It’s a tough pill to swallow but zoomers and shockingly quite a few millennials still need to understand 90% of the inter webs is fake. The mIRC/BBS days of innocence have been long gone
Thanks so much for having me on. If anyone has any information about Jay they'd like to share, please get in touch with me. I'm continuing to report on Jay.
Thank you so much John. I watched you first at Keya's world. Thank you for your work, professionalism, and courage you have to expose this. I'm glad that you have all the receipts to keep these "enlightened" ones to have accountability for their fraudulent actions. I hope all these other "gurus" get exposed and also get held accountability as well. Thank you
As a Sri Lankan Buddhist, i think i can safely say Buddhism and its practice in India and Sri Lanka are pretty similar. I can assure you that becoming a monk is not this easy. You cannot just go visiting a few sites, learn some history about the faith then call yourself a monk and go live in an Ashram. To become a monk you have to go through some rigorous training, learning the history and life of Buddha, gaatha's and prayers, Meditating and reaching a higher level of mindfulness is a huge part of it too. More so there's a huge stigma around leaving the monkhood once you have chosen it. Many don't and those who do are considered never to have truly wanted to follow the path. This man is basically exploiting this faith for personal gain
I think what made him famous was his looks combined with the British accent along with good sales skills. People who know how to utilize their looks along with their charm can sell anything. He can spew so much bullshit and people will still gravitate towards him.
Yes, (and as an Englishman, myself) I can tell that he's worked hard at that RP accent. I can often hear his "natural dialect" (and his limited grammar tbh) slip through and I cringe. It's also quite obvious that he hasn't REALLY read at all. He has only read quotes...and we all know about his quote "usage".
My company (Silicon Valley based) paid Jay to have a sit down with our CEO last year and record a conversation for managers to help them with their mental health. I didn’t watch it because I read about the dude for 15 seconds and said “this guy is a grifter.” Turns out, my gut feeling was spot on.
It's WILD how many of us could sense Jay was a grifter from 100 miles away! I despised this guy the minute I looked into him, even a bit - bc it's OBVIOUS he's a scammer and fraud, grifting for $$$. Hope Coffee will put this video on his MAIN CHANNEL so more can learn the truth!
Agreed, I’ve always avoided his videos entirely, and even when family sent them to me, I haven’t watched. I’ve just felt like he’s somehow “off”, and I didn’t want him in my head. It’s totally odd that I felt that way about him, and he gives me an “ick”. This news makes sense to me.
I’m a black American but these nut jobs need to leave Eastern religion out of their schemes in my opinion…but I guess being from the east gives him an excuse.
When someone who claims that they have found their spiritual truth, comes back to live in the materialistic world again.. that itself is phony in itself. West needs to be aware of such "Gurus"
Plato's myth of the cave suggests that though. Learn the Truth, that's the "not so easy part", buta then you need tò go back out there and "teach the Truth". That action is accompanied by others not understanding you, and by self-doubt. That's the difficult, but necessary part to be a full "philosopher". At least for Plato though.
So spiritual people can’t have material desires? If that’s your idea of enlightenment, you’re far from it my friend Edit: I don’t support Jey at all, I’ve always found him phony as fuck. It’s this comment that’s flawed, to which I’m responding.
I've always disliked jay shetty, I never understood why he seemingly popped off from nowhere and became this figurehead in the podcast space. Something about him comes off as disingenuous.
"Does the White House not vet credentials?" He came recommended. That's how it works among the powerful, and it's what confuses us little people. The powerful are powerful because they come recommended by others of the powerful.
They literally let Dylan Mulvaney sit down with Biden.... Oh... and They let Biden be president. I mean.... it's all a show, it's pretty clear. I don't know who still takes them seriously?
He lived in the Penthouse of my apartment building in Hollywood ($20k+/month). Drove Porsche and always coming in with shopping bags etc. Guess the "lack of desire for materialistic goods" wasn't part of his monk training. Anyone claiming to help people and then interview the Khardashians and use them as a symbol of idealism, should be taken as entertainment. Issue is he is he isn't marketing himself as an entertainer, he's claiming he will help you make your life better. He's not a bad guy necessarily, but be clear that this is entertainment and then to hawk life products is just bad karma.
I think you are being overly generous, lol. For example, if he was a good guy, he would have already marketed himself by now as an entertainer. Let's face it he was only in it for himself.
@@neutral_10 I hate to pass judgement on anyone, although it is easier when people who claim to be "altruistic" are frauds. I think people start things with the best intentions and then once money/fame/recognition gets involved, they lose their way and forget why they even started the endeavor. He would be better served just rebranding as an entertainer than a life guru.
To try to understand why Jay Shetty is so successful is both impossible, as it requires understanding the entire, utterly bizarre world of self help, but also fascinating as he crosses boundaries from influencer (eg launching his wife, doing cute couple reels etc), grifter (launching supplement drink), guru (generic Westernised eastern philosophy), clout chaser (relentless pursuit of celebs, chiefly getting in with the dysfunctional Will and Jada Smith family who boosted his fame hugely), content-curator rip off merchant (freeloading cringe videos saying ‘leave a ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ if this touches you!), rider of the let’s-talk-about-mental-health wave, and self help coach. A slightly more nuanced point that might be hard to convey briefly to non-Indians, but it was evident from the very start that he was from an ISKCON background (a big community esp in north London, of whom I know many) and his story was complete nonsense, clearly designed to dupe Westerners. You can find very ordinary guys like him in the UK Hindu community around every corner, so fair play to him that he’s achieved so much with so little. Truly just a modern day version of the fake guru, as you said. I saw a comment once saying that he’s managed to make a multi-million dollar career out of monetising his eye colour…so perhaps that is what makes the difference 😅
Absolutely! Unexpected (though in hindsight, perhaps not) but very welcome input from Shrodinger's beard himself! Perhaps an unwelcome topic for a new video idea (since you've talked about it before), but would be interesting to hear about your perspective re: impact on perceived trust in real professionals @MedlifeCrisis ?
I think at this point I'm just naturally suspicious of anyone who comes across in a 'guru-like' fashion trying to open my eyes to some grand self truths. Maybe I'll miss someone useful, but I'd guess I'll be better off overall.
At least give people a chance so that you don't miss out on those useful people! There are gurus out there, and it's easy to tell when somebody has put time into becoming knowledgeable about a subject versus idiots who are trying to impress. Typically gurus will be eager to communicate and help people to fully understand a subject, it should not be confusing, and if it is, it should be backed by congruent explanation. If you haven't watched this video and enjoyed coffees breakdowns, you have not just missed one of those useful people, but also engaging in their content and with their community. Coffee is a guru, and has basically said as much. Gurus just have bad reps, because it's slang for "f*king scientist in _", but for some people, especially for those who have been scammed, he has definitely provided some grand self truths in the old fashioned way, that is a person realizing something themselves, and to help them to be wary of schemes that they may be addicted to gambling on. I think what you dislike is manipulation. A nasty thing that has also been around for a long time, can and often is used through religion, and is not true knowledge but the projection of it, a sociopathic tendency.
I’d be more trusting of anti-guru-like people…and even then I’d be careful, because when someone feels the need to tell you over and over again they are one thing, there’s a good chance they are the exact opposite. Like a villain named Mr. Niceguy! You should at least be cautious and do research before outright trusting them!
I’ve been off that stuff for about 2 years now. I was heavily into self help guru space and used to watch the liked of Jordan Peterson religiously. I know it’s a controversial take but I do think Peterson has gone off the deep end. Good psychologist, but he shouldn’t have become this false beacon of all knowing wisdom because he clearly isn’t. Anyway, just don’t watch the guru’s and channels alike and you’ll enjoy You Tube way more and more importantly, you’ll start feeling better because you’re not constantly bombarded with this generic image of your possible perfect self (that’s doesn’t exist anyway)
I would check credentials of his wife who wrote a book about nutrition while posting average recipes. They are simply influencers and nowadays it seems you only need followers to qualify for anything...
So so true! I absolutely despise this influencer culture we have these days! I miss the way the world was before FB and all of social media taking over!
This is so satisfying because my friend was swooning over this guy in 2019… I said “this guy is a baby, what does he know about marriage and careers - he has less life experience than I do. He just repeats inspirational quotes from other authors.” She was upset, she said “but look at his beautiful eyes! I believe he is wise!”
Satisfying You do know this guy is also Lieing about Hindus and the Hare Krsnas about the prostitution and illegal activities right making it seem the organisation was responsible for all this bad stuff and not the individuals who joined and the left and most of them are not in the org today lol
his eyes was creepy to me, that's kinda save me from being scam back in the day when he was all over FB, the moment I saw him, I blocked the account and never heard of him again til now.
