The Harsh Reality For 50% Of Women
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Dr Jordan B. Peterson reacts to 50% of women being childless by 30. ONS has recently released data saying that 50.1% of women haven’t had children by age 30. Why does Jordan Peterson think that women are having fewer and fewer children? Why are women having children later in life? Does Jordan Peterson think that population collapse is imminent?
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@@mosesking2923 What a terrible person
I was childless at age 58, when my partner of 20 years suggested children. I worked and was fine not having kids. He was age 60 and organized the birth of twins by egg donor/carrier. So, I raised my 13 year olds from birth at a late age, experiencing both states of womanhood in my lifetime. I would say childless women may be happier, have time for opportunities for self-expression, and lead more interesting lives. But, I deeply love my children and cannot deny that the experience is profound, my understanding of life broadened, and am a less selfish person as a result.
@@gracielchiu Sounds Ace, older parents have a richer comprehension of the pitfalls their children can face, which has to be benificial
You tease you 😂
@@Josh-tf9cr I understand his point, however I don’t think Christ himself would hope for tragedy in hopes of growth. The issue is “hoping” for bad things to happen. Obviously pain and suffering allow for growth but I personally think it’s better to hope they recover instead of hoping they deal with consequences.
When men don't want children, its normal. But when women don't want children, it raises questions.
I know. It’s just so ridiculous
Says who? No one is forcing you to have kids ....
men deal better with being alone than women do. that is a fact
@@spiritofalaska But don't studies show that women (whether married or not) have a larger support system 🙄🙄🙄
@@ABC-ho5jo that is why i wrote men can deal with being alone better than women, because we usually don´t need bunch of "support groups". we enjoy lone time much more.. also the "girl squads" don´t last. because times change and people move or some get married then the ones who never get married or have children are all left alone by themselfes. there are alot of single and lone women out there
I was raised by a narcissistic woman and I find that I meet too many narcissistic women. I'm great believer that "All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve children." My greatest fear is to be trapped in loveless marriage and the children are the collateral damage.
That doesn't excuse ending your own bloodline like a dumbfuck.
@@Slavkleos
Bloodlines don’t matter. 😋
Same goes for women.
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agreed! it`s awful and difficult to even see how wonderful family can be when your first, important years were ruined by family. Nowadays you dont wanna deal with any of that shit
would prefer option what guarantee: peace, no stress and anxiety all the time. Just saying pls do what you think its best for you. You know yourself better than anyone
Life has non sense, and kids are expensive. PERIOD
Once you get past mid/late 30s the chance of a child being born premature or other defects increases, even if It's expensive, declining population is not good.
@@PK-pp3lu
When the population is over 8 billion, declining population IS a good thing. 😋
Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you HAVE to !
But it can mean you should do.
@@brianterence3211 …. No
@@brianterence3211 free will is a thing
@@brianterence3211
It doesn't mean you should
@@brianterence3211
Doesn’t mean you have to or should. 😋😘
I am a woman, aged 60, never married, no children. For me it was the right decision, it is the lifestyle that suits my personality. That being said, I encouraged all the young women who have worked for me through the decades, to remember that what they had was a job and only a job. We were all disposable at work. If what they wanted was a marriage, children and a family then they should save their money, plan ahead, find someone who they loved and respected and hand me their notice when they were ready to start their family. I could always replace staff. Their family could never replace them. Women fought for the right to choose our destinies. Wanting to be a wife and a mother is a fine choice and a service to our communities.
Wonderful sentiment. Your staff were lucky to have you
Women didn't "fight" for squat. You complained a lot in the streets. Hardly storming Iwo Jima.
@@tellercydeyou alright dawg?
@@tellercyde I agree that it has always been innate in men to give their lives to women and want to please them so no real fighting was needed. But no need to argue about that in this thread which has nothing to do with that.
Sounds like cope and backward rationalizing.
Some women don't have children because simply they don't like them.The choice for a woman not wanting children and being aware of it helps preventing toxic parenting and mistreating children who in adulthood would bear deep emotional scars.It's not always about career,it can be a clear and simple conscious choice.
Many people don't like children who aren't their's.
Also, the way western society treats children makes them intolerable to be around
What a self-indulged cop out..
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 No such thing. No one owes you children you will never see or contribute to. You're selfish because you impose on others.
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 I have cousins in another state (USA) who are Catholic and they are early thirties. Most Catholics I know are (sorry) full of shut because they don't follow any of the rules but will insist that they are going to heaven. Blah blah blah. I barely know these cousins, but I heard they adopted a crack baby -- worked through the issues -- and then 3 months later, another unwanted newborn they heard about. If you're going to make me listen to your Catholic bs, then at least be like my cousins -- adopt crack babies and then we'll talk. I really admired them practicing what they preach. Rare.
Thank you.
What I have noticed is a lot of women getting pregnant and the men want nothing to do with them once the child comes.
I’m 32, and as are my friends. None of my friends have children. My girlfriend, one that lasted 7 years, did not want children. And for the most part everyone’s reason seems to be general overwhelm and instability in the world. The ones that make enough money to feel like they could support a kid, are too busy working. And I think covid pushed people off the fence that were on the fence.
Children are being heavily targeted for nefarious political and social agendas by the wealthiest who run this backwards world and want to destroy it. You couldn't pay me to be a parent in this era. The things that kids are getting exposed to are indefensible. Couple that with a dwindling economy and bills that aren't getting any cheaper and I can't think of a single good and logical reason to bring more children into this world. I'm at a point where I believe intentionally bringing children into this world in its current state is lowkey a form of child abuse. Because they don't ask to be here in this mess.
As a preschool teacher I can tell you that 9/10 people would be better off never becoming a parent. It is just not for everyone and thats ok. I don't understand why some people get pushed into parenthood with no education, poor as all hell, anger issues, drinking problems...They have no idea what to do with a child so they take them to the kindergarten all day, take them home and put them to sleep. Don't be afraid not to have kids. These are not the ye old days. You should be happy to live like you want to. It can be with a baby and/or a job you like.And please don't think a baby will fix a crappy life or a crappy relationship. Young girls be smart, do better.
Thank you.
Exactly. That band aid baby or the golden goose. I have known 2 women that purposely got pregnant to get out of going to work or doing something they don't want to have to do. They lied to their boyfriend and the other one lied to her husband, went off the pill, didn't tell him and jumped on him when she knew she was ovulating. What gets me is their vile, manipulative plan works. They get pregnant no problem and get out of whatever it is they did not want to do. Yet, there are many women who would love a baby and plan on a baby because they actually want one, never use him or her as a pawn in their pathetic life and they cannot get pregnant to save their lives. I will never understand that one.
Going by your number than 90% of parents are drunks, druggies and psychos.... Which is plainly not true unless you live in a bad neighborhood. In which case your numbers are not representative. If you argument with numbers, give us the courtesy of using accurate data.
@@lauravergot9995 you’d be shocked how common child abuse is these days.
It’s called discipline!! No one has the discipline in the heat of the moment to use protection so most of us were accidents.
I thought the lack of children had more to do with people simply not being able to afford children given the current state of the economy? People in the newer generations can't keep up with inflation, outrageous medical costs, rising housing costs, all alongside student debt. My partner and I consciously decided not to have kids for this reason alone, despite the fact we'd like to. We just can't afford it, even in our 30's.
Edit: We just had one child recently and are looking to grow our family, but our 830 sqft home can't accommodate. We decided to not have a 2nd kid since we can't afford a new house with the current housing prices. I guess economics strikes yet again.
Edit #2: My partner and I are now divorced due to financial hardship straining our marriage after having a kid. She wanted to be a stay at home mom, but it wasn't possible on one teacher's income. Suffice it to say this ultimately drove a wedge between us. I feel so angry and frustrated. I hate this economy.
that sounds terrible :( are you located in the USA?
My experience (60+ mother & grandmother) is that we can always find a way to afford the things that really matter to us. So unless you are truly destitute, don't let a modest income or lifestyle stop you from becoming a parent. I can recall some pretty lean times raising my son and yet I have never once regretted it. We always found a way and he turned out very well.
Jordan peterson is very biased and traditionalist in these aspect and can only see one view when it comes to child bearing despite the fact that he prides himself on being open minded. Sometimes I pity his wife. He's one of those people who is so used to being the smartest person in the room, he becomes closed minded to external perspective on things.
funny how poor people have more kids
@@nancybatch7007 That is a disgusting way of encouraging people to raise children in povery.
Do NOT do it if you don't feel it.
Exactly, it does not effect anybody else, where we choose to reproduce or not, except the child being born into this hellhole of oppression and hate. But, if someone three kilometers from me chooses to have children, it will not effect me in the slightest. If they choose not to have children, it still does not effect me. I chose to not reproduce because I am not making more tax slaves for the wealthy-elite politicians and corporate zombies. I just can not be that selfish. However, this effects nobody but me and the politicians and corporations, which I care nothing for them.
It’s that simple
these feelings were manufactured...
@@christianb.4726
The feelings for wanting kids were manufactured? I guess that makes sense, given how annoying they are. 😉
It is absolutely the worst advice to follow your feelings, have you ever seen how the feelings of a women change about something in a 28 day period? The same person can have oposite feelings at different times of the month… that is why we have tradition and culture to guide us through the unknown
I never had children and have no regrets. Now my reason for that is kinda weird, but I was abused as a child and I'd heard so much about the cycle of abuse. I didn't want to do to a child what was done to me. I had a lot of anger problems so the chances were probably high. I got help and even now I have no regrets.
then stay single. no one is forcing you
@@rickyticky3350 Gee, thanks so much for your *Permission*
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I'm very sorry to hear that. It's hard to believe people can be cruel to their own children, yet we see it every day.
