From my experience - BUY THE HONDA. Bought the Yamaha 2200 over my first choice, the Honda. Mainly because my buddy has had the 2000 model Yamaha for fourteen years and it purred like a kitten. Ended up getting rid of the Yamaha 2200. It was much bigger, heavier, and would never run right. It would constantly miss combustion and foul the plug with in hours. I took it back under the warranty to have them fix the carburation issue, and after the Yamaha dealer having it for almost 2 weeks, they didn't change a thing. The way it ran drove me nuts. I'm into gas powered RC planes, so the way it was running was just wrong and annoying. Sold it back to them at a loss (to keep my sanity) and bought the Honda EU 2200i. The only thing going for the Yamaha was the fuel gauge. Love the size and weight of the Honda. Also, the Bluetooth runtime/real time information is great. Don't miss the fuel gauge at all. Should have went with my first instinct (I own 2 Honda vehicles and motorcycle) and bought the Honda.
The Yamaha 2kw inverter generators have always had the fuel gauge. It’s not new and it has been a differential improvement over the Honda’s for years. The fuel gauge and the fuel shutoff were key factors in me buying the original Yamaha is2000 5 years ago. After 3,000 hours (give or take), it’s still running perfectly.
Yamaha makes a great generator, can't deny that. But I think you overemphasize the importance of a little gas gauge. Hondas have never had them, because they haven't been needed. A lot of people that run the Hondas with any amount of use, have one of the extended run tanks that does have a fuel gauge. I can run nonstop, refilling the extended run tank without the need to even shut the generator down.
Does the 2000 Yamahas have any way to tell how many hours they have? I think the Hondas have a light flash sequence that tells you. I'm wondering if this is the case for the Yamaha.
I’ve got (2) of the Honda EU 2000 and there is know telling how many hours between them. When they quit I’ll go right back to the 2200 EU .....they are easy to change oil, spark plug and clean the air filter. This video just shows the difference and how much better the Honda is.
I agree I love those features, I wish it was a pinch smaller but the other features do make up for it. The little light is cool to but ya know it’s just a light lol. How many hours you think?
Too late but for anyone else, the Honda eu2200i companion has the direct 30A plug. The Honda is the boss, but Yamaha is a good machine if idle db isn't a huge issue and the app isn't a deal breaker.
At the same price, the Honda of course. The Yamaha has a few nice features but the most output and the smallest form factor is a winner. If you need more fuel you can always do the extended run kit. I wonder if you can get the Honda companion generator with the 30 amp plug directly. It’s also a huge bonus that Honda is the industry standard that others copy. There will always be parts, after market improvements, etc.
More fuel efficient with a smaller engine... might wanna check that, a smaller engine will have to work harder for a given load, which means LOUDER and running faster RPMs. I'd take the Honda every time. (edited for clarity)
Honda makes great engines and so does Yamaha. For me, the larger 120cc displacement of the Honda engine and the lower tone that it makes is why I chose it over a myriad of 80cc generators out there. I’m really interested in the new EU3200 because it’s about the same size as that Yamaha and produces the same power as their large EU3000. It’s like a EU2200 on steroids.
Exactly the larger engine allows lower rpm’s for the whole range but it actually burns just a little more fuel then the Yamaha overall. But yea the newer 3200 is something I would like but hard to justify the cost right now. But yea the eu2200 is a beast but wish it was a 2500 which it easily could have been.
@@Asidebar I agree is probably is, but you could by two Honda EU 2000I's and parallel them for the same or less money and have 1200 watts more power, as well as redundancy in the event of a break down.
Thanks for your review. I bought the Yamaha cause I got a great deal here in a very expensive country called New Zealand.. more than impressed with it, and I can use my 1800w electric fly-mo motor mower. Powers up everything I chuck at it Nothing against Honda just it s a lot more expensive here.
I liked the Yamaha and most people that have them don’t really have much complaints. Like I said in the video I wish it was a pinch smaller though. But yea you are in a expensive area lol. And you’re welcome and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
As a 13 year old I always was interested in electronics and I still am to this day and I spend hours after school doing research on products like this you help me out a lot ever since I was at the age of five or six I was doing snap circuits and my dad was a big part of that too
Wow cool!! I’m glad you found the channel and stopped by. Learning starts at the beginning and never ends. Expand into anything and everything you can and most times you’ll be able to fix and do most things yourself. Sometimes you’ll find paying someone is also worth it 😂👍🏼 Thanks for watching 😀👍🏼👊🏼
Technically the Honda always had the fuel shutoff feature, they just didn't put it on the outside label. You can do the same thing with the older models and let the thing run a few minutes until the carb runs out fuel.
I bought one honda 2200i and was so impressed I bought a second. For emergencies and all the "100 year storms" in the last 5 years I was floored how much they help. One let me run a fridge, freezer, and all lights and fans in my house. I bought the second to run my furnace and or a window ac unit depending on what time of year the next problem. The Yamahas would do the same I'm sure.
Well I know the box and side panel on the Yamaha say made in China. There is the Yamaha stamp on the engine. I did not verify if they are manufactured there. The Honda says Thailand. I could verify the Honda and double check to see where it actually came from
I found the Honda is American Honda co. Thailand is where it was manufactured. So still a real Honda. Will see if the newest is made in one of the locations or now China. 🤷♂️
My Briggs and Stratton 2200 inverter generator was purchased for $600. Powers my AC unit on my RV. I've ran the hell out of it. Works great. Probably not as quiet but that's minimal. Overall is rock solid. No need to pay double.
I use a predator 2000. More efficient than the Honda. We’ll see if it lasts like one, but powers my camping needs and is pretty quiet. Have a few hundred hours on it so far
These are the best generator reviews I’ve ever seen. Very honest reviews. Yamaha and Honda are two trusted brands for me hard to choose between them lol
Both of those units are good and have there own benefits. So yea tough choice. I have the Yamaha to a friend he loves it. I still have the honda Oh and thanks 😀👍🏼
I have Yamaha products ( outboard and SxS) and they are fine machines. I have (2) Honda 2000EU’s and they are wonderful and have been used extensively. I’ll go right back to the 2200EU not only because of the fuel efficiency and durability but also the size, weight and dB difference...JMO
Living off grid in Alaska for over 20 years now and i have had several honda 2000's and Yamaha 2000's as well. Both are true workhorses. They last about 4 years each doing lots of hard charging(estimate 5000-7000 hours) in very cold to sub zero weather. Currently I just bought the new honda 2200 and I have a 4 year old yamaha 2000 as well. Although i really like the gas gauge in the yamaha as i often overfill the honda I just did not like the new form and extra weight of the 2200. The honda i just bought is very nice, runs like a charm, quiet, and has that extra power now. For me yamaha made a big mistake adding extra weight and size in the redesign. Too bad because I have nothing but praise for their genny's over the years. BTW i think the new honda companion 2200 has a 30 amp outlet for $100 extra and still the same compact unit. Can't go wrong with a honda either. The warranty is 3 years on both units and even in Alaska i have never had a problem getting service under the warranty. With how hard i run them they typically need some kind of service at the 2-2 1/2 year mark just before the warranty expires and that helps me get another year or two out of them If you are someone who just wants to occasional use a generator for maybe a couple hundred hours a year you should get one of these they are well worth the expense as you can easily get 10-20 years out of one of them with proper maintenance.
Wow David awesome, great info. And I like the consistency you are getting out of the units. This means you are using them right and doing service like you should. When they are running, are you pretty consistent in the load? And if so where are you? About 30% 50% 80%..? Thanks again 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I have solar panels and deep cycle batterries. The panels are basically worthless in winter so thats when the generators can log 10-14 hours a day charging and running things. Many years ago I used to run at about 80% capacity, then i started using the parallel cables so two generators split the load but i found the most economical way for me to charge is to drop down to about 50% capacity with only one generator charging. I think 50% or less load is the sweet spot for long life. The unit does not have to work hard this way to get the job done.
