PC Fans Types Explained... What is right for your setup?
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Suggestion: I think a playlist with videos geared towards first-time builders/people just getting into this would be amazingly helpful, as a lot of the time we don't even know what questions we need answered
Incase anyone needs clarity on the fluid vs liquid: a fluid is anything that can flow, in this case air, while a liquid is a state of matter.
Right. All liquids are fluids, but not all fluids are liquids.
all gases and plasmas are fluids. basically if it's not solid it's fluid.
You beat me to it, when Jay said air is a liquid (when he clearly meant fluid) the pedantic portion of my brain nearly exploded.
Right, liquid, gas, and plasma are all fluids.
Plasma's a real bitch to deal with tho, as anyone who's trying to design a fusion reactor will tell you. One of the most apt metaphors I've heard for how difficult it is to use magnetic fields to confine plasma is "It's like trying to contain Jello using only rubber bands".
I wish the best of luck to the people working on the ITER project, but I have more hope for inertially confined designs at least initially.
Additionally, liquids are generally incompressible, where gas can be compressed, which significantly changes flow characteristics
Noctua fans have impressed me. Silent and efficient.
have you look the new T20 from Phanteks????just saying!!!
They are amazing … but that god awful color.
@@shinyvarnish its fortunate that Noctua finally has a redux and chromax line. All they were missing before was aesthetic appeal. Now they have it!
And lasting forever.
Not the best fans anymore but they're definitely top for customer service and qc
There is a hybrid bearing used by Noctua. The self-stabilizing oil-pressure bearing (SSO bearing) is a blend of the fluid bearing and maglev bearing. With Noctua's 6-year warranty, they seem to last longer than many fluid bearing fans, and the maglev component should help with all orientations.
I have a NF-P12 from 2008 and he is still running without a bearing noise. The fan ran ~100'000h over the years in my server. Thats why iI have only Noctuas in my PC.
@@H1zN Have two NF-A8 in my PA amp since 09. Zero complaints. That amp runs pretty warm and eats dust like crazy. Without me cleaning it, that thing would look like a vacuum cleaner dust bag. On top of that, the amp gets used outside in the hot summer sun too. Inside can get up to toasty 60-70C.
Love the nf-p12, but the ones I have from that era that were vertically mounted (blowing air out/in the side/backs of the case) started to make noise last year. The ones that were mounted to the top are still 100%.
Not sure why you would want a fluid in a maglev bearing, but ok. You already have low friction with the maglev, introducing a fluid will only cause more friction.
@@Jalahr77 you raise an interesting point. I'm only speculating but perhaps this cuts down build costs of a full maglev bearing while allowing a lesser maglev system to split the workload with a smaller amount of fluid than typically used in a full fluid system. This way neither component bears the brunt of the workload, perhaps lengthening the lifespan of each component. I'm suggesting this due to the competitive cost of the Noctua Redux line and how full maglev bearings are regarded as some of the most expensive.
Jay: Does a whole video on fan types and what the differences are
Also Jay: Just buy the one that's cheap and looks cool 😎
I mean, it's a fan. Being cool is it's job. ;)
@@Triaxx2 Here I thought that having hot fans was preferred, someone needs to tell this to all those cool famous people.
I'll take the loudest server fan possible plz.
lol so true man for my build I bought cheap 120mm with blue led and each one only cost 7.50 euro!
and I put 3 fans in the front and kept the stock fan on the back because my case glass on the sides is tinted black so you can't really look inside xD
You can take Jay out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the Jay.
I almost died when you talked about the fluid bearing causing wobble and smacking it is a temporary fix. I had shitty cheap fans in my old rig and had that issue so i was always smacking my case on startup. You bringing that up was a blast from the past.
I actually just recently had one of my LianLi SL120s that had that happen, not even a year old, thank god for manufacturer warranty! Those are annoying to find.
My laptop currently does this and began doing it after I dropped it once- now I know how to get it fixed
@@pyraffin You'll probably have to get replacement fan to fix that. You can usually find replacement fans for even pretty obscure laptop models online but just finding someone who knows how to do it might be the issue
My coolermaster HAF tower did that. The 200mm fans died one by one, and I would smack them all the time to fit it.
Great tutorial! My 10-year-old Antec case came with a full set of basic fluid bearing air flow fans. The 3 front-mounted 120mm fans recently died, presumably because they had the toughest job pulling air into the case through a dust filter. The single top-mounted 200mm and dual rear-mounted 90mm exhaust fans are still running smoothly to this day.