I felt unwanted and always had the fear I would secretly not want my child after having him or her.
I'm 28 and I'm so tired already without even having kids. Having kids would literally destroy me.
Same 😅
yeah riding the cockcarussel must be exhausting
Having a child is the best thing you can have in the world.
@@duncanhewitt6557
I’d rather have my trips to Japan. 😋
It's not for everyone. But, think about the topic enough to the point where you know you won't regret your decision in the future
Why don't we talk about having children is much more expensive nowadays than decades ago?
@@mmecharlotte👏👏👏👏👏
Not that it was more expensive it’s that there’s more to buy
@queefstormiest
It is, that's a fact.
You may not know because you don't have any kids, and if you have, you are not taking proper care of them.
@@31tentaclesthe US government gives a $3600 income tax credit just 10 years ago it was about $500 credit… as a whole in our society we need a growing population cause they will take care of us at older age and keep the economy going.
@@gabrielgonzalez6456
OMG, what? Having children is not so they can take care of old parents, no offense but that's just fkd up, bro ❗️ if a man wants children so they can take care of him when he is old, he doesn't need kids, he needs a nurse (or she, whatever), children are people, not objects or property
If a woman desires NOT to have children, no one should be telling her that is wrong.
Shill bot. No one said it was wrong, shill. The issue is our society made it hard when they do. You are a corporate shill.
I did a lot of thinking as a child. I thought constantly about everything. As I grew older I realised I couldn’t have everything I wanted in life (the perfect career, husband, kids). I knew I had to pick one or the other. I choose what my heart wanted and I decided to get married and have my first child by 25. Im now 36, have 4 children and still married to an amazing man. I am a homemaker. And yes, I am very lucky that I found someone so young that was right for me and who could support us all. Once my children are older, I will look into joining the work force to earn extra money.
I think you should understand that the chances of you re-joining the workforce after a long gap is unlikely. Fortunately your husband would have set aside money to compensate you for the lost years being a SAHM given the fact that you have no income .
There are many opportunities out there so don’t be discouraged. Many companies appreciate skills you have from running a household (eg negotiating with little terrorists 😊) good luck!
@@makeitcount2985 what makes you think it's unlikely that no employer will value her work ethic, people-skills, reliability etc.? Nothing stopping her from starting her own business either.
She will be fine with rejoining the workforce. A person like her is stable and has a good work ethic.
You are an awesome person 💓 You have priorities in correct order.
Now if more kids could have fathers, than we would have something.
Well said. I know Jordan is emphasizing the positives of having a kid here (sorta) but it’s such a huge risk for a variety of reasons, and one is you can easily end up a single mother and if you don’t have that established career, you’re going to be fucked. Especially if you’re in the US where we tend to demonize single motherhood
@@GavinMichaels The us tends to "demonize" single motherhoods?!?!
are you out of your mind? the us is probably one of the places that pushes for single motherhood the most, saying things like "you don't need a man", "women can do it all" and other bullocks.
@@GavinMichaels Exactly. Well stated.
@@dude2410 Compared to other developed countries, we do demonize them. Look at other developed countries and the benefits they have for single mothers, and compare it to the US. The fact that "welfare mom" is an insult for many conservatives is telling. It doesn't mean we have ZERO programs to help single motherhood, but it means we've got a long way to go. And it makes single motherhood such a huge risk in the US. Also I think you're taking the phrase "you don't need a man" to mean that women don't need a partner in marriage, where (at least when I've seen it used) it's in reference to women having self-respect without feeling like they need to be hitched (without a child that is) when the norm for so long was if you're not married by such and such age, you're a failure, embarrassment etc.
That's the REAL problem. Well said.
Some women simple don't wanna risk ending up as single mothers, struggling to take care of and financially provide for children on their own.
Fair point but the bitterness and hostility within your answer is very detectable. Having grown up my entire childhood as one of three children being raised by a single mother, I understand the difficulties of such a situation. And, I, like many others, am disturbed with the percentage of non-present fathers, so it is understandable why for many women have their guard up.
For everyone wanting to build a family, finding a proper Partner is not easy. Moreover, once a potential Partner is found, developing and maintaining the relationship long term is incredibly challenging. But, my ultimate advice is, even with all of this considered, not to stop trying. While children do grow up in a family with a single mother due to the father choosing not to be around, there is another significant factor that contributes to the number of single parent homes. Many people in relationships nowadays, men and women alike, do not try nearly hard enough to overcome obstacles and challenges with the appropriate level of determination to stick together. People throw in the towel much too quickly. And, this comes mostly at the expense of the children. People need to have the fact consistently reinforced that having and raising a child will add that much more challenge to any relationship, which is normal, but with the appropriate efforts and cooperation, a happy and loving family is not just possible, but necessary and endlessly rewarding.
But, too many people are forgetting that once a relationship involves a child, the responsibility for both parents to maintain the relationship grows tremendously. The situation mostly stops being about the parents and both parents have an obligation to the child to maximize their efforts towards cooperation and maintaining a healthy relationship and household.
Ultimately, I share all of this because, while there is merit to your comment, its tone indicates that you may have had relationships or other experiences that have caused your hesitation and aggravation with trying to build a relationship and family. But, it is important to try your best to recover and keep trying when you are able. It is true that, with three children and a single mother in the household, our family struggled a lot growing up. Yet, my mother undoubtedly considers here children to be her top accomplishment and she has always made it clear that her love for her children fulfill her happiness and keep her heart beating. While all women do not need to feel that same way, it only makes sense that having children is a top priority for many women and can be one of the most rewarding aspects of their lives. So, despite all the challenges of our time, and all of the risk involved, the reward involved is worth it. And if it helps, it is still the case that many men desire to build a happy family as well. So, while I can understand why women can feel hesitant and defeated at times following difficult relationships or other challenges, I always consider it worth it to take the necessary time and steps to recover from bad relationships, or other experiences, as needed, then always keep looking forward. For anyone willing to put in those consistent efforts, the reward is possible and of incomparable value.
This is what people don't get. I've seen so many women give up careers to be wives and moms and them get cheated on and left by their husband's. I will never give up my career and will always be financially independent because I'm not losing that to conform to what society keeps telling me I should do.
@@Megan-19 exactly. Even if I do ever get married, I'll always make sure I have an income so I'm not screwed if I become widowed or divorced.
Many women end up having children with the expectation that the man will provide and society pressures him to be the breadwinner for life or looks at him in disgust. On the other hand women are pressured to have children but many guys could be violent, or cheaters or abusive to you/children. A lot of people should not be parents.
@@Megan-19 if you don't want a husband or children, that's on you and it's perfectly fine. However, you make up only a small percentage of women who don't want a husband or children. He's talking about majority of these women will be miserable or full of regret when they exceed beyond the age of childbearing. Also, my mom was a single mother of 5 children and all 5 of us came out perfectly fine. She doesn't regret having any of us and all of us are glad we were born, even with being a single mother. There's nothing attractive about feminism and Jordan spends quite a bit of time dismantling it on a regular basis
There’s a thousand different reasons for this, but nobody seems to be mentioning rising costs. It’s expensive to have kids and you pretty need to put off buying a house to have one. More women/couples are choosing financial stability before having children.
I don't see any reason why I should get pregnant but I see many reasons why not. And I'm very disgusted by pregnancy and child birth. I don't understand how any women wants that. I am and will be one of those women but I'm not going to be unhappy about that. Beside a fact that I'm not single.
being 30 and childless is FINE. Too many trauma filled broken homes
Exactly. I love Jordan for lots of reasons and agree with 80%+ of what he says, but will never agree with his Christians puritanical views. Any hint of "a woman's life/essence is her motherhood/having a family, and if she doesn't have one by 30/40, then her life is meaningless." -puke-
I envisioned myself having kids.
But I went through a bit of trauma in childhood. I was depressed most of 20s.
I am in my 30s, never had a relationship.
I think I will be single forever.
I don't want history repeating itself, whatever that means.
I think I am OK. I have gone through the stages.
I am no longer angry.
I am moving on.
@@YaYousef5 I agreed. That is a gross opinion of what a human being’s self worth. I thought he was an atheist…
@Bak women and men are not the same men are designed to be alone women are not
no it’s not, listen closely to jordan.
I worked this out for myself. The ‘wanting it all’ of the 1980’s is actually having to do it all. I saw so many good, sensible women burnt out and thinking the problem was them. Cruel.
True. But society won’t notice this things that women go through.
Agree. If it’s between children and career, the later wins. A child is a huge commitment (when you care) and yet women are not compensated for this vital labour.
@@Coastpsych_fi99 that is a very sad way of looking at it. you care more about money than your own family glad your not my parent.
@@mike-pw8hi That is because your family will *die* if you don't have the money to feed them.
@@Coastpsych_fi99 ignoramus
When financial stability is uncertain, some people simply prefer not to bring children into the world to suffer.
Poor economic times are not a new thing. One can always say "right now" is not a good time to have children. Financial stability is never guaranteed.
Have children People! Love them and teach them your wisdom so they can carry on when you're gone!
They need more servants in the coming years.
It’s a welfare state. Survival
Has never been easier. Have fucking kids.
ppl had kids during hungers world wars colonization etc
our generations just lazy entitled and dont care
@@dennisdill5771 There's always a risk. A price to pay for failure. Many families have failed and they paid the price. Some of it heart breaking. Too many people have a Disneyland image of marriage and preach to "just do it".
If youre not financially stable, dont get married. You'll pass the seeds of failure onto your children or set the family up in life or death situations.
