Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Discovery 5.9 - Lagrange Point
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Jonathan Frake's directing is responsible for more starship destruction than Wolf 359
I was honestly thinking just park the Disco in to that huge hanger. Frakes knows what the nerds crave.
@@withershin We are a simple to please people. We love 3 things in life. Starship design porn, stuff blowin up and/or crashing into other stuff and cold beer on a warm day while cookin a pizza
@@sparquisdesadespot on mate
@@sparquisdesade you know doing a 180 in a Crossfield class A-10 style in a Breen carrier is unique right?
@@withershin I was jus tryin to make a funny about how for the most part, cool spaceship designs an ship battles are all it takes to make me happy most of the time. lol
The scene with the crew lined up in Breen armour I couldn't help but think...
"Aren't you a little short to be Breen?"
What? I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to save you... - oops, wrong franchise!
Adira is so adorable in the breen suit they’re so smoll
E10: Finally! Tech that can bring back Trip.
The progenitors capsule was blown into space with the door unlocked and the portal activated. I could see how those two things could compromised the integrity of the capsule.
Also it was balanced at the Laronge point before. The stress on the object would be way stronger when it got jettisoned.
I thought it was being shot out from inside.
Not to mention being pelted with debris as it was blasted out into space. Duranium is impressive, but not indestructible.
Not to mention that at the edges of the event horizon there are insane amounts of radiation, super heated plasma and cuncks of matter zipping around at ludicrous speeds. The capsule without Sheila's or deflectors would have zero protection from any of this.
It was open when it was blown into an unstable orbit...
On the subject of Doug Jones being incredible....it never jumped out to me before, but the way Jones acts with his eyes IN ALL THAT PROTHESIS is amazing. The emotional range that he is somehow able to convey without saying a word is just masterful.
Dude went through MIME training. He knows how to act with his body and eyes. I'm sure that's why he got so many bits in prosthetics (and the fact he's TALL).
@@petertrudelljr Not just tall, but oddly proportioned. In silhouette he already looks alien.
I'm sure Jones wishes he could work without being swallowed up in makeup... but I'm sure he gets paid very very very well to do so because he owns it every time. Still remember him from HELLBOY!
I see him on the boardwalk - good dude. I don't nerd out. It's Toronto.
I think Raynor doing the “Picard maneuver” (pulling his top when sitting) should have been mentioned in Cetaceans Observations.
And when he clapped his hands like a teacher, on the bridge. 😅
If you watch to the latest episode of The Ready Room, Frakes tells Will Wheaton that he suggested The Picard Maneuver to Rennie when Rennie asked him for advice for the first time sitting in the Captain's chair. The arm rest double bang was all Rennie.
And then he uses a version of the Riker maneuver against the breen fighters later
My prediction: Progenitor tech used on the Kwejian worldroot cutting to restore the planet or at least a child of the planet.
So it would be a Genesis like device
The Breen kill Saru, but the Progenitor Tech brings him back and also revives L'ak. The series ends with T'rina and Saru's wedding on the newly recreated Kwejian home world.
Hidden in the crowd of wedding guests is a resurrected Trip Tucker!
Yes that works with the mild emphasis last episode 👍👍
🙏 For kwejein
I said much the same thing on a previous video, but you put it more eloquently than I did. Well said!
@@chazmania3644🤣
A portable transporter buffer is a perfect battlefield tool. Freezes an injured ally in time until they can be brought out in a med bay, can freeze an enemy to bring home for interrogation. Allows hidden carrying of heavy ordinance. All around useful machine. Basicslly a fantasy "inventory" system
They used it in SNW: the buffers only have a finite amount of room befoer you have to let someone's pattern go
@@esumiwa5583 Eh, I'm sure it would only be a matter of time before some kooky terran mad scientist would have been able to develop a way to choose certain parts of someone's pattern to edit/delete so you can make more room to carry guns.
Like... I mean... do the prisoners need to be anything more than a brain in a jar to interrogate them once we get back? I really wanted to try out the new gravametic-chainsaw the dr cooked up.
@@esumiwa5583there is a big difference between a relatively small pattern buffer on a 23rd century starship, and a handheld 32nd century pattern buffer... Where with the latter, they have literal bigger on the inside technology
@@esumiwa5583from TNG about 25 years ago
A Bag of Holding 🙂
I like when captains get to use their pre-Captain skills Pike and Archer flying things, Janeway, Picard and Burnham scienceing, Sisko dealing with Engineering stuff....its just very nice.
