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Ancient Sith Lords: “Bro I fuckin HATE that anakin dude man..”
Anakin: “I’m not even born yet man wtf??”
Lmaoo
Lmaoo
lol!! 😂
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
🤣🤣🤣
Why Augustus Caesar DISLIKED Joe Biden.
Alright I laughed aloud. Take my like
The son or the uncle??
Wouldn’t it make more sense to name an Italian PM or even a Greek one?
Sounds hilarious when u say it like that
Lmaooooo 💀
I love how the Jedi thought Anakin didn't fulfill the prophecy but in "reality" he brought balance to the force by wiping out both the Sith and Jedi
Luke has entered the chat.
@@phoenix21studios the new generation starts with Luke so he doesn't count towards the old, complacent, prophecy following Jedi
@@eho6380 He was trained by Obi-wan and Yoda both. Yoda even told him that after he confronts Vader he would be the last Jedi. So what if he didnt go to an academy with structure, explain to me why it matters if it comes from an institution.
@@eho6380 he was told that vader was his last task, after that he'd be a jedi. There's no council to crown anyone, Yoda is pretty much the last member of the jedi order.
if yoda says you're a Jedi, you are a Jedi.
Plus your logic is flawed, if you need to be granted the title of Jedi, by a Jedi, to be a Jedi, than who granted the first Jedi the rank of Jedi? Excaclty, he did.
If the first Jedi can call himself a Jedi, i think the last Jedi can too.
@@Psi-Op Who cares what yoda says? He was an old fool who oversaw the destruction of the Jedi and the Republic. He was a failure, flawed to the core. Luke only defeated Vader after using his anger and hate, he won using the Dark Side, but in the end he rejected to fall into it because it was a false dichotomy. Even if he called himself a Jedi, he did not live as one, he was more balanced.
Vaders biggest mistake (and something he couldn’t necessarily control) is the fact he was trained by Sidious. While both the ancient Sith philosophy and the Rule of Two both had their flaws, the fact of the matter remains that Sidious didn’t believe in the Rule of Two. He believed in the rule of one. He never intended on Vader striking him down and succeeding him as he did to Plagueis, Plagueis did to Tenebrous, and so on. He intended on ruling forever and disposing of Vader when he was no longer useful, as he did Tyranus. Had Vader been trained by a Sith such as the spirits of Exar Kun, Revan, or even Marka Ragnos, he would’ve had a much better chance of reaching his full potential. But the philosophy held by the ancient Sith who hated Vader and Sidious was flawed as it was ultimately self-destructive. Even when they came within a hair’s breadth of conquering the Republic, they always failed due to infighting and betrayal.
Honestly if Anakin would have been taught by Qui-Gon (I know I butchered that) I think he would have turned out much different. I do believe I read somewhere that he was more of a grey Jedi who would dabble in the dark side like Yoda had done. He was also more detached than Obi-Wan when it came to training as Obi-Wan saw Anakin as his brother. Sadly Qui-Gon didn't survive Maul lol.
Ancient sith had honor so why would they respect a man who took advantage of a situation and took the weakest way to defeat mace windu and eliminate jedi? They took so much pride in their power they would want to take the universe by force rather than cheap tricks that admit the jedi were stronger
@@johnson1735 that was all under Sidious instructions/influence. If any other Sith was to train Vader he wouldn’t have done things that way.
Actually i think Sidius DID believe in the rule of two. In its purest form the rule clearly state that the sith apprentice must EARN the throne. If Vader could not find his own way to defeat sidious, he would not be worthy. Thus a new apprentice was better, and Sidius had his sight on Luke/Leia, and eventually Rey. Tyranous was disposed because he was no longer the best bet, to continue the sith legacy, as Anakin had grown stronger, and he knew he could be turned. In all his time Dooku, did not manage to overthrow Sidious, and in that case the rule of two states, that he is unworthy of the sith legacy.
Sheeve only give up because vader got burnt and he realised he is as good as its gonna get
Darth Malgus would probably like Darth Vader, seeing as they have similar abilities and fighting styles. Who Vader really needs though, is Darth Revan
palpatine also used Malgus' notes and teachings to teach Vader.
Darth Vader would be a beast if he received training from Darth Revan.
@@jessemillan1385 facts imagine anakin getting lesson from revan that dude would mop damn near the whole jedi council even Yoda
Darth Revan and Darth Tyrannus are the 2 Sith Lords that Anakin needed
@@macwelch8599 hmmm tru but question who u think would win between vader and darth sion
Both sides of the argument have their weaknesses. The Rule of Two made the Sith line vulnerable, while the Ancient Sith made the mistake of not respecting their enemies
The Ancient Sith were their own greatest enemies. The whole premise of their teachings means that a civil war is guaranteed. Any time they got close to beating the Republic and Jedi Order for good, they failed and turned on each other. Their entire system is designed to turn on itself and fail, yet they try to make excuses that it makes them strong.
Ancient Sith talk about following the will of the dark side is trash. They wanted to conquer, they wanted to destroy the Jedi Order, and they failed at each and every time they did it.
The newer, modern Sith of Darth Bane, Sidious, Vader? This only arose because the Ancient Sith completely failed and the Republic crushed their ballsacks, helped with a very good dose of the usual Sith infighting.
@@Warmaker01 and did any of the Banite Sith reach the heights of power displayed by the Ancient Sith?
@@paladinebahamut YES
@@90skidcultist I don't recall Palpatine causing a star to go supernova through use of the Force alone
@@paladinebahamut I don't recall any of them destroying a planet with Force Storm and creating wormholes. Or escaping death and jumping into a clone body. Sidious is just naturally strong and doesn't need artifacts to boast his strength. Vader also stomps them.
Imagine if Darth Vader hadn't dueled Obi-wan. Imagine if he'd reached the age of 40 without losing his power (losing limbs, needing a suit etc). All those ancient sith who hated him, would have been slaughtered by him.
Maybe but not every Ancient Sith would be slaughtered. Malgus, Vitiate, Tulak Hord and Marka Ragnos some of the strongest Sith in Ancient times would be able to go toe to toe with Vader
@@Carpediem357 They could put up a fight, but they aren't near his power. Vader had twice the natural power of Sidious, who is considered one of the most powerful Sith ever. He lost that in his duel when his body got messed up. A full strength Vader who'd learned to use Force Lightning and other abilities would be damn scary.
