Ferrari 499P LMH Hypercar - CLOSER LOOK
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- Let's have a closer look at the Ferrari 499P LMH project.
Why does Ferrari join WEC now?
How did Ferrari modify the engine to be suitable?
How does the aerodynamics work?
Let me know how you like the 499P in the comments below!
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Looks like a Le Mans winner to me. 😉 Enjoyed the break down on this 499 and the 963. 👍🏼
So they are now in both F1 and LMH, but they save money compared to what they used to spend 🤔 that is pretty impressive, it just goes to show that keeping costs under control is a good thing for diversity in the top classes. Also its good that they found a way to prevent having to fire a ton of employes.
Its crazy that Porsche, Toyota, and Audi were spending more in WEC than half of the F1 teams were. Unsustainable costs killed Group C racing and it killed LMP1 in WEC after Dieselgate.
Everybody's talking about the 145m$ costcap in f1, but in reality it's WAY more expensive than that.
There's plenty of things outside the costcap, including senior management and driver salaries.
@@hr_pedersen1439 okay...but the cost cap did reduce the expense significantly......
Else it would be whatever insane price on the car + salaries and what not.
Now it's costcap + maybe slightly higher salaries and stuff.
Still cheaper...
@@officialhideyo oh absolutely, it's way cheaper.
But it's still nowhere near just the 145mil.
Merc, RB and ferarri still have budgets double or more of the teams "hitting the costcap", like Williams, Haas and Sauber.
Don't get me wrong, it's gonna become way more equal in the future, especially if Williams and Haas get deals along the line off VW group's Audi entry with Sauber.
No is not, keep costs is shi...t for the sport!!
Ferrari has been successful in the LMGTE class for the past few years. I always hoped Ferrari would go for the LMP class and return to top sports car racing again. Looks like F1 budget cap is a blessing in disguise for us car racing fans.
They just win the championship GT Pro now... 2022
@@asherjoseph4377 what a great back to back victories for the team!
@@manwell235tell that to Ferrari F1... 😭
This car is a great example of how different F1 engineers and prototype engineers think
Prototype engineers are like: Yeeee speed and power, downforce is good but speed and power is better.
F1 engineers be like: Ye speed and power is good, but downforce and corner speed are better.
F1 engineers: downforce is God's magic
Prototype engineers: downforce is for pussies
Prototype and F1 engineers: DF is king and so is tires.
@@Artiick people gotta stop saying "go brrrr". the way you used it doesn't even make sense with how it started.
@@jackvv757 still the prototypes have plenty downforce, but i guess less than lmp1 back in the days or lmp900
as always, great analysis. this car looks mighty fast. i like what they’ve done with their livery also with a touch of yellow. interesting they do not regulate corner downforce
Ferrari is completely dancing around the rules hear.
Yet, there's BoP to make all cars equally quick
This was recommended to me again after they won at Le Mans, FORZA FERRARI❤
I'm not the biggest fan of the cost cap in F1, but if its flow on effects are more Motorsports categories get more racing teams, thats awesome and I love the F1 design style rules for the LMH
*1 category gets 1 more team.
Unfortunately Aston, McLaren, merc and red bull are all doing non racing spending.
A fan doesn't even know their sport has a cost cap
I'm actually surprised people still watch Formula 1. It's been a sht show for pure entertainment these recent years, hardly a Motorsport anymore. Lmao.
@@aaronwestley3239 I can two reasons length an accessibility. It’s easier to watch a live 2 hour race that catch parts of a 6 or 24 hour race. DTS love it or hate it gets f1 in front of people who aren’t into Motorsport already. With out an equivalent the only people who are going to watch wec are Motorsport die hards.
The reason why F1 is boring is because you have a very good chance at guessing the champion before the season even begins.
The reason why NFL is exciting is because any team, in any given year, can compete for the trophy, since teams have salary caps. Expenses caps should be more widely introduced.
I was born in Le Mans, go there every year now for the race, the combination of F1 cost cap and LMH/LMDH regulation is a treat and I hope more manufacturer come !
