Final Fantasy Versus XIII's DEEP Connections To Kingdom Hearts 4

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  • čas přidán 20. 04. 2022
  • Kingdom Hearts IV is DEEPLY connected to Final Fantasy Versus XIII in more than just visual aesthetic--it's the foundation of what Nomura has in store for the world next. This is the road set ahead of us set by Verum Rex.
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  • @TheNightSkyPrince
    @TheNightSkyPrince  Před 2 lety +16

    I am LIVE discussing Final Fantasy Versus/KH4 stuff and playing Final Fantasy XIV Crystalline Conflict (PvP) Ranked! Come chat with me while I push to Gold Rank!
    ▶WATCH: twitch.tv/TheNightSkyPrince

    • @mewmewpowergirl1625
      @mewmewpowergirl1625 Před 2 lety +1

      Hey is you

    • @unitedlegend6042
      @unitedlegend6042 Před 2 lety +1

      Great topic bro!

    • @oriongold395
      @oriongold395 Před 2 lety +1

      Night Sky, Strelitzia is not the same person as the Nameless Star residing in the Final World. This is the first time I've heard about Strelitzia is nicknamed Stella. The Nameless Star is the woman that Yozora was trying to rescue in the Verum Rex commercial; the one many people nicknamed Stella.

    • @TheNightSkyPrince
      @TheNightSkyPrince  Před 2 lety +2

      @@oriongold395 I didn't say she was. Brunet Stella is Nameless Star.

    • @otleyltd6544
      @otleyltd6544 Před 2 lety +2

      But Nomura is a victim of his own imagination. He has good ideas but no idea how to make a cohesive story. That’s the hugest difference between an adequate or accomplished writer. Even his character designs. He obviously designs good memorable characters..but they all follow the same motif, no matter where they belong… belts, buckles and chains.

  • @TakeTheWorld21
    @TakeTheWorld21 Před 2 lety +275

    I really hope Tetsuya Nomura fits in as much of Final Fantasy Versus XIII in Kingdom Hearts IV as possible, he deserves to tell that important story of his in any way, shape, or form

    • @yodarusev
      @yodarusev Před 2 lety +16

      Most original Nomura project

    • @luizy6701
      @luizy6701 Před 2 lety +8

      So, where will he fit the Le Misérables musical part?

    • @zephyrias
      @zephyrias Před 2 lety +14

      @@luizy6701 streliztia and sora watch an musical, cue the musical ina cutscenes. baddies emerge and crash the musical, sora goes onstage to fite. They have ro sing and theres the occasional QTE moves

    • @SBaby
      @SBaby Před 2 lety +1

      Four Hundred and Twenty Six.

    • @andydandy8525
      @andydandy8525 Před 2 lety +2

      I heard (from a leaker so take with a metric ocean's worth of salt,) that KH4 was originally supposed to be named Verum Rex but Nomura changed it last minute. I hope Verum Rex gets to be its own, Yazora focused game like phase 2's Birth by Sleep.

  • @tenebraequeene
    @tenebraequeene Před 2 lety +142

    KH4 is definitely the culmination of Nomura's "revenge". He'll get his VS XIII in some form, whether SQEX likes it or not! And I'm honestly excited for whatever comes!

    • @timothyfoster6132
      @timothyfoster6132 Před 2 lety +12

      I’m totally up for an off the rails KH that uses FF not with the characters but the themes that could have been. Your idea of “revenge” is a nice spice and I would LOVE to see Nomura’s retribution in the form of classic samurai film motifs in this.

    • @coreylucas5346
      @coreylucas5346 Před 2 lety

      Like the Joker said.
      YOU GET WHAT YOU F$&KIN DESERVE!!

    • @Ronin-kk4bt
      @Ronin-kk4bt Před 2 lety +11

      Im 100% on board for versus being used through Kh

  • @ostrichlord9097
    @ostrichlord9097 Před 2 lety +19

    Square: "Hey Nomura, you're gonna have to stop your work on Versus-XIII to make Kingdom Hearts"
    Nomura: "Aight bet"

  • @johnnada6855
    @johnnada6855 Před 2 lety +34

    Literally FUCK everything else, i just want Versus 13 before Nomura leaves this world

    • @blackrosedragon88gm
      @blackrosedragon88gm Před 2 lety +2

      3:56

    • @lovesgibson
      @lovesgibson Před 2 lety +3

      It was never completed and we have no idea what the actual game would’ve been. It probably just would’ve been another convoluted mess that turned into a series of games of cliffhangers and confusion.
      Just as he’s done with kingdom hearts and now final fantasy 7 remake.
      Don’t get me wrong, I like Nomura’s games, but at the same time it would be nice to have a game with a fully resolved ending at the end, instead of just a teaser for the next game in 5 years.
      Although, Nomura’s formula probably works better for Square’s pocket book. Never ending series means fans waiting and ready to give out more money. Just like the marvel movies.