Great content! I always enjoy the simple stuff that sometimes in my head isn't so simple. It's nice to get refreshers and new people in the space to get some pointers.
i’ll just say that i’m a big fan
Damn that was pretty cool
do you oscillate and blow
😒
@@LilTachanka perhaps
@Muuni - I agree this was FANtastic
Jay, I am loving the content this month! So helpful.
could say your a fan
@@redpacg5128 that was terrible
So helpful is an understatement
Absolutely killing it this month
Yeah! Fairly informative
I used to have my whole case full of the af and sp fans but got noises. I've now got it full of the maglevs and they are such a game changer! Unbelievably quiet and effective. Certainly sticking to then from now on
Addition: Mag-Lev fans are also easier to drive. I had a Corsair Air 540 with an MSI Z97 motherboard. The 1 rear + 2 top fans were on a single header and it wouldn't power them all. Doing that same configuration with Mag-Lev fans enabled that one header to power all of them.
While possibly true, it also depends on how much power the fan itself needs and and what the header can provide. If you switched from 3, as jay points out, 0,35A fans to 3 0,25A fans than it doesn't matter if they are maglev or bb or fluid, they WILL now all run.
Obviously I can see the frictionless maglev fans needing very little power to run compared to any other bearing type, so I'm not denying that.
Then you get into server and rack equipment fans, where you're spinning a tiny little fan at like 20k RPM, with 6 of those in a single unit. Pretty much sounds like a jet taking off.
Kinda want that when I get a house one day
I miss the sounds of server racks. So much so, every fan runs at 100% in all my rigs. Something about it is so soothing.
@@WahlVids - That's terrible for your hearing...
Thinking about server rack fans makes my ears bleed
I love it!
Dell Slim Rack mounted server sounds like a Jet taking off every time you turn it on.
Jay could you do this for every part of PC? It would help a lot to people who are new to PC builds and stuff
How would you do anything like this for all parts?
@@slyguybry8582 how mobo works, what to look at it?
Ram speed latency?
@@user-sx6rm9uu7q i think those two would make a very short video, but yes, it is possible.
Now, how could you do a video like this about the: CPU, GPU, PSU, hard drive, case?
@@user-sx6rm9uu7q that’s all available on the internet?
Learn to research ?
@@j.b.7133 I've learned a lot from watching youtube videos, don't gatekeep.
you just got my golden buzzer Jay! I really enjoy your tough love approach!
Just letting you know, JTC-production, that the dialogue sounds slightly panned to the left, by say 15-20% from center (I can hear it and see it on a meter), and it has been like this for at least months now. - Not a huge deal, but either there's a pan-setting in the editor off-center or there's something wrong with a contact in the recording-gear.
Yeah, i've noticed too. Hopefully they see this but it's not a big deal really.
or the editor needs a hearing test due to all the construction lol. my left ear tested 5dB better than my right, for example. could be dying headphones too.
i've not noticed it myself but i squash to mono and compress/normalise audio on youtube with breakaway anyway cause everybody levels/peaks/dynamics stuff differently
On the NZXT fan, I love how Jay basically says that the fan is horrible in any NZXT case.
200mm fan motor wearing out? What's the power load? 4 pin only, not 4-pin fan power connectors or a 6-8 fan pin power connector on the mobo as power bandwidth on one connector usually works in software controls on the motherboard here for PC case cooling? Does it need more power to run it correctly here, as the more significant the motor, the more power it usually needs here, like your can fan on your radiator or a car engine?
@@john-paulhunt2604 you okay man
Dont't know about that but I swapped mine out anyway.
@@john-paulhunt2604 bro relax lol, he's referring to how Jay said that those types of fans are not good at pulling air around obstructions or off of side air panels which is pretty much all of NZXT's cases lol
Can’t wait too see gn’s testing on this subject
I suspect Arctic F12 PWMs to do very well considering their price. $40 for a pack of 5. They are really good cheap fans that last a decent life-cycle for a PC. They are a hybrid design for airflow/pressure but seem to do as good or better than more expensive fans in their same performance range.
@@JosephArata I can get a pack of p12 for around 20€ + shipping here in Italy.
@@JosephArata You mean P12/14
@@mab2187 P14 are whiny at around 700-900 RPM.
@@kyoudaiken I've only bought one 5 pack of P14 but none of them are whiny. I used them to replace a bunch of dusty fans, which are ashamedly still sitting in the arctic box just as dusty as the day I switched them.
Probably would be good to say that there are many different names for the same bearing: Fluid Dynamic Bearing (FDB) may also be called a Rifle Bearing or Hydro Dynamic Bearing (HDB) depending on manufacturer. This bearing in any of its variations is overall superior to the "sleeve bearing" which implies no rifling system to keep the fluid in motion.
in reality, it's everything just about luck, sleeve fan can be better than some fancy noctua, but it can be even terrible
Great video, I really like how you described the different bearing types, and how orientation can play a factor over a fan's lifetime!
