NEW HONDA BLUETOOTH Generator EU2200i Exposed! CO Minder Review / 2021 Model
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- BRAND NEW 2021 Honda EU2200i inverter generator with Bluetooth, App Control and CO Detection in their redesigned best seller. See the full review and details about Hondas latest offering. I reviewed this generator and the CO Minder system to see how useful it is and how reliable it will be over time and can it be BYPASSED? Home Backup Power Generator at it's best!
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Model: EU2200iTAG
Honda EU2200
Engine Honda: GXR120
Displacement: 121cc
AC Output: 120V 2200W max. (18.3A), 1800W rated (15A)
Receptacles: 20A 125V Duplex
Fuel Tank: .95 gal
Run Time per Tankful: 3.2hr @ rated load 8.1 hrs @ 1/4 load
Dimensions (L x W x H)20.0" x 11.4" x 16.7"
Noise Level57 dB(A) @ rated load 48 dB(A) @ 1/4 load
Dry Weight: 47.4 lb.
Residential Warranty: 3 Years
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I never wanted or needed a generator and yet I'm watching this at midnight instead of going to bed. Thank you youtube.
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LOL. I am watching these videos too at 12am. However, I need one and don’t know the first thing about them.
You never know. You might need one someday, you’ll be educated! Happy day!
We have two of the older models at my work. One is 6 years old and the other is 8 or so. Never changed the oil, filter, or spark plugs. Ever. They start one pull in warm weather every time and 2-3 pulls in winter conditions. Running in parallel is awesome but best part is how quite they are. You can have normal conversations standing right over them. Greatest small generator you will ever buy, no question.
Why not change the oil?
They don’t even have an oil filter, so you better start changing the oil
It’s like someone going to McDonald’s every day for lunch, yet their still alive
@@OKFrax-ys2op😂😂😂😂😂
Just completed the break-in period and so far the unit is operating perfectly czcams.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y . I was amazed by just how quiet this little guy is. I kept having to walk down the driveway to the generator to make sure it was still running. In fact, the most annoying noise coming from the set-up is a high-pitched chirping coming from the pressure regulator on the propane line. I suppose it's possible my other propane-powered generator's pressure regulator is making the same noise, but the generator itself is so loud I've never noticed it. Build quality so far is excellent. My only nit is the service panel is a little tricky to remove. I feel like I might break off one of the plastic tabs when bending it back. I probably just need to work out the technique, so will not hold it against Champion.Next week I intend to fully load the unit to charge a large battery pack and will update this review if there's any problem (3000W continuous load vs a rated 3100W capacity while using propane). Absent any trouble there, I'm 100% pleased with this purchase.
I have 2 older eu200i models for 4 years. I use them every summer to run small air conditioners mounted in box trucks to ship wine in the hot south. The generators are put in steel toolboxes mounted under the side of the trucks. Zero trouble in four years. They still start with one or two pulls and if there is ever any trouble they can be serviced at any Honda Outdoors dealer. Thanks for a great review.
What’s the setup like in the enclosure for the generator on the side of the truck? Sound proofing? What is the ventilation like? Thanks
vents toward the rear of the truck to keep out road water with a small hinged door for the power connection. also the door is loose fitting with a hinged bottom and a hasp for a padlock at the top. No insulation because the Honda E 3000i is already quiet.@@OKFrax-ys2op
Occasionally you come across a master on CZcams. Here is one. He is always trying to figure out better ways to fix the things most of us just live with and grumble about. His videos are clear and very, very, thorough. This one is a good example. He knows Honda generators better than the company engineers themselves. The vIdeo gets my own award of surprising excellence today. BRAVO!
Wow, what a nice thing to say, I really appreciate that!
I second your really well written post!
I'll admit when I first saw the title of the video NEW HONDA BLUETOOTH Generator EU2200i Exposed looked like typically CZcams clickbait but I was actually very impressed with this demonstration. Thank you for the video!!!
My EU2000 is 10 years old. Still my most trusted gen.
Thats Honda baby
Hah I bought my EB5000 in the early 90 still using it sometime
@@fozziebear411 still running fine?
@@johnmead9012 first year using it almost everyday and now whenever framing new houses I using it until I got the temporary power pole yes it still running fine
@@fozziebear411 damn that's great 👍
Thanks for testing the co sensor. This was/is my biggest concern. if the design changes or there is a parts problem I don't want my generator to be down for something that is only a "nice to have" --- if you follow the instructions, you'll never need this component.
I"m most excited that Honda finally added the ability to turn off the fuel separate from the ignition. The amount of small engines damaged by bad fuel...you can make a good living just knowing how to clean a carb...
That isn't the CO sensor. That's the reset switch. The sensor is located in another part of that area.
I’m 54 and always thought you screw the oil stick in to check the oil level. Never to old to learn something new. Thanks for the intel brother. 👍
I work with a lot of Honda generators. The EU2200i is the MOST oil overfilled generator I see. People tilt them, and add more oil, overfill etc. So I wanted to point that out, but not every model is the same the Hondas are but other engines, companies do have you screw in the stick as well. So you may have been right depending which models you use,
Silver Cymbal Roger that. Thanks again.
One more Texan here watching this now.
Best generator on the market hands down. I’ve got thousands of hours on my eu2200i.
Well I guess you better bring it in for an oil change & servicing before your pistons lock up
@@centeguahan3760 you idiot I change the oil every 40 hrs. Bring it in where?? I’m not lazy and stupid like you millennials I take care of my own maintenance and repairs!!
@@darrylmcginty1296 someone is sensitive...nice assumptions. You sound pretty ignorant assuming all people from certain generations are the same though. Millennials range from 25-40 years old but I’m sure you already knew that with how smart you are.
I had to buy this as a result of a power outtage from a storm in Sacramento, CA.
I'm not a big fan of reviews, especially because my grammar sucks. Anyways I'm glad I got this generator,especially with a new born. It was the last one available so I got really lucky.
In 2 days I was able to run my fridge, small heater, 55" tv,cable box,water dispenser with no problem,power strips to charge phones & flashlights.