@@patrickobrien8113 I'm off grid but not truly remote. I have been working construction up here for 22years. Sometimes i work in remote places like Shemya. Bethel, and Dutch Harbor. If you want to go remote like fly in only or 10 miles up a river it can be done up here. in that case you need to either be fully self sufficient at living off the land. rich enough to be able to do supply runs every several months without holding down a job or work construction on and off. The wages are good and lots of overtime so you can earn 50K or more in 6 months and once monied up go live out in the woods until you are broke. A lot of people living way out there do with less than me and make it. It depends on how you want to live and how resourceful and creative you are.
This seems like an easier decision. There are aftermarket gas caps for the Honda that lets you connect it to an auxiliary fuel tank if that's a concern. I bet you could find an aftermarket fuel cap with a gauge in it. The Honda is so popular that a lot of things are available for them. Having said that my 7200 for the house is a Yamaha. FYI if you buy a generator for the house the power will never go off again. I've had mine about eight years with never a long outage.
Great comparison video. Surprisingly the only CZcams video I can find actually comparing these two latest flagship generators. I'd take the Honda over the Yamaha, but I've already settled for one of the sub $400 Yamaha clones that seem to run quieter anyway. Cheers!
Thank you. I think I would also take the Honda as well. And the clone ones honestly are not bad. They run along time if cared for and not abused. Thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
I would love to see two Honda Eu 2200I's (comp model and regular model) vs two Yamaha EF2200i's paralleled for head to head comparison. max load test, fuel efficiency under 1/2 load and max load, noise comparisons etc.
The Yamaha use's a steel cylinder sleeve, Honda recommends an extensive combustion chamber cleaning after only 300 hours of use, whereas the Yamaha only needs its head cleaned after 300 hours of use or once per year. That being said, they are both capable units and ether one is a good choice.
If you run it at relatively low idles all the time a head cleaning may be necessary. But if it still starts great and runs great, sometimes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Been a Honda CBR600RR and CBR1000RR owner, never failed. Never owned a Honda Civic, but been told and seen proof that the engine will last longer than the vehicle itself. No brainer Honda purchased. "Edit" Credit to this video for doing an outstanding job. Well spoken.
Great video, the Honda handles more load is quieter, more compact, and weighs 10lbs less. Note: Honda needs to put an TT30R plug, hour meter, and fuel gauge on their generators.
@@johnnysweekends I actually need a EU 7000i ES, I want the ability to use it for Home backup, and I use all the stuff in my trailer and most of it at the same time so I don't want to run my generator(s) at max it's louder and harder on them, I would rather be way over sized even though the damn thing weighs a ton and cost a fortune. My nephew will likely parallel two Honda EU2200i's for his trailer.
Exactly. People buy a Honda 2200 to run a AC unit and find that at elevation and high temps they are pushing over 1700watts which is almost max rated. And sometimes depending it won’t start then or maintain because they get hot and go to shut off. That 30-70 range is for a reason. Much like you don’t want to buy a big gen and only use 700-1200 watts all the time. Then your waisting fuel and also doing a lot of carbon build up because it never creates enough heat. Have to work then once in a while
Nice video. correct me if i am wrong. the honda is timing belt driven which is why it is quiter but my concern is the life of the timing belts. i saw one video in youtube that the generator was only 4 to 6 years old and it was all cracked. and the Yamaha is using pushrods which tends to be noisier but probably more durable. Again im no mechanic, i just observed this things as i have been researching for the better option for me to buy. again im no expert. 😄
You are correct. Honda is a timing belt which most are all push rod in these small generators which is one reason they are a little louder. It’s a tough choice. And this is me being honest, if I wasn’t doing these reviews on generators and using the Honda as a example, I would end up buying another item and saving my money. I am mechanically inclined so I can fix a lot of stuff. And honestly the little generator I did a review on a while back is such a perfect size that has a Rv plug and will run my ac and just a pinch bigger then the 2200 but alot more power, it just makes sense. Because I can buy almost two for that price of the Honda. Sure everyone says Hondas last forever. Well I honestly think it’s the older model. I see lots of issues with the Hondas on forums and web pages just like any other generator. Especially if it’s neglected or abused.
@@johnnysweekends Hi John ,Tom here from Australia. In this comment you mentioned that you did a review on another generator that you preferred over the Yami and the Honda ,what brand would that one be please. Appreciated the comparisons
I like the new Genmax 3500 fuel fuel or Maxpeeding rods 3500. The Genmax company makes both. Great size, lots of power. So far pretty decent reviews with minimal problems. But both are less then a year old so will see how it does once I get more hours and other people as well. I always advise to buy a warranty if they can through where ever they buy it.
The "Rating" indicates the point at which the sine wave and power factor beings to vary. Running heaters and lights old style lights may not be affected by this. But computer equipment and LED lighting & TVs can be easily damaged.
Bought a Honda eu2000i years back. Just bought a eu2200i to parallel with it. Years ago, had strongly considered the old Yamaha 2K (went with Honda due to local availability), but the new one is just too big for what it offers. Don't get why it's bigger...
Exactly not sure why they made it so big and 10 pounds heavier. I have a Maxpeedingrods generator that is 3200 watts and 23.3 amps that is slightly bigger then the Honda. And I mean slightly and has a 145cc engine. Which runs my ac unit with plenty of room to spare. Sure it’s not a Honda but what a great power size and over all unit. Will see how long it lasts. But yea I would still buy the Honda overall.
My friend has the 3200 and he uses it regularly for baseball practice or power outages so he has about 150 maybe. He loves it and his friends ask where he got it. I have the 3500 and use it here and there but it’s honestly the same as the Genmax 3500. Same engine. Camping Alan whos on here a lot still has his and loves it. So far so good but he doesn’t have a lot of hours yet. It’s thought to beat for the price and does well.
I would like to see that Westinghouse I-2500 against something. More wattage half the price you could buy a hundred gallon fuel tank and fill it up. for about 1100 bucks
Normally the Honda but honestly there are a decent amount of Yamaha fans. And honestly I don’t get a lot of feed back that’s bad about the Yamaha. That mz-80 engine is also pretty bullet proof. And the Yamaha guys state the Honda has a belt that can break which I think is rare but could happen. And Honda guys claim the bigger cc engine doesn’t have to work hard so it lasts longer. I think honestly they are good buys. If you want more over all power the Honda edges the Yamaha out. But the new boost mode is kinda cool. But if you want fuel efficiency the Yamaha wins.
Having smaller displacement, the Yamaha has to spin faster to produce like power. The Honda, having more displacement, has the advantage of greater torque which produces like/more horsepower at lower rpm. Around a campground, that lower sound level is a real plus... just carry extra gas.
I have the smaller unit which powered my boiler for the 10 hrs the hydro company took to change the broken pole. I’d like electric start on my small Yamaha. Maybe add a generator to the snowblower setup!
For your viewers information. These are floating neutral generators. If you connect it to your RV at either 15 or 30 amps, you should insert a neutral-ground bonding plug. Shore power and factory installed gens have the bonding. If you do not do this, and use it on an RV, if a hot or neutral touch anything metal inside the RV, that metal becomes energized with 120 volts. If in the wrong place and you have an aluminum sided RV, the whole rv could be at 120 volts. Without the bond, there is no path to make the generator breaker trip or die from overload. Always be safe, the life you save may just be your own. Respectfully, Kevin
Good info Kevin. But many times the generators will trip when overloaded, which they do with every test. But my rv doesn’t have any wire issues. As I know of. Now true the bonding plug has really become over the last several years a item you should use regularly when using a portable generator. Which now after talking with more people and others asking I will start to recommend then as something they can buy or make really easy and just keep it with your generator for safe practice. Now it seems even more important as a lot of new RVs have EMS systems on board and with out the plug it may cause the ems to find a fault and now actually power up the RV. So now it’s even more important to use one. People still ask as well if they should ground a generator which I think is still a no go as the generator will use the trailer ground. Verses out side it becomes a new shock hazard especially if someone comes along who doesn’t know like a kid and grabs it and just happens to be at the wrong time. But agree it’s probably time to start advising to use them as regular practice even though people haven’t used them for decades while RVing. But another level of safety and these newer units it’s basically why not use them. Thanks for the comment.