9 yrs old Antec fans still going strong. on 3rd build in this case. 3 120's and ball bearing "big boy 200"
Thanks for the explanation on the bearings, I live in an area with constant sandstorms and I had the suspicion the fans kept failing every few years because of them being fluid bearing and the sand/dust (PM2.5) getting in there.
That would do it. Ball bearing fans could also fail over time if they aren't sealed properly, or if sand works its way into the balls over time and you have crushed up fine dust all over inside. Maglev all the way.
@@bluephreakr Also for people that live in very cold conditions maglev would be better over the other three
I've been living in a renovation home for a bunch of years. With all the dust, I could just see the fans dying left and right. Upgraded to Noctua's industrial line of fans, some are rated for IP67. 5years later still going strong. Even washed them in the sink between builds 😅
That said, consider getting a HEPA filter for your home. After all, *you're* breathing that dusty air too.
@@fat_pigeon Had never seen anything like that here, just dunno maybe if it doesn't heat up the house more and is expensive I could see it being useful thanks
Here we just tend to seal the upper sides of windows and doors and put wet towels where they meet the frames to "catch" without letting sand/dust or volcanic ash (we're going through a volcanic eruption in the archipelago so that ain't helping lol) in
I knew a lot of the fan-knowledge but your explanations of the different bearing types was great, new knowledge to me! Thanks Jay!
Thank you jay for telling why I have one noisy fan, I live in a dry dusty region and it's a vertical mount... it hasn't died yet but now I know what to shop for when it does!
The increased sweep at the end of the new static pressure fans is to lower the noise caused by the fan. The majority of fan noise is generated by the resistance at the tip (the fastest moving part of the fan). Increasing the sweep right at the tip lowers the resistance at that point while increasing the resistance where the sweep reduces closer to the hub. It also has the effect of increasing static pressure, but the main purpose of that exaggerated sweep right at the end is to reduce noise.
I have a Cooler Master Storm Sniper case that has a 200 mm fan mounted on the side. Fan has been running silently every single day for 11 years. Best case/fans I’ve ever had.
I have a Cooler Master HAF case with a pair of 200 mm fans. Both still work fine after 7 years of use.
cooler master 200mm fan on a home-cut acrylic side panel still running since end of 2014, it's not running max speed tough 500rpm, was pretty much mandatory for "good old" sli
This wasn't boring at all, this was very interesting! I didn't know there was so much science behind it and this ist so cool that you made a video about this topic.
15:15 - Been in this exact situation for months and it's been driving me crazy, wasn't 100% sure if it was my case, the fan, or what. Tried looking around online and saw like a million different suggestions but never once heard about fluid bearings. Awesome video, going to look for a new fan!
I've had my Antec 1200 case for years and years now, I can't even remember exactly how long but it was a new case at the time. It's so old I had to go to Antec direct to source the USB 3.0 upgrades to refresh the front I/O and I paid a ridiculous price to do it too. I was surprised they still even had spares since all they seem to do nowadays is fans and even those are few and far between. But, I digress, from the day I bought the case until today I've run the stock fans (5x 120mm, 3x front and 2x rear and 1x 200mm fan on top - I think they are all ball bearing) and not a single one has failed, gone weird, needed to be replaced, or started making weird noises (In this I hit the fan lottery jackpot). We are talking at least 8 years. It's an admittedly ancient case with non of the mod-cons I'd like, such as a basement, cable routing channels, the fans themselves are still MOLEX so it's manual fan controls for each individual fan... but I can honestly say I think the case and the fans will outlast me, and I'm 34. I would love to upgrade to a new case along with new components whenever I can actually afford such frivolities in these weird and trying times; but you know, I think I'd miss the old girl stood ten feet tall on my desk if I ever did replace her. At this point though the Antec 1200 is like your Skunkworks; 1. A museum piece and, 2. they just don't build 'em like that anymore.
I also have an original Antec 1200 Gaming tower (has to be at least 12 years old). I have had to replace all the 120mm fans, but that 200mm blowhole fan keeps on going and going. I did end up using 120mm fans that I plug directly into the mainboard instead of using the manual controls for the fans provided with the case originally. Basically the same setup, 3 x 120mm pulling air in the front through the filters and 2 x 120mm pushing out the back, plus the 200mm blowhole pushing out the top. I have not bothered swapping the front I/O, since I never plug in anything there that needs more than plain old USB 1. I love this case, even with some of it's pain points (SO MANY THUMBSCREWS).
I agree. I have a Ryzen system but I still use my Coolermaster Storm Trooper case. Its big, its heavy, its built like a tank. I haven't found an other case I like. Tempered glass isn't for me and I like big cases. I even run a 280mm AiO in it up top.