I am sure more will join because the rules are standardised now between WEC and IMSA
Very excited to see Ferrari back at Le Mans and in both F1 and WEC.I think Enzo would be proud,I know I am.
They did
This seems like a greatly detailed car. hope ferrari is more successful here than they were in f1, and im not even a ferrari fan!
Than they are, they were super successful.
Great analysis! Wonder if they'll bring the whole play book over and use F-Ducts, DAS, heave springs to lower cars to skirt around the Drag/Downforce ratio.
That is what I was thinking why not use all the tricks of the trade
@@User-dd2xv Because there is a rulebook that prevent it
Banned, banned and banned. Apart from that: it’s a BoP class!
@@ReXzz Dang. BoP wouldn't matter as much, since they were all sandbagging for Le Mans in prior years anyways.
The LMH rule is probably the most relaxed rule in motorsports currently the only problem is BoP
I believe they are doing yaw, rake and ride height sweeps for the wind tunnel tests for LMDH/LMH as that’s how the stability rules are setup. Iirc the car has to have a certain minimum downforce at a certain angle sideways at a certain speed.
This aged well! Thanks for this detailed look!
Thanks! You are welcome!
Great story, worth telling it and well told, especially in the light of Ferrari‘s triumph in Le Mans. Congratulations for predicting, amazing!
Well so much for "Low Expectation"
5:40 - it also reduces inertia, and probably provides a slightly better weight balance.
This car is a work of art. Thanks for the video!
WEC has always been fascinating and from an aero point of view, sort of makes more sense than F1 for road applications (except of course that so many folks want to drive around in unaerodynamic mum trucks).
@B Sport : the items that caught my eye were the carefully shaped "two front diffusers" on each side of the front wheels with one of the two aimed to direct air onto the flanks of the car. Can you explain these in more detail please (yes, to fill negative pressure areas...and...).
Thank you for another informative video with the additional manufacterer competition costs insights.
Glad it was helpful!
I always learn so much when B Sport takes the time to analyze every facet of the effort. I love to see what subtle tricks emerge in aerodynamics, and it seems Ferrari has cleverly adhered to the rules in the wind tunnel but the numbers increase a bit in the corners. Can’t wait for Sebring.
truly an exciting time for endurance racing, way more manufacturers, no toxic football fans wannabe, no street circuits, truly a racing series in its pure form.
BuT Le MaNs iS oN a PuBLiC RoAD well yeah should i call nordschleife a fucking street circuit as well? because last time i checked, it is also a public road, a one-way public road that is. it's obvious what i mean is those half-assed claustrophobic street circuits with no soul like jeddah, miami, baku and soon vegas where they only put concrete walls on either side and call it a day.
Well, IMSA has some street circuits, but not like FE or F1, but true old american street circuit style
The biggest one is a street circuit: Le Mans😉
Le Mans is literally a public roadway ….
@@gavcom4060 i'm talking about street circuits like jeddah or miami dumbass.
@@gavcom4060 I guess he's talking about hastily built recent street circuits with only F1 in mind.
They don't just spend $145m in F1. There are costs associated with F1 that are not included in the budget cap. But you are right that costs have gone down significantly.
Correct, but it would be a separate video only to explain the whole F1 cost structure, so I simplified this here, so viewers get the general idea.
@@BSport320 Anyway, great content! Thanks man.
@@BSport320 Would be an interesting video
logistics side
The real trick has been how Mercedes F1 magically solved their purpoising problem by forcing FIA to change the rules this year ...😉
So Ferrari is putting f1 technology into other type racing. And getting great advantage
Ferrari going with a 120 degree V and flipping the heads is a genius move. Probably makes it easier to collect air for the intakes as well, at least in my mind that just makes sense, brilliant!
Just pray they figure out the strategy
@@borisyurinov4822 Ferrari in WEC is ran by AF Corse, not by Ferrari itself, this year they also won a constructor championship
@@St4ckie nice. Hope leclerc wins this year. Max is annoying
@@borisyurinov4822 yeahh that ain't happening
@@sympathiser_of_Germans_in_40s sad , but true. Ferrari last WC 2007... Top 3 I guess ain't that bad.
