Klim Ai-1 Airbag Vest Review
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- Klim Ai-1 Airbag Vest Review
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Get ready for action with the Klim Ai-1 airbag vest. Klim has constructed the Ai-1 with the same careful attention to detail that they bring to their other products, resulting in a technologically-advanced package. Fully wireless and tether-free, the Ai-1 can detect and inflate in under 60 milliseconds. Operating on subscription-based In&Motion, the Ai-1 connects with your smartphone. The Ai-1 protects the rider’s thorax, abdomen, spine and neck. Additional features include user-replaceable cartridges (3 deployments possible before the airbag needs a technical evaluation), 20+ hours of continuous battery life, 3 hour charge time, and an Integrated CE 2 certified static back protector. The Klim Ai-1 has a 5-star SRA rating and certified to CE prEN 17092-6. The Ai-1 is not intended for use off-road. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
The registration requirements, payment scheme, and app shenanigans are a joke. No thanks. 👎
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen as well.
Words right out of my mouth what a joke!
If you don't like the subscription plan, you can choose the regular plan for $ 399 and updates are included. It's up to you !
In&motion You’re right! I’ll definitely choose a different vendor!
@@inmotion1661 Once you include the extra fee the price is a few hundred more than the competitors, but it looks like it is competitively priced with other software (non-tether) based systems. I like the look of your solution but just not sure $800 - $900 is worth it compared to $600 for the Helite tethered system.
Oh yeah. In a crash, I totally want to be thinking to myself "Did I pay my subscription this month?" Definitely a pass for me.
OK, this is kind of weird for me to read. I do not agree with what you want to be thinking to yourself, but I do agree with the reason you state for it.
A subscription-based payment model for a physical piece of lifesaving safety equipment is incredibly stupid, and I would argue it's totally unethical.
I shouldn't have to pay a "licensing fee" or a monthly fee to keep a safety vest I physically purchased working. It's effectively extortion.
Imagine if car airbags only worked if the lease/financing payments were up to date.
For clarification this isn't your fault, RevZilla. I'm mad at the company that's making this. Klim should've just added the one-time licensing cost to the vest when it's sold rather than asking consumers to pay a subscription or activation fee.
That's why went with helite
I think revzilla is wrong - as I read it at the klim site, you have 2 options:
Buy it outright for a fair price
OR
Lease for $12/month with the option to stop and renew with the riding season, and then get a new bag after 3 years.
I've actually studied the system quite closely. First thing to know ! it’s possible to buy the complete system as a classic purchase. In this case, the price is 400$ for a vest and 400$ for the electronic part (total 800).
With this solution you have unlimited updates and 2 years warranty.
Regarding now the leasing options, the first advantage is that you have lower monthly (12$) or annual (120$) payments, This gives you the opportunity to wear a better airbag which you might not be able to buy in one go.
You are totally free, if you are not riding in the coming month, you can easily cancel your subscription. You also have premium services included, with unlimited warranty, which can come in quite handy for a security and electronic product, and even more when you compare this to the poor customer service from italian brands. Another thing to note is that you don't need to pay the subscription for your whole life. After 3 years, you can choose the buying option (100$) and become a full owner.
Even if I find the scheme very interesting, I did not choose this airbag because of that.
The main reasons were firstly for the comfort (did you try the others ? no way I can wear one of them all day).
Then the protection (neck and spine are covered, which is not the case with the tech air or dainese).
Also the possibility to recharge the system yourself for 100$ (vs 250$ by dainese or Alpi)
And finally, on the global performance of the system and the continuous updates (In&motion seems to have a big head start... as track and off road mode and the emergency call are already available in Europe).
Hope this will help you to draw your own comparison board.
@@anxiousappliance ok cool...that makes a little bit more sense.
i agree. if the automobile industry pulled something like this for safety features of a car they would be sitting in front of the supreme court. it's borderline criminal. they should just offer it at full price and take the money. just go for Helite. you dont need to charge it. it's competitive in pricing, and you dont have to worry about apps, cpu chips, or batteries failing..
Only a matter of time until Klim is sued when a vest doesn’t deploy because the riders subscription is a day overdue. “Sorry, we can’t save your life because you owe us $20”
How do you figure? It likely has in the ToS that the sub has to be maintained or the person will not get the full protection "in the event of a crash." Still a stupid fucking design, sounds like pay to play which is fucked up for bike airbags.
jayw900 doesn’t mean someone won’t try to sue.
There's a reason why car companies don't hook airbags into subscriptions.
Jesus, this is a real life loot box subscription item. And all along I thought this was a video game industry issue only...
We let several weeks with notifications and emails before disabeling the protection. The protection is never disabled while riding.