Agreed! Burnham’s anthropology skills have come in hand massively this season and it’s a good treat
Adding to your wish for a reaction shot of Burnam at the end, imagine the Treksphere implosion if we'd heard Avery Brooks' unmistakable voice say, "The Burnam is here. Welcome."
"Computer, end program."
I would have fainted.
Just the one word: “Welcome.”
His voice is absolutely unmistakable.
OMG, if she and Mal (Moll? Mall? Moll?) end up with the "Wormhole Aliens", that would just be AMAZING, and if SISKO greets them... Pbbffttt! That's the sound my head would make as it explodes.... 🤯
I like Saru being back, but I have to say, MY latinum up would be Raynor all the way through, but especially in the last scene when he took the captains chair.
I don't think it's a Pringles can. It's a Barrel of Monkeys game. Can't win until all the primates hold hands...
If they kill off Saru, we riot
I have a bad feeling about that!
If they had planned that, they changed it the moment they realized it's the last season.@@michaelarulanantham8833
@@michaelarulanantham8833 : I do too !!
Saruicide
I'm so scared they will since it's the last episode 😭 it feels like they're setting it up to happen, but I hope thats just misdirection
No up for that short "I have an idea, it might be risky" "Just do it" interaction between Rayner and Burnham?
It is so short, but so good, since it a) shows how far the trust between Burnham and Rayner has come.
and B) means that mister "62 % is good, we take that risk" actually at least thinks about it by now.
In episode 1, they would have argued about a call like that and ended up on different points. In episoe 9, Burnham trust him to make the right move blindly.
the case imploding as it flew out of the shuttlebay is not a plot hole.
it makes sense that it impleded as it was exposed to violent gravitational forces.
originally it had been stationed in the lagrange point where gravity is in equilibrium between opposing forces, cancelling one another out. a box of (duranium) tissues would be fine there.
NONE of that is _how_ gravity _WORKS_ .
@@chuckintexas Hah! I've seen this explanation repeated here in the comments, but...
Any object in free fall experiences NO sensation of stress from gravity except for:
(1) when it is being accelerated by physical contact with something pushing it.
(2) when it is being stretched by strong tidal forces over a short span of space
Option 1 is out since the canister is not in physical contact with anything pushing on it. So that wouldn't do it.
However, 2, it _is_ in proximity to two large black holes which can create the types of tidal forces that could rip apart something in orbit. Except for three problems with that. One, seemingly paradoxically, the bigger the black hole is the gentler the forces are outside of the event horizon. Two, the further you are from the black hole, the gentler the forces are. And three, the smaller the object is the gentler the forces are because the gravity has to be significantly stronger on one end of the object than the other to rip it apart. That's more likely for a large object like Discovery or the Breen ship than a car sized canister.
Counterpoint: The structural integrity fields of the ships could (in a sci-fi way) be enough to hold the ships together if I suppose the canister didn't have one.
The Star Trek game Voyager Elite Force had a portable transporter buffer to explain how your character can carry so many weapons at once
Dang, went here to make this comment myself. Regardless, +1
Also theirs was the size of a briefcase so having it small enough to fit on Moll's wrist 1000 years later makes perfect sense too.
my god.... those crazy bastards at Section 31 tactical RnD found a way to use the transporters to literally make "bugs bunny hammer space" for their arsenals
We've seen in Discovery already how tools materialize in their hands on away missions.
Love that game!
The Pringles Can blowing up doesn't bother me. The episode title explains it.
A Lagrange Point is a region of gravitational stability because competing gravitational forces cancel each other out. A real world example from today is the James Webb Space Telescope. It is located at a Lagrange Point.
So, not only was it damaged from the collision, unless it was jettisoned back into the Lagrange Point, it would have been subjected to extreme gravitational forces for the first time ever.
They got the science right on this one.
But not the time dilation that they should be experiencing from them being so close to a black hole. A few hours for them there would be years for everyone not near it.