As someone who's studied South and East Asian mythology for a little while, the second you said he studied for three years and became a guru, I got suspicious. For any monastery, Christian included, it typically takes WAY LONGER than 3 years to become a teacher to others. Idk if that was obvious to others but I thought to point it out anyway.
Hindu (sanatan dharma ) is way complex to be in any years, it says the religious script can’t even begin to scratch the surface in one life. Well he probably studied 3 years cause I see he learned nothing. He is a con man 😂
there is so much literature in islam as well and you have to learn the life of the holy prophet and his followers before you become an imam. That takes 7 years before you're considered qualified. And Islam is not as old as one of the oldest religions or beliefs in the world such as bhuddism or hinduism which has so much to cover before you learn everything about the spirituality philosophy. So 3 years sounds like Elizabeth holmes dropping out after a year and saying she engineered a new way of drawing blood 👹
Many thanks to Mr.McDermott for taking the time and effort of actually documenting this "black on white", and hopefully it can help some people who otherwise would have been "taken in" by this hustler...
This is a great expose! I've lived in India all my life and I must tell you more about spiritual organisations here. Firstly, monks go through rigorous training for years if not decades, before they are ordained as monks. They have to live in the monastary to do so. Also, ISCON is mostly looked at as a corruption of a spiritual organisation for the obvious reasons you have mentioned. Jay Shetty is not a monk or even remotely spiritual. He's a media genius selling tge nonsense people are eager to pay for. It must be a huge embarassment for the White House) Its amazing what social media skills can build. Gary Vee should interview him 😂
I'm a Hare Krishna and becoming one changed my life immeasurably for the better.. True story, it's a wonderful way of life & everyone who's taken-up Krishna consciousness will verify my testimony.
I am Indian and a Hindu, my dad bought one of his books from the airport and i told him this guy seems a little shady cause i see him just everywhere speaking to all these celebs. I thought to myself,"Why does he want to read a British Indian's book on spirituality and stuff when he has Bhagavat Gita and other scriptures at his disposal?😂" .
Because people fight the truth!!! Every time someone called him out it’s was them being a hater - now that a big CZcamsr is doing it, it’s different and the truth. People don’t want to listen to their fellow audience neighbors, they want it from people behind the screen because it feels like the news or more legit
I really liked his wife when she first started out but now all her posts are sponsored or trying to sell her products. It’s too bad. Also I have suspicion that they’re separated but have to stay together for publicity
Religion is a deep personal truth. Anybody who tries to commoditise it eventually ends up engaging in these scams. This shit is sad and shameful. Ironic how it defeats the core philosophies of Hinduism.
Religion is a scam by itself, so it is no wonder scammers use the framework of religion in their own scams. It is the scam template. Be atheist instead.
I have never felt so validated! A couple of years ago I was a mod for a small streamer who was so into J Shetty. I messaged her privately to warn her not to fall for people like this. I had a near miss in the past with a different charismatic spiritual healing "guru". She fully threw me out of her community and said I didn't fit anymore. Thank you so much for bringing this petty little giggle into my life today!
weird cult-like behaviour: Only surround yourself with yes-men and never be skeptical of what you are listening to. The saddest part is that it is usually the most vulnerable people who get exploited by these grifters
Nicole Arbour called him out over 4 years ago! She realised he was plagiarising all his ‘guru advice’ and as an Indian, I could smell his BS from 4000 miles away 😂
I used to listen to him and I stopped because it started feeling really inauthentic. He started brining in the most random stars as opposed to mental health professionals, researchers, etc who really had no reason to be on the podcast but coincidentally had a book coming out or a new project I stopped. Listening to all this I’m 😮😮
I think Jay Shitty is successful because he is charming, rubs elbows with other narcissists, has excellent word salad skills and most importantly, is a very handsome Indian dude with piercing green eyes.
This definitely explains why I could never finish any of his podcasts. They always came off as disingenuous, he always spoke as if he was more important and made everyone aware how important he was to the guest on each episode.
16:40 The reason Jay lies about having credentials instead of just saying it's his opinion is that the people who pay $8,000 for his course are often struggling and/or not wealthy. They see it as an investment to get them out of their struggles. The credentials give them a sense of security to pay what is usually all they have left. Most scam victims are usually poor or struggling people who envy the rich scammer taking their money.
What does being poor or struggling have to do with being impressed by credentials. Rich people are even more impressed by credentials and have even more money to spend on what they think are amazing credentials. Your comment makes no sense; if anything lying about his credentials is better for scamming rich and educated people. Broke people can’t be as choosy.
@@deepfriedokra " credentials is better for scamming rich and educated people. " actually no. his pseudo credentials don't work on most wealthy people, they may work on new money people and the odd straggler here and there - but look man the wealthy don't stay wealthy by falling for this kind of scam every year. they're faux credentials, wealthy educated people who are truly that can see past that. uneducated poorer people who have no idea how the "rich mans" circles operate and what is bullshit and what isn't bullshit have harder time telling the difference. a person who went to university can tell if someone is just scamming about their academical credentials much more probably than some dude who just barely learnt to read can. "just trust me bro I'm educated and rich" just doesn't work on the educated and rich as well as it does on people who are envious of the rich and have no idea how things work, what is a reasonable amount of money and what is an exceptionally exceptional amount of money, they have no capability to spot bullshit in that regard. please note that what is rich at a certain point just becomes a thing in the mind and that the people who think they're not rich/wealthy are more at risk of falling for these scams - there's no actual objective line for it when you're wealthy/normal/poor, after all some people eat enough fast food to get to 600 pounds while thinking they did that because they're in poverty.
@@deepfriedokrano. Their comment does make sense. Rich people can splurge the money around but for those who cannot afford are given an assurance that they are putting their money with the right person because of so and so credential. Considering the plague of self help monks today, everybody has a choice. Even the poor. That is why it is important to lure them with credentials.
As an Indian who understands caste dynamics its not so surpising that Shetty is made such a big stature, given his associations with "Hare Krishna" organizations (i guess ISKCON). I dont think he would have made it so far without the dedicated support of oppressor caste diaspora in USA. I totally agree on what you mentioned about the whole "Vedic monk" bullshit. Its just another term to create mysticism and loot the masses. There is an epidemic of such "Vedic" influencers here in India.
As a indian who understands caste dynamics it is no surprise people like you will involve xaste even when it has no role to play . The constant self victimization and targetting people on the basis of caste even when caste plays no part in the incident has become popular. ISCKON itself trying to eradicate caste . Once you join isckon u have to let go of the caste superiority so i don't know what mental gymnastics u just played to blame isckon of caste discrimination
@@prachim_ the op himself is castiest assuming an individual can't do fraud and if he does he has to be supported by castiest . Can you tell me how caste and jay shettys fraud are related?did u not see how comment CONSTRUCTED a caste angle here when it has no role to play in this particular angle
Jay gave a speaking engagement at my workplace in his Facebook era. He spent the whole time quoting questionable studies. Very weird vibe of overcompensation.
Overcompensation is always a giveaway…I’ve never trusted a person who is overly charming. Always rubs me the wrong way…intuitively, I’ve always known there’s some inauthenticity beneath a person with too much charisma.
I agree with your take on the overall case. The issue I have with the western world is associating a religious/spiritual organization with fringe members while ignoring every religious organization in america has the same if not similar criticisms. There is a blatant bias when overlooking these things
I'm from India. We always take self-help gurus and Yogis with a pinch of salt. We have had a larger sampler size to make decisions from in India. That's why we are sceptical when such gurus, yogis or godmen come to the fold. Another matter is, do you still believe White House vets such people? They just look at the PR they can get from such fake influencers. This is the how the world of politics work.
These people who tell you that they can solve your problems or give you purpose or whatever.....are usually frauds, because no one else can do that for you, only you can get yourself a purpose no one else
NGL, listened to the "Think Like a Monk" audiobook because it was free on my Spotify plan and it was super helpful to me in some parts, really useful in practical ways to deal with emotion/feelings etc. But after listening to the audiobook and wanting to learn more about Jay's story and possibly get some more "insights" and ways to manage my life, I found his website and signed up to the newsletter. Boy was that a mistake! All of a sudden I'm bombarded with emails offering all kinds of nonsense with a view to selling me his subscriptions/courses/whatever. No thanks dude, I'm good. Was really disappointed after what I thought was a really cool book. Guess I was the typical "Westerner" he was targeting but I was savvy enough to see through his BS marketing afterwards 😂 Anyhow, appreciated the insight you guys gave into the shameful way he's going about marketing his stuff - particularly the fabricated university affiliations. What a dog!!!