Just whenever I needed to use the microwave,you have to turn everything else off and dedicate it solely to the microwave otherwise it will pop the breaker.
It's hard to guess how much gas you have left in it, but I would fill it up every 4 hours.
Best investment you can make.I promise it pays itself off by just saving the money on food that doesnt go to waste.
Excellent video - Thank you for doing it - Just brought one of these home and tried it out on a 1500 watt ceramic heater - The app indicated 1450 watts very smoothly supplied with room for some electronics in an emergency - Started on 3rd pull for fist ever start, Bluetooth app loaded and connected perfectly - Caution - My unit had a good bit of oil left from the manufacturer's test, at least 5
ounces, and had to let a bit out to get the level right before starting - Also - It's easy to over fill the gas - High compliments to Honda on this little gem - Glad I bought it and my wife feels a bit more secure for an emergency scenario
I have the EU2200i from three years ago. What a unit!! Quiet and dependable. Always starts on the first or second pull and it runs for hours without a refill. I really like some of the improvements to it on this new version. The flap that covers the outlets and the protection over the reset button. I guess the Bluetooth is an advantage, but not a necessity. Likewise with the carbon monoxide detector. I would be more acute to using it if I were in a confined space where there is no air flow, but if this is being used for camping or a travel trailer, then in all likelihood it would be outside.
I would love to get the companion to increase the power. Thanks for the review! Very helpful. Cheers!
Does the app tell you lifetime hours?
I have the old model, still works great, only way I would update is if I could start it up from the app
If it doesn't have a starter motor and battery, I don't get how that would happen....
@@lleaha no you need to parallel two together. Otherwise it doesn’t have enough power to turn on compressor
@@lleaha I'm pretty sure it will. My older model EU2000 runs small AC units.
@@lleahaIt should be able to start a Frigidaire brand because most Frigidaires have soft start systems in them. The problem with some others is the starting surge. Running, they only use about 4 to 500 W. If it won't start yours, you might be able to add a soft start system to it.
@@johnwyman6126 I installed a Micro Air Easy Start in the 15,000BTU A/C on my fifth wheel. The EU2200 runs it just fine.
I am repairing a generator in Japan.
The product is a good idea.
It is even better if you install a starter motor.
O, you can install a starter motor on this model? If yes can you please post the parts and instructions - that would be awesome.
Question?
I bought a Honda EU7000is a couple of years ago & I’m a convert. I love💕 my generator. I have used it twice at my house during power interruptions. Once for 12 hours in the winter. A second time just last month for 3 days. It has already paid for itself in my opinion. I can run my entire house & my central air with this one unit. Ofcourse it is wired by an electrician to my house electric grid.
I’m curious if my model is Bluetooth compatible as well? It has electric start & is their flagship inverter generator.
You’ll laugh at this but I hardly ever am home when it’s on because I work as a utility lineman restoring power to other people’s homes & businesses.
I also own an EU7000is and used it here for 7 day straight czcams.com/video/zHfIqAiUM-s/video.html I never shut down, refueled it non-stop, its an amazing machine. But it isn't bluetooth or app compatible. They have a new one coming out this fall that like this model will also have the app control.
HI SIR! WHEN YOU USE YOUR GEN SET, DO YOU HAVE TO EMPTY THE GAS TANK OR IS IT SAFE TO LEAVE IT UNTIL YOUR NEXT USAGE? IN MY CASE I ALWAYS USE MY GEN ONCE EVERY 3 MONTHS. THANK YOU SIR!
No sir’s are necessary-I’m a working guy.
As for fuel storage? If you use your generator atleast every few months? I wouldn’t think you need to do anything with your fuel? We use our generator for when we lose power at home. We lose power for atleast a day once a year. I add Stabil Fuel stabilizer (marine grade) with Startron fuel enzyme. We do that out of an abundance of caution. I add both into empty 5 gallon gas cans before fueling up. That way it properly mixes as I add fuel. I keep my fuel upwards of a year without separation or degradation.
Many people might be surprised but the EU7000is is very fuel efficient. During a recent storm in the summer time, we only used about 11 gallons of gas a day. That’s while running the central air during the hottest part of the day with windows open at night. We burned about 30 gallons of gas over a three day outage. That’s running the entire house. 2 full-size refrigerators & an extra large freezer. Hot water, washer/dryer & stove/oven. My wife was using her lap top & my sister in-law was watching tv with lights on.
You might ask what I was doing? I was restoring power as a lineman for the local power company & only coming home to refuel & sleep.
@@johnclyne6350 what a wonderful and informative reply, Mr. John! Big help for me! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the said additive is available here in my country. Thanks again, Mr. John!
@@edssan 3 months should be ok on its own but if you want to be safe, add what I do here to your gas and you can leave it for up to 2 years and not worry: czcams.com/video/KwfAEGZiE2I/video.html
Great to know. Post hurricane we ran our eu2000 for 200 hours. Hate to think the co sensor could be a mission critical failure or expire in the middle of a disaster...
Apparently not- as was demonstrated by removing the CO2 connector.
@@garbinator09 hopefully you'd have the security bit in a disaster. (Or hopefully you know how to drill out screws. Or hopefully your drill still has power, hah!) You could probably drill out the security bit stubs and make it into a normal hex screw.
I'm glad you tested the generator without the CO detector connected at all. At first I was like "Sounds like a great way for Honda to make you buy a new generator." At least you can unplug it completely and still have it work. I'm sure the part itself is inexpensive, but the wiring is probably Honda's proprietary blend of herbs and spices and are likely very reluctant to sell you this part for less than the cost of replacing your 2200i
It will only run for a short while (10-15 minutes) with it unplugged
He simply disconnected the reset/test button & led cluster. The actual sensor module is inside the case on the right side behind the panel he removed. Best I can tell from the shop manual, the CO Minder provides a grounding output to the inverter board just like the low oil sensor. In fact, they land on the same pin on the inverter board (yellow wire). So it’s a neat feature for those who are dumb enough to run their generators indoors, but a hassle for the rest of us. If mine ever trips on this CO noise, I’ll be lifting that yellow wire off of the actual module before a dealer ever sees it. Bet.