I flipped at 34. I was so done giving my best to companies. Now I give my family my best and it feels correct. I still get so many job offers
You’re a stay at home Mom?
The best decision you will ever make, god bless you and your family 🙏🏽
Now you just have to hope a another country doesn't declare war and invade. Considering 65% of men are single and don't care anymore about careers, that family could be gone.
Christ and the Essene's believed that bringing children into the world was a sin and trapped the consciousness of God in physical matter and it was a great service to remain celibate and spare the consciousness of god the cruel experience of this world ruled by the demiurge Yaldabaoth.
@@eldenking2098 but how could the consciousness grow through experiencing Earth in a physical form if there were no physical body available to inhabit? thats why we come here to Earth...to learn about and spiritually develop our immortal souls by choosing to live in this temporary dream world of duality and pain....you need a physical body to do that don't you? Coming to Earth for awhile is the "fastrack' for our spiritual development...thats why we come here in the 1st place...the" iron must be made into steel" and tested in this world of illusion..in this world of "hard knocks"....
As a single mother if it were not for my career I would have been homeless as having a child is expensive. Unfortunately for me I bought into the concept that my husband would stay and provide for us, which now I realise was delusional. A woman should be financially independent.
That is the best point out of the motherhood conversation. All women should be financially independent before getting married and having kids, society today is not conducive to stay at home parents
exactly and all these men fighting for old gender roles are delusional
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 It was always broken
@@lukegibson9410 Wait so are you saying if i make a child with a woman and then just fuck off, its the womans fault alone?
@@Swiss_Cynic yes, that's what he's saying. with the rise in gender equality also comes a rise in subjugation. a lot of men are extremely insecure and triggered by the fact that women are empowered to do what they want now instead of being forced to get married and become baby factory live-in maids. let's just hope society continues to slide in the direction of equality rather than back into female slavery.
It's my 29th birthday today and I'm genuinely sad about not having a child yet. I still have to find a good husband and get onto having kids, but I feel like society pushed the career thing so much on our generation that we're seriously behind on everything else. I don't really care that much about my career, but it took a while to truly realize that what I genuinely want is to be a mom.
Good luck and don't rush. Your life will never be the same. But, I would still work part time or have residual income. You never know what will happen and aways have a plan B, C, and D. It may not be a divorce or anything of that nature... just want to see you prepared and protected so you can take care of yourself and your kids if you are on your own. I wound up having to go it alone and provide for myself and my child. I have my doctorate and was able to take care of us. My son is profoundly autistic, non-verbal, can't take care of the simplest of tasks, and needs 24/7 care. Fortunately, that is a rarer outcome, but I had to go it alone after ex abandoned us, so just encourage all women to make their money. I don't care how they do it, you have to think ahead. Best case scenario you just have more money for family or retirement. Worst case scenario you can take care of yourself and family.
When you became a mom you will genuinely want to have your own money and freedom it’s never enough for human beings
29 is not bad. Just look for a consciously right-leaning man, they are today the most devote fathers. At best he is also a catholic or orthodox Christian. Those man will be extremly glad if you want to be a mother. Just be explicit about this in your search for a hustband and I bet you will find a proper husband very soon. Was the same with us, now the 4th child under way. Its exhausting in the beginning with the 2nd, after that it gets WAY easier. Its hard to explain how much I love our kids. Best thing in life. All the best to you.
I am 28. Same. I haven’t find the right man for me yet.
Explore the world , be happy, joyous your not going to attract a beautiful person with pregnancy worries. I am 44 still have regular period and plan on having 3-4 more. I naturally had a baby at 31 and 37. Don't let anyone make you think 29 is old. You should have easily 7+ years to get pregnant. Search ayurvedic ways to keep reproductive system healthy. Obgyn in US do nothing, in India women take shatavari . You need to nourish your body. Being stressed isn't going to work for you
Why is it okay for men to chose what they want and not for women?
I rather be a single than a single mom.
… and you can be a single mom, married or not.
good. get married before having kids
@@wade2boshRead the comment above you🙄
He is saying getting married is better than being a single mom with children born out of wedlock.
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I just turned 24 and see a lot of my High School classmates as Single Parents with one or even two children. I could not imagine how they can support themselves in this economy, especially having to divert most of their attention to take care of the baby.
exactly... one of my best friends is a single mom...she's in her late 40's but times are TOUGH for her. one of her kids is on college and is a total leech/spends so much unnecessarily. i feel for her!
@@EadsB7002 Leech 😂😂😂😂
That one of the main things that make if incredibly difficult. This economy. Its going to get worse. Having a newborn in this day and age is not a good idea.
Well you can ask them why they're simgle parents. It takes two people and two incomes in most cases in this economy in order to properly raise children. You're right, it's not fair for the child to have a single parent try to raise them all on their own, but investigate why they're single parents. I guarantee most of your friends had children out of wedlock, or have divorced their spouses over reconcilable shit. We need to reconstruct the family unit, but it doesn't start with the children. It starts with husbands and wives to form healthy marriages.
@@jacksonmills961 you're missing something there mate,in order to re establish marriage the way it's supposed to be , Religion has to take power again and dictate its laws and thus reconstruct marriage as God's wants it to be, unfortunately the west is anti religion and won't accept to have religion rulling,so people will just keep roaming as lustful animals and women will keep being sexually exploited and impregnated out of wed lock and be condemned to be single mothers for the rest of their lives.
Having kids doesn't guarantee that they'll be there when you get old
So true. Visit a nursing home sometime. 😢
that only happens in degenerate western/european cultures.
Not having kids guarantees nobody will be there 😂
Nothing in life is guaranteed so why do anything at all in that case? What a flawed mentality
@@Gathalok death and taxes
My peace is my priority. Not my career. And my peace does not include children. And if it does not include men, then it doesn't include men. And that's none of anyone's business.
My goodness.
"my peace does not include children" that.... just all of that
@@nope19568 it's the hard truth 🤷🏻♀️ not everyone is meant to be a parent. Yet those people have kids and raise them poorly, then everybody complains about people having trauma or doing wrong things, when truly their behaviour issues come from bad parenting for the most of them, but people aren't ready for this discussion.
Bad parenting has a lot more repercussions than bad education, that's why parenting is hard : it takes you to be emotionally secured, financially stable and in a relationship that allows your kids to make mistakes, get dirty and learn properly. If you can't fathom giving this environment for your kid to grow up in, don't act surprised if they act up, they had little to no chance to grow up as a balanced and responsible adult. That's why a lot of our generation are kinda childish and don't wanna take responsibility for what they do, they weren't taught that as kids. They didn't have great role models as parents, therefore they can't cope properly with what is being thrown at them. Of course they could learn by themselves, but parents should teach them resilience, patience, forgiveness and focus. They have to learn the hard way, but the hard ways needs to be secured by parents. They should be their safety net if they fall, and my parents generation, they ain't it. I'm 26, and people say I'm selfish for saying that, but I ain't the one who split up my marriage cause my parents couldn't stay faithful to each other. "Life happens" yes it does, and it damages kids more than adults. How are you supposed to raise kids properly when you weren't properly raised and surrounded by good people in the first place ? See what I mean ?
You will regret not having children or a man, it's not natural to not have a family the body calls us too it. And when you're old and lonely with no family will see how much peace you have. Don't wait too long start a family!
@@blesstalks your cult isolationist mentality is showing, people like me and her can have friends you know, maybe some siblings who also genuinely care for us, neices, nephews, you dont need a nuclear family for happiness regardless of what your cult preaches, go look at r/regretfulparents and tell me how happy they are with your supposed ideal situation thatd lead to nothing but true joy
I came from Eastern Europe, where most children grow up in dysfunctional families. The typical father is alcoholic, violent, unfaithful to his household unemployed wife. Many of my friends (including me) choose to pursue a career and gain financial independence first before thinking about marriage. So if we ever end up in a scenario as our mothers have, we could leave the broken marriage and spare our children of the trauma we've suffered as children. Choices for the career first and later marriage (or no marriage at all) came from poor father/daughter relationships, which lead to deep untrust/fear towards men and marriage in general.
Good for you, Eastern European men are all over Ireland and they're really horrible to even us native women who pay taxes to give them free housing. They're really aggressive too
damn speak for yourself. Calling every Slav dysfunctional.
Thank you for putting this in. I am from a middle eastern family and I am a witness of how my mother is being patient with my father, who mentally abused the entire family for more than a decade. I see this in 90% of my relatives relationships as well. Unfortunately it is a cultural thing for many, that the wife is a mother and is not independent and has no other choice than staying with a crazy husband ( it also happens to be the other way around, but this video is about women). You never know how things go, so it IS important to get at least a decent education so that you can have a secure job to survive, if things go totally wrong. But I still want to finish my studies because it is my highest interest to be a scientist and can't wait to become a mother one day!
@@BOZ_11 excuse me, so if a man is totally unhappy with his wife after a couple of years, how is it then? „ well, he married her“? You never know people 100%, we don’t even know ourselves. And especially in other cultures, you don’t get the chance to „try“ someone first as it is in western countries. People most likely think that people all over the world have the same freedom in choosing their partners the way it is in western societies.
Smart men are walking away from whamen and marriage big time now, so don't worry. Enjoy your career and cats ...
Who also is a 30-year-old with no kids watching this 🙋🏻♀️
I'm 28 with no kids.
@@blakkwaltz NICE!!!
Here are the cold hard facts : At 30 add your 'body count' to your age. The number you arrive at will be your percentage of never marrying. 30 years old , bedded 35 guys, 65% chance you will be alone from here on out. Body count : How many guys you've had sex with. BJs must be included in body count.