They haven't won a le mans since 1965, It will be an incredible achievement if they can come back an win it again with the 499P
They won many Le Mans in GT class but not the overall since 1965
😁hello from june 11
And so they have. An exceptional 100th anniversary LeMans.
as far as Im aware Ferrari also used the sauber windtunnel for a large bulk of the development as homologation would be done there
probably because the F1 team & Haas already use the ferrari one
I’m not surprise if Ferrari won in this category on both aero and engine department. But I still think that reliability will be their main issue as simulating a 24Hrs race is not an easy feat. Data from their GTE class might be a help.
(Edit) I can't believe that they won LeMans on first try after like 50-years of hiatus.
"Low expectations in the first year ". Wins Le Mans 😊
So glad they are back at Le Mans as well as others, but long time Ferrari Fan, this is a sexy beast.
Terrific video. Thanks for covering this.
This car is so beautiful, it almost makes me cry. After watching I now know it's design is also very smart!
The future of IMSA and the WEC looks really bright
Love the tech analisys and details explained in your videos, great content !!
Brilliant insights and review for this new car. They posted the top time in Qualifying with a brand new car and the least amount of testing for this class. The race has happened today but I didn't get to watch it yet. Thank you for the video sharing your insights to the aero design and divetrain components.
So much detail and very well explained! Thank you.
That aged like fine wine.
Very interesting, great point about the cost cap, never thought of that
Yea, and they still use less money now than what they used to in F1, its like a two for the the price of one special kind of deal
A bit like what lotus did to get around the testing regulations
They made the decision to do this before F1 had introduced the budget cap and say it was not part of the consideration. However it does play a role as they now can run in both series, have a lot more publicity and still spend a lot less money than before
The real trick has been how Mercedes F1 magically solved their purpoising problem by forcing FIA to change the rules this year ...😉
Thank you for the information. Very clear and concise!
And today Ferrari won 🏆
probably my most awaited video from you! thanks so much for the insightful analysis
Glad you liked it!
I am not a blind Ferrari fan and I am not sure if this car will be fast on track, but somehow they always end up with something so beautiful to the eye...
Exciting new racing to look forward to,,,our Italian friends are cheering.
Fantastic jam-packed LMH analysis in 13 min...May I say, Credit to you for pushing out such good motorsport content so frequently. When do you rest? 😉
Always liked consulting in Germany and Holland, straight to the point, no small talk...until evening time over beer👍
Erfolg und viel Glück im Jahr 2023
Thanks!
Excellent work again!
12:14 The cutouts in the ednplates are used to reduce form drag rather than increase expansion because expansion causes drag which is why they prefer for any expansion to happen behind the car rather than on the car
I am glad Ferrari are being realistic in what they expect 2023 to bring in their first year as an Factory Team returning to the WSC after 50 years away from the top flight and challenging the like of Porsche and other teams with much more experience in this type of racing.
It is not just about the car that looks like a very good car from Ferrari but endurance racing can be a cruel format no one forgets Toyota's tragic lost at Le Mans on the last laps after 24hrs , so much more can go wrong in these long races .
yes they have put the cars in the hands of a very good team but now at a much higher level than before.
I would imagine there will be some rivals challenges to some of those Aero parts on the Ferrari or maybe by both Governing bodies in their respective Countries .
of course they are only showing us a car with what they want us to see no team wants to give their revels to many of their secrets away.
But it is looking like Hyper cars and endurance could be the sport to watch next year over F1 hopefully a new golden age of Endurance racing is here .
YAS ! was waiting for this.
Thank you !
Beautiful sports prototype
I can't wait to see the Doug Score on this one.
This video makes the 499P look dominant. Nice to see though that even with money you can't only spend to win, you need world-class engineers. Let's hope the competitors (Peugeot!) can keep up with it
Nice video. I've never watched WEC but the new rules have got me interested. Can't wait to see such a diverse field of aesthetically pleasing cars racing each other.