Lisent. I went through 6 months without electricity here in Puerto Rico back when huracan María sent us back to the 1800s. This generator is a really amazing thing. We plug it directly to the main braker and ran the entire house with it. No AC obviously but 3-4 floor fans, garage doors, all the lights in the house, tv, the fridge and the microwave (usually we unplug the fridge to run the microwave).
It is still running strong when we get a power outage even after all this years since the huracan. And let’s not forget about the 6 months of abuse working 16 hours per day back in 2017. A full tank last anywhere from 8-10 hours in ecomode and requiere about $2.50 at current gas prices. Thats just insane.
As long as we dont use things like the water heater or the iron while also powering the house that puppy lights the entire house without even increasing its revs.
And yes I do know its not “rated” for that but at the time there was the need for a generator that was able to work with less than $5 per day. Remember, 6 months without electricity living out of savings and with 2 days waiting lines at the gas station. The little red thing blew our minds. I will always recommended
Did you properly lock out / tag out your breaker panel so some knucklehead wouldn't switch on the mains and backfeed/electrocute someone working on the power lines? Technically what you did is "illegal", but with the proper lock out / tag out, it should be safe. (But anyone working for the power company wouldn't want to have to have their life depend on your abilities.)
I don’t even need this. Watched entire video.
You need it. You've just been lucky, and on borrowed time. Get one while you still can.
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Every state in the US will experience flooding at some point. Hello global warming. Also, the power grid tends to get more unstable the more electric cars you hook onto it. Everyone needs this generator, they just don't know it yet. If you live in an apartment, as long as you have a balcony, you should still be able to run this and survive. (And maybe flooding is less of an issue if you aren't on the ground floor, but power outages still would be.)
Excellent testing without the co2 sensor on it! When I saw that the first thing that came to my mind was "what if that sensor fails?" Now I know it doesn't matter because I can take it off if that happens, thanks!
Glad it helped!
I've had a Eu 2000 I for 7 years,never let me down once. Just keep up on the maintenance and they will fire up ,they're pretty much bulletproof. Nice to see some much needed technology added to such a reliable product.
I bought an EU2200i just a couple of months ago, and it was the -1 version, without the CO sensor. It was able to power the fridges, a couple lamps and wifi for my two neighbors and me at the same time. If one needed to use the sump pump, we had to reduce power a bit so it wouldn't shut off. While twice the price of the other competitors, it's twice the unit and does not have a cheap motor in it.
It is definitely one of the best generators in this size made. Not cheap but long lasting and the resale value of old ones is beyond unbelievable. Rusted out 2000is still get $600 that only cost $849 new 20 years ago!
@@SilverCymbal Some people just don't understand (or are unwilling to understand) , that the Honda EU series are the best VALUE generators that money can buy. I actually used to be one of those people, but I learned a valuable lesson. Cry once when you buy the Honda, and know that it will serve you well. If you ever need, or want, to sell it in the future, you're sure to smile.
I bought mine a few days ago. Stumbled across the new model by accident at my local farm and ranch store.
Why would they get rid of the battery charger? That seems more handy then the bluetooth function.
They got rid of the 12 volt circuit because less then 5% of the purchasers ever bought the 12 volt charging cord. Plus the 12 volt system was unregulated and there are so many good 12 volt chargers that you an buy and just plug it into the 120 AC outlet. I have had my EU2000i for over 17 years and have never used the 12 volt system.
Because raising the MSRP $100 for the "co-minder/bluetooth" model was not enough. They saved $2 by not keeping the 12 volt receptacle and breaker. There was more than enough room on the panel to accomodate both the 12 volt receptacle and breaker and the co-minder sensor/light/reset button.
Marketing. BT sells. Silly I know.
Too bad, I use that battery charger quite often on my 3000is too bad it was removed :(
Run your generator for only 8 amps worth of charging? totally pointless. I have a 30 amp charger I use in conjunction with my EM600 generator and they're perfectly matched. Pulls about 500 watts making much better use of the power available.
I am still using my Honda EU1000 I got in about y2k or the year 2000. Always take it on on road trips. It has been a life saver for me and other worrier travelers.
I love the EU1000, I had a few and wish I kept them all. My most favorite tiny gas generator!
My fire department uses Honda. They are absolutely great units. Never had a problem with one.
(silver cymbal takes out the CO safety switch)
well, now we know for sure this is not a sponsored video LOL
I figured that would definitely eliminate any doubts!
Love that you disconnected that sensor on the vid.. game changer. Bought mine today!
@@happyseany Glad it helped. amzn.to/3kfGnBp Is a nice upgrade for sure!
Lost my pre co minder on Matagorda beach with hutch propane kit gahhhh. Buying this one tomorrow after seeing you can eliminate this nanny bullcrap, thanks.
Has anyone been able to operate the unit with the front module disconnected? I disconnected it so it would run under my truck bed cover to keep it out of the weather (still had some ventilation) and it still knew to trip. Overly sensitive pain in the butt feature. Only, with the front module disconnected, there was no way to reset it. The generator wouldn’t start no matter how many times I pulled the string. I had no choice but to reconnect it and use it to clear the fault. The sensor is somewhere else - deeper within the unit. Hopefully, someone will figure out how to bypass it eventually. Very annoying. If you don’t know by now not to sleep next to a running engine and exhaust fumes this little safeguard will only delay the inevitable. The engineers did their homework - made a pretty confounding, hard to overcome feature. That little plastic module does two things - it indicates when there’s a CO trip and it lets you reset the generator so you’re not locked out from being able to restart. The replaceable part is elsewhere.