@@Carpediem357 Na we are talking a vader without a handicap. Those prosthetic limbs and the suit is designed to hold vader back. Sidious designed it so.
So Vader would have been something else if he still had all his limbs.
@@James-ns6jm I know but still those mentioned and Nihilus are on par with Vader. Remember Vader is the strongest Sith in his time and all these Ancient Sith were the strongest if theirs. Some existing during the same time. Vitiate knows how to manipulate Vader, Revan is far too atuned in both sides of the force to be able to overpower him for a split second to gain the advantage, Nihilus is unstoppable unless you destroy the Mask, Malgus fought Satele and the Jedi Warmaster I believe was his title the strongest Jedi and held his ground against both and ransacked the Temple with like 1,000 Sith compared to the millions of Jedi. I’m not saying they can beat him full on one on one but they’re at his strength level.
If you put Vader against all of them then yeah Vader would lose
@@RickySpanish12344 Vader would most likely be stronger and defeat many ancient sith but not all , someone like maybe Marka Ragnos , Vittate , Nihilus , Revan etc. for an example .
Vittate was a legit sith god , considered to be even the most powerfull sith lord in history , besides dark empire Sidious maybe . He only felt really somewhat threaten by Nihilus with is a power house in his own right , as he is a legit demon an evil spirit of the dark side , the dude devourse entire planets of their life force and destroy them and Revan was essentially the chosen one of his time . I would say maybe Vader has the best chances of besting Revan as they are very alike , maybe .
I have a feeling that both ideologies of Ancient and Modern Sith are very off putting. The Ancient Sith understandably were more warrior-like and wanted to beat the Jedi saber to saber this as well as believing the dark is always greater than the light yet never fully taking out the Order entirely. The Modern Sith had a good plan of working in the shadows, not quite like the Sith of old, but having to change tactics in order to completely destroy the Jedi Order entirely. After the reign of Tenebrous the modern Sith’s vision had changed and thusly failed on their own accords.
I agree that the old sith were more warrior like and attacked more often rather than the modern sith which flows more towards tactics.
well, slaughtering all the sith to establish the rule of two, wait one thousand years to take over the jedi and being at the head of the galaxy for only 20 years doesn't sound very smart to me. btw i see your point you're right
You could say the sith became a phantom menace
No.
pretty much that split happened with bane
Funny, the more you listen and learn about the Jedi/Sith lore, the more you realize how messed up both sides became in the movies that we know. Jedi's are peacekeepers of life, not politicians. They aren't supposed to be siding with anyone, just against conflict. Sith are power hungry, not necessarily the Jedi's nemesis but merely super nerds of the force. Quite frankly, if the Jedis weren't so scared of the dark side and shunned the Sith, there wouldn't be any conflict between them at all. At the same time, can't really blame the Jedis. They're trying to preserve the natural way of life, but powerful enough Siths can alter that very natural way of life Jedis try to keep. Both the Jedis and Siths deviated from their original beliefs in the movies as far as I'm concerned. At the very least, that is what I'm understanding from watching and listening to Sith/Jedi videos.
The plural of Jedi is Jedi, bro. Like the word Samurai.
@@bobmcham5192 I learn something new everyday.
Agreed.
Thor Skywalker did an excellent video on the matter.
@@moalex6617 the Jedi and the Sith will always fight one another because the Living Force deemed the Dark side to be a corruption of itself. The Sith seeked to conquer the galaxy and the Jedi, and forced the Living Force to heed to their command and they also display unnatural abilities which is corrupt in nature.
While the Jedi is unwilling to be conquered, they deem the natural way of life to be the right way, so they seek to protect that. And they also heed to the command of the Living force, which wants them to go kill the Sith.
@@limitlesssky3050 I'm not huge into reading and studying all star wars lore, but are you sure that the Force actually commands the Jedi to go kill the Sith? Otherwise wouldn't the Jedi go on manhunts or execute those that fall to the dark side rather than banishing/exiling them? It feels like the Jedi only really kills them whenever they encounter them because the moment calls for it rather than being compelled to. After watching a lot of videos, I'm certain that I have only ever heard of those that have fallen to the dark side to be banished or exiled, and only killed because the Sith got a bit too ambitious with growing power.
"...the entire galaxy would be shaped and molded by this _single_ man."
Vader: 😢
Who was created by Darth sidious the last SITH LORD of the Rule of Two by Darth Bane
We need a Vader series or at least a Vader game where Vader isn't just hunting down the Jedi but perhaps also rival sith. Maybe even sith ghosts. His suit being life support could also perhaps serve a function in this sense as keeping Vader on the edge of death on a state of living death, perhaps connecting him more to the force and giving him an ability to find and damage ghosts or perhaps serve as something of a force vampire. There's a lot that can be done with darth vader ultimately.
Ladidadida who cares about lore or anything. I bet your a big of fan of Kenobi and the new movies too
@@prestonphillips6710 ummm most of the fan base cares about the lore, plus the new movies throw away all that lore and storytelling from the OG's, thats why most people hate them.
Imagine LOTR withough dwarves and elves, imagine Harry Potter without Hogwarts, thats all lore.
Speaking of LOTR thats why people are getting mad at there new amazon LOTR show, its because there are now black elves, which is a major issue considering the fact that THEY DON'T EXIST in lore, at all.
So if you care about good world building, you kinda need to respect the lore.
If not, vader could be revived and than get killed by ray in the next movie. The only thing stopping them is the respect the fanbase holds towards the lore. Like with palpatine coming back, everyone hated that because it spat on the lore and the story that was told before it.
god i'd love that!
I feel Vader would have flourished had he been trained by a different Sith Lord. Palpatine may be powerful in the force, but despite his cunning, he's shown repeatedly to be one of the biggest fools in the series, being his own demise several times across both continuities. Vader would probably have been a far better Sith had he been trained by someone like Exar Kun, who's spirit still resided in his tomb in Legends for several years after the Darth's death, or as another comment mentioned Darth Revan. In fact, had Revan's spirit been channeled by Kenobi to teach Anakin occasionally, he'd be a far more balanced user of the force, and would likely never have become Vader at all. He'd know enough of the dark side to see through Palpatine's deceptions and would have helped Windu defeat him.
