Wing Chun Coach vs Boxing Coach - The Flaws Of Wing Chun Kungfu Demonstrated
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- We have a wing chun coach taking on a boxing coach. We see one of the most interesting displays of how boxing and wing chun compare in the striking department. Watch as we see some major flaws in this wing chun coach's approach to the striking range. Not only is Wing Chun coach too square, but he also drops his hands too much because he's always thinking of "trapping range" parries and grabs. On top of that boxer's punches are just too quick. Beyond this, Anson is just so much taller than our Wing Chun coach. However, this shouldn't matter because the wing chun mythos (or at least the line that comes from Yan Yong Chun) claims it's an art designed for smaller people.
Watch the original for more context, especially if you speak Chinese:
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Timecodes:
0:00 Match with commentary
2:12 Final moment slow motion replay
2:34 Show of respect at the end
2:49 Why I look tired
3:01 Anson Yu the boxing coach
3:15 Can't find wing chun coach
3:31 Finally found this video
3:53 Fun update
4:20 Fun questions for viewers
4:49 Final thoughts - Sport
Boxing Coach Anson's channel is in the video description and cards. If anyone has any information on this Wing Chun coach, please let me know! Here is Anson's Chinese name: 余鐵良 (余铁良). I'll search on social media to see if I can get in touch with him!
square is actually fine for entering with wing chun, and he doesn't need to have his hand up to protect himself. He actually needs to learn to close, off balance and blitz, instead he is pot-shotting which is what gives rise to the need for boxing basics. Wing chun should force hooks that it prevents with arm control. Real wing chun looks like a dirty boxing and clinch fighting. The reason these wing chun guys don't develop this is its mostly a lost art and also they dont train like fighters
This fight took place in 2010 and caused quite a stir back then. The boxer, Yu Tieliang, is a boxing champ and has represented HK in the Olympics. If memory serves, the WC guy claimed his scientific approach to WC was superior to boxing, and that he'd show the boxer "how to fight the right way." The boxer accepted his challenge, and the rest........is history.
many martial artists don't know how to box and that's sad. If you want to fight you have to learn boxing, I trained traditional martial arts for years but I only learned to fight when start train boxing.
Same here. I started in Hung Gar but didn't know how to fight until I started Boxing several years later.
The strange thing is a lot of people who train martial arts, not all, do not consider boxing and wrestling martial arts. This is crazy, and like you said, leads to a deficit in skills in critical areas. I love training with both and sharing notes and ideas.
那是你們訓練的問題不是武術的問題吧⋯⋯
@@ricardowashington4447 yeah, i've heard "Boxing is a sport, not a martial art" so many times...
Learning Muay Thai or Boxing or both, not only make one a better martial artist obviously, but will make it possible to be effective with frowned upon arts like Wing Chun.
Boxing is no joke
Not as big a joke as Ping Pung martial arts!
Why would you say such a Things... You saw the clip in front of your eyes ❤
The punch sh2t like something with 100 lbs hit you.
@@Evus-st5diyou’d get slammed by a boxer
@@arandomuser2378 I'm a former Amateur boxer and I'd slam you.
Yes, Jerry, your knowledge of Chineese and the ability to find rare stuff other martial arts youtubers can't are exactly the reason we follow your channel
That's one reason why Bruce ditched most of wing chun we he arrived in the states. He kept the trapping and rapid punching but he saw the flaws long ago.
Where are the Wing Chun fighter's kicks? Against a taller opponent, you have to use kicks to bridge the distance!!!
Might be an agreed ruleset idk
I think kicks are frowned upon in a sparring match
Probably forgot about it lmaooo
Imo there are no rules in fights especially if you are limiting your opponent against your weakness. That just says please don't kick me, I can't defend that.
Yea sorry no boxer is going to win against a person with good kicks. Wing chun is not only hands this is stupid it proves nothing. Boxing ain't no joke yep only when aren't
allowed A boxer of skill vs a martial artist with good kicks..sorry boxer is at a disadvantage period.
Wing chun's ideal range is close range. The problem is that a majority of Wing Chun barely teach footwork. Even if footwork is taught, it's terrible footwork (this includes William cheungs footwork). They'll see an opportunity, but can't get to it fast enough. Bruce Lee implemented fencing and boxing footwork in JKD. You need to bridge the gap and change angles as fast as possible if your opponent is super skilled and has lots of room to move.
