What If GOKU used BROLY'S POWER in the SAIYAN SAGA?
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The battle against the Saiyans has been a fierce one. Many lives have been lost including the self redeeming sacrifice of the former Demon King - Piccolo. Goku has stepped up to take over the fight from here and after beating Nappa he faces the Saiyan Prince Vegeta. Goku pushes his body to it’s limits with a Kaioken x 4 Kamehameha, but that forces Vegeta to take drastic measures - an artificial moon that lowers Vegeta’s own base power, but in turn grants him access to the Oozaru form at will.
This is usually where things begin to go wrong for Goku, but something different occurs here. Back when Goku was a child there were moments where he’d tap into his own hidden potential and the manga visualized this as him accessing the power of the Oozaru in his base form. This experience leads Goku to a revelation once he realizes that he was the monster who comes out in the full moon. Utilizing the Oozaru power from his childhood in a new way Goku accesses the Ikari form. The power of the Oozaru without the sluggish movements of the Great Ape.
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Carthu are you gonna compleo what if Gohan was like Goku?
Gohan
Do what if Universe twin Are Connected
What if vegeta was the main character instead of goku
What video will you do next?
Ikari form: Am I a joke to y--
Every form from Kaioken x20 onward: Yes.
Not tryna be that guy but kaioken is a technique. Not a transformation.
That's why it's able to be stacked on super saiyan as well. It's a multiplier of strength.
@@dregamingz exactly. But i think alot of the people in the comments do not watch other what if youtubers also.
If they also watch saiyan salad, masakox, plus ultra man, smug stick...man a lot of people they have their own take on this also.
@@dregamingz he said every form from kaioken x20 *onward*
@@dregamingz it work like a transformation they both boost the base form
The editing skills and the fast and accelerate story time is extremely good
Thank you so much!
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Will there be a part 2?
@@CarthusDojo what if Gohan was like Goku wasn't continued
@@bluesah3269 check out my what ifs ok
@@urionlimitbreaker8876 all of his what ifs now are full stories
While I agree that ikari would become redundant I feel like one big kind of glossed over change is the absolute gains krillin and gohan have compared to their canon selves. Krillin being close to 2nd form frieza is wild, and Gohan at FOUR million? Wasn't he just 200k in the original? It's possible that with him being that much stronger, he could potentially get super saiyan earlier in the android arc. Or he could possibly get Ikari instead of super saiyan. After all, while gohan was mindless as an oozaru he got it under relative control when he used it against vegeta in canon.
with rage boost he became almost 2 million. but yeah.
@@TheUltimateRare Now imagine a rage boost against second or third form frieza when his base is 4 million.
Am I the only one who think that could have killed goku and vegeta
Let me explain in the black arc (manga) there is a moment when goku and vegeta chose to stay in the future arc and to fight many fusioned zamasu without any energy and goku say "if only I was able to go super saiyan"
So I thought if he could go ikari form cause if we follow the carthru logic an goku completely destroyed by the kaioken was still able to use it and in the black arc with vegeta he just don't have much energy so maybe I though instead of looking for an senzu(because he wasn't able to go SS) he would have immediately gone and ikari form with vegeta and fought the zamasu's and died and all the rest
So ?
He was only an Oozaru against Vegeta for like 10 seconds, there was not enough time for him to prove that he had any control.
@@Niall_Sene Goku told him to calm down and attack vegeta. Then he did so. That’s 1000x more control than Goku ever had.
I hope you continue
"What if Gohan was like goku" in the future.
Or maybe you could do
"What if Gohan turned Super Saiyan in the Saiyan Saga" (when Piccolo died)
Gohan wouldn't be able to do anything he's body wouldn't be able to handle it I think the story would go the same but gohan with a power boost
@@nightdeathsmorth224 but vegeta seeing the legendary ssj or just ssj would have vegeta making a truce
@@ayatanjum3522 with vegeta's pride during the saiyan saga, he will likely just accept it similar to a Kaioken form as he believes hes the strongest and super saiyan can only be achieved through the Vegeta Bloodline so he will still fight overall
@@Jurisenn golden hair green eyes power greater then him i am pretty sure the second gohan punches him once he would know its super saiyan fssj would have Been different but ssj
@@Jurisenn as gohans rage would allow him to use it for 3 minutes before he gives out so its enough time to punch him really hard since gohan would have a pl of 50 something k
I have to say, both of the streams today were really fun to attend.