Another brilliant, succinct analysis of aerodynamics and layout of a race car coupled with an excellent economic impact analysis of the motorsport industry. Learning so much about aerodynamics from these observations. The observation regarding gurney fins really made me think about the ability to corner at high speeds and the importance to reattach air flow. Also engine insights on angle and structural considerations excellent. Interesting that Ferrari have been conservative strategically in engine development, i.e. using existing 296. Maybe a sign of electrification being the future. Cooling for the hybrid system would be an interesting future insight. Really need to get onto one of your courses. Missed the last deal on F1 aerodynamics. Again, excellent succinct insight. Please keep it coming...
Glad you enjoyed it!
What I am really afraid is considering how much creative freedom the LMH car have compared to LMDh the performance difference will be great as well it its raw format. and usually BoP favour the slower car which mean the LMDh.
the performance restrictions are still the same i understand it. the reason why peugeot could build the car they did for example is because the amount of total downforce these cars are allowed to generate is quite low, so while there's a lot of freedom this doesn't really increase the speed in any meaningful way
What a beautiful automobile, a masterpiece, Scuderia Ferrari. 👍❤️🏁🇮🇹
AMAZING INSIGHT!
Quality analysis as always
Wow..... technology overload! I'll be heading to Sebring to check out this car and the Peugeot
Impressive car, impressive video
If it goes as fast as it looks, wowwwww
The current 2022 Ferrari F1 vibes. Too bad chews the tires.
@@gerogyzurkov2259 tbf the car was really good before the TD was introduced
Not as fast as F1 but WEC and IMSA are trying to be more affordable to attract manufacturers. That and unlike F1 they cant just be quick for 1 hour, they have to be quick for 4 to 24 hours depending on the race, so race pace is sacrificed for endurance.
@@Thedutchman12 What is TD?
@@gerogyzurkov2259 technical directive
great work and video. THX
Glad you liked it!
Excellent video ... thanks! 👍
Glad you liked it!
I believe the strakes are for stability, and they gonna make thw downforce using ground effect. They also gonna use air to air for efficiency. Air to water is additional weight and an extra fail point.
Also its crazy that enzo once said " aerodynamic are for people who cant build engines" yet ferrari lead aerodynamics on modern cars nowadays
They and all the F1 manufacturers use both air to air and air to water for compound cooling of the air charge, this guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 why would you need compound cooling if one system is more efficient than the other? Endurance cars use air to air because unlike f1 the racea arent 2 hours long. Endurance races are 6+.
@@km6832 you claim air to air is more efficient yet all the f1 manufacturers use air to water as well. Because you are so much smarter than them. Do you have any understanding of highly turbocharged engines? I don't think so.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 you responding just because you can. Look in the engine bay of any endurance race car and tell me if you air to water intercoolers. Maybe 2 percent if any at all. Im not longer speaking bout f1 the whole world knows f1 uses air to water. Because their races are significantly shorter than endurance races in the wec. Which is why every wec car uses air to air. Because the efficiency gains with air to water arent worth the power trade off with bop and added weight..please learn to read and comprehend
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 additionally. There is a reason all drag cars use air to water. Guess why, they need to be efficient for 10 seconds or less. Not 10 hours
Le Mans 2023 will be a great one with two of these cars
holy fuck. Farrari can have teams in F1, LMH, and LMDh, and save money verses pre 2021 F1 or LMP1 alone.
Subscribed. As a business minded incisional, Engineering is so hard for to grasp(especially engines).
Great, welcome!
50 years ago, try the mid 90's. Ferrari 333 SP raced at Le Mans, it just sucked. Great sound though. Ooh, little fins, like on the McLaren Can-Am or BMW CSL's from actual 50+ years ago. Yeah, those F1 guys are really cutting edge. Lastly, Gurney flaps, named after Dan Gurney from the late 60's.
Ferrari as a factory never raced the 333sp
Awesome explanation!!
Glad it was helpful!
excellent job. thanks
I had no idea LMP1 was that expensive. Honestly, I don't understand the point in pouring so much money in prototypes. I'd be happy to see a return of something like the GT1 class of cars. They just need to be noticeably quicker than GT3, not trying to knock on F1 lap times.
Since all spending on racing is essentially advertising and public relations, Ferrari now will be able to reach tens of millions of new potential customers/admirers in the WEC.