And extreme lack of head movement. If you look at Mark Phillips and his wing chun, he was always getting his head off centerline.
This particular WC fighter is at least making efforts to side step. Nothing that he builds on, but it makes him slightly more effective
TBF this guy's footwork looked fine , he was just terrible at getting inside. Every time he would get close it seemed like he was trying to clinch. He remained standing straight up and square for every attempt and didn't manage to land punches.
He had no strategy of overcoming the boxers offense and landing his own.
Strategy could have involved conventional boxing slipping and low jabs. Bending leg, bobbing and weaving or moving to the outside of the boxers lead arm and jabbing from an angle that the boxer could not hit him back.
@@FightCommentarytrue that
@@mengmao5033yeah, this practitioner's footwork wasn't that bad, really. But i don't think he has practiced his moves all that well on a resisting opponent. He actually succeeded in entering a few times but made nothing of it other than pushing his opponent, which is usually bad for Wing Chun (And also getting punched in the face haha) because he is supposed to fight in the pocket, why would he shove his opponent oit of distance, then? So yeah, this practitioner just has to work on that and maybe we will see some good Wing Chun
I mean , he tried. But at least he was respectful towards his opponent and got the balls to pressure test his art👊 I think a capoeira or mantis style match would be dope for next time !
Capoeira X Mantis Kung Fu happened in Ganryujima.
@@aluisiofsjr Neat!
Respect to WC to test his skills
This man has no fighting skills. And it was Wing Chun trainer, poor his students, deceiving them every day..
@@santory5788 at least he decided to test his skills, few people are brave enough to sparring.
@@santory5788 about he taught WC to others well it is a pity.
This fight was a YT classic! I remember watching it maybe even earlier than 2010. It is awesome to watch this classic video again! Another one really old classical video is the owner of Art Of War championship (when he was BJJ blue belt) fight against Xu Xiadong (when he was only a Sanda fighter). I remember watching those fights so MANY years ago!
Priceless. The commentary makes it funny & entertaining. Nice find.
Glad you enjoyed it
You have a good channel. Interesting vids
Hey jerry, where do you actually live? I hear you mention a lot of things that are clues but i cant figure out where youre at.
If you read Bruce Lees book he says boxing is superior and should b mastered first. Then incorporate the other styles. His reasoning was that a punch is the fastest strike and that boxing requires faster reflexes
The yt channel 'Weaponism' has done a few videos on MMA vs Kendo that I's love to hear your take on. They've actually got a couple bare hands vs weapons videos, but the mma ones they did were the most interesting imo
I want to take some fencing classes and then I'll do more commentary on weapon martial arts. Stay tuned!
I'll just tell you right now, unarmed versus weapon is a 99% loss for the unarmed guy if the weapon guy has a real weapon and any clue how to use it. Especially, you said Kendo? Especially a weapon like a razor sharp sword that's pretty quick and gives you more than two feet of extra reach. You're not getting in on that. You're getting cut and losing blood fast.
@@TheMisterGuy Yeah no duh. When did I mention razor sharp anything? This might be a surprise, but they don't use real swords in kendo.
@@suplexed I'm sorry, that's beyond stupid. MMA versus Kendo doesn't even make sense unless you imagine the Kendo person is using a real weapon, not a shinai. Kendo is a point-fighting sport meant to imply real swords. MMA is a full-contact sport where the amount of actual damage inflicted by your attacks matters. Sorry, I guess I was wrong to assume your question was to be interpreted in the least stupid way possible.
@@TheMisterGuy buddy what are you even talking about? Just go watch the bloody video. One person had a shinai, the other person didn't, and they did some sparring. It's a cool video. You don't need to 'imagine' anything. A kendo sword is a kendo sword; the people who have to 'imagine' anything else are just larpers.
Id love to see a legit xing yi guy, someone who pressure tests it in one of you're videos. It would be legit awesome.
Love you man
I use Wing Chun in sparring all the time. But just like any other sparring, it requires practice, testing stuff, and lots of trial and error. But the results are so worth it.
Lots of martial artists just have no respect for people who spar. I think it's insane, and childish. People like them make traditional martial arts look like a joke, even though in reality there's lots of good qualities in every art.
