Bosnia on verge of becoming 'landlocked'
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Croatia's Peljesac Bridge is a prerequisite to enter the borderless Schengen Area. In doing so, however, the project risks undermining Bosnia’s tiny coastline.
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Based Croatia, just cuck Bosnia.
The height of the bridge is not questionable simply because there is no sea depth for large ships ... for safe passage. The only option would be for Croatia to dig the seabed in its waters ... but that will never happen LOL
I don't think Bridge is a problem, when it is completed all this talk will be forgotten.
Btw very good video with correct information
Could you make an update video on the situation in yemen
Please do Geopolitics of ANGOLA
I am Bosniak myself. As far I I can notice, the whole political and media crap about this bridge is total stupidity.
Neum is small town of 5.000 people. They ALL live by tourism and want to stay like that. Neum sea area IS NOT suitable for sea port. If there is ever gonna be a big sea port it would destroy natural habitat and tourism of that area, and nobody wants that. So, Neum WILL NEVER BE a sea port. Simple as that.
There is port of Ploce, as is mentioned in this video. Bosnia and Croatia signed a special treaty upon independence so Bosnia can use port of Ploce to transport goods from there to its teritory. Same as all people in Neum live from tourism, all people in Ploce live by revenues and transport of Bosnian goods in their port. So, port of Ploce is enough for sea transportation of Bosnian goods to Bosnia. Even Croatian membership did not change anything regarding this.
When it comes to transport of people from one part of Croatia to Dubrovnik region, it caused anxiety to both countries, because traffic jams and border checks were just impossible to handle. Neum is very small town, it has too many tourists who stay in town, plus people who are doing transit from Ploce area to Dubrovnik. It is just too much with 4 border checks in distance of 20 km.
Peljesac bridge will be good for Croatia to cpnnrct its two landmasses and for Neum and Bosnia to give themselves a break and invest in tourism in Neum more.
There is already ongoing construction just northern of Neum where Bosnian authorrities in Federation are biilding a tunnel that will shorten distance between town of Stolac and Neum. This will bring many many more Bosnian tourists to Neum. And with Peljesac bridge in function Neum will be able to enjoy full potential of tourism and not be overcrowded always by cars that are just transpassing to Dubrovnik.
Both, Bosnian and Croatian, politicians are just using this matter to promote their own agendas, same as they use anything else. Ordinary people in both countries are totally aware of potential of this bridge for both countries and do not waste their time arguing about nothing.
I am a Bosniak. This man is right!
Good lord! So there's a major project in the Balkans that's NOT going to start a fight?
There's a first!
BTW, Every image of the area is beautiful, both scenery & architecture. Congrats!
@@tsubadaikhan6332 We don't fight here. We love each other and respect. Others made us fight, they used the stupid people here and the corrupten politicians of every Nation and the poor people had to pay and are paying the price...
Paid troll
@@mindbodyspirit7349 we don't love each other or respect and second war is inevitable, thats because the serbians and croats. Bosnia will survive with Allah blessing.
More from the Balkans please!
I will consider it if you get enough votes.
Same!
The Balkans is the future of Humanity🥇🥇🥇
@@sebastianbratu1502 hahahaha,we are waiting for everyone else to self-destruct and then we will Balkanise the WORLD!
@@CaspianReport i mean you have so many video topics here.Balkan is a never ending conflict and it is always nice to fight in the comments on ethnic basis.
It is a tragedy that Bosnian aircraft carriers won't be able anymore to exit Bosnian waters on their way to the missions in world's oceans.
Lol
Shots fired
@Dino Cengic dude just play a video game acting this murderous even online is not smart
Hahaha good
Dude, that burn was too much
So, let's get it straight, seabed isn't deep enough for ships entering Neum, they are already using croatian seaport, and now a bridge is consider to be like a wall for Bosnia? Come on, use logic people
@@damirbato5686 you need help my friend, you came out from the most deepest backwords balkan kitchen with that medevial scent
@@damirbato5686 You are deeply disturbed, I suppose it is an aftereffect of living in practically non functional country that counts its last days.
Hvala. Some fucking common sense.
@@damirbato5686 The height of the bridge was determined so that the largest ship that can turn around in Neum bay can pass under it. So the depth is not an issue here as the sea bed can always be excavated deeper.
@@damirbato5686 the only reason Bosnia even OWNS Neum is because the Ragusean Republic didn't want a land border with Venetian Dalmatia so they ceded some territory North and South to the Ottomans
Man that area and coastline is beautiful, also love the architecture.
My Croatia😌
Pictures are of Bosnia and Croatia.
@@tarci2994 no no.. pictures are of Hercegovina and Croatia 😊
It was real fun defending it 30 years ago, 80% of the country was basically a frontline, you couldn't design a worse geographic picture
EDIT : just FYI, the Serbian tanks were rolling through Bosnia onto us, not just the Serbian border, they were just everywhere in 1991, the Bosnians actually cheered them on, believing their lies, unfortunately
@@tarci2994 don't waste time xD it's merely jokes... my buddy is in BiH army and they always fuck with each other like that. He who takes it seriously is a loser. Cheers from Split and you have my support with the USK migrant invasion.
12 meters short of the golden gate bridge? I doubt bosnia will be sailing Nimitz class super carriers underneath the bridge.
Seriously though: San Francisco Bay Area wouldn't be the international trade power house that it is today if the Golden Gate Bridge was 12 meters lower than it is today. That mere 12 meter difference determines what long term future Bosnia has of having a significant port or not. Containerization dominates every country's future... which sucks. Its like I'm the only 1 making comments who thinks this is a very real, very grave problem for the long term future of the Balkans. Hopefully, your right (and I'm wrong) about it being a big deal to a lasting peace for our descendents.
@@scottwarthin1528 container ships are quite a bit shorter than Nimitz class aircraft carriers. they'll fit under that bridge.
@@TheLifesentence2278 Nimitz class carrier has a draft of 12.5 m. There are cargo ships with a higher draft.
@@seneca983 8.3-16 meters how tall was that bridge again?
Actually that was one of the examples that Bosnian "expert" Mr Alikadic quoted (czcams.com/video/1MC2c6LBk0s/video.html) as a reason that there should be no bridge at all - "If any bridge is there an airplane cannot take off from an aircraft carrier that is passing under it." Unfortunately, he did not figure out that such large ship could not turn inside the tiny and shallow Neum bay.
As a Civil engineering student with background in Bridge engineering, I can say that the height of the bridge (55m) is within its rights for the safe passage of freight under it the longest bridge in Europe (Øresund between Malmö and København, which I recently did a dissertation on) is 57m above sea level and has a sea lane under it (even if most are diverted around it) also I would assume that the 67m of the Golden Gate bridge is in line with Americans codes of practice rather than Eurocodes hence the discrepancy
As far as I know, the height of the bridge is not an issue but the shallow water underneath the highest point of the bridge. Yes, it's tall enough but ships can't sail it so the height becomes irrelevant and useless and that's the whole issue with this bridge.
@@kolobara08 you make more sense then phillip.
@@kolobara08 Koji brodovi, kruh te hranio?! Kmečite kaj da ste pomorska nacija 🤣
@@kolobara08 Sva ta priča oko izgradnje luke za velike brodove u Neumu je velika glupost. Ne znam gdje ćete sagraditi tu famoznu luku u Neumu,. Već sada nemate mjesta (prostora) da sagradite jedan hotel, a kamoli luku. Za izgradnju vam treba dosta prostora, a u Neumskom zaljevu vam toga nema. Bilo kamo da se okrenete, evo vas na Hrvatskom teritoriju. Ili pak vi to mislite da vam je to kutija šibica, koju možete staviti u džep. Gdje vam je infrastruktura, znaći avtocesta i željeznica. Ili čete sav ta teret voziti po vazduhu avionima?! Pomirite se sa činjenicom da Hrvatska gradi most na svojojo teritoriji i da ima svu pravo za povezivanje dva dijela države.
