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- Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Micah Richards talk managerial rivalries and discuss whether Jürgen Klopp or Pep Guardiola is the better manager and what legacy they will both leave when they move on from the Premier League.
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For me, it's Klopp. He's taken struggling clubs to the top and overcome better teams with bigger budgets. Pep has always gone to the best clubs that already won trophies/leagues and made them better. I'd like to see Pep at a club that is struggling/not won anything for a while.
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Wow, didn't think this would attract this many comments and likes.
To clarify what I meant about 'struggling clubs' and including Liverpool in that.
Before Klopp's arrival, since the 11/12 season, LFC's league finishes have been: 8th, 7th, 2nd, and 6th. The last trophy won was the League Cup in the 11/12 season under Kenny Dalglish.
Before Pep's arrival, since the 11/12 season, Man City's finishes have been: 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd and 4th.
Liverpool hadn't won the league in the whole of the Premier League era since 1992, aka the best part of 30 years. Man City were PL champions 2 out of the 5 seasons before Pep arrived. Every club's struggles are relative. Liverpool not winning the league in over 30 years was deemed a failure, hence why they were struggling before Klopp worked his magic.
Both are quality managers, but Klopp edges it for me. Or, at least until Pep goes to a club that hasn't won a league in 20/30 years and takes them to the top. So far in his career, he hasn't done that.
I wouldn't exactly say Barcelona were the top club, real have always been the big dog
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If Pep had to sell KDB to buy Ederson & Diaz then we can talk.
What you mean is, you'd like to see Pep not win because you're tired of him dominating. Why would he join a struggling club? Which manager does that by choice? Klopp didn't pick Mainz to prove himself to people with nonsensical narratives like yourself, it was the best job he could get at the time. Top clubs want top managers.
Pep is the type to go to Juventus, improve their style of play and continue dominating the league. Klopp is the type to go Napoli, transform the club and win them their first Serie A in decades. Nuff said
What we Know about Pep is that was given every team he managed but we do not know if he could go to the likes Juventus and do the same sort of thing.
We will have to wait and see when he leaves city at some point and probably will go for a job like that.
Mourinho was given every team he had and when he came to Utd which required building he could not do it.
@@bighands69 Mourinho would've done it, if they'd let him do it. But they didn't, United's board is as confused as a fat kid with a bowl of salad...
That just made pep sound like any other ok manager who comes in and plays his own way like any manager does. He’s that’s not what he does.
Maurizio Sarri almost did that with Napoli, they gave Juve a close run for the title at one point
Serious talk that.
"Klopp was the one who taught Germans how to play football quickly" - Franz Beckenbauer
Lets not forget that jordan henderson was treated like the harry maguire of today (without the massive price tag)
Klopp has turned him into a captain more than worthy of stevie's armband
Jordan Henderson on the same level as Steven Gerrard???? Are you smoking crack????
@@lukebooker9040 Definitely crack Steven Gerrard didn't even have the players Henderson has today imagine losing midfielders and strikers every season and your team getting weaker Steven Gerrard went through some serious mental health issues with the teams he was in
@@lukebooker9040 No one said that, rather that he has turned into a captain worthy of taking over Gerrard armband.
Henderson most succesfull Liverpool captain of all time
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Before Klopp took over, Liverpool were losing 6-1 to Stoke City and always finishing outside of the top 4. Playing in the champions league was a dream, never mind winning the premier league or other trophies. You might say, what about 2013/14? But we all know it was just Suarez going supernova and dragging us to a title we didn’t deserve to win anyway.
Klopp has made Liverpool the best team in the world through excellent recruitment, shrewd tactics, incredible player development and by instilling a mentality and sheer belief to win. The things we see this Liverpool team doing right now is something we couldn’t even dream of before he joined the club. This Liverpool team is genuinely on the verge of winning the quadruple, with the last couple of weeks of the season to go. This is unprecedented!
Guardiola on the other hand has made a premier league winning team more consistent and better. I would argue Klopp could’ve done the same there, but could Guardiola emulate Klopp’s success at Liverpool? Highly doubt it!
Really?, you would argued Klopp could have ultimately dominating the EPL by winning it 4 times out of 5 if he were to be City’s gaffer? If so why, then has he won it only once thus far for the 6years or so he has been managing Liverpool with pretty much good budget and spending though not equal to City’s? You think the EPL is such an easy and straightforward competition? If is was, why did it have to take Liverpool 30years to win it once, and Klopp 6years to win it once?
Yes City was a premier league winning side before Pep arrived but remember the season before he arrived, they were trophy less and didn’t made it top-four to qualify for the UCL. Both Pellegrini & Mancini won the EPL for City, but remember none of them won it back-to-back and none of them dominated the EPL as Pep did.
Bear in mind that, save Sir Alex Ferguson, no Premier Manager has dominated the EPL as Pep has done thus far especially considering the way he has done it and continues doing it his way and style: i.e, the Tiki-Taka, possessive, fluid and constant attacking play which hitherto was foreign and rare in English football, except for a season or two under Arsene Wenger with Arsenal. Matter of fact, Pep made the Premier league looks so easy especially with his style of play, something which many English football fans and “anti”-Pep use to think it wasn’t possible in England taking into account how physical, pacey and rigid the English football generally is.
And dude, I am even astonished how you Liverpool fans have been day-dreaming that City will not win the league title after passing the so-called Wolves & West Ham tests?? A win over Aston Villa for City at home is not far-fetched at all, not to talk of Real Madrid also as having an equal chance of beating Liverpool to the UCL title come 28th May. Hence, your wishful thinking of Liverpool winning the quadruple is just a figment of the imagination of you Liverpool fans, both in the English media and across Liverpool region. 💯👌🏽🤔
@@abdurrahimwhytea.zanyoh8833 When did you start supporting Manchester City?
@@pappy374 in my opinion he started watching EPL from last year 😂
@@abdurrahimwhytea.zanyoh8833 Pep took over the clubs which are already have stars and already won Trophies with same team with previous managers of the clubs (Barcelona, Bayern, Man. City). and if you see Klopp's career then he started with Mainz whom he promoted from 2nd Division to Bundesliga, then took charge of Dortmund he make them league winners twice in a row (one of those 2 years he won a double as well) that's the last time Dortmund won the league btw, then in 2016 he joined Liverpool with an average team struggling for European Place at that time he make them challengers in a limited budget then in 7 years he has all the major Trophies available in England and Guardiola even though had more Trophies than Klopp he has the luxury in terms of his teams, their players and their transfer budget. So if Guardiola have this type of limited Budget that Klopp had over the years in different teams then he couldn't able to achieve what he achieved throughout his career because he needs huge budget.
And Kid you're talking about domination of managers and thinking Sir Alex Ferguson is the only manager who dominated EPL then you didn't know there is a record of Bob Paisley 20 Trophies in 9 years and Fergi took 26 years to win 38 trophies.
@@abdurrahimwhytea.zanyoh8833 took klopp 4 years to win the league btw not 6
Both are absolutely world class managers, no doubt. For me it’s Klopp because:
- he has the ability to even transform alleged medicore players (Matip, Henderson …) and give them an important role in the squad
- he transformed players with potential into world class players (Salah, Mane, TAA …)
- he has literally rebuilt Liverpool (look at the squad and starting 11 when he took over) and brought Liverpool back to Europe’s elite after winning the PL, FA Cup and the UCL
- apart from his sporting achievements, he created a very special aura/atmosphere within the club but especially between the club and the fans (doesn’t mean that other managers aren’t generating similar but not in Klopp’s way)
Nevertheless, Guardiola still might be the most versed and deep-thinking manager in the world.
Fraudiola flopped against Madrid not the first time when it mattered.
@@ppate8 Yep
@@ppate8 lmaao doesnt make sense... when city lose its cuz of the manager, when they win its because of the players. that don't make any sense buddy
@@alexwang2252 This manager likes certain types of players you do know that. He could never coach a team to be defensive like Don Fabio Capello
have you not seen the players pep has transformed into world class players Sterling, cancelo, Foden, Rodri, Dias, bernardo and mahrez yhh mahrez was already very good at leicester but when he came to city he's become a beast like look at the stuff mahrez has done for city he's been an absolute goat
I'm a Liverpool fan, and I genuinely think it's Klopp because he elevated all three clubs way above the position they were in when he took over, and he seems to sprinkle magic dust on players that they often don't carry with them when they leave him. He has taken players like Lewandowski and Alexander Arnold, and countless others, from being nobodies to the very top.