Its good for close range
Did we finally get an honest "Wing Chun vs Boxing" video?
i was only able to use any wing chun techniques after years of sparing and experimenting with karate practitioners and then with kickboxers and thai boxers. Reading bruce lee's books really helped with training and application
The main issue with most Wing Chun practitioners is that they focus too much on the style itself. It's not about the style; it's all about you. If you want to use Wing Chun against boxers, you are responsible for making it work, not the Wing Chun style. Train with boxers, adapt & adopt tactics, rules, and principles that are effective against them. Don't rely on strategies that only work against other Wing Chun practitioners. Wing Chun is just a name we use; it's not a fixed entity. Create your own Wing Chun style, and if you're good against boxers, some of them probably already know it :)
If you love to stay traditional, that’s fine. But please, remember, this style was created in the 17th century as a response to the common martial arts practiced in certain regions of China. Modern boxing was developed much later and obviously is not one of those martial arts. So don’t be naive - do not expect to beat a boxer by sticking strictly to this path. Just accept that you do this for the spirit, not for real fights.
This right here. I'm a Kung Fu guy, though not Wimg Chun, and my main sparring partners are two boxers and a wrestler. You have to be willing to have pressure put on you and adapt.
Many traditional martial arts do not work in fights with "conditional laws" as their forms involve combinations of hands and feet blows. Restrictions to the use of hands and kicks combo is a huge disadvantage to the form itself just like a triple jumper taking part in a 100m dash.
I don't understand any technique that involves pressing in with both arms extended with no apparent intention to grapple or clinch. Like a weird Frankenstein stiff arm punch shove think. I don't see it from every wing chin practitioner, but I see it more often from wing chun. Can someone explain?
It's called "Bridging" 寻桥. But usually if you look at Qi La La, he doesn't enter blindly. He uses strikes to set up a bridging attempt.
Its just poor skill. Unfortunately many WC practitioner need to be sparring like this with others, that intent to hit them, and that just isn't the case.
Wing chun isn't an 'empty hand sparring' art.
Its punches lack power and are just a way to blitz or trap into close range - in order to deliver the only K.O.-worthy payload it's got - which is elbow to the jaw or sternum. That's the only worthwhile objective, really. But I doubt that red dude would agree to taking elbows, would he?
That said, Tyson's tight hooks often turned into elbows in the ring 😏. It's kinda wing chun-ish in that respect.
i think most people who came across this fight for the first time was shortly after watching i.p. Man. i swear i remember red shirt dude like it was yesterday
So interesting. I wonder why this match isn't on Anson Yu's channel. I'll do a search on Chinese social media to see if I can find more cross discipline matches from him.
I will grant the fact that the boxer is SIGNIFICANTLY larger. Also, he did actually enter multiple times significantly (dont know why you said he didn't), he was just clueless when he got there.
Pau!! How have you been? So fun to see you in the comments again. It's so weird how the CZcams algorithm will cycle videos to old viewers randomly. There's another viewer named Elenchus who would comment on a lot of videos, but then he'll disappear for years because CZcams stopped serving him videos. And then he'll reappear again for a year and then disappear. Man, the only thing more random than trapping range is the CZcams recommendation engine. When did you start seeing my videos in your feed again?
WC guy should have kept circling into the hook and finding ways to trap or jam it, then enter. I mean, he would likely have gotten hit 90% of those times, but at least execute the gameplan your art preaches. He didn't create opportunities to trap that were timed/dictated by himself, ceding initiative to the boxer. When he did initiate, it was low success chain punching or even jumping and punching.
Oh boy this is a classic
And we finally found the original ;)
What's weong with wing chun?
Everybody have fun tonight,
Everybody wing chun tonight
Ip Man? More like: Sleep, Man! 😂
That's why Bruce Lee made his own style of a combination of Wing Chung, boxing, and submission Jeet Kune Do
Great 🌹
Boxing is a Martial Art😎
How to have a boxing match with a boxer, when you don't know how to box. Usually, does not end well.
spot on exactly
Not quite Ip Man vs Twister.
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Was Twister in the fourth one or the second one?
@@FightCommentary second
I see.
Your neighbor is cooking in the bedroom. Love at first punch!
The taller guy in red is a boxer? With his hands down most of the time, did he learn boxing from Perry Como???
There is massive size difference.