    • @ken7007
      @ken7007 Před 2 lety

      Yea all this shit overrated if you wanna play RPG'S with actual full stories & resolutions in base game ring around the rosie dialogue. Look no further then the Tales of series
      No sequel baiting bs

    • @jase276
      @jase276 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lovesgibson Just as he's done? Square wanted him to do the countless spinoffs instead of letting him work solely on Versus 13. Square dumped FF7R on him hot off of KH3. And he didn't even write the changes in FF7R. And you honestly can't believe that he decided on FF7R being episodic.

  • @CLKiryu0331
    @CLKiryu0331 Před 2 lety +113

    I just want Versus XIII man! I dream of that game all the time! Hopefully Kingdom hearts 4 and Verum Rex fill that void for us all!!! Also great video NSP!

  • @DonGutierrez
    @DonGutierrez Před 2 lety +102

    I feel like Versus XIII was such a big passion project for Nomura that when the IP was taken away from him so he could focus on KH3 and FFVII Remake, it (pun intended) broke his heart. I think it's why we see so much of the art and stylistic approach in KH3 and KH4 alluding to it. It's a shame, I think they initially put too many projects on him that led to Versus XIII, KH3, and FFVII Remake being delayed for more than 10 years in development. No fault to his own, but as many directors (including Hironobu Sakaguchi) moving onto different projects and companies in the mid 2000s, at the time he was one of the big and up and coming directors who could take on such immense projects.
    I've always wondered what Versus XIII would have "been". FFXV was great, but something about what they had intended for every character in Versus XIII. including the character Stella Nox Fleuret, just seemed so intriguing. I wonder if we'll ever know what could've been. Or maybe, KH4 is supposed to be the spiritual successor to that.

    • @zephyrias
      @zephyrias Před 2 lety +2

      I feel like streliztia is new stella tie in, and sora is the defunct vs13 noctis tie in for KH4’s retelling/reimagining of vs13

    • @SobrietyandSolace
      @SobrietyandSolace Před 9 měsíci +1

      I love how Stella was also giving strong Aerith vibes in the trailer, I feel like this connection to FF7 was deliberate

    • @DonGutierrez
      @DonGutierrez Před 9 měsíci

      Oh for sure! Both radiated strength and elegance @@SobrietyandSolace

  • @Sjono
    @Sjono Před 2 lety +34

    It’d be interesting to see Lightning pop up here considering how the FFXIII trilogy ended

    • @FutureLombax
      @FutureLombax Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah but remember after lighting defeated the final boss in lightning returns they were all reborn I say we might get caius instead since he did become the new watcher or god for the dead

  • @PetarBladeStrok
    @PetarBladeStrok Před 2 lety +117

    Not gonna lie. This video reminded me of your early days and nostalgia hit me like a truck. Time's flying. And your content only got better my friend. Wish more people talked about Versus XIII in general. Top tier video! Amazing.

    • @TheNightSkyPrince
      @TheNightSkyPrince  Před 2 lety +10

      It took me back as well when I was making this. Definitely old school NSP vibes on this vid.

    • @laylavladi
      @laylavladi Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheNightSkyPrince 🥲 yesss

    • @stormcutter59
      @stormcutter59 Před 2 lety

      The only reason people don't is either they forgot about it because they got jaded from such a long, disappointing wait, or because it's shamed upon fans for ever believing their was ever a different concept ever despite their being multiple trailers that show that concept in great detail. And why? Because of a couple rumors and a statement by one of the directors who wanted to sell his game to the public.

  • @ultimamage3
    @ultimamage3 Před 2 lety +26

    The kicker about Noctis having the Omen dream is that every scene with Luna in it is completely removed. She doesn't even get screentime in his dreams.

  • @NoctLightCloud
    @NoctLightCloud Před 2 lety +17

    finally Versus XIII videos are a thing again! My favourite content on CZcams.

  • @OmegaKatanaXIII
    @OmegaKatanaXIII Před 2 lety +54

    Bro you noticed Nomura wanted to do VERSUSXIII and it's gives more hype than the endor hint. Even the battle gave me vsxiii vibes even the heartless looks different like it's a demon instead of the heartless we came to know and love. This shows Nomura never ever forgotten until gotten kicked off his dream project...which he didn't took it well and he's making it really clear that he will bring back his dream project like it or not.

    • @Ronin-kk4bt
      @Ronin-kk4bt Před 2 lety +10

      Yeah he loved versus 13 noctis is even one of his favorite characters he was obviously passionate about the project sucks he couldn’t do versus especially when it looked really good

  • @divinesoul1987
    @divinesoul1987 Před 2 lety +39

    I really hope one day they'll allow him to do FF versus XIII the way it was meant to be conceptually.

    • @pinkblossoms
      @pinkblossoms Před rokem +2

      Same. Nothing will come close to seeing Noctis and friends again especially when I keep being bombarded by reboots and remasters of other Final Fantasy titles. I want Nomura to come back and work with Tabata and all the writers and listen to the criticism and make a brand new story.