In defense of Guardiola though, he has changed the way football plays and it irritates the hell out of me when people say he needs to play at a struggling club to prove himself, and that his achievements at Barcelona are only down to Messi etc. He made some very bold decisions in his early days at Barca, got rid of some big names, and in both CL finals he started EIGHT academy players. By any metric, with or without Messi, that is absolutely sensational. He won the first six trophies available to him in management. Will that ever happen again? I doubt it. I would have liked him to come to England and take a sleeping giant, like maybe Arsenal at the time, just like Klopp did, just like Ten Haag is about to do, but anyone who can't see his quality clearly doesn't know much about football. Money doesn't always equal success. Just look at Solskjaer, or PSG. Even Mourinho's success at Chelsea, with huge financial backing, was limited and didn't bring a CL.
These two are clearly the best in the business but it's Klopp for me. I wouldn't even think about trading.
Pep has 30 titles vs Klopp's 11 titles. The money argument doesnt matter since Klopp couldnt manage a team like PSG anyways. His whole philosophy is built upon 11 chasing players, and you wont get that from superstars. Pep will have a far greater legacy when he retires. His Barca team is probably the best team in history. Its just recency bias that they get compared, cuz they're actually miles apart as of now.
@@mangekyosharingan5052 Recency bias? For you, perhaps. The rest of us remember Klopp breaking Bayern's monopoly on the Bundesliga in 2011 & 12, a feat which has only been enhanced by Bayern winning ten titles in a row since. They also appeared in the CL final in 2013, and haven't gotten close to it since.
I also remember there being talk of City having an invincibles season in 2017/18 until they came to Anfield and were dismantled by a team that still contained players like Karius and Lovren. That same team walloped City 3-0 in the CL shortly after and beat them at the Etihad too, prolonging City's wait for the trophy. Come to think of it, there is only a one-point difference between Klopp and Guardiola in the league over the last four seasons. They are very much both at the top of the game. The runner up totals are miles ahead of what used to win the league.
If you think Klopp not being able to stack up the same amount of trophies at Dortmund and walking into the mess he found at Liverpool, while Guardiola was collecting trophies at Bayern and City, two teams that were already well established champions, then I don't know what to tell you.
@@mangekyosharingan5052 No genuine footy fan would question Pep's class nor the quality of the City team's football. Both are world class. To say, however, that the money argument doesn't matter is non-sensical. It's a huge 'what if' of course re Pep because he hasn't taken on a 'project' team that hasn't got as much money as Barca of old and City of new. Both swimming in it. As for legacy, if you asked most neutrals who weren't dazzled by the cash most may well opt for Klopp as he has done it at three separate teams and with significant trophy success at Dortmund and Liverpool - disrupting the monopoly of two financial behemoths in the process.
Like Mourinho and Ancelotti Pep has simply walked into a well oiled (!!!!) machine and added his not insignificant nous.
Klopp has rebuilt institutions, from the bottom up, and won evreything there is to win with LFC. Pep with the greater legacy you say, has still to win the UCL with the most expensive team in the history of sport. Throw in personality, passion and humour and there is only one winner for me.
@@mangekyosharingan5052 hard work beats talent all day everyday. I’d rather hardworking players rather than superstars with egos. Look at psg and Manchester United
@@goaaal8657 but superstars also work hard to be at that level. You sound like they woke up one day and became superstars. 🙄🙄
Klopp 100%. Took two clubs who were 13th and 10th to big titles with low net spends compared to Pep's teams. Man City won leagues with Pelligrini and Mancini, they just spend big. Pep has failed to win a Champions League for 11 seasons now and his teams have been beaten by much lesser sides in most cases. Pep takes over teams who will spend big or been champions the previous year. Had Klopp taken the easy route like him he'd have won the lot many times over.
Agree 100%
31 trophies pep has won, so u telling me klopp > saf?
@@lmfao6530 Never mentioned SAF although Klopp did win the league and champions league quicker than he did at Man U and had already won 2 leagues in a tough league before he arrived. Fergie didn't face clubs spending half a billion either. Pep did well at Barcelona with a very gifted group of players but since then has just gone to the rich clubs in each league, and still can't win a Champions League with them. When he takes over clubs in mid-table like Klopp did and wins them big trophies then he can be compared but we all know he won't. That's why he gets so triggered, he will be known as a manager who takes jobs where he gets to spend the most money or who had already won leagues in the recent past.
@@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 yaya toure curse it seems 👻 and Barca was struggling a bit but then pep came in and won sextuple with them, PSG and Man U have spend more but still can’t get closer to our levels cuz pep is a tactical genius and most of our player were unknown and not really good until thye came in to Man City and pep developed them like Kdb who was a flop
@@lmfao6530 Like I said he did a good job at Barca but those players were some of the greatest players in history. He hasn't been outspent by any team since he came in. Mancini and Pelligrini won titles with City and neirher are world class. He is a good coach no doubt but what Klopp has achieved is far greater given Dortmund were nowhere when he arrived and Liverpool were 10th with no league title in 25 years when he joined. Pep had a far better squad to work with from day one and City's net spend is about 5 times what Liverpool's has been. Even Everton have spent around the same as Liverpool.
Pep has revolutionised the English game but has benefitted from a virtually endless financial backing. Klopp has saved Liverpool from the abyss, bringing them to a higher level than they have every been at with far less money
That’s a lie!! Why u lying? Revolutionised ohh please fergie 10 times better don’t talk rubbish on here!!
Nobody plays like city in England, Arsenal played a controlling game since wenger
It all borders on the football philosophy of both coaches. Klopp believes in building players and not so much on spending while Guardiola prefers identifying and bringing on board what suits his system of player. If club is looking for immediate results and they have the finances, then Guardiola is the right fit, but if the club has mediocre financial backing and want Long term results, then Klopp is the right man.
Actually their spending is not that much different, believe it or not. Klopp has only (I say "only" lol) spent 79.4m less than Guardiola on Players since they have both been at Man City and Liverpool, respectively, which is not much by modern standards and considering how much the Transfer Market has gone nuts.
@@neovarleydownes9109 Klopp has funded transfer by selling other players. Pep hasnt
Definitely Klopp. He gets players that are under the radar of other clubs and turns them into world-beaters. Jota, Robertson and Salah, for example.
Sane, sterling, cancelo, zinchenko, delph, foden, rodri, Pedro,busquet, pique,iniesta, xavi, keita, thiago, diaz etc add the rest yourself
Klopp shows his players so much love openly when they deliver he is like a proud father watching over his boys long may he stay at anfield he reminds me so much of shankly ynwa
Klopp could have taken City and done as well as Pep.
I doubt Pep could have done with Liverpool as much as Klopp has.
For me Pep dont fit for liverpool, he have a totally wrong vipe around him and his manager/football style.
As for Klopp we all knew it that he would end up in liverpool someday.
I actually think klopp would crumble under the pressure of spending money. When u have a massive budget it is not easy. Every signing is judged. There’s no judgment on Liverpool signings. Pep handles it better and he doesn’t really suit Liverpool just like klopp doesn’t suit city.
Facts only
@@giyogiyo3907 lol pressure of being a chequebook manager cmon now
@@giyogiyo3907 Jürgen Klopp has won the league with Liverpool, and you think having a blank cheque book would be too much pressure to handle?
obviously Klopp, just look at the Liverpool team he took over and what he's managed to achieve by spending within his means. Won Liverpool their first English title in 30 years and on the cusp of a second European cup. Not to mention that the last non bayern team to win the bundesliga was his Dortmund side...
If pep went to liverpool under that budget we had I don't think he would done of well but if Jurgen went to city he would of won champions league and premier leagues
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Facts.
Deluded.
So u r liverpool fan
Exactly 💥
Klopp a million times, not even a question, and it's not because I'm a Liverpool fan. One of the many reasons why Klopp is better than Pep is his ability not to crumble when it gets on top, in regards to big name signings going out and big name signings coming in; long gone are the days were we struggled to replace Suarez and even Sterling, when I was predicting an absolute shipwreck and it sadly came true. Coutinho left and I thought Klopp's too nice with these players, he's not got a bad bone in his boy, but quickly I realised that it's not him lacking a back bone, he's a strict disciplinarian, as proved by Sakho leaving, due to him turning up late to training and him possibly interrupting a press conference with Klopp, when he was arguably our most valuable centre back at the time.