As with any discipline, it depends on the Master that implements it, the evolution of Win Chun is Jeet Kune Do, the Art of the Intercepting Fist...
-Bruce Lee
I would like to see you pull a capoeira move on her at least once, and that would also be cool if you would use some of the kung fu you did
1:49 Oh no, look at the WC guy's feet position.
If the 2 guys same size maybe the result isn't same. The fight not start yet i already guess who is the winner.
I know a couple of Wing Chun guys who can actually fight. Their style looks like a constant shift between legitimate boxing guards: High Guard, Cross Guard Guard, and L Guard, with some other stuff mixed in. They change guards situationally. My issue with them is that they are too defensive and reactive. They are hard to hit, but they never commit enough to do any real damage, so eventually, they get cracked. But these guys spar all the time. This "master " has never been leak-tested.
😂 man I feel you about your neighbor's bedroom activity. I get to hear box springs squeaking all night.
This footage demonstrates clearly, that if youre going to be a solid foot shorter than your opponent, and have easily 16 inches less reach than him, you hetter have good footwork to Enter, and good Bridge Hands to get to the inside. This is less an example of "Boxing > WC" and more an example of "Reach > Short Arms"
Fighting a taller opponent is a nightmare.
Edited: HA! I sure did piss off the fake tough guys, with this comment.
Bingo, what if the taller guy had been the wing chun player. I'm not saying that the WC guy had a good approach, but it would have worked much better had the heights been reversed.
Fighting a Boxer are a Nightmare.
I don't think bunny hopping with outstretched and stiff arms is going to do much against any legitimate fighters even if they happen to be 5'5''
When you don’t know what you’re doing, yeah, I’d imagine so.
@@Sakaki98 So Semmy Schilt's opponents didn't know what they were doing?
I spared a wing Chung guru, he had good flow landed a good amount but as soon as pegged him with a little thai kick to his his leg he said no more kicks lol...
I'm aslo a boxer but I'll tell you what, like in karate as well there are a handful of decent wing Chung moves
However Dutch kickboxing and Muay Thai reign surpreme
this what happened with those fanatic martial art guy who think martial art style is religion.... the WC guy should use his kick to keep distance and try to invite attack from the boxer....when the boxer launch his attack then WC guy try to trap boxer attack...may be WC guy get some luck....
That reach advantage is hard to overcome without solid bridging skills to get inside. Unfortunately, this dude was found lacking.
Also Bruce lee is one of the first marchal artists to mix styles specially Filipino kalay marchal art and talk about that style it's not for self defense it's for taking someone out just to let you know if you want sparing with expert or try to challenge someone wearing protection all the time if you don't you will happen
Bruce lee made jkd seems like a better version of wing chung
It was supposed to be lol
That's partly why Bruce created jkd
It just looks like the wing chung guy is just physically overmatched in the first place.
2:49 So uh, what kind of "activity" did your neighbors do in the kitchen? 🤣
Whin Chun guy will get his moment sooner or later and land 300 punches. ;) So much power!
Try Ki style Aikido 😁
Correction on my first comment what i meant to say was that boxing wouldn't of worked on Sifu Norbert Maday or any other Wing Tsun Practitioner.
Wing Chun must have footwork, yet, where is the WC guy's footwork? Not saying it would have been a deciding factor, but the lack of it cost him a lot. Peek-a-boo would do him a lot better.
Yep. That is a great observation. The awkwardness in his entries definitely has a lot to do with lack of proper footwork.
I'm the first one. For the first time in forever!!!
Parts if wing chun that work for self defense are just like if someone grabs you and you know wrist control you can have a better chance at pushing them away and running, really i think thats what most women who used it would have used it for maybe hit someone in the throat or face that grabbed their arm or wrist or by the shoulders.
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Why is it always some wing Chun guy that's a couple weight classes below or fighting a giant In any of the videos I ever see by anyone regarding Wing Chun? This reminds me of the scene in the Bruce Lee movie when he fought Kareem.
Can you find pak Mei Kung fu
Will take a look
I'm glad the height difference is minimal 😅
The problem is not the discipline is the fighter
Try fight wing chun vs MMA
are you okay now Jerry?
Their sizes are not comparable. Choose similar sizes to evaluate.