Antec 900 here, the little brother checking in, I had a 2 blades break when cleaning it , considering it lasted this long it is my favorite case from my childhood and will not ever get rid of it, I replaced it with a thermaltek fan drilled new mounting points and bolted it in , it doesnt have a speed setting anymore but it works!! still the antec 1200/900/whateverthesmallonewas, hold my opinion as one of the best airflow cases.
Antec used to build durable hardware but the quality is gone now. With manufactured obsolescence and corporate greed, we get stuff that doesn't last even a year no matter the price bracket. The amount of e-waste and rare earth metal wastage will come to bite us back hard...
I used an Antec 900 for my midrange gaming PC for around 14 years straight, lol. I just took parts out, upgraded them, and put them back in for every upgrade.
Love this idea - to come back and discuss things you already have from years ago. As a noob to the PC building world I have learned a TON from this channel!!! Jay has educated me on things I had absolutely no idea about, thus increasing my desire to get more into computer building.
Great channel, excellent explanations and would LOVE to see more of these videos re-addressing past topics!
Five year old build with a couple GPU upgrades along the way. I splurged and used the fans that came with the case. Still using the same fans. I bought a pair of Noctuas, but never really needed them. Jay is right. Knowledge is King and don't go crazy worrying about fans.
Great video. For years I've always looked at fluid dynamic bearings I thought they were like the best because they had some kind of fluid in them. Then realize that that was actually the lowest quality bearing thanks to this video. I still have yet to have any fluid dynamic bearings fail, but I also know that I don't mount them upside down either.
But I'm still very happy with my deep cool CF140s that I have in my case, except for the fact that the stickers are coming off of them and they start rattling up against fan filters.
I guess you could say this video is about... Only Fans
I'll show myself out now
don't forget to subscribe for $5 a month
No, don't go, we need mre people like you.
I wanna see bare betal fans.
I was here looking to make that joke, tip of the hat to you, well played.
sauce for the 4tb file?
I just want to thank JayzTwoCents and the things i've learned from this channel through the years. Keep up the good work guys!
Really appreciate your insight on the different designs Jay!
2 years later....So happy I found this video on the list. I had lots of fan questions. Now I can resume building. Thank you!
I've been using same 5 Noctua NF-F14 fans in my systems for the past 10+ years, at the time paying around $25 each for them seemed outrageous but the fact they have lasted this long spinning countless hours probably has been one of my better PC investments.
I miss RTFM... But getting some lubricated shaft action makes up for some of it...
Did he ever say what happened to RTFM? I’ve been waiting for a new episode😠
@@shaunvalencia2644 It had something to do with doing the live streams hurting other areas in CZcams's analytics for them getting paid. He did release something on here about it.
Such a useful starting video! Thanks!
Back about 18 years ago I got my first 'real job' and I replaced most of my fans on my *amazing* Core2 machines. Finally done with awful stock fans I found some good deals on Corsair and Enermax fans that were a huge upgrade. All my stuff lives in a well sealed basement. I get a lot of dirt as all dirt settles to the bottom of the house, and the basement is the gateway to yard work, but the air itself is well filtered as I have got problems lol.
At any rate, all the sudden in the last 2 months I have lost 2 enermax fans, 1 corsair, 1 old stock fan, and 2 more are starting to make noises, and I realized... I haven't bought a fan since before my kids were born! I didn't even have a house yet! I guess it is time for some new fans... Also, why did I drop that much money on case fans when I was attempting to save for a house?!?
lol, anywho, just goes to show, keep the air clean and fans can last a goooood long time without issues and can be worth the money. I run my machines essentially 24/7, and I have only had to replace 2-3 fans in that time of the 20+ fans in my systems until very recently. And also, how crazy is it that after nearly 20 years I am still using the same computer cases, because none of the mounting standards have changed? That's kind of nuts.
Thanks I have an older giant cavernous case and I know I'm due for fans replacement, it's helpful to see what newer tech is out now. My case uses a minimum of 8 and can do like 12 and then there's different sizes like 140mm and the rears are 120mm. Thanks for helping with my research Jay!
Nothing wrong with going back to basics.
true
Great video. I went through this fan game a couple months back when I was buying all new fans for a new rig I was building, it was hard getting concrete answers to a lot of what you brought up. Thanks for Jaytober!!!
Great video. Having used SP fans for the last 15 years for everything - its good to learn theres a difference!
Thanks for all your videos! I appreciate that its just calm, clear, staight forward, and free of b.s. I am about to buold my first pc since 2003 and you are helping me in the process!
Jay, I appreciate the fact that you take the time to do videos such as this one. Just because a lot of us might know this, there are more people than we know that don't. So you taking the time to cover a spectrum of people is awesome. Keep it coming. Even if we know it. It's could to be refreshed on certain topics anyway!