I just recently bought the yamaha ef2200is, I don't like the fact that the honda uses a belt inside the engine to drive the camshaft and is exposed to oil
I downsized from a Yamaha EF3000is to the Yamaha EF2200is. The 3000 was extremely quiet, but too big and heavy. I'm now going to sell my Yamaha EF2200is and buy the Honda. I didn't think the noise difference would be that much, but I was wrong. I recently camped with in-laws who have the Honda, and the noise difference was ridiculous. The Honda was hardly noticeable. I can't stand how loud the Yamaha is. Part of the problem is the pitch is higher, which makes it sound even louder than what it shows on a decibel meter. Really love the features of the Yamaha over the Honda, like the RV plug, DC plug and the larger gas tank, but the noise is a deal breaker for me.
Hondas voltage sag was much less. Plus the hondas fuel pump allows you to run the extended run fuel cap. Just hook a 6 gallon boat tank and your good to go. Also the honda is quieter.
The fuel pump is handy. I have a six gallon external fuel tank and can run around 80 hours nonstop. It also allows one to refuel without needing to shut down the generator, seeing how it is separate from the unit. Just open the tank and refill while running. It also has its own fuel level gauge which negates the lack of fuel gauge on the generator.
I have owned 4 Honda inverter generators. Absolutely love them. However, due to supply issues, I have waited months for delivery of one more with zero success. Don't know what is going on with Honda, but clearly they do not have their "stuff" together. I will buy Yamaha simply because they are available. Very disappointed with Honda. I have owned one Yamaha generator before and it lasted years also.
I'm just thinking the smaller Yamaha motor is going to be revving more to keep up under load compared to the significantly larger Honda engine. Both are great generators though, but the smaller motor, 10 pound heavier weight, and bulkiness of the Yamaha would make me want to go to the Honda instead. But if you want a longer run time between fill-ups, then the Yamaha wins that hands down.
7:29 dropping to 85v when load applied could damage some things. 11:16 60v definitely does! wow any recommendations for an inverter generator that wont blow slowly kill your AC to dc transformers?
Isn’t it odd the two main brand units don’t shut off sooner. Champion I like the genmax brand as well and all the other brands shut off much sooner like it should. I find it odd Honda and Yamaha will let you sneak up with a slow load and let the voltage drop like that.
Great video, I don’t yet own one but Honda will probably get my vote….adapter is concerning….Yukko…..does Honda make a dual fuel in the 2200 size? Or are they only gas? Also is it a pure sine wave inverter. Thanks for tip on generator bible, that was worth the watch!
Honda does not make a dual fuel in this size or really any size that I know of. If you are worried about the adapter you can look into the companion model which has a built in L5-30r twist lock plug. But if you need it for a Rv you’ll still need a adapter. All inverter generators are pure sine wave. Even a lot of open frames are. You can buy kits to convert to dual fuel for any of the Hondas for the most part. But yea would be nice if they had the option. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
If you have the carb drain open, and rotate the switch to "on", can you just dump the entire fuel tank in one easy shot? objectively, I think the honda is a better generator. On the other hand, the yamaha has some nice quality of life improvements and I could not find a honda 2200i companion anywhere. So I own a yamahopper
I believe you can because when the float is down it will continue to try and fill the bowl but since the drain is open from the bottom is should continue to drain. Unlike the Honda it’s different. I never did it but after looking at it and opening it a couple times that’s the conclusion I came to. But again never did it.
We ran Honda's from time to time at a job I worked and I was amazed how much those little generators could run. My brother in law wants to go in with me and buy an inverter dual gas propane off brand from Costco. I'd rather buy a Honda or Yamaha for parts service and their reliability reputation.
Been a while since I did this video. There are sometimes some inaccuracies in the meters but even a 15 amp breaker can hold over 15 amps for a short duration by an amp or two.
Considering the last two Formula One world championships were won by cars with Honda engines, and Repsol Honda MotoGP motorcycles won countless world championships (and so has Yamaha to do it justice), I believe I'd pick the Honda generator...
Yes!!!!! So a larger unit will idle down to a lower rpm because 2000 watts would only be about half of its load capacity depending on unit. But you also dealing with a larger unit. If you need a generator and plan to use it at 80% load and more all the time then a next larger size up may be a good option.
I got burned once on an old EF2000is. Inverter board was just plain fried. Maybe I just got a bad one, but it's one too many considering how expensive they are. I stick with Honda now.
I would love to have a shiny red honda but they are so rediculously priced and wont even provide a bottle of oil, for the price they should have oil, tools, a t shirt and hat and a 10 year warranty included!
They are not overpriced at $1000.00. When your $600.00 Wen melts down it's capacitors 15 hours into your camping trip you won't really care they included a bottle of oil with it in the box. What kind of man doesn't have motor oil at his house anyway? The kind of man who thinks either of these generators is overpriced. That's who.
@@jeffwhite3021 i got plenty of oil in my garage, i can probably do more than most guys can do mechanically, my point is that you pay a premium price, the cheap ass company could atleast provide a little bottle of oil for convenience for people who don’t have oil. I have a generac not a wen, if you notice most houses have generac generators for their whole house, I have not seen any honda whole house generators, probably because it would cost more for the generator than the house, most people have financial sense, obviously money isn’t an issue for you.
@@johnnysweekends I started with a gp2200i and i sold it be because i got a gp3300i and it starts so easily and is quieter than the 2200. I like honda but I think i would only get one if they were on sale for 900 or less but I don’t think I will get a deal like that with the current supply chain problem.
Yes correct, the Hondas I don’t think will have sales anymore and even if they do they will drop to the old $1050 price verses the $1150 now. The generac models are not bad units as well. I believe that was a dacar unit out of China but been a while since I reviewed that one. Same as the power rush but a different company from China makes that one. Could be Ding Kong but they are all out of Chongchin China. All the factories seem to share the same nuts and bolts. Sad but unfortunately the world we live in.
That depends more on you and how big the house is. Do you want to run everything in the house or just the essential items to get by when the power comes back. I mean it could be $4000 to $20,000 🤷♂️
The Yamaha EF2200is is not avaliable in the UK and doesnt appear to be avaliable for import either... shame really cos it has a lot of real useful tooless design
You can normally parallel other generators together. And most times do not have issues. Yamaha and Honda like to be pretty specific on there items so have no idea unless I did a extensive test checking the output over a few types of loads to make sure the power stays clean. I would rather connect a couple off brands then a Honda and Yamaha .
Hello there, I just came across your channel and lots of knowledge. I think it’s going to make me decide witch one I will buy. Can you please provide a link for your digital output reader you made, that’s awesome.
The honda has a timing belt AND a plastic cam gear and camshaft. Case closed for me. And that is coming form a Honda lover here. I'll pick up the Yamaha
Yea there are people who definitely do not like the timing belt. Some like the push rods on the Yamaha. But that little mz-80 is the most widely used small generator engine. It’s every where lol.
@@johnnysweekends the timing belt would be OK as I would service every decade no problem. But the plastic cam gear in the Honda does get worn down, it just has a lot of tolerance built in so people don't notice. I did like its performance new, and the sound better from your tests though. But fortunately for Yamaha, I'll go with them for this one as I buy these kinds of things for a lifetime (hopefully). Can't beat the honda snowblowers though!
Depends how much power you are going to draw consistently. That will determine more of what size you need then you can look at those sizes and prices to see what’s in the budget
RV AC’s draw more power at high elevations (which we tend to camp at) and gas engines typically put out less power at higher elevations… I’d love to see this test again at 3000 - 4000’ elevation to see which can overcome the challenges
I have done this test before with two verses one large generator. And yes more heat and add elevation that just toughens the task. About 3% ish loss per 1000ft. I will be doing this test but in later summer. I need the roads to open which are covered in snow lol
The AC will be the same but heat adds resistance which makes the draw on the generator more. So the demand goes up for the generator. And with less air that means less power. So both models will suffer.