You get a diploma at the end if you need to prove that you have a degree. Universities, in the UK at least, are required to guard the personal information they hold and not just hand it out to anyone who asks.
Is it any wonder that the UK had a bunch of unqualified nurses (and maybe doctors, but what I read focused on nurses) when employers can't background check potential employees so they just don't bother
If you belive people based on acredidations you are falling for appeal to authority bias. The person saying the words is entirely independent of the truth of the words.
@@Dogo.R That is true but unrelated to the point. The entire purpose of a degree is to show that you have some qualifications in a subject. You might think degrees are worthless, and they might be, but the point of them is so other people can see what you've studied.
I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately of discovering that hardly anyone claiming to be a therapist in the UK has any graduate degree in it, let alone a license. And it just is the way it is, apparently. I’m a year short of my masters and I’m more qualified than 90% of UK based therapists I find on LinkedIn. It feels weird.
Naah, he is right. I remember people being sceptical of him even long back ago in Indian Book forums and subreddits. Most of his 'became a monk' stuff felt very superficial, which maybe someone from the west would ignore. Now, I wouldn't say that people thought he was an outright fraud, but he never came across as genuine or legit especially after the plagiarism accusations.@@Gandingas
idk, i used to believe „if your instinct say no. then better to stop than to proceed and just stay away.“ my instinct regarding of him was just like that. i can’t describe it, but there just „something off“ to my preference. 😅
i am hindu and a lot of us have been skeptical of him from the start. i just dont think anyone cared enought to disprove him but always thought he was a hack
I saw just 1 interview he did and when he said "last year I started to be kind to people I interact with, like in the past I would not greet or talk to my taxi driver, but now I do and it has changed me" I knew he was a pretentious fraud and a plant. Such a guru 🙄
Years ago, I I had this spiritual awakening, I began on a spritual path that still means a lot to me, but like a lot of people, I stumbled across a lot of online gurus. At first some of their stuff seemed cool, but then I got a weird vibe - like it felt hypocritical, or too "hustle-culture-y" and masculine brute force - I,E, abundance mindset in terms of BRUTE FORCING a millionaire mindset... it all came across like it was about exploiting spirituality for profit. Not just Jay but loads of others. Especially the whole idea of that MindValley shit. I am so tired of the victim-blamey shit and the "just choose to be happy" nonsense. If you have Trauma (like CPTSD) you literally can NOT just suddenly "make yourself happy" and I think the healing process is often not linear (from pain/sorrow to suddenly thinking yourself joyful and rich??) - it's almost counterintuitive because it gets you feeling like a failure if you can't manifest yourself out of literal mental illness - like it poses these unrealistic expectations on yourself to unfuck yourself enough to manifest massive wealth and as such it actually just makes you feel WORSE.
The first time i saw an Andrew Tate short on YT b4, i knew who he was and said, "This guy is creepy and seems at least a little sexist." Bout a month later, i learned who he was and felt like my instincts have never been so acute for a 30-second clip.
@@shivapazoki1881 see he tells his followers to follow the pseudo medicine ayur veda and not to trust modern medicine and science . And last week so he got an heart attack , he took all the best benefit of modern medicine and science , he himself claims he never read vedas and any other scripture yet he preached about it. Because of him and many scammers like him are just renaming the modern medicine and converting it into ayur veda for money . They have been scamming hard . And indians life expectancy have decreased a lot , lol, since ayur veda came into light
I don't follow him, but if people think meditation does not work, then they've never experienced anxiety or tried meditation. I have been free from panic attacks since I started learning meditation. The core principles of awareness, mind, and body are very effective in dealing with stress and anxiety.
South Indians youth or adults can choose to go through a period of joining an ashram and living a monk-like existence. This is generally as a growth experience and to find your path. In no way does this prepare you to be giving advice to others, and you are no in any way a guru or teacher.
Thank you for sharing this. Lot of Jay’s stuff did not appeal or had missing pieces.. I think he clicked on the US because of his accent.. not even so much the questionable mysticism
I worked over a decade full time editing for... I'm not gonna say but let's just say it's in the Jay Shetty bubble. All the editors that work for these guys all talk behind closed doors. It's been a running joke for years that Jay plagiarizes. We've been mocking his bold faced plagiarism on social media for years now. I still got facebook DM's of editors mocking Jay from all the way back in 2015. In our editor's group convos we'd always make the same joke, which would be along the lines of popping into the group convo and say something like: "To be or not to be, that is the question..." -Jay Shetty or for another example "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You" - Jay Shetty stuff like that. But yeah, we all knew.
@@gifi4 I may be a little slow, but I'm having a difficult time comprehending exactly what you are saying. Group that I seem to think I was in? I've never worked for Jay personally, the guy I've worked for is a good solid guy and has always been honest about who he is and where he comes from and always been honest with his audience. I don't want to mention his name as not to drag him into any undeserved drama. But two things to note: (1) Every single one of these big influencers have entire teams working under them. For every Jay Shetty, Tony Robbins, Prince Ea, Dharr Mann, David Goggins or Gary Vaynerchuk, there is a small army of videographers, editors, social media managers, etc. standing behind them. During the heyday of motiviational influencers, behind the curtain, I was the fuckin man. Every single influencer in that space has worked with me or reached out to me at one point or another. Jay reached out to me before, but to date I've never done a project with him. (2) Just like gamer communities, youtuber communities, and so on, those armies of editors, videographers, graphic designers, colorists, sound guys, production assistants, etc. are all very much part of a tight knit community as well. I've been in many many group chats with people who work for (you name it) at one time or another. Whenever there's a team project you'll end up in a group chat, sometimes with close friends, sometimes with brand new collaborators. You network and make friends, that's how it goes in every industry I imagine. So yes, in those groups, over the years, it has been a long standing running gag, and perhaps low hanging fruit, to make jokes about the integrity (or lack thereof) of certain influencers. ESPECIALLY of the ones that specialize in positivity and motivation. It has been a long long long long not-so-secret in those communities of who are who they claim to be, and who are less than legitimate. And as I mentioned, Jay was the butt of a LOT of jokes about plagiarism.
@chillie000 you have misunderstood my comment entirely, read it again. I am saying that what Jay Shetty has done is worse than what OP has done in mocking him.
It's amazing to me how many people are "the biggest ever" in their media niche with millions of followers yet I've never heard of them until some kind of scandal comes up. Makes me wonder how many people are large celebrities that are totally unknown to me. I guess it's best if they stay that way considering I only find out when something awful happens
I was in the school. Completed all the modules and then I was told I had to some other things that they told me in the beginning they got rid of those and that I didn’t need to worry about that anymore. So I tried to argue with them about it because I didn’t do any of it throughout the modules and it was gonna take me forever and then they said that they had to lock me out and I had to pay $500 a month now to get back into the program and finish what should’ve been completed through the entire process to be able to get my exams and all that done. Now I can’t get a hold of anybody. Nobody’s answering my emails or anything. Also, during the process of being in the school, it was very hard to interact with people and get the answers on what I needed to do or had questions if I was in quandary about something. That was supposed to be available and it really wasn’t. I ended up losing $7000.
I regularly go to the temple in Watford (in fact was married there) and i did the MSc Management course at Cass Business School. I can tell you, he has zero mental health credentials, qualifications or life experience which is relevant. He identified and perfected a shtick and built a 'brand identity' which could be sold in this format. That's it. There's nothing behind it. He is a qualified as anyone who grew up going to a Church semi-regulaly, went to university and doesn't mind making up stories.
Kinda shows how gullible the American government is. That, or they only did it cause he was popular. Gotta prop up the old puppets with hip new popular folks sitting by them. Really needs to be an age limit and better term limits all throughout the government.
I work at a huge corporation, that shall go unnamed. This individual was hired to do one of his “corporate mindfulness” chats. I had no idea who he was (guess I missed the social media boom). But decided to attend bc the chat was on “Purpose” and who doesn’t want to learn more about that topic? Five minutes in I noticed he was saying THE most generic things I had ever heard on the matter. And couldn’t fathom the hype.
Back in the years, I remember he was not that famous, he used to copy paste others' quotes and put them under his name and it was hard to verify unless it happened to you, which It did.
As an Indian man I always disliked ISCON and Jay Shetty. I felt ISCON took the generic shtick by con men gurus in India and re packaged it for the western world. And I felt Jay Shetty peddled generic stuff also taken from Conmen Gurus. But I just learned from this video that he was part of ISCON.
honestly in the current environment ,shetty just being half gujrati was a big red flag to me !lots of conmen/plutocrats/scams in the state dressed up as "dhandha" !