  • @matthewdunaway7622
    @matthewdunaway7622 Před 2 lety +7

    Pretty much Nomura is on 15+ year quest to tell his Final Fantasy Versus 13. Pretty much like Tetsuya Takahashi and his 25 year quest to tell his perfect works xeno story

    • @ulfk5667
      @ulfk5667 Před 2 lety +2

      But with one big difference. Takashaki shipped 4 big Xenogames in the last 12 years whereas Nomura shipped one mediocre KH3 and FF7R. Nomura is a visionary artist, but he is also an awful director, too.

    • @jase276
      @jase276 Před 2 lety

      @@ulfk5667 Nomura dropped more than just those two games in the last 12 years but ok, anything to fit your narrative.

  • @Steviofo
    @Steviofo Před 2 lety +24

    It's weird that I want to see two versions of final fantasy 15, one where Nomura finished the game and the other where Tabata had more time to make 15.

  • @heartlessgamer_3242
    @heartlessgamer_3242 Před 2 lety +57

    Great job on this video! You hit a lot of great points on these references. We may never get to see Versus XII how Nomura wanted to tell it. But he will show us another way and it will be amazing. Nomura is just telling the fans of Versus XIII to be ready.

    • @blackrosedragon88gm
      @blackrosedragon88gm Před 2 lety +4

      I can't wait for that, OMG

    • @patchtactic
      @patchtactic Před 2 lety +4

      I don't think Versus XIII will be the only Final Fantasy we'll be getting in KH4 (hopefully) and recently i've been replaying FF7R in jp dub and, lo and behold, i noticed that the voice narrating in the KH4 trailer is Takahiro Sakurai, Cloud's jp voice actor so hopefully we get a FF7 world as well.

  • @shinjiaragaki3031
    @shinjiaragaki3031 Před 2 lety +6

    Honestly not a day goes by where I'm not kinda bummed about Versus XIII

  • @MelodicQuest
    @MelodicQuest Před 2 lety +20

    Even Nomura himself said that Versus XIII is a game that will never get to exist. XV is a similar but very different game, and Verum Rex seems nearly identical yet cannot be the Versus XIII because of the restrictions put upon him by Square and Disney. It's pretty sad to have an idea yet be unable to fully share it with the world.

    • @426Studios
      @426Studios Před 2 lety +5

      Honestly, I think he had an outburst within the higher ups of SQEX and Disney because of so much restrictions that's why we see on the Remind the doubling down on the Vs13 concept. This is just my speculation on what happened, that because of so much restrictions placed upon his team on developing KH3, that he had an outburst in the middle of developing it that the higher ups was forced on lessening the restrictions that's why starting from Remind DLC we see more and more a resemblance of Vs13. Higher ups were forced to lessen it because if Nomura leaves, many veterans will also leave with him. That would certainly affect the stocks of SQEX.

    • @THECHRISAL3X
      @THECHRISAL3X Před 2 lety +4

      I mean clearly he’s doing what he can to keep the spirit of verses , it may not be EXACTLY that but pretty darn close!!! I’m here for it!

    • @ken7007
      @ken7007 Před 2 lety

      Eh

    • @1216Rockman
      @1216Rockman Před 2 lety +1

      When did Nomura say that? Cuz he never said that

  • @rmunoz1994
    @rmunoz1994 Před 2 lety +4

    Holy shit I can't believe I didn't notice the familiar music until you pointed it out!

  • @mariapazgonzalezlesme
    @mariapazgonzalezlesme Před 2 lety +28

    Bro, I never realized such connections and symbolism through FFVIII-Versus and KH4. I remember seeing the trailer, and made realize how amazing the story could have been. I hope Nomura's fantasy finally get his dream to bloom within reality. (Get it?)

  • @noavsnow7134
    @noavsnow7134 Před 2 lety +15

    These people that say why are people so obsessed with versus 13 good reason for it was gonna be much darker then ff15 and overall I think would have been a more coherent story and better gameplay before I die I want versus 13 with noctis and crew

    • @ken7007
      @ken7007 Před 2 lety

      Meh

    • @blazeknight2629
      @blazeknight2629 Před 2 lety +2

      Xv was a dark story because every character that noctis knew aside from the party died or got turned. How do you get darker than that?

    • @noavsnow7134
      @noavsnow7134 Před 2 lety

      @@blazeknight2629 that wasn't really dark too me also it was just overall the story had just bad storytelling so I did't care what happened to anyone really, what do you mean turned like what happened to Ravus and the chanceller of Niflheim I really did't care what happened to them was just stupid they had no build up nothing

  • @derptyderp5287
    @derptyderp5287 Před 2 lety +7

    As someone who doesn't care about Kingdom Hearts... This kinda makes me interested in KH4.

  • @Ronin-kk4bt
    @Ronin-kk4bt Před 2 lety +9

    When that versus trailer came out I probably watched it a million times I thought it was so cool and was stoked for versus 13 I want to see Nomura vision in kh4 it should make for an amazing game!