As I said with Coutinho, due to him leaving, I thought it's only a matter of time when Real Madrid or Barca come scrounging each and every summer, I also thought we can't ever get to how good we was back then. With the players coming in, I thought Virgil and Alisson were extremely overpriced, but they was good players, but wouldn't have a game changing affect like Coutinho had, boy was I wrong. Alisson, in his debut season, stopped in the dying minutes a crucial Napoli shot, which I'm still flabbergasted at till this day, which if we drew or lost, we wouldn't have won the Champions League, that same season. And I don't need to say anything in regards to Virgil; he's not just a Rolls Royce, he's a Lamborghini, Porsche, Ranger and Land Rover, Mercedes. BMW and other prestigious motoring companies, mixed into one; Maldini said "he'll be the best ever defender", and other centre backs would verify and agree with him.
Alisson and Virgil, to this day, is in my opinion, the best signings we've made in the Premier League. Also, the playmaking abilities of Coutinho hadn't probably been replaced, I thought we've merely transitioned, then Thiago came in and the rest is history, I don't think I've seen a better player than Thiago ever in a Liverpool shirt, and yes I'm including Suarez. Now to the other 'big' players leaving in Can and Wijnaldum, I personally thought Can was our best central midfielder we had at the time and Wijnaldum, though we had replaced him, was still a major loss, but yet again I had my doubts on them leaving, we've improved collectively and inclusively. Can is playing with Dortmund and Wijnaldum is struggling to make the PSG team.
Whereas Pep, although he's utterly world class, would buy players, on big sums of cash and wages, and wouldn't replace them. Like we saw him splashing £50m on fullbacks and a Chilean goalkeeper, in which he didn't sell him when he bought Ederson. That's why Klopp came from the rubble, he's created a team full of warriors, who would die for the cause, and if one player doesn't show the gegenpressing and hard rock style of play, then he's gone, but that's the thing, non of the players integrated into the squad show any sign of fragility and lack of discipline. I can agree with what Lineker said, I don't think we're ever going to get over Klopp leaving, may be not ever, Klopp's changed our mindset and our determination to win. I thought Dortmund, when they gave him a big send off, was unnecessarily overpowering, seeing as they finished in a low position that season, but I can humbly admit, I take my hat off to Dortmund supporters, and I was wrong. There probably won't be another man, not even generational managers, who've not been born yet, who could achieve what he's achieved at Liverpool.
You wrote 3 paragraphs on Klopp and his style and personality and signings, and then 2 sentences on Pep to just say "he spent lots of money on full backs". Come on, this is the most biased assessment I've ever seen.
@@matthewchampion8214 I don't get what's the issue, even die hard City fans will agree with me. Prove me wrong, in detail?
@@abdulhaakim8140 You don't see the issue with such a one sided assessment? Really? So if I wrote 3 paragraphs on why I thought Pep was better and then chucked in at the end "Klopp has only won 1 PL whereas Pep has more so he's better", you'd be satisfied that my argument wasn't extremely biased?
You wrote an essay on why Klopp is better than Pep but reduced Pep's career to a footnote. There is literally no point in having a discussion with someone who is this biased against Pep.
@@abdulhaakim8140 lol prove you wrong in detail? not everybody has the time or interest to write a whole essay for a youtube comment section debate. i don't agree with you at all but I'm also not gonna write an essay explaining it. i think they are pretty even managers, idrc if people think one is slightly better than the other, its like picking between messi or ronaldo. you cant really go wrong picking either, its just a matter of style. But its stupid to say a million times better, because that's clearly not the case.
i don’t get why you use peps spending to discount his ability as manager? Everton fulham and man united are perfect examples of how hard it is to spend money and translate that into results. Pep has a 75% win in the league, the level of consistency has never been seen before …
As a MC fan i would say Klopp is better because he built a medicore team to one of the best in England and took Liverpool to CL final 3 times.
as a liverpool fan its pep end of klopp 1 prem 7 years
@@MathewSimonGospel I am unbiased even though I am admirer of MC style of play.
@@ma466 are u an admirer or mc fan lol, i feel those r different
Liverpool wasn't a Medicare team. In fact Liverpool won 2 CL without winning PL in the 30 years.
Winning a struggling club their first league title on a limited budget when for me as a Liverpool fan who had never seen them do it it felt cursed especially after 2008/9 and 2013-14 is so much more to me then pep coming in and doing what city had already been doing for the past 7-8 years before, there has to be something said for Klopp breaking Liverpools premier league duck I don’t think there’s more then 1 or 2 other people who could have done that on his budget
Half a billion quid in 5 years is a limited budget?
U must rate Ranieri very highly then
@@sk0nz was that meant to be an argument to discredit klopp? Wasn’t a very good one pal
@@iPro3million Well comparatively it is a small budget isn’t it ? In the last 10 years City have spent the most of any club at 1.38 billion, Chelsea have spent 1.33 billion, Utd have spent 1.24 billion, Arsenal are the 9th largest spenders at 890mil, and Liverpool aren’t even in the top 10😂 so yeah relatively speaking he doesn’t have unlimited amounts of money and is on a budget if Liverpool don’t even break into the top 10 clubs for spending over that time and yet he’s still managed to produce a squad who is seen as competing and better the a lot of the teams in that top 10
@@safwaanali5727 UTD have spent more than City and have two cups to show for it
My opinion could be biased but it's Klopp by a mile. If I were to trust any random team in the world not knowing the finance they could afford, I can 100 percent trust Klopp to bring the best bang for the buck with that exact team and get them playing a certain type of football with discipline and work ethic. His man management and transformation of average players to extraordinary personalities on and off the pitch is second to none. Knowing that he can never pull a 100M Grealish just for the heck of it, spending available money extremely wisely, squeezing absolutely everything from the team to exceed all expectations, work in a tough league against the greatest tactician in modern football; what else do you need to claim Klopp is the best?
Maybe he could manage the Indian national team next.
City was winning before Pep. He has failed to win the CL so he is on the same level as Manchini and Pellegrini. Klopp has taken a club that was struggling to win a league title and he got them one. That one title holds more weight than the ones Pep managed to win.
@Ess 41 But Pep only works with superstars. The club is owned by oil barons and they can get who they want. He's not going to get an Andy Robertson or Joel Matip and turn them into world-beaters.
I really rate Guardiola. I think he's underachieved in regards to the Champions League, but there are a very small number of occasions where City or Bayern played really poorly whilst he was there. I don't think he needs to prove he can do it at a club with a smaller budget, but I genuinely believe he'd exceed expectations. I think he's a football genius in the truest sense, and is one of the greatest managers of all time. But with all that being said, I'd still just about go for Klopp. He's produced more than any Liverpool fan dreamed of expecting before he took over. The club had that 'dismal' sort of feeling before he took over, and he's transformed them into a team that's been setting records. Almost every single player that has played under him has gotten better under his leadership, and he's just a fun guy to watch on the sidelines and after the games fist-bumping the crowd, and gives great interviews...there's everything to like about this guy and that is why I think he slightly edges it for me.
Peps arrogance cost him the CL
@@mikedon5205 arrogance? When has Pep been arrogant? Oh and btw he has 2 UCLs already...
@@Andrew-jj6er last year v chelsea decided he was so superior he didn't need a defensive midfielder his team were going to take Chelsea apart with goals that arrogance cost his team in the final by the time he put it right it was too late
Well aware he won with barca and Messi.
I was talking man City
@@mikedon5205 winning with Messi is easy lol. Messi scored 91 goals in a single year once
I disagree with your first part of the statements, City, Bayern had a good managers even before Pep came into picture..
Thanks Gary for pointing out that Pep has spent significantly more money than Klopp, cos Micah being Micah wanted to brush that aside by saying 'they've both spent money'. Klopp didn't really spend big until his second year when he bought VVD in Jan then Alisson and Fabhino in the summer and that was after the 150m sale of Coutinho.
They don't make the signings. They don't negotiate the fees. They don't even get to pick the players. Pep wanted VVD before Liverpool signed him and City refused him. Also, Klopp deserves no credit for Bartomeu being stupid (or worse) enough to pay that kind of money for Coutinho. None of this has anything to do with the quality of the managers.
Exactly. Imagine Pep having to sell KDB to buy Ederson & Diaz, not forgetting Pep bought a few keepers & defenders before getting it right. Klopp had 1 attempt at getting it right.
@@Sheepwillbesheep cuz KDB is comparable to Coutinho?