Although I won’t be doing the test on these models it will be on the newer ones. The Honda eu2200 can barely start a 15k ac unit at 5500ft on a hot day. With a soft start yes but you are running darn near max load and it’s not enough.
Look for a used Honda first, one made in japan if you want the tool that built the Honda reputation. You’ll think its too much to pay for a used generator but you’ll be glad you did.
Coming from someone who grew up in Florida the real test is how a generator does 8 days in with no power for the third time in 12 years. When you have zero chance of getting a new one or replacment parts. When everyone is pissed off no power no food no ac hardly any gas stations have fuel and the ones that do are like hunger games for a gallon. You pull that cord and the engine does not start or the genset sends no power its a WHOLE different game then....All my money has gone on the Hondas everthing else is like a dirty needle in an ebola camp.
The Hondas are tough to beat and are way to work on, but I have not heard anything bad a about the new Yamaha at all. So hopefully both last. Thanks for the feed back.. and thanks for watching😀👍🏼
Thank you. I made it a couple years ago. Here is the diy video Volts Amps Watts Meter RV Generator Load Meter Build czcams.com/video/k_KuVj0XsE8/video.html But some company actually made it now. Although no royalties lol…amzn.to/3zi8FoA
I wonder why Yamaha on a 2200 Makes a 30 amp plug but Honda does not put one on theirs. And do you recommend having to smaller generators and then link them together for more power when you need it or do you recommend having one big one and if so what brand do you prefer
They are both good options… may depend more of what you need. Having two has a lot of benefits.. One breaks.. one runs Less fuel used over all Lighter and easier to store Normally more power over all Perform better at elevation with two Cons are more refills Service on two units Typically no auto start on small units. If you plan to move the generators and take them with you to places like camping Rv and more two small units are nice If just at home for back up then a bigger one with a large fuel tank is kinda ideal.
Well depends how many watts you need but for a 120v gen I did really like the 4650 champion unit. The 4500 is pretty much the same. The Genmax or Maxpeedingrods 3300 sure is a nice compact unit but so is the Genmax dual fuel 3500 with remote start. That’s a nice compact unit which I’ll get one soon for testing . Two small ones..? Well considering so many are made from the same people and they all have the same 80cc engine it depends more of what you want on options. Like the AIpower 2000 watt model can be paralleled with out a box and just plugging into one generator. Which is nice. And both units have been reliable from people that still have them. They sure don’t get a lot of popularity but I think for the price of the units they do well. Or a couple champion 2500 dual fuel units is kinda something I was would consider. It’s hard on the small units. So many. Also pretty tough to beat the little honda 2200s just because so quiet and extended fuel tanks are easy.
@@johnnysweekends I just need enough wattage to power a 13,000 Ac in a normal household microwave that’s in our travel trailer I do love the idea of two small generators because I have to pick it up by myself and I’m a huge fan of Honda but they are pricey and again thank you for all the advice Love the reviews keep them coming
@@johnnysweekends I just wish Honda would step up in the 4500 category because 3000 it’s barely enough to run the AC and the microwave and I’m not running them all at the same time but it’s nice to have a generator they can do it if you have to
I ended up buying the Honda 2200i over the Yamaha because the size and sound levels were the main factors for my decision.
Perfectly good reasons. Thanks for the feed back 👍🏼😀
From my experience - BUY THE HONDA.
Bought the Yamaha 2200 over my first choice, the Honda. Mainly because my buddy has had the 2000 model Yamaha for fourteen years and it purred like a kitten. Ended up getting rid of the Yamaha 2200. It was much bigger, heavier, and would never run right. It would constantly miss combustion and foul the plug with in hours. I took it back under the warranty to have them fix the carburation issue, and after the Yamaha dealer having it for almost 2 weeks, they didn't change a thing. The way it ran drove me nuts. I'm into gas powered RC planes, so the way it was running was just wrong and annoying. Sold it back to them at a loss (to keep my sanity) and bought the Honda EU 2200i. The only thing going for the Yamaha was the fuel gauge. Love the size and weight of the Honda. Also, the Bluetooth runtime/real time information is great. Don't miss the fuel gauge at all. Should have went with my first instinct (I own 2 Honda vehicles and motorcycle) and bought the Honda.
The Yamaha 2kw inverter generators have always had the fuel gauge. It’s not new and it has been a differential improvement over the Honda’s for years. The fuel gauge and the fuel shutoff were key factors in me buying the original Yamaha is2000 5 years ago. After 3,000 hours (give or take), it’s still running perfectly.
Yamaha makes a great generator, can't deny that. But I think you overemphasize the importance of a little gas gauge. Hondas have never had them, because they haven't been needed. A lot of people that run the Hondas with any amount of use, have one of the extended run tanks that does have a fuel gauge. I can run nonstop, refilling the extended run tank without the need to even shut the generator down.
True! You almost need it with the .95 gallon fuel tank.
Does the 2000 Yamahas have any way to tell how many hours they have? I think the Hondas have a light flash sequence that tells you. I'm wondering if this is the case for the Yamaha.
Unfortunately none that I have seen
@@johnnysweekends I didn't think so. Thank you
I’ve got (2) of the Honda EU 2000 and there is know telling how many hours between them. When they quit I’ll go right back to the 2200 EU .....they are easy to change oil, spark plug and clean the air filter. This video just shows the difference and how much better the Honda is.
I have the yamaha and love it. It powers my rv ac with a micro air easy start. We got it because of the larger gas tank and the built in 30 Amp plug.
I agree I love those features, I wish it was a pinch smaller but the other features do make up for it. The little light is cool to but ya know it’s just a light lol.
How many hours you think?
Too late but for anyone else, the Honda eu2200i companion has the direct 30A plug. The Honda is the boss, but Yamaha is a good machine if idle db isn't a huge issue and the app isn't a deal breaker.
At the same price, the Honda of course. The Yamaha has a few nice features but the most output and the smallest form factor is a winner. If you need more fuel you can always do the extended run kit. I wonder if you can get the Honda companion generator with the 30 amp plug directly.
It’s also a huge bonus that Honda is the industry standard that others copy. There will always be parts, after market improvements, etc.
Both are excellent generators but I would still take the Honda
I agree I'm a honda guy. The Yamaha is excellent and you really can't go wrong with either.
Over all I would as well. I’m a service guy when it comes down to stuff and I like easy and servicing the Honda is one of the easiest.
@@shanwar9844 My Yamaha is amazing. Run it hard for over 1.5 and never skips a beat.
Coming from a guy that has owned and sold Honda generators, I WOULD NOT.lol. They are junk for long-term! Especially considering the price.
@@4bearsi678 I have Honda generators that are still running perfect that are older than 20 years. Honda is the very best of the best.
More fuel efficient with a smaller engine... might wanna check that, a smaller engine will have to work harder for a given load, which means LOUDER and running faster RPMs. I'd take the Honda every time. (edited for clarity)
Honda makes great engines and so does Yamaha. For me, the larger 120cc displacement of the Honda engine and the lower tone that it makes is why I chose it over a myriad of 80cc generators out there. I’m really interested in the new EU3200 because it’s about the same size as that Yamaha and produces the same power as their large EU3000. It’s like a EU2200 on steroids.
Exactly the larger engine allows lower rpm’s for the whole range but it actually burns just a little more fuel then the Yamaha overall.
But yea the newer 3200 is something I would like but hard to justify the cost right now.
But yea the eu2200 is a beast but wish it was a 2500 which it easily could have been.
Yes, I’ve seen the Honda 3200i at the Outdoor Equipment store. I might even upgrade. It is basically the same housing as the 2200i.
@@montiraruba2831 THE 3200I IS OUTSTANDING.
How many hours..?
@@Asidebar I agree is probably is, but you could by two Honda EU 2000I's and parallel them for the same or less money and have 1200 watts more power, as well as redundancy in the event of a break down.
Thanks for your review. I bought the Yamaha cause I got a great deal here in a very expensive country called New Zealand.. more than impressed with it, and I can use my 1800w electric fly-mo motor mower. Powers up everything I chuck at it Nothing against Honda just it s a lot more expensive here.