Too bad your feelings are just feelings . Isckon is doing really good works here in my are and is nowhere near a scam. Before of accusing someone can u please provide evidence of isckon scam? Jay shetty is an individual and his karma are his isckon doesnt have any part in it.
@@dhimankalita1690you kmow what narcissistic people have an empathetic front. The fromt doesn’t decides or can justify the bigger picture which clearly is negative
has anyone ever completed Jay's certification program and went on to a degree through his program? What happens if and when a person gets to that level? Do they get shut down by the uni? or do they accept them anyway?
I met him once. He would shuffle his feet so loudly...you could hear him coming long before you saw him... and seemed to have a lot going on inner monolog wise. He seemed a million miles away...not in the present moment whatsoever.
Kinda… to me they both have negative, but slightly different context. Life Coach - Someone trying to help another by encouraging them a lot and giving suggestions of what to do. Similar to an “inspirational speaker” but more one-on-one. Not really seen as a professional in psychology or health. Most of the time some average person (but. It limited to average) who’s charismatic and/or willing to listen but often gives attention in an unhealthy and overly dependent on the “life coach’s” way. Can be either bossy and pushy or placative and too nice. Fake Guru - Someone who claims to have a bunch of credentials and knowledge about a subject. In the context of today, a lot of people like this will use this to “grift” or trick people into giving them money, power, and fame. Definitely seen as a liar and a scam by people who know better. Those who don’t see through them fall into the lies. (Think of cult leaders, a lot of them can be categorized as Fake Gurus.) So yeah, that’s my thought on the difference. To me they’re not mutually exclusive but they’re both negative things to be in general. Hope I helped clarify!!!
pretty much what @Glitched_System_byte said, guru is a more authoritative figure and can be spiritual and mystical whereas life coach is telling you how to succeed in stuff. i think the two are kind of on either side of a spectrum and theres no clear line seperating them
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Hahah good one!
It’s a tough pill to swallow but zoomers and shockingly quite a few millennials still need to understand 90% of the inter webs is fake. The mIRC/BBS days of innocence have been long gone
Anthony Padilla be like:
don't forget to buy your established title and get yourself a nice meal from Blue Apron/Factor
White playing Raid: Shadow Legends
"His rise to fame really came through Facebook."
Well, that's all I really need to hear.
Fakebook; where boomers get radicalized postmodern cult followers.
i think that applies to meme pages, so i wouldn't take this guy seriously
Thought the exact same thing 😂 nothing good comes from Facebook
Facebook Videos is a cesspool.
Yeah facebook is pretty much a red flag😂
Thanks so much for having me on. If anyone has any information about Jay they'd like to share, please get in touch with me. I'm continuing to report on Jay.
Thank you so much John. I watched you first at Keya's world. Thank you for your work, professionalism, and courage you have to expose this. I'm glad that you have all the receipts to keep these "enlightened" ones to have accountability for their fraudulent actions. I hope all these other "gurus" get exposed and also get held accountability as well. Thank you
Thank you for doing this! Always found him sketchy.
good job man!
Thank you much for your work
Where can I send you screenshots of jay’s team phishing???
As a Sri Lankan Buddhist, i think i can safely say Buddhism and its practice in India and Sri Lanka are pretty similar. I can assure you that becoming a monk is not this easy. You cannot just go visiting a few sites, learn some history about the faith then call yourself a monk and go live in an Ashram. To become a monk you have to go through some rigorous training, learning the history and life of Buddha, gaatha's and prayers, Meditating and reaching a higher level of mindfulness is a huge part of it too. More so there's a huge stigma around leaving the monkhood once you have chosen it. Many don't and those who do are considered never to have truly wanted to follow the path. This man is basically exploiting this faith for personal gain
Sounds like abrahamic religions
He's an actor
Osho called, he would like his religious self-help movement back. 😅
@@gryff8400same story with that guy
@@DiamondsRexpensivefyi Abrahamic religions came after
"Corporate Mindfulness". What an absolute abomination of a phrase.
I agree
Yeah it kinda fell of the marketing cutting table...
Orwellian would be the appropriate word for it
@@cristosl Kafkaesque even more...
perhaps an oxymoron?
"'You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Dwayne Gretzky'
-Michael Scott"
-Jay Shetty
Dwayne Gretzky is a pretty good Canadian band. Just FYI
😂
Dwayne Gretzky isn't real, he can't hurt you
Some people in Canada: 😈
I’m mean it’s true… but point is the message is spread. Who cares who delivers it. 😊
@@PowaPop the problem isn't who delivers it, it's who takes credit for it
I think what made him famous was his looks combined with the British accent along with good sales skills. People who know how to utilize their looks along with their charm can sell anything. He can spew so much bullshit and people will still gravitate towards him.
Yup similar thing to Hubermann
🎯
Yes, (and as an Englishman, myself) I can tell that he's worked hard at that RP accent. I can often hear his "natural dialect" (and his limited grammar tbh) slip through and I cringe. It's also quite obvious that he hasn't REALLY read at all. He has only read quotes...and we all know about his quote "usage".
Exactly THIS!
@@Watchingvids01not even close....huberman is the real deal
My company (Silicon Valley based) paid Jay to have a sit down with our CEO last year and record a conversation for managers to help them with their mental health. I didn’t watch it because I read about the dude for 15 seconds and said “this guy is a grifter.” Turns out, my gut feeling was spot on.
It's WILD how many of us could sense Jay was a grifter from 100 miles away! I despised this guy the minute I looked into him, even a bit - bc it's OBVIOUS he's a scammer and fraud, grifting for $$$. Hope Coffee will put this video on his MAIN CHANNEL so more can learn the truth!
Agreed, I’ve always avoided his videos entirely, and even when family sent them to me, I haven’t watched. I’ve just felt like he’s somehow “off”, and I didn’t want him in my head. It’s totally odd that I felt that way about him, and he gives me an “ick”. This news makes sense to me.
@@pippaloves same here
Spot on! I never followed him on social media. I just couldn't bring myself to like his work because something seemed off about him.
@@pippaloveswhat's "ick" please?
Thanks
Eastern spirituality meets self help meets capitalism - what could possibly go wrong 🙄
Everything....
I’m a black American but these nut jobs need to leave Eastern religion out of their schemes in my opinion…but I guess being from the east gives him an excuse.
Gay Shitty
idk but somehow i feel like one outcome is goat yoga or puppy yoga
🤣
jay shetty wasnt ready for the void to stare back
Damn that’s a deep line
Ha
Haha! Great comment!
🤣love this
"Solo leveling" fan here? Am I right? That is literally the same line as in one of episodes of the anime.
When someone who claims that they have found their spiritual truth, comes back to live in the materialistic world again.. that itself is phony in itself. West needs to be aware of such "Gurus"
Well said 👏 and that’s coming from an indian
This world materializes itself through thoughts lol. The goal is to be both materialistic and Spiritual. You need a balance!
Plato's myth of the cave suggests that though. Learn the Truth, that's the "not so easy part", buta then you need tò go back out there and "teach the Truth". That action is accompanied by others not understanding you, and by self-doubt. That's the difficult, but necessary part to be a full "philosopher". At least for Plato though.
So spiritual people can’t have material desires? If that’s your idea of enlightenment, you’re far from it my friend
Edit: I don’t support Jey at all, I’ve always found him phony as fuck. It’s this comment that’s flawed, to which I’m responding.
True
*Coffee, PLEASE put this on your MAIN CHANNEL!!! More people need to know the truth about this grifter!!!!*
That's a Shetty situation 💯
lol
YES!
i shetty my pantsy
@@rem-san8359idontgiveashita
Fuck! Beat me to the joke
I've always disliked jay shetty, I never understood why he seemingly popped off from nowhere and became this figurehead in the podcast space. Something about him comes off as disingenuous.
His book is awesome
Couldn’t agree more, had to stop his book halfway through a few years back.
Everything about him seems disingenuous.
This is called a industry plant.
He is phoney.
He interviewed one of my favorites authors and I could watch (quit half way).
"Does the White House not vet credentials?"
He came recommended. That's how it works among the powerful, and it's what confuses us little people. The powerful are powerful because they come recommended by others of the powerful.
They literally let Dylan Mulvaney sit down with Biden.... Oh... and They let Biden be president. I mean.... it's all a show, it's pretty clear. I don't know who still takes them seriously?
the rich have class solidarity, we need to get on that shit. no war but class war
Spot on.
He lived in the Penthouse of my apartment building in Hollywood ($20k+/month). Drove Porsche and always coming in with shopping bags etc.