Cuz the money that Liverpool got from Barça cannot be considered like money spent or what? Pep also sold Sane to Bayern, sold Ferran this year to Barça and will probably sell Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal. All that Market stuff doesn’t have anything to do with the managerial stuff etc… Pep makes average players becoming better, makes very good players becoming even more better players, who will tell me he has seen for example KDB a better player in a kind of level he’s been under Pep?
@@abdallaharafat88 in terms of what money he would generate from the sale yes
For me it's obviously Klopp. Don't get me wrong, Pep is an amazing manager. However, he hasn't really shown us what he can do when it's a club that can't offer players whatever they want in wages. Like they said, Man City already had changed and brought in big name players and won the league under Pellegrini and Mancini. So we knew the players were there and were able to win titles. Yes, he made the team better and swapped out players but I still need to see Pep really challenging himself. Try Everton and see how that works out.
Klopp arrived at a club that hadn't won the league in 25 years and started building his team. Bringing in cheaper options when selling the star players. Now won every trophy he can with this team and they are still going.
Please explain to me who the big name players Pep has brought in? I’m tire of hearing this, Mahrez was probably the only established star Pep bought since coming to City. You guys are just too lazy to think so you keep coming up with the same money argument. Just because City do a good job of scouting players who fits their system you automatically bring up the money argument. Main while Klopp has bought even more established players, Like VVD, Mane, Salah, and Allison.
@eddie chea all the players Klopp has brought in we’re bought for the money he sold players with,klopp net spend is so much less than Peps
@@eddiechea3603 I didn't say stars but sure. Laporte, Sterling, De Bruyne, Bernardo Silva, Stones, Rodri, Grealish, Walker to name a few.
All well known players.
Of course, Grealish was very expensive and hasn't really hit the ground running and now also Haaland on the way. Not super expensive but high wages.
My point is more that Pep points and says "I want that player! Make it happen!" and they bring in the player at nearly any cost. If it doesn't work out then nevermind. They go again. That's why City has such a huge net spend.
And like I said, he took over a title winning team with Aguero, Silva, Kompany etc. The team was already amazing.
@@Kajerman Pep didn’t buy De Bruyne or Sterling but he definitely improved their game. Most of the players you named were not names that were known world wide the minute City goes and get them everyone assume they were stars.
@@Kajerman who has Pep bought that didn’t workout? Plus the team that Klopp took over came in 2nd in the premier league under Brendan Rogers the season before, they lost the title on the last day of the season if I’m not mistaken.
Micah “both spent money” what a stupid point
and it's wrong. He won CL with a net spend of 0 that season.
One has spent wayyyyyyyy more.
He speaks with blue tinted glasses
@@user-xx7tv7cc1y cuz Salah, Mane, Firminho etc… came from the academy?
@@abdallaharafat88 they were already there. im talking about the spending that happened in the windows before the CL win. Klopp hasn't spent that much money. net spend since he's been at liverpool is in the 200m region which means the owners have only had to invest 200m in 7 years. Which is obscene for a team that is as successful as they are. Pep has a net spend of 600m since Klopp joined liverpool.
When other clubs said about building a team, they always referred to Liverpool-Klopp as an example, no one referred to Man City-Guardiola.
Great point!
I’m an evertonian so naturally I have absolutely 0 love for liverpool fc but to me there isn’t a debate klopp is streets ahead. This isn’t a way to slag off pep he’s still a top manager but klopp is a different level all together
Klopp is a better manager. Guardiola is a better coach
Love u bro well said 😘💕🤗❣️❤️💗
Both incredible manager's, and despite maybe being biased as a Liverpool fan, I'd say the achievements of Klopp are probably greater. Guardiola is as good a coach, I don't think you could split the two on that, but in terms of the scale of their achievements it would be Klopp for the following reasons:
1. Klopp won 2 Bundesliga titles with Dortmund in a league where their wealth was dwarfed by Bayern. Dortmund have not won the league since he left. Bayern kept taking Klopp's best players - Lewandowski, Gotze etc.
2. Klopp took over Liverpool at a time when we were very average. Our squad in 2015 was poor. Pep took over at City when they'd already had fortunes spent on it and were littered with world class players. Klopp has then won the title against City - who have over the course of the last 7-10 years - spent far more than Liverpool, and run them close and lost by a single point the season before (and could lose again by a single point this season unless Villa do a job on City on the final day).
3. Klopp has won the Champions League at Liverpool, Pep has not done so yet at City.
At the end of the day, this isn't really a criticism of Pep, he is an unbelievable manager and has changed how football is played, but if we are simply talking about the scale of their respective achievements, I'd have to say it's Klopp. In Germany he faced the wealth and might of Bayern, and overturned that and in England he's faced the superior wealth of City, Utd and Chelsea and overturned all of them too,
pep:
1. more bundesliga titles
2. more champions leagues
3. more premier league titles
and on point with the Lewis - Mercedes comparison, pep has earned the reputation and deserves to be in top clubs
Likewise, I feel Klopp raised a family while Pep raised a company. I'll leave that for you all to choose between that.
To conduct a fair experiment, you have to keep everything else constant and have one variable. Let's just say Pep and Klopp took turns to manage all 20 EPL teams, and you ran the league over and over again, and averaged the points. I think Klopp would have the better results. Even if you could argue that Pep would do better at City, it's hard to argue that he would do better at Watford or Wolves. Thus, if the measure of a manager is what he can do given the same resources, Klopp is the better manager. 😁
Good take on that, but sounds like one for fifa youtubers 😆
It's already proven that klopp can transform an mediocre side into a diamond. Gordiola hasn't shown that and probably never will coz doesn't need to or want to.
God the Liverpool brigade don't look past there noses!
Is your cult of a club even aware Pep won two Champions Leagues at Barcelona with seven players who came from the academy?
Gerard Piqué was bought back for a bargain fee.
The finals against United with seven players from the academy: zero cost. You can win with different squads, different players and different situations. There is no guarantee.
What Pep guarantees is success as evidenced by both managers trophy counts.
Peps the best and its not even close.
@@philc1773 I think it's very close between Pep and Klopp. Most would at least say so, no matter who shades it. The fact that you say it's not even close shows that you're the one who is biased 🤣
@@philc1773 tf you on about... busquets was the only promoted player when pep took over barcelona first team, almost all of your 7 academy players were already established first team players or were on the verge of becoming a regular. Even despite his squad, he nearly spent 90mil in his first season.
He inherited a pretty good squad, that were underperforming with rjikaard in charge of them. He brought in a few players who would go on to become barca legends (busquets, Alves, pique) but the main core of that legendary barca squad were already there before pep took the job.
Fine I'll say it because I'm not biased and support neither side. Klopp. He's progressed his side more than Pep has improved City. So Klopp all day long.
100%
Pep is a fraud, get him managing spurs and you’ll see
Yea that's what people who watch Football news and memes would say .
Explain how this is not progress :?
Zinchenko u know him ? A mid folder . Made into LB . City don't have an officiall left back right now . Cancelo Walker naturally RBs , Zin Midfielder .
Pep Transforms players . Pep makes everyone better , Manchester City are right now MD 37 top of the table without an official LB . Zin is LB now but being transformed by Pep .
City don't have an striker except Jesus, but again if you watch the games Jesus strikes better and plays better at wings than as a center forward . Ake played LB and has done the job, he played in UCL QF as a LB against ATM and City got a away clean sheet with him . John Stones coveres as a right back , have seen the 4-3 at the Etihad , City v Madrid .Who played RB ? John Stones and later Fernandinho. I can give u more and more examples .
One last example the 100 points season 17/18 CITYs LB , can u name him . It's Fabian Delph mate , a mid filder and we took 100 points with him playing LB .
Klopp is great no arguments there . But Pep just buying players and enjoyin the time is nonsence . Instead of just sayin nonsense about pep better watch some games.
I'm a Liverpool supporter and I think they are both the greatest managers we have seen in top flight football !!
I feel they both need each other because they are still learning from each other and tweaking their teams to beat and win against each other !!
This a great rivalry and we should respect it and enjoy it because this will not come again!!
And saying that you look at chelsea and tottenham managers who are very good as well this league is going to be even better !!
Surely has to be Klopp. The way he grows players beyond even what they would have thought is just something Pep hasn't done.
Yeah sure, when Guardiola took the helm of the first team, Barcelona had been through two trophy-less seasons and, in the opinion of the new man, it was not a lack of talent that was the root cause. “The team has been through a time when not everybody was as professional as they should have been,” Pique, Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi, Valdez, Dani Alves, Seydou Keita were all household names before Pep, great unbias take there mate. Lets also ignore the man's trophies in England since he came, 4 PL titles in 5yrs LOL, but go on...