C'mon, he was the best. Somehow, Palpatine came back!
Also palpatine taught vader very little
@@melvinn93 clone
Waht did vsder learn from sidious?
@@gamingrubix1722 Well, Vader learn....pain. That count, right?
I know Darth Plagieus originally wanted Count Dooku to be his apprentice. Imagine in a Twist that Plagieus and Dooku didn't die at the hands of Anakin and Sidious, and carried out the gran Sith plan with creating their version of the Empire. What would their combine Sith vision and Imperial Empire be like, would Sidious still go on to find and train Anakin to be his Ally?
i think then it would be a Maul and Savage dynamic
I think for this to take shape, Sidious would have to die. Plagieus would be aware of this and if he found out Sidious's intentions soon enough, he could have probably disposed of Sidious. But there also comes a problem in that Sidious was the puppet master Plagieus created. Disposing of him might remove Sidious as a competator, but it would also deplete the control they obtained over the Senate. So, in light of that... a few things would have to happen. First, Plagieus would need to reallucate the political power Sidious possessed into someone elses hands. A difficult task already when we consider that part of Sidious's success was hinged on being able to read the minds of the senators and determien their desires and how to fit it within his own agenda to keep their favor. It would need to be someone force sensative who was strong enough in skill to do the same thing.
Otherwise, they would have to back away from the Galactic Republuc completely and put their entire hope on the formation of the CIS/Sepertist Movement. The clone wars might still happen as long as the right pieces were still in place, but we would not likely get order 66. Order 66 could only be inniciated by Sidious. (from what I understand it was his personal tough to the grand plan and he didn't tell anyone who didn't need to know about order 66 until he had to include it as a emergency order to deal with rogue Jedi) So either Order 66 would be impossible to issue or they would have to modify the plan to make up for the death of Sedious.
Anakin would probably still play into the grand plan, but I don't think it would be as messed up as what Sedious did. From what I have heard of Plagieus aned Count Dooku, neither of them were as obcessed with the Jedi's distruction per-say. Especially Dooku. My bet is that Anakin would somehow be drawn to the Dark Side still and Dooku would probably be the one to pull at him. How that would happen is the only part I am not sure of. The only thing I can think of is that Dooku and Anakin would have to be put into a situation either willingly or unwillingly where Anakin would have to listen to Dooku about the failures of the Jedi Order and his desire to rebuild a new order for a better tomorrow, which is exactly what Anakin invisioned in Attack of the Clones before the Clone Wars began. He had his own fustrations with the Senate and Jedi both. Fustrations Dooku could relate too and Plagieous could make use of.
At this this is my understanding so far on how it might go. I am confident though for it to play out Sedious would HAVE to die. He would not be left alive to assume power.
@@christopherpoet458 I feel that if Sidious were to die then Maul would not have been dispatched and then Qui Gon would have lived which brings about the age old fan theory timeline that if Qui Gon lived Anakin would have flourished into the Chosen One that the Jedi had initially envisioned.
@@Iheartthebass maybe. Plagieous did know maul existed after all.
Plagueis had a problem, he was the master, that would eventually led to his death at the hands of Dooku or the latter and Anakin combined. Now up to destroying hundreds of Jedi for your future plans, which ain't going to happen, remember, the clone army is owned by the Republic and since Sidious isn't there anymore, Anakin and Dooku need to find another way to activate order 66 which is going to be more flawed than Sidious' plans.
I think even Bane would have come to despise Sidious in the end. Bane only sought out a way of cheating death as he believed Zannah would never prove herself. Sidious did it to rule forever.
That story of those Jedi going mad and killing all of their apprentices after seeing Vader, or rather, the downfall of the Jedi at the hands of "a Padawan" and then that one Jedi actually seeing Vader and being shook at the sight, gives me chills. Even back then, Vader commanded fear. Would love to see that in live-action. I'm just imagining that vision. All they see is the Jedi being wiped out, not by who or by what, but then they hear Vader's breathing followed by Palpatine's laugh...
I wouldn’t include palpatine’s laugh. Just vader’s breathing. It’d be far more ominous
This padawan purge was order 66 or anakins dark side turn?
@@jaemajor No this was during the high Republic era I think, so long, long before Vader and Sidious were even born. I'm talking centuries
@@theunderdog9353 that’s what I love about start wars😂 wrapping my head around the timeline of events. Sparks so much conversation
@@jaemajor True. I also doubt this story would be half as good if it was like, 10 years before Order 66 or something. The fact that it is centuries before either of them are even born adds to the sigmificance of Order 66 in the first place. It was forseen centuries ago and probably even longer. The Chosen One prophecy has been around simce the days of the earliest Jedi Philosophers and that was also refering to Anakin
I read about the old sith lords. None of them had any room to talk. The goal was always the same, the only thing that changed was the theory, and it was always a failure. The cycle would always continue. The jedi would rise, get complacent, nearly, but not quite get wiped out by the sith. The sith would then rise, get complacent, then, nearly, but not quite get wiped out by the jedi. And the cycle would start again. The chosen one was supposed to break this cycle, by wiping them both out (bringing "balance" to the force), but it wasn't really pleasant for him. Great video. Thanks.
well said
@@thechosenone8133 Thanks.
It's beyond refreshing to see others who saw the pattern
and this is why i hate the last 3 movies, anakin finally fullfilled the prophecy at the end of return of the jedi, just for the first order to rise and makes it seem like the whole chosen one and the prophecy just null and pointless if it was going to happen all over again
@@Michael-ve4vo agreed
Maybe this is just me and looking at things in the past... but when you have hundreds of jedi running around, and basically no sith, and you have 1 guy thats the "chosen one" and he'll bring "balance to the force", its hard to believe that no one thought for a second that he could completely level the jedi order and bring "balance" by putting them on par with the sith (at least in regards to their numbers).
I think the skywalker's bring chaos the the force (which it needs) to feed both sides of it, too stale and one pops up it's just a coincidence that they chose to base a comic/novel/tv show/movie/etc at that time
Anakin fulfilled his destiny and Destroyed the Sith and the Jedi and brought Balance to the force.