32 with no kids and no man.. but happy. I'll adopt one day.
Halla one right here ......shout from Johannesburg!!!!
It’s expensive and a lot men have checked out.
You've got that right. Many of us have no interest in putting children into a country that will not follow the laws as promised. I'm not going to work hard to make my child a slave in our new society.
I need to find this man 😂
I was around in the 1970s and when I was at school there was a "don't get pregnant" mantra - that was always the thing going forward into teenage and adult life - this terror of getting pregnant accidentally - and that connected to the broader message that the world had a "population explosion" and that the fewer kids any of us had the better. Best option was none at all - but, if you had to - replacement level at two was just about acceptable - replacing you and your husband or partner (well, in those days it was mostly husband) when you popped your clogs. So I remember thinking as I entered my childless mid-30s "all I've ever been told is how NOT to get pregnant" but no one told us how difficult getting pregnant might be if left too late. So Jordan Peterson might not have heard that part of the history - but it was there, only few remember it now.
Yeah, blame society! As if you don't have a mind of your own to decide for yourself.
I've honestly never heard the phrase "popped your clogs" 😂
THANK YOU! Nobody every talked to us about HOW TO actually get pregnant if you're not 17 anymore and highly fertile. Lol it's not just happening any time at the month, even if the timing is right, the chance of 20% success is the highest it can get most of the time. Trying for over a year now with hubby, no baby in sight and it sucks. 😢 it's no fun anymore to try every month like crazy only for Aunt Flo to show up right on time every month and you think to yourself WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, NATURE?!
My religious zealot mother spewed that rubbish as well.
This is all a fair discussion, but why is it always about why WOMEN are childless at 30? Why are we not asking why men are childless as well?
I'm in my 20s and still single. I really see a lack of men willing to grow up and be a father just as much as I see women who don't want to have kids. I'm not going to raise kids without a father- not just a dad, but a true paternal figure.
@get busy child
You have no answers
Just propaganda
It’s a super easy answer. Men can simply wait longer. Women lose 90% of their eggs by 30. 35 is geriatric pregnancy. Men aren’t under this time crunch from a biology perspective. This is the science, like it or not.
Women peak in the dating marketplace in their early to mid 20’s. Men like women with less baggage, better attitudes, no kids in tow, and that still have all their youth, beauty, and fertility. Like it or not this is reality.
Men are judged more on money, status, experience, maturity. Looks matter but a man’s looks don’t fade nearly as fast as women’s do (on average). Men as a result peak in their mid 30’s.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 1. Sperm quality also declines over time
2. Statistically men die sooner
3. As a woman in my early twenties, I don't want to date 30-something dudes
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 You don't have to be so aggressive with your wording but what you say is true.
@@epicwoad8999 we need to stop tiptoeing around these issues. I would much rather have someone tell me the truth, even if I don’t like their tone, than lie to my face and mislead me. Things aren’t good right now between men and women, the data proves it. Shooting the messenger is a bad look.
22 years of education and in the last year of my PhD in STEM field, I realized I was missing a big time
My husband and I decided to have a child despite it being a very bad timing for me. But I realized the "right time" never seem to come. There is always something more to do, a paper more to publish, one more internship to go to, look for job post graduation, get the job and try to promote your rank as a newbie to get a fair salary, try harder because now you have even more responsibilities at hand in a senior role, etc, etc. I just figured I have to just draw the "stop" line somewhere and get back to my life. Now two months pregnant and I feel I just opened a new chapter in my life. I am scared, that is true. In my field, a few years away from market means you lose all your value, you turn into a useless old car. I have thousands of doubts about my future as a career woman, but one thing I never doubt; I am not gonna regret this. I just wish world was a bit kinder to women like me who decide to juggle the heck out of this seemingly "lose-lose" game.
Good luck. That is not an easy decision. I truly hope it works out for you ❤️
It's very commendable to take the route that to me, appears the more difficult one. You've done well, but every choice has a sacrifice.
You made the right decision. I had my first child at 35 and second at 37- they bring more joy and meaning to my life that I have never imagined was possible. I have experienced an unexpected renaissance in my midlife.
@@lucydoe1334 Glad it worked it out for you :)
I don't think there is a special brand of cruelty for women who prioritize children, it is just the reality of economics. Everyone wants to get the most productivity they can manage.
Men become 'disposable' and lose value in a workforce too. But because we can abuse our bodies for a longer period of time, it is different.
I never felt maternal and always feared being a mom given my traumatic childhood, losing my mom at age 12 and being a latch -key neglected preteen and teen. Our dad basically would leave me alone at age 12 years with my 11year old sis and 1 year old bro months at a time. I basically parented both my siblings, run the household and paid bills. The only thing our dad did was leave me a few hundred dollars every 2 to 3 months then he went away on "trips", until I learned that he lived with his secretary and her kids at another part of the city. As an older teen, sometimes I had to do odd jobs so my sis, bro and I wouldn't starve. Long story short, I never wanted to be a mom as an adult, coz I was already one as a kid and it was hard. Interestingly, I ended up having my very healthy, fit son at age 47 years. Luckily, his dad at 56 was also very active and involved in my son' s life.
Congratulations 🙂
Your father is a sorry excuse of a human being. Some men can be so worthless. They'll do the stupidest things for sex.
I hope your siblings appreciate your sacrifice and that you are enjoying parenthood the second time around. I thank you for being a good human being and doing what's right/hard even if it wasn't your responsibility. It makes us better and resilient, too, so I hope you feel some sense of peace in having lived your difficult childhood.
Unreal, all the best for you. Amazing story.
Shouldn't you be saying ( our sons) life??
Wow that's incredibly rough but glad to hear you were resilient despite your life circumstances 😮
2 men discussing women’s issues… groundbreaking.
Outside perspectives, especially when educated and experienced, can often be more accurate than any other.
I can tell by the fact it actually discusses the issue instead of talking in circles.
Lol😂😂
Complicated issue. The ones who should be having kids are putting it off, often till it's too late, and the ones who shouldn't ever have kids are cranking them out like assembly lines, often with multiple (unmarried) fathers and social services involved.
100% accurate, good comment man
Nailed it. Reminds me of "Idiocracy". We're living it.
@@IdExCS "I'm gonna f**k all of y'all!! Wooo!!!"
this is literally it! the issue isn't people in general choosing to have kids or not, its the people who SHOULD NOT be having kids and doing it anyway, THOSE people are the problem.
Yup. The smart people create social welfare programs and then decide not to have kids so all those resources just go into raising dumber kids 🙄
But also our society isn't a child rearing society it's a work work work society. It's too fast paced and expensive to live.
@Pedro Ortega It's truly absurd.
@Pedro Ortega the real scary thing Pedro the Global Elites who run us ? they don't need 7.7 billion people to rule this planet they can easily lose 7.2 Billion and would be fine with just half a billion people so they are not worried about Population decline they will always have enough supply of cheap labor
Why dont you speak about the harsh reality of millions of single mom who sacrificed their life to only be abandonned.
Yeah it's too bad they couldn't stop nagging their husband to the point where he takes off
Or how about keeping their legs closed?
Majority of divorces are initiated by women.
What is wrong with not having children?
Nothing. 😎
It potentially suggests a failing society.
@@whenpigsfly8178
Not even close. A successful society would include people who want kids and don’t want kids. There are places for all. 😋
@@LucareonVee No, if not enough people have children the population ages and collapses
@@AlexanderLittlebears
With 8 billion people on the planet, that would be a good thing. 😋
I love this comment section because it has so many varying opinions.
People past 40’s with no kids & loving it.
People who had kids in 20’s loving it.
People who had kids later & regretting it
People who are unable to have kids and okay with it.
Guy who wants a family and kids but will likely never get chance due to not being wanted. Add that to the list.
And the 40s desperately wanted kids and devestated with her infertility person. Add that one, too.
There arw so many reason to be thankful
True. And they're all satisfied with their lives. There's a level of satisfaction with that.
@@PwerRanger01 I'm 34 and never been in a fulfilling relationship
I’m an older, professional white female who’s never married, nor had children. I believe this interview comes from an upper class perspective. The assumption is that women are choosing career over marriage/children because they place more value on the career. While that may be the case with some of the elite women mentioned by JP, it’s certainly not true of women like me, who are financially successful, despite being born in poverty. Basically, my father abandoned us and had another family when I was five. We grew up on welfare, in public housing. Despite that, I went to college and did well. But when you grow up in the projects, all you see is women and children who have been abandoned and left in poverty by husbands and fathers. Thus I went to college with the focus on learning to take care of myself and never becoming vulnerable to a man who could walk out the door at any moment, leaving me and the children hungry and living in a car until we were able to get on welfare and into public housing. And yes, there are a lot of women like me. I would love to have children, but divorce and abandonment by my father left me scarred.
I agree, I grew up in a Northern UK city in decline and saw terrible poverty and the poor abandoned women and children and vowed I would never make myself and certainly no child of mine that vulnerable. I also felt sorry for the men as most of them had their self esteem destroyed too...
Poverty doesn’t mean a bad life. It means you will struggle with grace and mental fortitude. One day you will want kids
Lee B., has it occurred to you that perhaps it was your Mother who abandoned your Father, running off with you and raging at your father "You will never see her again, and she will hate you!" Don't believe the Pablum that your mom has fed you; that comes from people trying to rationalize their own appalling behavior.
@@jvaneck8991 - Or, perhaps, her mother acted irresponsibly and got pregnant by a man who should never have been selected or given the chance to breed with her.