The Lian Li 215 case comes with 2 x 200mm argb fans in the front.
I really like that case for a lot of reasons. My current rig is sitting in one and it's the third one I've built in, overall
Yeah i'm also using a lancool 215 atm, and it is fantastic. Plenty of cooling, nice looks and pretty quiet when configured correctly
I have one too, very cool case, although I plan on swapping to a 011 mini and giving the 215 to my gf
Lovely case to build in as well. Really loving mine.
I had a lancool 215. That things dust filter didn't work for me and I don't live in a dusty area or have my window open like ever. Also the 200mm fan started to do what he said and rattle until I smacked it after 3 months. Great case and looks good though
@@cooleyzz it doesn't have a dust filter. Just a front mesh which isn't very fine at all.
I spent way more time researching fans than any other component for my current build. Case is Thermaltake Core X9.
Front intake: two 200mm Thermaltake,
Top exhaust: one 360 Corsair AIO, plus three 140mm Thermaltake,
Right intake: three 140mm Thermaltake,
Bottom intake: one 120mm Thermaltake,
Rear exhaust: two 140mm Thermaltake.
I totaled the advertised CFM, subtracted 10% for variance, and came up with approximately 520 CFM for intake, 540 CFM for exhaust. I'm not sure how relevant that info is compared to actual airflow. Time and testing will tell.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
I absolutely needed this video, thanks JayzTwoCents!!
Very informative video Jay, I've been running Mag Lev fans for the past year or so with zero issues and very quiet. Glad to hear I have years to look forward to with them!
I switched to the Corsair ML series on my first build after they came out, and they're all I use now for both the case and radiator fans. They're quite loud at 100%, but they can be easily run at 50-75% very quietly and still move quite a bit of air. Plus, I can get them without RGB :)
I've revived several fans by pulling the sticker back and pulling sewing machine oil in. The price to replace fans is stupid expensive it's worth reviving the old ones where possible
Same. Still running good 24/7 after a few years.
Not sure if Q20 is a global product but yeah that saved my CM 200mm fan
My build currently has 6 Corsair ML-120s with no lighting/RGB on them. I paid $AUD 50 per twin pack so they were not too bad price wise. So far they have lasted 3 years with no issues. Maintenance wise I tend to clean my dust filters every week or two (basically when they start looking dusty) and do a full maintenance (partial teardown, deep dusting and water change) every 6 months or so.
This is why I like this channel. Every once in a while Jay does these basic fresher videos about stuff that we take for granted.
Maybe you take it for granted, but don't speak for everyone. Each piece of my build is just as important as the pieces around it, and are treated with the same level of respect
Was hoping he’d talk about the kind of fans/bearings inside of GPU fans and if having a GPU mounted vertically makes a difference in their lifespan
I was hoping that you'd understand that he did.
Get out of the fridge and look up the spec of the card on the manufacturers site.
You already chose asthetics over functionality when you extended the circuit paths between your GPU and CPU and PSU.
Why bother with Science now?
@@truthsRsung bruh get a life, get a job, just do something to make u happy. not just shit talk people lmfao
@@subhan4883 when you look at yourself and decide it is better not to speak
I'm a huge fan (pun intended) of the Arctic P12 for everything in my LANCOOL II case (thanks again Jay for the video on that). They can be purchased in packs of 5 for sometimes as little as $25 for the 3-pin 120mm version. I started off buying two for my Kraken X53 and ended up getting ten more to fill my entire case as well as set up the X53 in push/pull (liquid is at 27°C idle right now). They are quieter than the Lian-Li case fans, UNi Fan SL120s, NZXT 120mm fans that came with the X53, and the three shroud fans that used to be on my Strix 3070. I removed the shroud on the 3070 and clipped two of the P12s directly over the OEM heatsink and connected them to the fan headers on the GPU. Using GPU Tweak II to ramp the fans to 100% the P12s keep the card super cold (it's idling at 29°C right now). The P8, P12, and P14 come in many different variations with piggy-backing, PWM, thin, white, super quiet, transparent, RGB, and temperature-controlled. I have them running at 100% all the time and I barely notice they are there. They are optimized for static pressure but work great as case fans as well.
Technical Info - Fan speed: 1800 RPM, Airflow: 56.3 CFM/95.65 m³/h (@ 1800 RPM), Noise Level: 0.3 Sone (@ 1800 RPM), Pin: 3-pin (no reason to go PWM if they are at 100% all the time)
I was planning to buy P12 PWM for every fan slot, but after watching this video I started considering P12 CO (continuous operation), which has dual ball bearing for 2 slots on the top as exhaust.