Guess the "lack of desire for materialistic goods" wasn't part of his monk training.
Anyone claiming to help people and then interview the Khardashians and use them as a symbol of idealism, should be taken as entertainment. Issue is he is he isn't marketing himself as an entertainer, he's claiming he will help you make your life better.
He's not a bad guy necessarily, but be clear that this is entertainment and then to hawk life products is just bad karma.
I think you are being overly generous, lol. For example, if he was a good guy, he would have already marketed himself by now as an entertainer. Let's face it he was only in it for himself.
@@neutral_10 I hate to pass judgement on anyone, although it is easier when people who claim to be "altruistic" are frauds. I think people start things with the best intentions and then once money/fame/recognition gets involved, they lose their way and forget why they even started the endeavor. He would be better served just rebranding as an entertainer than a life guru.
@@ArthurPhillip7 you're making my point if he was a well-intended guy he would have already done it.
@@neutral_10 yea I know. Alright we will call it: he's a trash person😂😂😂
He isn’t a bad person, he is only a Fraud 🙄
To try to understand why Jay Shetty is so successful is both impossible, as it requires understanding the entire, utterly bizarre world of self help, but also fascinating as he crosses boundaries from influencer (eg launching his wife, doing cute couple reels etc), grifter (launching supplement drink), guru (generic Westernised eastern philosophy), clout chaser (relentless pursuit of celebs, chiefly getting in with the dysfunctional Will and Jada Smith family who boosted his fame hugely), content-curator rip off merchant (freeloading cringe videos saying ‘leave a ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ if this touches you!), rider of the let’s-talk-about-mental-health wave, and self help coach. A slightly more nuanced point that might be hard to convey briefly to non-Indians, but it was evident from the very start that he was from an ISKCON background (a big community esp in north London, of whom I know many) and his story was complete nonsense, clearly designed to dupe Westerners. You can find very ordinary guys like him in the UK Hindu community around every corner, so fair play to him that he’s achieved so much with so little. Truly just a modern day version of the fake guru, as you said. I saw a comment once saying that he’s managed to make a multi-million dollar career out of monetising his eye colour…so perhaps that is what makes the difference 😅
i love ur interest in grifters lol
I like to see that voidzilla is where Dr Rohin's and my interests converge 😅
Absolutely! Unexpected (though in hindsight, perhaps not) but very welcome input from Shrodinger's beard himself! Perhaps an unwelcome topic for a new video idea (since you've talked about it before), but would be interesting to hear about your perspective re: impact on perceived trust in real professionals @MedlifeCrisis ?
Doc and Coffee collab??? smh maybe?
Okay, now I need to see a collab.
I think at this point I'm just naturally suspicious of anyone who comes across in a 'guru-like' fashion trying to open my eyes to some grand self truths. Maybe I'll miss someone useful, but I'd guess I'll be better off overall.
At least give people a chance so that you don't miss out on those useful people! There are gurus out there, and it's easy to tell when somebody has put time into becoming knowledgeable about a subject versus idiots who are trying to impress.
Typically gurus will be eager to communicate and help people to fully understand a subject, it should not be confusing, and if it is, it should be backed by congruent explanation. If you haven't watched this video and enjoyed coffees breakdowns, you have not just missed one of those useful people, but also engaging in their content and with their community. Coffee is a guru, and has basically said as much. Gurus just have bad reps, because it's slang for "f*king scientist in _", but for some people, especially for those who have been scammed, he has definitely provided some grand self truths in the old fashioned way, that is a person realizing something themselves, and to help them to be wary of schemes that they may be addicted to gambling on.
I think what you dislike is manipulation. A nasty thing that has also been around for a long time, can and often is used through religion, and is not true knowledge but the projection of it, a sociopathic tendency.
From the perspective of a Hindu, you already have what you need.
I’d be more trusting of anti-guru-like people…and even then I’d be careful, because when someone feels the need to tell you over and over again they are one thing, there’s a good chance they are the exact opposite. Like a villain named Mr. Niceguy! You should at least be cautious and do research before outright trusting them!
The dumb celebrities got served into a fake guru Jay
I’ve been off that stuff for about 2 years now. I was heavily into self help guru space and used to watch the liked of Jordan Peterson religiously. I know it’s a controversial take but I do think Peterson has gone off the deep end. Good psychologist, but he shouldn’t have become this false beacon of all knowing wisdom because he clearly isn’t. Anyway, just don’t watch the guru’s and channels alike and you’ll enjoy You Tube way more and more importantly, you’ll start feeling better because you’re not constantly bombarded with this generic image of your possible perfect self (that’s doesn’t exist anyway)
I would check credentials of his wife who wrote a book about nutrition while posting average recipes. They are simply influencers and nowadays it seems you only need followers to qualify for anything...
So so true! I absolutely despise this influencer culture we have these days! I miss the way the world was before FB and all of social media taking over!
This is so satisfying because my friend was swooning over this guy in 2019… I said “this guy is a baby, what does he know about marriage and careers - he has less life experience than I do. He just repeats inspirational quotes from other authors.”
She was upset, she said “but look at his beautiful eyes! I believe he is wise!”
So the claim that his brand is based on his eyes isn't so farfetched 😂.
Satisfying You do know this guy is also Lieing about Hindus and the Hare Krsnas about the prostitution and illegal activities right making it seem the organisation was responsible for all this bad stuff and not the individuals who joined and the left and most of them are not in the org today lol
Omfg.
It's ironic to me that your friend found his eyes so beautiful because it was his eyes that I thought were scary. It lacked depth
his eyes was creepy to me, that's kinda save me from being scam back in the day when he was all over FB, the moment I saw him, I blocked the account and never heard of him again til now.
In 6 months time - ‘Shetty Guru ~ a Netflix documentary’
With an intro by Elizabeth Holmes from her prison cell.
Netflix: Home of Grifter A holes
As someone who's studied South and East Asian mythology for a little while, the second you said he studied for three years and became a guru, I got suspicious. For any monastery, Christian included, it typically takes WAY LONGER than 3 years to become a teacher to others. Idk if that was obvious to others but I thought to point it out anyway.
Hindu (sanatan dharma ) is way complex to be in any years, it says the religious script can’t even begin to scratch the surface in one life. Well he probably studied 3 years cause I see he learned nothing. He is a con man 😂
there is so much literature in islam as well and you have to learn the life of the holy prophet and his followers before you become an imam. That takes 7 years before you're considered qualified. And Islam is not as old as one of the oldest religions or beliefs in the world such as bhuddism or hinduism which has so much to cover before you learn everything about the spirituality philosophy. So 3 years sounds like Elizabeth holmes dropping out after a year and saying she engineered a new way of drawing blood 👹
Many thanks to Mr.McDermott for taking the time and effort of actually documenting this "black on white", and hopefully it can help some people who otherwise would have been "taken in" by this hustler...
Shout out to a genuine journalist doing his research 👏
"I used to watch coffezilla" (Jay Shetty)
Came here to put this comment! 🤣👌🏼🥇
😂
Lool
Gay Shitty
I dont get it
He's been exposed so many times and somehow it never sticks. I really don't get his appeal
Cuz he’s a brown dude with beautiful eyes.
@@HighTide_808beautiful?
Pretty privilege
nice eyes
Boomers don’t watch these expose videos
This is a great expose! I've lived in India all my life and I must tell you more about spiritual organisations here. Firstly, monks go through rigorous training for years if not decades, before they are ordained as monks. They have to live in the monastary to do so. Also, ISCON is mostly looked at as a corruption of a spiritual organisation for the obvious reasons you have mentioned.
Jay Shetty is not a monk or even remotely spiritual. He's a media genius selling tge nonsense people are eager to pay for. It must be a huge embarassment for the White House) Its amazing what social media skills can build. Gary Vee should interview him 😂
I'm a Hare Krishna and becoming one changed my life immeasurably for the better..
True story, it's a wonderful way of life & everyone who's taken-up Krishna consciousness will verify my testimony.
Exactly as Indians it’s so obvious to us what he is lol😂
We Indians know the huge difference between spirituality and self help 😁
And we've seen a lot of scammers in both 😂
I am Indian and a Hindu, my dad bought one of his books from the airport and i told him this guy seems a little shady cause i see him just everywhere speaking to all these celebs. I thought to myself,"Why does he want to read a British Indian's book on spirituality and stuff when he has Bhagavat Gita and other scriptures at his disposal?😂" .