Women file most divorces (they can even file for no reason), are most likely to get alimony, most likely to get custody of child. This has been happening for decades now. Men get financially and emotionally exploited in a lot of those cases. There has not been an acknowledgement, let alone an attempt to solve this issue by society.
My story is more complicated as I unknowingly married an abusive man. When I divorced him, I have had major trust issues and can't take the leap again. When this happened, I chose the career over family. it was a mistake. I tell all younger women who are fixated on career that when you get ready to retire and you have no one to do things with and you have nothing to do, you realize it was a mistake. Don't do what I did.
I single biggest reason I married my wife was that she didn't want kids. I had a vasectomy. 40 years now and still together.
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Bunch of losers
Maybe it depends on the person, but I got pregnant at 29 and had my first child at 30 - I have no regrets. I didn't have a bad childhood, but I definitely had a few creases to iron out on my personality before becoming a mother. I wasn't ready in my 20s, and would have resented having a child of I had become a mother at 22 or something. So waiting until my late 20s/early 30s was the right thing for me.
Early and even mid 30s is a reasonable age to have children. My mom had my sis at 31 and me at 33. My grandmother had my aunt at 38 and my dad at 42.
Feminists try to drive this narrative that women don't need to think about their age and they can freeze their eggs, and they have plenty of time, etc. It's lunacy. There's definitely a time limit. On the flip side, it's frustrating how the more conservative types tend to drive the narrative that women need to have their children in their 20s. Its as though they think we hit menopause at 30. Both mentalities are flawed.
@@JessG_20 While you are correct, it's also true that men shouldn't have kids after their 40s. Testosterone plummets and autism becomes more prevalent.
@@VintageCardinal Agree, that's something else I was thinking but didn't mention.
@@JessG_20 It does seem like the narrative is either/or.
I had 3 kids in my 20's while working in aviation. And then I had twins at 40 years old last year. I've got to say, in my 40's, I realized I was too old and too tired to get through the pregnancy while holding down a job and definitely too old and tired to take care of twins and hold down a job. Eff that noise. But in my 20's I had a supportive husband and the energy and drive to hold down a job and be a mother. We shared parenting duties and I think we made a great decision going ahead and having kids in our 20's. 18 years of marriage and he's still wonderful.
The thing is, I did college but never saw my job as a career. I looked for a field that would provide well for me. I was in a male dominated field and didn't try to compete for promotions. I was never interested in working myself to death. I rejected overtime and was told I'm not a team player. I'd rather be a good parent than a team player.
@@runningfromabear8354 I can imagine having twins at 40 would be insanely hard. I was kinda shocked when I found out my grandma had my dad at 42. I've always felt the ideal age for me personally would have been 28 to 33..Sadly, I'm now 35 😂
I also notice that something else people don't take into account are the obesity rates when they're discussing women's ticking clock. Being overweight will usually affect fertility. From what I've read, overweight women tend to have much more difficulty getting pregnant. One of my older coworkers was telling me a couple years back that I need to "hurry up" because her own daughter who is 1 year older than I, started having issues with fertility around age 31 or 32. Well her daughter, who I've met, looks to be nearly 300 lbs 😐
Gen X here. We were all told by our parents to wait until our 30s to have children. Society shifted and wanted our generation to experience a bit more life, become more financially secure, and mature enough to have that kind of responsibility. Now Society wants to reverse it for the next generation?!! However, the next generation faces never owning a house. Prior to this a family could be raised on one income and own a decent house.
I can totally understand why having children is becoming less achievable.
Don't think to much about material goods. There will always will be a solution, especially as people are dumping perfectly fine goods for nothing as second hand goods. The most important and beautiful things don't cost money: loving parents, time spend outside in the woods etc.
@@schulze6758there will always be rich people throwing away perfectly fine things. That doesn't mean a poor family can afford them, even thrifting, and the hours that costs to find useful stuff before the flippers do. Time outside in the woods is free, until you have to purchase the woods or land, or spend the time you dont have, while working to keep up payments on a shelter you'll never own. This really reads very out of touch with anyone being able to afford kids. but it shows you 'dont think too much about material goods' and don't know why anyone struggles
@@schulze6758 Oh yeah, because there are so many great jobs and affordable homes to purchase near "the woods" you'll send your children to play in...
You got! I told my daughter that you really can’t trust men to be providers or protectors anymore and men are just losing their minds. Instead of acknowledging that there is a problem with men wanting 50/50 now is when we look at alllll the responsibilities a woman must endure in order to be wifed plus having to work just as hard, marriage seems unfair for women. Now men use shaming tactics to force women to chase them. Makes no sense. I have 2 kids was married and stilll lived as a single mother. I would have never signed up for this shit if I knew that my husband was just going to find someone younger and dumber than me.🤷🏽♀️ oh well you live and learn the lies.
@@schulze6758 second hand furniture and clothing can NOT solve the problem of average house these days costing TEN average annual incomes, while 30 years ago it was only THREE.
Women haven't even experienced true freedom or equity in the western world yet, but this guy knows why we feel the way we feel? And isn't that sad?
How condescending.
He’s afraid of men losing control over women. That’s the real point here.
What do you mean women havent experienced? You and any of us never lived in a times where the other gender was opressed.
You are literally delusional hahaha.
''There was inequality 50 years ago, so now women who never faced such inequality, can take it out the world!'' Stupid.
''but this guy knows why we feel the way we feel? And isn't that sad?'' You dont feel jack shit. You are making up problems in your head. Get some help
Bitter?
Where did he say he knew how and why women feel the way they do? He gave his observations of how women tend to behave under certain circumstances.
Oh right, zero freedom, but you get to stab anyone 200 times and serve no jail time, how oppressed!
Women are like spoiled rich kids who would still complain that their parents didn't buy him the exact car he wanted
as SWM 68 looking back, I'm glad I never married or had kids, I grew up with 5 siblings, money was tight, and I promised myself I would never endure the chaos of family life again, at 20 I got hit with ulcerative colits, this ruined all my life plans, I became a librarian, had to retire at 56 due to colon cancer, lucky to be alive now, there was never enough money, time, or health for me to create a family --I'm where I'm supposed to be be now
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
I’ve never wanted children as a child. I’m 39, don’t have kids, and gladly don’t want kids. Having a family, children isn’t for everyone. Stay blessed
Exactly! THIS is what's hapening, people are CHOOSING not to reproduce. Period.
@@clublulu399 is there any science to prove that or ...?
@@clublulu399 No, you should get out and talk to people more. You're making a silly assumption. Women are not hardwired to have kids, they just can if they want to. It's an option. Some of us don't want anything to do with it. Once you have kids, you can certainly understand the downside to it.
I've never wanted kids (I'm 38). I have a huge, dysfunctional family, and while I strive for and maintain a healthy lifestyle it's never been a desire for me. I've been with my husband 24 years, and we both love children but we are more than content loving our many neices and nephews. Don't let people make you feel like something is wrong with you. If it's in God's plan for you to have children, you will have children.
@@LapisPebble Humans are not bacteria whose only purpose is to reproduce mindlessly, many great minds of history died without children and they are still remembered, while the average family and parent is unremarkable.
I am mature enough to know that I have no desire to have or raise children. That doesn’t mean something is wrong with me, I just choose that for myself.
BS.
@@paulb7207get a life Paul
You are absolutely not mature at all then.
Yep happy to be part of the movement. Childfree and solo by choice.
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Yes!!!! Women are so much more than mothers. But this kind of old white men will never get it. They will hold on to the idea of sexism and biologism until their death.
The big oppressive lie women were told was that the only meaningful thing in their lives were their husband, children and family.
spoken like a true feminist....Enjoy your self-centered life....hope it brings you great happiness and love in your life...
When you chose to get married, that is what it is, you AND your husband’s lives center around your family, till death do you part. If you buy into this Feminist rhetoric, then spare people the grief and avoid ever getting married and having children.
Who was ever told that?
Our entire culture claims the opposite.
You're precisely why western/european cultures are degenerate.
@@mustangmikep51says the dude who probably has no idea how to be a partner or a dad fucking loser
Many women don’t have children because of life circumstances not always by choice. I’m 32, housewife, married for two years. I always wanted children, but three months ago my husband got aggressive type of cancer and fighting for his life. I can’t even imagine ever starting all over again with someone else. I might end up childless because of that but I can’t always control everything.
I'm sorry for your difficulties. I appreciate you sharing this though. For the conversation, yours is a good example of a situation where a woman does not have children despite wanting to do so.
I do hope the best for you no matter what, and for what it is worth, you are still plenty young if you did happen across someone. As you are able, it is always worth pursuing the goal if you wish. Or, if even you were to meet someone after 40, or thereabouts, adoption is always a great option for couples who want children but consider their age to be a risk factor for conceiving. In today's time, a couple in their 40s are plenty young to raise children even if biology makes it difficult.
Regardless, I wish you all of the best!
I have an example like this in the family, stay strong and good luck.
True, it is circumstantial for some. But you're much better off delaying in order to give yourself , your potential spouse, and your potential child the best shot at a stable life.
It's really hard out there nowadays, especially for single moms. And no shade....one of my best friends is a single mom. But she is struggling bigtime.
Do you think you have it worse than your grandparents?
@@hamzamahmood9565
Really inappropriate question. 😖
This is not what women are taught. We are taught to get an education and a qualification so we can protect ourselves from being financially abused by our husbands.
No, you were indoctrinated to believe in that nonsense because you're actually idiots who cant grasp that those situations don't happen even a fraction as much as you think it does.
Thanks for demonstrating your low IQ though.
and yet men say: dont protect yourselves!!!! be codependent!
and now you must find a man in your salary range or be dissatisfied. whoops, actions seem to have consequences.