Unfortunately Qui-Gon died who was a grey jedi and could have trained Anakin to use both powers responsibly.
to be honest the only Sith Lord Palpatine and Vader would have had to concern themselves with is Bane, on account Bane is the only Sith Lord who is stronger than them both. He is also teh Sith Lord that would hate them the most, Due to Palpatine the rule of 2 failed. Bane betrayed his masters and students because he realized arrogance and acts of self grandeur were killing the sith. To many people believed themselves more important than the Sith Empire, and as result it lead to infighting and self destruction. His whole plan with the Rule of 2 was to practice patience. While only 2 Sith exist they would constantly combat each other, and be at each others throats, In turn this made self preservation important, in order to survive in the order of 2 you must always get stronger and better. The role of master and apprentice was two fold, the master taught the apprentice, but they both kept each other capable of conflict to the highest ability. But while all this happened, the Jedi, without any meaningful enemy that could realistically threaten them would grow weak. their use of the force would default to supportive rather than combative, their ability to duel with lightsabers would fall apart since they would primarily fight blasters, this was shown really well in the prequels, when Obi Wan and Anakin fought Count Doku, If it were not for Palpatine Doku would have won, because he was far more practiced in combat both force and lightsaber on lightsaber combat. At that point the Jedi no longer knew how to fight a dark force user, look at Quigon and Maul, a basic trained darkside user was able to kill a Jedi Master with little to no effort all because they were out of practice. These things should have cemented in Palpatine that the rule of 2 was working. But instead, His pride kicked in. Sheev Palpatine was a ignorant self idolizing fool. He broke the rule of two because he believed himself superior, He could not stand the idea of being just another Sith Lord who would die in obscurity, thus the "Tragic story of Plagius the wise" His master as wise and powerful as he was, died, unkown to anyone. Palpatine refused, he broke the rule of two, underestimated the Jedi's remaining strength, and revealed the existence of the Sith FAR to early. The moment he had Maul make his move the Jedi knew the Sith were back, The moment they saw Doku they knew the sith were hiding. This ultimatly lead to Palpatine being discovered by the order. Even after Anakin saving him, He again underestimated them. Order 66, grand and quick, but ultimately it failed, Jedi felt it coming, and Jedi survived. And in order to hunt them, He built up a order of assassins lead by his apprentice and sent them out to hunt and kill the remnants of the Jedi. Bane if alive, would have killed Palapatine if he was his apprentice, he would have realized Palpatines ego was a threat to the survival of the sith. Generations of progress destroyed because one idiot could not follow the one simple rule. "One master, One Apprentice. If you take and Apprentice, Ill kill you and your apprentice, If I take another apprentice, you must kill me and mine."
Sith: Spend millenia trying to control the galaxy.
Darth Vader: Ruins it by saving his son from the Emperor and killing the Emperor.
Sith: _____________________
Last time I was this early, Princess Leia was still a part of the Empire and not a traitor
I prefer the Rule of One, it allows for many dark underlings but only one True Master. No one will ever become powerful enough to defeat the Sith Lord as they will merely be nothing more than Dark Jedi.
What makes ir the rule of one? Not teaching the sith way to anyone but oneself?
This also harkens back to the days when you would have many weaker Sith team up to defeat a much more powerful Sith thus making subsequent Sith less powerful.
@@MrMentaliamorphic It’s really more every one else are just pawns of the Sith Lord. It lets the Sith Lord Rule openly with a bunch of underlings who even if they teamed up with still be too weak to challenge him but they won’t because they are loyal zealots who rather the fallowing the code of the Sith seek only the betterment of their master and his Empire. Basically you need someone like Revan or the guy who created the Rule of One for this to work. The Rule of One at the End of the Day is basically a Cult set up.
@@MrMentaliamorphic
keep all sith knowledge,teachings, and secrets to yourself and you are also immortal as well so no need for sith apprentice to be your successor and your replacement.
just have dark jedi/dark side adept minions as your expandable servants.
Favorite ancient sith: Darth Malak, Darth Malgus and Darth Bane or Vitiate. Gotta see more of The Old Republic in canon.
HORD
But have you ever considered how strong Vader would have been in the dark side of the force, if he had trained on the beach? All that sand would bring unimaginable hate.
I love the idea that the sith we commonly think of are nothing like the ancient sith. ancient sith obsessed over destruction and hatred, but modern sith obsess of control and fear
Look at when Luke had to work with a band of sith that had been isolated from the rest of the universe for centuries. One whole ship of the sith had messed up and were sacrificed to allow for the rest of the group to carry on going after abeloth. They were so different than the current sith, because the current sith would do some back alley deal, where the old school ones don't care.
Fun fact about the actor that played vader in a new hope:
He act turned off the lights before entering the room they were originally on and he turned them off b/e he wanted to make more of a sith lord impact and he nailed it...
I feel bad for anakin he was being hated both jedi and sith he was literally a eternal slave.
Obi wan and Qui gon are the only ones who really believed in Anakin.
The rule of two was far to grand an idea for the ancient sith lords. The ancient sith lords were doomed to fail because of their lack of seeing the jedi as worthy adversaries, an error the Emperor didn't make.
"An error the emperor didn't make"
Jum.... both death stars blew up and the emperor was on one of the at the time. The actions of Luke (a jedi) caused this. Your comment is silly
@@cephydash1533 He still sees them as lesser than him.
The emperor didn’t make the rule of two tho, soooooooooooo……what are you trying to say?
@@nawhteven3830 Sidious was a fool for turning the rule of 2 into rule of 1 by not training Vader and treating Vader as just the grand grand inquisitor instead of a true sith apprentice, I bet if sidious actually taught Vader about the dark side and made him more powerful, he’d have never turned to the light, instead he treats Vader like an attack dog
The reason the sith failed was because of infighting and not only did they have to watch their back they had to worry about jedi. You can see this in SWTOR Sith Lord he destroyed his master with all the connections but because he was weak he was killed.
The ancient sith were foolish since they thought of the Jedi as simple beings that are to be destroyed. The smart thing to do is to study your enemies and learn everything about them that way you can make a precise, calculated, and elusive plan to tear them apart from the inside. That’s just my opinion though.
