them it’s racist when they arrest me FOR COMITTING THE CRIMES”
Teachers are legally obligated to report crimes if a student admits to one
"What if I admitted to a crime"
Maybe just don't commit ceimes
I don't know if anyone else understands the significance of this storyline. But in the televised series Dragnet from it's 60s run. The lead detective Joe Friday goes through something similar to this as he takes night classes.
Seems The Rookie is paying homage to the classics.
Either that or there are no more original story lines...
This first season of the Rookie did seem like a modern and more mature version Adam 12 and Dragnet
True, but in Dragnet a student flashed a bag of pot and Friday busted him on the spot. And the instructor, unlike the rookie's instructor, tried to bounce Friday from the class. He didn't succeed.
Wow these people really think the world revolves around them. I will never understand this sense of being so important to completely random strangers
If its a safe space, that hes not only allowed but entitled to feel safe in it as well. Which means not revealing his identity it it so impacts his safety
That teacher owned you like Millenia owns Tarnished.
So he has the ethical obligation to identify himself? How about you identify yourself and your citizenship status? Oh wait, you get offended.
"Well officer, I was simply on my daily commute from my... job... at the border patrol office and my car broke down and I lost all my clothes, so that's why I'm running."
"Do you at least have any ID?"
"No hables engles."
Asking someone to identify themself by their career, when that career is A) something they chose, and B) something with a history of institutionalized oppression and violence is far, *far* removed from asking someone to identify themselves by their race or nationality. I don’t agree that he was ethically obligated to confess to being a cop, but you are making a false comparison.
@@Munchkin.Of.Pern09 I’m making the false comparison on purpose to prove a point
@@Mr_NB628 Making a false comparison weakens your point.
@Munchkin.Of.Pern09 by your own argument, asking a person's immigration status is just as relevant.
And it's this type of attitude that's destroying our world
"this is supposed to be a safe space" bro you got a cop in the class room ain't it that safe enough
People like those kids are some of the worst of us.
I get this is just a TV show but if college students are truly this triggered then they shouldn’t expect any employer to take a risk by hiring them. Toughen up buttercup.
You get that this is totally exaggerated for TV, right...?
@@ShinyAvalonnot as much as you think
@@godkingtroycalypso877 - Far more than _you_ think. But, since it aligns with some people's preconceived notions, they'll take it as documentary footage. 🙄
@ShinyAvalon riiight, like the hundreds of videos we have of people being this stupid irl?
@@godkingtroycalypso877 - Dude, this is a riff on an episode from a 1960s cop show. And there's _nobody_ who acts as stupid as people in a "message" episode from the 1960s. If this looks like reality to you, then you've lost touch with reality.
How are those kids in that college class with no commin sense 😂😂😂
They are college students, that has NOTHING to do with any sense, let alone common.
And yet non of them asked how did he become a cop with out a degree
The teacher is literally the only one with common sense in this room Jesus Christ
Professors are mandated reporters. You admit to a crime in class, the consequences are on you
I swear there is a large amount of people who think like the "well what if we admit to a crime" and think it's okay
For those who don’t know the teacher played “Haley” in Castle alongside Nathan. Kinda fire to see the two back together after all those years
Did they forget teachers at all levels are legally obliged to report crimes?
Teachers are still mandated reporters. If you admit to a crime in a public space, there will be people there who are obligated to report the crime, regardless if they want to or not. If you commit a crime, you should either be brave enough to face the charges or smart enough to keep your yap shut.
It does depend on the crime. For the most part teachers are only mandatory reporters of child abuse or neglect.
If you admitted to breaking and entering a house the teacher would be under no obligation to report anything.
U admit to a crime anywhere u still committed a crime. Has she lost her last braincell?
They having this discussion in a ethics class.😂
"what if one of us admits to a crime?" They just completely forgot the whole mandatory reporting part of being a teacher/professor 😂
Beyond popular belief cops legally are not obligated to tell you that they are cops
So they can keep their business private but he can’t? Checks out..
Damn I love that teacher lol
That last line was awesome!!
Watching this scene, all I could see and hear is the teacher as her hard ass cop character in Shameless
If he was undercover, you wouldn’t know he was a cop… who put this scene together
This is from a Dragnet episode.
Not a cop anyway. He's a spaceship captain.
It just became an unsafe space as soon as you got offended and played the victim
People think they are so entitled
"This is supposed to be a safe space"
Girl, you're in a classroom in the US
“What if we admitted to a crime “ why would you admit to a crime 😂😂