Abused by your husbands? Wtf are you talking about?
@@schulze6758 history.
Don't do it unless you are ready for any outcome. I did everything rught in pregnancy and it still went horribly wrong. I would NEVER have a child if I could go back in time and I absolutely never would have gotten married.
You regret having your child?
What happened?
@@GeoRandelmore common than u think!
I rarely comment on a CZcams channel, but I feel compelled to do so on this one. At the end of this clip, you said that many women who reach the age of 50 without a family rarely look back and think I did this right...I am one of those women. I think it's more rare for women who married the wrong partner, out of fear of not being able to bear children later in life, who look back and say they did it the right way. There are many options for women now. Freeze your eggs if you really want to reproduce with your own DNA. Adopt if you want to raise children and you don't care if they share your DNA. Be the world's greatest aunt to your sibling's children. Be an adoptive aunt to your friend's children. Be truly great and fulfilled by a career you love. You have OPTIONS. I can't believe women are still listening to the lie that you will regret not having children in the year 2024!
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I’m 31 and feel quite pressured to have a child. People around me say “there will be no one for you when you’re old” and “just get a baby, even if you’re alone”. Yes, if I had a supportive and loving partner with whom I could raise a new human being, I probably would get children. But saying to get a child just for my own self is extremely selfish. 😢
Too old tbh dont bring in a deformed kid for selfish reasons
So not having a child hey. Will you give 40% of your income to families in poverty who are having children then?
Or will you enjoy your child free, responsibilty free lifestyle to buy all the lavish crap you have all the freedoms to buy?
Ive always taught the same. I would love to have a child, I already attempted once with a not so quality choice partner...Sadly it didnt make it. I was very excited to have someone of my own, someone that would love and need me. And I can love them back, but i always go back to your last sentence, thats extremely selfish of me. Not only that, its difficult to find someone that isn't so selfish or self centered to have a family. Times have changed and we should just accept it. There is no love or empathy, just the next day
@@glenbenton4855 I believe that there definitely is love ❤️ just start spreading it around you and it will “infect” others 😃
@@agathles You know, I don't want to be that "but i do" person but man, lot of people just take advantage of that and abuse you. Its the tale as old time but, I am tired of suffering due to my good heart and the ill intent of others just looking to see how they can step on you. Not to be negative
As a young woman, I eventually had to ask myself the question: when I die what do I want to have, a family and husband who love me or a job that’s already replaced me? Money will go to the government if you don’t have kids to inherit. All your knowledge and best traits will die with you unless you have kids that you have raised to be responsible adults. A job title won’t love you back. I decided that I won’t ever chose a job or money over my family. I desperately want to have a loving family. I would like to have something to do outside my family that interests me, that I’m somewhat good at and benefits society at large. That would be the best life I can plan.
Edit: I didn't think I would have to say this because its obvious, but this is my opinion. I did not write this to convince anyone to be a stay at home mom, I wrote it because it's what I believe. I thought about this a lot, I used to think I needed a "career" or else I was lazy and a slave to a man. But life is not that simple, and motherhood is NOT oppression. It's a choice I make gladly, with full knowledge of what I am undertaking and what I am giving up. I'm not ashamed to say that I love my (future) kids more than any career. And once I am a mother, they will be my priority over myself. If you value a job more, then thats not my business nor do I care. It won't change my decision. After growing up in a pro feminist age and feeling ashamed of what I wanted, I no longer care what the main stream thinks about my desire for a family.
Problem is us men will not and not in increasing numbers accept women that age out and learn. We won't give our Prime based off what women find attractive to take care of and provide for women that squandered theirs. We aren't virgin or nothing, well some are, but we want your fertile prime or its not worth the risks.
You hit the absolute nail on the head. The funny thing is that all these women are prioritizing their education and career so they can be enslaved to an employer who will throw them away when they loose their value, due to age or other causes. I truly hope that these women spend the end of their lives childless and alone, so it can serve as a message to the rest of society that utilitarianism is nonsense. All your degrees, investments, and property is worthless. Your employer will throw you away in a heartbeat. Family is everything.
As another young women working in a very technical field I share your sentiment. My career is nothing more than a means for creating a stable environment, and if I someday have children, if it is in there best interest, I will be walking away from it.
@THE ZOLDICS yes. How the hell did you read what I said and take the exact opposite of what I said as my intent? That's what I said. Women want our Prime and young men are walking away because it's a raw deal.
@@mosesking2923 that's kinda harsh on women, but there is going to need to be a moment where something is understood more widely by them yeah.
I had a female co-worker with a good job, a career, who quit when her first child was born. All I could think about was that if her husband was suddenly gone, for whatever reason, she would be without a job and children to support. Also, when you give up your career, you give up your economic power.
The caption is misleading. The Morgan Stanley Study this projection is based on finds that women are chosing to be single, not that they are forced to be single.
I’m from an impoverished single parent household where I wasn’t valued and treated as a burden with frequent abuse. My focus in life has been on survival. Dating is difficult b/c men do not want to be tied down, help raise children or be monogamous. If a man cannot commit to me, I’m not having children without the necessary support to do so. I’ve broken the cycle of abuse and poverty and remain happily single and childless. I do have pets though.
Most of time women don't have an issue dating unlike an average guy who doesn't even get looked at as potential even if a good man. As women have it so easy and have many options then it is the women at fault for chasing wrong men if can't find decent one.
" Dating is difficult b/c men do not want to be tied down, help raise children or be monogamous." Look for different type of men and a different setting. I know so many guys my age that wanted exactly that in their 20s.
You seem like an extremely self aware, intelligent person. I think you will have a happier life knowing that you’ve made your choices so consciously, based on how well you know yourself. I think having another being to care for is an innate part of the human experience. However, there’s no reason you can’t offer that care and love to a pet, who will no doubt have an amazing life.
Before my husband and I met he had 2 children. I'm 35, no children, never wanted children. Now that I'm getting older, I want children and my husband doesn't want any. Haha
I'll be ur pet
I'm a woman quite happily working an average paid job and living childfree. My life is very peaceful and quiet. I spend a lot of time outdoors and at the gym. It's just me and my dog and that's how I like it. I have no regrets. I'm 34 and I can honestly say I'm in my happy place 😌
Well wish you the best but come let us know how it is at 45 lol
@@NinkyStigger It's not always what you believe. At 45, I was able to feel whole again after an unimaginable divorce. I had to rebuild my life from scratch after she took everything. For those that can make it work, I salute you. For those that say - thanks, but no thanks - I salute you, too.
Bingo. Me too. Every year that goes by without kids I’m happier. 43 now. Living the dream.
@@NinkyStigger lol I’m nearly 44 and literally happier than I was at 34, when I first decided I didn’t want kids. These guys are totally invested in proving that women aren’t happy without kids…so weird. And I could care less about a career-life isn’t about that either. Always March to the beat of your own drummer!! ✨✨✨🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Let's see how you're doing in 20 years and then 20 more after that.
Weird how its always about guilt tripping women and no accountability for men
ALWAYS
Missed the target.
To any woman reading this and is already offended, watch the full video and understand
How did you conclude that from this video?
Well because it simply is womens responsibility and it is true. And if you feel guilty about that well probably because its true and when you did something wrong or had bad priorities in your life then you should accept the fact and take the consequences. But its easier to say its not my fault but someone elses. I see many young women acting like they should stay young forever.. they hit the wall and yay another single childless 30s. Thats just fact.
Doesn’t always have anything to do with a “Career”. Has to do with personal choice and the actual true desire to have kids or not have kids.
Peterson's argument, being that "women are encouraged to value their careers", only represents one piece of a complex puzzle. To understand the decline of motherhood, we must also acknowledge the current state of manhood. Based on my own home environment and upbringing, I can clearly understand why a woman would ensure their career is established before entering marriage or motherhood. For women, this decision can be a safety measure rather than a "self-boasting, self-centered" action. I believe that women, including myself, tend to equip themselves with knowledge, skills and resources in order to withstand the possibilities of divorce, domestic violence, father absence, insufficient spousal support... Unfortunately, in my experience, women oftentimes prioritize financial and educational independence over early motherhood due to the possible unpredicatbility of men.
Exactly
Don't forget that this isn't some lie that women need to focus on their careers vs family life. It is unfortunate that we even HAVE to choose. But often we DO because men are unwilling to sacrifice their careers for their family. The burden falls on women. When I heard him say men pull 80 hours week...I mean they better be single. Because if they are married with children and they can do that...then someone else sacrificed for their career. I'm not selling my life to another person who is unwilling to do the same. Men man...take some fucking responsibility for how you don't have this question posed to you at all. This is such a women's question...why is it 100% on us to make this choice. Men just get to have both at even LATER ages...society looks at men at 30 as babies but women as washed up. SMH
It depends but yeah its a good point. I also think we have become way to obsessed with money and materialism in the west which has become an idol for us.
@@NomadZeroOne Very true.
Perfectly out. Thank you
Why are childfree women such a problem for some people? Get over it. Worry about your own life.
Kkkkk because human life has infinite value and every inch of our budies was made to have child. When someone doesnt want, had some really bad going on
Exactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@israeluct7420some people are even born infertile so that isn’t right lol 😂 plus there’s 8 billion people in the planet now. If half of population decide to not have kids there’s still tons of people to have kids anyways
@@israeluct7420Tell us about how it's like to be impregnating women daily since you were 12. Do you have more then 1000 kids by now, right?
Because of the vast numbers of them. That influences the demography of a country in many ways and NONE are positive for that country.