Thanks for the outstanding video. I purchased an EU2200i yesterday as a backup to my trusty old EU2000i. Like you and so many others, the sensor has me bugged. I was glad to see the unit still runs with the CO module disconnected, but I still have a concern. I assume the CO module is just an input/output device to the internal controller. Inputs being the CO sensor and the reset button. Outputs being the LED's. I worry the control logic will still shut the unit down after the sensor "expire" time arrives, and only an authorized service tech can reset the unit after replacing the module. It will be interesting to watch this drama unfold as these CO-Minder equipped generators age. I suspect there will be much more said about this to come. Thank you.
Great vid review. I especially like the part where you consider the long term considerations and looked into modern failsafe additions being a potential issue. You checked and found the answer for yourself.
This review garnered another subscriber for the channel.
We are a recent storm that left 1000 without power this weekend. My co-worker raved about this product. In her words" Highly recommend Honda EU2200iTAG with Co-Minder Inverter Generator, it quietly powered 2 fridges, a freezer, security system with cameras, garage door opener, WiFi modem, 2 tvs, lamps, fans, phone chargers, an air fryer and coffee pot and can’t forget my cabana! We didn’t even tap into the potential it still had!"
So glad to hear you had a great time with it. It is not the cheapest but it is an amazing machine for sure.
Does it have GPS tracker. Someone stole my 2000 watt. That would be a nice feature.
Good review! Thanks! I appreciate you bringing the CO sensor to our attention and the fact that it can be disconnected so it will work when and where we may need it. I don’t like the fact that the DC panel has been eliminated !!! Many uses for that DC panel. I won’t be buying this model because of that.
Isn't DC also available from the generator paralleling terminals? Isn't that the whole point of those terminals, to provide +12VDC to parallel to another generator?
Can the app tell you how many hours are on the generator ??
I have never seen a better review for any product. Well done good sir. Well done!
You’re in Bluetooth range. “Generator has started.” OH REALLY???!! BRRraahhhh
Looking at the schematic for the generator its the yellow wire going to the CO sensor that would shut the unit down. The same wire is also routed to the low oil switch. It looks like grounding this wire will shut it down.
I ran my 2000 model for two days after hurricane Sally. It started up without a problem after 2 years in storage. I have a manual transfer switch on my outside electrical panel and that's where I connect the generator. It ran my refrigerator, several lights, computer and phone. It tripped out with the microwave and probably would not like my toaster or any other high current device. It used very little gas unlike the big whole house generators. Since it is small and portable I have no problem storing it for the next hurricane. I was very pleased with it's performance even though it will not run everything in my house at once. Just fine for getting me through the power out after the big storm.
Excellent,added to my Honda collection,one EX4500S,two HondaEU2000I,one HondaEu2200i,one Eu220It blue tooth.
external co2 sensors are cheap, don't need it built-in. that was a good review, thanks.
External sensors aren’t going to shutoff the generator automatically. If you have animals or children this is a great feature. Accidents happen and this reduces the risk of a terrible one. And if you need you can disconnect the module. Seems like a no brainer to me.
As a someone I consider to be “handy”, I like the fact that it will run without the CO2 sensor. But brings up concerns that a failure of such safety feature may not be detectable. I am from the medical device industry where all safety features must fail in a most safe manner which in the case of this generator means no start.
good question, does it "fail safe"
Someone else said it will stop after 15 minutes after removing unit. 😊
The loss of the battery charging capability in a light portable generator is shocking. I'm glad i have the previous model and absolutely love it.
I found an older 2000i at a yard sale for $100. Runs great and really no need. But such a good deal, I'll keep it around for the occasional offsite need, or if someone needs to barrow one. These things are bulletproof
Nice review. Reminds me of Milwaukee's One Key. The last thing I need is my generator talking to my phone. And like you said, all these bells and whistles yet still no fuel gauge - the one thing you really NEED on a generator. There are a lot of electronics in these Honda inverter generators that can prevent them from starting and running. If the Bluetooth can shut off the generator it too can prevent it from starting. On the subject of fuel, I would like to see Honda increase the size of the fuel tank opening. It is almost impossible to see the level of fuel down the hole while you are filling. As a result it is very easy to overflow, which of course is made worse by the lack of a fuel gauge.
All great points and I totally agree about the gas, its the most stressful tank I fill up! Little but....stop...filll...little more...spill! I would like to see that improved too!
You just need an auto stop fill adapter for your gas bottle that’s all 👍
Is this because people at Honda are completely stupid, or is it because they have no idea, how to add a gauge?
Hmmm... I don‘t get it.
Maybe noone has told them? Or they just don‘t care?
Any real answer available?
@@AhrensburgTV Honda equipment is weird. They make some of the best built reliable equipment available but some of their design queues are from the dark ages. In this day and age when almost everyone includes an oil dipstick, Honda still uses the tiny oil plug where if the oil runs out when you open it, it's full. :-) I don't know if you remember the Honda riding mowers but they were some of the best ever made yet they had some features that were completely stupid and backwards from everything else on the market.
What a superbly detailed video, with excellent, relevant imagery and corresponding narration.
I found the video to be both interesting and informative and the test of the CO2 Detector was great.
Even better was your testing to verify that the machine would still start and run even if it was disconnected!
Your review of the phone App was also really well done.
I'm happy to subscribe to such a helpful, informative channel.
Living where hurricanes knock the power out ever single year at the worst times, this was very helpful and informative. Thanks!
Harbor freight Predator 3500w 699.99 $ 12v battery, electric start, 12v charge wires, oil funnel, tools.. the 3500 predator is quieter than my two 2200w & my two 2000w Hondas. 5k$ for all my Honda generators... That’s equivalent to seven harbor freight 3500w predators... not impressed with the blue tooth and co2 sensor. Honda please Add a remote start and don’t change the cost. Thanks for your upload 👍🏻
I'd much rather have an LCD display like their other models than Bluetooth. I don't want to have to pull out my phone to check current draw or engine hours.
Bluetooth seems like it should be more resilient against years of usage vs an LCD display. An LCD display will only last a decade or less if it's smashed or heat damaged. An LED display might have been nice. But what would you have on it? % load? They could have done that with a simple LED bar graph.