@@jeffs6090dramatic television conceits, it would derail the story if they tried to do that part right
Not to mention that at the edges of the event horizon there are insane amounts of radiation, super heated plasma and cuncks of matter zipping around at ludicrous speeds. The capsule without shields or deflectors would have zero protection from any of this.
@@jeffs6090 Now that'd have been an interesting twist--the cost of getting the tech is that you'll lose years to it.
@@jeffs6090 Star Trek magic physics. The inertial dampeners compensate for relativistic time dilation.
Burnham says the mission is time critical but she decides in the middle of the mission, to have a heart to heart with Book. if they hadn't done that, they'd have succeeded.
Yes, so stupid, especially from show often criticized for being ongoing group therapy sessions.
You said you wanted some ideas as to what we think we'll see on the other side of the portal. 1) Dr. Kovich. He started Disco on this journey. I think he's the sixth scientist who "died" (Jinaal's word), but really he mastered the Progenitor's tech. Either he's a human who is now immortal b/c of the Progenitor's tech or a Lanthanite. 2) Based on the musical cue from TMP in Epi. 9 of this season, we'll see the race of beings that created the machines that sent V'Ger home, or maybe the life-form from the end of the movie that was the amalgamation of Decker/Ilia (list them as missing), or both. 3) We'll see many of the ancient races of the galaxy there, a la the end of Babylon 5, who were testing the younger races. Perhaps we'll see Q, Iconians, the race that created the androids in the TOS episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" and, perhaps, a cameo from Salome Jens reprising her role (she's 89 years old now!).
Naaaah...I think Wesley Crusher - with or without "the traveller" - will be on the other side. Either that, or Jodie Foster's dad! Or as a third option, Rick Sanches will be waiting for them with a case of beer.
I love Jeffery combs ❤❤
I was really looking forward to where his character and Archer were going in Enterprise. Oh well.
@@funkygerbil2530 I always loved it when Shran called Archer, Pink Skin.
Rayner did the Picard maneuver when he sat in the captains chair
Cloaking Technology has always caused distortions. I agree that they could have made the effect more subtle but it’s kinda needed for the establishing shots to work. Also the capsule was balanced at the Lagrange point between the black holes for years. It breaking apart when jettisoned, door wide-open, and not equally balanced between two black holes makes perfect sense.
In addition, there are a lot of gravimetric fluctuations caused by the black holes, which would interfere with the cloaking field.
That Tilley smile and scene was perfect!
Trek Culture After Dark.....take an up.
Find Jeffery Combs is the loudest laugh you’ve given me. It hurt my ears!
Can we talk a moment to recognize that Commander Jemison is obviously a nod to NASA Astronaut Mae Jemison who appeared years ago on TNG?
I clocked it while watching the episode, very cool nod
NK Jemison is a stellar sci-fi author that could also be a reference.
Can't believe Seán missed Rayner's Picard Tug when he sits in the chair.
Breen are now canonically poly-amorous hot oil jaccuzi swingers - at least on holidays and high holy days. Along with Saru and T'rina being utterly adorable, and Tilly and Rayner being work flirts, I'm here for horniness in a crisis.
This is now canon.
Need more Book with a Breen boyfriend
still not as horny as the Cerritos.
Omg Tilly was flirting with Raynor? I didn't get a moment of that thought. I got eff off kid and Tilly was like okay fine you win. It was all a set up for the chair sit. Simple comedic/dramatic framing. I skip over the lovey-dovey parts. Oh crap you might be right but that means we'll get Callum Keith Rennie on Academy. It's fine.
Babylon 5 fans know that Breen taste like Swedish Meatballs
Great points made on Owosekun & Detmer’s absence. My dream scenario is that they are brought into Starfleet Academy in a way that PROPERLY builds out their character arcs.
And Saru has to do some guest lectures as well.
@@philopharynx7910I would’ve love Saru awkwardly trying to get through a special guest lecture
My thoughts exactly
I watched it once, I thought they were trying to sell the “Definitely Not Character Who’s Name I Didn’t Know” as “Extra In need of Extra Money” a la Gabriel Union in DS9 “Sons and Daughters” or the 3 (Fing 3, only nerds know) Zeals.
I know the perfect ending for the series.
Pull a “Bob Newhart”.
At the end, fade to white and show Williams Shatner waking up in bed saying “Damn! What the hell was that? No more chili fries before bed!”