Look, I know most Americans have had a very bad school experience. But for heaven's sake, before you make such comments, can't you just search the internet for the obvious answer? You might want to do it now. Or stay pretty much very ignorant indeed.
I don’t want to be a single mother so I rather not have kids till I meet the right person
I’m 57 years old. Never been married. Never had kids. This was the right decision for me. I love my time for myself, peace and quiet, traveling extensively and having extra money. I’m very happy with my choice. To each their own
Its clear that human beings suck at BALANCE... Cultures constantly tip too far one way or too far the other way.
Look forward to seeing the full interview. Excellent visual and audio quality!
My g✌🏾🇳🇬
The societal momentum is hard to recognize before it’s to late.
@Ram Rod Its called "Sheit Testing" at the global level
That would require critical thought, which most people lack. That's why cultural institutions are so important, because people will mindlessly follow it
Its because we are only meant to be in a small community of 25-50 humans. That's when there is balance. Technology more so social media has flat out turned the scale upside down.
My mother never wanted children but had them because of society. I’ve been in therapy for 10 plus years, to deal with my CPTSD because of the abuse I suffered as my mother resented my very existence. Please don’t have kids unless you want them. I know the pain of being a child of a woman who had a kid just to have a kid for society sake.
This should be pinned. Many women did NOT want children. They had them because it was the next “step” . Then the child(ren) are abandoned emotionally and mentally. Then men pretend to not know about the neglect because they aren’t being a present parent either. I commend you for taking the necessary steps to ensure your own well being 💜✨
amen
Exactly!!! People should only have kids if they really want to have kids and can provide for their kids❤
Same unfortunately x
Would you rather have never existed?
The flip happened with my wife, who for five years after getting married didn't want children, but then turning 34 or 35, suddenly wanted children.
So grateful for my child that I had at 24. Thirty years later he is the reason for my success. Inspired to do better and do more because of him.
“Stay away from those people who try to disparage your ambitions. Small minds will always do that, but great minds will give you a feeling that you can become great too.” - Mark Twain
I was force fed that i must want a carrer and that raising kids was a lowly position. I was told that if my ambition was to be a mom and raise kids that was a lazy, lowly, stupid choice.
Beautiful quote. The question then becomes how do you as an individual define your own ambitions and your own greatness? From a very young age, I was discouraged from dating, discouraged from getting married, discouraged from having children... by people who genuinely cared about me and thought they were helping me. I love to work and I don't think I could ever be fully satisfied staying home and raising a family, but many many women are and I definitely think it is a worthwhile aim to pursue if you can be fulfilled by it. But by the same token, I don't think I could ever be 100% satisfied with my life if I pursued only my career and never had a family. My marriage is the most fundamentally important thing in my life, and now that I am pregnant with my first child, I already feel my priorities shifting. I cannot imagine ever intentionally choosing not to have this child or this family, even if it meant giving up my career. Luckily, I found a man to be my partner in life who wants nothing more in the world than to stay home and care for our children so I can continue to pursue my higher education and my career.
the problem is a good chunk of really successful people were REALLY lucky. And then they have the nerve to say, just do your best and you'll be successful too, when they themselves just got there by chance.
@@jebes909090 yap, that's true. Having the right ideas and being smart you can still get stuck in a lot of places
i really like that quote. it's short, yet so clear and important
As a childless woman I have no regrets. I love the children in my life but will never have any.
That's awesome
That's good. We don't need your genes running on earth lol
life gets pretty lonely as you grow, hopefully you will change your mind
@Etevaldo Skylab think more deeply on how social relations develop thought poeople's life.
@Etevaldo Skylab very true, I've known old people who've been alone after all of their children left for college to different states, having children doesn't mean they'll be there for you
My 70yr old male friend told me he's thankful his daughter has the same life opportunities as his son.
But he's not realizing that each will value those opportunities differently. The son will value education, work, and income a lot higher than the daughter. Why? B/c with those things he's attractive to the opposite sex. For her, those things will get a pat on the back at best or the envy of her peers. He will be fulfilled, she will not be fulfilled. You're seeing this more and more with young women today. They're starting to see they were sold a false promise but they're realizing this too late...
@ChadiusMaximus196
You really max out on wrong assumptions assuming she will be unfulfilled.
His daughter is an educated professional and an athlete, as is her partner.
There's no false promises whatsoever.
The 70 year old is a male simp
@@wyleecoyotee4252 What I have seen is the following. Most men are incels. The women aren't incels, but they aren't any happier because they're pingponging around from Chad to Chad. And this has reached the point where they *literally* do not care if you are cheating - seen that first hand. Also education has no effect on attraction, but steroids do, so we men end up taking stuff. Maybe your 45 year old "friend's daughter" is different, but let's be real brother, her father is 70, she's a generation older than us zoomers. She's old enough to be my mom, and has a "partner" instead of a spouse. How many kids does she have? Maybe she's happy, I hope she is, but Peterson isn't wrong.
I have never been pressured to have children nor have I possessed the desire to. Never been shamed for it either. I’m sorry for those women who live in that reality.
I'm one of the women who have made it to 50 (I'm 54) and never had children. I'm ok with it. I'm naturally a happy person and one of those over achievers you describe. For context, I'm divorced. I have 3 adult step children who I love, great job and lots of friends and hobbies. We do exist.
Not only do you exist, you are also doing great. There is no formula to life and we should stop searching for one.
Same here, I'll be 40 next year and I'm still deciding if I want a puppy.
Well step children are a way to have children so, God bless
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I'm childfree and so is my husband. It's even better if you can be stepchild-free!
Lets be honest: most women and men shouldn’t have kids.
why ?
Why? All that's ugly(biased/prejudiced) in you automatically gets transferred into your child (ren). Ranging from Fear, Greed, Religion, Political Party, Food Habits, World View/Opinions etc etc. If having children was really the be all end all of life, happy people would be found everywhere from flipping burgers to CEOs, right ? Count today how many you meet out there in the world and how many of them are a parent! and you'll know why.
There are several problems with this idea. First, a nation with a below replacement birth rate is a nation heading for collapse. In order to continue to be a welfare state, you need tax payers. Western nations are trying to resolve this issue by flooding their nation with immigrants who come from places where their families have lots of children. Basically, replacing their own population with foreign populations. Eventually, this process will lead to nations losing their country to the foreigners they let in. All because they allowed women to control everything. Feminism kills. It destroys families, and it destroys nations.
Makes sense until we can’t replace the work force.
@@rednab2001 So many bitter men. How "should" we conduct this society? Back to 1957? Have you thought this through, or do you just jump on the "women destroyed" bandwagon without any thought? Should women be allowed to go to college? Be doctors? Astronauts? How about if a woman truly does not want children -- shunned from society? What if she is unhappily married, abused, maybe or just plain lonely, can she leave? or only with her husband's permission? If he gets tired of her and wants a younger woman (this is natural for men, right?) she has to jump into the workforce with no skills and try to support herself after giving up her options to trust his ability to support her and kids? What are you actually suggesting? Bashing the evil that women do is not helpful.
I never wanted a career and only really wanted to be married and have kids. However, I only wanted kids if I were married. Since marriage never happened because I got tired of dating broke, bipolar college dropouts. I never had kids but developed a career as a paralegal. At least I focused on having a loving relationship with my niece, nephews and great nieces and nephews. I finally think it is too late for me to get married now that I am 59. Oh well, I'd rather fail at getting married than fail at being married.
That’s precisely why NOT EVERY woman can be married and having kids in a society. There’re plenty of addicts, abusers, men who don’t want family and are not paternal, cheaters, commitment phobes, etc. Before most women were married because they had to endure the abusive husbands or bad fathers anyway.
Maybe my parents had too good of a marriage because I really want a great man like my dad. He was 1 in a million.
Also, once I updated my dating profile to say that I'm a breast cancer survivor, all interest stopped. Oh, well. I was just trying to be honest on my dating profile and now I have nothing to show for it.
They have made the society so expensive and then they blame us ?? How dare they
Who is they? Or you voted democrats or the left in to make it more expensive?
@@kingsolomega
Honey, the Reaganites are responsible for that. I’d rather the democrats be a true left wing party and actually tax the rich arses, but better than the republican fks. 😘
@@kingsolomega they is the people in power , I'm not interested in party politics who ever comes should work for people and society ...
Well there is no sense in complaining about the problem if you not interested in the solution, the reason for the problem is, or what caused the problem. People can say should all they want to, it’s insanity to keep doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result!
Does Jordan Peterson ask fatherless men in their late 20's and 30 the same question? Does he ask single men who are childless at 50 if they are truly happy?
I hope so. Theyw ould happily say how they shouldn't have kids. Antinatalism for the win.
Men can still have children at that age it's very hard for women to. It's not the same, once women make the decision there is no going back.It's a trade off for both sexes. The lie is it's an option later.He's speaking from personal experience and observation.
@@thaneknight so women in the late 20s and 30s can't have children? Maybe this is an American thing. My mom had 3 healthy kids between 34-40. She was too fertile and prayed to God not to have more.
@@holyempressw8531I'm very happy to hear your mother had three successful pregnancies later in life. If you choose not to have children and change your mind when you're older;it reduces the chances of having children.It's not personal no one is speaking in absolutes. It's not a "cant" only a probably not.Male fertility also drops past a certain age these are just realities.
Of course not
I am 58 now but had my first child at 33, second at 38. I didn’t get the message that my career was the most important thing. It was more that “you better have a way of supporting yourself in case something happens to your husband, you don’t want to be caught flat-footed”. The economy was very rough for people my age and we ended up slacking and then grad school until things got better. Which they did. But the other internal urgency was that I wanted to make sure I had stability in my life before Bringing kids into the world. Finally, it was vitally important to me to have children and practice selflessness to raise them. Have to say it was not about patriarchy.