  • @knightofanguish7399
    @knightofanguish7399 Před 2 lety +4

    The taxes really got me. That's some deep lore right there Nomura.

  • @axel25
    @axel25 Před 2 lety +5

    2006 - 2022 i am still in love versus XIII , Nomura God i need it

  • @alumlovescake
    @alumlovescake Před 2 lety +3

    Having the true orginal versus 13 and xv complete would be amazing but neither will come true

  • @DarthJF
    @DarthJF Před 2 lety +9

    Back when Square was hyping Fabula Nova Crystallis series I always thought Versus XIII was the most interesting of the bunch. It's a pity we'll never get to experience what that game would have been like but if Nomura is able to reuse his ideas from it in KH then that's better than nothing.

  • @Cetarum
    @Cetarum Před 2 lety +10

    Love your work! thanks for this video.

  • @TheOriginal_Unaleska
    @TheOriginal_Unaleska Před rokem +4

    I also want to point out that in FF15 (as I am playing it now, cause I haven't played since launch). The Ragnarok Sword is very similar to the sword Yozora uses, too.

  • @DJG96Z
    @DJG96Z Před 2 lety +2

    Incredible video man! Definitely been trying to look into all the versus xiii connections for years with yozora but lots of new stuff I didn't pick up on before this video!

  • @liftea7304
    @liftea7304 Před 2 lety +36

    Nomura got a lot of my respect. Seeing a creative person like him wanting to salvage his idea and creative vision so badly is very impressive. Even if it should turn out to be terrible I'm glad he tried. I think Kingdom Hearts can't get worse than it already is after Birth By Sleep, Dream Drop Distance and 3. So let this man create the story he wants to tell. Ironically the mobile game story looks very promising. The Master of Masters and the dandelions are interesting characters.

    • @drumjod
      @drumjod Před 2 lety +2

      Such a good point that it couldn't be much worse than 3 lol.

    • @TacoLex
      @TacoLex Před rokem +3

      @@drumjod
      Union X and Dark Road proved that Nomura can have story telling that is down right amazing without going crazy like BBS and DDD. Hence, I think learning from mistakes I think he’ll give it his all and use the help around him to make KH4 and the supposed Verum Rex game he’s discussed working on his ultimate magnum opus.

    • @lazyvoid7107
      @lazyvoid7107 Před rokem

      🤓

  • @Bleinsfield
    @Bleinsfield Před 2 lety +1

    Great work on this!! It's so bizarre and wonderful to see the stuff in those Versus XIII trailers finally actually happening in some form.

  • @matthewmuir8884
    @matthewmuir8884 Před 2 lety +7

    KH4 looks interesting, but I've honestly never really been interested in Kingdom Hearts, so I do hope that Nomura is able to properly realize Versus XIII.

  • @ridhoardipratama7978
    @ridhoardipratama7978 Před 2 lety +3

    I kinda want to see noctis, lightning and ace in kh4 to represent fabula nova crystalis mythology reference

  • @dadodem2157
    @dadodem2157 Před 2 lety +13

    LOVED this video NSP!😁 The references you managed to pin point between KH 4 and Verses XIII was mindblowing to me! Not to mention the new Japanese vocabulary I just learned in this video! This really makes me excited and hyped to see what KH 4 will have to show us! Amazing and interesting video!😁💕💕🙌🏽

  • @BrandonCabjuan
    @BrandonCabjuan Před 2 lety +8

    I’m so hyped for this game. I loved XV even though it got the hate it did, lol. Can’t wait to see how this new chapter unfolds in the KH franchise

  • @LonewolfXIII
    @LonewolfXIII Před 2 lety +8

    Its almost like Nomura is jaded, his baby that he spent 7+ years developing with only 20-25% of a game to show for it was taken from him. So hes decided to highjack his successful franchise to make the game HE wants.
    Im sorry, but had FF versus 13 been taken away from him sooner FFXV might have been a more beloved and well regarded game. If Nomura could drop all the Disney elements from KH like he did with the FF ones he would at this point.

    • @NeloBladeOfRanni
      @NeloBladeOfRanni Před 2 lety +2

      Nah it wouldn't have been
      Tabata can't write female characters or characters in general for shit

    • @LonewolfXIII
      @LonewolfXIII Před 2 lety +3

      @@NeloBladeOfRanni I didn't know Tabata wrote for Kairi

  • @philipford6183
    @philipford6183 Před 2 lety +2

    The whole Versus XIII is such a fascinating tale of what appears to be one artist's frustrating journey towards making the 'One Game' truly close to his heart. Let's hope...

  • @wiseguy240Winston
    @wiseguy240Winston Před 2 lety +11

    Final Fantasy 15 was just disappointing in its final state but hopefully if it's gonna come back in another form in this case through Kingdom Hearts then hopefully it'll be much better.