@@Lipanj92 Da slijedecih 100 god BiH nema niti jednog camca a ne broda, to ne mijenja sustinu i prava izlaza na more ali ti kao sto vidimo iz prilozenog komentara, ogranicen si da razlikujes brod od internacionalnog prava izlaza na otvoreno more a to podrazumijeva i ulaz sa inter. mora.. Ako BiH nema, ima Hrvatska pa ce uploviti, ima Svicarska pa ce uploviti, ima Tunguzija pa ce htjeti uploviti. Kuzis neznalice?! Tvoj ograniceni i podrugivi komentar je upravo samo to, nemate vi lijepe price, samo kontra od onoga sto je Isus pripovjedao. Komsija, susjed... sta je to, jel se to jede ha ha ha. Boze sacuvaj me hrvatske kulture!
Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania are incredibly SPECTACULAR countries everyone must visit!! Didn't go last year, but this year its a 35 day road trip through the Balkans! A must!
Add Macedonia to your list. You won't be disappointed by the beauty my country offers.
For visitors it is indeed spectacular, for the citizens, ehh
I took a trip to the Balkans in 2018 and fell in love with the Balkans. Kotor and Mostar are one of my favorite places in the world. All the people in the Balkans were very kind to me, especially the Bosnians and the elderly people from Macedonia - they all loved the fact that I was Brazilian and was there visiting their land
@@DacLMK yeah, endless statues
ONLY Croatia. The rest is third worls countries....
Croatia is building a bridge, not a wall. Bridge height is more than enough for freely ship passage and considering the disadvantages of potential port it simply doesn't make sense what they are asking. They can dream about building the new Rotterdam there, but we all know it's not realistic. This matter is just used for some cheap politics points in Bosnia. They will not press a lawsuit because it is ridiculous and they are aware of it.
Completely agree on that!
@Johnny Hash
Exactly that!
@Johnny Hash im not sure that anyone can block civilian cargo ship through moving thiers waters (but they can request ship masters services) - lust look at whole debate about russian nortern sea route once ice melt there enough.
yeah you cant block them but you can put some restrictions :)
@Johnny Hash Not true at all. Bosnian EEZ and Croatian EEZ are mixed and shared so the ships would have free passage.
Bosnia is surprisingly gorgeous with its hills and valleys.
Thank you good sir! Love from Bosnia
sadly they are slavic 😔
@@heberthr.6978 So what are you
@@heberthr.6978 I'm unable to tolerate two things people who are intolerant of other cultures. And the Dutch
It is a beatiful country - the whole region is.
Bosnia uses the Croatian port of Ploče for all mayor maritime imports, Bosnia has no major port in Neum.
Plus if Bosnia wanted to build a port, they wouldn't because they don't have the money to do so and the suitable location to build a proper port. But hey, at least they have access to the sea, my country Macedonia's nearest sea is 50km away in Greece.
@@DacLMK if they had the money to build one they couldn't cuz seabed is too shallow in that Neum pass
Super Video, nego kako se Šibenik u klapa u priču o Neumu?
Luka Ploce was built by Bosnia in exYU and thus, it belongs to Bosnia or Bosnian people who paid for it (druga stvar je lopovluk i kusuranje drustvene imovine od izrod-politicara, koji su u lopovluku i korupciji raskusurali Luku Ploce uglavnom, Luka Ploce nije hrvatsko vec bosansko).
@@kolobara08 di će sirotinja platiti ikakvu luku? Najbogatije države juge su bile Hrvatska,Slovenija pa Srbija....tako da ništa nije bosna platila jer nije imala sa čime. Bosna je jedino možda posudila bauštelce što i danas radi....jeftina ste nam radna snaga. A čisto za tvoju informaciju,jer bosanci nisu baš sa TI sa školom,luku Ploče su izgradili Njemci i Talijani....nacrti i projekti za luku su predani za vrijeme kraljevine SHS....Srba,Hrvata i Slovenaca....dakle prije nego šta se Bosna izmislila kao nekakva nacija i prostor.
This is like saying Romania is landlocked because Turkey built a bridge across the Bosphorus.
Exactly, given that bridge is higher. 64 m.
@Hernando Malinche Finally all Croats can move to the rest of EU through this bridge. Whose gonna switch off the the light?
@Hernando Malinche we will move them on the land, like Turks did in 1453...
Yes. If Turkey did that, it would be a source of major conflict
@@RobespierreThePoof are you daft, they did that many many years ago, no conflict.
I am pretty sure that going from almost landlocked to fully landlocked is the least of Bosnia's national problems, given that a good chunk of the country wants secession in favor of Serbia.
True
Another part also wants to join Croatia, really only the Bosniaks want to preserve the current status as they have power over the two other nationalities
@Totally not the flash :3 Covid is not interesting anymore huh
ever heard of sutorina?
the good chunk is an exact 50% of bosniak territory, but the ethnic serbs make up a 30% of the state.
Almost nobody in Bosnia and Herzegovina pays attention to this anymore, so this issue is much more relevant for Chinese-EU relations due to Chinese involvement in construction works. Secondly, Bosnia and Herzegovina has FINALLY decided to connect its Adriatic coast with inner BiH with building a modern highway (you can even see it around 3:06) that will bypass Croatia. So, Croatia is bypassing BiH, and BiH is bypassing Croatia. For your information, the main connection between the BiH coast and the rest of BiH was through Croatia (you leave BiH, you enter Croatia, you leave Croatia and then you enter BiH again).
And finally, if you wonder: Bosnia and Croatia are super friends and something like cousin/brother countries. So no drama here. :) Croatia is the main EU entry point for Bosnia and Herzegovina and on the other hand a significant portion of BH population are actually Croats, particularly in this part of the country where the bridge is being built.
why is there a problem then 🥱🥱
@@kelpy9902 it's used primarily as a tool for politicians to make drama and gain votes or attention, particularly in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The bridge is just another topic that distracts people from real issues and politicians are using it for their own political gain. Fortunately nobody in Bosnia pays much attention to this anymore except some narrow nationalist groups within mainstream political parties.
Bosnia and Croatia are super friends or brothers?? Then why Bosnian kids and Croatian kids have to go to seperate schools in Bosnia? Why are those schools seperate by wire?
@@user-gt1uy9cj6g you have to separate diplomatic relations between the two countries and internal issues in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Firstly, the wire is gone. Secondly, the case of two schools under one roof is not a Bosnian product: it was proposed by international community (OSCE) in early 2000's and unfortunately implemented by ruling political parties in Bosnia. Let's not forget that is one side of the story: many people are absolutely against this, two years ago you had protests in central Bosnia organized by Croat and Bosniak kids who didn't want to see their school separated. And finally, relations between Bosniaks and Croats are not homogenous, they are good in one part of the country and not so good in another part of the country. But diplomatic relations between Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia are very good with sporadic issues. Relations between ordinary people are very strong: you have family members living in both countries.
@@An89Go Ok i guess u are right about ordinary people and politics. Two diferent things. But many Bosniaks dont like Croats and many Croats dont like Bosniaks, that is reallity. Not to forgget that Croats want Hercegovina to be seperate from Bosnia. Bosniak muslims are strange people.
This analysis lack some cruical facts.
1. Neum bay is not deep enough to have port
2. If it was, bridge is high enough for most boats to come in
3. Population of Neum would NEVER accept port
(90% of population lives on tourism income)
4. Country is called Bosnia and Hercegovina (Neum is Hercegovina)
#2 is mentioned pretty explicitly
croatia is sold land, the coast is not theirs at all,that is a fact!
1##There is so much debt that they sell everything
2##That is t in Bosnia's favor
@@haris9520 Croatia sold the land? To who? Please tell me those facts
@@haris9520 i live on coast and so far we are still croatia so yeah dude check your sources
@@haris9520 wet behind the ears and brainwashed.
By the look of it, Bosnia is legally landlocked. Their "access" to Adriatic is wrapped inside Croatia territorial waters (similar thing as Turkey and Greece). The building of bridge just make it clear who own the waters.
They don’t own all the water historically. So you’re wrong there.