He's gone supersaiyan while oozaru. And gone kaioken while super saiyan and ssb. Why wouldnt he be able to stack kaioken? Kaioken plus ikari would match 50% freeza and kaioken Xs 4 would match 100%. Ikari would also lead to ssj4 in the future since ssj4 is basically ikari plus ssj
You watched a lot salad saiyan don't you?
@@K1ngFreeza. is that supposed to be mocking Salad’s What-Ifs?
@@pagawn1640 of course not i watched so much of his videos just it was the fact that he said ssj + ikari =ssj4 because i never seen any person talking about this beside salad saiyan
3 things
1st: Golden great ape and super kaioken aren’t cannon so bringing them up is pointless
2nd: to use the ikari form the user has to be angry while kaioken -requires a calm mind- requires ki control which is probably not easy when using a form literally called “Rage”
3rd: Ssj4 isn’t cannon
@@maen7674 Your right on everything except that kaioken doesn't need the user to be calm
Literaly the first time used goku was mad at nappa trying to kill gohan and krilin (and with the fact that just almost all his friends just died)
It's more the ki control
You gave Krillin and Gohan such massive power boosts, I don't think things would align just yet, especially with gohan definitely being able to achieve super saiyan within the 3 year timeskip
That's what I'm saying Goku in this arc is still stronger than gohan
Carthu, could Goku stack kaioken on top of the ikari form?
He'll probably never see this and reply though
What if carthu dosent reply, I will
I don't think he can, ikari is not exactly a form, it's like kaioken, it's just the great ape's power without going huge and slow
@@Shrine_of_Karma Ikari is a form , it unleashes the power of the great ape and increases the overall size of the user , it being controllable and uncontrollable like the great ape further solidified it as a form, a stackable one like that like super saiyan is to super saiyan god.
there really is no actual reason he can’t use Kaioken with Ikari.
@@kaynines5996 still it will go irrelevant soon, let's say goku unlocked Ikari in saiyah saga and now we r in granola arc, broly has 3 main forms, ikari, ssj, lssj but goku has a lot of them, nowadays goku dosent use kaioken with base anymore, he just skips to ssj, ikari would suffer the same fate as of kaioken
Shame the What If was so short, I'd have loved to see it progress further with Goku utilizing the Ikari alongside Super Saiyan (or at least experiment with them during Cell Games Saga), especially since Broly was able to do it.
He might be able to do a Kale/Broly type Super Saiyan with using Super Saiyan on top of Ikari.
@@johnquach8821 exactly, a theory that I saw before in the comment section, is that Ikari + Super Saiyan = Broly's Super Saiyan, and Oozaru - Super Saiyan = Super Oozaru, and in consequence, Super Saiyan 4
@@frimy740 So basically, if goku got ikari he could gain SSJ4
@@djsuper2627 I like to think that it's only as strong as a Golden Ape, which is weaker than SSJ4 and less durable.
Omg, This is a topic I didn’t realise I needed to see ! I am hyped for this ! Looks like it’s gonna be a blast !!!!!
Hyped for what lol the what it is already over he said at the end there’s no point in continuing because the form because irrelevant
@@ZeNokeiBG He commented before the video was released so he was saying he is excited to watch the video
THIS IS NOT REAL. this video is clickbait. It is only pictures and guy talking.
''Once the transformation starts its too late to stop''
Yeah..... Android 17 doesnt seem to care that much about it tho XD
One of the best what ifs yet
Why couldn't Goku stack it? He's a genius when it comes to fighting and ki control. It would also give him a x500 multiplier which would have been sick!!
He explained it right here, 12:06.
@@75JUNAKI Did he, though? Or did he outright dismiss it by saying, "that wouldn't happen here"? If Broly can do it, I'm sure Goku could.