And then when you realise palpatine corrected that mistake in the prequels
@@Anonymous-yq6wy for real
thats your uncle talking.
@@phoenix21studios lmao🤣
Mitth'raw'nuruodo: To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art.
I freakin' hate Disney... They've completely ignored "Legends". Ancient sith; Sith empire; One sith eras etc... Wouldn't have been more enjoyable to see Luke running a new jedi "order" as grandmaster? Caedus story, instead of kYlo rEN? Ideology of the one sith? Badass Kyle Katarn in action? See ancient sith spirits? 😩
Other topic:
I wanna see a duel between Tulak Hord and Krayt!
Katarn would be insane to watch, and it would be great to see a tibute to Jason Court’s great work in almost single-handedly making Katarn so memorable.
Kylo was the best part of the sequels imo. Seemed like last jedi was setting up Kylo establishing his own kind of dark side rule that would differ than what we knew before, then Abrams took the lazy route and brought back the emperor. Out of all the sequel characters Kylo is at least the most complex and interesting. He was an unstable element that made you wonder what he was going to do next. I agree though Luke being a master would have been more entertaining. I don't mind him feeling regretful and a lot of pain after losing Kylo to the dark side but seeing Rey get proper training would have been so much better.
@@Deadflower20xx You've got a point, but i have to disagree. Personally, i think he's character is lame. Why would i say that? Disney made Kylo an attention seeking emo boy, who destroys everything, if they prove him wrong. This could've work, if they made him like Sion. Disney made him this way, cuz there're a lot of kids out there who have to deal with the same issues as the character, so these kids could relate. The redemtion arc was the tipical Disney shit. Bad boy needs to become good to get the girl.
In the end he wasn't a jedi or dark jedi. He became a grey jedi. He was willing to use dark side force abilities and embrace the dark side for the greater good.
Ressurecting Sidious was a bad move, yes, but it wasn't the only reason why we hated the sequel movies. There wasn't any interesting character in the sequel to be honest, but it's just my opinion.
u should watch the mandalorian
u should watch the mandalorian
Great video. What is the name of the outtro song? It was very nice.
What music track are you using in the background of this video (and many others)?
I know that Disney has to stay somewhat family friendly, but I would love some premium content solely about Vader so that we could see his true evil and how powerful he really was.
Uhhhhh…did you even watch Kenobi and Rogue one?
@@moart87 of course and what we saw was great.i just want Vader to have more screen time. The good guys/rebellions are always the main focus. I would like to see Vader, front and center. Running the show!
I’d love to see a movie or TV series that is centered on the Sith in general. It’d probably be rated R though
Man literally force choked multiple people in rogue one and strangled a kid and an old man to death in kenobi 🤣🤣
@@fuckyoutube1999 exactly we need more of that
had Anakin never been felled by Obi-Wan on Mustafar, he would have been so powerful that not even Exar Kun could have done anything to fight him 1-on-1. what eventually did lead to Vader's fall, and then subsequently Palpatines fall, was that Plapatine was prepared to be the only one standing, and he would never accept otherwise. yes, the Dark Side was strong with Palpatine, butit never chose him to be it's main host so to speak, as he himself believed while waiting on Exagal. and that is why he, even with the power he commanded, ultimately failed and was killed once and for all by his own blood, which is quite fitting once you think about it. the blood you once thought was immortal and unbridled in terms of power was your own undoing. quite Poetic, if i might say so myself.
I remember (not necessarily right, some time that I see that comic) that Lord Mauman (?) did critiqued his understanding of dark side. He said that his master (Palpatine) was keeping him in ignorance and misunderstanding of dark side willingly or because his own ignorance. He was saying something about serving/following will of dark side (which seems to be little different from typical Sith doctrine), so maybe there were ideological differences between them about force, that they hated and didn't acknowledged Vader as true Sith.
What is the name of the track used for this video at 5:00 ? I LOVE IT.
One thing I’m confused about. If Sidious and Plaguies tried forcing the midichlorians to create life, and the retaliatory response of the force was to create Anakin, then how were the visions even possible in the past? Unless the force somehow knew Sidious and Plagueis would try to create life?
Vader was always suppose to be. He was to bring balance. Anakin was born with no father. Meaning he would of been born regardless.
@@jesse_colewhen he killed the Jedi
...because hes not what many sith would call sith. He a fallen or dark jedi more than a sith.
can anyone please tell me the name of the background music that starts at 4:59?
The Stupendous Wave what music you use for backround ?
Unpopular Opinion: Darth Sidious was the strongest sith to ever exist at least in terms of accomplishments. While Vader was just becoming a dark lord, Sidious had literally designed a 10D level master geopolitical plan, established essentially a self-dictatorship and basically killed 99% of the Jedi. This was all achieved before Vader was even Vader. If you really think about it, Vader was really just a highly skilled henchman (not much different than Darth Maul who had to fight scores of actual Jedi). Vader had the entire might of the consolidated military power of the galaxy and was going up against all non-force using beings. That would be like Lebron James playing against a 5th grader.
I get that Vader gets special attention because the lore that was discussed in the originals was “highest midiclorian count” and “the chosen one,” but in terms of accomplishments Sidious achieved like 100x more for the sith goals.
A lot of that was set up by people before him. He just happened to be the right apprentice to graduate to master at the right time.
In terms of power and overall Sith learning, Vitiate/Valkorion/Tenebrae is the strongest Sith having been trained in the ways of the Dark Side by Marka Ragnos himself
That hurts. But I see your point
The Sith's downfall is they do not understand the lesson of The Ring of Gyges, Plato discussed a magic ring that made one invisible, actually made you immune to the consequences of your actions. Plato through his character Glaucon asks whether any man can be so virtuous that he could resist the temptation of this power.
Socrates answers that the man who abused the power of the Ring of Gyges has in fact enslaved himself to his appetites.
The Sith speak of freedom, but are enslaved by their appetites. The Jedi speak of control, but many follow laws/rules imposed by others out of fear of punishment and not from incorporating it into their own internal moral code. The Sith are slaves, and the Jedi are the classic Nietzschian Untermensch.