@@khalidi5044 Historically 2/3s of what is today "Bosnia and Herzegovina" was part of Croatia. Cities like Bihac or Banja Luka were at one point Croatian capitals.
@@joekerr9197 They were called catholic and orthodox bosnians
@@khalidi5044 Fascists in 1860?! And of all things in Bosnia?!? Lol...are you stupid?
@@khalidi5044 Are you dumb on purpose or were you born this way?
The bridge is sufficiently high enough, there isn’t even an industrial harbor there in Bosnia, just some recreational stuff.
+1, to have a modern port is not en easy and not a cheap task today, Much cheaper today for many countries to use different ports in different countries . Belarus plays this price - game with 5 countries
@@adamradziwill I mean, Belarus doesn't even have a sea access so it's not the best example.
@@adamradziwill more then half of the goods that the port of Rotterdam in the Netherlands (largest in Europe) is precessing are being transported via river or train to Germany or elsewhere so i presume Croatian or Greek ports are fulfilling those same needs for part of the balkan countries, problem is ofc that Bosnia is not an EU member state...
@@Matihood1 I believe the point was that Belarus is an excellent example. You do not need sea access, you only need multiple countries to compete for your port business. Which is probably cheaper than doing it yourself.
Did you even watch the video?
It's lower than international standards and Bosnia is already planning an industrial harbour.
I live 20km away from Neum in the Croat part of Herzegovina. No one here gives a flying F about the bridge. Just Bosnian politicians desperately trying to divert attention from problems in their own part of the country.
P.S. That was ALMOST a correct way to pronounce Pelješac :)
It's safe to say that ANY time a politician in former Yugoslavia starts stirring up the nationalist pot, he is in fact trying to divert attention from actual problems, not just in the Neum case. Furthermore, I'm fairly certain that all of them, when cameras are not filming, are the greatest of buddies.
@@zmajooov we are all together in this boat of total corruption and incompetence.
@@zmajooov That's typical policy for all _third world countries_
Know the area very well for 30 years. Neum would never have become a large maritime port.
The bridge is a convince for Croats and as a person who has to travel through Bosnia to get to Dubrovnik, the travel time is just annoying for locals and tourism. Bosnia won't feel any disadvantage with the bridge since its design allowed ship passage to Neum.
Do you plan to make geopolitics of Italy? It's the only G8 country you never covered
It’s often forgotten that Italy is a G8 member
G8 dosn't exist anymore since Russia has been kicked out in 2014, it's been G7 ever since.
I think he did a video about Italy a long time ago, might be among his oldest
@@ninjam77 I know, I just wanted to use the largest possible group to stress the lack of Italy. Hell, even considering the G20 Italy is one of the few Shirvan has yet to cover
@@r.c.1881 If he did I can not find it, the only mentions I find are grouped with more general "Geopolitics of Europe" and such
Regarding this video, I am going to say just three things:
1) Ethnic composition - Neum municipality
2013. .
Total 4,960 (100,0%)
Croats 4,543 (97,64%)
Bosniaks 63 (1,397%)
Serbs 21 (0,451%)
2) If there is ever going to be a port in Neum then most likely it will also be held by Croats since they make 98% of Neum's population!
3) People living in Neum are glad that Croatia is building a bridge to connect its country because most of them work, study, and have Croatian citizenship.
Rich European tourists going to Croatia: "If only we can drive down to Dubrovnik without passing through that tiny strip of Bosnia & Herzegovina territory."
Croatia: "Hold my bridge."
No, it's everyone.. I have friends that have family down there and every time they go for a visit, they have to cross 2 border crossing.. It's an extreme hassle and very inefficient..
Really doubt that rich tourist from any country travel by car 1000 miles to see some old town.
@@TheBelamar They do actually
Bosnian police are corrupt. To pass that tiny piece of their territory you have to pay them tips.
@@tomorkaralliu5282 you dont have to but it definantely speeds up the process hahaha, the croats have to scan in EU database so it dosent make a difference tho
Nice video...But you havent said two things that is also essential
1. Neum is 100% Croatian town , all inhabitians is Croatians
2. During the 1990ties war for fredoom in Croatia and Bosnia Neum was under attack from Serbian army...Croatian forces defended town and push away the enemy...I was there at the time, didnt see any Bosniaks soldiers , and nobody ask me for a passport
And for the end, why BiH dont give a free pass for Croatian citizens or tourist thru Neum??
There was a plan of highway passing to Dubrovnik , withot sttoping or exit in BiH teritory....it was much more cheapest way and there will be no bridge...
@tony pal ahaha...it was in 1992 , not 1991...I can see from here that you havent bean born at the time
@tony pal Im from Zagreb by the way...so what do you think...should I stay to defend Zagreb at the time or going far away from home to defend a little town Neum and then give that teritory away?
Serbia did not exist as a country in the 90s so how did the Serbian army attack anything?? 😃 Serbia became independent in 2006.
@@liberoAquila OK it wasnt Serbia...it was SAP Vojvodina, SAP Kosovo, SR Crna Gora and at the end Serbia...After a big preasure from other republics and autonom regions .. after trying to avoid war...Serbia had no choice than to back up Vojvodina, Kosovo and Montenegro
@tony pal just because Bosnians defended zhagreb , Bosnia can't claim Croatian territories.
Today a man knocked on my door and asked for a small donation towards the local swimming pool. I gave him a glass of water. I love supporting the community.
Old meme saw it almost 5 times now
@@HamzaKhan-wx2om first time I've seen it. Pretty funny
@@pkingpumpkin btw , didn’t supposed to be funny
Why not donate urine later on
Technically its still water
@@andrewj3177 I also donated that when I visited the pool
Note: the drone shot at 3:56 is not from BiH or Croatia, but from Prishtina, Kosovo. Source: I can see the house I lived in. :)
No, you are phone.
*Priština, Srbija
@hulladaemon Umm no
very beautiful
Yea, Kosovo. I have a “Newborn” placard on my desk.
5:46 - "Traffic [at the Croatia/Bosnia border checkpoints] is particularly congested during the high season when thousands of tourists headed for Dubrovnik spend hours queuing..."
_[shows footage of a traffic jam in Pennsylvania]_
Definitely American, but how do you know it’s Pennsylvania?
Bolivia to Bosnia: you and I aren’t so different
That's funny
funny
Chile took away Bolivia's coast access right? I think they still have a navy though 😂.
Bosnia is bigger shit
Bosnia is just european Bolivia
Croatia is just european Chile
the universe is a simulation
By this logic poland, finland and the baltic states are all landlocked since there are bridges spanning the øresund
The bridge is partially underwater so ships can pass through, and there's the Kiel canal too
@@chockyman3858 I think ships are able to pass under bridges that are not submerged aswell, im not an expert on ships but i think ive seen one pass underneath a bridge one time in my life
The Kiel Canal would be a mute point since you can call the Danube river a canal and by that logic Hungary and Austria are not landlocked since it gives them access to the black sea
Also by that logic, all nations on the Black Sea are landlocked because of the three bridges built on the Bosporus.
Dankeschön Herr Rubach.
Ich bin selber Bosnier und finde die Brücke stellt kein Problem dar.
Man sieht wieder was ein Narrativ gezeichnet wird, nur um ein imaginäres Problem zwischen den Völkern zu erschaffen..
@@theman3452 Vel bekomme herr Man. Ja jeg tviler på at bosnere synes broen er et problem. En bro stopper ikke en båt med mindre man seiler rett på føttene :)
Croatian guy here. Look the Pelješac Bridge project has no alternative. I'm not defending Croatian politicians, they are nepotistic, unskilled and often prone to corruption, but compared to Bosnian polticians, be they Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs, our guys are honest and hardworking people, Bosnian and Herzegovinian politicians represent probbably the most incompetent and corrupt rulling class in Europe, excluding places like Moldova, and since they insist on three different political stances, there is just no disscussion with them. If Bosnia and Herzegovina collapses at a certain point then that will make this entire project pointless, since Neum is populated almost exclusivley by Croats and is located in the Croat-mayjority part of B&H, so it would get annexed by Croatia, also before someone starts to rage I'm not calling for Bosnia to be dismembered, I'm just saying that that is a plausable reality for a country as dysfunctional as Bosnia. But, anyways ships will be able to pass below the bridge, eventough Neum isn't a large port, but connectig the exclaved territory of the old Republic of Ragusa with the rest of Croatia for us Croatians has no alternative.