Sorry to hear about the next door neighbors, I think the Wing Chun guy should have been going for body shots and moving his body while in the lower position
I’m pretty sure he’s not doing any wing chun in this video. Wing chun doesn’t normally spar in boxing gloves to boxing rules. Maybe if they use broken finger gloves where fingers are out.
Hilarious size difference.
What would Bruce Lee think?
Isnt wingchun for defese?
No, it is for conning people out of money.
Boxing is the best way to go. All fighting styles are unique. But over all I choose boxing. Cuz trying to kick takes too much time. Hands r faster than feet.
Man Donnie Yen made this guys believe that their ballet is better than boxing
These are the 華山論壇網聚. This must have been like 20 years ago.
Are there any other videos from that event?
i can never underestimate wingchun but the truth is.. it only works in the movies. if wingchun can produce a champion in one fc and ufc, then i am convince.
The bigger guy beats the smaller, what else is new?
Never fight a boxer especially with boxing rules, it is a lose, lose endeavor. Let's flip the tables, Ie let's have the boxer compete against a judo player with judo rules. I wonder how that would turn our
How good is Xu Xiadong against a real mma fighter?
Next time should match an equal weight class athlete. This boxer has a big height and reach advantage.
Maybe get same sized guys
Hand trapping from a distance, bad idea...,
Someone will make it work ;) Think about how far Khabib shoots in for a take down. We're going to get a wing chun version of Khabib one day. Just will take a lot more pressure testing and humbling of ego, but I want to see more examples of wing chun implemented well.
I wouldn't be celebrating if I was the boxer. You are fighting an older, weaker, smaller man.
Only good for people who don't know how to fight
Now a days boxer is on another level if u watched 3 rounds amatuer boxing like asian games , pan American games or Olympic, those guys are real boxer but these chinese fighter claimed to be an boxer is like they just learned it yesterday
You ask what style we suggest for the fight against your guest ? I propose the boxing style of Nicolino Locche a.k.a. 'The Untouchable'.
I think you still have enough time to learn to emulate it!😉
OH man! I forgot his name. So glad you helped me remember. I'll get so hurt trying his style XDD
Wow!
Why is the Wing Chun guy not guarding his head?!
Boxing is good and so is Wing chun, depending on the person who uses it!😎
Boxing guy is taller, his arm also longer. Thats not a really fair fight to prove which is better than another
If the dude on right is a WC instructor, then I'm Japanese
this is a seasoned fighter versus an instructor... the fitness and skill levels are completely different
Wing Chun was created by a woman originally but after man had got there hands on it the techniques changed it eventually ended up with YipMan and he taught severel students like Bruce Lee, and William Cheung which went on to become the Grand Master of Wing Chun but YipMan Had one last closed door disciple student and that was Leung Ting who was able to Master the complete system and bring it back to its original form and technique like when the woman created it and called it Wing Tsun to separate it from the other system that was imperfect.
In the kitchen? Sounds like a case of "The Postman Always Rings Twice"😁
They wake up multiple neighbors all the time.
Yeah, okay, now try that out on a Wing Tsun Practitioner.
Same results. Wing Chump doesn't work.
As a student of Chow Gar, I do not like to defend Wing Tsun practicioners, but what i see here is a poor example of the style. Where is his almost mandatory cover hand? Where is the Wing Tsun "接受前进的，跟随后退的，如果失去联系，就向前进攻" basic strategy? This fighter has accepted ego and panic, and has abandoned even the few useful moves the style has to offer. A more skilled proponent would have been more useful as an example. I have fought better than he, and they were not instructor level.
Meanwhile,people dont talk aboit the sanda and shuaichou guys who are legit
Muay Thai, kickboxing, or boxing.
Any grappling discipline
And your ready for anything
Forget about these impractical arts for self defence
Wing Chun movement is not that rushing.. his legs are not stuck to wing chun movement as well😅
Size mismatch
It'd be different if wing chun guy was the same height, but still wing chin becomes very limited when you eliminate footwork. You are left with arm defense and attack. But, at least we can see boxing is dominant just because full training focuses on upper body hits.
Guarantee that boxing would work on Sifu Norbert Maday.
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Correction I meant to say that boxing wouldn't work against Sifu Nirbert Mayday
Sifu Norbert Mayday or any Wing Tsun Practitioner
There are two different styles Wing Chun and Wing Tsun
Do you know the difference?