As an aside, an Ubermensch does not disregard all rules and laws, they may incorporate them into their own code, which they follow. If an Ubermensch sees a sign 'School Zone Speed Limit 25 mph/40 kph' he doesn't scoff and say I am above such laws, he might think, that's actually a good idea: kids darting out in front of me, parents driving distracted, I shall henceforth drive 25 mph through this school zone barring greater considerations. And will do so near religiously. The Untermensch drives 25 mph through a school zone to avoid a traffic ticket.
The problem with the Untermensch is that where the laws/rules are removed, they fall also into the trap of the Ring of Gyges because they have no internal code to fall back on. So the few Grey Jedi who were masters of themselves, followed their internal code of morality were the only ones who were true to themselves. They could be killed but they were Force-wise on better footing.
I like this. It's a bit like how long time standing business can still be successful with new owners/CEO's but still quite different from the past. I work at a small business that is successful and I've been there off and on since 2003 and the current iteration of it is quite different.
What is the name of the track from 5:00 to 9:00? Is this Sith Meditation music?
Its Amazing how one mans ideas and creativity put on paper with ink n a book can make such an impact in our lives as in society in general I mean every 1 knows stars wars at least by name even if u didn't read the books or watch the movies. the idea to b able to turn ink into something worth more than gold itself is amazing I mean I'm not even a writer but respect to George Lucas man straight up made a entire universe.
These stories truly teach us more about life and humanity than most people give them credit for.
Ancient Sith Lords are wrong about the dark side as evidenced by Bane's Rule of Two being successful and that the Sith needed to change if they were to survive.
It's problematic if it's Rule of Two or having various classes of Sith w/wo an empire. It's harder to control many Sith but there's more warrriors to fight with in a conflict. They love turning on each other with both styles of governance so it'd make more sense with Rule of One or Two.
All the power in the world would be worthless if they kept using it on each other.
@@AdeptKing No. Not particularly. This is how the sith evolve. When they are in a power struggle the strongest ones will survive. Then someone even stronger will rise to take their place and so forth.
The rule of two failed. Sidious tried getting rid of it but failed
Funny thing is the Jedi were also wrong.
You know they really did accurately display Vaders Saber Forms Djem So and Juyo.
Blaster Bolt Deflection and Pure Aggression
Can someone tell me what is the music playing in the background please?
Videos like this is why I advocate for more darth vader content. He is an absolute unit and monster to the galaxy and jedi and sith feared him from even centuries prior. Yet we've seen so little of vader and what he does. Hate that the popular opinion that most people have is that the whole saga is about him so we don't need more. There's 20+ years of vader and it deserves more content.
bruh, they did just do Obi Wan..... who knows who or what the next Star Wars series after Ahsoka, is going to be about....
More Disney Wars 🤢
@@ProvenJade Okay? All I'm saying is we need more vader when there's barely any
@@ChocolateCylon I'm not a fan of Disney canon either but it's happening no matter what. Might as well hope for something you personally want to see.
Out of all the sith in my opinion Vader and darth nihilus are the most terrifying. Nihilus is basically an eldrich being and Vader is an unstoppable monster and the strongest force user Hence him being the chosen one.
Was Vader actually stronger than Nihilus, I thought Nihilus could consume entire planets.
Aint Nihilus the one who resurrect himself.
@@thejerrykitcher6667 vader was held back by the suit.
@@thejerrykitcher6667 Ignoring a certain company own by some magical mouse, Nihiuls is capable of consuming planet worth of lives like he's in space buffet as mentioned in KOTOR II. Don't know about Vader being capable of achieving similar planet level feat but MAYBE if he has his full natural body.
@@taylorgoddard5741thats completely wrong
We need more of Anciet Sith and Jedi having visions of Vader and what they felt
What is the background music?
Weakness was sand and high ground 😂
Pretty sure it's because the ancient Sith were famously big fans of sand.
I remember parts of this. It it was in the Dark Horse comics cross over with 4 of the Star Wars titles.
I've seen the clip at 5:30 before, but I've never found out what it's from. Is that Darth Talon? Wookieepedia says the only non-comic things she's appeared in are the mobile game, and the canceled Maul game. I can't find that clip as appearing in either.
She is a part of the star wars the old Republic cinematic called "the twins"
He was literally too good for them.
I think Palpatine is the true sith lord in here, not Vader because we are never able to see Vader seeking power, aside that one time he wanted to save Padme. Yes, Vader got power thru all his quests Palpatine sent him but he never went after it by himself. Anakin was having visions of his mother in suffering and no one besides Padme tried to help him somehow (very Jedi like huh?!), was this because he had to detach from his mother? I imagine Shmi and Anakins mother and son connection being stronger than the normal person, because of the way Anakin was created, without a father and all and he sensed her in danger, without a single soul to help him deal with it or going after Shmi. Anakin was a pawn to the light side, same way he was a pawn to the dark side. Lets say Vader didn't die and killed Luke and Leia, what would he do? I never saw Vader or Anakin wanting something and going after it, besides family business. It seems Palpatine wanted to rule forever, abandoning the rule of two but sometimes he said he had foresaw Vader killing him and ruling over the galaxy. Palpatine sought power and acquired it, by using everything and everyone available to him. I say Palpatine never had a true apprentice, one who like him, sought the power of his master. Vader shows fear/hate towards Palpatine but I didn't see Vader wanting Palpatines power. Palpatine put himself in a place very hard to be taken over and even if he didn't follow the rule of two, the apprentice who were able to kill him and take his place would be stronger and wiser than lots of sith lords and jedis from the past. The way SW shows it, Palpatine uses apprentices as tools and he is very good in controlling this tools. Despite all that, apprentices have free will and eventually someone would seek any kind of forbidden knowledge, perhaps unknown by Palpatine and that could help in the fight between Palpatine and his apprentice. Building a sith empire means nothing compared to what Palpatine did and achieved. Focusing the dark side of the force in fewer individuals seems to be more effective than having a sith empire with free willed individuals.
6:10 yy I remember that from comic books
What's the background soundtrack called
The old Sith were traditionalist! And if my memory serves me right… there was a “race” of beings that were called Sith and then there was a group who identified as Sith but in the sense that they practiced that way of life or rather force users of the way of the “Sith”…. If that’s true then I can definitely see why an ancient Sith wouldn’t like Vader.