  • @HeroOfLight13
    @HeroOfLight13 Před 2 lety +11

    Furthering that whole “4=death” thing, KH3 introduced a sort of “ancient Keyblade wielder language” with special unique symbols that mean different letters and numbers. In particular, the number 4 ends up resembling an “X”. And prior to this in the KH series, the letter X was often associated with “X (pronounced chi, key, or kai)” , which the main antagonist Xehanort described as being an ancient letter that meant “death” and “endings”.
    Now with Xehanort and his ambitions out of the picture, suddenly there’s room for the letter X to have a new meaning to flesh out its mystery even further. 👀

    • @lazyvoid7107
      @lazyvoid7107 Před rokem

      He doesn't care about that, only FF so I go for HMK

  • @fattiger6957
    @fattiger6957 Před 2 lety +22

    I'm not much of a fan of Nomura's modern work, but his FF13 Versus sounded way more interesting than what we got in FF15. TBH, I think Square should just friggen let Nomura make Versus as an original IP. It doesn't seem to fit very well with KH, especially with Disney breathing down their neaks.
    Square really needs to bring Sakaguchi back. It's no coincidence that after he left the franchise started going downhill. He doesn't need to be directly leading anything, but have a position like Miyamoto at Nintendo.

    • @blackgatecertified6952
      @blackgatecertified6952 Před 2 lety

      *necks don't get caught misspelling that word again good sir.

    • @pepin836
      @pepin836 Před 2 lety

      Thats why they making Verum Rex after kh4 because it was suppose to come Before but nomura didn't want to leave kh fans without knowing what happened to sora...

    • @ultimate8948
      @ultimate8948 Před 2 lety

      @@pepin836 Kh4 was SUPPOSED to be called verum rex but inevitably they decided against that. I don't think verum rex is happening after 4.

    • @tomgu2285
      @tomgu2285 Před 2 lety +4

      @@ultimate8948 🤦‍♂️ no. What you heard was a mistranslation what he said was right.

  • @calendarfactory8566
    @calendarfactory8566 Před 2 lety +5

    It’s so weird how they’re doing all of this when this isn’t going to be versus 13

  • @Bris05
    @Bris05 Před 2 lety +1

    Love these anaylisis! Pretty good job!^^ ANd I'm pretty sure you could be the only one to make them, just because you're Night Sky Prince after all ;)
    Thanks!

  • @Lucira
    @Lucira Před 2 lety +1

    I'm glad you pointed out that the beginning of the trailer for IV had a theme that resembles Nox Aeterna. I did not see anyone else bring it up, and i thought that i was the only one that noticed.

  • @iamjoehill
    @iamjoehill Před 2 lety +1

    MAN YOU JUST KILL IT EVERY TIME!! THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE YEARS!!

  • @Kasaaz
    @Kasaaz Před 2 lety +2

    Sora way less worried about why this stranger is somehow in his apartment than I would be...

  • @zensei7685
    @zensei7685 Před 2 lety +2

    i feel you on that first versus XIII trailer, it was love at first sight .

  • @PhilipHarts
    @PhilipHarts Před 2 lety +1

    Great piece man! Love it! Gonna go watch those old trailers

  • @SaraCryWolf
    @SaraCryWolf Před 2 lety +1

    I am so glad to have found this video. When the new KH trailer first dropped I immediately thought of Versus XIII and couldn't believe that nobody else I knew was making that connection. Glad I'm not crazy!

  • @TheJozzi
    @TheJozzi Před 2 lety +2

    I get hyped right away when I see the terms NSP and Versus!

  • @fenrir9784
    @fenrir9784 Před 2 lety +4

    I would LOVE a really dark mainline FF

  • @ghouldash9761
    @ghouldash9761 Před 2 lety +1

    I used to watch the Final Fantasy Versus XIII trailer back then. I can't wait to see how Nomura ties in Versus XIII to Kingdom Hearts IV.

  • @tomasburian6550
    @tomasburian6550 Před 2 lety +9

    I sympathize with Nomura on this whole thing. Hope he gets justice done for his love project. Many of us loved it too.

  • @YumiYuna.
    @YumiYuna. Před 2 lety +3

    Dang. Prefect video. I miss FF versus 13. Hold those idea be on KH4.

  • @schrodingersbabyseal
    @schrodingersbabyseal Před 2 lety +2

    This is a great video and I look forward to arguing with people in this comment section!

  • @73juro
    @73juro Před 2 lety +1

    Banger analysis ryan

  • @HinoarashiSuzaku
    @HinoarashiSuzaku Před rokem +2

    The haircut of Sora in the new trailer just looks like the haircut of Noctis somehow... the only difference is the hair color.

  • @squirtyharry
    @squirtyharry Před rokem +2

    I'm glad someone else acknowledged how weird that noctis dream is....

  • @cmlamp
    @cmlamp Před 2 lety +2

    Man what I think with scene of Yozora winning against Sora is what they gonna use in KH4. So I’m what thinking they’re going to do is just like in KH2 with Roxas, it’s going to be a prologue of Yozora gameplay for about 3-6 hours. And then at the end of the prologue, he will face and beat Sora declaring him the winner while showing the Sora crystallized. After that both him and Sora will say “I been having these weird thoughts lately” which segue into the trailer we gotten for KH4 of Sora waking up.
    That would be so perfect to start off KH4.