Your very right! But remember how Bosnia got to this point. The way Bosnia was set up after the war is the root of the problem! Also if a new war starts in Bosnia it will have huge negative impact on croatia, like it did in the 90's. Also if croatia does try to annex the territory it will lead to countless more bloodshed like in the 90's. The problem with that part of the world is that religion dictates loyalty! Catholics in Bosnia are loyal to croatia. Orthodox in croatia are loyal to serbia.
As it mentions in the video, these kinds of bridges are usually built 67 meters high but this one is 55 meters high. The question is did Croatia did it on purpose to limit ships sailing in and out of Bosnia so that Bosnia'll continue to depend on Croation ports ?.
If you make the bridge a little bit higher there is absolutely no problem with this project. But building the bridge 12m lower than most of the big cargo ships cannot pass and this my friend, seems deliberate to block any future expansion of the port.
@@derinden15 There is no cargo ship in the world tall as 55m. Thy dont exisz
@@Arete1 even without load they can go up to 68m
I’m bosnian, there is no cargo ships coming to neum the city on the Bosnian coast I see no problem them building a bridge there
So sell the crotia this land
@@Andar64 muslims cant sell us. Its not theirs, its alredy croatian. Bosnia is not Muslim country its country of 3 equal ethnic groups Croats, Serbs and Muslims and Neum is in croatian part of Herzegovina. We will unite with Croatia when time is right.
Just with the little modifications on the fishing port Neum will be able tom accept the biggest sort of cross-ocean cargo ships and in the near future starships like Enterprise.
Neum is actually a Croatian city
And Dubrovnik and Makarska are Bosnian Cities:)
Tunnels: Exist
That idea went over alot of peoples heads
I thought about that but a 28 tunnel will be much more expensive than a 2,7km bridge
@@JS-pb6gb
Exactly
well, more like under their feet.
@@JS-pb6gb bridge-tunnels exist e.g. Chesapeake Bay and Lake Ponchartrain.
China and the EU upsetting people sweetened and distracted by bridges and everything... they could have just made the bridge taller but they didn't
soo... what's the problem with 55m? there are no cargo ships that get close to that.
the tallest I could find is 38m and I think that also includes the part bellow the water line.
There is no problem with the bridge. Sarajevo is using this issue
as a leverage to get better deals on other fronts.
The hight isn't the problem but rather the pillars of the bridge would limit the traffic of the cargo ships.
@@IsAcRafT there is literally no industry or seaports there. Even the sea is too shallow for big cargo ships to enter with or without the bridge.
@@IsAcRafT what? if the channel width =n how much space do the pillars take? 5%, generously 10%? so you're saying Neum has such demand that a 10% decrease would hinder it's development? what is this, Rotterdam? If all of Neum was nothing but a seaport it would probably have more than enough space to maneuver even with the bridge.
It's just political posturing, a Rotterdam style port in Neum is a definition of a perfect joke for us down here
And in this small "sea-part" of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Neum municipality) Croats are more than 97 % of population.
Yeah and?
@@mrbullet3884 yeah and that means that discrimination occurs due to the little amount of native bosnians their happens in alot of other laces in bosnia especially places run by serbs
@@Freshiesbangers um croats in federation are totaly not discriminated, in serb region they are (also bosniaca are)
@@mrbullet3884 What it means is that the local Croat inhabitants would just as soon have that region be part of Croatia, which is why they don't really care about the bridge being put up as the Bosnian government's idea of putting in some giant seaport into their bay to serve the rest of Bosnia holds no appeal. To them the fact that Croatia has had to build a bridge at all is more a reminder of how this centuries-old artifice of a border continues to separate ethnic Croats from each other.
@hue4hue 2 what do you mean by native bosnians?
Shirvan: 8:45 "Whether this is true is unknown, no studies have been conducted on this issue"
Also Shirvan: BoSnIa iS BeInG LaNdLoCkEd!
Nothing extraordinary, a little clickbait hurts nobody.
he put landlocked in quotes because that is what Bosnian politicians say
Bosnia does not have a sea coast. Herzegovina does
Croatia is like the Chile of Europe
ur username wtf
And why is that so
@@varangianguard4726 Its L O N G
Croatia is 120 country in the world in terms of sizes, but thanks to the islands, it is 20 country in the world length of the coast, LOL
Your username is like the Chile of CZcams.
Everyone in the comments : Croatia blocked Bosnia from the sea.
Bosnian : We don't care.
Bosniak: We do care but it's not much we can do about it.
Weird borders, they should be re drawn
Reading the comments, I see more support for Croatia than Bosnia and people recognizing that the bridge isn't really the problem.
@@freedombro6502 That would once again cause a war...
@@Mojohlp What about referendums? AFAIK Serbs in Bosnia are already trying to secede via a referendum.
The Adriatic sea looks so beautiful as well as those towns in the video
What a beautiful landscapes! Hopefully, they can find an amicable solution. Greetings from Cali, Colombia.
There is no conflict, at all..
@@richard_from_england333 there's still the tention. Secterianism is real in Bosnia
Bosnia is such an underrated place to visit, been there twice and I already want to go again. Greetings from Switzerland :)
Grüße, meine Empfehlung ist Una und Vlasic, wenn du etwas Schönes sehen willst.
Cheers man
For sure. I was originally planning to skip Bosnia completely and just do Croatia and Slovenia - but I managed to squeeze two days for Mostar, easily one of the best places on the trip - much better than Dubrovnik imo. Definitely want to go back and do the country justice when things open up.
@@jmacdonald6195 welcome back man. We have so so much to offer
@@goldzen3019 How easy is it to get by in the country just with English?
How much coastline do you want?
Croatia: yes
I crossed that area , yes it is a pain in the ass to cross 4 border crossings in 20 km
@ADoseofReality Channel This is not true. Look at map of pre Bosnia in time of king Kotromanić. Bosnia is older than Croatia.
@ADoseofReality Channel Croatia was union of two separate states, and became kingdom in early 900 as I recal. If you are looking in todays border that part of sea wasnt Croatians.
@@tariktiro6411 lol, bosnia was Croatia ...
Croatia want normal borders.
Bosnia: nope
There is no effective blockade here!!!
The bridge will be high enough for ships to reach the Bosnian coast!
You mean small ships upto 20,000 tonnes. A lot of international shipping involves ships between 60,000 to 100,000 tonnes, 25m freeboard and 60 meters overall height above waterline. A port and shipping always wants to maximize economies of scale to reduce product end costs to consumers while maximizing profits to all who handle cargo.
@@ph11p3540 there is no port that can dock the big cargo ships
@@RePlayBoy101 You mean no such port in that country. There are thousands of ports that handle such big ships globally. If you do not have a port that can handle such ships your port goes into decline and dies.
@@ph11p3540 bosnia uses croatian ports regardless if there is a bridge or not so that point is just stupid...
For all the redditors in the comments
Croatia is nowadays the most visited country in the world and Bosnia is extremely safe as well
Low crime rates everything
True, ive been on holiday to Dubrovnik croatia and it was very welcoming
Croatia is not the most visited country in the world
@@zachschafer6229 Like 12'th or something
.....Bosnia is actually high in crime rates, but that is being ignored, left unrecorded.
@@zachschafer6229 Croatia is the most visited country per capita
20 million tourists on 4 million Croats
I've always wondered why they didn't build a bridge or a tunnel ever since I first saw the map of Croatia. I mean, it's just a few kilometers across. Glad finally they're building it.