How would ancient sith Lords even know about vader?
It was said in the video they had visions about him
You must be new here
you under estimate their power
They had the high ground. Also convoluted bad writing
@@theophrastusvonhoenheim4022 lol I see what you dod
I want to see movies on what happened when to anikin if he was trainned by quigongin or however u spell it
Where can I find this music from?
You said that the ancient Sith Lords believed that as darth Vader he was still the chosen one, and then add they were wrong, but darth Vader did fulfill the prophecy by killing sidious. So the ancient siths were right
Disney needs to make a VADER series about everything you’re talking about
It Will be mid Just like kenobi so no thanks lol
I just recently got into the Star Wars books all of this history is it based on the books or comics?
whats the outro music?!?!?
I must disagree with your opening statement, r2-d2 was the most influential character by far.
My personal belief is the original ideology of Je’daii was the only true path so of course I believe the Sith were foolish in their choice to disregard the Jedi however I also agree with Ancient Sith Lords that Darth Bane’s Rule of 2 was mistake especially considering the cowardice that Sidious used to control people by hiding his identity even after the Jedi were long dead like the Ancient Sith Lord mentioned in the comic Sidious and Vader should’ve been proud of the Dark side instead of the way they were.
In the end both the Ancient and current Sith made a critical mistake when concerning the Jedi that led to the Sith ultimate defeat in the current Era.
Sidious is not coward, he is a pragmatic cynical politician. He was not an almighty god (despite the bullshits shown in episode 9) and had to be smart and practical. Sidious is not at fault if the Sith were only 2 (so totally overpowered by Jedi, he was forced to hide and be smart). Even after he took control over the galaxy, he could not show up and just say: "hey the truth is i'm an evil sith, I manipulated all of you bitches to take control of the galaxy, now bow to me bastards hahahaha". He had to remain smart and practical to secure and keep his power (he was powerfull but not almighty and could have been overthrown easily if not for being smart and secure his power with political control and manipulations like Stalin did for exemple). The dark side was only some tool that helped him to secure his goal, but he achieved everything he did mainly thanks to his political manipulations, not thanks to his use of the dark side. To me, Sidious remains a real Sith (unlike someone like Bane for exemple). Sidious uses the dark side to serve his own personnal interest (rule over the galaxy) but it's only a tool among many other tools (military, death star, political manipulations). Bane was a servant a dark side instead of using the dark side to serve his personnal interests ("I must hide, raise an apprentice that will surpass me and kill me, to make the dark side stronger"... I mean wtf???). A true Sith is supposed to use the dark side to serve himself, not use himself to serve the dark side.
what gets me is that palpatine himself broke the rule of two, having maul and dooku as his apprentice at the same time i assume? wasnt too sure how the timeline between phantom menace and clone wars was
Watch tales of the Jedi he got dooku after maul was chopped in half
6:12 who is this golden armor character?
Honestly, the Rule of Two is what ultimately weakened and destroyed the Sith. Better to have 10,000 soldiers infighting to become Emperor than to have 2-3 Sith fighting a foe (Jedi) that do not honor this rule of two. This would anger Old Republic Sith.
Plus, Palpatine did not respect the rule of two, and he used and abused his padawans to secure power for himself, rather than for the master and the apprentice. This would make the post-Bane Sith hate him and Vader. If Vader would've been properly trained by a true Sith master BEFORE being sent to fight a Jedi master, the results would've been unrecognizable compared to what actually happened. Palpatine should've taken Anakin away from the Jedi, instead of using him to spy and take out the Jedi from the inside. Five years of hard Sith training, and Vader would've annihilated Obi Wan and the Jedi order while remaining fully intact.
Hard disagree on the rule of two there. The Sith have never come so close to total victory over the light as the reign of Sidious. The results speak for themselves.
Sidious didn't send Vader to fight Obi-Wan... He was sent to kill separatist leaders, it's Obi-Wan that found him. Sidious didn't expect at all that Vader would lose and would be crippled against Obi-Wan and more important: that he would have to fight him in the first place. Yoda warned him: "Faith in your new apprentice misplaced may be".
I think Sidious was strongly deceived by Vader failure against Obi-Wan and then totally changed his way to perceive Vader (his new genious apprentice that was supposed to surpass everyone became a trash tool). In ROTS Sidious really believed Vader would overpower him and become the strongest sith ever (that's my opinion, I may be wrong) but then changed his mind after Vader failure. His saddistic behavior against Vader shows how deceived he is.
Then why didnt the old sith win. Checkmate.
The rule of two didn't exclude dark side soldiers though did it? Sidious and Vader actively cultivated dark side users, they were just the most powerful. So realistically it wouldn't have made much difference. Furthermore, it isn't the role of the Master to care about their apprentices, if the apprentice is not skilled or powerful enough to kill the Master then they don't deserve to become the master. That's literally the entire point.
I always thought that Luke was the real chosen one, but that power was also reflected through his farther Vader which led both the sith and the jedi to make a mistake and think it was Anikin.
Guessing this is maybe about Sith Force Ghosts expressing their displeasure?
Or did they see the future and hate oh what they saw?
I always thought the "Rule of two" was shortsighted and kind of dumb.
I'm actually impressed with the Rule of Two and how persistant every single generation of Sith Lord in keeping it for 1000+ years until ol Sidious went "To hell with this plan, I'm in charge! I can do whatever I want! What's old fart like Bane gonna do? Nag me?"
Why would ancient Sith Lords hate Sidious,he was Never a Jedi..
He hated the Jedi,it was his ultimate plan to destroy the Jedi order
Explained in the video. Sidious acknowlegded the power of the jedi, while the ancient sith looked down upon them. In the old republic era sith (not everyone of them, but most of them) had tunnel vision, which was eliminate the jedi at all cost, even if that means their death. Sith refuse to see the jedi's way (their tactics) and the reason why they've failed. On the other hand Sidious abused it and succeeded.
The sith never liked anyone though. Did they?
If Vader had been trained by Revan and mastered both the light and dark side like revan then he would be basically unstoppable like Revan
What books do I get too start my reading journey about this?