To your question at the end of the video, i have 5 "PC Cooler" Fan (Those cheap one Kyle(Bitwit) Showed. Hydraulic bearing is what those fan turn on. I have them since */04/2018. They still run smoothly, no weird noise coming from them. The only thing that has failed is some Blue LED that got dimmer.
I also have 2 Cooler Master fan from my AIO... Horrible noise since day 1 coming out of them if the RPM is past 1500
I don't find this a boring subject at all! I watched your last video on it too, and that video taught me what fans I needed for my first wartercooled setup. Hopefully more beginners get help from videos like this. Even as an "old timer" they are entertaining.
they were abit too entertaining
This is the type of content that made me subscribe to the channel. Thanks for going back to the basics Jay!!
My cool master HAF case has 2 200mm fans still going 10 years later :)
I am using Corsair AF and SP maglev fans I bought back in early 2016 (6 years almost) and they are still going strong on my cases and AIOs. Not to mention they produce a lot less noise. Well worth the cost.
Thanks for going over this. This was awesome information to go back over :). Thanks for all the work Phill, Jay and Nick :)
The fact that I've been watching all these videos about PC stuff and I have learned something a thing or two along the way, I must say that it comes quite handy to have this kind of knowledge for beginners who are getting into PC building.
I had a CM HAF case that had one 200mm intake in the front and one 200mm exhaust in the top and it was a great setup. Both quiet and had amazing airflow. It’s actually still running today with the original fans in a machine I built for my Dad. It’s probably 10+ years old at this point.
Exactly the same - CM Haf bought when they first came out, side mounted 200mm fan, been run pretty much continuously from day one, zero problems, zero noise issues.
That's nutty, I also have my old rig still in it's old HAF. Never had problems with it. I've been thinking about getting a bigger better case for my next build at first but then I realized the HAF could maybe see the light of day again?
I gotta figure out what the radiator options are for it though... that's gonna be a half headache but surely the info is online somewhere...
@@QuantumConundrum the only issue with building in that case these days is that the front panel only had USB 2.0 ports, although I put a $25 4-port USB 3.0 hub in one of the 5.5 inch bays in the front for my Dad’s rig, so that sort of fixed the problem. Like you said, it’s a monster of a case in terms of internal size. You could easily fit something like a Noctua DH-15 in there rather than a radiator.
@@acegh0st For years I ran it with rads - purely for the quietness that W/C lets you achieve - but for my last build about 12 months ago I decided to give air another go. I'm actually running a DH-15 in it at the mo, along with the stock 200mm in the side, and the stock 120 or 140 in the front.
The only problem I've ever had with that case is that one of the feet on it collapsed !
(HAF 932 ATX)
@@Steve_1401 It's actually pretty funny, because, iirc, the first build I did in this case used one 120mm radiator in the rear fan slot!?! That was when AIOs were a new thing and I think it was a Corsair H60(?) or similar. You'd never consider something like that in such a roomy case nowadays. I was pretty new to building computers, then. With the 2 x 200mm fans it obviously had ridiculous airflow through the chassis, though. Nowadays, I think it has a basic CM H212 EVO Black CPU cooler in it, cooling an i7 3770k. Video card is a GTX1060 6GB. Its a basic machine for modern gaming, but my dad mostly plays stuff like World of Tanks and and WOWS, so it works fine, even at 1440 res.
This was not boring at all since I learned a lot from you about fans and I thank you for all the info.
Running 6 Swiftech Helix 120 fans in the pull arrangement on 2 Swiftech MCR320QP rev 2 radiators plumbed in parallel.
All water cooling components, except the cpu and gpu blocks are external to the pc case. Running 2 Swiftech MCP655 pumps in series.
The above items have been running in a garage (non cooled / unfiltered - Inland Empire CA) environment 24 / 7 since 1/1/2013 !
Loving these daily uploads and your Halloween series, these videos are really helpful and fun to watch Jayz.
I did actually learn these stuff today so thanks jay, Though I kinda wish you had pictures or animations of those different bearings and how they work to easily understand them.
Still though, great stuff! Big Fan!
Tanks for this one. Quite intsructive! Keep them comming and I'll keep viewing then liking!
Gonna be honest when he asked the question about what are we using in our rigs, i realized i had no idea.. I've never built a super high end system and i never overckock so things like water cooling were never a factor. Doing additional research and watching his videos and linus on case air cooling im not even sure which direction (exhaust versus intake) my add on fans are facing. Learned a lot today from old videos. Thank you!
Well I’ve got quite a hodgepodge of fans in my rig, 1 Noctua, 1 Arctic, 1 Thermaltake, 1 cheap Corsair and 2 be quiet! fans on my AIO. So far so good, they all work well.