I liked the Yamaha and most people that have them don’t really have much complaints. Like I said in the video I wish it was a pinch smaller though.
But yea you are in a expensive area lol.
And you’re welcome and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
As a 13 year old I always was interested in electronics and I still am to this day and I spend hours after school doing research on products like this you help me out a lot ever since I was at the age of five or six I was doing snap circuits and my dad was a big part of that too
Wow cool!! I’m glad you found the channel and stopped by. Learning starts at the beginning and never ends. Expand into anything and everything you can and most times you’ll be able to fix and do most things yourself.
Sometimes you’ll find paying someone is also worth it 😂👍🏼
Thanks for watching 😀👍🏼👊🏼
You're welcome you have a good one
Very touching
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I feel like you and I can talk a lot about this stuff
Technically the Honda always had the fuel shutoff feature, they just didn't put it on the outside label. You can do the same thing with the older models and let the thing run a few minutes until the carb runs out fuel.
Yup..👍🏼
Does running it with gas shut off empty the carb bowl?
Yes…how ever there will be a pinch of residual left in there. Carb drain screw is best for the real long term storage
I have two of the older model yamahas....never a problem with them
I bought one honda 2200i and was so impressed I bought a second. For emergencies and all the "100 year storms" in the last 5 years I was floored how much they help. One let me run a fridge, freezer, and all lights and fans in my house. I bought the second to run my furnace and or a window ac unit depending on what time of year the next problem. The Yamahas would do the same I'm sure.
They are both great. But over all I think I would still grab the Honda.
Well I know the box and side panel on the Yamaha say made in China. There is the Yamaha stamp on the engine. I did not verify if they are manufactured there.
The Honda says Thailand.
I could verify the Honda and double check to see where it actually came from
I found the Honda is American Honda co. Thailand is where it was manufactured.
So still a real Honda. Will see if the newest is made in one of the locations or now China. 🤷♂️
@@johnnysweekends I just bought a Honda and is made in Thailand, December 2022
Nice glad they are still in Thailand and Japan Europe I think as well..🤔
I think i'am going to get both.
My Briggs and Stratton 2200 inverter generator was purchased for $600. Powers my AC unit on my RV. I've ran the hell out of it. Works great. Probably not as quiet but that's minimal. Overall is rock solid. No need to pay double.
B&S is much louder
@@Asidebarupdate, Briggs quit working, it was loud and I'm very happy with my new Honda
I use a predator 2000. More efficient than the Honda. We’ll see if it lasts like one, but powers my camping needs and is pretty quiet. Have a few hundred hours on it so far
These are the best generator reviews I’ve ever seen. Very honest reviews. Yamaha and Honda are two trusted brands for me hard to choose between them lol
Both of those units are good and have there own benefits. So yea tough choice.
I have the Yamaha to a friend he loves it. I still have the honda
Oh and thanks 😀👍🏼
I have Yamaha products ( outboard and SxS) and they are fine machines. I have (2) Honda 2000EU’s and they are wonderful and have been used extensively. I’ll go right back to the 2200EU not only because of the fuel efficiency and durability but also the size, weight and dB difference...JMO
Living off grid in Alaska for over 20 years now and i have had several honda 2000's and Yamaha 2000's as well. Both are true workhorses. They last about 4 years each doing lots of hard charging(estimate 5000-7000 hours) in very cold to sub zero weather. Currently I just bought the new honda 2200 and I have a 4 year old yamaha 2000 as well. Although i really like the gas gauge in the yamaha as i often overfill the honda I just did not like the new form and extra weight of the 2200. The honda i just bought is very nice, runs like a charm, quiet, and has that extra power now.
For me yamaha made a big mistake adding extra weight and size in the redesign. Too bad because I have nothing but praise for their genny's over the years. BTW i think the new honda companion 2200 has a 30 amp outlet for $100 extra and still the same compact unit.
Can't go wrong with a honda either. The warranty is 3 years on both units and even in Alaska i have never had a problem getting service under the warranty. With how hard i run them they typically need some kind of service at the 2-2 1/2 year mark just before the warranty expires and that helps me get another year or two out of them
If you are someone who just wants to occasional use a generator for maybe a couple hundred hours a year you should get one of these they are well worth the expense as you can easily get 10-20 years out of one of them with proper maintenance.
Wow David awesome, great info. And I like the consistency you are getting out of the units. This means you are using them right and doing service like you should.
When they are running, are you pretty consistent in the load? And if so where are you? About 30% 50% 80%..?
Thanks again 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I have solar panels and deep cycle batterries. The panels are basically worthless in winter so thats when the generators can log 10-14 hours a day charging and running things.
Many years ago I used to run at about 80% capacity, then i started using the parallel cables so two generators split the load but i found the most economical way for me to charge is to drop down to about 50% capacity with only one generator charging.
I think 50% or less load is the sweet spot for long life. The unit does not have to work hard this way to get the job done.
Awesome. Yea the sweet spot is about that 30-70% percent zone where the gen is just humming along.
@@patrickobrien8113 I'm off grid but not truly remote. I have been working construction up here for 22years. Sometimes i work in remote places like Shemya. Bethel, and Dutch Harbor.
If you want to go remote like fly in only or 10 miles up a river it can be done up here. in that case you need to either be fully self sufficient at living off the land. rich enough to be able to do supply runs every several months without holding down a job or work construction on and off. The wages are good and lots of overtime so you can earn 50K or more in 6 months and once monied up go live out in the woods until you are broke.
A lot of people living way out there do with less than me and make it. It depends on how you want to live and how resourceful and creative you are.
why are you saying they only last for 4 years? If you take care of the Honda generators they will last for over 20 years.
This seems like an easier decision. There are aftermarket gas caps for the Honda that lets you connect it to an auxiliary fuel tank if that's a concern. I bet you could find an aftermarket fuel cap with a gauge in it. The Honda is so popular that a lot of things are available for them. Having said that my 7200 for the house is a Yamaha.
FYI if you buy a generator for the house the power will never go off again. I've had mine about eight years with never a long outage.
Ain’t that the truth. As soon as you don’t have it is when you need it
Great comparison video.
Surprisingly the only CZcams video I can find actually comparing these two latest flagship generators.
I'd take the Honda over the Yamaha, but I've already settled for one of the sub $400 Yamaha clones that seem to run quieter anyway.
Cheers!
Thank you. I think I would also take the Honda as well. And the clone ones honestly are not bad. They run along time if cared for and not abused.
Thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
I would love to see two Honda Eu 2200I's (comp model and regular model) vs two Yamaha EF2200i's paralleled for head to head comparison. max load test, fuel efficiency under 1/2 load and max load, noise comparisons etc.
The Yamaha use's a steel cylinder sleeve, Honda recommends an extensive combustion chamber cleaning after only 300 hours of use, whereas the Yamaha only needs its head cleaned after 300 hours of use or once per year. That being said, they are both capable units and ether one is a good choice.
If you run it at relatively low idles all the time a head cleaning may be necessary. But if it still starts great and runs great, sometimes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Been a Honda CBR600RR and CBR1000RR owner, never failed. Never owned a Honda Civic, but been told and seen proof that the engine will last longer than the vehicle itself. No brainer Honda purchased. "Edit" Credit to this video for doing an outstanding job. Well spoken.
You should mention, that the Honda has a oil runner belt. This can cause engine damage, and it is very expensive to replace.
Timing belt, and yea spendy to replace when they go verse the Yamaha push rod is very reliable
I'm going with the Yamaha for greater fuel capacity and far better handles to pick it up.
Great video, the Honda handles more load is quieter, more compact, and weighs 10lbs less. Note: Honda needs to put an TT30R plug, hour meter, and fuel gauge on their generators.
The companion is exactly what you are looking for!!
@@johnnysweekends I actually need a EU 7000i ES, I want the ability to use it for Home backup, and I use all the stuff in my trailer and most of it at the same time so I don't want to run my generator(s) at max it's louder and harder on them, I would rather be way over sized even though the damn thing weighs a ton and cost a fortune.