So, after reading @In&motion reply somewhere in the comments, it ends up being the same as if you were to buy one of the other, more expensive brands. The end result is the same $800, but for better technology. KLIM is just making it easier for those of us who cannot afford to fork out the $800 up front, to purchase something just as good or better. I mean, if you're gonna go with the one time payment up front anyway to avoid the subscription fee, and you can afford to do so, then good for you. But don't knock a product simply over a subscription fee you don't like. Putting the subscription and fee aside, does this product protect more, less, better or worse than the others? THAT is what we should be concerned about and THAT is what reviews are for.
The fact that you SHOULD send the vest in to have it checked after 3 deployment is great... They're just double checking the integrity for your safety. Helmets cost more and are NOT RECOMMENDED and DO NOT guarantee safety after just ONE crash.
I'm a HUGE Dainese fan... All I wear is Dainese. However, I believe the Dainese D-Air vest must be sent in after EVERY SINGLE DEPLOYMENT and costs somewhere up to $200 to reactivate each time. With Klim, you get 3 deployments before needing an inspection or refill. That's an even better selling point for me than the fact that it is tetherless, just like the Dainese, but without the steep reactivation fees... For someone who doesn't want to be tethered in the first place, this is huge!
Not everyone can afford really good gear, leathers or even an air vest to begin with. But for those of us who can, the monthly subscription shouldn't be a big deal in terms of cost, especially when it comes to protecting your life.
Car manufacturers don't charge for their airbags, this is true, but you're also in a cage with a steering wheel in front of you and you don't have a choice but to sit there and pray you didn't miss a recall notice for your airbag that may or may not save your life. Besides, there have been many cases where the airbag kills the driver, not the accident itself... how many cases have you heard of someone getting hurt while wearing an air vest... not as many.
Thank you Revzilla for this information. Makes it easier to choose the best vest for me.
I love RevZilla and don't hold you accountable, but you should have told Klim to pound sand.
*misses a payment on my vest*
Guess I'll just die
Why would anyone get this instead of Dainese's, Alpinestars' or even Helite's offers aside from brand loyalty? Ridiculous pricing scheme.
Because of the technology: In&motion is the company who has delivered the biggest number of smart airbags for motorcyclists. Our airbag system is the only one to get 5/5 at the SRA test. Our detection strategy is based on the biggest data biggest and fast-growing data base of more than 9 millions of miles collected on 10 000 real motorcyclists on track and on street use.
@@inmotion1661 Yeah sure. You're asking for at least 1/4 of the price more for a product that, even if it has a bigger data base, in a real world situation, does the exact same thing that premium brands offer for considerably less money. A bigger data base doesn't necessarily reflect on a better product. Besides, for what I could gather, most other airbags that are related to you are considerably cheaper, sometimes by more than half the price. So, unless you're saying this product is twice as safe as those, it makes even less sense to go with this one. Sorry, just comes across as pure greed.
@@lhefou Indeed, our systems are not the cheapest but we are convinced that they are offering the best mix of protection / comfort and evolution.
Having the biggest quantity of data is, fully agree, not a guarantee to have the best system but it's a key "raw material" for our data scientists to train and fine tune the detection strategies. Then, we are the biggest team of scientists and engineers fully dedicated on wearable airbags, so at the end, not the cheapest product but the best.
Please have a look on those testimonies: czcams.com/channels/BQEUOseNDk2Y4LYdYakGHw.htmlvideos .
It kind of is, but also isn't at the same time - I have a Helite Adventure Jacket and will be buying this for the tetherless feature. (Plus, it'll do racing soon.) My major gripe with other airbags is that they cover chest/back but forget about your neck. Does no good if you break your neck on impact, even if you have a good helmet, you know? Advantage over tether too is that it'll deploy without the cable, meaning you'll be covered in a low side. Downside is subscription but you can cancel it on your off-riding months from what I've heard. Pros and cons.
@@inmotion1661
You know what good that data base is if for any reasons a payment is delayed or canceled? Or if the battery dies, or if an update was fucked up (bugs can happen all the time), or if an update never happened etc.
A safety gear like this one should be simple as a stick, no fancy gadgets in it that will surely break sooner or later, despite the double/triple price of anything safer alternative on the market! This is just plain stupid!
Now this technology might be perfect on the track, where all circumstances are controlled to the max, but in real life situations, on mountain twisties and non metropolitan locations this technology will be as useless as hairdryer on the bottom of a swimming pool!
What a bad joke - Klim is dead for me - all credits lost with that payment scheme
miss a subscription payment.. jacket is like i’m sorry can’t help
Why all the updates? You would like to think the software is where it should be when you buy the jacket. No way i'd comfortably wear this without feeling like a crash-test dummy just so they get the software right.