@@sharanowalkine6236 he didnt explain shit
@@sharanowalkine6236 broly was way, way more powerful than goku and he has unnatural potential that allowed him to combine both forms.
Ikari is a form that's basically super saiyan but more rage.
Kaioken takes great ki control and a calm mind to activate.
If in ssj alone, goku can't stack kaioken on top of it then how worse would it be for kaio ken? Elder kai states that combining kaioken with super saiyan wouldn't work because super saiyan is a form of rage, a form that needs intense emotion to activate, that conflicts with the calm mind necessary for kaioken. On top of other factors like how heavy the strain of the kaioken is on the body.
Goku can combine it with SSJBLUE ONLY and possible ssj god too because god ki requires a calm mind aswell, it's to keep the ki inside the body instead of having it gush forth like other forms.
Oh come on Carthu, if anyone could figure out how to mix ssj and ikari
It would be Goku, and the combination would be far stronger than ssj2 and ssj3, which could help out alot
@HigherSelfYasiinCharles I don’t know if Ikari and Kaioken could stack because Ikari is rage like ssj and Kaioken requires focus (sorry about being late)
@@herospaces4114 I mean if they combine ikari and ssj it would result in ssj4 coz its the combination of the great ape and ssj
@@herospaces4114 kaioken actually doesn't need focus/calm mind, shown when the first time Goku used Kaioken which is towards Nappa.
Its more about Ki Control than Calm Mind
@xoOox_ Goku wasn't as mad as nappa as he is with frieza. Goku spared nappa lol.
Kaio ken does take calm mind and focus, and of course great ki control.
That's why goku can't stack kaioken on any of the ssj forms because those forms are full of emotion on top of the already present strain in using the ssj forms.
Kinda like the spirit bomb yk? It has similar restrictions to the kaioken but instead of a calm mind it needs a pure heart.
Yo Carthusian, will you allow Goku and other Saiyans to be able to combine SSJ and Ikari (just like DBS Broly)? Because I have a feeling that it is very much possible to do so with anyone.
Yes
That's one of the most annoying things I keep hearing from other people with their ideas like if they had kidnapped Gohan that they would have trained him. When the fact is Vegeta and the others didn't train or believe in it they would have just thrown Gohan into battle expecting him to either sink or swim, lol
If you think about it, the power boost would be less from the potential unlock because they are at higher power levels.
I got to say, the editing in this video is A1! Mad respect, my man
Hey Carthu, I really like your what if video's, keep up the excellent work, and i'd like to see a: "What if Goku and Raditz were sent to earth?" in the future please
thats a good idea
He probably will never do a Raditz what if
But he did favorite this comment...
So let's just hope that he will make a what if raditz and goku were sent to earth
@@Silkyfin_ That doesn't mean he will do a Raditz what if... I remember in one of his live streams he said Raditz barely had character.
This sounds like an intresting video, can’t wait to watch!
Ummm I was always under the impression that Ikari STACKED on top of other forms and techniques, rather than swapped with others. That’s part of what made Broly so dangerous and part of what made his SSJ form so OP.
No not really
What made Broly so dangerous was his constantly raising base Power, one of the most important parts of Saiyan transformations, since transformations only exist to raise your current base Power
You could see that in the beginning of the movie, Broly starting out getting absolutely dunked on by base Vegeta, but was eventually able to overwhelm super Saiyan Vegeta.
Goku doesn't have Broly's constant battle raising power, which would make the Ikari form pointless after super Saiyan
I really loved the video and it bringing the old concept of DB but
Why is Goku's potential boost so low, you say this should be a zenkai equivalent instead of his potential but why should it? You immediately go back and give Krillin his potential boost and Gohan more potential than in the original quite near 100x then you say this should makes sense since this unlocks potential but why didn't you do the same with Goku. In another What if (What if Goku killed Vegeta) you do this perfectly where Goku gets 60x which makes sense since it should be more than his zenkai boost since Saiyans has a lot of potential then Krillin gets his original 50x which makes sense its lower than a Saiyan's then Gohan gets 70x this also makes sense since it should be higher than a regular Saiyan's
I've been waiting for you to cover this topic for a long time
This channel has become one of my top 10 favourite youtube channels!