It has been a topic in our politics for years, but always delayed
a 28 kilometer tunnel is much more expensive than a bridge, plus neum isnt really a place for cargo ships so the bridge isnt a problem
@@scipion34 yea but its less disruptive to the environment as a whole. plus it sounds like croatians arent the main financiers.
As I said in another reply, croatia doesn't own the waters, making it illegal, I am not necessarily against it, it's just that, again, it's illegal
@@moguldamongrel3054 money is what matters, the environment wont exist in a few dozen years anyway so whats the point?
Neum, the strip of land and all those parts in land are 90%+ Croatian either way, just some historical documents making it Bosnian. Neum in this specific case is 97.51% Croatian by population.
Neum je Bosanski ujo fašistički
@@hajduk87 za sada
@@hajduk87 Ja sam najdalja stvar od fašista i komunista koja postoji, samo sam objektivan i govorim činjenice, pa pogledaj vlastiti popis stanovništva ako ga već niste prestali obavljati.
@@sretnikdolaznik1863 pa I u RSK su srbi bili većina
@@jovant4470 Da i? a Z-4 plan odbijen. To je tema za drugi put, čak štoviše, jedan od razloga zašto ne podržavam samostalnost kosova je zbog toga što vjerujem da država ima pravo na svoje povijesno i kulturno samoodržavanje, i da po tome ima pravo stupiti sa svojom državom. Kosovo to nema, zbog čega vjerujem da je Kosovo Srpsko, a za bivšu krajinu, iako je to sada područje, nažalost, pusto, i radije bih da tamo ima samo Srba ili samo Hrvata ili skoru pomješanost oba naroda kao i što je bilo, nego ovu prazninu koja sad tamo vlada, Srpska krajina kao država ili kao dio Srbije nije držala nikakvu povijesnu povezanost i kulturnu povezanost sa Srbijom. Sličan slučaj je za Republiku Srpsku i Hercegovinu, za koju smatram da bi trebale ići svako svojoj povijesnoj i etničkoj većini. Nadam se da moje mišljenje sada to malo razjašnjava.
Nobody:
Some Bosnian politicians: weh weh building a bridge will landlock Bosnia weh weh Croatia isn't playing fair weh weh
Bosniak politicians*. The Croats and Serbs of Bosnia are fine with the bridge.
@@v21829 Croat politicians are either supportive or apathetic, Serb politicians are mostly apathetic, and Bosniak politicians are opposed. So yeah you aren't really *wrong*. In any case I felt the meme went best (and was funniest) if I used this exact wording.
@@v21829 like that means something they all the same politician shit
It's a bridge, not a dam. At 55metres, not many ships will be unable to pass under it. If Bosnia let Croatia have a corridor over BH to the south of Croatia, it wouldn't be needed. And what did that PRC Prime Minister say about Tofu construction?
Shirvan: Makes a video
Me: Oh cool new video
Shrirvan: It's about Bosnia
Me, a Bosniak: OMG Shirvan you didn't
Same :)
What do you think about the bridge?
ide gas
@@user-xb9yv2ci4c I think we (Bosnia) need a study on how this will affect shipping and tourism. It's quite strange that there isn't one already
Five minutes of glory. On the side note, are there any channels like CR that focus on Balcan area specifically?
Bosnia being upset by this is dumb.
1. The bridge has a max height of 55m and the tallest cargo ships are around 38m (including the section of hull that is underwater).
2. There are no major seaports (including Neum) on the Bosnian coast.
3. The area in question is too shallow for cargo shipping and hasn't been dredged.
This is basically like telling your neighbor that they can't have a pool in their yard because your cat might drown... but you have never actually owned a cat.
What is their side of the argument???
I mean did they present exactly why are they against it???
@@fpsserbia6570their argument is: "muh territorial sovreignity" as if they have any, LMAO.
@@zeep5838 ahhahah 😂
Whats the problem?
Last time I checked Ships could pass under bridges.
Agreed.
I might be wrong but they have to pay everytime a boat passes?
@tony pal They can anyway as the small coastline Bosnia-Herzegovina has is literally engulfed by Croatian land and territorial waters.
@tony pal There is no such freedom, those are only guidelines. A country can do whatever they want in their territorial waters.
Depends on how big the boat is
"...for history always manages to get in the way of progress..." - should be "unresolved issues from history always manage to get in the way of progress...".
He's talking about the Balkans. In the Balkans, historic feuds get in the way of cooperating with each other.
@@AlexIr99 We still endure the consequences of the medieval Turkish invasions and conquests because the Ottomans held Bosnia and Herzegovina under occupation for 4 centuries. The Turkish rulers were merciless towards the Christian raya who were stripped of all rights, living as landless serfs. Over the centuries the border with Croatia shifted several times. During the long Turkish rule, half of the population was converted to Islam either by force or for opportunistic reasons, but they nevertheless speak Croatian. The term "Bosniak" as an ethnic name for Muslims was adopted in 1992. Until that time, they were recorded in the population census as "Muslims" or "Yugoslavs".
@@bogdanlevi7483 Bosnia as country existed before with their own church but when they needed protection from ottomans price was converting to Islam if I remember correctly could be wrong
So.. Just tourism worries? I would've thought it was about importing and exporting using sea-routes, but looking a Neum they don't even have a port for tankerships to dock at! Man, Bosnia really wasting their opportunity..
It seems like nothing, but tourism is the single most important industry for Croatia. The entire country depends on the tourist season.
Bosniak government doesn't want to see Croatia successful, even if it's not their problem. They rely on Croatian ports but want to stop us in constructing the bridge, while at the same time wants us to join against the serbs.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 Bosnia relies on a Bosnian port called Ploče that was stollen from Bosnia.
@@user-ue4nq3kc3j when it was stolen?
@@anteveic327 Bosnia owns the port but its in croatia due to how borders were drawn , we got it during sfrj
Bosnian ''planning'' means that there could be a port built within 50 years or so. If all three nationalities agree on it and rubber stamp it and money doesn't get stolen by corrupt politicians. Also Neum is a very small town and would need a lot of infrastructure and sea is shallow there as well. That means a lot of effort, time and money for that project. All three are a big problem in current day BiH.
So what? Croatia should accept current day situation or make one of the most expensive projects in it's history even more expensive because of a port which has 0.1% chance to be built?
And that is not mentioning that all shipping for BiH for the last 30 years was and is going through closeby port of Ploče which was recently expanded and modernized. So that new hipothetical port would have to compete with an established port which is right next door and has easier access to waterways. And even if it outcompeted it somehow that would mean Croatia has a useless port and no land connection between it's territories and BiH has a brand new credit for an expensive new port which makes shipping to BiH 0.1% cheaper if the money from that port doesn't get stolen by aformentioned corrupt politicans.
This ''problem'' is nothing but a way for Bosniak politicians to score cheap political points on ''they took our jobs'' rhetoric.
Of course you say that, you are croat...
@@VB-FightingSystem So, so far you did what?
Bult an industry... ....somewhere?
Built a railroad to Neum?
A highway?
Just a simple road?!
Anything?
Well, didn't though so...
@@VB-FightingSystem Mate, what does him being a creative have to do with anything. Let's look at this hypothetically. BiH susceptibility expand the port, terraform's the area, deepens the seabed, significantly improves the public infrastructure for such a port. Then what? Last time I checked cargo ships aren't 55m tall. The only ship that wouldn't be able to visit such a port would be a big cruise ship, and let's be honest, such a enormous ship would never visit such small town. Let's take another example, Koper, which has the biggest port here. Cruise ships visit it, because It's an interesting town/location with easy accessible in a short range other towns/locations for activities. Now let's take a look at Neum. I'm not saying that It's not interesting, but It's not interesting enough, nor it doesn't have other easy accessible sights/towns in the vicinity for such a large amount of people. Sure, they could travel inwards BiH to access more interesting sights, but that not the point of q cruise ship. With a cruise ship you want to offer your guests as much interesting sights in the vicinity as you possibly can, so that the guests has a higher chance of using their services again in the future, as they've now seen that you offer travel plans to lots of interesting places, meaning more profits for the cruse line.