In Klim's defense on the updates, the same concept goes for the Alpinestars and the Dainese airbag systems. They all require occasional firmware updates that help them perform better. Similar to how smart phones require an update every now and then, its not because they didn't work before but just so they can work better moving forward. - Pat
@@RevZilla But you don't charge extra for the updates (part of the updates are bugs from the developer side ) , it not how software works , this is a really weird tactic to down the initial price tag
@@RevZilla The whole updating of a life-saving vest "so that it works better" actually makes one (me, at least) more concerned about the original purchase than one should be. Did they not make the best airbag they could the first time? What if the "update" was buggy - could it then make an otherwise ok system unsafe? Raises more questions and doubt than such a system should in a rider's mind. Oh, and its ridiculous that any company would expect people to "subscribe" at more cost after purchase in order to have your safety "enabled". BTW, my vitriol is aimed at Klim. Love Revzilla.
In the subscription plan (rent) the price of the rental of the In&box is included.
Today In&motion has the biggest and fast-growing data base of more than 9 millions of miles collected on 10 000 real motorcyclists on track and on street use that's why 3 or 4 updates per year are useful, the system gets better: longer battery life (25 hours now), new detection mode, shorter detection time, etc.
@@inmotion1661 aaaaaand the user doesn't need to agree to an agreement of "take my personal data usage for free while your at it" type of thing? I mean how you build that AMAZING database of yours of 10k real motorcyclist on track and on street uh? tell me that your company actually hired that number of ppl for do in house testing and ill blow you lol. Lets be real, some1 in the comment said it best: on top of paying a sub fee your also using us (the users) as testers (Q.E.).
The price of the product prob already high enough as is, make things right and remove that sub fee or at the VERY LEAST make it optional, or better, if you taking our usage data make it so people who agree to that to get the updates for free. (although to be honest I still believe said updates should be for free ALWAYS as it's attach to the safety of the product)
So if I buy this with an expectation of getting 10 years out of it (a fair assumption) and I want to keep it up to date, it’s going to cost me $400 + $12p/m for 10 years (=$1440) $1840 for a vest. No thanks.
That's only if they continue support for that model, which most likely they will come out with a new one within 3-4 yrs and you will need to buy a new one for 400 or more bucks. I would also bet that there is a time limit on the "structural integrity" of it as well, like the 5yr old helmet rule.
After 3 years, you can buy the In&box and stop the lease.
Subscription service? On a vest! WTF? And Spurge says the airbag won't deploy until you've registered it!? Customers spend $400 to purchase a life saving piece of equipment and it doesn't work out of the box? What if you forget/refuse to renew the subscription? Does it stop working? This seems ripe for a class action lawsuit.
Oh gash darn I'm now dead because I forgot to pay a subscription fee for my life saving airbag vest
A garment with a paywall?!!!!! What is this world comming to. I'll take the Dainese vest thank you very much.
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Rent or Buy, you have the choice. If you don't like the monthly or yearly membership, you can choose the Regular plan ($399) paid once and still get all the updates for free.
@@inmotion1661 Choose to support companies that don't pull this shit if possible, because some day they will only have this as an option if they get too much support today.
Once I heard that subscription service, I said hello to the AirTech 5
Hit-Air vest for me. 529 on amz , great reflectivity, neck support, tailbone protection, made in Japan and used by their police. No electronics to have a fit when you crash, no batteries, no updates, no subscriptions (seriously Klim?). It has a tether and the CO2 canisters are about 40 dollars each. Never deployed, but always wear it when riding over my jacket. Have tried to walk off the bike MULTIPLE times without disconnecting it and it never went off (takes a little time to get the routine). I've been using it for 2 years / 15k miles and I'm very happy with it.
The detection and inflation time of tethered systems is much higher. In some accidents as collisions, tethered systems may be deployed too late
What a scam,their is plenty of other choices on the market.
Imagine how many they would have sold if they just charged the $400 only? Talk about fleecing the community.
We just want to offer various purchasing plan: Buy ($ 798 to get the full set and updates) or Rent ($12/month, cancel everytime) and a guarantee to have several years with a non-obsolete system.
@@Bredaxe I'm looking at an airbag vest now. I don't find the subscription that much of a problem or you just pay for the unlimited lifetime sub for $400. For a total of $800, it's in line with the other vests. The Dainese and Alpinestars are outrageous at $250-300 for canister replacement that you have to send to them. Helite is the only cheaper one but it's tether only, for now, and we don't know how well their electronic version will do. Also, theirs is outside of the jacket, which doesn't look as good but it definitely looks to be the best for safety.