@@Mdumpero 4 prems is good and all but no champions league. And again no one is doubting pep’s brilliance. But obviously klopp is just a better all round manger. In terms of growing players, managing them, the style of play and the work rate. Now depending on the board, if a team is looking for straight away immediate results and they have the financial gains to back up the manger then pep is the man. But pep could not do what klopp has done and take an average team and make them compete with the big dogs. And klopp as well I think is smarter tactically in big games than pep. Both exceptional mangers but klopp does just as good a job as pep and more. And pep even admits that he could never take a small club and make them big, because he can only manage big players are hungry for trophies now. Klopp builds apon players (average players, some no ones heard of) and build their character up and make them world class
@@marktorrens4543 pep's barcelona resume alone is bigger than klopps. His way also helped spain win a world cup and 2 euro championship. Barca had 2 trophy less seasons before pep became the manager. 3 la ligas and 2 champions leagues with a sextuple in four years. Three league and cup doubles at bayern in three seasons and 4 epl titles in 5 years in epl. Thats 10 league titles and 2 champions leagues in about 13 years where he was away from the game for a year.
Don't forget what kind of players Pep created.
@@marktorrens4543 Pep has more trophies and more experience this isn't even a debate, guardiola has already elevated more world class players let's not get started, klopp is still an amateur his not even better than jose mourinho more trophies remember
When you look at how Klopp has transformed very average players into absolute world class ones ... no other manager has done it like that
no other manager? thats insanely supid lol
Guardiola with Zinchenko
@@57mykz not world class at all
@@spa2damax gimme examples then?
The man said average players
The fact that not even one of these three pundits had the courage to choose either Pep or Klopp is ridiculous. Instead they stay on the fence and say they're both level or whatever....its Klopp by a mile, its a modern day miracle that he's turned Liverpool into a team that not only competes with City under Pep but also is able to out perform them.
I knew lineker will side with pep and brought a bunch of yes men but Klopp has been more phenomenal and given the state of Liverpool before he joined, he took a challenge which pep will never take and succeeded. In my books he’s the better manager
Lol of course he would. He’s still sour over that 2019 semifinal where he overcelebrated Barcas win in the 1st leg and then Liverpool went on and kicked his personal favourite Messi out of the competition.
And your clearly a Liverpool fan. I mean people see things how they see it. No one should judge opinions and one of them yes men is a better footballer then anyone that will ever play at Liverpool
@@TheWefikus the way he worships Messi is infuriating
@@hellhound9362 I’m not a Liverpool fan and they didn’t have anything tangible to offer to the argument, they were basically saying yes to everything lineker said and Salah is better than shearer. I respect their opinion but it doesn’t make it right, every reasonable football fan can see how and why Klopp is a better manager
Lineker is a 🔔-end of epic proportions, whilst Richards is about as intelligent and insightful as a lobotomised zombie after they've been imbibing/inhaling substances they shouldn't have been for many years.
Klopp for sure. The money he spent was brought by the sale of the star man Coutinho, remember that. He doesn't have a 100 m player like Grealish to come off from the bench, he doesn't have the luxury like Pep. Pep can waste 100 m but with Klopp that would never have happened. He won 2 Bundesliga titles beating the great Bayern and taking Dortmund to the UCL final. Pep can think that only in dreams. If Pep was given Minamino, he would have left the club the next day. He can't operate with limited funds. Klopp has the option to go to Bayern and Madrid in the future; Pep doesn't have these options anymore. I genuinely believe Klopp will win more things with more teams and end up winning the world cup with Germany someday. His name will be etched in history and I am not a Liverpool fan even.
Klopp will (hopefully) never go to Munich!
@@klaqua Never say never in football, that is what I have learned seeing this game. I saw managers managing clubs that they previously had said were never an option.
Klopp builds teams and winners, spendiola buys them
you can't have pep's success on the pitch just because you have money to buy good players. you have to compell them to run and execute your vision. pep does this better than most anyone alive. it ain't just money.
@@tryfryingmikejones i think more importantly what people miss out on the obvious. which is if someone has a huge net worth, they are going to get the best investment adviser to help them, or if someone rich is being sued they are going to want the best lawyer. tteams don't just throw money at any manager because they are rich, they would obviously want one of the best if not the best. and if pep was doing a bad job he'd be fired like all the united managers
So why can’t Man U and PSG be the same like Man City? 😹 it’s Embarrassing comparing q manager with 31 trophies to a guy with 1 digit trophy counts
@@lmfao6530 Man Sh*itty
Serial Bottler
As a non-biased Utd supporter, it has to be Klopp for me.
Worst discussion ever.
BBC Sounds: "Who is the better manager - Jürgen Klopp or Pep Guardiola?"
Gary, Alan and Micah: "They're both great!"
LOL... they never attempted to take a side or answer the question.
They pay Shearer 390k and Lineker over a million a year when instead you could ask actual fans who frankly care more and have better knowledge. Id rather listen to them and football journalists than former players who can hardly string a sentence together.
@@dj71162 The BBC don't like intelligent, insightful people who know their own minds, and those who may ask difficult/awkward questions.
klopp no doubt. man is making average players compete with the best of the best. Klopp has made mane, diaz, fabinho, henderson into top class players while pep goes out and buys ready made players like grealish mahrez etc. but I do agree pep has had a bigger influence on football.
Who are these average players?
Average players? They made smart purchases but they are great players. Henderson is the only one on that list that you could argue was average but Klopp didn't give him his work ethic, that was the way he always played?
TAA, Robbo and Matip have also experienced tremendous growth under Klopp. They don’t have the same success under other managers imo.
Ready made players??
Lol, that's the bizzarest comparison i have ever heard.
Yea that's what people who just watch transfer news and memes would say .
Zinchenko u know him ? A mid folder . Made into LB . City don't have an officiall left back right now . Cancelo Walker naturally RBs , Zin Midfielder .
Pep Transforms players . Pep makes everyone better , Manchester City are right now MD 37 top of the table without an official LB . Zin is LB now but being transformed by Pep .
City don't have an striker except Jesus, but again if you watch the games Jesus strikes better and plays better at wings than as a center forward . Ake played LB and has done the job, he played in UCL QF as a LB against ATM and City got a away clean sheet with him . John Stones coveres as a right back , have seen the 4-3 at the Etihad , City v Madrid .Who played RB ? John Stones and later Fernandinho. I can give u more and more examples .
One last example the 100 points season 17/18 CITYs LB , can u name him . It's Fabian Delph mate , a mid filder and we took 100 points with him playing LB .
Klopp is great no arguments there . But Pep just buying players and enjoyin the time is nonsence . Instead of just sayin nonsense about pep better watch some games.
Could see Klopp going back to Germany and managing a 4th division squad for the fun of it
Pep took over a team that bought the league and continued to buy it. Yeah they look good doing it but they were already champions…
Klopp took a mediocre team, coached players to be better and sold some (Courtinho) to make the money to buy VVD and Allison and then they became champions of everything on a zero net spend!
Klopp… not even close, and I’m not even a Liverpool fan!!!
They weren’t mediocre, but they weren’t title challengers
bruh liverpool almost won the title in 2014 didnt know you could be mediocre and almost win a title
It's not that they were mediocre, but compared to the team that they are today? They were worse than mediocre.
det nempt,
Liverpool finished 6th the season before and were nose diving towards the relegation zone in 2015. Even Stoke beat them 6-1. They had lost Gerrard, Suarez and Sterling. They were nothing like the 2014 form.
Liverpool were getting worse.
@@lyndoncmp5751 you right bro i was just trying to get you riled up, haha, klopp replaced nearly every single player anyway and only kept a couple of the players that he started with like henderson and milner
I think it's harder and more pressure in a club like City where everyone are expecting you to win 5-0 all the time.
If Liverpool finishes top 3 in the league Klopp still has done a good job.
I think everyone expecting Pep to change the game, winning is not enough for him.
Both have a quality that only winners have , intense dedication on finding ways to get the best out of a team, to CONSISTENLY WIN .. no ifs or buts just looking for sollutions ..
these types reinvent, revolutionise and evolve the game .. Plus they are decent human beings ..
A good team can win trophy with an average manager, i.e. Chelsea and Di Mateo winning UEFA. An average team can't achieve same with an average manager. Mancity without Guardiola can still win the league but Liverpool without Klopp will not think about winning anything.
