Learning to Trust Christ, His Church, and His Saints
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- čas přidán 1. 01. 2024
- Excerpted from "Smash Your Idols: Worshipping the True Christ - With Fr. Turbo Qualls" and Fr. Peter Heers
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As a life long protestant, we think we know. But we do not know. Only after starting a journey into the Holy Fathers, Philokalia, Way of A Pilgrim and some others, have I begun to realize that protestant's do not know. Christ is all, and protestants are not serious about that.
Father's please pray for me 🙏
Love watching your videos.
Love orthodoxy.
This is so on point for today's world.
Thank you Father Heers and Father Turbo, God Bless you both. ☦️🙏🏻❤️😊
Algorithm boost.
Excellent.
You won't fully understand how critical it is to read the lives of the saints until you start reading them! The top picks are the Synaxarion and Prolugue from Sebastian Press, but they're usually sold out. If you diligently search, you will find online resources for the Synaxarion, like the audio one from Patristic Nectar
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Glory To God For All Things!
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I needed this video so much ❤☦
Thank you for sharing these videos. It really helps
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I am a Lutheran, but I feel drawn to the Orthodox church. I agree with its positions on theological issues, but I still cannot bring myself to pray to Saints or Mary as I would God. Pray for me.
You don''t pray to them as you would God. The literal meaning of "to pray" is "to request" and you are requesting them to pray for you, just liker you might request family or friends to pray for you, but since the saints are closer to God, their requests are more powerful.
And it isn't mandatory to make such requests of saints. You might eventually start doing that, but you can enter the Orthodox path without doing it.
We are not alone, God is with us ☦🙏💪❤
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Happy new year to you to! Hope this year will be a fruitful year for us all. God bless.
This Father reminds me of Nessim.
Thank you fathers,
What is the music at the end from?
Does anyone know the name of the song at the end?
Here is a link! The chant is called Axion Estin: czcams.com/video/TlIm6TKI_B4/video.html
This is a great conversation, but im still not fully convinced by scripture that we should be venerating the lives of other men ('the saints') in this way, as much as we should all have the upmost adoration for the lives they have lived - which do serve as examples for us. That said, its the word of God, fellowship of believers, and the Spirit working in us, which i would say directs our lives in the present. Keep up the good work, though, on this channel as it's great 👍
Orthodoxy is not a Bible only based faith. 😊📿🙏
@@consciouslyaware240 that's my concern
@@joelgalley3382you’re misunderstanding on what exactly does it mean to venerate the holy fathers, its not worshipping men but utilizing the past of those who chose the monastic life and how we can prepare ourselves spiritually through their guidance. God bless brother
@@joelgalley3382 I appreciate your respect on this topic and your willingness to listen. All I can share with you is that without the tradition and with only the bible you are left without a complete understanding of the trinity and two natures of christ. There are trinitarian formulas in the bible and the divinity and pre-existence of christ is clear but without the tradition (and church to deliver the tradition) to explain the scriptures to us we are left to re-interpret based on our own novel reading. In Orthodoxy you have an unbroken link of tradition all the way back to 200-300AD. Protestantism only happened because of the west, so I urge you to remember that Eastern Orthodoxy faith and Catholicism are NOT the same thing and the wrongs of Catholicism are not the wrongs of Orthodoxy. I grew up JW and let me tell you, JW or atheism or theological liberalism is what happens when you do not have the foundation of tradition to guide the church in understanding the holy scriptures. As you approach the faith with an open heart and hear what the saints and the church have to say I believe you will have no issues and you will see no conflicts with the bible. PS. Definitely watch more Fr. Turbo Qualls
@@joelgalley3382 so Holy Tradition, the Holy Fathers, and the Saints and the canons of the Church aren’t enough? You feel safer with some other Bible-based faith who interprets it according to their understanding? How is that safe or correct?
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I don’t have much knowledge here and protect me Lord from vanity here! - but when Fr Qualls mentions people ‘taking Jesus but rejecting the Trinity’, I am wondering is this skewed sense of the Trinity, and actually of Christ Himself an inevitable corollary to a flawed sense of Mary, as Theotokos? That failure to understand her - to have a lopsided view in the ‘positive’ Roman Catholic sense or the ‘negative’ Protestant sense - is inextricably tied to a disconnect from the human/divine nature of Christ, and onto God as a Trinity?
A failure to apprehend Mary as Theotokos is in dogmatic terms a failure to apprehend Incarnation? It would seem to be unavoidable, and that one ends up with ‘myths and archetypes’ rather than the flesh and blood of incarnation - as Fr Qualls mentions in the context of the saints.
You seem knowledgeable, so maybe this is a good place for me to ask... And I'll freely admit that there's a lot of stuff in Christianity that I don't understand - I only recently began to follow Christ, and I haven't spent much time in Protestant churches (although also no time at all in Orthodox church) and I don't think any historical theological beefs have imprinted on me. But I just don't understand...