Adding: just because you’re a woman does not make you a natural for mothering. Some of us logical women have to work up to it .
can you please tell some advice to have kids at 38. Did you take vitamins or just live and let nature do the job or went under special care to get pregnant quickly?
@@alejandrarios4290 nothing special really. Think I had to lose some weight because we tried the year before without success. So, lost maybe 20 lb and then did the usual procreative sex. Lol
@@alejandrarios4290 every doctor tells you to just have regular sex. apparently regular sex every week for two years increases your chances by around 90%
You sound very smart and cautious :)
@@leedlbagginshield8492 thanks - you would be right about that. A lot of women my age delayed children. We all had to raise ourselves and didn’t want to do that to the next generation
So if 50% of women aren't having kids by 30, lets minus the women who can't have kids medically or have a mental disability, women who are still virgins and don't date. Then lets split that 50% of women choosing not to and women who just haven't met the right man yet. The way men talk about this 'issue' is baffling. I think its great that human beings are evolving and realising there are other ways to live life and contribute to society. The only real issue i see is the whole retirement plan cost and supporting the old but thats society's issue not ours. Society needs to change and adjust to this new way of life. The economy has always been unstable, the capitalist way may aways be going up in terms of growth, but its not sustainable to keep getting more and more efficient forever. It will eventually collapse. People are getting poorer which makes no sense, if productivity is up and growth is up on average, than the average person should be getting richer. But we are seeing in real time the money is being hoarded up top. Now women have noticed this subconciously, and are future proofing their futures by having a career, investing, buying property if poss. If the need to survive is imminent then a woman is in a worse position with an extra mouth to feed, no one to help with child care etc. Its smart that women know that having children is a threat to their own survival. You can't depend on the husband in this equation as 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce. Social media has allowed us to wake up and see the raw end of the deal. So why wouldn't more women take the peaceful less risk adverse route? In this economy a child is a bad investment. Maybe it has mental and emotional fulfilment, but survival will come first before putting a child through the struggle too.
Umm how about we get men who actually want to settle down and don’t have a sense of FOMO cause of these dating apps and social media. Women not wanting kids isn’t solely on them. We don’t want to be single and do it
My God... if women didn't want to have babies before watching this video they are going to be less likely to now. Shiver.
having Kids are waste of time and energy, do job till your 70 and then have fun with retirement 👍
. I’m 32 and my mother had me at 40. She tells me I have plenty of time to conceive. I am not sure I want a child but I also wouldn’t put it completely off the table with my partner. I feel like he’s putting the fear of god into me when I watch these videos.
@@tessamarie8698 What you said makes no sense, why would women be paid more just because they're women?
Yep. The more I watched this type of content the more I become certain children are not for me. I’ve always been vigilant about birth control and looking into being sterilised. Would love to hear his wife’s perspective. Its easy to want kids when you don’t get pregnant, give birth or have to give up your career.
@@Coastpsych_fi99well the overarching point of these videos is that eventually the shiny career kinda loses it's novelty and appeal. And when that inevitably happens for some women, they find it's too late to turn back the clock. It's not pleasant and I don't wish that on anybody. Some ppl truly aren't for the parenting life. Either way, know yourself.
Some of us know we would not be good mothers, some of us have mental illness and other struggles so it would definitely not be healthy or smart to bring a child into the world. Secondly, relationships are not what they used to be. Men and women no longer value long-lasting relationships anymore, with the rise of hookup culture it has taught us to treat relationships like flavors we can pick and choose from when in reality none of us are exactly easy to love. It takes real work and commitment to make things work, even in the best of relationships.
I could be a good mother even with my personal trauma and challenges. I just don’t want to spend 18+ years of my life living round someone else’s clock. I can’t even stick in a job for too long. I didn’t choose to be born so I just want to experience life for myself through my eyes at my pace with all my senses without worrying someone is depending on me and my choices ✍🏻
Children have an amazing ability to force people to grow up and be less selfish because someone else relies on you to live.
One of the major issues in modern western culture is that we value being young and free with no responsibilities and, ultimately no limits/hedonism. I look fondly on my youth, but as a 40 year old father of two with a loving wife; my life is infinitely better and I’m a better, more responsible person (and thus better for society) than when I was in my 20s.
We need to encourage all parties to be more personally responsible with our choices in life, and get people to grow up.
@@lt.2992 at least you're honest about being selfish.
@@BENR8108 not always... plenty of selfish and useless parents out there...
Yup.. people never recognise there is alternate to incel.. femcel. Annoying that always incels get the heat and femcels are forgotten. 😔
Sounds more like a pleasant dream than a harsh reality.
With a mere 8 billion people on Earth, this is a crisis situation.
yep totally gonna cause extinction within the next 24 hours best prepare
What about childhood trauma? Women aren't expected to have kids young and those with trauma might be delaying it or choosing not too. Society needs to be talking about child abuse and healing trauma.
Society insists on having kids young so you don't come to your senses and realize that having kids is for society's benefit, only. No one asks to be born.
We've got overflowing prisons to prove pregnancy is a joke to most!!
Exactly very good point of view.
50.1% got trauma? 😐
You’re talking about a minority not the rule
I love being childfree but we're all different. Respect to parents and childfree people.
Isn't childless correct? Like you don't call homeless people home free... Asking cos eng not my native.
@@kiroshki I've mostly heard "childfree" so I think that's the widely used term
@@kiroshki But you day lactose free for lactose intolerant. Childless is general. Yes, childfree people are childless. But childfree adds meaning. They are free of children, because children would be a bab choice for them, a burden.
@@kiroshki childfree is the term used for people choosing not to have kids. If you search in Google you will find a lot about it
@@kiroshki Not the same :) Childfree means they are free of children. They are not less of anything, in fact having children would make their life lesser. Homeless people mostly tend to want homes but struggle to access them, hence the home*less* part. Homeless people can also call themselves nomads, gypsies etc. They crave the freedom of no fixed abode so they would be deemed, in a way, homefree ...just different terminology is used.
Some dont want them, it is their right !!!!
So only women have children? I thought 2 people make a child. When its convenient men are here, when its not - they disappear and kids are only women’s responsibility. So why to have children? From whom?
Women file for divorce 80 percent of the time....who exactly is causing these men to disappear?
@@believeyoume-nj2mtNice how you exclude what behaviour of the men could be causing the divorce. But unlike you I'm honest and their two people at fault for a divorce not just the one having the determination to file for divorce. Do you think the 20% of men filling for divorce aren't doing it for the same reasons as the wives are? Naivety or sexism? That's about you there.
@@charlottelouise209 Nice how you exclude what behavior IS causing the divorce initiated by women.
90 percent of divorce decrees state the woman feels they have "drifted apart"....Translation - Her happiness level is not at peak form. It has to be about her or off she goes.
But unlike you I'm honest and generally men seek to work things out. Do you know why that twenty percent of those men file for divorce? The VAST majority of men file for divorce because their wife cheated on them....that's hardly "two people at fault" kiddo.
Naivety or sexism? That's about you there.
@@believeyoume-nj2mt Blah blah blah! Understand your own biases or even recognising them would be a start. Maybe when you grow up you'll realise things aren't as one sided as you like to believe. Divorce can be for all kinds of reasons and growing apart can mean just that not so coded nonsense to suit your own agenda. It's not intelligent to just repeat what I said to you. "Women are evil!". Go let it out, you'll feel better. You're so immature and you don't even know it!
Unfortunately, my husband and I are infertile. We've tried to conceive for 11.5 years. I have a sister and lots of friends over 30 in the same boat. Many of us started trying in our early to mid twenties. 1 in 6 couples are infertile. So while some of this is caused by people choosing not to have children, there is also a rise in infertility.
What country are you from?
@@honkhonk6443 USA
Did you take hormonal birth control throughout your teen years? Are you vegan? Not asking to be offensive. Asking out of genuine curiosity. I'm so sorry that you're in this position. I can't even imagine.
I would go to a Traditional Chinese Medicine practice and see what they can do for you. They have herbs and acupressure that can help with infertility.
Not to be glib, but if you're wanting kids, there are plenty of opportunities for adoption and tax and other governmental benefits to help with costs.
People who feel they have to do what society expects are either scared or can’t think for themselves. Do what’s right for you.
I bet you can't tell the difference between society and genetic need for human survival..
@@joshknight8973
The survival of any species requires members who procreate and those who don’t. We have 8 billion people on the planet. That number needs to go down.
@@joshknight8973 we have too many people as is, willbe just fine
@@lillianp-yj6yx It takes 80 years for all generations to die and 40 years to make enough children to replace them. Will be just fine if people keep reproducing.
@@lillianp-yj6yxno it won’t! When all those people start to get old and there is not a young generation in a sufficient number to be the work force and keep the economy going. Those who have no children and no money to pay for private retirement, then we will have a big problem!
Single and childless sounds ideal to me.
It’s hilarious to me that two men (who will never have to deal with the trauma or stress of carrying a baby) talk about being child free as if it’s a bad thing.
maybe it's actually better when men talk about it. So it's not all about trauma or other victimhood.
@@paulb7207 yeah no, for sure it's not. Men are not in a position to decide if not having kids is a bad thing or not. They are literally not qualified.
@@paulb7207 No it's better when wome talk about it. Women are the ones who carry children, so the men's opinion on childless women do not matter at all.
You missed what she was saying @@paulb7207
@@paulb7207 Incorrect. Since they can't get pregnant, their opinions of childless women are not relevant.