My nephew will likely parallel two Honda EU2200i's for his trailer.
Exactly. People buy a Honda 2200 to run a AC unit and find that at elevation and high temps they are pushing over 1700watts which is almost max rated.
And sometimes depending it won’t start then or maintain because they get hot and go to shut off.
That 30-70 range is for a reason. Much like you don’t want to buy a big gen and only use 700-1200 watts all the time. Then your waisting fuel and also doing a lot of carbon build up because it never creates enough heat. Have to work then once in a while
Nice video. correct me if i am wrong. the honda is timing belt driven which is why it is quiter but my concern is the life of the timing belts. i saw one video in youtube that the generator was only 4 to 6 years old and it was all cracked. and the Yamaha is using pushrods which tends to be noisier but probably more durable. Again im no mechanic, i just observed this things as i have been researching for the better option for me to buy. again im no expert. 😄
You are correct. Honda is a timing belt which most are all push rod in these small generators which is one reason they are a little louder. It’s a tough choice. And this is me being honest, if I wasn’t doing these reviews on generators and using the Honda as a example, I would end up buying another item and saving my money.
I am mechanically inclined so I can fix a lot of stuff. And honestly the little generator I did a review on a while back is such a perfect size that has a Rv plug and will run my ac and just a pinch bigger then the 2200 but alot more power, it just makes sense. Because I can buy almost two for that price of the Honda. Sure everyone says Hondas last forever. Well I honestly think it’s the older model. I see lots of issues with the Hondas on forums and web pages just like any other generator. Especially if it’s neglected or abused.
@@johnnysweekends Hi John ,Tom here from Australia.
In this comment you mentioned that you did a review on another generator that you preferred over the Yami and the Honda ,what brand would that one be please.
Appreciated the comparisons
I like the new Genmax 3500 fuel fuel or Maxpeeding rods 3500.
The Genmax company makes both. Great size, lots of power. So far pretty decent reviews with minimal problems. But both are less then a year old so will see how it does once I get more hours and other people as well.
I always advise to buy a warranty if they can through where ever they buy it.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you for your reply and your video ,they are much appreciated 🙏
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The "Rating" indicates the point at which the sine wave and power factor beings to vary. Running heaters and lights old style lights may not be affected by this. But computer equipment and LED lighting & TVs can be easily damaged.
Bought a Honda eu2000i years back. Just bought a eu2200i to parallel with it. Years ago, had strongly considered the old Yamaha 2K (went with Honda due to local availability), but the new one is just too big for what it offers. Don't get why it's bigger...
Exactly not sure why they made it so big and 10 pounds heavier. I have a Maxpeedingrods generator that is 3200 watts and 23.3 amps that is slightly bigger then the Honda. And I mean slightly and has a 145cc engine. Which runs my ac unit with plenty of room to spare. Sure it’s not a Honda but what a great power size and over all unit. Will see how long it lasts. But yea I would still buy the Honda overall.
@@johnnysweekends is the Maxpeedingrods generator still going after a year?
My friend has the 3200 and he uses it regularly for baseball practice or power outages so he has about 150 maybe. He loves it and his friends ask where he got it. I have the 3500 and use it here and there but it’s honestly the same as the Genmax 3500. Same engine. Camping Alan whos on here a lot still has his and loves it. So far so good but he doesn’t have a lot of hours yet.
It’s thought to beat for the price and does well.
Honda for the win
It’s tough to beat. 👍🏼
Predator generator has already beaten it lol
@@JAMESYBOY. beaten by being cheap garbage yes.
@@zzzgoodnight2883 well I guess that makes honda overpriced garbage then.
I mean since the predator is cheap garbage.
@@JAMESYBOY. nope. Some people can afford Honda and some can’t. I don’t have any issues paying for better quality.
I would like to see that Westinghouse I-2500 against something. More wattage half the price you could buy a hundred gallon fuel tank and fill it up. for about 1100 bucks
I may have to take a peak at that model soon. 👍🏼😀
Great comparison video! I do wish Yamaha had the covers for the plugs, and a bluetooth app. Regardless, both really are built very well.
They both put out the same power but Honda has a 50% larger displacement engine. Which do you think will last longer?
Normally the Honda but honestly there are a decent amount of Yamaha fans. And honestly I don’t get a lot of feed back that’s bad about the Yamaha. That mz-80 engine is also pretty bullet proof.
And the Yamaha guys state the Honda has a belt that can break which I think is rare but could happen. And Honda guys claim the bigger cc engine doesn’t have to work hard so it lasts longer.
I think honestly they are good buys. If you want more over all power the Honda edges the Yamaha out. But the new boost mode is kinda cool. But if you want fuel efficiency the Yamaha wins.
I would like to see a demo for this size generator running a circular saw. Seems to me that this would be a common usage.
Not now a days. Cordless tools have taken over.
This guy who made this video he is professional.This helps me a lot 😉 gracias. Japan makes good things. But USA makes good things too.
Thank you ….
I just am finishing a test between these two gens for fuel efficiency… will be released in a few days.
In the arctic with long winter power outages Yamaha runs for hours over honda short hour generators and much more reliable
Having smaller displacement, the Yamaha has to spin faster to produce like power. The Honda, having more displacement, has the advantage of greater torque which produces like/more horsepower at lower rpm. Around a campground, that lower sound level is a real plus... just carry extra gas.
Yea the purrrr of the Honda is real nice…👍🏼
I took the service cover off the Honda to see where the purring sounds came from and a cat jumped out.
I have the Yamaha, I like the size and the fuel gauge. I cannot hear it when in my house
It’s a good unit. A pinch smaller would have been nice but I like it.
I have the smaller unit which powered my boiler for the 10 hrs the hydro company took to change the broken pole. I’d like electric start on my small Yamaha. Maybe add a generator to the snowblower setup!
At my Workplace, we have 2x Honda eu20i, both of them runs, after 15years of rought Work, like Champions, both of them... 💪💪💪
Awesome,,, I think when you use them consistently they do better then just sitting.
Thanks for the feedback
For your viewers information. These are floating neutral generators. If you connect it to your RV at either 15 or 30 amps, you should insert a neutral-ground bonding plug. Shore power and factory installed gens have the bonding. If you do not do this, and use it on an RV, if a hot or neutral touch anything metal inside the RV, that metal becomes energized with 120 volts. If in the wrong place and you have an aluminum sided RV, the whole rv could be at 120 volts. Without the bond, there is no path to make the generator breaker trip or die from overload. Always be safe, the life you save may just be your own. Respectfully, Kevin
Good info Kevin. But many times the generators will trip when overloaded, which they do with every test. But my rv doesn’t have any wire issues. As I know of.
Now true the bonding plug has really become over the last several years a item you should use regularly when using a portable generator.
Which now after talking with more people and others asking I will start to recommend then as something they can buy or make really easy and just keep it with your generator for safe practice.
Now it seems even more important as a lot of new RVs have EMS systems on board and with out the plug it may cause the ems to find a fault and now actually power up the RV. So now it’s even more important to use one.
People still ask as well if they should ground a generator which I think is still a no go as the generator will use the trailer ground. Verses out side it becomes a new shock hazard especially if someone comes along who doesn’t know like a kid and grabs it and just happens to be at the wrong time.
But agree it’s probably time to start advising to use them as regular practice even though people haven’t used them for decades while RVing. But another level of safety and these newer units it’s basically why not use them.
Thanks for the comment.
Great comparison! Thanks for sharing!
I just recently bought the yamaha ef2200is, I don't like the fact that the honda uses a belt inside the engine to drive the camshaft and is exposed to oil
If you like the RV plug, I think Honda has one with that option.
The Honda only has the L5-30r twist lock on the companion model which is about $150 more. Would be nice to have a Rv plug option
@@johnnysweekends Ahh got it. I would skip that too! Lol
I plug my rv directly into my Yamaha with a $15 adapter
Easy decision. The Honda is smaller, lighter, quieter, and more powerful... and with an auxiliary gas tank it becomes a no-brainer.
Even Joe Biden could make that decision.