Sometimes I wonder why "we" need this long time to expose him
Because people fight the truth!!! Every time someone called him out it’s was them being a hater - now that a big CZcamsr is doing it, it’s different and the truth. People don’t want to listen to their fellow audience neighbors, they want it from people behind the screen because it feels like the news or more legit
Let's be honest. This is a nothingburger of a scandal. No exposing happened. Given his charisma, I'm shocked this is all they have on him.
Pretending to have a degree in behavioural science & using that to give advice is reckless & dangerous.
It’s fraudulent behavior, probably what his major was
@@pcla.94 It's not even offered by the university, nor is the degree he currently has listed on his website.
@@pcla.94Through lived experience, not academic qualifications, evidently.
Typical narcissistic behavior, in every sense.
This Jay guy sounds like a really Shetty dude.
Common Shafer W
Cool to see you there! When Will be the next bomba?
I see what you did there!
NORM!!!!!!!!!!
He and his wife relied on being an attractive couple with pretty eyes. Never trusted them 😜
I find it strange they look so much a like 😅 seems a bit narcissistic to me 😅
Clones ? Maybe Controlled opposition? we may never know
His eyes ain’t pretty. Felt shady.
I really liked his wife when she first started out but now all her posts are sponsored or trying to sell her products. It’s too bad. Also I have suspicion that they’re separated but have to stay together for publicity
I never trusted Jesus and the Church either
Religion is a deep personal truth. Anybody who tries to commoditise it eventually ends up engaging in these scams. This shit is sad and shameful. Ironic how it defeats the core philosophies of Hinduism.
Religion is a scam by itself, so it is no wonder scammers use the framework of religion in their own scams. It is the scam template. Be atheist instead.
The term 'Mental Health' has been disgracefully taken advantaged of and mistreated in recent years. By those on both sides of the fence!
Like how people are now just *used* to weaponized therapy speak.
it's no longer about help. It's now another category for capitalism to take advantage of
@@Muhluriyet its the so called socialists pushing it all
@Muhluri where insurance companies go, rampant corruption and social decay will follow.
I've seen so many narcissists' use it
I have never felt so validated! A couple of years ago I was a mod for a small streamer who was so into J Shetty. I messaged her privately to warn her not to fall for people like this. I had a near miss in the past with a different charismatic spiritual healing "guru". She fully threw me out of her community and said I didn't fit anymore. Thank you so much for bringing this petty little giggle into my life today!
I would absolutely send this vid with a casual "😏"
No elaboration.
No response.
weird cult-like behaviour: Only surround yourself with yes-men and never be skeptical of what you are listening to.
The saddest part is that it is usually the most vulnerable people who get exploited by these grifters
Respect for going with your intuition!
GET A LIFE DUDE
L simp modding for a girl streamer😂
Nicole Arbour called him out over 4 years ago! She realised he was plagiarising all his ‘guru advice’ and as an Indian, I could smell his BS from 4000 miles away 😂
True. But do you also smell the BS in Jaggi?
I used to listen to him and I stopped because it started feeling really inauthentic. He started brining in the most random stars as opposed to mental health professionals, researchers, etc who really had no reason to be on the podcast but coincidentally had a book coming out or a new project I stopped. Listening to all this I’m 😮😮
Same
'A spiritual guide for celebrities'
Yeah that definitely seems like reliable source.
Some such gurus appear to be part of blackmail rings
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anyone who proclaims and acts like they have the answers is always full of Shetty
bro followed the "fake it till you make it" tactics
I like the kitchen background. It makes a change from the usual "bookcase interview" background 😂
Jay Shetty has a bunch of legitimate degrees. On average he has 98.6 Degrees.
Everybody, dis-robe!
He's a big fan of 98 degrees.
He can’t even homeostasis bro
Allegedly he prefers the Kelvin scale because it's absolutely based and puts him into three figures. Which is way more degrees than other people. 😂
Every Shetty in India has a bar or restaurant...
I think Jay Shitty is successful because he is charming, rubs elbows with other narcissists, has excellent word salad skills and most importantly, is a very handsome Indian dude with piercing green eyes.
I agree with everything you said except for the last part…green eyes or not, he’s very very average. This is coming from an attractive Indian girl.
If any of those X celebs, politicians, uber rich names are following X guru, you know who to avoid at all costs.
Overly positive internet personas have always gave me the ick
Like that cringe Dhar Mann b.s.
@Iron-Bridge wasn't he exposed of bring a horrible person?
Because they’re all overcompensating narcissists. A good person wouldn’t constantly feel the need to show everyone how positive they are.
particularly those who have anything to sell. automatically utter bull.shit.
Like the “flowing waters running deep” guy on YT? I forgot his name but I would cringe everytime he said that.
This definitely explains why I could never finish any of his podcasts. They always came off as disingenuous, he always spoke as if he was more important and made everyone aware how important he was to the guest on each episode.
I've always been sceptical about these gurus. Sooner or later they have always been found to be scammers 😢
Honestly, this video should be on your main channel
I thought it was but realized it lacked editing. Maybe it will be if coffee uncovers anything himself from more sources.
It definitely should be on his main channel right unless he is planning a detailed expose for his main channel.
What’s his main channel
@@KatM272 It's "@coffeezilla"
Yeah, it's disappointing it will receive less views bc it's om Coffee's side channel. His followers deserve to know the truth about this grifter!!
16:40 The reason Jay lies about having credentials instead of just saying it's his opinion is that the people who pay $8,000 for his course are often struggling and/or not wealthy. They see it as an investment to get them out of their struggles. The credentials give them a sense of security to pay what is usually all they have left. Most scam victims are usually poor or struggling people who envy the rich scammer taking their money.
investment worth taking with credit. this is at the root at all self help scams. "it doesn't cost money, it makes money".
In a closed system, such as human society, the only way to accrue wealth is to steal it from or deprive others of it.
What does being poor or struggling have to do with being impressed by credentials. Rich people are even more impressed by credentials and have even more money to spend on what they think are amazing credentials. Your comment makes no sense; if anything lying about his credentials is better for scamming rich and educated people. Broke people can’t be as choosy.
@@deepfriedokra " credentials is better for scamming rich and educated people. " actually no. his pseudo credentials don't work on most wealthy people, they may work on new money people and the odd straggler here and there - but look man the wealthy don't stay wealthy by falling for this kind of scam every year.
they're faux credentials, wealthy educated people who are truly that can see past that. uneducated poorer people who have no idea how the "rich mans" circles operate and what is bullshit and what isn't bullshit have harder time telling the difference. a person who went to university can tell if someone is just scamming about their academical credentials much more probably than some dude who just barely learnt to read can.
"just trust me bro I'm educated and rich" just doesn't work on the educated and rich as well as it does on people who are envious of the rich and have no idea how things work, what is a reasonable amount of money and what is an exceptionally exceptional amount of money, they have no capability to spot bullshit in that regard. please note that what is rich at a certain point just becomes a thing in the mind and that the people who think they're not rich/wealthy are more at risk of falling for these scams - there's no actual objective line for it when you're wealthy/normal/poor, after all some people eat enough fast food to get to 600 pounds while thinking they did that because they're in poverty.
@@deepfriedokrano. Their comment does make sense. Rich people can splurge the money around but for those who cannot afford are given an assurance that they are putting their money with the right person because of so and so credential.
Considering the plague of self help monks today, everybody has a choice. Even the poor. That is why it is important to lure them with credentials.
The degree is called Business Management in the US - it has absolutely nothing to do with self-help or psychology or therapy.
As an Indian who understands caste dynamics its not so surpising that Shetty is made such a big stature, given his associations with "Hare Krishna" organizations (i guess ISKCON). I dont think he would have made it so far without the dedicated support of oppressor caste diaspora in USA. I totally agree on what you mentioned about the whole "Vedic monk" bullshit. Its just another term to create mysticism and loot the masses. There is an epidemic of such "Vedic" influencers here in India.
Excellent point
This. This is exactly what I felt. Excellent!
As a indian who understands caste dynamics it is no surprise people like you will involve xaste even when it has no role to play . The constant self victimization and targetting people on the basis of caste even when caste plays no part in the incident has become popular. ISCKON itself trying to eradicate caste . Once you join isckon u have to let go of the caste superiority so i don't know what mental gymnastics u just played to blame isckon of caste discrimination
@@dhimankalita1690 there was no self victimisation. You construed it to be.
@@prachim_ the op himself is castiest assuming an individual can't do fraud and if he does he has to be supported by castiest . Can you tell me how caste and jay shettys fraud are related?did u not see how comment CONSTRUCTED a caste angle here when it has no role to play in this particular angle
Jay gave a speaking engagement at my workplace in his Facebook era. He spent the whole time quoting questionable studies. Very weird vibe of overcompensation.