Huge fan of DBZ and these what ifs are so damn good!
I love it, nice job Carthu, also let's see another part of what if Kami raised Goku please.
That would be awesome! I wonder if a Kami Goku would get god ki... and stack god ki on top of Super Saiyan --> Super Saiyan Rose? Admittedly that would be really overpowered early on.
@@johnquach8821 super saiyan rose was strictly that color because of Zamasu’s god ki
@@johnquach8821 Who knows, that's why I want to see the next part, with an extra year to train, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Dude this story was amazing.. i honestly wish there were more writers like you at toei😂. I really hope they do something with the ikari form it’s something different than ss which some people are tired of and it delves more into sayain instinct and I think it would just be cool to see goku and vegeta access. Shoot it could even be a gateway for them to make ss4 canon. Even gohan accessing this for would be awesome. Nevertheless great story can’t wait for the next one.
Yippee another Carthu video I'm sure it'll be as good as I hope
Loving the video!
Love This Content Keep The Good Work up!
Thanks! Will do!
I don't agree with you cutting it off, this seems very much like a Gohan saves the future timeline due to his much higher battle power, even if it takes years.
I always wondered why Gohan never had that love of fighting from his Saiyan side, Especially since Goten and Trunks seem to have it (at least as kids). And that got me think thinking, I would really love to see your take on a what if where Gohan enjoyed fighting like Goku does.
he just didn't.
He was always more interesting in studying.
But goten and trunks probably enjoy it due to vegeta raising trunks and chi-chi being more accepting of goten fighting and even training him.
I love how on point your what ifs are
Wow the editing is just incredible
Awesome editing on this one^^
Pretty dope concept, the only way I could see Ikari have some use again is if the Ikari form was taken into consideration in the GT Continuity
No. It is Clickbait. No such anime. It is PICTURES
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AWESOME you make the best db what if's!
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Carthu! Your Content is Really Good! You make long videos easily watchable and I appreciate the thought gone into these! Keep up the good content!!
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@@CarthusDojo where is what if gohan was like goku
Great edits man
I hope you make a part 2 to this, the story plot is so good.
Amazing as always
Brooo this is so good
This is fr so detailed and good
This will be fun to watch after my Indoor track meet today! 💪🏿
Wait, I’m confused. In one of your other What-If videos about Broly and Goku being sent to Earth, You have Broly combine the Ikari form with Kaioken but Goku can’t in this story?
i like your content it's very good and hope to see more carthu's story in the future
Huh? 🤔 So that's what happen Ikari becomes irrelevant after Namek till the Broly Movie got it. But still it would be cool to see Ikari Goku vs Great Ape Vegeta & Ikari Goku vs Frieza. Finally hoping for: What if Gohan was like Goku? to come back next. Anyways another really good one-shot what if, and looking forward to your next video soon.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan turned SSJ during the Saiyan Saga?
Not a bad video.
I do think that there would be possibilities to be creative and use the Ikari throughout the series, though.
Ikari form only useful to people like broly and cumber who have massive battle power in their base state. Even current goku not vegeta can't utilize it since their base battle power is complete joke against broly
Your editing skills are improving lol
Edit:the video is amazing!
Thank you!
The art in the thumbnail is insane!
Your videos are awesome
Enjoying this channel
Cell Saga. Goku would have totally tried to mix the Ikari form with the super Saiyan form. Which would have made hit stronger than super Saiyan 3. Also, Cell would probably have had access to the Ikari form. Much respect to you my dude. But there is so much that could have been done here with it.
It wouldnt make him stronger than ssj3 , it will probably make him about ssj grade 4
@@tajwarrahman250 well we know that super saiyan 2, is a two times multiplier compared to Super saiyan. Now considering the buff, we assume it’s perfected Super saiyan. Goku would probably want to master super saiyan and THEN add Ikari on top of it. Which would make a 10x multiplier on that version of super saiyan. So it would be 5x stronger than super saiyan 2. And Super saiyan 3 is said to be about 4x stronger than SsJ2
@@superkamiguru1000 Pretty sure SS3 is 4x stronger than SS1, so it should be 2x stronger than SS2.