When I read the Gospels, it seems clear to me that the believers are the body of Christ, and the body of Christ is the church, and that has existed since Jesus' life as a man (I might even argue since before, but that's not what I'm getting at) - and the formal organization of "the church" took hundreds of years to form, and when it did form there were already hundreds of small churches that are collectively called "gnostic." So the church of Orthodoxy cannot be the same church as the body of Christ - even though it is certainly a part of the body of Christ. Where am I getting this wrong? Two more questions...
Regarding saints, I absolutely do find their struggles and faith to be inspiring. I like the saints, and I like the artwork of the saints, and I like hearing about them whenever a priest talks about them (so far I've only experienced this on CZcams). But... Why is more needed? Why pray to them? This ties into the next question...
God is infinite. This is a postulate, rather than direct experience, but I can't imagine God not being infinite. Why does an infinite being need to hear prayers from saints? I don't doubt that the saints are near to God, but God is perfectly capable of hearing my prayers without saints. In my mind, it's even silly to call Jesus the intercessant because Jesus is God. If I recall correctly the Book of John starts with "in the beginning the word was with God and the word was God" - I don't know Greek, but I suspect that makes even more sense if "word" was "logos" in Greek. Also, I don't know if this is correct, but I think the word of God is the same as the holy spirit, which created the Earth in Genesis. So this gets to the Trinity... All the same thing - all aspects of the same infinite God. But God could choose to be a different number - He's God, after all. God can be three people, or a million people, or a number beyond my imagination. And he could be three people today and a different number of people another day. Am I wrong? Why do we need to believe in a trinity? Isn't that already contained within belief in an infinite God?
So... Just deciding to follow Christ turned out to be the easy part. Whether or not you can help me understand, God bless you, and I thank God for bringing me here and starting me on this project of understanding.
@@fusion9619 Hi there. I’m afraid there is no Orthodox Church remotely near me, and while I am convinced from my own path that Orthodoxy is te true Church of Christ, I am far from some true beacon of light here! Regarding some of your points, I think orthodoxy here means right belief, and of course here right relation to God, not simply a formal structure beginning at some point. If the Orthodox Church began very quickly after Christ’s death and resurrection, but had wrong beliefs and practices, then it wouldn’t be the true church! So one could have for exame ple Gnostics contemporary to St Paul calling themselves Christians, but having very much wrong beliefs then they can’t be of the correct faith, I.e. Orthodox.
Of course the intellect is intrinsic to us, but it can only go so far, and here in relation to the divine, humility is so important - otherwise in our pride all kinds of ideologies in our own image, or heresies come forth. If God was fully comprehensible to the intellect, then He would simply be confined within the level of the intellect, and more or less just another rational being, but at a higher level. So we shahid be very careful or hesitant about intellectualising about the nature of God. Moses, if I remember right, in encountering the burning bush, was commanded to take off his sandals as he was on holy ground. This should be the attitude of the mind in relation to God, and amongst other things protects us from gross errors.
So regarding God as a Trinity, be very slow to try to intellectualise here or imagine everything is going to be understood by your intellect! We are created beings, and though sons and daughters of God, we are not indivisibly divine the same way God is in Himself - and as trinity. Remember too, in giving yourself some leeway, if you were getting into physics you wouldn’t expect all its depths are going to be quite quickly comprehensible to you! And here with divine nature we are beyond the limits of intellect to begin with!
I’ll more or less leave the issue of the saints alone as I’m not learned enough to satisfy an answer, but again I’d stress the importance of humility, and not having to dot every I of your understanding immediately. Pride runs very, very deep in us, more or less to our core as individuals, and that is why things like prostrations are so helpful to us - they are an active means of fostering humility rather than simply a kind of abstract attitude of mind. I would though highly recommend looking into the 20th century figure St Paisios, here on CZcams there’s plenty on him, but also there’s an excellent biography of him. Remember the saints are people with thr same starting point as you and I - and are torch-bearers for us. Again thr pride and intellect might say otherwise!
If you haven’t come across him, I also advise you to check out Fr Spyridon here on CZcams. Hope some of this helped!
@@stalkek thank you, these are all very good points, and I'll have to read this several more times to think about it. And very true - pride and intellect are connected.
Can you give polish translate? 😐
Is turbo his real name
Read the life of Saint Turbo ☦️
His baptismal name, which is his real name.
There is a St Turbo. That's Fr Turbo 's Saint. So, yes, Turbo is Fr Turbo's baptismal name.
With all due respect, the Church is making it harder and harder for us laity to trust her.
For example, a certain russian orthodox priest (american by nationality) with his own youtube channel and web blog just today uploaded a video where he entertained buddhist monks, thereby exposing himself as an inter-faith ecumenist. 👎
(Instant unsub as soon as I saw the scandalous notification.)
Was he trying to evangelize them? The video is on my list to watch.
The Church herself can always be trusted, Christ is Head.
Grandpa is a little silly sometimes but he is Obedient to his Archbishop Kyrill of San Fran.
If Archbishop Kyrill sees a problem it will be handled.
@@LadyMaria Apparently not, neither was it their first visit to his monastery.
@@acekoala457 I suspect the FBI may be right this time, the russian church abroad is indeed adhering closely to Kremlin's agenda.
@@LadyMaria yeah but what about when they closed the churches due to c-vid-ism? That was wrong.