@@inmotion1661 renting is one thing that you should not be able to do with a safety device. The airbags in my car do not turn off when I miss a payment. I get that you are only selling airbags, but I think that makes it worse. Good luck on the PR, you're going to need it.
@@pink3puppy but do you know that the airbags in a car are not guaranteed after 10 years ? With In&motion we want to keep the system up-to-date until you stop using it.
Dystopian AF.
Klim needs to rethink their collaboration agreements. Why in the world would anyone purchase an airbag vest that does not function without a yearly subscription? It doesn't make sense.
The subscription service is there purely to bring the initial outlay down. You can pay for it outright at the start if you want.
Imagine it updating while you're crashing because you're crashing close to home or a public wifi
"it may take some time to install updates, please don't turn off your device"
Too bad you can't hit reset button after it hangs on "BSOD" while mid-air.
In fairness to Klim on this one, you need to be connecting to a Wifi that you previously approved the unit to connect with. So it won't just hop on a public wifi but if you get hit in your driveway, that might be something to consider. However, you can turn this feature off if you are afraid of that type of scenario. - Pat
@@RevZilla He specifically said close to home. A wi-fi that would be approved. Klim fumbled the ball on this big time. They're going to lose a generation of riders over this bullshit. Should have just charged $800 for it and been done with it.
@@BikesNThings Indeed, if you don't like the membership plan, you can buy the full set for $798 and get the updates included.
@@RevZilla you people have zero morals or ethics if you're going to copy/paste this bullshit. It's clearly a written PR bit from the company paying you to do this review.
I've actually studied the system quite closely. First thing to know ! it’s possible to buy the complete system as a classic purchase. In this case, the price is 400$ for a vest and 400$ for the electronic part (total 800).
With this solution you have unlimited updates and 2 years warranty.
Regarding now the leasing options, the first advantage is that you have lower monthly (12$) or annual (120$) payments, This gives you the opportunity to wear a better airbag which you might not be able to buy in one go.
You are totally free, if you are not riding in the coming month, you can easily cancel your subscription. You also have premium services included, with unlimited warranty, which can come in quite handy for a security and electronic product, and even more when you compare this to the poor customer service from italian brands. Another thing to note is that you don't need to pay the subscription for your whole life. After 3 years, you can choose the buying option (100$) and become a full owner.
Even if I find the scheme very interesting, I did not choose this airbag because of that.
The main reasons were firstly for the comfort (did you try the others ? no way I can wear one of them all day).
Then the protection (neck and spine are covered, which is not the case with the tech air or dainese).
Also the possibility to recharge the system yourself for 100$ (vs 250$ by dainese or Alpi)
And finally, on the global performance of the system and the continuous updates (In&motion seems to have a big head start... as track and off road mode and the emergency call are already available in Europe).
Hope this will help you to draw your own comparison board.
It's bullshit anyway, 800 to protect something you don't hit anyway.
i always wanted a subscribtion.. ehh.. jacket.. NOOOOOOOT :P
What's next, subscription fees on jackets, gloves and helmets? "Your leather jacket will no longer zip in 30 days if your subscription is not paid, please place a credit card on file!" LoL
So basically this is approx. a $840 dollar vest, $140 more than the Dainese. What am I getting for that price difference? Does this one deploy in a crash when I'm not moving (red light scenario)? How bout neck protection, which the Dainese doesn't really have?
Supertone you get that bulky back piece and a subscription
The Dainese Smart Jacket doesn't have neck protection.
Supertone The dainese will deploy if a car rear ends you as it detects the vibrations of the engine. It won’t protect you when stationary if you are driving an electric bike.
Good question:
- Wider area of protection: czcams.com/video/DPvtU1Ay8jM/video.html
- Replacable inflator after inflation: $100
- Integrated certified back protector
- Much lighter product
- Multi-mode detection: Street, Track,.... (available this Fall in US)
How reliable is it? Can you rely on the technology over the mechanics of the corded airbags?
I wonder if the subscription model is a money grab or if they sell the unit at a loss/small margin and then make up the rest through subscription fees. Either way, I wouldn't want to be paying a subscription fee to have a piece of protective equipment work properly.
Need to save this for April 1. This is total BS
My concern with a tethered vs this is a non-moving incident. Although having to rely on electronics and an app is also a concern. Apps are a convenience, but can also cause frustration with phone OS updates and compatibly. I'm an Android user so knowing developers have to write code for multiple devices what measures are being taken by the manufacturer to ensure compatibly in the future? I have an IOS device too so I'm not 100% biased. I know technology changes but being an early adopter of a safety device without many reviews is a concern.
Good protection but do you have one like an air neck bag for the head guard .
Video published April 21st. 20 days late... April Fools! Ummm, no thank you.