The ending is peak fiction
Watched the entire thing banger
hyped man
this is gonna be great
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I look forward to it 🙂
THE EDITING AND THE QUALITY HAS IMPROVED A LOT
this gonna be good
Bro I get that it’s probably hard to get a video idea edit voice over an all that stuff but I need more videos love the work👌
I was thinking about this the other day and this came up in my recommended
What if goku got Supreme instinct(Ui and Ultra ego)? That would be an amazing thing to see.
That sounds broken
It wouldn’t make any sense to two stack two different forms that contradict each other
They are both Divine ki forms, the combination of they could actually happen if they ever fused
@@dmitribrutus5543 U again forgot that UI is a technique and Ultra Ego is a form
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Couldn’t Goku learn to use a Super Ikari form like in the Android Saga or Cell Saga?
Side note I feel like Ssj2 is the best form to merge Ikari with. A Super Saiyan Ikari Goku vs Cell, or Super Saiyan 2 Ikari vs Buu
More of these please
Ikari form + the power of Super Sayian God equals primal ssj god
Nah that's just ssj4
Always a guaranteed good watch
Oh boy im hyped
Remember when you made Vegito permanent? You should've made Bulma and Chi Chi fuse.
That would be amazing!!!
Ngl I did needed this too😂
Honestly if you uploaded the audios to spotify id just listen to these forever
I would argue that the Ikari form would lead to changes when Super Saiyan comes into play, from them trying to use both Saiyan born powers. Which, given SSJ4....
Oh man this is gonna be a journey
I love your What Ifs. I keep thinking up fun "What Ifs" you could cover.
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I know you keep wanting to come up with fun Buu arcs.... so hear me out.
There's a lot of potential fun to be had in "What if Raditz and Nappa were brought back to life?".
They have the same potential as any Saiyan... and therefore, have the potential to reach SSJ... and even more: God Ki. It can be up to you "when" they're revived, I'd think between Cell and Buu is a decent time to wish them back and begin their training under Vegeta, which would help him grow significantly more in power between the arcs. He would probably not even bother getting involved in the fights until after Majin Buu is born. Goku wouldn't have to be borrowed back.
Food for thought =) Thanks for the fun vids.
he would just combine it with kaio ken at lower levels to reduce stress on the body
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Bro i love this ! I need it to be a series your the best carthu !!!
Btw the editing and the art is way to perfect ! Anyways i'll see you next vid carthu if you like my comment please leave a heart ! Hope you see this ! 😁😁
I just like how everyone now has their own unique transformation.
And now, I wait until Smugstick's Part 3 of Ikari Goku
Very cool Carthu! Now I'm even more curious about how the rest of Z, Super, and GT would've been altared if the only thing that changed is Vegeta never got it through his head to train and spent the entire Dragonball franchise getting stronger through nothing but zenkai boosts. But I just recently thought of another what if that I think you'll really like. What if King Kai did not forget about the amount of time Goku needed to run back to Earth on Snake Way, and as a result, Goku was there to help fight against Vegeta and Nappa from the very start?
Ngl your what if are better then other youtubers
Loved the video but can you do What if Vegeta joined Frieza in Resurrection F
8:27 Vegeta spits on Goku's mercy...nailed it
I need to watch this
Wow! Ikari in the saiyan saga?! Completely random but awesome anyways! Nice job Carthu.
Would've been cool though
Somewhere in a alt earth this had to happen it makes so much sense
Hi Carthu I just subscribe (on my switch too) and I was wondering, what if Vegeta gains Ultra Instinct? How will this play out in the timelines? Where Vegeta was never evil to Goku but training for it?
I wanna see more fan made mangas where the villains have their way & go on with whatever it was they was tryna do
I Love this
I can’t wait
Carthu you should a what if of what if the tournament of power happend before the goku black arc
I am early hope the vid will be a full story
Everybody gotta do a countdown
Will there be a part 2?