Have you noticed any sound difference between the Noctua and Arctic?
@@phoenixfire8978 I can't really compare the Noctua and the Arctic F12 120mm as the Noctua is a 700RPM airflow fan and the Arctic is a static airpressure fan but in saying that I find the speed I can run the Arctic before it's annoying is quite high. And it seriously moves air, I have it as top intake on my Thermaltake Core V21 over the graphics card.
I have been wondering what happened to the AF and SP fans. Thank you for finally clearing that up for me.
currently running nothing but Noctua NF-F12 and F14 3000 rpm fans in my small NR200. Probably overkill, but they move a lot of air at low speeds so they don't get loud.
I've watched this a couple of times already. Really informative video. Thanks Jay.
I am running several Noctua NF-P12 redux for my general case fans. Bought them in October 2019, they are 2 years old now and still going strong! Currently they are the best fans I have ever owned, and only cost me about $12 a fan.
Jay: "Air is a liquid"
Me: "So are we just land fish with lungs as gills then?"
Yes, yes we are
3rd man: I don't use RGB as it increases power draw here.
Air is a fluid, which Phil fixed by putting that text onscreen when Jay said liquid (**fluid)
I was tempted to go the whole solid/liquid/gas argument...
But after a couple of beers, I realised alcohol was a solution and a problem so I didn't bother
Liquid air would keep your system very cool.
Never had a single fan die since my original liquid cooled build 8 years ago. Have always used Noctua fans since then though. Currently running all NF A12X25s super quiet and very high airflow through anything.
I'm 14 years on Coolermaster fans that came with my Cosmos case!
Love the educational content as always! Thank you, Jay!
I think Enermax was the first one with maglev fans, well before Corsair. I used their TwisterStorm fans for case fans as they had a microswitch built into them that let you control the RPM of the fan. Removing the need to plug them into the motherboard back when those connectors were extremely limited. They unfortunately had to be cleaned fairly regularly and would fail quite often. The upside being I'd get them from Frys for postage thanks to rebates for the full value.
i have the cheapest of the chepaest fans from Silentium PC, working great still on almost fuul speed, only 1 from my top case start to ratlinf little, puting him on front and rattling ended, like u said those bearings dont like to be face down;)
It's wild how someone like myself can know much about PCs while still knowing close to nothing about the simpler things. Good stuff Jay
You have to be a pretty sick individual to get into the weeds or fans. I went there and wound up with Kaze Flex fans and am happy for them, but man am I digusted with myself for how much time I wasted on the subject. Also, I think Corsair fans are obnoxious. I used to only go by max performance, now I'm more about performance at the lowest pleasant noise levels and tuning the fans down. This is by far my favorite setup and it didn't cost a fortune. I was so close to getting the NB eLoops but $120 on some fans seemed a bit silly when I saw it in the shopping cart. Haha
This video was very much needed thank you!
100% not boring. Very useful info. Thanks Jay!
Thinking about going with the ARCTIC P12 5-pack for $30 on Amazon.
Optimum Tech used them in a NR200 build with a 3070 FE a while back, and he seemed pretty satisfied with the performance
I'm working on a $800 build at the moment with i7-11700 and RX 480 (just a placeholder) so these should be good enough for now.
Noctua fans in traditional brown. So far, I've never had a Noctua fan fail on me. Some has run 24/7 for nearly five years without a hiccup. In fact, I have a box with older Noctua fans from prior builds that were still running fine when I was ready to decommission the computer.
Same here with Glacialtech fan from 2008-2009 that made in China. So what? It's mean 5-8 years for good fan is nothing.
I built my first PC almost 10years ago and still use some of the fans. Not a single fan died so far. But I remember my confusion about what fans to buy so this video would have been super great back then!!
I like the style and pragmatism with which you explain the PC world
You are very good
I watched some reviews and went with Arctic (140mm since that's what my case uses). They've compared well with Noctuas in tests. They are quiet, keep things cool, and were easy to wire. I paid around $45 for a 5 pack. They have a 7 year warranty, but at that price, if one fails I'll just put in a new one and not worry about it.
Same for me. I just put Arctic P12 PWM PST CO (included splitter and better bearing) everywhere.
Arctics are the go-to budget fan for achieving decent temps for the money spent, *BUT they have a **_terrible_** sound profile* -- at three different RPM ranges they sound like three different brands of fans.
An irregular sound profile is worse than simply being loud -- a loud but consistent sound profile will eventually get ignored by your brain. A constantly changing sound profile as temps change in your case will be continually noticed by your brain, forever.
Ultimately, this is the reason Arctics are cheap.
@@CognizantCheddar I've not noticed this as an issue, but my fans rarely go above 70%.