Typical Croat opinion. Why don’t you do BiH a favour and move to Croatia?
@@stipebalenovic6497 And they are renting the port of Ploče for the last 30 years. And it was never a problem, the new port wasn't even mentioned until construction already started on the Pelješac bridge. So what should have Croatia done? Stopped construction, made a bridge which is even more expensive (ground on which the bridge is being built is not particularly stable and there already were problems with foundations and now add even more height and weight) because of a distant possibility that a small city of 2000 residents suddenly needs to park an aircraft carrier or a cruise ship or a supertanker, cause most
cargo ships can pass under the Pelješac bridge? That is just bonkers.
Great video! I’m sorry I didn’t watch it sooner. Keep up your much needed work Shirvan!
I live in the Dubrovnik region and I agree with what you said. Neum is a small town settled by croats as well. Area is not suitable for big cruise ships neither for the port, as you said Bosnia and Hercegovina uses croatian port Ploce. This is quite high standing bridge, so big ships can pass under. All that fuss comes because of cheap political points in very divided Bosnia & Hercegovina.
Bosnia: Adriatic Sea is so beautiful, I wanna swim a bit.
Croatia: *NO*
Based Croatia, just cuck Bosnia.
All hail Lelouch!
Its sad cuz Dalmatia use to be part of Bosnia. But useless otomans came and lost it. Othewise Montenegro town Herceg-Novi was first Bosnian port and had Bosnian fleet during Bosnian Kingdome and was founded by Bosnian King.
@@euroboy9188 What are you talking about, almost whole Bosnia used to be Croatia, then Hungarians conquered Croatia, so Croatia lost influence over some parts of Bosnia, afterwards, Ottomans invaded and Croatia lost every part of Bosnia and just managed to keep the coast... Thankfully
@@yoyohehe2034 They never conquered Croatia. They didn't need to. Croatia asked to unite with Hungary.
Bosnia uses that coast only for hotels and houses with a nice view as much as I saw when I was there a few times.
@Flicky They might decide to use it in the future, and the croatian bridge will be an obstacle. Bosnia must intervene there and stop the construction.
@@ddpmk355 or make the changes to the bridge design so that it would not obstruct ships
@@ddpmk355 god no more war pls
@@OptimusDelta Not necessarily war
@@RocketHarry865 the bridge is fine, and the ships can go under it. Bridge is 50m high, which is more than enough for ships to get through Neum gulf toward town of Neum. Because Neum gulf is very shallow, larger ships couldnt get there either way, with or without the bridge.
I have a 50m high silos in my town, you know how high 50 meters is? Any ship could pass under the bridge, but either way, gulf is too shallow for any larger ship to harbor.
Bosniak politicans (repeat politicans) are using the bridge as one of the excuses for maltreatmant they are doing to Bosnian Croats. (Who are also absolute majority in the Neum). Repeating, Bosniak politicans, not the people as a whole.
Well, Croats can build bridges in their country...no one has a right to stop them.
This is Hercegovina and country is called Bosnia and Hercegovina.
Neum is in Hercegovina, almost 100% Croats population
Implying BiH (Bosnia) is a functioning state and not just a bad joke
The comments are too tame, I was expecting it to be more entertaining.
I was expecting 1995 level replies as well
Wait for video about Croatia and Serbia :) Croatia and Bosnia are quite fine lol
@@user-xj3ve7wt8k I can hear the Balkan folk music emanating from this reply.
@Stevan Milovanovich filtering the fun
@@jjtc6881 If by 'fun' you mean 'genocidal wars', I think the Balkans can do without.
"History always gets in the way of progress." 😂
What a summary.
The scenes of the bridge in Mostar are magical.
The Catholic Croats destroyed it, back then.
if their ships can pass under it, I don't see what's the issue
Current ships can get under it but 50 years from now may be a different story which is the main problem with it. Especially since Bosnia has future plans on making the port bigger which means bigger ships.
Shouldve been an underwater tunnel and this wouldnt be an issue but of course dumbass politicians in the EU think cheaper is always better. Bosnian politicians are also being retarded cause if they went to a table with Croatian officials to seek a deal where they could help them fund the project if they would make it an underwater tunnel/bigger bridge than that would've helped unify the Bosnia and Croatia as neighbors and unify the Bosniaks and Croatians living in Bosnia. Sadly current government leaders around the world are the most greedy dumbasses who are litterally setting up stages of conflict which will lead too wars as they intentionally divide peoples.(Imo on purpose cause war is profitable)
Edit: Apparently its too shallow too even build a port there some are saying. If true then i don't even know why this video was made rofl.
@@tomatop6754 Agree
what ships?
@@stipebalenovic6497 Then have fun watching the grandchildren of the peoples of both nations going back to war in a hundred years over a damn bridge.
@@tomatop6754 in the whole Adriatic Sea there is only one port deep enough to accommodate mega cargo ships, and Bosnian shallow bay is not one of them.
“A bridge too far” hmmm where have I heard that before..,
It's a movie based on world war 2.
@@DeclanMulqueen687 Yup, actually watched it around christmas
@@hermes112 hehe i remember how they disguised a Leopard 1 as a Panther
@@Excalea lmao i remember seeing it and i was like, huh, ok then..
I live in this area. The idea of Bosnia being "landlocked" is apsurd. First of all there isn't a port of any kind for commerce in Neum. Even if they were to make one (which is unlikely), the bridge is huge and wouldn't be a problem for any kind of ships to pass beneath it, more of a limiting factor would be the depth of the sea in that area rather than the bridge. The only real downside for Bosnia by building a bridge is less people will pass trough Neum region thus reducing people spending some money there and less people being suspected to their customs etc. So yeah it's jealousy rather than anything else. Having to pass trough two border just to go from one part of the country to the other is difficult and having a bridge is benifical to gorwth of the southern region.
But drama...
Znaci vise bosanaca iz neuma ce se doseliti u hrvatsku...divno...najbolje da se cijela bosna vrati nazad hrvatskoj i amen.srbi nazad u srbiju i sve super...hrvatsko kraljevstvo je opet cijelo i mir zavlada
Did not know about the shallow seabed. That makes the whole thing that much more absurd.
It's cool to see a level headed person from the actual place in question, not being bitter about it but talking common sense instead.
I have witnessed myself the traffic jam and the whole borders crossing circus when I was traveling from Split to Dubrovnik. That is simply not sustainable if Croatia intends to enter the Schengen, which it does.
Bravo Pyle,,,,koncizno, ispravno i posteno izneseno gledanje na "problem"
The bridge looks high enough for shipping, so what's the problem?
Free drama.
It's an ugly eye sore that was built without any consideration for its neighbour.
Thank you for this video, I am from Serbian part of Bosnia. You are right, Serbs are indifferent about this issue. I live in northern part of the country, where majority of people in Bosnia live, and almost all overseas import comes from Croatian port of Rijeka, not Ploče. Rijeka is connected via highway with Zagreb, Banja Luka and Belgrade. My point is that this bridge will not change much for every day life in much of Bosnia.
But what about the future of Bosnia's economic growth? Is there any concern in Bosnia that this bridge being too low will make Bosnia dependent on its neighbors for all its economic growth?
@@scottwarthin1528 i am a serb from Bosnia too. I personally don't give a shit about Bosnia, most of us just want to leave this shit hole country and unite with Serbia - we are after all Serbs
@@scottwarthin1528 As a fellow Serb from the northern part of Bosnia and a student of political sciences - we don't actually care about economic growth and/or development of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. We care about our half of it, the Republic of Srpska. Right now, Republic of Srpska (literally: Serb Republic) is as much dependent on Serbia, as it is on federal government in Sarajevo - maybe even more dependent on Serbia at the moment. Serbs and Croats couldn't be annexed into their mother states due to foreign intervention of mainly NATO states with USA as it's spearhead, ending forced into cohabitation in some (con)federal inorganic state with muslim relative majority. We, and Croats too, perceive Serbia and Croatia respectively as our states. Croatian cantons in western and southern parts of Federation are interested in their own affairs with benefit of Croats in mind, and we in Republic of Srpska do pretty much the same. To be completely honest, we do want growth, development and peace for everyone - but never at the expense of our own people. We do not perceive the federal government in Sarajevo as our own, and the weaker its grip on us is, the merrier we are. Bosnia is a dysfunctional shithole not because of the war and God knows what - it is what it is because we are continually making it that way. And as long this forced limbo of cohabitation is enforced, I personally don't foresee any major prosperity for any of three constituent ethnic groups within Bosnia. Поздрав!