😂
This episode, with Burnham going through the portal reminded me very much of Times Arrow part one.
Or Picard stepping through the Iconian gate onto the Romulan ship
So apparently the Breen are like tacos. You've got your hard shell ones, soft shell ones, and when they're in their uniforms, you've got the gorditas.
so racist
14:30 - the outline of the cloak shows because of the 2 black holes sucking matter which hits the ship…
Doug Jones’ portrayal of Saru is absolutely the MOST Star Trek part of the series. He’s hands-down my favorite Disco character and embodies the best and deepest aspects of what good sci-fi story telling can be. As others have pointed out, his ability to emote through all the prosthetics is impressive and even the way he walks seems “other worldly.” He’s really nailed the part.
I am so glad you gave a down to the helmet views. I thought I was alone on that one.
You are not alone.
"Pringles Can", Love it. 🤣Love the DS9 references too. As for episode #10, even though the series is ending; Discovery will go on.
I’m calling it here. We will get a 32nd refit of the ISS Enterprise with Detmer and Owo, with the fleet, arriving just in time for a rescue.
That would make it all worth it.
You're wrong about that 5th down. The whole point of that location it was in (the lagrange point) is that it's a place where the gravity of the two black holes cancels out, making it "safe". The capsule being anywhere else outside that specific point is vastly different than the conditions it's spent the last 800 year in.
Plus the key is in the canister now and hence it was open when it was blown out too.
I'm just gonna say, the canister really reminds me of the Lego Mini-kit containers from the various Lego video games
Goddamn minikits
First, I have a bit of a beef with giving a down to the destruction of the "Pringle Can". While in the Lagrange point between the 2 black holes, it was in equilibrium and in little danger. Once it was expelled from the ship, there was no indication that it was into the Lagrange point. Any unprotected object would be ripped apart by the forces of the black holes.
Second, I think that Burnham will get everyone to work together, bring back Lok, get a few answers of the universe, then ultimate everyone decides that it's better if the tech is destroyed. They all end up coming back to normal space, Lok takes over as the leader of the Breen and brokers a deal with the Federation and everyone lives happily ever after.
Yeah, I think that sounds terrible too.
I think rather than destroy it, Burnham pushes a new set of scientists to make a new set of clues to reset the riddle for somebody else in the future, which will suck as an ending.
I'm not sure how the Breen suits magically knew what was banter between the Disco crew and what they wanted to say and translate for the Breen. I guess the microphones work on plot power. My guess is the small pringle tin blew up because instead of being at the LaGrange point avoiding gravity, as it was for centuries, it's traveling closer to one of the black holes, I can't remember them explaining what a LG point is though so it could be clearer.
Good grief you actually made me laugh with the "bring back Jeffry Combes" gag. Well done you said a funny.
Okay, Sean, here's your heat: I really like the "Ironman" helmet views we got of the away team, so... so there! I also liked the split screen moment when it showed three faces at once, which made it really feel like an old-fashioned 1960's heist film. But, on the other hand, I'll let this one "Down" you gave slide because your Jeffrey Combes joke literally made me laugh out loud.
I think that split screen moment was a power rangers reference….
Sean your video closings are so beautiful. We need more peace and kindness in this world.
Gotta love Jonathan Frakes for directing this episode :).. much love..
Part of me wishes that, When Burnham entered the "wormhole", she should have said "My god, its full of stars".
Or just "Oh my..."
Pringles can? I think it looks a lot more like one of those little rootbeer barrel candies.
Same
The journey onto the Breen dreadnought strongly reminded me of Burnham and Prime Georgiou's ill-fated heist to the Klingon sarcophagus in "The Battle of the Binary Stars", but this time, it worked.
It's now the battle of the binary black hole's 😂 😂 ❤❤ ❤
@@dianenorton3316 its sort of like poetry they rhyme
There was also a reference to COSID. An anagram of DISCO.
and Rayner felt comfortable and finaly sat on the chair
Detmer and Owo's absence feels so conspicuous that I can't help but think they're gonna come back in at the end of episode 10, shooting surprise torpedos from the ISS Enterprise, Han Solo style.
Oh good, another Star Wars reference I can tag this on to: Was I the only one half-expecting someone to utter to Tal "aren't you a little short for Stormtrooper"?
They have to yell "Yahoo!"