Overcompensation is always a giveaway…I’ve never trusted a person who is overly charming. Always rubs me the wrong way…intuitively, I’ve always known there’s some inauthenticity beneath a person with too much charisma.
I agree with your take on the overall case. The issue I have with the western world is associating a religious/spiritual organization with fringe members while ignoring every religious organization in america has the same if not similar criticisms. There is a blatant bias when overlooking these things
Boss, ISKCON is a fake cult
so glad you're covering this, it's such a wild story and Jay is such a grifter. I'm glad other people are finally talking about it
8k views in 20 minutes. There are fans, and then there's the void that captures us all.
Eh, fell off tbh
@@RJTradessbeat me to it
No expects the void
It’s a second channel post though…
@@yessicajessicaa1400 it’s okay friend we’re playing off a joke where we say “2 views in 0 seconds, he fell off”
Vishen Lakhiani founder of Mindvalley also needs to be investigated
He is another mindful 🧘🏽♀️ GURU
I can’t stand that guy.
All these places and people just feel shady
There’s a vice documentary on CZcams about mindvalley in which you will see some disgusting behaviours of the founder
Oh yeah. I can’t handle that guy. He opens his mouth and within seconds you can tell he is just talking crap.
They make it so difficult to unsubscribe from their newsletter and that says a lot
I appreciate your sharing this video. I have always been skeptical of that individual's claims and do not endorse or follow such individuals.
I'm from India. We always take self-help gurus and Yogis with a pinch of salt. We have had a larger sampler size to make decisions from in India. That's why we are sceptical when such gurus, yogis or godmen come to the fold. Another matter is, do you still believe White House vets such people? They just look at the PR they can get from such fake influencers. This is the how the world of politics work.
I'm a UK resident and yes there are no universities that have this programme, they are not funded to deliver these kind of courses at all
These people who tell you that they can solve your problems or give you purpose or whatever.....are usually frauds, because no one else can do that for you, only you can get yourself a purpose no one else
Bro that's some great advice at the end, how much do I owe you for this session,
Jesus gives eternal life
Cool. Thanks man.
@@jzilla1234 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MosesDzarmahTechslizeffffffffaaaarrrrrt
Anyone on Stephen Bartlett's podcast these days is worth doing an exposé on.
NGL, listened to the "Think Like a Monk" audiobook because it was free on my Spotify plan and it was super helpful to me in some parts, really useful in practical ways to deal with emotion/feelings etc.
But after listening to the audiobook and wanting to learn more about Jay's story and possibly get some more "insights" and ways to manage my life, I found his website and signed up to the newsletter.
Boy was that a mistake!
All of a sudden I'm bombarded with emails offering all kinds of nonsense with a view to selling me his subscriptions/courses/whatever.
No thanks dude, I'm good.
Was really disappointed after what I thought was a really cool book.
Guess I was the typical "Westerner" he was targeting but I was savvy enough to see through his BS marketing afterwards 😂
Anyhow, appreciated the insight you guys gave into the shameful way he's going about marketing his stuff - particularly the fabricated university affiliations. What a dog!!!
Why would a university not share info on what degree an alumnus has? Isn't that the whole point of a degree? So people can verify your qualifications?
That’s what diplomas are for
You get a diploma at the end if you need to prove that you have a degree. Universities, in the UK at least, are required to guard the personal information they hold and not just hand it out to anyone who asks.
@@Jay-on9oganyone can make a diploma, whether it's legit or not is far less simple
Possibly something to do with GDPR or, post-Brexit, the Data Protection Act.
@@lauraswinton8458 Correct
I understand the importance of privacy laws, but it feels somewhat odd to not be able to independently verify someone's educational qualifications.
Is it any wonder that the UK had a bunch of unqualified nurses (and maybe doctors, but what I read focused on nurses) when employers can't background check potential employees so they just don't bother
I had the same thought. Where can I buy an Oxford Hoodie ?
If you belive people based on acredidations you are falling for appeal to authority bias.
The person saying the words is entirely independent of the truth of the words.
@@Dogo.R That is true but unrelated to the point. The entire purpose of a degree is to show that you have some qualifications in a subject. You might think degrees are worthless, and they might be, but the point of them is so other people can see what you've studied.
I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately of discovering that hardly anyone claiming to be a therapist in the UK has any graduate degree in it, let alone a license. And it just is the way it is, apparently.
I’m a year short of my masters and I’m more qualified than 90% of UK based therapists I find on LinkedIn. It feels weird.
Reason I avoid social media motivational speakers aka businessmen!
I'd say most Indians, including me, were side eyeing him from the beginning
I dissagree on this
Is it because you've seen too many fake gurus who are in it for the money?
Naah, he is right. I remember people being sceptical of him even long back ago in Indian Book forums and subreddits. Most of his 'became a monk' stuff felt very superficial, which maybe someone from the west would ignore.
Now, I wouldn't say that people thought he was an outright fraud, but he never came across as genuine or legit especially after the plagiarism accusations.@@Gandingas
This is true.
I’ve received this exact response from a lot of people of Indian heritage.
He's basically a mental health predator
“Predator”?? He’s just a phony.
sounds pretty terrifying when you put it like that.... 😉
“Metal health”😂
omg. this is the first time I've hear this term & I love it. I hate it, but I love it.
idk, i used to believe „if your instinct say no. then better to stop than to proceed and just stay away.“
my instinct regarding of him was just like that.
i can’t describe it, but there just „something off“ to my preference. 😅
Omg, this is a shocker, i am quite disappointed. The guru is a scam!? Golly... speechless.😮
i am hindu and a lot of us have been skeptical of him from the start. i just dont think anyone cared enought to disprove him but always thought he was a hack
I saw just 1 interview he did and when he said "last year I started to be kind to people I interact with, like in the past I would not greet or talk to my taxi driver, but now I do and it has changed me" I knew he was a pretentious fraud and a plant. Such a guru 🙄
But he never claimed to be a guru as far as I know, isn’t?
Years ago, I I had this spiritual awakening, I began on a spritual path that still means a lot to me, but like a lot of people, I stumbled across a lot of online gurus. At first some of their stuff seemed cool, but then I got a weird vibe - like it felt hypocritical, or too "hustle-culture-y" and masculine brute force - I,E, abundance mindset in terms of BRUTE FORCING a millionaire mindset... it all came across like it was about exploiting spirituality for profit. Not just Jay but loads of others. Especially the whole idea of that MindValley shit. I am so tired of the victim-blamey shit and the "just choose to be happy" nonsense. If you have Trauma (like CPTSD) you literally can NOT just suddenly "make yourself happy" and I think the healing process is often not linear (from pain/sorrow to suddenly thinking yourself joyful and rich??) - it's almost counterintuitive because it gets you feeling like a failure if you can't manifest yourself out of literal mental illness - like it poses these unrealistic expectations on yourself to unfuck yourself enough to manifest massive wealth and as such it actually just makes you feel WORSE.
Self help! I watched Jay shetty one time and I couldn’t anymore. I was like this is. waste of time he’s saying nothing about everything to me!
Saw him once, got a weird vibe and never went back.
Always (almost) listen to your intuition. 🙏
same boat
The first time i saw an Andrew Tate short on YT b4, i knew who he was and said, "This guy is creepy and seems at least a little sexist." Bout a month later, i learned who he was and felt like my instincts have never been so acute for a 30-second clip.
Exactly I agree. He said something off and I was like nope I’m done.
Same. Didn't understand why he was so popular.
it was the dramatic style editing that did it for me.
Ah yes, the spiritual Mecca of Watford! 🙏🏼😇
Wellington is on the Metropolitan
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Something always seemed off to me about him
He is an Indian what were you expecting . Sadguru is same .
Ah really? I like sadguru. Is he a scammer too? 😢
@@shivapazoki1881 see he tells his followers to follow the pseudo medicine ayur veda and not to trust modern medicine and science . And last week so he got an heart attack , he took all the best benefit of modern medicine and science , he himself claims he never read vedas and any other scripture yet he preached about it. Because of him and many scammers like him are just renaming the modern medicine and converting it into ayur veda for money . They have been scamming hard . And indians life expectancy have decreased a lot , lol, since ayur veda came into light
You had me at "worked at Accenture" 😂
lmaoo
I know, right?
I’m not surprised he’s a grifter guru! He always had this air of faux spiritualism mixed with pop psychology!
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I don't follow him, but if people think meditation does not work, then they've never experienced anxiety or tried meditation. I have been free from panic attacks since I started learning meditation. The core principles of awareness, mind, and body are very effective in dealing with stress and anxiety.