This is a story that's already 100 times better than anything we've gotten lately lol.
Funny enough, my name is Cade. To hear there is a Skywalker in Star Wars Legends sharing my first name, makes me proud. If it were me me as Skywalker, I'd keep a red lightsaber as my primary blade with blue being my 2nd primary blade. And maybe purple as my 2rd primary blade.
2rd?
@@ked49 2nd! Damnit!
for '2nd primary' i think you mean 'secondary', i could be wrong though
@@challing1389 Tomato Tom-matto.
7:57 song name?
How could ancient Sith Lords hate someone who isn’t even born yet given the fact there ancient in compared to Vader
Ancient Sith* Hate Vader because he was a Jedi
Dooku in the corner* Hehe
The rule of two is shit. Power struggles between the sith is what makes them evolve and become stronger and ultimately superior, but their arrogance gets the best of them.
The problem was you could end up with a number of weaker Sith banding together to kill a more powerful Sith and then all you have it weak little punks rather than truly powerful Master's... One of the reasons for the rule of two. But then there is the problems with the rule of two as well. Problem is The DarkSide is destructive... Even to it's followers.
You're right they were "more" powerful, but what did they do with that power? Destroyed each other rather, than their enemies. Old era sith were fuckin' dumb. Ancient sith and sith empire were chaotic evil (destroyed everything in their way, inculding each other), while the Bane era aka Rule of two were more lawful evil (rule over them, rather than destroy, harness their fear and despair).
@@eyl0rien61 it was kinda a mixed bag
Especially if you go through the games like the Kotor Series and Old Republic to see the numerous Sith in them
You have most of the obnoxious brats and overcompensating twits you meet in the Academy in Korriban in both Kotor 1 and Old Republic
Then you have some of the more honorable and decent ones as time goes on from both sides with decent characterizations like Malgus, Revan, Marr, Lana, Praven, and to a degree Zash
@@arashitendou5941 I mean you're right, but these sith/dark jedi what you're talkin' about, were the minority. I mean their ideology. Most sith couldn't see trhough their rage, anger. hatred. Reason why certain inviduals like you've listed were lords. They could control it to a certain point, so they were able to mix it with tactics; strategy; deception and such. Reason why we love for example Revan. He was a master mind, when it came to decision making! Not, becuz he was the most powerful force user. He was, above medicore, than most sith lords, don't get me wrong he was powerful.
@@eyl0rien61 I think a big part of reason to believe in Revan’s power was the fact he never truly lost
Every lose he suffered was from outside influences that he could not stop and cowardly attacks
He looked to be all but fine with taking on Bastila and her boarding party of like 5 or 6 other Jedi…and then Malak shot his ship’s bridge safely from his own battleship a large distance away
Even both their one on one confrontations weren’t fair to Revan since the first one he was still recovering his memories and lost skills as a Jedi and Sith and having also suffered previous torture from Saul and fighting through the ship
The second fight on the Star Forge is pretty much the first one but replace the torture with even MORE opponents including numerous Sith and a Dark Side Bastila…and then there’s his cheap healing tactic of stealing life force from vegetable survivors from Dantoonie
Malak was a coward through and through
When Revan faced the Emperor in his Old Republic novel is credited to losing because Wrath literally killed the Exile and then stabbed him in the back instead of aiding him in the final push, just because he saw The Jedi Knight Protagonist being the destined defeater of the Emperor instead
While it’s likely he’d still have lost, most descriptions point to that betrayal being the turning point to that lose more then anything
Using the force to see into the future is dangerous. Yoda the gradmaster and wisest jedi knew this and thats why he told anakin to not worry about padme. These masters failed their padawan
There were so much Jedi and only 2 Sith during Anakin's time. So, bringing the force to balance literally means killing many Jedi. But because of Sidious' plan to wiping all Jedi and all other force sensitives, Anakin as Vader "killed" Sidious.
Came full circle, the current Jedi didn’t give the sith the respect they deserved
When I watch Star Wars, I root for Darth Vader… one of the greatest antagonist of all times.
cringe
@@mihaimercenarul7467 OK
I'd say Momin misunderstands the Sith and the Dark Side, as do many of the older Sith. The Sith Code is one that preaches freedom and victory through strength and following your passions. There's nothing that says the Sith must be destructive. Also, the Sith have *always* been obsessed with the Jedi lol. Even their Code is a direct mockery of the Jedi's.
What scene is 0:25 from
6 seconds after upload
Being this early feels illegal
You are under arrest, sir. Please co-operate nicely.
We will make it legal
I have always wondered if none force sensetive could fall to the dark side having yellow eyes or could this only happen to those that could use the force?
Depends on the species, but mostly yes. Yellow eyes with pale skin with purple veins are the traits of the dark side.
It's like not every "red skin" species were force sensitive, but they had a potential. Like the sith pure blood. Red zabrak were super rare and Maul got tattoos from sidious (yes the red skin and the marks). Same happened with twil'eks and other species.
If you play swtor both force users & non force users get dark side corruption.
@@shaydowsith348 Its funny, this is exactly why I ask this. 🙂🙂 , but too me this would take away its my mystery. I think about the dark side being high, sure if a none force sensetive is corrupt by the dark side I guess they can have yellow eyes, but being force sensetive is like being double high.
@@shaydowsith348 I mean you are right. I might be wrong, about that one, but the reason behind that isn't, becuz bioware wanted to be fair with tech classes? I mean for cosmetic options.
When u so famous that people hate on u before u existed
“Why Carl Marx DESPISED Vladimir Putin”
LMAOO
I mean who wouldn’t hate a fascist oligarch but apples to oranges
yeah title is pretty clickbaitey, even though there’s documented stories in legends that has Vader talking to the sith spirits on Korriban and scoffing him off
I think the Sith have always forgotten one simple rule, those that are peaceful are peaceful by choice. Only someone that is capable of great violence can be truly peaceful, as only someone capable of great violence can choose to be peaceful. If you are incapable of great violence, then you are incapable of being anything other than harmless. The Jedi, while capable of great violence, choose peace where the Sith choose to give in to the violence.
What is the name of the ominous music always playing? Lol
Still waiting for a Star Wars what if series