Ironically, you've just shown how dumb it is to always beat Pep with the "no CL at City" stick. Di Matteo spent 6 months at Chelsea and won the CL. Mourinho spent 5 years at Chelsea and 3 years at Real Madrid and didn't reach a single final at either club.
I'm no Liverpool fan but its Klopp by a country mile. Pep has only ever managed teams of stars and spent huge sums of money wherever he has been. He has never built a club like Klopp did at Mainz and how he rebuilt Liverpool.
Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in the world.
@@iandavis1723 they were barely finishing top 10 until then
@@iandavis1723 pep sucks
@@luissuarez7188 Liverpool have 6 champions leagues. They top 3 best teams in the world
yes by a country mile, thats why he is ahead a country mile in points and in trophies. lmao don't be a clown. they are the same level different styles different traits
Klopp def has the edge for me.. Better with fewer resources and also has the edge in big games.
If you want to smash averages teams 6-0 in the league then Pep would be better.
But if you wanna go away to a big club in the champions league and get the job done, Klopp is the guy.
Guardiola relies on world class players for success. However to get success with a modest squad, now that is truly great management. Think Mourinho with Porto, Clough with Forest, Ferguson with Aberdeen. The list goes on, in fact Klopp is on it as well for winning back to back Bundesliga and a CL final place with Dortmund.
U forgot to mention pl title and cl titles and 3rd final cl with Liverpool
@@ciaranbrown324 Yes thats impressive as well, but Liverpool are a top tier club anyway. I was talking more about smaller clubs.
@@dj71162 As a dortmund fan Klopp will always be a legend 🖤💛
@@ciaranbrown324 you also forget that he only has 5 or 6 trophies in his career. That’s about 3 seasons for Pep.
@@jprme7588 he almost got you guys relegated the last year haha
Let me just put it this way. Bayern had to take away Klopps best players in hummels gotze and Lewandowski to stop him. Pep buys superstars, klopp makes them. We all know deep down who the better coach is.
Thats a dumb comment because both coaches buy players quite regularly. Klopp has an entirely new squad since joining Liverpool. The only player that was there before Klopp is Henderson.
Id take pep any day
@@migscapo True, but Klopp's spending has been far less than Pep's. Pep would never take a DM on a free from Schalke (matip) or a relegated LB from Hull for 8. Instead, he'd shop at Juv for 60 mil. As far as VVD and Alisson are concerned, City wouldve let Pep sign those two without having to sell their main player in Coutinho. That's the difference.
I like how Lineker states straight away - yes Liverpool have spent money but not in the same league as Manchester City ….
Pep and Klopp are great managers … probably the best we’ll see for a long time… they have changed the way the English game is played …
Both managers have given the English game a blueprint to follow … pep with positional play… Klopp with systematic play and high energy football…
In fact Liverpool don’t get credit for their ownership and recruitment model in which many clubs are now adopting, such as Leeds, Brentford and Huddersfield to name a few … even Newcastle are going to adopt and are trying to lure Michael Edwards….
Klopp is 2 in 1..he can do everything PEP does but PEP can't do everything Klopp is capable of..it's just phenomenal, awesome,iconic,
Look at how Liverpool managed to beat Barcelona with 4-0 on 2nd leg at UCL semi-final. It was the most epic legendary comeback ever. And Liverpool were short of some key players, like Salah and Firmino, due to injuries. But Klopp and the team has done amazing job, and fans got to witness the impossible at Anfield.
1st Line up: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Shaqiri, Mane, Origi
Sub: Mignolet, Wijnaldum, Lovren, Gomez, Sturridge, Brewster, Woodburn
And then look at how Shitty managed to bottle it up against Real after leading the first leg :)
If we swap the managers. Klopp can certainly win the league and champions league with both Bayern and Man City. Can Pep achive what Klopp did with Liverpool and Dortmund???? Most definitely NO!
Certainly?
Please provide evidence to support your claim?
@@philc1773 i spoke with Pep the other day.
@@padirujaapang Let's stick to the facts:
Did he tell you he won two Champions Leagues at Barcelona with seven players who came from the academy!
Gerard Piqué bought back for a bargain fee..
The finals against United with seven players from the academy: zero cost.
The trophy count shows who is the best!
It's Pep and it's not even close.
Why are people acting like Pep changed Man City when they were winning titles and were richest club way before him?
Klopp has changed Liverpool, they were like Arsenal now - league position, budget, not having great squad and he won every trophy, broke many records.
Imagine a manager coming to Arsenal now and winning everything, that's what Klopp has done at Liverpool.
U really don’t know ball. He made city a feared team. Plus they had the oldest squad. They only won 2 titles while pep is making them compete in every competition. He’s made them a formidable force as a team. Ppl act like that city team was good they scraped 3rd place. Any other manager would not do what pep did at city no way.
@@giyogiyo3907 only baka dogs think like that
Look how long it took Klopp. You think that any other club would have given him that much time? You're deluded if you think that
@@nativeyo yes they would if they were as bad as Liverpool were before Klopp took over, and I find it funny you mention 'that much time', if you look closely on klopps progress during his tenure, overall its been an upward and positive progress from his first season, so no reason for the club owners to lose faith in him, if anything they were pleased with what he have achieved in transforming the club back to its glory days with such a short period. Plus Liverpool as club know they can't afford to keep changing managers like Chelsea or other clubs who have big resources to do so
@@devrsingh854 it wasn't that short and it's not like he didn't get any limitstions on who to sign. Give pep that much time with Liverpool and he'd accomplish just as much
At the end of the day Guardiola was in charge of arguably the best club side ever assembled Barcelona 2009 they won all six competitions they took part in and the amount of talent in that side will never be matched.
Lol
But Pep Guardiola did not build that 2009 Barcelona team. It was given to him. He clearly is a great coach that knows how to get teams to play football and if you give him the players he will make that team sing.
@@bighands69 biggest myth and clearly don't know your history. The season before Guardiola came in Barca were trophyless. Pep came in and kicked out arguably one of the greatest ever players to play the game in Ronaldinho as well as kick out Deco and promoted Busquets from the B-squad. They went on to win every trophy that they competed in that season and even after he left, only one manager out 4 won the UCL. To say this squad was given to him is extremely misleading and implied that anyone would have won which is also clearly not true
Imagine what Klopp would do with City’s money, there’s your answer.
I nearly think the money would be a hinderance to Klopp. Klopp seems at his best when his back is up against the wall and he has to find gems that he can mold.
@@kevinconway2965 Lies!
@@ojodavid7267 you can’t call someone’s opinion lies 🤣
@@kevinconway2965 I think there's a lot of sense in that comment . He often says he wants to have the chance to beat the best team , not "be" the best team . He's an incredible leader bringing people together . I'm not sure bringing in a ready made superstar/galactico type is for him . On a side note but a very personal one , my 2 yr old was diagnosed with leaukaemia a couple months back. He received a letter of support from Jurgen Klopp and I can see him saying the words as I read the letter through floods of tears. The man is an absolute icon. True meaning of the legend
i think the way pep plays and manages his team is better than klopps, i think give them both all the resources and pep does better as his playing style is better, pep couldn’t do what klopp does and klopp couldn’t do what pep does to his level
Great presenter host today. I like to see these discussions happening. Personally I believe Klopp is the better manager just because he’s pulled Liverpool out of a sort of decline and made them one of the best clubs in the world.
One thing to add apart from all other things being said here: Pep spent a lot on new players, but still had some amazing ones i.e. Aguero, KDB, Kompany, Silva etc who had/have been instrumental in his success. Klopp just has Firmino and Hendo (amazing captain but not an exceptional player), and still won everything.
He actually won everything that is there to win.
@@afrobian1 True. I should remove 'almost'
Before klopp started winning did he have, salah, mane, vvd,alisson, Robertson, taa, fabinho, oxlade, keita, firmino, this guy changed his full squad before he started winning, all because his players were cheap and peps where expensive you use that to judge? Klopp need money to be the best so stop talking like he didn't spend besides, both managers don't do the negotiations and make deals...
@@oludashesamuel2850
1. I never even said anything about how much he spent (let's not even talk about net spend, it's a futile exercise because klopp is far better, hands down).
2. I guess if you read my comment again you will realize I just added one more point in the list of other points ppl have written in previous comments.
@@oludashesamuel2850 klopp literally had to sell his best player to build this current squad! Imagine guardiola having to sell KDB...
The only reason why guardiola wins Prem is due to squad depth. Klopp got depth mid season while city was leading 14 points. And what did klopp do with that depth, FA✅, EFL✅, UCL"finals", EPL... Chasing city down till the last match day. Don't ever compare klopp to guardiola!