In& motion is trying hard to justify to subscription and cost by replying to every negative comments which is all of them😂. Klim and in& motion shot themselves in the foot on this one!!
Not only Klim..Held and Ixon to.
I would love to see this products sales lmao
I wonder if they'll start selling subscription based brakes soon...
I like the collar bone protection but I will keep my Smart Jacket thank you
The subscription doesn’t make sense. Will the vest still work if the app subscription expires? Why a subscription in the first place? The vest was mildly interesting at best, but that subscription is a dealbreaker.
Exactly, I don’t think it will.
What happened to duty of care? Seems like a risky move in terms of civil liability to deliberately disable a safety device.
If you don't like the monthly or yearly memberships, you can choose the Regular plan ($399) paid once and still get all the updates for free.
I was interested until the discussion about subscriptions. Geez. I have over 100k miles on my Hit Air vest, deployed 3xs. It's paid for and works well. No thanks Klim.
Updates? Did they release the product before the software is complete?
No, all airbag systems run occasional firmware updates as the systems are constantly learning and improving. The same can be said for most technology out on the market today, like smartphones. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact our Gear Geeks at 877.792.9455 or cs@revzilla.com. - Pat
In&motion... Do you see coming out with firmware updates that allow for off-road drops? On tarmac is great, but if I go on an adventure tour, I may want a solution which allows for drops on rocky, gravel, ruts or sand. Please advise.
It's unlikely. Since the crashes are so unique and the system wouldn't be able to tell a severe crash from a light tip over and decide when to deploy/not deploy, that technology just isn't there yet. Most manufacturers say their system is OK for fire roads etc, but then heavily caution that by saying very light fire roads not true off-road riding. A crash on the street also usually ends your day of riding whereas a crash off-road usually starts your day of riding so if the units deploys right out of the gate on a very light tip over in a rock garden or sand patch, it would just be added weight without protection the rest of the ride. The future will likely hold something, but that is why most if not all off road riders just trust armor for multiple impacts and larger coverage areas. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our Gear Geeks at cs@revzilla.com or 877.792.9455. Ride safe, -Pat
They added on riding type packages... I wish I was joking, but it's an additional fee.
Do you have to or is it recommended to use an additional chest protector like the Alpinestars Nucleon with the Ai-1?
There is no formal recommendation for a chest protector since (upon inflation) the chest has protection/coverage from impacts. Same can be said for the Alpinestars and Dainese units of similar designs.
When I have very tight sport leather jacket does it mean when vest deploys the level of protection will be limited? Does it require a different size jacket to go with this vest?
Great question.
With all of the new air vests we are seeing it is recommended you have just a hair more slack in your jacket than typical so they can properly expand. If your current jacket is suck-it-in-as-you-zip-it-up tight, then you might want something that is a bit looser to ensure full deployment.
I hope that helps!
-Zack
Ok about the subscription.
Once i paid the subscription for 3 years and reached the price of the brain of the unit can i stop paying for the subscription and own the jacket and it will still work as it should?
Or do i have to keep paying for the subscriptions in order to get protection.
And will this detect if i was at a red light and got rear ended?
The subscription continues after the 3 year period, we just used that as a cost analogy to help customers understand what Klim was offering with IN&Motion. Continuing to pay that subscription though means that you are eligible for upgrades to the next model of IN&Box if one comes out, whereas if you buy it outright that would be yours and an upgrade would come at a later time. All of the details can be found on IN&Motion's website for exactly what each version holds. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our Gear Geeks at cs@revzilla.com or 877.792.9455. Ride Safe, -Pat
@@RevZilla will this deploy in a rear end crash?
First of all I rock Klim in summer and fall. I love the Klim apparel anf believe in the comfort and protection. I like this vest but the subscription cost on top of the purchase price is a little steep.That being said I will purchase future Klim products but not the vest, at least for now.
Then the Regular plan (buy) is for you. For $798 you get the full set - Klim's vest and In&box - including updates.
I don't understand what the hang up is. You have 2 options:
1) Buy the vest and then pay the one time service fee and own the electronics. You get all the updates and a 2 year warranty on the electronics.
or
2) Buy the vest and pay the subscription for the electronics. You get the updates and a new electronics unit every 3 years. They even let you suspend the subscription during months when you won't be riding such as during the winter.
People pay subscriptions on the SPOT tracker. Heck your cell phone is near useless without paying a monthly fee to your carrier.... thus a subscription fee. Most would consider that both of these are safety devices.
My question is what happens when I fly with it, or another air bag? Do I have to remove a $100 CO2/Argon cylinder every time?
No, it has a flight mode.
You guys are awesome, this vest....not so much
Nah, I'll go with Alpinestar techair.