@@CrimFerret you're just about avoiding two of the three RPM ranges in which the sound profile changes, then, so sounds like Arctics are good for you.
For me, the whole point of a pwm fan is to use its entire rpm range, but to each their own
I've been running Noctua fans for almost 10 years, the most noisy part of my computer are the HDD now, when on idle or light load, then it's the CPU/GPU fans that take over.
Noc's are great fans.....I also use Corsair & Arctic......I switch back & forth between those 3 depending on price ,size,designation of what it's going to be used for and whether I want it to be colored or not.
HDD? :-)
I have some random 12mm fans that were pre-installed on my 40€ Sharkoon case. The HDDs are still the loudest part at idle. Even when my CPU (3700X with a Alpenföhn Ben Nevis cooler) is running at max the HDDs are about as load as that. Heavy gaming usually makes the GPU the loudest part by far though.
@@xuser48 hard disk drive
@@skullofhell1662 - I know. I just can't believe that anyone is still using them in their PC's. My only computer with HDD's is my server and it will be based on SSD's in its next iteration.
Just finished my build 3 months ago and decided on installing 9 Lianli SL120 fans because of their looks and less cable management. Didn’t know they are fluid bearing, now 2 of the 9 fans started to make loud noises. Both were placed horizontally, swapping one with vertical ones did make one of them stop. Just can’t believe the built quality lasted only 3 months. Switching to ball bearing!
It wasn't a boring subject (it was informational). I knew of 2 of the bearing types so this was enlightening (also about the environments to run the fans in; like dusty). Thanks @Jay
I love my ML fans, I swapped all of my old fans out and I'm using them for case fans and on my air cooler. Makes my system pretty quiet and about as bullet proof as I figure I can make it.
For 200mm fans, Noctua makes a really nice one. I really wish those would come back in vogue for case makers and fan makers - Imagine a 400mm radiator!
I really wish Jay covered the difference between 3-pin voltage control fans vs. 4-pin PWM fans. Many cases still has non-PWM 3-pin fans as the stock fans, so it would be nice to help the newbies who are confused as to why their case stock fans are different looking from the 4 pin fans, and why they can't use PWM signals to control their fans.
So should I buy sort of cheap case with preinstalled RGB 3-pin fans, or Buy non-rgb case and buy 4-pin RGB fans?
I've had 6 Lian Li SL120s and 1 SL140 sitting on my shelf since last January. Might finally be time to install them!
I learned something new today. Thank you for the pros/cons and great explanations.
I genuinely thought this video was satire, about "top 10 types of pc masterrace fans" and not actual blowing fans! Boy was i happily surprised to see this being an informational video!!
I got 3 thin static noctuas in front of my PC, meshify C, and two Corsairs on my 240mm radiator. My room is very dusty, but I never had issues with my fans because of that. I needed the thin noctuas because the 2070S GPU is too long for the "default" corsair fans.
I have been happily using my stock Corsair 140/120mm fans... they came with my Air 540 case and I think they are liquid bearing. 6 years old and still going strong! except the exhaust fan which stalled for a couple of days then started working again. Looking to have them replaced soon and this video was a godsend to be quite honest. I had no idea about those high pressure fans and I will probably get a couple for my case when the front fans finally give up.
I have been using Corsair's Air Series White LED (AF140 3x) and (SP140 3x) fans for 5 years now. All 6 fans are sleeve bearing. 2 have been mounted horizontal and 4 vertical for all 5 years, no issues whatsoever. Dust environment is above average but case filters are cleaned every 3-6 months and fans are dusted off about every 1-2 years. Very happy with them considering i paid $85 for all 6 fans in 2017.
What do fluid bearings and walruses have in common?
Theyre both looking for a tight seal 😆👍
That reminds of that joke - "What's the difference between a Hybrid car driver and a Hedgehog?" - "On the Hedgehog the pricks are on the outside"!
Read this comment halfway through the video. Chuckled every time he said seal after that.
Oh, the pain, the pain!
And to Wild Bill,
"That's Mr. Prick, Sir."
😁
Is your walrus into beastiality?
U guys crack me up w some of these responses 🤣👍
I'd just say that, as far as I know, Sunon was the first to do MagLev bearings in fans and I'm not sure if Corsair is doing their own, or if they've licenced the tech from Sunon, but they're certainly not the first.
Thanks for this video! I learned much, never actually thought too much about fans, allways took one from brand I know and that was it, now building computer for a friend I have another thing to think about.
One of the fans I've been using is a CoolerMaster MegaFlow 200 Red LED Silent Fan which has a sleeve bearing, it's been running great for 10 years, the system is on 12-15 hours every day without fail and it is still going strong. Every fan in that system has lasted the distance and is in a dusty environment.