  • @KewlImp
    @KewlImp Před 2 lety +8

    I believe a lot of the VS13 found its way in FF15, at least when it comes to the basic story. However, I don't think Sora is dead or this is a "fictional" reality as some people like to say. More than likely there are several realities that exist in the game's universe. This is a theory video to come, but, the reality that Quadratum exists within probably has a Kingdom Hearts that has been completely sealed. That is why Light and Dark have no power in this reality. I think Nomura might be trying to show that the darker tone would have done well. But I see KH4 focusing on transitions rather than death.

    • @NyreenGotto
      @NyreenGotto Před 2 lety +5

      Aside characters, some settings, and minimal plot beats, ffxv is an entirely different game than anything conceptualized for versus 13. Even Tabata admitted as such, that this was a new game. Most of versus 13 was sacrificed for the development of ffxv. The only story beat that Nomura really wanted Tabata to capture was the road trip. That was achieved. The overall theme and story however are completely different from what Nomura wanted.

    • @ultimamage3
      @ultimamage3 Před 2 lety +4

      @@NyreenGotto the road trip, but Nomura really wanted it to be a "road movie" which is a genre that explores themes of alienation and one's cultural identity and the identity of a nation or historical period, and the characters engage in lawless behavior and struggle against existential internal conflict. Meanwhile in FFXV, Noctis will hear that his kingdom was obliterated and then he can go back to fishing and feeding a fussy cat, camping, and hunkering down in the most expensive hotel in the middle of Lestallum as if Niflheim never occupied the place and shot a man in cold blood.
      The stakes of the narrative are decimated by the lack of tension in that Noctis's victory was assured before he was even born because of a prophecy and the power of gods intent on making him do what he's supposed to, which he and his allies accept with no objections in the main game. During VERSUS XIII's promotional blurbs the party was explicitly stated to be _"Not the type of people who bear the fate they're given; therefore, they will fight alongside Noctis to defy their destiny"._ what we end up with in game is Noctis telling his friends he's going to die, and they she'd a few tears but otherwise don't fight against it to save him.

    • @KewlImp
      @KewlImp Před 2 lety

      @@NyreenGotto I stand correct, my bad.

    • @KewlImp
      @KewlImp Před 2 lety

      @@SarahYTC Nomura has confirmed the "crystal ending" as just something for people to see when they lose the fight. That is all. But Nomura has deceived us before, but I believe it.

    • @KewlImp
      @KewlImp Před 2 lety

      @@SarahYTC The Famitsu interview. Audrey aka @aitaikimochi translated that part of the interview already.

  • @ghostgameplays7797
    @ghostgameplays7797 Před 2 lety +4

    4:00 OMG i got chills. You know it makes sence to make the music sound simulator considering Yoko Shimomura wrote the music for both Kingdom Hearts AND Final Fantasy 15! I absolutely LOOOOOOVED FF15! Its my favorite game of all time. So listening to that little bit of music, knowing Yoko Shimomura made the music of FF15 and KH, makes me VERY exited for this game! Especially knowing we're FINALLY gonna get Final Fantasy Versions XIII in some way. I think im more excited for it because of FF Versus XIII being put in this game. Im a huge FF fan, so.

  • @13chabs776
    @13chabs776 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video man. Never played kingdom hearts before, but seeing the resemblance to versus I might have to pick it up haha. Also where did you find those concept pictures of Noctis’ apartment?

  • @shadowwarrior3444
    @shadowwarrior3444 Před 2 lety +4

    Considering that Nomura was debating making a Verum Rex game but decided to do KH4 first so that we wouldn't have to wait as long as we did for KH3, my guess is that if we don't get to play as Yozora in KH4, we will in his game, which will probably where Nomura will unload more of the ideas he had for Versus 13.

  • @Yilue
    @Yilue Před 2 lety +3

    I actually didnt know about versus xiii until after I finished xv. I remember just having the reveal trailer for versus xiii being in my recomended and I fell in love with it instantly. Discovered more infomation about and until this day now waiting to see what kh4 truly brings to maybe give that franchise a go. Like man I loved xv in its own way but we could of truly got something special with versus xiii. Oh also I remember someone saying that the reason noctis sees the omen trailer is to show what will happen if he goes on his journey alone. No idea how true that is.

  • @chrisparker9299
    @chrisparker9299 Před 2 lety +2

    If they released the omen and the Versus 13 alternate DLC then 15 would’ve been the best

  • @itsalolmor
    @itsalolmor Před 2 lety +2

    Dude, did you come up with that Quadratum/shi no sekai theory yourself? That was nuts, I never thought of that.