South Indians youth or adults can choose to go through a period of joining an ashram and living a monk-like existence. This is generally as a growth experience and to find your path. In no way does this prepare you to be giving advice to others, and you are no in any way a guru or teacher.
If it’s wearing a turtle neck and isn’t Steve Jobs don’t buy what they are selling.
you shouldnt buy what steve jobs was selling either...
Jobs was a monster too
Funny.
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Maybe but at least his “magic” is……….tangible.
All he had to do was allow himself to be photographed in a turtleneck and a sport coat to lose my trust.
As soon as I saw the picture, it was like he was cast in a movie as the psychiatrist
Your comment made me burst out laughing all the way down here in Australia. 🇦🇺
Cheers for the giggles. 😂
Ah, there it is. Knew it wasn’t only me.
That says a LOT about you ahahaha. Have a good life.
Racial profiling?
Thank you for sharing this. Lot of Jay’s stuff did not appeal or had missing pieces.. I think he clicked on the US because of his accent.. not even so much the questionable mysticism
As Indian we knew from very earlier that he is no monk . From his speeches you can say that 😂
So he's Arianna Huffington's Deepak Chopra.
I worked over a decade full time editing for... I'm not gonna say but let's just say it's in the Jay Shetty bubble. All the editors that work for these guys all talk behind closed doors. It's been a running joke for years that Jay plagiarizes. We've been mocking his bold faced plagiarism on social media for years now. I still got facebook DM's of editors mocking Jay from all the way back in 2015. In our editor's group convos we'd always make the same joke, which would be along the lines of popping into the group convo and say something like:
"To be or not to be, that is the question..." -Jay Shetty
or for another example
"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You" - Jay Shetty
stuff like that. But yeah, we all knew.
Sounds like you and the others in this group that you seem to think you were in, are worse.
@@gifi4 I may be a little slow, but I'm having a difficult time comprehending exactly what you are saying. Group that I seem to think I was in? I've never worked for Jay personally, the guy I've worked for is a good solid guy and has always been honest about who he is and where he comes from and always been honest with his audience. I don't want to mention his name as not to drag him into any undeserved drama. But two things to note:
(1) Every single one of these big influencers have entire teams working under them. For every Jay Shetty, Tony Robbins, Prince Ea, Dharr Mann, David Goggins or Gary Vaynerchuk, there is a small army of videographers, editors, social media managers, etc. standing behind them. During the heyday of motiviational influencers, behind the curtain, I was the fuckin man. Every single influencer in that space has worked with me or reached out to me at one point or another. Jay reached out to me before, but to date I've never done a project with him.
(2) Just like gamer communities, youtuber communities, and so on, those armies of editors, videographers, graphic designers, colorists, sound guys, production assistants, etc. are all very much part of a tight knit community as well. I've been in many many group chats with people who work for (you name it) at one time or another. Whenever there's a team project you'll end up in a group chat, sometimes with close friends, sometimes with brand new collaborators. You network and make friends, that's how it goes in every industry I imagine.
So yes, in those groups, over the years, it has been a long standing running gag, and perhaps low hanging fruit, to make jokes about the integrity (or lack thereof) of certain influencers. ESPECIALLY of the ones that specialize in positivity and motivation. It has been a long long long long not-so-secret in those communities of who are who they claim to be, and who are less than legitimate. And as I mentioned, Jay was the butt of a LOT of jokes about plagiarism.
@@gifi4 hiw is mocking someone for plagiarism worse than doing plagiarism and ripping people off? Lmao
@@Gordon.PinkertonJay, is that you? 😅
@chillie000 you have misunderstood my comment entirely, read it again. I am saying that what Jay Shetty has done is worse than what OP has done in mocking him.
It's amazing to me how many people are "the biggest ever" in their media niche with millions of followers yet I've never heard of them until some kind of scandal comes up. Makes me wonder how many people are large celebrities that are totally unknown to me. I guess it's best if they stay that way considering I only find out when something awful happens
I was in the school. Completed all the modules and then I was told I had to some other things that they told me in the beginning they got rid of those and that I didn’t need to worry about that anymore. So I tried to argue with them about it because I didn’t do any of it throughout the modules and it was gonna take me forever and then they said that they had to lock me out and I had to pay $500 a month now to get back into the program and finish what should’ve been completed through the entire process to be able to get my exams and all that done. Now I can’t get a hold of anybody. Nobody’s answering my emails or anything. Also, during the process of being in the school, it was very hard to interact with people and get the answers on what I needed to do or had questions if I was in quandary about something. That was supposed to be available and it really wasn’t. I ended up losing $7000.
I regularly go to the temple in Watford (in fact was married there) and i did the MSc Management course at Cass Business School. I can tell you, he has zero mental health credentials, qualifications or life experience which is relevant. He identified and perfected a shtick and built a 'brand identity' which could be sold in this format. That's it. There's nothing behind it.
He is a qualified as anyone who grew up going to a Church semi-regulaly, went to university and doesn't mind making up stories.
"Interviewed the President on mental health" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Interviewed the wolf on veganism 😂😂😂
well if you want to understand cancer you go to the tumor lol
scored 0/100
Kinda shows how gullible the American government is. That, or they only did it cause he was popular. Gotta prop up the old puppets with hip new popular folks sitting by them. Really needs to be an age limit and better term limits all throughout the government.
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I work at a huge corporation, that shall go unnamed. This individual was hired to do one of his “corporate mindfulness” chats. I had no idea who he was (guess I missed the social media boom). But decided to attend bc the chat was on “Purpose” and who doesn’t want to learn more about that topic? Five minutes in I noticed he was saying THE most generic things I had ever heard on the matter. And couldn’t fathom the hype.
Back in the years, I remember he was not that famous, he used to copy paste others' quotes and put them under his name and it was hard to verify unless it happened to you, which It did.
Always nice to see folks who are knowledgeable and articulate join you in the void.
As an Indian man I always disliked ISCON and Jay Shetty. I felt ISCON took the generic shtick by con men gurus in India and re packaged it for the western world. And I felt Jay Shetty peddled generic stuff also taken from Conmen Gurus. But I just learned from this video that he was part of ISCON.
honestly in the current environment ,shetty just being half gujrati was a big red flag to me !lots of conmen/plutocrats/scams in the state dressed up as "dhandha" !
Too bad your feelings are just feelings . Isckon is doing really good works here in my are and is nowhere near a scam. Before of accusing someone can u please provide evidence of isckon scam? Jay shetty is an individual and his karma are his isckon doesnt have any part in it.
@@dhimankalita1690 Don't you dare call ISCON hindu theology it just uses Hinduism for profit.
Totally... he is just a modern day Osho... and they fell for it again... He is a disgusting combo of ISCON + half Gujju + Brahmin + Brit
@@dhimankalita1690you kmow what narcissistic people have an empathetic front. The fromt doesn’t decides or can justify the bigger picture which clearly is negative
has anyone ever completed Jay's certification program and went on to a degree through his program? What happens if and when a person gets to that level? Do they get shut down by the uni? or do they accept them anyway?
I met him once. He would shuffle his feet so loudly...you could hear him coming long before you saw him... and seemed to have a lot going on inner monolog wise. He seemed a million miles away...not in the present moment whatsoever.
English is not my native language, I thought "Live Coach" and "Fake Guru" were interchangeable "job" titles?
Yes but actually not
Life* coach
correct
Kinda… to me they both have negative, but slightly different context.
Life Coach - Someone trying to help another by encouraging them a lot and giving suggestions of what to do. Similar to an “inspirational speaker” but more one-on-one. Not really seen as a professional in psychology or health. Most of the time some average person (but. It limited to average) who’s charismatic and/or willing to listen but often gives attention in an unhealthy and overly dependent on the “life coach’s” way. Can be either bossy and pushy or placative and too nice.
Fake Guru - Someone who claims to have a bunch of credentials and knowledge about a subject. In the context of today, a lot of people like this will use this to “grift” or trick people into giving them money, power, and fame. Definitely seen as a liar and a scam by people who know better. Those who don’t see through them fall into the lies. (Think of cult leaders, a lot of them can be categorized as Fake Gurus.)
So yeah, that’s my thought on the difference. To me they’re not mutually exclusive but they’re both negative things to be in general.
Hope I helped clarify!!!
pretty much what @Glitched_System_byte said, guru is a more authoritative figure and can be spiritual and mystical whereas life coach is telling you how to succeed in stuff. i think the two are kind of on either side of a spectrum and theres no clear line seperating them
Never heard of Jay Shetty before. I guess I missed the bullet.
You're not the only one. Didn't recognize name or the image in the thumbnail at all.
It is called „ narcissistic „!