Lol are you sure??? 😂
I downsized from a Yamaha EF3000is to the Yamaha EF2200is. The 3000 was extremely quiet, but too big and heavy. I'm now going to sell my Yamaha EF2200is and buy the Honda. I didn't think the noise difference would be that much, but I was wrong. I recently camped with in-laws who have the Honda, and the noise difference was ridiculous. The Honda was hardly noticeable. I can't stand how loud the Yamaha is. Part of the problem is the pitch is higher, which makes it sound even louder than what it shows on a decibel meter. Really love the features of the Yamaha over the Honda, like the RV plug, DC plug and the larger gas tank, but the noise is a deal breaker for me.
Yea that’s where even on the larger Honda units they have most beat. They are quiet but they are under powered compared to most now. So yea its a toss
So which one would you buy? Honda all the way?
In Canada the Yammi do not come w the 30 amp RV port🤔
That’s odd…🤔
Figures.
For the cost of either one of those I would get a predator. And they work just FINE
The predator has a lot of good reports..👍🏼
Hondas voltage sag was much less. Plus the hondas fuel pump allows you to run the extended run fuel cap. Just hook a 6 gallon boat tank and your good to go. Also the honda is quieter.
Yea the Honda does have those extra little features that are nice.
The fuel pump is handy. I have a six gallon external fuel tank and can run around 80 hours nonstop. It also allows one to refuel without needing to shut down the generator, seeing how it is separate from the unit. Just open the tank and refill while running. It also has its own fuel level gauge which negates the lack of fuel gauge on the generator.
The Yamaha EF2200iS also has a fuel pump so running an extended fuel tank is also possible.
My smaller Yamaha 2000 can still run the extra fuel but in gravity mode.
I have owned 4 Honda inverter generators. Absolutely love them. However, due to supply issues, I have waited months for delivery of one more with zero success. Don't know what is going on with Honda, but clearly they do not have their "stuff" together. I will buy Yamaha simply because they are available. Very disappointed with Honda. I have owned one Yamaha generator before and it lasted years also.
I'm just thinking the smaller Yamaha motor is going to be revving more to keep up under load compared to the significantly larger Honda engine. Both are great generators though, but the smaller motor, 10 pound heavier weight, and bulkiness of the Yamaha would make me want to go to the Honda instead. But if you want a longer run time between fill-ups, then the Yamaha wins that hands down.
7:29 dropping to 85v when load applied could damage some things.
11:16 60v definitely does! wow
any recommendations for an inverter generator that wont blow slowly kill your AC to dc transformers?
Isn’t it odd the two main brand units don’t shut off sooner. Champion I like the genmax brand as well and all the other brands shut off much sooner like it should. I find it odd Honda and Yamaha will let you sneak up with a slow load and let the voltage drop like that.
Great video, I don’t yet own one but Honda will probably get my vote….adapter is concerning….Yukko…..does Honda make a dual fuel in the 2200 size? Or are they only gas? Also is it a pure sine wave inverter. Thanks for tip on generator bible, that was worth the watch!
Honda does not make a dual fuel in this size or really any size that I know of.
If you are worried about the adapter you can look into the companion model which has a built in L5-30r twist lock plug. But if you need it for a Rv you’ll still need a adapter.
All inverter generators are pure sine wave. Even a lot of open frames are.
You can buy kits to convert to dual fuel for any of the Hondas for the most part. But yea would be nice if they had the option.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Crazy this channel only has 5k subs
Dude I hear this a lot 🤣 but hey one at a time 😀👍🏼
Nice review!
Good info and very straightforward!
Thank you 😀👍🏼
I bought a 2020 generac 2500 and have used it for 7 years and still running like a champ
Wow that’s good. I actually don’t get allot of good feedback on this units
Wow, that’s a good trick. Ran it for seven years when it’s only been three.
im looking @ this great review from Oz looking @ getting the Honda now more compact
If you have the carb drain open, and rotate the switch to "on", can you just dump the entire fuel tank in one easy shot?
objectively, I think the honda is a better generator. On the other hand, the yamaha has some nice quality of life improvements and I could not find a honda 2200i companion anywhere. So I own a yamahopper
I believe you can because when the float is down it will continue to try and fill the bowl but since the drain is open from the bottom is should continue to drain. Unlike the Honda it’s different.
I never did it but after looking at it and opening it a couple times that’s the conclusion I came to. But again never did it.
I'm a Yamaha fan and own a Yamaha generator, but the Honda wins this one.
Size is more important for me than run time, and 8 hrs is plenty.
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I do enjoy this type of reviews. Good job man.
Thank you 😀👍🏼👊🏼
Parts are a problem with the Yamaha, I have been trying to buy a carby for 7 months and still no luck.(EF2000is) in Australia.
Have you tried eBay..?? Many units use the same few carbs.
We ran Honda's from time to time at a job I worked and I was amazed how much those little generators could run. My brother in law wants to go in with me and buy an inverter dual gas propane off brand from Costco. I'd rather buy a Honda or Yamaha for parts service and their reliability reputation.
I don’t like the firman brand. Seems I have read and heard not so good things.
Champion or something else. Or the Honda of you like.
Buy both I say lol .. Brilliant testing
Recently bought two Honda 2200is to replace my Champion 3400. Very happy with the performance for camping and power outages.
Nice, that’s a good set up..👍🏼😀
Champion 3400 are the best. Built a whole house off grid for 4 years running all day everyday without a hiccup. Finally seized
Wow that’s a lot of hours
I love your videos!! Quick question, how did the breaker not trip if its 15 amp circuits but you were well over 17 for a while?
Thank you
Been a while since I did this video. There are sometimes some inaccuracies in the meters but even a 15 amp breaker can hold over 15 amps for a short duration by an amp or two.
@@johnnysweekends yes it is an older video but i was curious. Thank you for the reply!
Both are great, but the Honda is much easier to find parts, support, and service, at your local dealer.
Great testing - Honda for me, bombproof runner
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Considering the last two Formula One world championships were won by cars with Honda engines, and Repsol Honda MotoGP motorcycles won countless world championships (and so has Yamaha to do it justice), I believe I'd pick the Honda generator...
Because you are maxing those generators out and they are screaming, would a larger generator under less load perform more quietly?
Yes!!!!! So a larger unit will idle down to a lower rpm because 2000 watts would only be about half of its load capacity depending on unit. But you also dealing with a larger unit. If you need a generator and plan to use it at 80% load and more all the time then a next larger size up may be a good option.
I got burned once on an old EF2000is. Inverter board was just plain fried. Maybe I just got a bad one, but it's one too many considering how expensive they are. I stick with Honda now.
I wasn’t real impressed with the 2000 model but the newer 2200 seems to rock but I get it.
That was a darn good video... thanks. For me the larger engine and likely, easier to find service locations= honda wins for me.
Thank you. And both are good units but agree seems easier to find Honda items. 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 😀👍🏼
I would love to have a shiny red honda but they are so rediculously priced and wont even provide a bottle of oil, for the price they should have oil, tools, a t shirt and hat and a 10 year warranty included!
They are not overpriced at $1000.00.
When your $600.00 Wen melts down it's capacitors 15 hours into your camping trip you won't really care they included a bottle of oil with it in the box. What kind of man doesn't have motor oil at his house anyway? The kind of man who thinks either of these generators is overpriced. That's who.
@@jeffwhite3021 i got plenty of oil in my garage, i can probably do more than most guys can do mechanically, my point is that you pay a premium price, the cheap ass company could atleast provide a little bottle of oil for convenience for people who don’t have oil. I have a generac not a wen, if you notice most houses have generac generators for their whole house, I have not seen any honda whole house generators, probably because it would cost more for the generator than the house, most people have financial sense, obviously money isn’t an issue for you.
What generac generator do you have?
@@johnnysweekends I started with a gp2200i and i sold it be because i got a gp3300i and it starts so easily and is quieter than the 2200. I like honda but I think i would only get one if they were on sale for 900 or less but I don’t think I will get a deal like that with the current supply chain problem.