I'm looking for an airbag vest now. I love the Alpinestar tech 5 for it's shoulder protection but the $300 per pop of use, that you have to send in to have done, and it doesn't do anything to keep your helmet from bouncing around, avoiding neck damage, is why I'm not buying it.
United States is not on the country list for billing address making it impossible to register....
Zucc's cousin looking quite happy with that vest on
I think I'm planning to get this for my electric unicycle. The tethered ones work better but the unicycle isn't heavy enough for that and may travel with me in a crash.
just out of interest why do the tethered ones work better? If you low side a bike and stay connected the tethered airbag won't go off. This one will detect the change in angle/movement/speed etc and deploy the bag.
klim is a great brand but in&motion have another airbag for less and no subscription...
I wish you would have specified some of the things in their site! Such as the type of crashes that detects and the fact that you can put it in TRACK mode! Not like the latest A stars that it was suggested to road only.
Unfortunately, until In&Motion partners up with a company that makes track suits available here in the US, there is no option to put it into track mode for US owners, which is why it wasn't mentioned in the review. So until they advance more in the US as a company that will not be an option just yet. Hopefully in the future. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our Gear Geeks at 877.792.9455 or cs@revzilla.com as they can provide immediate assistance/answers. Ride safe - Pat
RevZilla makes sense... thanks for clarification
Not getting all the negatives about the subscription. You pay monthly for your netflix, Spotify, and your phone etc. On top of that, your riding a $25,000.00 plus bike. $12.00 a month, if you go with that plan, doesn't seem unreasonable. Whats your safety worth??
They all got it wrong & didn't bother to check their website, they think that they will have to pay $12 a month even after buying the airbag vest😂
Helite does it better for cheaper price & no subscription fee
Subscription fee? What a scam!
I am confused why everyone is mad about the subscription system. By my math even if you buy the vest outright you would be paying about $800. This is reasonably close to prices of comparable products from other top companies like Alpinestars and Helite. Basically, it seems like they are doing a sort of payment plan option, rather than forcing you to drop the 800 all at once. Is this correct or am I missing something?
Your 100 % right ... over a three year period 33.00 more per year then the competition for 3 years & allows those to purchase at a reasonable price it's a very good finance rate it's all how u look at it ... & it's always updating ... ( however if what I'm reading is true that it could possibly not deploy without a gps signal ... ( then keep it with your 100.00 dollar ( member fee , )
Not throwing Rev under the bus for this product but having to pay additional fee to insure protection is silly. I will stick to my hit-air vest which I wish I had on during my last year accident.
This airbag can used in motocross or only road?
This system is only designed for on-road use. There are no systems currently fit for motocross use on the market.
-Zack
Do they make them in a male and female version, looks like most of these are geared towards men. If i wanted to get one for me and my wife do they make a ladies version?
No, Klim designed this vest to be unisex throughout the size range and as far as we are aware, they don't plan on changing to a Male/Female version in the future. If you have any other additional questions, please feel free to reach out to our Gear Geeks at 877.792.9455 or cs@revzilla.com and they can walk you through some options! - Pat
yeah.... nah
If it’s a 800 dollar vest marked lower, they basically just allowed you to do financing. Which for some might be nice Idk
This lends credence to what I read on Telegram and on Vice's website. I wish I could post a link here, but CZcams censors links. I'm putting it like that, because I found it hard to believe when I read it on Telegram.
A subscription? For an airbag vest? C'mon. ENOUGH!
You can also choose the buy option, no subscription.
If you miss a payment does it not deploy?
We let several weeks with notifications and emails before disabeling the protection. The protection is never disabled while riding.
You don’t have to pay subcription with Dainese D-Air Smart Jackets, and you still get all the updates for free by simply plug in it to your pc via USB cable.
“Unfortunately” I had a crash, where (fortunately) I was wearing my Dainese Smart Jacket, and it worked as it had to, and on the following week, I reordered another Smart Jacket (Dainese can also be “repaired,” but having in mind that we are talking about safety, I don’t want to take the chance of finding out whether the airbag was properly replaced or not in case of an event.
My recommendation is that everyone should have an airbag vest / jacket if you can afford it, but Klims subscription need is really a total deal breaker. No one would appreciate that in the case of an event, the airbag would not work because any monthly payment issue, besides… riding a bike should be something to enjoy, not another expense or check mark to have in mind when getting ready to go out on the streets.
Investing in safety is really important, but the subscription scheme is way too funny. Its almost painful how Spurge try to convince us. I'm sure there are other options out there.
We are offering various purchasing plans: to buy (Regular) or to rent (Revolution) but updates are included in both plans.
Huh? a subscription and an app? We all know how dependable apps are, they never fail.