The carbon monoxide sensor life is a real issue since the life of the sensor begins at date of the manufacture of the sensor and ages from that point on (shelf "non-running" and running time included) so even with a brand new never run co-minder model that is still in it's box unopened, the clock is ticking. Being able to bypass the whole sensor module is good but quite a huge pain in the ass if you had to do that during a power outage or other critical time. Probably best to wait for the warranty to expire then go in there and pull the plug on that module before it comes back to haunt you when you need the power and need it now. After that you'll never waste money on getting it "repaired". Another concern is the Bluetooth module... If that part goes freaky it might render the generator useless, just like window air-conditioner units with digital control panel/displays where the AC fan, compressor are just fine but the "brains" of the control panel is fried and you cannot run the thing no matter what. I wonder if the entire Bluetooth module is disconnected, will the generator still run or will that 50 cent microchip render a $1100 generator into yet another designed to fail piece of junk? Another thing about the Bluetooth... Security. No password on the eu2200i model with this feature... The ability for some punk to shut off your generator does not sound like a feature. Ditching the 12v receptacle was bad. There appears to be more than enough room on the panel for it to have remained even with the co-minder... Those parallel outlets are very low and no-rubber cover for them... I'd rather have a eu2200i with none of these new 'features' and a simple mechanical gas guage. Honda stop adding things people did not ask for or want. Anyone running their generator in the garage or worse is already brain dead.
Keep in mind that from the Eu2000 on, they all have a single electronic module that encapsulates the inverter and control systems. This proved to be very reliable and you see very few inverters/control modules fail. I showed that the CO detector could be bypassed and I don't think the BT module would cause this to fail, but sure you never know. I have a feeling that most of the tech for these is shared to some degree with their autos, so all I am saying is that the same company made the original EU line and made this one, so I would expect the same level of reliability. I did have an issue with a CO alarm that can stop my generator from working, which is why I did the test.
@@bruceeverett5372 No the app still worked, from the schematic that seems to be a separate module inside.
me, I would think that Honda would be opening a whole new can of worms, in regards to product liability, with a CO sensor on it, because some people might assume since it has the CO shut down safety feature, it might then be safe to run the generator in an enclosed space, but it's not safe to run a generator in an enclosed space, but people might assume since it has the feature, and then most importantly what happens if it goes bad, without warning, then somebody dies because of it,
@@turtmastert3545 You would think that the 17 warnings in the manual would be enough. The sensor might be enough to stop the basement runner, but the garage runner might have enough air to make it good enough for the sensor because the garage guy is a bit smarter he put a fan near it and so the sensor says OK but the CO is being blown further into the garage... Generator runs. Guy goes in the house and then later comes back in the garage and goes timber. Honda is running fine. The Sensor worked but mislead the guy! You are RIGHT!
did you run it for more than 15 minutes to see if the failsafe does not shut the generator down?@@SilverCymbal
Absolutely fantastic review! This is one of the most complete reviews of the 2021/2022 EU2200I which I have seen. The video even addressed the concerns which I had about the CO sensor. While the video covered the parallel cable, the video did not cover the EU2200IC (companion) variant shown within the video which features a 30A socket. It's also worth noting that a Neutral-Ground Bonding Plug must be used when this generator is used with a surge protector ... such as is commonly required by RV manufacturers. Again, this is a fantastic review and one which I have bookmarked for future reference. Thanks for posting.
My eu2200i is over ten years old and probably has no less than 3,000 hours. Oil changes and one plug change. What a beast...
I run a 10k btu camper AC with a soft starter on this generator. Plus a fridge, lights, usb outlets charging two phones. A beast indeed.
Good review. Honda screwed up removing the DC functionality of this generator and I guess I’ll be looking at a different model to buy because of it. Way to go Honda, you add something that’s not that beneficial “Bluetooth” (can’t restart it) and take away something that lots of folks use on this size of inverter generator. 👍
Well the Bluetooth feature is great
However the co2 system is what needs to go. Bring back the DC charger !
Honda is always good at being a 2nd rate Toyota.
Don’t know if it’s by design or fault but I think unplugging that sensor and still being able to have it work is a huge positive. It would be really bad to be relying on that as most people do when using one and have no power available because of a safety failure.
We have had the old model for like forever, I think since it came out, maybe 20 years? and it has been just perfect!! Not that we use it a lot, but here it is responding always in times of need. 100% recommended.
Got honda 12 years old, running like new, also got Ryobi with bluetooth , 3 years old running strong
Bought one when the day it was released. Pretty awesome generator
Great to hear, it has to be the quietest launch I have ever seen.
what is cost about ?
Hopefully someone figures out a way to add the BT circuitry to the old eu2200i, i would really like to have that feature on mine, but not enough to sell it and buy another
My EU2200i has been a beast! It just doesn’t stop running
Honda missed the boat on this. Bluetooth on a 2200 is simply a toy. Though I have never used the 12 volt charger, it is nice knowing it is there in an emergency, and they took that away. The CO minder scares me. What happens when the battery goes bad? Will it still run? I see you can unplug and it will run. I would like to see a gas gauge, and possibly a watt meter. That would make me happy.
That Kubota mini-pickup is 🔥
One simple mistake in this review. I want to see if the unit shuts down with the reset module unhooked. What if, in fact, it is JUST a reset module? The CO sensing "bit" may still be active and will shut it down. ( a good thing I would think ).
From the view shown in the video of the disconnected plug going to the module on the panel, the entire module was disconnected from the rest of the generator so it is very unlikely there is some other connection that would allow the module to even be active or be able to signal the bluetooth module that then grounds the ignition coil. Fortunately the CO module is mounted on the back of the panel and not on the PCB of the inverter. If it was on the inverter PCB, it would be a whole lot messier to disable it. So having it on the panel is a blessing. I should not have said that.... Don't give Honda any ideas...
Boss Man I’m pretty sure what postalinVT was getting at was since the unit wasn’t run in an enclosed space with the CO unit disconnected, we don’t know if that module is actually the sensor itself, or simply an indicator/reset switch. In other words, the actual CO sensor might be located elsewhere and still functional.