Someone knows what he's talking about! Thanks man! Great job! Racing Grüsse
pretty excited to see it race
Great insight, thanks, first two rounds went okay, Spa, and LeMans will be the test
extremely factual report, great
This could be seen as a loophole or grey zone but it's very smart in doing this. Creating a new team in a different series but still spending less or equal amount of money as they would do if the cost cap didn't existed.
Ferdinando Cannizzo, head of design and development at Ferrari's Attivita Sportive GT sportscar racing department said that the LMH and GT3 engine aren't the same. It's a different engine but both of them are 120° V6
Im pretty sure he said they are different because this one also acts as a stressed member of the frame. Other than that i dont think they are completely different engines. It makes no sense to make a completely different v6 from the ground up when you already have one
Great video
Thanks!
ayyyy, blown diffusers in lmh. These are all classic f1 tricks.
I'm really excited about the paradigm shift from legality boxes to actually measure the aerodynamic performance. But I guess this is not possible in F1, as teams tend to bring a lot of updates and sometimes even run different parts on their two cars in the race, so you'd have to measure/homologate every combination of parts, which is impossible - unless they limit bringing new parts to three or so times per season.
Build a mobile wind tunnel. Problem solved!
F1 should never incorporate a BoP. It‘s a constructors series and the pinnacle of motorsport hence the best manufacturer wins.
@@lucabe3273- ya the problem is when the costs get so high you only have one or two competitive teams, it’s not going to be as fun to watch. BOP can help to even the playing field. It’s either that or all the strict cost caps and wind tunnel caps etc that they are doing now. Otherwise it’s just going to be pay to win (not interesting when you know the winner of every race ahead of time).
The new LMH season would be interesting
Would be, if?😂
Also it’s WEC, not just LMH
i hope they can win some sympathy back with that program
video 5 0f 5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Very informative ty
Thanks for watching!
wird sicher geil die neue saison also ich freue mich sehr! danke für deine analyse
2 minutes in and I know this is gonna be a great video
Great posters good radio show
Superb insight
Glad you liked it
Anticipation is making wait.
I just really wish they didn’t have such tight power limits. It would have been nice to see Ferrari put a V12 into this.
When I look at the vertical winglets I don't see vortex generators. I mean sure secondarily and a couple of them certainly might primarily be vortex generators too, but that isn't the primary purpose for the vast majority of them. They're like a shark fin. The rules dictate what you can have regarding drag, what you can have regarding downforce. They don't consider teams creating lateral forces via vertical wings similar to how a shark fin would work. Ie free performance.
I say this because most of them (not all) are placed in areas a vortex would be useless. The rear wing being the perfect example but a great many places. But also because the size of them is so different to the boundary layer at that area (the size of a normal vortex generator). We can see that, for example, at the roof where the winglet goes far higher than the lower lip of the air intake - the latter being raised solely to avoid the boundary layer along the roof.
Apart from the one on the roof scoop, I think their main purpose is to act like a Gurney under yaw, like I explained in the video. As you rightly say, they don't make too much sense as vortex generators in these areas but also you cannot avoid vortices from them under yaw.
@@BSport320 their purpose is to provide stability so the car doesn’t flip in case it gets sideways. They are very strict on that and the numbers they need to get to are quite demanding. I am 99% sure this isn’t about creating vortexes at all, but solely about reaching said desired values. If you take another look at the Peugeot: it may not have a rear wing, but it has massive fins to cover as much surface area as possible when looking at it from the side!
Also you mentioned the exhaust system possibly having an influence on the cars aerodynamics at the rear, but it’s quite simple: the regulations simply do not permit exhaust systems that have an influence on aerodynamics!
@@BSport320 I think there might be a miscommunication somewhere. My understanding of a Gurney flap is a small protrusion at the kutta condition of an airfoil at the high pressure side intending to create a sharper exit angle for the airflow. What I'm seeing here is a number of protrusions nowhere near the kutta condition, generally where you don't want air to depart, and often on the high side. I'd also expect a Gurney flap to be very tiny wheres these aren't, often a foot tall.