  • @a.dykeman1980
    @a.dykeman1980 Před rokem +2

    Something I’m surprised nobody is calling out here - the idea of Verum Rex’s Quadratum being a “world of the dead” isn’t necessarily a change, since this has its own roots in VSXIII.
    Within Fabula Nova Crystallis lore, Etro, the goddess that would have been worshipped in that game’s world, was a goddess of the dead, who lived in the world of the dead… a world that was extremely important, because all of the other gods in the Fabula Nova Crystallis universe were trying to find it and bust open its gates.
    Nobody outside that Otherworld even knew who Etro was, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to suggest that Insomnia, and the greater setting of VSXIII, might have turned out to BE the land of the dead, or at least connected to it in a way none of the other FNC worlds were, if that story had been brought to fruition.

  • @BackSlashJvb125
    @BackSlashJvb125 Před 2 lety +1

    Strelitzia is the name of a flower btw, it doesnt have meaning like star. JUst o correction when you were talking about the stella and strelitzia

  • @SogonD.Zunatsu
    @SogonD.Zunatsu Před 2 lety +2

    Even if it carries the ideas and themes of Versus XIII, it still won't be in the Fabula Nova Crystallis continuity, and by its name seemed to call back to XIII. I guess we'll never know how XIII, Versus XIII and Agito XIII were supposed to be somewhat connected.

  • @juanvsreviews
    @juanvsreviews Před 2 lety

    Wow good job!

  • @ronaldmaday
    @ronaldmaday Před 2 lety +1

    The “until it wasn’t” meme always gets me.

  • @claduke
    @claduke Před měsícem

    I realize this video is a couple years old, but do you have a link to that interview with Nomura you cite early on? I’m trying to search for it and not having much luck.

  • @TsunaSora
    @TsunaSora Před 2 lety

    God I feel so old now. Like damn remember when the first Versus trailer was teased...

  • @DiscountYT
    @DiscountYT Před 2 lety +1

    that "until it wasnt" was spot on lmao

  • @orbitalframejehuty3666
    @orbitalframejehuty3666 Před 2 lety +2

    FFXV is the body of a game that never got to exist, while Kingdom Hearts IV may well be it's soul. This excites me more than you can possibly imagine.

  • @bigheadqwe
    @bigheadqwe Před 2 lety +4

    I'm tired 😫 it's been 16 years already they will not let kingdom hearts be what we all wanted from versus

  • @johnnada6855
    @johnnada6855 Před 2 lety +1

    Yo PRINCE when you´re doing podcast again?., do something with FF Peasant or others KH fans, keep up

  • @TREVORVADER
    @TREVORVADER Před 10 měsíci +1

    It’s sad to see Versus XIII never come to be because it’s so cool looking and I feel like it just had completely different vibes that the final game while not necessarily bad just couldn’t match

  • @manny330
    @manny330 Před 2 lety

    it pains me that I don't remember the name of the song you use in your intros. great video btw

  • @felldoh9271
    @felldoh9271 Před 2 lety

    would be so cool!

  • @BlackWhiteCloud
    @BlackWhiteCloud Před 11 měsíci +1

    Also, Noctis just summons his sword, just like in KH they summon keyblades. VS XIII is just Final Fantasy mixed with KH.

  • @DICEBOY22
    @DICEBOY22 Před 2 lety +8

    Honestly instead of this.... Nomura should have peace'd out then do a Kickstarter for the actual game he wanted to do.

  • @bloodedge1528
    @bloodedge1528 Před rokem +2

    I can't wait to finally play Versus XIII! lol

  • @digiing1992
    @digiing1992 Před 2 lety

    It will probably not take too long until Nomura finally puts the obvious sign(s) into the Kingdom Hearts title(s) too, right? Just going by the PSP game title gives indications already.

  • @DaxmathecoolNobodie
    @DaxmathecoolNobodie Před 2 lety +1

    Another layer to the death thing is wearing all or a lot of white symbolizes death as well in japanese culture. So it makes sense for strelitsia's white dress. Even sora has a little bit of white. Although the move for more black in his design could also be the western take on wearing lots of black in a period of mourning.

  • @nikiriot8636
    @nikiriot8636 Před 2 lety +4

    It seems like Nomura have some sort of trauma or uncompleted gestalt about versus XIII and with time this trauma makes him add in other games parts of versus... But this is meaningless... Only one action and one thing will make us and Nomura find peace... And this is... Restored and completed Final Fantasy Versus XIII in whole it greatness!

    • @youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596
      @youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596 Před 2 lety +1

      He has apparently said somewhere that he cried when he drew Noctis for the first time after being removed from Versus. That's very clearly trauma. After all the shit Square pulled with Versus, he has every right to feel the way he does, and I hope to hell he's able to give us this story somehow. He deserves it.

    • @jase276
      @jase276 Před 2 lety

      Think of it, he spent like a decade building it up. It was his child, it was 100% his. He only ever created characters before, but this time he can create the world his character will be in. With KH, he never really had full control because Square and Disney would be down his neck. However, since Versus 13 was a spinoff title, he could get as dark a s he wanted and basically do whatever tf he wanted.
      Word is, it was going to be like a Shakespearean epic. It had such a cool vibe to it that I genuinely don't think it'll ever get back. Yozora's great and all but he's not as cool as Versus 13 Noctis was.