Good video presentation, but I down voted the video as a way of showing my disapproval for the subscription system for a piece of gear that I bought.
Thumbs up for the video only. Subscription for safety, are you kidding?
Since when did airbags come with a monthly subscription 😂
Since September 2018 ! To propose various ways to buy ($798) or rent the system ($399 + $12/month).
In&motion Ide rather not have a monthly subscription on something that is going to end up saving my life. Sticking with the basics sometimes is more effective
@@Dswade808 Yes, that's why you also can "just" buy it (Regular plan at $399) and get the udpates by wifi or In&motion app.
I don't get it how they want to sell it :D comparing it to Astars :D GL
And Dainese.
You can buy or rent the system: we let the choice to the user but in any case, updates are included.
My apologies, I should have read the EULA before commenting and will have to completely reverse my opinion. Depending on your payment method, you must connect your device to their network for updates at least once a month (subscription), or once a year (purchase outright). Failure to do so will result in their deactivation of the device without warning or reason. If you were to cancel for any reason, In&Motion expects you to mail your module back to them, being that you are only purchasing a "license" to use their product. So you pay $400 up front (regardless of who you buy it from), but the moment you actually register the device with In&Motion (which is mandatory for it to work); you sign away your property rights, it now belongs to them. My guess is, once they upload their software on this vest module, they take ownership of that module to prevent anyone from extracting the encryption/hash that allows someone to connect back to their server. However, this would be the equivalent of buying a mobile phone, but the moment that you activate it and receive your first software update, that device now belongs to Samsung.
I guess people would prefer to pay for music and television then something that can potentially save their lives. I too am not a huge fan of subscription models but with the lower cost to entry and updating firmware (not that one should have to pay for that) I'm okay. In fact I ordered one from Klim, just waiting for delivery. Knowing these types of devices are now readily available I simply cannot imagine getting on a bike without it.
I use a backrest will this affect that?
No, it shouldn't. In the event of an accident, you'd be away from the backrest when the airbag deploys. Although you would want to make sure you aren't leaning on the on/off button on the airbag while riding.
@@RevZilla I mean while I am riding, will the mechanics of the vest be up against the backrest?
Greedy price gouging. This product with consumers will have a short lifespan.
I like the idea of the constantly updated vest....
A subscription for safety gear?? No thanks
What if you forgot to pay?
Is it possible to wash any of these airbag vests ?
Yes, each unit will come with care instructions in the box from each brand as to how you should best wash their garment. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact our Gear Geeks at 877.792.9455 or cs@revzilla.com. - Pat
so v1.0 isn't as safe as v1.1? What's going on with the subscriptions? lol
I think it is fascinating and we are lucky to have such options. Nobody is forcing you to pay the subscription...Choose the purchase plan.....price is comparable to others. If you don't like the technology type, get the leash. Both RevZilla and Klim are for profit companies......choose to do business with them or not. I never understand the hate.
But you don't charge extra for the updates (part of the updates are bugs from the developer side), it not how software works, this is a really weird tactic to down the initial price tag. If you tell me that part of the subscription includes a refresh service for the vest or some kind of insurance we will have a different conversation.
According to IN&Motion, part of the subscription service is replacing the little brain module in the back if a new addition comes out. So you would be getting new hardware as part of the deal, not just the firmware updates. If you have any other additional questions, please feel free to reach out to our Gear Geeks at 877.792.9455 or cs@revzilla.com and they can walk you through some options! - Pat
I'd expect trashy scams from lil shit companies like inmotion but not from Klim who used to be respectable company smh
You can at least check a mechanical vest visually rather than trust software. I can pulled the cord to test it.
In Motion's document "Detection Cases" says It requires a GPS signal in order for the airbag to deploy, to the point where In&Motion says that airbag deployment is "not guaranteed" if there is no GPS signal, or a poor GPS signal. So, if you are riding the Blue Ridge Parkway and can't get a signal, you may be SOL for a deployment.
us.inemotion.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019_03_31-Detection-cases-EN.pdf
That has to be the absolute worst pricing plan I can think of, not to mention the need for firmware upgrades. What if you don't get the subscription plan and the vest fails to deploy and you get the "You didn't have the latest firmware update." My vest doesn't require a phone, a subscription, bluetooth, wifi or a battery charge. I don't even think an auto airbag is this complicated. Klim, needs to drop this idea or get another manufacturer on board. It's absolutely horrible pricing plan and I can imagine the marketing genius that pitched this plan should be tarred and feathered.