I don’t believe that’s the case, I believe that unit on the panel is the sensor, I’m just explaining what I think the other poster was pointing out.
@@RickinICT Right! You never know. Someone suggested putting Tape (or bubble gum) over the panel "Sensor" - that might be enough to block it, if that is in fact the sensor itself. That would be a lot easier than opening the electrical panel and voiding the warranty.
@@bossu2005 . Great another use for duck tape. HA.HA.HA
I wonder if you could put a piece of tape over the CO sensor to override it?
Thanks for the review. I was also worried about the sensor fearing that I wouldn't be able to use the generator when needed. Thanks for showing us how to bypass in an emergency.
I rather take my current Honda eu2200i with me when I go camping then some over priced battery 🔋 inverter like goal zero 1400 or a jackery 1000
Agreed. I recently converted my 2200 to tri-fuel, using the Hutch Mountain kit. The ability to run gasoline, propane & natural gas is very well worth the cost.
If Honda see this video. They will stop it from starting without the sensor.
Nice review.
Thanks for uploading
Seriously. you aren't kidding, I was wondering if they have the ability to do that through a firmware update! Unofficially I believe that they designed it this way on purpose but time will tell. Thanks!
I looked at a Honda 2 years ago.
I also looked at a dometic.
I decided that fit a difference of a thousand bucks, 4 decibels extra I can live with
I was able to cold start my 13000 BTU window air conditioner with just one Honda eu2200i which is a big improvement over the eu2000i where I had to run (2) eu2000i's in parallel to get the unit to cold start. That extra 200 watts surge capacity makes a big difference. I heard the generator gasp but it did not cut out. BTW: That initial cold start current surge which I measured is around 28 amps (around 3500 watts) for less than a second and then after that it quickly settles to somewhere between 8 to 10 amps. I noticed that the eu2200i does eat more gas than the eu2000i but in my example it is a gas saver - running 1 generator instead of 2.
Adding a soft start to the air conditioner should help.
Pretty funny, the owner of the Honda generator, bought a Kubota side by side! So Honda made it to communicate with a phone app, but removed what appeared to be USB port for charging your phone😂. In addition, there is no 30amp plugin, so you can hook two together for 4400 amp but you are not able to use that amount of power for an RV or your house. Now that is some intelligent design😂!
When you combine two Honda the second MUST be the companion model that has the 30 AMP plug for using it on RVs. I have no idea why there is no USB but my theory is that USBs were never designed for outside use and they could easily get crapped up. Honda is usually thinking its owners want very long term use so that could be why they leave it out.
@@SilverCymbal If Honda is thinking that its customers want long term use why are they adding more electronic crap to their tried and true designs?
@@gil6995 They really have no choice, they can't have other brands having, USB, Bluetooth, etc. At some point they will look too dated. Hopefully these things will be as well engineered as the inverter itself has been.
@@gil6995 Probably getting sued from people dying over CO.
The 10 amp battery charger was a great feature.
I'll keep my old i2000 till they bring the 12 volt back
They will never bring it back. Honda went full retarded on their entire line of generators. They also removed the 12 volt receptacle on the eu1000 and eu3000is CO-Minder/Bluetooth models.
@@bossu2005 that sucks I made a 25 foot cord up for my snow trailer with their 12 volt generator plug on one end and 7 wire female trailer plug on other end with wires to ground and accessory to charge my rv battery I run a 25 foot 110 volt cord right beside it covers both.
I'm told the 10 amp charge uses about 175 watts of my 2000
@@acew280 The non Co-Minder/Bluetooth version is still available but they won't be for long. I ordered 2 of the the non Co-Minder/Bluetooth models as soon as I heard of all this BS a few weeks ago. I knew it was now or never.
@@bossu2005 good to know
Thanks for the info
@@acew280 FYI: The big box retailers like home depot/lowes etc. seem to only have the co-minder versions so I got mine from electricgeneratordepot.com - here is the product page - if you decide to order I'd call them and order over the phone making sure they are sending you the non co-minder version - that's what i did.... www.electricgeneratordepot.com/collections/inverter-generators/products/honda-eu2200i-121cc-2200-watt-120-volt-super-quiet-portable-inverter-generator
Always EXCELLENT and comprehensive presentations, sir. Between this unit and the Westinghouse iGen 4500 with electric start, which would you personally select for partial home back-up use?
Honda should build a gps tracking feature into it for theft recovery. Worried about my Honda but not my cheap generic knockoff that gets the job done just as well and has a gas gauge.
With Honda, you are paying for a piece of mind
Nice review. For small Generators I can do without the Bluetooth. I rather have that info on a nice color screen located on the Generator. Some of the Lithium Battery Generators are doing that and it is quite handy. The new Bluetti AC200. Overall Honda's are still the best gas Generators.
That big square space where the CO-Minder auto destruct feature is located would be a great use of space for a digital amp/voltmeter. You can buy these things on ebay for $6 and you don't need a phone to read it. Just point eyeballs and it works! This idea is in the same category of the non-existent Honda gas cap fuel gauge. No Phones/Apps. Just look at gauge and it works! That might be a $15 part. People have been asking for the fuel gauge forever and Honda knows this but instead we get something Honda's Lawyers wanted and yet another thing that has to have a phone and an "App". The idea of practical usefulness has escaped Honda. BTW: I wonder what data the "App" is sending to Honda Inc. or 3rd party contractor? Quite frankly it is none of their business when, where, how often, how long you have the thing running. The next question is what data is being sent from Honda Inc. or 3rd party to the "App" and then to the generator? More than likely there is a disable function. If I had one of these new models, I'd go in there and unplug both the CO-Minder and the Bluetooth modules and put a hammer to them ASAP. When is this intrusive control BS going to end?
Removing 12V takes this off my list
Well, the 12 v wasn't regulated, for a nominal price you can get a much better / more powerful 12/24 power supply, battery charger.