That Jeffery Combs Joke made me actually Laugh out Loud. lolol
THANKS for this, Sean and Co.!!!!!
Seán Ferrick IS Trek Culture!
But bring back Marcus and Adam
That's a dream team
@@gerryh8367 yes plz
I'm betting that they'll figure out a way to make Calypso canon.
I recently rewatched strange new worlds and I'm seeing a lot of that in this season of discovering. Somebody was definitely taking notes
The oil bath made me laugh. I needed a good laugh. I fear that the finale will be a disappointment because of Moll’s stubbornness and the Breen’s nature. Michael stands alone. I will be delighted if I’m wrong. BTW where are the Klingons? I haven’t seen a Klingon in the 32 century. If I missed it please let me know.
We really need to see Moll in a different base emotional state that isn’t cocky/bitter for the finale to work
After they yeeted everything bad from the show by going to the future i think it's safe to say whoever had the reigns for seasons 3 through 5 was smart enough to not ever touch the Klingons again in Discovery. Ever. At all.
In-universe you can probably chalk it up to them poking the wrong bear and Quo'nos lies in shambles, Klingons are like 2 steps above Kazon on a good day.
Anyway, where'd you hear that? We have any leaks already?
Thanks to Kris again for the running “Oops-a-daisy” gag! I literally laughed out loud!
As soon as I saw Saru, I thought of you, Sean.
I think the casing collapsed in space because it was unlocked and open by then rather than sealed as it had been for 800 years.
The series began with a battle at a binary system (Binary Stars) and will technically end the same (Binary Black Holes)
The shuttle entering the dreadnaught through the exhaust port and almost getting melted in the process reminded me a lot of DS9 "One Little Ship" where the Rubicon is shrunk and also enters the Defiant through the plasma vent.
"Pringles can", AMAZING. But actually, my first thought was "Whisky barrel" 😅
Lotta harsh comments tonight. Sheesh!
Watched all the Trek shows (most 2x or more) & enjoyed them all. Let’s be less aggressive, people; that’s part of the future ethos of Trek.
Ah! it’s a full moon! Duh!
The scenes of Discovery flying through the Breen ship reminded me of the scenes of Discovery flying through the Charon in the Mirror Universe.
I think I have to rewatch this one next week as a movie length finale 😊. Enjoyed it so much what a great season this has been. And great ups and downs too 🖖🏽
I wonder if in the finale amongst the starfleet armada thats on the way we will see a 32nd century ISS Enterprise being piloted by Owosekun and Detmer and captained by admiral Vance
Disco gets the addition of Rayner (played by arguably one of the best Skin Job Cylon’s from BSG) and they decide to cancel it…wtf Paramount +!! Season 5 of Disco has been the best season since season 2! I hope we see more of Rayner…maybe he’ll pop up on Starfleet Academy? We can only hope!
I really thought as soon as the Breen started sending troops through, there's a shout out to the SG-1 episode 'Torment of Tantalus' - especially the one with the tether....
Rayner might be one of my favorite characters on Discovery.
Saru is the "shape of the one between the many". A diplomat, and pragmatist who overcame existential fear to become something greater...Action Saru is about to have his moment I think.
So much yes
Sean, I love your message at the end of all the videos. Thank you for that.
YES let's talk about that Oil Bath!!!
This ep was so fucking good had me hyped
Seriously, the binary black holes reminded me of the Battle of the Binary Stars in the first 2 episodes of Discovery.
I called it back in episode 1... I said Rayner was going to be this shows Shaw..... Looks like it was a good call.
I would have loved to have heard the Breen who Book was hitting on asks, "So we're not going to the Feast together?"
"See you next week for the season finally." Sadly, also the series finally.
As always thank you so very much all.
Sean: You can actually see book getting beamed out of the shuttlebay in the final sequence if you look closely
Ok, so we are on the Breen ship, surrounded by enemy soldiers. It is very tense and a dangerous situation. Let's just grab five minutes to talk about or feelings shall we?
"Mission first. Feelings later."
Ah! A re-run of the Jason Nesmith/Alexander Dane 'argument' to distract the guards and then knock them out.