@@scottwarthin1528 A port in Neum will never make any difference for 99.9% of the bosnian population. Neum is not connected via any highways or railways, it has no port to start with, the water is very shallow, its far from any population centers except from Mostar and companies will most probably continue to use the Ploce and Rijeka ports or get stuff through the Danube-Sava rivers...There is a reason why Neum has never become a port....not during Ottoman, Ragusan, Ventian, Austrain or Yugoslav times.
A port in Neum is a joke and a very bad one.
Population in Neum and Herzegovina is Croatian, they dont have anything against this project. Heck when i was in Neum i saw 4 croatian flags and our coat of arms on "bosnian" peninsula, i havent noticed any "bosnian"...you have a good pronaunciation of slavic names
Your comment says it all.
@@TheWedabest thx
the cyrillic signs were all vandalised when i was there 100% all croatian town
@@dacho707 i havent seen any so how could they be vandalised?
Yes the wonders of extreme nationalism and propaganda for 25 years truly brings all the people together :D. Also ethnic cleansing. A lot of it in Bosnia.
This bridge will not diminish anything for Bosnia
So well produced. It's amazing what I've learnt watching this channel.
Should be mandatory viewing for anyone interested in geo politics or political scientists.
Sadly, many things in this video have been misrepresented or omitted.
For instance, even headline is incorrect since it is insinuating that Croatia is gonna block BiH although there wouldn't be construction of a dam but transparent bridge whose ceiling of 55 meters has been requested from the BiH experts and complied in bridge design.
There are also some other inaccuracies but I don't have time or will to go further in-depth analysis.
Good, I support this shit. Nothing more annoying than having to cross two borders within 20 minutes. And everyone knows how friendly Balkan border police can be.
Thank you for all the hard work that goes into these videos so that others may become more more aware of the Worlds happenings. Cheers
Unfortunately, this topic hasn't been presented in full and crucial details.
For instance, nowhere in this video is shown that Croatia and Bosnia-herzegovina have had long, over ten years negotiations deciding on this bridge design! Bridge clearance of 55 meters above sea level that is colossal height at itself, has been agreed upon and signed from the all sides! This height was specific request from the Bosnian side!
Neum is the place where Croats live and it splits the place where Croats live from the place Croats live.
@Picka Timaterina isn't USA in itself supposed to be a multiethnic country? Isn't that the point of its existence?
@Picka Timaterina Not really. In Croatia over 90% population is croatian. In B&H the situation is different. As you know there are 3 main ethnicities (Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks/muslims) that make up over 90% of the population and have their representatives in the parliament and presidency and none of those 3 parties really wants the country to be the way it is. Serbs would like to join serbia, bosniaks want the country to be centralistic and croats want more autonomy and even possibly unite with croatia.
My point is that its kinda ironic that the part of B&H where Croats live and would like to even be a part of croatia someday is spliting Croatia itself in two.
@Picka Timaterina Dalmatians don't want autonomy. No idea where you heard that.
Yes, Dubrovnik was its own country. So? Those were still ethnic Croats. What exactly is your point? Because if you think that Dubrovnik should have a special status just because it was a country once, Europe should have 500 countries by now.
Yes, Serbs were in Croatia, then they started a war to ethnically cleanse the territory of its natives. It ended in them fleeing along with their civilians before the croatian army even arrived lol
Croats have been living on the territory of present day B&H centuries before anyone even thought about Bosnia as a country.
@Picka Timaterina yes, I know that Croats and Serbs are slavs, not illyrians. Also not sure what ww2 Croatia or slavic ancestry has anything to do with this topic. I think you should work on your communication and debating skills because your comments sometimes have nothing to do with anything.
@Picka Timaterina
1) not only don't you know how to make arguments without going off topic, but apparently you also forgot how to read properly. I NEVER said that Croats were the first people ever on the balkans. I specifically said they were there centuries before anyone thought about Bosnia as a country and that's a historic fact so you didn't prove anything XD
2) Did serbs want to ethnically cleanse a land they've been living in for a long time? Yes, absolutely. Those serbs, who're genetically a mix of Serbs and Vlachs from Kosovo who also mixed with the natives came to the Croatian area 5 centuries ago fleeing from the ottomans and that's OK. What's NOT ok is to expell people who were already there which WAS the goal of the establishment of the serbian krajina. I've read about Croatian diaspora for instance and there is a Croatian diaspora in Austria and one in Romania which have been living in those lands also for the last 500 years, but they definitely did not try do what serbs did in Croatia, instead they respect the fact that they're still in foreign land.
3) what Croats did in B&H was try to establish their own Republic even though it shouldn't have happened - I never said it was OK - there I agree, but they didn't do nearly enough if you look at the fact that the city of Mostar, the biggest one on that territory, has a population where 45% of it is Muslim.
4) I think YOU'RE stupid, especially because just like one can expect from a true balkan boy with that backwards, regressive, stupid balkan mentality, right away you started talking about history and politics on a comment that was simply meant to be a joke so please save yourself from wasting any more of your time and energy and stop responding, I've got better stuff to do than debate anyway.
Once again, an extremely interesting description of a little known issue. Thanks so much for your research, presentation and effort
Actually, this isn't real issue but rather inflated supposed problem raised from the parts of far right nationalist Bosniak populist politicians for the sake of cheap political points in BiH domestic affairs!
I visit the area yearly and have many friends. Beautiful nature and great kiteboarding spot.
where exactly do you kiteboard? :)
@@mj-rr7iy Neretva Kiteboarding
did you just kiteboard or did you party there too? it's my favourite party spot
@@mj-rr7iy Its crazy there. Best party is in Opuzen at Giovanis.
Please more videos on balkan politics! Ex Yugoslavia region is interesting
It's the shit hole of politics! And very complicated
Yes, more Videos ebouth exyougoslawia
It will be very good for his algorithm exposure since we will comment on them a lot. Really a lot. More then it is healthy.
To simplify : politicians cause crap, people just don't care anymore. It's pretty boring listening to the same sh*t every day, when you're trying to get your ends to meet. Croatia did this, Serbia did that, Bosnia didn't do that and so on and so on. And while they talk shit like a group of teenage girls, our countries are slowly becoming empty and old, since everyone under 40 is trying to leave(mostly for Germany). So there's Ex Yu for you.
@@stefandjordjevic3030 You forgot the most important one: who did it first?
Love your channel content. Thank you
Compartment with Golden Gate Bridge is not ok. Depth of the sea and dimension of the bay make in possible for big ships to enter regardless of the size of the port in Neum.
If you do not believe me ask US Navy. Once they visited Bosnia with a fregate. That is not realy big ship. About 110m in length. Long story short when wind pick up during the night they needed assistance of two tug boats from Port of Ploče to assist them to exit to open sea. Simply put like this. There is not enough Bosnian sea for a big boat to maneuvers around. That is the reason port of Ploče was build after second world war. Port of Ploče was build as a port for Bosnia and Hercegovina. If it could be built in Neum it would but it couldn't.
Bosnian politicians can want a lot of things but you can not go against common sense 😁
@tony pal Aircraft carrier couldn't even think of entering that small bay. Your remark is just plane stupid
So Chile got a rival now huh ?? Both are competing for the "Coastline Stealer"
yeah, look up on the internet images: dalmatia roman province.
vratite nam neum i kraj priče.
You cant steal what you already own....
So Bosnia is the balkan Bolívia? Here in south america, bolivia is our punchbag. Every neighbor took a chunk of their land
@@Nimai_Aquino
and when did croatia took 'bosnian' land?