Reminds me of Sony when they locked up the beta format. And then it did not last long when VHS came out. Looks like they probably won't be selling many of these vest. Why not just say the best is $800 and something approaching $1,000
Most people talking shit have no idea how the payment / subscription works (which options there are, you can buy it outright vor 400,-$) and also this is far cheaper and easier to reactivate then Alpinestar or Dainese
Whoever runs in&motions marketing is going to be out of a job lol. How on earth did you think you could convince people they need to pay extra for updates let alone a subscription. Include it in the overall total cost!
Granted, this could be the best airbag system on the market, but if the business case for it is handicapped because of pricing, then maybe you should continue to develop the product rather than subject it to a sales failure and destroy brand equity.
And I can’t believe revzilla had the audacity to actually hawk this with a straight-face. These product reviews have become nothing more than PR videos. At least when Anthony was around he would tell you if he thought the manufacturer got something wrong or give constructive feedback on what they could do to improve it for the future.
Agreed. This isn't a "review", it's a straight out product pitch. I also have the impression that Anthony called out issues and gave a semblance of some balance. With Spurgeon this has all but gone, and I think it really undermines what the Revzilla brand was about.
Guys, you have the choice between buy or rent. If you don't like the lease plan then buy it !
“You didn’t pay up this month John, looks like you’re going to die.”
Ridiculous pricing aside. I might not be the only one where an app or subscription had an error or wasn't working.
So if something goes wrong with the payment or on their end in the database you could go off your bike and end up with something that does nothing.
This is absolutely insane.
Sadly enough, klim has this name that sells people on the most ridiculous stuff. Fe they got away with bring your own baselayer as a positive thing. Wth.
RevZilla should not be selling this imo as it can be really dangerous to the user.
If you can choose the Buy plan (Regular), you pay once $399 and then you are protected with an airbag system that is getting better every 4 months
This isnt a Klim thing, it appears to be really most un-tethered airbags.
No way I'd ever float this. Subscription service for safety equipment is an extremely bad idea, especially when I'm an adventure rider in the trees no where near wifi and have to wonder if I updated my firmware and paid subscription. Extremely disappointed in Klim, they should know better. This is clearly a bean-counter exercise, not vetted by real riders.
You can choose the Regular plan (buy the In&box) and get the updates as well as with the Revolution plan (rent the In&box). Updates are available also through the In&motion smartphone app. We release an update every 3 months in average so it's 4 times a year.
In&motion how about no. My Bmw dealer asked me to wait for this vest to come out before I purchased a helite and you know what
This is a scam. We are already subscribed to death with a bunch of other digital platforms. So you’re asking the consumer to pay every month to get firmware updates. Or pay for another $400 and then not get the updates. You guys are crooks! No thanks I will buy a helite. Whoever thought of the subscription model for a safety product that our life depends on is a moron. Y’all can shove it where the sun don’t shine.
@@vladimiran5655 Updates are avalibale for all customers, you will be able to update your airbag if you choose the "classic" deal (without yearly or mounthly fees).
The fact that 272 out of 272 comments are railing the shit out of this goofy ass thing says it all. Subscription, updates? WTF
Spidi Air Dps? €600, no sub, has neck protection and back piece as well.
This one a no-go for sure.
Firmware/software? What can go wrong? I'm pretty sure you can find in the fine prints that loophole why they won't pay after it couldn't deploy due to software issues.
Wow you can get a better deal from scammers in India
While Revzilla made a very informative, and well put together video, I don't think that a subscription based safety device is that good of an idea
Thanks for the great review and the information as always.
Safety gear purchase, as with just about anything, is an emotional one as much as a logical one. You want to be around for your family, stay around to enjoy life etc etc. This subscription may logically make sense but it *feels* wrong. I would rather get the Dainese one.
For context, I have the Hit Air street vest both race and street Alpinestars vests, and the Dainese Misano jacket. I was looking at this Klim one and the Dainese one for their ease of use.
Also people need to learn to like the video for what it is and not dislike it because of the product IN the review.
If you want to be around for your family I can think of many places, like here in nj, where its probably better to just not ride. Haha
We are offering various purchasing plans: to buy (Regular) or to rent but updates are included in both plans.
Is that even legal?
good until i heard subscription- not happening
Complete rip off with the subscription and seriously $100 for air??? Competition is at $25 no thank you
The big question is, are any of these affordable? Like, $800 dollars, that's insane.
How much does a trip to ER cost in US? I don't know, I payed $800 for my airbag instead and I only need to pay $20-30 more to use it again.
Do you have an $800 neck?
Safety gear is expensive.
The helite vest seems like the way to go.
@@magicoddeffect vests like the dainese aint gonna save your neck with the way its designed
The fact that a poor gps signal can render the airbag ineffective is a showstopper for me.
I feel like Revzilla had to buy these in order to have access to some other products but c'mon they're not Alpinestar or Dainese. Ditch those price gougers at Klim