Assuming you meant vortex generators as the video suggests, I'd mentioned why that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The locations are usually where you don't want vortexes - the rear wing high pressure region will have zero effect as the airflow is gone before it helps you whilst around the intake would provide turbulent air to the engine intake. The size is incredibly unusual, typically wanting to be a similar height to the boundary layer whilst most of these are giant in comparison. And the ones at the front whilst being in a reasonable location and almost good height are far too long - having multiple shorter vortex generators would produce a far stronger (and more controllable) vortex than we see here. To me it really looks like the vortexes are undesirable by the way its implemented.
@@ReXzz The argument of stability to prevent flipping (or spinning) doesn't make a ton of sense to me either. Granted thats a more viable idea, and the Peugeot demonstrates exactly what I'd suspect from such an intention, but the Ferrari is different. Having the fins at the rear creates stability just like an arrow. But having them forward of the center of gravity does the opposite - it produces instability and helps the car to spin. By placing multiple smaller fins at the very front along with giant fins around the center of gravity (which produce no stability or instability) it really suggests that they aren't focusing on the stability and are looking to maximise the fin area whilst balancing the center of pressure so it doesn't create understeer.
As for lateral flow, you'd need far less than Ferrari are using to detach the flow. Again, they're doing something more than simply preventing the car flipping. I think the Peugeot is a great example here. Its got an incredibly traditional shark fin style design. The shark fin is all about doing exactly what I suggested - creating a lateral force as the car yaws through a corner to increase cornering forces. Having three large shark fins is obviously trying to maximise that effect, it just seems like Ferrari have taken the same concept a few steps beyond the established design, rather than Peugeot just adding front downforce to compensate for the rear vertical fins.
As for the exhaust, I really just think there's a difference between the intent of the rules and what teams are going to do. F1 being a great example, multiple years manipulating the exhaust flow was banned. Multiple years they found a way until the exhaust rules became as ridiculous as they are today (and still the monkey seat found a way!). The rules being strict on exhaust flow explains why it isn't maximised in this situation, but the positioning and aero around the exhaust shows there absolutely is an intent and some effect here. Exactly like the Aston Martin Valkyrie from the man who took exhaust downforce the furthest yet. Indeed I don't think the rules intended a race for maximum sideslip aero either but that was obviously going to happen with downforce and drag limits. Teams will always just find a way to increase performance around the set rules.
The real trick has been how Mercedes F1 magically solved their purpoising problem by forcing FIA to change the rules this year ...😉
Looking fantastica!
Regarding down force and drag numbers, are they a unit of measurement (ie. kN) at a certain speed or is it the drag coefficient? Regarding these measurements, do they use static wind tunnel speeds such as 200kmh, or do they use a range of wind speeds?
To simplify things usually you set the frontal area at 1m2 and then look at the result. The result is then cd*A. Advantage is that you don't have to work out the frontal area of each car you are testing.
Teams usually test cars at different speeds that make sense in their experience, but they also don't want to have too many wind tunnel runs to save time and money. For the FIA I expect them to assess the cars at a range of different speeds.
Its interesting to see who gets thr permanent driver for its WEC challenge. I reckon Fisichella...Giovinazzi to name a few.
Fisichella hasn't done races in Pro classes for quite some while, I doubt he will be part of a Hypercar project then.
Hopefully we get this car in Gran Turismo 7 lmao
This video aged well
The car was beautiful at Sebring. Fast, also.....
also in Le Mans! 😁
Does it make sense to talk about aero in a BOP series that regulates the L/D ratio to be 5.2?
For a 6 cylinder engine, any multiple of 60 degrees will result in an even firing interval. The Vee angle chosen will simply affect the throw angle between big ends on the crankshaft. A straight 6 has a zero Vee angle and 120 degrees between crank throws. Porsche uses a 180 degree Vee angle (flat six), many road car engines use 60 degrees. It depends on engine bay packaging considerations. Eight cylinder engines use multiples of 90 degrees for good balance.
Absolutely genius
What car is making the noise for the first few seconds of the video?
A real beauty 🍷