Croatia existed long before the Americas was even discovered
Bosnia only had that coastline because the Republic of Ragusa gave the Ottomans a small strip of land to prevent Ragusa from being invaded by the Republic of Venice by land
Great content brother!
Bosnia has like 30 km of sea
10 minutes of driving
40 minutes of leting you in and out
No ports
Half of people is croatian passports
Fun fact:
In 1831, the Bosnian leader Husein Gradaščević led a rebellion against the Ottoman government, seeking autonomy for Bosnia.
According to serb nationalists, that there is fake news
Serbs got autonomy from Ottoman empire on expense of islamized Serbs (today known as Bosniaks) so they revolted against that!
@@myowngenesis ive never seen radicals or cetniks deny what Gradascevic did...... but they will always say that he is from serbian decent which could be true but we dont know. Serbs tend to point to The Herzegovina Uprisings as the liberation of serbs from ottomans in bosnia.
This is actually when Bosnian aristocracy got destroyed by Ottomans. Bosnia was a relatively prosperous country before that and it meant Bosniaks lost status, manpower and all investment in that region was stopped. Afterwards it became very backwards and underdeveloped.
@@VojvodaSloboda yes I was being little hyperbolic there, but it's undeniable that nationalism in the balkans generally brings more harm than good. In my opinion anyway.
Bosnia: Just let me swim!
Croatia: *HAHA! No.*
Yeah they also want the gulf of Piran of what little coastline slovenia has left.
@@turkrene we dont want it, its alredy ours. Slovenia wants it.
Croatia: we want normal borders as before
Bosnia: nope
Fascinating video thank you lots
Thanks from Croatia ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don't think Zagreb is pronounced with that throat sounding h...it's not Zahreb, but if I'm wrong, I'm sure some Croat will set me straight
Yeah you got it right
You're right, oddly enough he pronounced Pelješac bridge quite decent
It's written and pronounced Zagreb (with G) in Croatian, Serbian,, Slovenian and Bulgarian (basically South Slavic languages), however it's written and pronounced Zahreb in other Slavic languages. I assume this guy is from Russia, that's why he is pronouncing it that way. It's nothing wrong...
You're right, the g in Zagreb is prounounced as the g in "gas". Cheers
@@nikolasubic-zrinski543 I see, didn't know that. So do Russians pronounce Novgorod as Novhorod? I can see that, now that I think about it
Like in old meme
Bosnia: bro can i swim?
Croatia: NO
hi Shirvan ☺️ may i respectfully suggest/request that when you use maps to illustrate your discussion (which is AWESOME for those of us far outside the region), could you also graphically highlight the locations of cities/regions when you refer to them in the voiceover? these explainers are highly educational for those of us in the West unfamiliar with the region and eager to learn more but less well acquainted with the geography, and labeling helps a lot.
I'm so glad you've acquired sponsorship. i mean, not that i love commercials, but, good for you. it's one metric of your value to the community. 💛
p.s. your English usage & pronunciation are superior to most natives!
Croatia is definitely the current winner of the Yugoslavia break-up.
with territory YES, but with life after break-up NOUP
No, it lost 800,000 people, birth rates are deeply negative. The country is physically dying just like all other Balkan states. Yugoslavia was as good as it got for Croatia.
Maybe land switch between them?? I don't understand why EU keen to fund this project. It's not priority. Even Italy boot and Sicily don't have bridge which is very important than others i think.
The EU funds most transportation projects (well, it does it less and less with road infrastructure because of environmental reasons, but it still funds countries stablishing its core network). Yet, it doesn't propose the projects for the most part (except for trans-european corridors agreed between all members, that still are mostly proposed by the countries of the regions for each of its sections).
On regular projects, it is the countries which have to make the move: write the project and submit it for funding (which is never a full funding). Italy didn't submit nor doesn't have concrete plans of a bridge to Sicily. While Croatia did it here. It would simply take for Italy to submit a project for the bridge for it to be funded, particularly taking into consideration it is on a region that is under the EU avarege on economic development. But it depends on the will of the regional/national governments, not the EU.
Dude what
Switch lands? are you stupid ? This is not Arabia
How much coastline do you want!
Croatia: do I really have to answer?
What's that supposed to mean?! Croatia is building the bridge at undeniably it's sovereign waters!
@@fapmashina1 yes I know ...but I was just joking ...sorry if I made you feel bad. :(
@@josiprakovac3284 exactly, the land has belonged to croats for years and they have earned it with their sacrifice and blood. I fully support Croatia, it's a beautiful nation and a prosperous one. I apologise if I hurt you. Lots of love from India 🇮🇳
@@josiprakovac3284 yeah I understand it's pretty normal human reaction. Everyone gets pumped up for their nation. All cool. I am from J&K, India.
@@josiprakovac3284 yes I live in J&K and it's sad to hear that but everyday one or two of our soldiers are dying due to continuous ceasefire violations by Pakistan. It's just sad that so much young blood is being spilled. I am sorry for your loss. I guess he might have fought in kargil war. It was one of the most cowardly acts done by any nation.
Croatia 🇭🇷 like Chile 🇨🇱 enjoys making their neighbors lose access to the sea lol
we are almost same people,language and Croatian helps alot to Bosnia in lot ways
As if there's not enough nationalism in the comments already, you've just invited the Bolivians to have a go...ha ha nice one.
Yea croatia "hepled" making joint criminal enterprise
Excellent work, thank you. Your productions are 5 stars and obviously getting noticed. Well done!
Although this video is full of inaccuracies and misleading far-fetched conclusions that have very little in common to the facts.
For instance how exactly is Croatia gonna "block" Bosnia-herzegovina by building bridge with ceiling of 55 meters above sea-level and five 250 meters wide passages, something that is extremely large for all Adriatic region let alone tiny and very shallow waters Neum bay?!
Author is giving false impression as if Croatia is building another Hoover dam, not the bridge with large passages intended for maritime traffic!
Also, he doesn't mention that Croatia and BiH have conducted negotiations for over 10 years and agreed upon bridge construction details!
Also, Croatia is building this bridge on undeniably it's own territory including internal waters!
There are also some other issues.
Love your vids!! Would also love it if you do one about the Philippines, especially that our country is struggling in the pandemic and the presidential elections will be held next year. Looking forward to more of your reports.
it's really amazing knowing the geopolitical side of things. I saw one video about the same bridge praised about how massive the project is and it's significance in physically uniting a country and then this video.
I have always thought that Bosnian citizens of the Catholic faith live in the town of Neum, among other religions. However, you say that Croats live there. Hmm interesting ?! I'm totally confused. Or you need learn something dude!
@@Ffhh391 Croats do live in Neum, and in entirety of western Herzegovina, they are of Croatian origin, they identify themselves as Croats, in all sports they celebrate Croatia's win, and don't care at all about Bosnian games, etc etc...
The reason why BiH is so confusing is because it isn't a normal country as most other countries (Italians live in Italy, Germans in Germany, Russians in Russia...), but rather it is a mix of 3 peoples (Croats, Serbs, and muslims called "Bosniaks") and artificially drawn border where nobody is happy with the solution.
Why this way in particular?
Because in 1995, the US and EU wouldn't allow fully muslim country in the heart of Europe, so they draw borders to include Croats and Serbs into the mix so that everybody in this "country" remains angry and poor. (This is the simplest possible explanation of the situation)
"The flow of goods and cargo will be altered". As a local, I must point out that there is literally 0 traffic there right now, the "port" of Neum is too shallow to even receive cruise ships anyway and it would take years to alter the sea floor to allow such ships to dock. Furthermore, the bridge was designed with the potential traffic in mind (Bosnia and Herzegovina used commercial freight ships as an argument to skyrocket the height of the bridge, boosting up the price of the bridge).
The truth is a little bit more political. Current arangement allows Bosnia to use the port of Ploce because they are not making a hassle at Neum with border checks. With the bridge being constructed they are losing their leverage and will probably have to start paying fairly for their use of a significant portion of the Ploce harbour.