Anyone who knows football will say klopp! the belief he instills in his players is truly exceptional!
Definitely Klopp, doubt Pep could do the same if he had managed Liverpool when the club was mediocre with less spending power and brought the club to the level to what Klopp had achieved.
Klopp makes stars while Pep buys stars. What Klopp has achieved for Liverpool is nothing short of a miracle.
klopp traded his way from a hair clip to a castle, pep wouldn't have took the same job. klopp now eats from the same table as pep.
oh please for God's sake stop comparing other managers to Pep.. so u guys still can't see the unparalleled genius of this man... the level of consistency nd a major trophy to prove it every season.. the man has over 32 trophies for Christ sake 2nd to only Ferguson.... yes he got the money and players but to whom much is given much is required and Pep hasn't let down u might argue about the champions League but it took Ferguson 13 years to win one with United...nd pep has already been to a final in just 4 it's just a matter of time ... let's appreciate Pep.... revolutionised Barca doing same with City... Respect
Pep is the better tactician, a perfectionist that demands the best .
Klopp is the better man manager who can motivate any player .
However it will always be more special to build teams from humble beginnings, than to be in charge of the best team albeit with sky high expectations. Its that reason why I would go for Klopp .
If I was the owner of Villarreal, I would have high hopes on Klopp making my team challenge Madrid & Barca for the LA Liga with the limited bugdet the club has.
I can actually see Klopp managing Villareal to challenge those two spanish giants in laliga....now that would be another cinderella story..
Jürgen - he had the bigger challenge - he had the smaller budget - and he’s got the bigger smile!
and less trophies
Any manager can go to a PSG and City to win trophies. But how many managers can go to a Mainz and win a promotion to top flight or a Dortmund and win back to back titles against a dominant Bayern Munich or a Liverpool, that has to carry the burden of 30 years without a league title and in the process transforming doubters to believers? If you look at Klopp and his connection between his previous clubs, the fans and the city. There is a real bond. At Mainz and Dortmund, the farewell that the club and city gave him was emotional as fans were shedding tears. It was raw and you rarely get to see that in todays game. So on a human connection level, Klopp is just unbelievable and that is a very important quality for a manager. In terms of success, Klopp could have gone for the easier route and perhaps win a lot of trophies but he didn’t. Regarding Bayern Munich tried to sign Klopp multiple times and Klopp said, “That's completely fine. The world is not full of winners, the world is full of triers hopefully. And I try and sometimes I win with some other people together. I am happy with that.”
Guardiola is greatest football mind to ever live. He has changed football
Why do we have to argue these everytime, even a dog can see that Klopp is the better guy at managing a team. Pep brought Spanish football to England.
What's with the hate you possess towards Pep?
Damn, this show is a gem. Especially Lineker and Mica Richards. It’s like me and my mates decide to just talk about the beautiful game in random bits😂😂
They are the right managers for their clubs. Klopp's influence is more than just on the pitch. He has absolutely revived the passion of Liverpool fans and embraced the club soul. You genuinely feel that the team play for the supporters as much as for personal success.
Look at national team’s records when Pep is in their country. Spain - 2 Euros and a WC. Germany - WC. England - WC semifinal and Euro final. It’s not a coincidence. His teams have strong spines of players from the national teams, he improved every player he’s ever coached, he’s changed how tactics are viewed in England. It’s not even close. Klopp is probably the second best manager right now, but Pep is in a league of his own.
At the cost of Pep's own sanity, I hope Sterling outlives him at City. People might then notice how much Pep can get out of donkeys.
Doubt it though. The anti-Pep narratives are too strong.
whoa...that a very different and good argument in favour of pep...good one brother 👍
@@vespasiancloscan7077 The narratives are out of jealousy. There’s always a reason why his teams win other than that he’s just a good coach. It’s always money this or Messi that. He will be SORELY missed by all fans once he’s gone l.
It's a non argument!! Apart from spain klopp was there too for germany and england and with more of his players in the squad lool
@@aAaronbavl Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Gomez, Kimmich, Boeteng, Muller, and Kroos vs Gotze, Hummels, and Gundo. Only Hummels started for Germany in their WC run for Dortmund. In England City have Sterling, Foden, Grealish, Stones, and Walker to TAA and Henderson for Liverpool. Give me a break. Nothing to say about Spain dominating with all three of Barca’s midfielders, Pique, Villa, Pedro? England haven’t done anything in international football for 50+ years, Pep gets ahold of that spine and they reach a WC semi and a Euro final. Seems like a weird coincidence to happen three different times in three countries back to back to back. But okay live in denial.
Klopp can build teams and we have no evidence that Pep can do that. They are both top coaches but Klopp is better.
No such thing! Two unique world class managers! Just needs leaving at that! Both extraordinary guys of football!
Liverpool have to sell Suarez sterling and coutinho to buy new players. City were never in need to sell kompany aguero David silva or kdb to buy new ones.
Whenever this argument is made, the state of the Liverpool team Klopp took over is completely understated and the state of the City team Pep took over is completely overstated.
There is a nuance used to describe the situation at Liverpool that is missing entirely when describing the situation Pep walked into. For example, Klopp factually took charge of Liverpool just 16 months after Liverpool lost the title on the final day. Yet, the agreed narrative is that he took over a struggling team and built them up to arguably being one of the greatest sides of the modern era.
There's no issue with that narrative per se because there are a lot of nuances - for example, Liverpool struggled in Rodgers final season and lost Suarez and Sturridge, etc. However, the issue lies in the fact that no nuance is applied to describing the City team that Pep inherited.
For example, Pep inherited a team that actually only finished 6 points above the Rodgers/Klopp team of 2015/2016. The season before that, City finished 17 points above Rodger's Liverpool, but 11 of the 17 points difference occurred in the final 5 games - when Liverpool was practically on the beach. City won their last 5 games, with Liverpool losing 3 and drawing 1 of their last 5.
The team that Pep inherited actually finished level on points and GD with LVG's United side - only scraping 4th on goals scored. They finished just 3 points above Southampton and 4 above West Ham on just 66 points - the same total Arteta's Arsenal have hit this season with 1 game to spare, and 34 points less than the City side Pep led to the title in 17/18. The team Pep inherited didn't win back to back PL games between the end of October - May and was one of (if not THE) oldest squads in the league.
I know net spend often gets branded around when discussing a Klopp vs Pep comparison, but it's such a lazy argument. Both managers walked into teams brimming with deadwood. The only difference is, Klopp's deadwood had tremendous resale value (Ibe - £15m, Allen £13m, Benteke £32m, Sakho £26m, Solanke £24m, Ings £20m, Brewster £23m etc) and Pep's didn't - largely because the likes of Sagna, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kolarov, Yaya, Fernando etc were all the wrong side of 30 with little to no time left on contracts. Klopp's situation is also somewhat helped out by Barcelona's mind-boggling decision to spend £142m on a player who arguably didn't fit into Klopp's tactical system anyway. It's not as though it was Klopp even doing the negotiating - it's not Premier Manager 98 ffs. The credit here goes to Michael Edwards, who somehow managed to make multiple clubs pay through the nose for absolute dross.
And lastly, let's not forget, Klopp's Liverpool only became successful after breaking transfer records for a keeper and CB. It's not as though he coached Mignolet and Sakho into being world-beaters.
Anyway, both are tremendous coaches who have done tremendous things.
Thanks brother, you did a fantastic job breaking that down. I’m going to steal this from you so I can post it the next time I see one of these lazy money argument.
Klopp might leave Liverpool, manage Germany and then retire. He likes life, I can’t see him going past 65
Futbol is Life!!😄
@@hellniraj Ulla is life 😉
@@hellniraj Family is life!
Klopp will go to la liga. He loves the idea of managing there
@@hellniraj Be curious not judgemental
So much better than whatever Sky does. The topic and even the way they discuss.
Jurgen Klopp, I love you from Romania
Salut ! Forta Klopp !
@@manadog salut. E cel mai bun din lume
If Klopp came to Man City he would have won everything that Pep did and he would also win few Champions Leagues with that budget and squad.
Now imagine Pep coming to Liverpool with that FSG budget... He would run away in his second season.
klopp would never make us break records and win prems the way pep did it for us. klopp might have won a ucl but he would never be as great as pep has been for us
@@QuestTeller Klopp has broken many records at Liverpool as well. 99 points in a season isn't far away from City's centurion obviously. Liverpool also had an unbelievable unbeaten run. They don't lose home games etc. Btw: City fans need to stop acting like their team is the only one dominating the Prem. If you have to win your game on the last match day you aren't better than Liverpool.