Yes correct, the Hondas I don’t think will have sales anymore and even if they do they will drop to the old $1050 price verses the $1150 now.
The generac models are not bad units as well. I believe that was a dacar unit out of China but been a while since I reviewed that one. Same as the power rush but a different company from China makes that one. Could be Ding Kong but they are all out of Chongchin China. All the factories seem to share the same nuts and bolts.
Sad but unfortunately the world we live in.
What is the best generator to run a house?
That depends more on you and how big the house is.
Do you want to run everything in the house or just the essential items to get by when the power comes back.
I mean it could be $4000 to $20,000 🤷♂️
Another issue is the number of dealers that deal w these generators. Much easier to get service and parts w the Honda.
The Yamaha EF2200is is not avaliable in the UK and doesnt appear to be avaliable for import either... shame really cos it has a lot of real useful tooless design
That’s kinda lame. Surprised it’s not available there..🤔
Thank you so much
Very nice generator . I like HONDA brand
Thank you. The Honda is pretty darn quiet!
Does anyone know why these machines still use carburetors instead of fuel injection?
Would make the units that much more expensive. But they are changing some or making new ones that are fuel injection.
Can you parallel both these different generators together? Or will it damage them after awhile?
You can normally parallel other generators together. And most times do not have issues. Yamaha and Honda like to be pretty specific on there items so have no idea unless I did a extensive test checking the output over a few types of loads to make sure the power stays clean.
I would rather connect a couple off brands then a Honda and Yamaha .
Do you have any details on the little power meter you are using ?
Sure, here ya go 😀👍🏼
Volts Amps Watts Meter RV Generator Load Meter Build
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Hello there, I just came across your channel and lots of knowledge. I think it’s going to make me decide witch one I will buy. Can you please provide a link for your digital output reader you made, that’s awesome.
Thank you appreciate it,
Here is the meter build 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I apologize but I didn’t see any movie/link, thank you again
Ohh weird it didn’t post
Ok try again
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@@johnnysweekends thank you so much
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The honda has a timing belt AND a plastic cam gear and camshaft. Case closed for me. And that is coming form a Honda lover here. I'll pick up the Yamaha
Yea there are people who definitely do not like the timing belt. Some like the push rods on the Yamaha. But that little mz-80 is the most widely used small generator engine. It’s every where lol.
@@johnnysweekends the timing belt would be OK as I would service every decade no problem. But the plastic cam gear in the Honda does get worn down, it just has a lot of tolerance built in so people don't notice. I did like its performance new, and the sound better from your tests though. But fortunately for Yamaha, I'll go with them for this one as I buy these kinds of things for a lifetime (hopefully). Can't beat the honda snowblowers though!
What would be the better option in your option to operate a food cart / truck . New to the game and currently obtaining info before purchase
Depends how much power you are going to draw consistently.
That will determine more of what size you need then you can look at those sizes and prices to see what’s in the budget
@@johnnysweekends thank you
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RV AC’s draw more power at high elevations (which we tend to camp at) and gas engines typically put out less power at higher elevations…
I’d love to see this test again at 3000 - 4000’ elevation to see which can overcome the challenges
Why would an AC draw more power at a higher elevation?
I have done this test before with two verses one large generator. And yes more heat and add elevation that just toughens the task. About 3% ish loss per 1000ft.
I will be doing this test but in later summer. I need the roads to open which are covered in snow lol
The AC will be the same but heat adds resistance which makes the draw on the generator more. So the demand goes up for the generator. And with less air that means less power. So both models will suffer.
Although I won’t be doing the test on these models it will be on the newer ones.
The Honda eu2200 can barely start a 15k ac unit at 5500ft on a hot day. With a soft start yes but you are running darn near max load and it’s not enough.
@@trustme7731 the AC has to work harder, the lower air density in higher elevations doesn’t absorb the same.
Do you have a link to the meter you are using for the load check?
That adapter you used with the Honda what was that?
This is what I had but there are others as well. amzn.to/3m2id3Q
Look for a used Honda first, one made in japan if you want the tool that built the Honda reputation. You’ll think its too much to pay for a used generator but you’ll be glad you did.
Coming from someone who grew up in Florida the real test is how a generator does 8 days in with no power for the third time in 12 years. When you have zero chance of getting a new one or replacment parts. When everyone is pissed off no power no food no ac hardly any gas stations have fuel and the ones that do are like hunger games for a gallon. You pull that cord and the engine does not start or the genset sends no power its a WHOLE different game then....All my money has gone on the Hondas everthing else is like a dirty needle in an ebola camp.
The Hondas are tough to beat and are way to work on, but I have not heard anything bad a about the new Yamaha at all. So hopefully both last.
Thanks for the feed back.. and thanks for watching😀👍🏼
Love to know where you got your volt meter ? Looks like diy ?
Thank you. I made it a couple years ago.
Here is the diy video Volts Amps Watts Meter RV Generator Load Meter Build
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But some company actually made it now. Although no royalties lol…amzn.to/3zi8FoA
Honda, for the simple reason that it has a bigger engine. More power sustaining potential.
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for stopping by..😀👍🏼
Are the electric currents supplied by these generators sufficient for welding with a 2.5 mm thick electrode?
I dont think so
Does the Yamaha have the Ducar motor? Or is it truly a badged Yamaha motor?
No it’s a true Yamaha engine. Stamped cases and muffler 👍🏼
You can parallel the Yamaha for a larger Rv for $40.
Yup makes a nice set up..👍🏼
I Just ordered 2 hondas and the companion has the 30 amp plug.
Yup the companion is a nice unit to have if doubling up.
I always look for a used one lol.
How about that adaptor plug on that Honda? Never seen it before, where do I get 1? Are you combining both outlets?
Adapter plug..?
Or power meter ?
Plug. Are just plugged into 1 of the outlets?
Yes just plugged into one. Plugging into both will not provide more power.
This is basically what I have amzn.to/3Ryzcq4
@@johnnysweekends awesome video bud! Thank you!! 👍
You’re welcome 😀👍🏼
Honda premium standard. T800Aust
I wonder why Yamaha on a 2200 Makes a 30 amp plug but Honda does not put one on theirs. And do you recommend having to smaller generators and then link them together for more power when you need it or do you recommend having one big one and if so what brand do you prefer
They are both good options… may depend more of what you need. Having two has a lot of benefits..
One breaks.. one runs
Less fuel used over all
Lighter and easier to store
Normally more power over all
Perform better at elevation with two
Cons are
more refills
Service on two units
Typically no auto start on small units.
If you plan to move the generators and take them with you to places like camping Rv and more two small units are nice
If just at home for back up then a bigger one with a large fuel tank is kinda ideal.
@@johnnysweekends if you had one big generator to recommend what would it be and if I were to buy two small generators what would you recommend
Well depends how many watts you need but for a 120v gen I did really like the 4650 champion unit. The 4500 is pretty much the same.
The Genmax or Maxpeedingrods 3300 sure is a nice compact unit but so is the Genmax dual fuel 3500 with remote start. That’s a nice compact unit which I’ll get one soon for testing .
Two small ones..? Well considering so many are made from the same people and they all have the same 80cc engine it depends more of what you want on options.
Like the AIpower 2000 watt model can be paralleled with out a box and just plugging into one generator. Which is nice. And both units have been reliable from people that still have them. They sure don’t get a lot of popularity but I think for the price of the units they do well.
Or a couple champion 2500 dual fuel units is kinda something I was would consider.
It’s hard on the small units. So many.
Also pretty tough to beat the little honda 2200s just because so quiet and extended fuel tanks are easy.
@@johnnysweekends I just need enough wattage to power a 13,000 Ac in a normal household microwave that’s in our travel trailer I do love the idea of two small generators because I have to pick it up by myself and I’m a huge fan of Honda but they are pricey and again thank you for all the advice Love the reviews keep them coming
@@johnnysweekends I just wish Honda would step up in the 4500 category because 3000 it’s barely enough to run the AC and the microwave and I’m not running them all at the same time but it’s nice to have a generator they can do it if you have to
Awesome review 😎👍👍🇨🇦
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