I would consider (after some time to prove itself) getting one. However, my old 2000 is still going strong, has been in 42 different states, has an extended run tank or 2 and lives in a custom built box.
Just got mine. I'm so happy with everything about it and this video really inspired me to go for it. Thank you so much it is a great review of this product!
You did a very nice review. However I want to warn anyone looking at Honda generators. They are not what they used to be. I bought a EU2200 and it would did not run right. Took it to a Honda dealer and they told me it needs a carb and the wires are damaged. They claim someone worked on the generator and will not honor the warranty. It has less then ten hours on the generator no one has worked on it. The only thing I did was put oil and gas in it. I now have Honda involved I want the unit replaced or my money back. Honda told me they would look into it. So I am stuck and may have to buy another one. It wont be a Honda.
Now! We all need these in Texas!
That was an excellent video. Detailed, concise, useful, well-produced. Thank you.
I have 2 of the older ones, the oil alerts fail also so you can disconnect them. They fail and they won't start. Dealer told me they get dirty and it was not worth the price to replace. I used one daily for 10 yrs. 1 tank living off grid. These are great gens
I have EU20i , and bought it unused in June 2003. Some years ago it had problems in winter time when it was colder, like -5 deg Celsius. It is the oil alert! The solution was to keep it inside my warm cabin when it is not in use. It will start easy and no problems in running. The oil was too cold causing the oil alert to fail. The next trick is to top oil more than advised, so slightly more than 0.4 liter. Then it works. Many have here in Finland the same problem with EU20i, both older and newer units. I have used my EU20i "only" 9200 hours during 17 years (about 8 to 10 months/year). I'm saving petrol and using mostly only two times 1.1 gal / week, (2 x 4,1 liter).
Your oil alert issue sounds me more serious. What I'm talking must be some kind of design error in the engine.
Once you unplugged the sensor, you didn't let it run long enough. It will shut itself off in 12-15 minutes when the sensor is disconnected.
Spoke to an online dealer 2 weeks ago about this new CO-Minder version and after raising my concerns about such a contraption he said that he has spoken to many people about it and most say they want to buy the older version (without the CO-Minder) so I went ahead and pulled the trigger and ordered 2 of them before they are no longer available. They arrived a few days ago and I didn't trust the box, but yes, after removing each from the box, they were both the older version with NO CO-MINDER. As far as I'm concerned it was a cheap re-work of the panel circuit board. Honda did not have to do any redesign beyond pulling out the 12volt and plopping in a bluetooth module and a sensor module with the Bluetooth App providing the bells and whistles. Honda's MSRP being $60 higher for the newer version seems unjustified since they actually removed a feature too. That square area on the panel where the CO-Minder is located would be a great spot for an analog (or digital) ammeter once you are out of warranty... Honda: Spend an extra $3 and put a 30amp breaker on the L5-30 receptacle on the Companion model which you charge $110 more for. And while you are at it, throw in a quality gas cap that has a fuel guage in it. BTW: Who in the world want's to turn off a portable generator remotely? Honda has made great products but the direction this product line has taken with this stuff is not quality or practical use or reliability driven, it is pure fluff. I'll be waiting for the reports to come in of Bad-Minders and Bad-Tooths roaming about killing the reputation of reliable Hondas.
Time will tell about this model but the remote off feature is helpful depending what you are doing. I run pumps remotely with this and have to use a longer cord due to how its setup and being 50' away from the generator to stop the generator is helpful at times. Others may use this in and RV/Boat to keep heat going at night and want to stop it in the AM, just saves them a trip outside. Not saying you can't do it another way but many people want remote control and tracking hours used and wattage is definitely useful. I agree about the price and think thats a crappy move since they did remove the 12v feature too.
It’s so called “designed to fail”, like most companies do nowadays!
@@jrm163 - Exactly - Try getting a genuine carb for earlier model eu2000i - Sure you can get the cheap ripoffs on ebay easy... But a real honda one with honda part #... you will pay a lot... let's see how "available" this co-minder part is in 5 years ... presumably when they will start going bad. And that bluetooth module too - can that be unplugged and will the generator still run without it?
@@jrm163 The big issue is why you want a generator in the first place... you want it to run... So why should a new buyer have to worry about the "I won't run feature" in the first place and then have to either roll the dice that the 'feature' will not bite you at the worst possible time (unless you run them for fun and like burning gas) or have to dismantle the panel and go plug-pulling on a brand new product... The whole idea is rotten from the start.
Thanks so much! I'm gonna try something! If you get an idea.. let me know.. I'll give it a shot. I'm already reading a few people that have issues running this new 2200 in confined spaces - you'd be helping loads of us soon!
Thanks again
Sean
Great review mate. Subscribed 👍🏻
I have this model..bought in Michigan during a business cross last year. Canada doesn't have the BT model..and as such a bit tricky to download the app for my phone in Canada.
I LOVE IT..worth every penny!
I truly hope these companies compensate you for your reviews (I don't want an answer, just saying) because all of your reviews are top notch. I've purchased many items due to your videos.
I appreciate that and I have no problem sharing that I have no connection to Honda, paid full price for the generator and the only money I could make, is a small commission if people use my links to buy one. I really just love power equipment so these videos are fun for me to make.
@@SilverCymbal I had the same question and assumed it was probably a sponsored review. If you don't have any connection with Honda, how were you able to get your viewers a discount? Thanks for the video!
@@noyopacific Its not special for me its just a great deal that I used for myself and others can too through Amazon. I have no problem telling you I work with a company or sharing I got something for free.This was not the case. If you have any doubts at all, believe me Honda would never have allowed me to take the CO system apart! I would like @honda to send me one of their robot mowers though! That I would like to test.
@samlol23 If the company compensates them, then he cant give his honest opinion. Is that what you really want?
@@PremiumFuelOnly of course thats not what I want. I can usually tell when items are provided for no cost for a review.
My point was merely he does very good reviews and rarely bashes items. I would suppose it would be better not to do the review than do a bad one, so the ones we would see are the products that perform well.