@@QuestTeller Klopp did 99 points, won league with 7 games to go and you are telling me he wouldn't do it with that City budget?
@@Kloppenheimer united have a more expensive squad than city and fail it shows money isnt everything pep got 100 points with delph and otamendi at the back. Klopp couldnt do what pep did
A good point i recently heard about pep, when he took over at BCN he was taking over BCN, not Birmingham city or even Porto. Liverpool were a team that were completely inconsistent until klopp came in. It was a harder job what klopp done twice with Dortmund and now with Liverpool
thats not a good point for saying if one is better or not, yes its harder. but u cant blame someone for going to the best teams possible. that's like saying if messi and ronaldo are so good why don't they go play for seville or Newcastle.
@@alexwang2252 it has context when making comparisons to other players. Ronaldo by the way played in other leagues and until this year won at international level. So yes, it is relevant. Klopp didnt back down from the challenge
@@oliverread1060 back down from challenge lmao, u guys act like he had offers from psg united or bayern. tell is ronaldo playing at Newcastle? no didn't think so.
@@alexwang2252 he's playing for a club that is mid table. Klopp has done more than pep even by winning less. It's a common opinion, I'm sorry it offends you. You'll probably find the internet to be quite a triggering place if it's that easy to piss you off.
@@oliverread1060 lmao yes united is a mid table team, we can agree on that, but for sure its not a challenge or a small team. doesn't mean he's better or worse than Messi, just means he took a different path. Im not saying klopp is better or worse, i think they are on the same level, but just different styles and different traits. Just saying that point that common opinion is not the best argument.
Pep is the GOAT. It's fascinating how high the standards for Pep are, but then again, he's set them, he's the Messi of managers. People talk about money but you have wealthy teams like PSG, Chelsea, Man United who can't keep up hence they keep changing managers.
I think we should analyse change of the fan base and year income financialy since those two took Liverpool and City.
Football is about emotions, engageing people, admiration, excitement…and money…people often pay more for emotions…not just about style of play….
If someone knows incomes and fanbases through the last years, please share…
Thank you
What they should ask is how would they get on in each others clubs ,
Klopp would of done really well with Man city where money's no object
The also won the league before pep came ,
Could pep of done what klopp had done at Liverpool where he could only buy after selling ,and with a wage structure in place ,he wouldn't get 100m to spend on 1 player
Couldn't see pep doing what klopp has done
Klopp because he aint arrogant and he has made Liverpool great, city was already up there and winning
The guy that has an excuse for everything is better because "he aint arrogant". You people never cease to amaze me.
If I were make a judgement based on everything they have done I would probably say Pep but hypothetically if I was the owner of a club and I have to pick who I want for my manger then it would be Klopp because I know he can get 100% out of his players and can win trophies
Klopp is a legend. He doesn't buy names, he makes names.
"both spend money" 🤣🤣🤣
Both spend money.Klop 10pounds,Pep100 pounds!!!
I think klopps x-factor is that he can take good players and make them great. Pep on some level has always had a world class team, I think they’re incomparable until pep takes over a struggling club and elevates them to the level he’s associated with.
I think they've both improved the epl standards and world football!! The Epl is what it is because they are part of its fabric. I love seeing the best teams in the epl go far in continental championships.
Klopp is the better coach. He takes struggling teams all the way up with little money. Whiles Pep always have the advantage of spending more money to buy quality players or joining teams that are already top. Don’t get me wrong, Pep is a great coach but I don’t think he’s better than Klopp. So for me Klopp is the better coach.
Both are good in their own way
Pep is good at managing stars, bringing in and managing his dominant possession soccer and guaranteeing league titles from the start
Means Pep goes higher and comes faster to success but also has more pressure to deliver at the beginning because he comes over the prerequisites (existing team, money input) and tactics.
Klopp is good to create a strong collective and a bond between fans, club and supporters and to achieve success through family feeling and mentality
Means Klopp gets deeper and more fundamental into the DNA of the club and its environment, takes longer and does not guarantee you immediate success
An emotional environment inspires but his underdog . never give up and Working Class Hero Family approach
Both would be successful in the opposite approach, but not as successful because they would be deprived of their individual strengths,
Pep and its not close yet, just look at his track record
Whoever you support, there's no getting away from the fact that these are 2 of the best managers in world football, right now.
The English Premier League are very fortunate to have them here as are their respective clubs Manchester City and Liverpool.
Both are good. They can gel players. Like brunye and luis.. both brought in are prolific. Jesus,salah, foden and sade.. its both a great display of football
Sane*
Wenger was the first one to change the way English sides played not Guardiola ffs.
Amen. And I'm not even an Arsenal fan.
Guardiolas Football - Emulated.Across the World. Wengers Football - Not Emulated.Not even by successive Arsenal generations.
Kids these days 🤣 Guardiola was playing that football. When Wenger wasn't even at arsenal lmao. Guardiola is the greatest football mind to ever live
Pep's best season as manager is probably his 1st, when he took a trophy-less Barcelona to a treble, while hardly spending anything, mostly selling Barca's biggest stars.
Not treble (sextuple) winning all 6 trophies available to win. First ever team to win all 6 in a year.
Trophy-less? So we are just going to forget Frank Rijkaard's era? The man who bought in Xavi, Iniesta, Deco and young Messi? We are going to ignore there domestic success and UCL triumph? Barca were not starving for trophies when Pep took the helm.
Lol you're deluded
@@jlupilli Yes they were, that's why Rijkard got the sack. Deco was sold immediately, Xavi was not even a starter at Barca, and was looking for a way out of the club , to get playing time. Neither Iniesta nor Messi were the players they later became. What does forgetting Rijkard have to do with anything? Since you are pointing out his succes, could you enlighten us, how many trophies did he win in his last 2 seasons at Barca? And how many of his 1st team players, played regularly for Pep?
@@MrJoromekiq1 Fair enough. He won one trophy in the last 2 season. I guess maybe I still have a romantic nostalgia about that golden generation. I think my issue was when I read "trophy-less" I had jumped the gun and assumed you meant they had gone on a stretch of like 5+ years without success. I really enjoyed the Rijkaard era, some of the most jaw dropping performances. I remember at that time wishing my Liverpool would have a player like Ronaldinho.
It began as Ferguson vs Pep
Pep v Mourinnho
Now Pep v Klopp
Only one common denominator.
The question should be which manager has change the game and also used what they have make a team every time they step on the pitch. There is one manager that as done that and one manager that was effective in doing is job otherwise🤔
Klopp’s the best
It's Pep. For me the greatest managers of all time are Cryuff & Sacchi. Precisely because they changed football for ever. I am sure most English fans would argue for Alex Ferguson but just winning titles for me is a Statistic. Cryuff & Sacchi have bigger legacies even if they are not recognized as much.
Pep's biggest legacy in England is that there are football clubs down in lower levels in England trying to "copy" his style.
Klopp has created a great team but he has no where near the same level of tactical nuance. In fact I would argue that Klopp needs better players than Pep to succeed. (Literally the best defender & Keeper - especially) For that reason a huge amount of credit needs to go to the Liverpool recruitment side for their signings.
(BTW I am German; Most people here love Klopp and would love to see him train Germany but i still think Pep has a bigger legacy)
Football is about winning
@Bacon. Very well said bro. Appreciate you candid opinion. I had listened to Philip lahm and Joshua Kimmich interviews after Josep guardiola left Bavaria years later. It was such an amazing one, lahm called Guardiola as the best football manager he had ever worked with in his entire lifetime. Lahm noted that Josep guardiola was even better the Joachim Low. People here alas do not realise the greatness of WIZARD Josep Guardiola
the problem with city is that the last few years there’s maybe been 2/3 other teams in europe that have been right up there so in the coming years it will just get harder, u see madrid developing, barca developing, bayern are always about and with pep they may always be a bit better than them teams but the history of these other teams like we saw with madrid can overpower level in the ucl
Barcelona are in serious trouble and now have a completely inexperienced manager in charge with no money to spend.
@@bighands69 ye but they’ll get some investors or something soon, madrid were in crisis not long ago now they’re in ucl final and probably gonna sign mbappe on millions a year
PEP GUARDIOLA is an amazing and best football manger of all times just look whats hes done at barcelona bayern Munich even Manchester city it amazes with its style of play and tactics every single seasons