Saru's part was modular in this episode, detached from the main plot and cast. Owo and Detmer are Lost in Space, I think. Feels like they could have been fit in. Look how much time we spent on four cast members in Iron Man suits. THAT can be done anywhere, anytime. They should have had Owo and Detmer phone home in front of a cheapie background. Also -- aren't Burnham and Adira a little short for a stormtrooper?
The Pringles Can???😂Sean, you had me dying laughing
Also potential additional Cetacean Observation: piloting a small ship through thin shields caused by impulse engine exhaust also happened in another Trek penultimate episode: TNG s7e24 "Preemptive Strike". Ro Laren used her advanced tactical training to pilot a Maquis raider between the Enterprise' nacelles :D
Love the t-shirt Sean.
I really haven't been missing Saru. I think he is a great character and great actor, but I like when characters move on. When we get to see their career progression.
I agree with most of your ups and downs. As for the Finale, i'm eager to see what they come up with. The only thing I can think of is the great power may not be about creation but more about cooperation and unity. Also, one thing you could say was flying the shuttle into the unshielded exhaust port is a call back to 2 Star Trek episodes: DS9 One Little Ship where the tiny runabout entered the ship through the plasma vent, and TNG's Preemptive Strike where Ro navigates the Maquis raider through the Enterprise shields cause the impulse exhaust causes a weak point in the aft shield.
The part with the casing is NOT a plot hole. We have no spacial awareness in this scene. The Pringles can was in a Lagrange Point, a stable orbit point, around the 2 black holes at the start, but now it was moving away from the shuttle bay thus not in a stable orbit anymore and probably now in a decaying orbit into an object with MASSIVE gravitational forces. It is similar to submarines being just above crushing depth or the scene in Babylon 5 with the white star and the shadow vessel flying into Jupiter. If you cross a certain point, depth, or height (as in decaying orbit), it is game over.
Nice closing message .
Saludos desde Argentina.
I enjoyed this episode... I was so happy to see Saru back,
I was hoping to see more of 10c for the last season. Brimful Of Asha on the 45 lol...
Discoverys phaser sounds this episode were Next Generation Phaser sounds you missed that. Also season 3 finale their phaser sounds from from TOS.
Well the outline of the Disco ship give me ... Wonder Woman invisible airplane vibes ... so I LOVE IT!
So when that whoopsy daisy started. The first time I was laughed. The second time I was confused. The third time I felt like the Fry not sure if meme... and now I've circled back around to laughing
Agree with everything, except it’s clearly an 800 yr old beer barrel.
100% support your message of how peace is made. Hoping the last ep whops us on the head with that in a beautiful way. Also a great wedding.
Sorry but you’re wrong about the container. It was explained earlier in the episode that the container was put into a place between both black holes where it was in perfect equilibrium. That is why it didn’t come apart. Plus, the integrity of the container had been breached by it being opened.
Thanks for your weekly review of these episodes. Can't believe next week will be the finale of the series. I'm still betting Book's planet will be restored by the Profenitor's technology
I realize I’m a few days late to the party but theory: Last we heard of Detmer and Owosekun, they were piloting the ISS Enterprise to Spacedock. Any chance they make a big return as bridge crew on a newly retrofitted ISS Enterprise in the final episode? More importantly, would that redeem their absence 🤔
In the next episode Q shows up and tells them, they do not need so much power, to make the universe a better place!
Or Riker and Troi show up and say: „Computer, end program“
(Again…. 🤦🏻)
Either way... the only thing left to figure out... is WHOSE TWISTED HOLODECK FANTASY IS THIS.
and this was directed by frakes...
Both of those endings would be better than this trash, I guarantee.
Honestly, the "end program" would be better than ANYTHING THESE COMPLETE JOKE OF WRITERS came up with whatever it will be, I PROMISE you!
@@marcusjohansson668 I really did not expect them to be able to do worse in the last season than any season before but they've really surprised me with how truly awful the writing can get. The acting got slightly better as the show went on so Burnham is not completely unwatchable anymore but the actual good actors on the show get too little screen time. It's rather unfortunate. I could not possibly have lower expectations for the series finale and yet, I'm sure they'll find a way to disappoint.
I'm amazed no one pointed out that provided they don't leave the area. Discovery started with Binary Stars and will end with Binary black holes/stars
Yes! Thank you for bringing this up. I noticed that right away. Thematically, it's rather beautiful I think.