Really good review... The only thing you 'really' should have done though aside from the CO detection, was or would to have actually checked the running voltage with a volt meter at each socket. This would properly indicate the root need of the 'inverter' portion is producing proper voltage where a number of generators normally fail at overcharging once the speed of it is increased. Otherwise, good job.
Silver Cymbal: You are going to get more views of this video than there are Honda eu2000i/eu2200i generator owners!
I think there are way more owners out there, Honda sells more of these than you would believe
One of the best vids I’ve ever watched on YT, well done my friend!
This video is now in the Honda R&D to design the non-start function if the sensor is unplugged!! Good review! I've had the old one for 3 years, used it almost everyday! Great unit.
And it will get worse. At some point the only way future models will start is once they "phone home" and make sure that you (the owner) are not on the no-gen-allowed list and that you have certified your identity via the "app" and that you correctly answer the 20 questions and you meet Honda's/Government Authorities permissible use of the generator... (for example: powering to allow your home heating system might not qualify, but keeping your Smart TV and Smart Phone and other 24/7 monitoring devices would be allowed) and also certify that you hold Honda in no way responsible for anything and then your generator will run for only X hours as determined by Honda and Government.
@@bossu2005 Woudnt that be good if someone stole it? Use the phone as a "Key"?
why removed 12v output? It’s very useful for charging a dead auto battery!
Cool, but sounds like more things that can go wrong.
I dont know why people would want bluetooth on a generator or on tools etc.
I'm sure the bluetooth has a kill switch on the generator that can be activated by the authorities on demand... That is after it has announced itself saying "Here I am - Kill me"
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@@bossu2005 that's very unlikely. Maybe if it had a cellular connection it could make sense, but why would any government want to shut down a generator?
@@LouisSubearth The same reason a government would cut your utility power and water supply.
amazing video specially the co alarm testing you did , i love this video, i like to buy a product and feel i own it and don't want to deal with manufacture or dealer for any fixing or maintenance. Almost everything now days feels like Netflix you have to pay monthly or yearly. again amazing video
I purchased a Honda eu2000i in Dec 2003 for $895 + tax. We used it for RV boon-docking, camping, and use on our boats. I changed the oil religiously and cleaned the air filter element as specified in the owners manual. It crapped out last winter with over 11,500 hrs of use. (Still had the original spark plug in it). It didn't burn any oil it's entire life, and would run about 10 hours on a gal of gas (on ECO mode). Not counting the gas and oil, I figure it cost us about 8 cents per hour of use.
It just quit running one day, and the engine has no compression. It probably burnt a valve, and for for the cost of rebuilding the engine, I figured I would do better just buying a new one, so that is what I did. I'm probably good for life now!
Hopefully the new version doesn’t have an endless stream of recalls like the last EU2200i. I still need to get the 2nd recall fixed, but am not super enthusiastic about leaving my generator with a repair center for weeks.
I've still got to do the 2nd recall too.
Moonshine Buck they should be on Honda site. First was leaking fuel line, causing fire. Second is inverter shorting out due to moisture. Not insignificant.
Do the recall fix yourself.It only takes a few minutes to do.You need to swap out the two rubber spacers on top of the inverter unit,and replace it with a single rubber spacer that covers the entire top of the inverter.Then cover the large connector with newly added new rubber boot.Use honda non conductive electrical grease on inside of the connector.This keeps the water out of the inverter.
Another thing about that CO-Minder... When I need to run my 2 eu2000i's (in parallel), I roll both out on a wire frame shelf utility cart. For bad weather purposes I have a tarp that I secure at the top shelf of the cart and it covers both generators to just above the exhaust and on the other end (where the panel is) I have it cover most of that end but I can easily move that end aside to put more gas in etc. There is tons of air flow along the entire bottom and the bottom half of the exhaust end. I wonder how sensitive such a setup would be with a eu2200i with co-minder? Would it shut it off because it detected enough CO? The last thing you want is some 'feature' fighting you...
This is a great point! And Honda did some kind of sneaky things to tell you this might be a problem. They have a small sticker above the exhaust telling you that it is the exhaust...Pretty obvious. But the manual does cover this and includes pictures warning you to be carful of placing it in too tight of an area for fear it might trip the sensor. The short answer is that it could be a problem. I actually like the sensor because many people do dumb things and run these in basements, garage with the door cracked and these can end in disaster. Your situation is a great example of someone doing something that is totally fine, that could affected by the CO Minder.
@@SilverCymbal LOL. Those kind of people simply should be naturally selected.
Quite possibly the greatest review video known
First, when you shut off the 2200i remotely, the gas cap vent remains open and the gas feed valve connected to the On/Off switch remains open, so shutting the genset off remotely, the carburetor can easily flood out and even overflow because the fuel is fed by gravity.
Second, Honda has not addressed the major longevity issue/repair expense for the 2200i; the belt driven overhead valve train. At one point, Honda used to build their engines with an iron sleeve inserted in an aluminum alloy block, which extended the life of their engines many multiples of times the life of an aluminum alloy bore and that made Honda gensets worth the extra money, however I cannot confirm that is still the case. For the (as of this moment) $2400 price tag for the non-California model, the bang isn't worth the buck to me.
Just to clarify, the vented fuel cap isn't what allows fuel to flow. Inside the carburetor is a needle valve connected to a spring and float, this regulates fuel flowing. Could leave the fuel cap off forever fuel will not flow if the needle valve works correctly. The vent can stop fuel flow by creating a vacuum but it isn't design to stop the flow of fuel. I agree with you that quality has changed on Honda products, 3 recalls in the past 5 years isn't good and disappointing since prices are still high. Only time will tell is they really last now but they are riding on their old reputation for the moment.
I named my generator.......gus
Great review and intro to the product!
Thanks so much! I was so excited to get one of these, You can probably guess this was NOT a sponsored review. Honda would never have sanctioned me doing all this but someone needs to answer the question about the CO system.
iv'e had my honda generator for over 30 years now never had a problem
How long it runs on a full tank ?