  • @danvisor
    @danvisor Před 2 lety +1

    *"Strelitzia"* the name of the girl who guided Sora when he woke up in the Quadratum, she is keyblade wielder from Dandelion, the legendary group who builded by Master Ava in Kingdom Hearts Union χ thousands year ago before young Xehanort exist, Strelitzia have a same age with Ventus, because long time ago before he amnesia, Ven also member of Dandelion, & u all must be know Luxu, the 6th apprentice of The Lost Master who disguised him self as Xigbar. We don't know why people from Union χ never aging, include The Lost Master.

  • @isaacddestroy3674
    @isaacddestroy3674 Před 2 lety +1

    I’d just really like them to advantage of this opportunity to mourn the dead series beyond Versus XIII, like the Type 0 games, and just generally be representative of the dead dreams of the HD Era of Square Enix. Perhaps a Nier nod as well Emil or sumn, showing how at least some aspect of the darkness made way for a dream to make it into reality with Yoko Taro. All the while acknowledging he very often rode that line between life and death for his series with every game leading up until Automata

  • @godzilla4189
    @godzilla4189 Před 2 lety +1

    Quadratum also resemblance the Black and WHite Ending E of Drakengard. Lets hope the queen Grotesquire doesn't show up. XD

  • @everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553

    It would be such a neat callback if we got Stella incorporated somehow but regardless, I am excited to see where Nomura takes this game!

  • @AubreyTheKing
    @AubreyTheKing Před 2 lety +1

    Final Fantasy Versus XIII may have died, but it will NEVER be forgotten!!!

  • @singgichi11
    @singgichi11 Před 2 lety +1

    I really hope that square will remake ffv13, or new title dedicated to it, I will not even complain if they only tease them so much on KH4. I still can not move on from how ffxv turned out because back then ffv13 really blew my mind, the first announcement and gameplay trailer already made me thought that it would be the best final fantasy game ever made, the sheer potential of the story is amazing, how ‘dark’ the theme is felt really different from the other ffs, it really filled my teenhood into huge curiousity just to be given ffxv that felt like the interns are doing the work.

  • @crowing3886
    @crowing3886 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm over versus 13. We've learned too many times what heavily delayed, stopped an started games bring us lol.

  • @pixelwolke7830
    @pixelwolke7830 Před rokem

    What's the small audio track for the intro? Is it specially created for this channel or is it from a game?

    • @danieloftamriel
      @danieloftamriel Před rokem

      It’s 1000 Words (Ochestral Version) from FFX-2

    • @pixelwolke7830
      @pixelwolke7830 Před rokem

      @@danieloftamriel Thanks a bunch I hope you have a wonderful day

  • @NebLleb
    @NebLleb Před 2 lety

    5:50 It was a patched-in addition. The Omen short was made after the main game, so they patched segments of it in as connective tissue.
    Seriously, I NEED to play XV, even if because its development was so wild.

  • @Dsrgreyy
    @Dsrgreyy Před 2 lety +1

    I don’t remember the chapter 8 dream in any of my play throughs. Guess I get to play this gem again 😊

    • @nagekun
      @nagekun Před 2 lety

      ffxv is far from a gem

    • @Dsrgreyy
      @Dsrgreyy Před 2 lety +1

      @@nagekun an uncut Diamond is still a Diamond.

    • @destroyermcw626
      @destroyermcw626 Před 2 lety

      @@nagekun Ehh but seems great to me on my Xbox one X!

  • @Aergia90
    @Aergia90 Před 2 lety +4

    If this justify a new game with Noctis about Versus XIII then i'm onboard. Otherwise... Meh....

  • @mrskye08
    @mrskye08 Před 2 lety

    Quadratum might just be one world sora gets into in kingdom hearts 4 and locks. Hopefully nomura moves on as well.

  • @HyouVizer
    @HyouVizer Před 2 lety

    I remember I was still high school when Versus 13 was 1st announced. I'd have a daily to weekly ritual watching the CGi fluff trailers off in awe how badass they looked, seeing them on CZcams which was barely a year or so old at the time. Then some Versus 13 fans late 2000s would get a PS3 (when it was current) thinking it would eventually come out on that platform 🙃

  • @THECHRISAL3X
    @THECHRISAL3X Před 2 lety +1

    I just hope Yozora doesn’t get retconned. That’s literally my ONLY concern. I guess I want a Verum Rex game haha

    • @SSlash
      @SSlash Před 2 lety

      I'm fairly what certain he'll still be in the picture, MAYBE not as big as we might've expected him to be, at least in 4, but Nomura said he was torn as to whether or not to make 4 or VR and ultimately chose 4 cus he didn't wanna leave everyone worrying about Sora for YEARS, so I think either VR will get made as the next game after 4, or that a lot of the focus on Yozora that would've been on him will be somewhat of a side plot for now, and maybe VR will be a prequel game showcasing his whole story prior to us meeting him (aka versus?? who knows)